From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 02:48:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m416mKma013187 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:48:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m416mFIb022071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:48:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m416lxSV063496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 00:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m416lwbG011818; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m416lvQX011794 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so866679pyc.4 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.44.16 with SMTP id w16mr3016380pyj.36.1209624477039; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f79sm1708847pyh.7.2008.04.30.23.47.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 01:50:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d508648-030f-433a-b13b-a16cf971c612 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481967AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 02:48:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:49:15 -0700 "Wanda Pease" writes: > Since my migraines are pressure triggered, I'm > pretty miserable even though I really love the green this produces > as well as the coolness! Not to glory in your pain, but I'm very relieved to hear this--the husband and I recently decided for sure NOT to move to WA (going to NH instead!) and we both get pressure/weather migraines. Sour grapes and all, but I'm glad to have one less reason not to regret our decision! -E PS--anyone have any suggestions for costume or museum related destinations in the northeast? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 03:37:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m417b9uF020731 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:37:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m417b3X8013432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m417ac5Z066880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 01:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417abgk043961; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417aaK2043939 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so463364rvb.11 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.191.14 with SMTP id o14mr709244rvf.247.1209627395943; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805010036t45d8aa75vb356844dacec116b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:36:35 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cef47f7-f60d-4287-8812-b7bc93216949 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4819731F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 03:37:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think a friend of mine just bought the Bernina equivalent, it has an extension arm of some kind and she can program it up via her PC to do al kinds of embroidery and quilting. I just after a new machine myself but just something basic. Sidney On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: > > I got the new Pfaff Creative Vision for Christmas last and I am loving it. > It has - I am told - the largest hoop of any home sewing machine. If > learning a new machine and software to go with it is an adventure to you I > highly recommend this machine. I'm also new to the machine embroidery > scene. Digitizing your own designs is so much easier than it use to be, I > bought the Floriani Embroidery suite Pro at quilt show at a very good > discount. I learn something new every time I open it up and go through a > tutorial lesson. > > Anniecat > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:39 -0700> From: fran@lavoltapress.com> To: > h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine> > I'm > looking at the new Pfaff Creative Vision and the Viking Designer SE. > The > proprietary software looks on the face of it to be identical. (I > so far > have not seen great reviews of Corel's.) Do you have any > preferences as to > which machine is the best?> > Fran> > Monie wrote:> > I own the Viking > Designer SE, I love it so if you have the cash? I would > > Most assuredly > state pick it, but also? Since you were mentioning a larger> > field for > embroidery? The newest Pfaff you should look at because at the> > moment it > has the largest field.> > > > I went to several stores to play with the > machines, once they see you are> > doing this not to 'play' but to see which > machine is right for you?> > Typically they allow you to stitch out a > design. > > > > Also? When speaking of embroidery machines it is more the > program that you> > have that wi! > ll also achieve results. If you are into or know Coreldraw,> > there is > an embroidery machine version. Also Pfaff and Husqvarna have their> > new > program 4D which is very fun I am working with it, as well as> > Generations > and well I bet a bunch more.> > > > So you don't have to get the TOP end > machine, you can still get awesome> > results with the top end program!> > > > > Cilean> > > > > > > > ______________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 03:43:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m417hkVw021229 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:43:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m417hf9c019600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:43:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m417hT33067367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 01:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417hThY047983; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417hSCa047930 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1148363wah.3 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr718096rvo.143.1209627804476; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805010043n60b0bfb2w7369714323c455be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:43:24 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34fefb7b-a49e-4062-9bd8-0410d375a7ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481974AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 03:43:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO He can wait if he truly loves you :) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Betsy Marshall < betsy@softwareinnovation.com> wrote: > Honeymoon trip! > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:20 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, > > > Would so love to go, but have a slight hitch in that am getting married in > November... > > *sigh* > > :o) > > > > > In a message dated 30/04/2008 20:43:42 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > I have met some people who are saving up to go to the big event in > November > for Janet Arnold. Here is the link: > http://www.fondazione-delbianco.org/inglese/InsertNews/Janet-Arnold.htm > > I was wondering if anyone else was going to this event? I am hoping to > get > to Florence during this time, as I will be in England so why not hop > down? > > There is rumor a new book in which Ms. Arnold was working on before her > demise will be unveiled at this event. > > Anyone else here of this rumor? > > I would give my eyeteeth to get there, but if not I want to give people > some > money in case the book is shown and they are allowed to purchase it. > > > Cilean > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 03:47:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m417lL0d021470 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:47:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m417lGeP020892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m417kv6X067582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 01:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417ktQn049933; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m417kstd049922 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so465197rvb.11 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.54.6 with SMTP id c6mr724386rva.37.1209628014151; Thu, 01 May 2008 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805010046r2c90ce68m394fd11323ffcb85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:46:54 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20080430182318.08C1A78A@captain.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080430182318.08C1A78A@captain.concentric.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d01f95b3-5f26-4ad9-b08d-6aa5eea33857 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48197584.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 03:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I always thought frog closures were a chinese invention? Learn something new everyday! Sidney On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Julie wrote: > I made a coat dress/Spanish Surcoat which has frogs up the whole front > opening. I'm trying to get documentation on the use of frogs in Elizabethan > England. There are a couple of pictures in Janet Arnold. Does anyone have > some links to either portraits or other primary type docs showing use of > frogs and/or how the specific ones shown were tied? > > I'm using some very clever doo dads carried by FolkWear for tying these > frogs. Much easier than just on a macrame board. I can't find period > pictures of exactly what I'm doing, but will settle for close . > > Thanks > Julie in Ramona (San Diego) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 04:37:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m418bsFS028644 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:37:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m418bmFm009689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m418bSha070492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 02:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m418bRge080108; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m418bN6O080049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m418bMUE006689 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:37:23 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 02:39:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <674184e90805010046r2c90ce68m394fd11323ffcb85@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caaeb8ee-a592-443b-a66e-7e37bde969dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4819815C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 04:37:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I love Frog closures too but they don't seem to be standard on English Elizabethans. However, there is a painting of Elizabeth in a white dress with frogs, labeled "Polish Dress" and one of the fameous ones where she is much older, holding gloves, the dress of a light color with orange frogging (?). Then there is one of the Russian ambassadors. I believe they are of Chinese origin, but spread west and north by our pre-16th Century date. Gadget!? From Folkwear? Avarice rears its expensive head. Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of S Young > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:47 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures > > > I always thought frog closures were a chinese invention? Learn > something new > everyday! > > Sidney > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Julie wrote: > > > I made a coat dress/Spanish Surcoat which has frogs up the whole front > > opening. I'm trying to get documentation on the use of frogs > in Elizabethan > > England. There are a couple of pictures in Janet Arnold. Does > anyone have > > some links to either portraits or other primary type docs showing use of > > frogs and/or how the specific ones shown were tied? > > > > I'm using some very clever doo dads carried by FolkWear for tying these > > frogs. Much easier than just on a macrame board. I can't find period > > pictures of exactly what I'm doing, but will settle for close . > > > > Thanks > > Julie in Ramona (San Diego) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 04:50:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m418oWoE030659 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:50:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m418oONd011789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m418o0kB070944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 02:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m418nwJ1088036; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m418nuET088012 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so475349rvb.11 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 01:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr742117rvm.36.1209631796336; Thu, 01 May 2008 01:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805010149h6b5d0402k975a4f8b498aa9de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:49:56 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Royal gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 208b9657-6379-4f6b-bb57-786d69a8a820 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48198450.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 04:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Talk of royal clothing styles has me thinking, does anyone know if any of the dresses worn by Elizabeth and Margaret during the 50's are available in pattern form? Sidney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 09:18:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41DImnH031450 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:18:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41DIgbW026051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41DI9hY097153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41DI7g2082159; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41DI3cv082037 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:17:57 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] WAS Sorry, had to laugh, NOW costume in NH Thread-Index: AcirV3J4r4KXujq2T86Z4AtJQnocegANVcGg References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com> <00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] WAS Sorry, had to laugh, NOW costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39d04eec-c4c8-4362-95e5-858b551d8b4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4819C332.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 09:18:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Not to glory in your pain, but I'm very relieved to hear this--the husband > and I recently decided for sure NOT to move to WA (going to NH instead!) > and > we both get pressure/weather migraines. Sour grapes and all, but I'm glad > to have one less reason not to regret our decision! > > -E > PS--anyone have any suggestions for costume or museum related destinations > in the northeast? Where in NH? Boston's Museum of Fine Arts has a costume collection, lots of small historical societies (we're filthy with them up here) have them too... Old York Historical in York, ME, several of the historic houses in Portsmouth, NH... The university museum here at Univ. of NH (sadly, NOT the museum -I- work for...though I get to play sometimes...I make museum mannequins on the side...) has a small collection. Peabody-Essex Museum in Salem, MA... Brick Store Museum in Kennebunk, ME... Dartmouth has a collection too, I believe... NH Historical Society in Concord, NH Not a lot of places will have things on display, but most will let you in to look if you're researching something or ask. Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 09:25:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41DPAIN031705 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41DP35u030530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41DJXBJ097404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41DJX11083511; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41DJV72083398 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:19:07 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m41DJ7p34848 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:19:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 01 May 2008 08:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:19:05 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 08:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <48197CE6.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b669482-9182-4efd-9dd7-58ca5214dda8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4819C4AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 09:25:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pretty much everything that Jane said below :). I would add George W. Digby's "Elizabethan Embroidery (Faber & Faber, 1963) for a good broader perspective on blackwork and embroidery in the latter 16th C. Mamluk is a MUST! I don't have the titles in front of me but I think a couple of books by Kathleen Epstein/Staples touch on this too. Catherine At 01:43 PM 1/05/2008, you wrote: >Ages ago I forwarded a question about blackwork to this list on behalf of a >colleague. You folks were very helpful, so I'm >coming back with an add-on query. > >My colleague has continued her work and is approaching it from a different >angle now, and for background, she needs to bring herself up to speed on >what's known about embroidery in late medieval and early modern Western >Europe, especially England. She is especially interested in seeing how >blackwork fits into that context. > >She asks for recommendations of good published sources that will give her a >sense of what blackwork is and when it was done, based on specific examples >(art, documents, and especially surviving artifacts). She needs sources she >can cite in a formal paper, so Web sites will not do. Neither will how-to >books that include a little historical background (e.g. that something was >done in X century) but do not provide sources or evidence. > >She particularly needs definitions: What specific characteristics lead >historians to class the needlework on a 1550 shirt (for example) in the >category of "blackwork" style (as the term is understood), while another >example of embroidery that happens to be black would not be considered >"blackwork"? A source that explains the stitches, motifs, patterns, etc. that >are routinely associated by historians with the >term "blackwork" would be great. Such a beasty doesn't really exist. There isn't one or even two books that cover all this area. And not many articles either, not academic ones anyway. General History of European Embroidey at this time: Bridgeman, Harriet; and Drury, Elizabeth. (eds). ? ?Needlework, an Illustrated History?, (London: Paddington Press, 1978) - section on Great Briton Schuette, Marie and M?ller-Christensen, Sigrid. ?The Art of Embroidery? (London: Thames and Hudson, 1964) Blackwork History/Techniques Some of the best background about Blackwork comes from a how-to book: Gostelow, Mary. Blackwork. (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1976) Geddes, Elisabeth, and Moyra McNeill. Blackwork Embroidery. (New York: Dover, 1976) I also have a handout which describes what I consider to be the three main types of blackwork during the Elizabethan period with examples and details for find original institutions hold the egs. See "Embroidery for Clothing - Non-Counted Blackwork" under "Class Handouts" on http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/research/index.html >(I realize that some people could argue that you can call almost anything >monochrome "blackwork" if you stretch the definition far enough, but she's >interested in what's traditionally assumed by the accepted definitions, not >ways to revise it.) One thing to remember, most sources are heavily biased towards looking at early period Blackwork ie early Tudor under Henry VIII. You can find alot about that but much less about the later period stuff. Really there aren't any standard definitions of what constitutes blackwork. >I am not asking anyone here to answer those questions for her ... even if you >did, she'd still need published authorities she can cite in a formal paper. >And she really needs to get up to speed on this on her own, and do her own >reading. So all I'm bothering you folks for are recommendations for >academic-quality reference books. She'll be getting them ILL, so cost and >availability are not issues. > >Bonus points if you can also point her to a good overview source on known >embroidery styles from, say, 1300-1600, based on surviving pieces, so she can >get a sense of other known styles of this period and compare them with what >she learns about "blackwork." I think she does not have much of a sense of >just how much is known about specific embroidery >styles, and how many types of >embroidery there were in this period. My website: Historical Needlework Resources - above period broken down by location, date and techniques. Some of the links to extant pieces may be broken as the museums etc keep changing their databases, but it will get her to the correct institution where she can search. The quickest way to find extant examples is by looking in the "Period" section, which is then broken down by location and technique. >No need for anything beyond Europe or outside the 1300-1600 range. In relation to blackwork, I think that would be a mistake - look at the Mamluk embroidery such as the one on my site: http://medieval.webcon.net.au/loc_middle_east_mamluk.html and compare to the 16th C modelbuch patterns used a source by embroiderers in the 16th Century - almost identical. >Thanks for all your help! > >--Robin If she has specific questions I can probably chase down specific sources. I'm at work and don't have my books on hand. Cheers, Jane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 09:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41Dd2mK032723 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:39:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41DcVPK011484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:38:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41DX595099295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41DX4hJ095213; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:33:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m41DX1iC095091 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:33:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4645 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2008 13:32:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LjBEDc0VM1kK6sBngCJMMco7KtVU7WcPqrwIzOrnoxY2h5XbqbJZpP.FHkbgMAIGTWctaGHDAWY- Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 06:32:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <167234.4625.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4819C7D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 09:38:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, Does she have German? How about: Mit Nadel und Faden: Kulturgeschichte der klassischen Handarbeiten by Marianne Stradal ISBN-13: 978-3451216084 My German is quite rusty so I'll admit that I bought this for the pictures. It seemed to have many outside the usual survey stuff. Library catalogs say that this has bibliographic references. It might be good for trianglulating definitions. Cheers, Mary Robin sent: > She asks for recommendations of good published sources that > will give her a > sense of what blackwork is and when it was done, based on > specific examples > (art, documents, and especially surviving artifacts). She > needs sources she > can cite in a formal paper, so Web sites will not do. > Neither will how-to > books that include a little historical background (e.g. > that something was > done in X century) but do not provide sources or evidence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 09:41:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41Dfdvw000366 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41DfRJ1007794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41Df53f099932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41Df4aj001930; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41Df26Y001815 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] WAS Sorry, had to laugh, NOW costume in NH Thread-Index: AcirV3J4r4KXujq2T86Z4AtJQnocegANVcGgAADSszA= References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com><00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] WAS Sorry, had to laugh, NOW costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1602294d-8be5-42a7-b870-5edaec14922a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4819C887.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, I forgot-- there's a living history museum in Portsmouth too, Strawbery Banke (that was what the original settlers called the place when they came over in the early 1600s, because of the wild strawberries growing everywhere). They have a new exhibition space with occasional costume shown, plenty in storage, plus a few roleplayers (ever-shifting number). It's unique in that it doesn't focus on one time period, but rather shows the history of the place from 1600s up to 1950. Each house is a different date, most are original, some were moved to the site. Most houses do not have roleplayers, but there's kit for Rev War, early 1800s, 1830s, 1870s, 19teens, WWII (I know, because I used to do their reproduction costumes!) Also Plimoth Plantation, gem of living history museums. Everything Williamsburg should be and isn't. They have an incredible program going on now, a collaborative embroidery of a 17th c. jacket.... (MUST find the time to get on that!!! Sigh...) Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 10:07:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41E7M1R001700 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:07:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41E7EdO030298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41E6rot002084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41E6pwM024726; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [67.18.52.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m41E6nB6024692 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 18327 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 14:13:47 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 14:13:47 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57367) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JrZQs-00050L-4I; Thu, 01 May 2008 09:06:46 -0500 Received: from 168.18.215.75 ([168.18.215.75]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20080501100646.z1291c6dy8g8cks4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:06:46 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <48193C7B.2080804@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <48193C7B.2080804@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9aec27e2-b301-4935-a76e-471bb5078601 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4819CE92.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > Ages ago I forwarded a question about blackwork to this list on behalf of a > colleague. You folks were very helpful, so I'm coming back with an > add-on query. > *snip* > > Bonus points if you can also point her to a good overview source on known > embroidery styles from, say, 1300-1600, based on surviving pieces, so she can > get a sense of other known styles of this period and compare them with what > she learns about "blackwork." I think she does not have much of a sense of > just how much is known about specific embroidery styles, and how > many types of embroidery there were in this period. > The "bible" is Schuette & Christensen's "A Pictorial History of Embroidery." It's chock full of pictures of extant pieces. Unfortunately most of the photos are in black and white, but they provide info on each piece -- colors, stitches, ground fabric type, etc. King & Levey's "The Victoria and Albert Museum's Collection: Embroidery in Britain from 1200-1750. All color pictures. :-D Bridgeman & Drury's Needlework "An Illustrated History" More text than either of the above books -- they're mostly "picture books." susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 11:06:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41F6Rtb004460 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41F6MXE002956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41F0bPB007173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 09:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41F0ZSp075460; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m41F0Wwe075292 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEBVY2DAJKUJL2 for (sender ); Thu, 1 May 2008 08:00:19 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssiWt0IC6v8w8bD2IaBt+IFQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NH462AK6; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:00:15 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:19:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20080501.075947.2536.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-17,19-20,23-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:348770169 X-MAIL-INFO: 38418d751118953888a9f18df86888d819989815 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0523825d-3d83-438d-948f-9e1a32c9b883 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4819DC6E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 11:06:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:18:45 -0500 "Catherine Kinsey" writes: > Pretty much everything that Jane said below :). > > I would add George W. Digby's "Elizabethan Embroidery (Faber & > Faber, > 1963) for a good broader perspective on blackwork and embroidery in > the > latter 16th C. > > Mamluk is a MUST! I don't have the titles in front of me but I > think a > couple of books by Kathleen Epstein/Staples touch on this too. > > Catherine It's my understanding that Thomas (?) Trevelon's book is being re-issued, and it is an amazing--if pricey--source. Jane Ashelford's book on Elizabethan dress (sorry, been up 5 minutes and can't remember the title) is a wonderful source for the contexts of embroidery. Arlys Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 11:33:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41FXlbI005896 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41FXguY003042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41FXMBO010495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 09:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41FXL06009721; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m41FXI2Z009548 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 96474 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.0.202?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.46.0.202 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:33:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NKlTb7MVM1nAYyV2lo1h6fhNvoVt2YdwLN561sNoeWsKJXhmtvdHELI5O2xbPt56lsnzIbyzWhCmikEya.2hz6uLw910Rvv1BgTt4xbe52QPN7fdZLy0ixP70nfxYtqcClGqbTk.CSub1TbAzf5ITbZk X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <22728F8A-1983-4DCA-8635-491D43E26791@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:01:21 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28d3a8cf-6914-41c6-9dd3-c02b8478f351 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4819E2D6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > On Apr 30, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Julie wrote: >> >> I made a coat dress/Spanish Surcoat which has frogs up the whole >> front opening. I'm trying to get documentation on the use of >> frogs in Elizabethan England. There are a couple of pictures in >> Janet Arnold. Does anyone have some links to either portraits or >> other primary type docs showing use of frogs and/or how the >> specific ones shown were tied? >> On May 1, 2008, at 5:39 AM, Wanda Pease wrote: > I love Frog closures too but they don't seem to be standard on English > Elizabethans. However, there is a painting of Elizabeth in a white > dress > with frogs, labeled "Polish Dress" and one of the fameous ones > where she is > much older, holding gloves, the dress of a light color with orange > frogging > (?). It depends on how you define frogging. We tend to think of frogs as a fancy piece of knotted cord on each side, one with a knotted ball of cord making a button, the other with a loop. The two examples you give are of a different design. Each has a flat horizontal piece of trim extending out in both directions from the center front with decorative tufts at the outer ends. At the center is a button and loop closure. This style is thought to have originated with Polish coats that had similar decorative fastenings (See Queen Eliz's Wardrobe Unlock'd pp. 136-8. She notes that the term "frogging" was not used in the 16th c.). The only other possibility I can think of is the portrait of Elizabeth of Valois showing knots of pearls down the center front: http://www.mystudios.com/women/abcde/sofonisba_valois.jpg It doesn't look as though the buttons and loops are integral with the knots (and I'm not sure how they could be, since the knots are strands of pearls), so it's still not quite a cognate with modern frogging in a structural sense. But it does have some of the aesthetic idea of decorative knots associated with fastenings. Can you extrapolate from this isolated example to justify modern frogging? Your call. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 12:59:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41Gxaru009890 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41GxBNK004932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:59:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41GwjQ6020661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 10:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41GwhUP003684; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp7.america.net (qsmtp7.america.net [69.60.160.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41GwdZZ003620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200805011658.m41GwdZZ003620@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp7.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jrc78-0004gm-P6 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:58:34 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:56:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <674184e90805010046r2c90ce68m394fd11323ffcb85@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080430182318.08C1A78A@captain.concentric.com> <674184e90805010046r2c90ce68m394fd11323ffcb85@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff262181-b3ad-4ed9-91a5-4431a1d5292c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4819F6E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They might have come west, but truly are very late, relatively speaking. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 13:23:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41HNSR5010847 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:23:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41HNI25031053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:23:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41HMlVo023204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 11:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HMkoe031001; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HMhiA030923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41HMfRC009949 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:22:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04ede462-3278-4a08-b891-b8f95d661a7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4819FC86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 13:23:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've really only wanted fairly basic sewing machines before in my life, just good sturdy machines to sew with, the usual simple stitches. I started out with a treadle, then I had an incredibly sturdy early Singer electric with a bentwood case that in retrospect I wish I hadn't parted with, then I had a Sears Kenmore that I used for years, till I beat it to death. After that I bought a lemon model of a Bernina that never worked right, which I gather is not typical for Bernina and they soon took it off the market, but it's turned me off Berninas ever since. Within a month I traded it in for the Viking I have now. I like my current Viking, it's a good machine with the usual array of basic stitches, and really I mostly use the straight stitch. It still works great. It's just that I love embroidery, and I don't have time to hand embroider and still do everything else in life. I downloaded some materials on both the Viking Designer SE and the new Pfaff Creative Vision. They both look extremely tempting. They both have an incredible array of features. The proprietary software for both seems identical (probably third-party product licensed to both manufacturers), so that's not a consideration. The Pfaff Creative Vision does seem to have the largest field, but I'm biased in favor of the Viking because I already have a more basic Viking and I like it. So one thing I want to know is, suppose I want to embroider a large design that is not composed of repeating patterns/identical units. A design larger than the field, whatever that field is. Can either machine tile a pattern stored in memory? Can I embroider a huge parrot by dividing the design into sections and telling the machine, now I'll do section 1A, then 1B, then 2A, and so on? The other thing I'm trying to figure out is how to use designs scanned from antique magazines. I see that the proprietary software allows the use of a digitizing tablet, but I've always found scanning to be easier. I already have a large-format flatbed scanner. So can I scan an antique public-domain design on the scanner, program stitches for the bitmap using the proprietary software, and then embroider that? Another thing I really want and have not so far found, is the kind of list computer manufacturers give you for parts. That is, a list of every single kind of foot, hoop, and other accessory not included with the machine but which can be used with the machine if you need that accessory, complete with prices. Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Paula Praxis wrote: > I got the new Pfaff Creative Vision for Christmas last and I am loving it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 13:33:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41HXYfH011348 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:33:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41HXSln006025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41HX9fi024354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HX8LK042850; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HX6j2042733 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1334540wxc.23 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.26.9 with SMTP id 9mr3234819agz.62.1209663183441; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o27sm4481042ele.8.2008.05.01.10.33.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 May 2008 10:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:32:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcirsA9WyFL3Ph6KRvGRrMAFAB0PlAAAPijQ Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f5631fa-c2f8-4170-b84a-c4c3fed5f9ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4819FEE8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 13:33:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One of my girlfriends has a husband that works for Microsoft. He loves their embroidery machine. He uses it more than she does! :) Anyhow, he found some non-proprietary software that works with most machines if not all. We have used it over and over again for designs we made ourselves. I will ask him what it is but in the mean time, now that we have changed the subject heading maybe others will chime in with what software they found. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine I've really only wanted fairly basic sewing machines before in my life, just good sturdy machines to sew with, the usual simple stitches. I started out with a treadle, then I had an incredibly sturdy early Singer electric with a bentwood case that in retrospect I wish I hadn't parted with, then I had a Sears Kenmore that I used for years, till I beat it to death. After that I bought a lemon model of a Bernina that never worked right, which I gather is not typical for Bernina and they soon took it off the market, but it's turned me off Berninas ever since. Within a month I traded it in for the Viking I have now. I like my current Viking, it's a good machine with the usual array of basic stitches, and really I mostly use the straight stitch. It still works great. It's just that I love embroidery, and I don't have time to hand embroider and still do everything else in life. I downloaded some materials on both the Viking Designer SE and the new Pfaff Creative Vision. They both look extremely tempting. They both have an incredible array of features. The proprietary software for both seems identical (probably third-party product licensed to both manufacturers), so that's not a consideration. The Pfaff Creative Vision does seem to have the largest field, but I'm biased in favor of the Viking because I already have a more basic Viking and I like it. So one thing I want to know is, suppose I want to embroider a large design that is not composed of repeating patterns/identical units. A design larger than the field, whatever that field is. Can either machine tile a pattern stored in memory? Can I embroider a huge parrot by dividing the design into sections and telling the machine, now I'll do section 1A, then 1B, then 2A, and so on? The other thing I'm trying to figure out is how to use designs scanned from antique magazines. I see that the proprietary software allows the use of a digitizing tablet, but I've always found scanning to be easier. I already have a large-format flatbed scanner. So can I scan an antique public-domain design on the scanner, program stitches for the bitmap using the proprietary software, and then embroider that? Another thing I really want and have not so far found, is the kind of list computer manufacturers give you for parts. That is, a list of every single kind of foot, hoop, and other accessory not included with the machine but which can be used with the machine if you need that accessory, complete with prices. Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Paula Praxis wrote: > I got the new Pfaff Creative Vision for Christmas last and I am loving it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 13:57:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41HvgrJ012173 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:57:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41HvV7p003716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:57:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41HvGp4026901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 11:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HvFPP069241; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41HvCZ3069184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41Huksf032347 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:56:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccf42040-5e43-42f6-b5a0-ea54d91dbf93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481A048B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! I am wondering for historic-type embroidery (of any historic period) people are using the predigitized designs around, which I have not checked into very much. All I've really done, is the Viking site is offering a deal with a kind of coupon for $1,000 of their own accessories of your choice, feet and so on, which sounds good to me. However, since Viking does not seem to be selling machines directly off their site in any way I can perceive so far, this must be available only from participating vendors. Anyway, the deal also includes a $500 coupon for a place that sells predigitized designs, and I have to say theirs didn't excite me all that much. However, it looks like everybody and their dog may be selling digitized embroidery designs. Does anyone speciailize in historic designs of any kind? I want to digitize my own, but if anyone is selling ones I might really like and which might save me some work at some point, I'd like to know about that also. It's been so long since I bought a machine I really don't know the market any more. I saw some new Viking Designers SE for sale on eBay, but I'm kind of afraid to buy a sewing machine off eBay. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Chiara Francesca wrote: > One of my girlfriends has a husband that works for Microsoft. He loves their > embroidery machine. He uses it more than she does! :) > > Anyhow, he found some non-proprietary software that works with most machines > if not all. We have used it over and over again for designs we made > ourselves. > > I will ask him what it is but in the mean time, now that we have changed the > subject heading maybe others will chime in with what software they found. :) > > Chiara Francesca > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 14:19:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41IJ7Vk013054 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41IJ1oG032601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41IINsP029776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41IILMV092749; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41IIJOA092619 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so226093ana.65 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.14.2 with SMTP id 2mr3422398ann.67.1209665893394; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.71.8 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:18:13 -0400 From: "Catrijn vanden Westhende" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4f862ba-27d5-4cd9-aaab-32ceefed5b8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A0995.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 14:19:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > It's been so long since I bought a machine I really don't know the > market any more. I saw some new Viking Designers SE for sale on eBay, > but I'm kind of afraid to buy a sewing machine off eBay. > > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > >From previous experience, I wouldn't buy a sewing machine off of ebay unless it was available for local pick-up. Also keep in mind that it will be much easier to get warranty service if you work with a local dealer. As for your various questions... Pfaff and Husqvarna are owned by the same company now (VSM group), hence their near-identical software, which is produced by another division of the company. The primary third party software competitor is Embird, which is less expensive, but you'll need to research compatibility for particular machines, and it doesn't look like it's seen a major update recently. All of the design programs should allow you to split a design into multiple parts to do embroideries larger than the hoop size. The trick is repositioning precisely to start the second (and later) sections so that everything lines up properly. Features for making this easier vary - your best bet is asking a dealer to demonstrate it. Part of the reason for all the recent discounts on Viking Designers is that it looks like they're introducing a new top-of-the-line machine later this year, I've been getting a lot of e-mail hype about it. - Catrijn (who has still never actually USED the embroidery portion of her Platinum 950E) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 14:28:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41ISwfJ013579 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:28:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41ISpWL005481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41ISX4B031087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 12:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41ISXtL004136; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41ISUqX004072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41ISS6g021184 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <481A0BCD.4090600@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:28:29 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22910c79-cdc8-4388-8cc7-a5257917bba1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481A0BE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO All of the > design programs should allow you to split a design into multiple parts > to do embroideries larger than the hoop size. The trick is > repositioning precisely to start the second (and later) sections so > that everything lines up properly. Good--that means the embroidery field size does not matter as much. > > Part of the reason for all the recent discounts on Viking Designers is > that it looks like they're introducing a new top-of-the-line machine > later this year, I've been getting a lot of e-mail hype about it. > > - Catrijn > I was wondering whether the discounts were just because this is the kind of computer purchase where you never really pay list price anyway, or because Viking was about to introduce a new model. Because it seems just like buying other computer s/w and h/w, the manufacturer upgrades to a new version ten minutes after you buy the former version. So, I am glad to know about the new model. When do they say they are introducing it, and what advantages do they say it has over the old model? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 14:44:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41Ii507014208 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:44:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41Ihx49007085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:44:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41IhaB3033890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 12:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41IhZCM020322; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41Ih9BF019876 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so228387ana.65 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.68.10 with SMTP id v10mr3488205ank.17.1209667412399; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.71.8 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:43:32 -0400 From: "Catrijn vanden Westhende" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <481A0BCD.4090600@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> <481A0BCD.4090600@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a8bc977-888a-45a2-99cd-66aaa299b871 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481A0F6F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > I was wondering whether the discounts were just because this is the kind > of computer purchase where you never really pay list price anyway, or > because Viking was about to introduce a new model. Because it seems > just like buying other computer s/w and h/w, the manufacturer upgrades > to a new version ten minutes after you buy the former version. > > So, I am glad to know about the new model. When do they say they are > introducing it, and what advantages do they say it has over the old model? > What they are saying so far is practically nothing. The info-light, media-heavy pre-launch website is here: http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/mediafiles/dd/prelaunch/index_en_US.htm I should also note that with the exception of very new models, all these machines go on sale frequently - you shouldn't pay full price (ever, IMO). It's just that the discounts currently are a bit bigger than usual. -Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:03:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41J3lXC014926 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:03:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41J3frf023683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41J3CA5036447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41J3BKo041575; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41J39KI041541 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:03:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1137198pyc.4 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.32.3 with SMTP id k3mr4124198pyj.54.1209668588431; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z52sm3629495pyg.1.2008.05.01.12.03.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ee01c8abbe$53ebaff0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com><00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:05:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27bb2423-e075-4f11-9770-050c913f42a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A140D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:03:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" > Where in NH? I'll be within commuting distance of Dartmouth, but I'm willing to drive a few hours to get my costuming jollies. I'm not willing to go as far as NYC, but anything in New England or even possibly the bits of Canada around Montreal is on tap. I may even get up the nerve to visit Yale's collection of illuminated manuscripts! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:13:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JDCET015501 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:13:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JD5P7009691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JCd4m037423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JCd6F051701; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JCYT5051503 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ee01c8abbe$53ebaff0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume in NH Thread-Index: AcirvidU4u8tVtCXRaqWEol9vnIgBQAAOBHg References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com><00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <00ee01c8abbe$53ebaff0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d428b4e1-6f35-463f-b45e-08c1a027fc69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481A1641.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, welcome! I've been told wonders about this fabric store, but haven't been there myself yet. Delectable Mountain, in Brattleboro VT-- about an hour away from your soon-to-be home! http://www.delectablemountain.com/ Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Exstock > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" > > Where in NH? > > I'll be within commuting distance of Dartmouth, but I'm willing to drive a > few hours to get my costuming jollies. I'm not willing to go as far as > NYC, > but anything in New England or even possibly the bits of Canada around > Montreal is on tap. I may even get up the nerve to visit Yale's > collection > of illuminated manuscripts! > > -E House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:19:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JJjcv015805 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:19:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JJdGW031632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JJCKn038023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JJ9gw059050; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JJ5qV058987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41JIndJ028796 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <481A1799.2070205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:18:49 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> <481A0BCD.4090600@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79d069b1-90b5-43c6-99f6-8938355e9767 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A17CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I see what you mean about info-light. I am thinking of waiting till it comes out and seeing if the new features are better and so on. How long after a machine comes out does the sale cycle start, and how often do they go on sale? Thanks, Fran > > What they are saying so far is practically nothing. The info-light, media-heavy > pre-launch website is here: > http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/mediafiles/dd/prelaunch/index_en_US.htm > > I should also note that with the exception of very new models, all > these machines > go on sale frequently - you shouldn't pay full price (ever, IMO). > It's just that the > discounts currently are a bit bigger than usual. > > -Catrijn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:24:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JOjDa016059 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:24:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JOdIc001708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JOHfs038611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JOHiX065221; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JODC9065125 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080501192412.UFBR26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 21:24:12 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.81]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080501192412.CCGS26322.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 21:24:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c8abc0$ee6005c0$5114a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com><00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub><00ee01c8abbe$53ebaff0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:24:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.81] at Thu, 1 May 2008 21:24:11 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06f5b7d0-74ba-4fc5-a523-f795f75cc75c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A18F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO, thanks a lot, they have the red/ black silk jacquard i can use for the Estrup renaissance dress i am going to make, ben looking so manny places without any results. I am glad this shop isnt here in Copenhagen :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH > Well, welcome! > > I've been told wonders about this fabric store, but haven't been there > myself yet. > Delectable Mountain, in Brattleboro VT-- about an hour away from your > soon-to-be home! > http://www.delectablemountain.com/ > > > Astrida > ******************************* > Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director > Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire > Paul Creative Arts Center > 30 College Road > Durham, NH 03824-3538 > 603-862-0310 > FAX: 603-862-2191 > > www.unh.edu/art-gallery > ******************************* > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On >> Behalf Of Exstock >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:06 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" >> > Where in NH? >> >> I'll be within commuting distance of Dartmouth, but I'm willing to > drive a >> few hours to get my costuming jollies. I'm not willing to go as far > as >> NYC, >> but anything in New England or even possibly the bits of Canada around >> Montreal is on tap. I may even get up the nerve to visit Yale's >> collection >> of illuminated manuscripts! >> >> -E House >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:26:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JQiI9016173 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JQcns017262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JQR1L038852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JQRrY067708; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JQOHm067554 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c8abc0$ee6005c0$5114a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume in NH Thread-Index: AcirwQ2v3RFpbWkgSMKcGEbEpVdlWgAACRpA References: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com><00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub><00ee01c8abbe$53ebaff0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <000e01c8abc0$ee6005c0$5114a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e56e758a-abee-426a-a7e2-528ba68f54b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481A196E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:26:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO : ) Glad to help! ; ) Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:24 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH > > WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO, thanks a lot, they have the red/ black silk jacquard i > can use for the Estrup renaissance dress i am going to make, ben looking > so > manny places without any results. > I am glad this shop isnt here in Copenhagen :-) > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH > > > > Well, welcome! > > > > I've been told wonders about this fabric store, but haven't been there > > myself yet. > > Delectable Mountain, in Brattleboro VT-- about an hour away from your > > soon-to-be home! > > http://www.delectablemountain.com/ > > > > > > Astrida > > ******************************* > > Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director > > Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire > > Paul Creative Arts Center > > 30 College Road > > Durham, NH 03824-3538 > > 603-862-0310 > > FAX: 603-862-2191 > > > > www.unh.edu/art-gallery > > ******************************* > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On > >> Behalf Of Exstock > >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:06 PM > >> To: Historical Costume > >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" > >> > Where in NH? > >> > >> I'll be within commuting distance of Dartmouth, but I'm willing to > > drive a > >> few hours to get my costuming jollies. I'm not willing to go as far > > as > >> NYC, > >> but anything in New England or even possibly the bits of Canada around > >> Montreal is on tap. I may even get up the nerve to visit Yale's > >> collection > >> of illuminated manuscripts! > >> > >> -E House > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:32:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JWNDV016443 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:32:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JWHwp005929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JVkuD039282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JVkJR073668; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JVg4n073499 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c81.26553aec (42808) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:35 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59db93ee-b53f-47c0-bc79-8995290ef6b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A1AC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a Designer SE, and I love it! You may want to wait until next month to buy. The latest top of the line Viking is to come out then. There is much speculation as to what features it will have, but the general idea is that it will have the same large field as the Pfaff. Based on past experience, there will be a number of SE's (and probably also some Designer 1's - also an excellent machine) traded in for the new TOL. I have found the Designers to be so much fun that owning one really recharged my interest in machine sewing. It is important when purchasing a machine that you get one from a reliable dealer who will provide solid support after the sale. These are computerized machines and have to be updated (by download) periodically. I would recommend finding a dealer who provides regular owner classes (not just one lesson) if at all possible. The software program Viking has is also a lot of fun and fairly user friendly if you want to digitize. Again, classes are really useful, although the tutorials are pretty good. If you do end up buying a machine I strongly recommend joining the Designer SE Yahoo user group. The people on there have an amazing amount of knowledge and are very generous with sharing. Nancy **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:49:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41JnSIr017589 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:49:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41JnMrx010711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:49:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41Jmr4T041281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JmpYp092897; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JmnTu092843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41Jmcem003363 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: <481A1E95.50708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:48:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9770cab-d498-4483-9371-785b5b1f7495 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481A1EC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:49:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > > I have a Designer SE, and I love it! You may want to wait until next month > to buy. The latest top of the line Viking is to come out then. There is > much speculation as to what features it will have, but the general idea is that > it will have the same large field as the Pfaff. Now that is exactly what I am hoping for. > > It is important when purchasing a machine that you get one from a reliable > dealer who will provide solid support after the sale. These are computerized > machines and have to be updated (by download) periodically. But I could do the downloads myself, right? As I do for the s/w on my computer. I see what you mean about local tech support though, as there's always some chance, however small, of getting a defective machine or otherwise having technical problems. BTW, are their "embroidery sticks" machine-specific in any way, or can you use any computer data stick/flash drive? Thanks, Fran I would > recommend finding a dealer who provides regular owner classes (not just one lesson) > if at all possible. The software program Viking has is also a lot of fun and > fairly user friendly if you want to digitize. Again, classes are really > useful, although the tutorials are pretty good. If you do end up buying a > machine I strongly recommend joining the Designer SE Yahoo user group. The people > on there have an amazing amount of knowledge and are very generous with > sharing. > > Nancy > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 15:58:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41Jw174017987 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:58:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41Jvt27026274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41JvQqc042196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 13:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JvQlm001942; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41JvMBg001769 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LKps1Z0050vyq2s5601Q00; Thu, 01 May 2008 19:57:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LKxG1Z0073kY7qX3R00000; Thu, 01 May 2008 19:57:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uI1EMh6s7DIA:10 a=srxW_8pwq8kA:10 a=eNajAfD1ji72ZYSdO9wA:9 a=HKny88lFL986ZBXYGfQ-GyLT9GoA:4 a=FEaNhf3AWQsA:10 Message-ID: <481A2099.6040408@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:57:13 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <481A1E95.50708@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <481A1E95.50708@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10644d06-8eb7-43c9-8da5-7e4de05c7fb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481A20C3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 15:57:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > But I could do the downloads myself, right? As I do for the s/w on my > computer. I see what you mean about local tech support though, as > there's always some chance, however small, of getting a defective > machine or otherwise having technical problems. AFAIK, most updates to the machine are user-installable. Some may require a visit to the shop, though. One of the big reasons for going to a good dealer is the start-up training. Embroidery machines in general, and Viking embroidery machines in particular, are very feature-rich systems. Without training owners often spend several years doing things in difficult and inefficient ways because they don't know about less obvious advanced options. > BTW, are their "embroidery sticks" machine-specific in any way, or can > you use any computer data stick/flash drive? I believe they're just ordinary USB flash drives formatted for Windows. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 16:15:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41KFKcD018785 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:15:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41KFEnt029101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:15:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41KEiS5044104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 14:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KEhqg020586; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KEemw020540 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so817429hsz.15 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.70.6 with SMTP id s6mr3429785aga.66.1209672880243; Thu, 01 May 2008 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28sm4659680ele.4.2008.05.01.13.14.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 May 2008 13:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4819FC62.2020309@lavoltapress.com> <4819fece.1ba67e0a.7167.ffff88a4@mx.google.com> <481A0456.4030909@lavoltapress.com> <481A0BCD.4090600@lavoltapress.com> <481A1799.2070205@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <481A1799.2070205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcirwFUbFmwMLEkfT4ul/qwVh5YLVwABftyA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <481a24af.1ca97e0a.5107.ffff95b3@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09b3674b-a4d7-4fed-8358-57f0a8fb46f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A24D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Embrid http://www.embird.com/ This is the software they use for their own designs. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Software for machines was New Sewing Machine I see what you mean about info-light. I am thinking of waiting till it comes out and seeing if the new features are better and so on. How long after a machine comes out does the sale cycle start, and how often do they go on sale? Thanks, Fran > > What they are saying so far is practically nothing. The info-light, media-heavy > pre-launch website is here: > http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/mediafiles/dd/prelaunch/index_en_US.htm > > I should also note that with the exception of very new models, all > these machines > go on sale frequently - you shouldn't pay full price (ever, IMO). > It's just that the > discounts currently are a bit bigger than usual. > > -Catrijn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 16:17:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41KHv4S018877 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41KHqCA008612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41KCU66043872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 14:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KCUht018095; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KCPhx017919 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp004-s [10.150.69.67]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout018/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m41KCKas024924 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (71-212-31-251.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.31.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp004/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m41KC85f020330 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <24492FA2-C997-49DF-B9B5-BA6B3C75DCEE@mac.com> From: Agnes Gawne Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:11:49 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Museums in the North East US was:Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34ab5e51-f02f-4472-8ea9-f55a13d5b764 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481A2570.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 16:17:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Since you mention that you will be in New Hampshire I have to recommend that you go to the Hood Art Museum at Dartmouth. I was there for a non-costuming reason and just happened to have time to wander to their museum. They have great early things (a wonderful early middle eastern art display) and many later American and European paintings. Of course, having the Rockefellers attend your school probably helps the art collection... also there is a great Orozco mural in the basement of the Baker Library building -- and the admission was free. Agnes On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:47 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 01:50:19 -0500 > From: "Exstock" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <00dc01c8ab57$9f4e6a80$eb00a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ----- Original Message ----- > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:49:15 -0700 "Wanda Pease" > writes: >> Since my migraines are pressure triggered, I'm >> pretty miserable even though I really love the green this produces >> as well as the coolness! > > Not to glory in your pain, but I'm very relieved to hear this--the > husband > and I recently decided for sure NOT to move to WA (going to NH > instead!) and > we both get pressure/weather migraines. Sour grapes and all, but > I'm glad > to have one less reason not to regret our decision! > > -E > PS--anyone have any suggestions for costume or museum related > destinations > in the northeast? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 16:27:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41KRb1A019390 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:27:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41KRSJv002871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:27:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41KQrfK045519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 14:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KQpf3034148; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m41KQl93033992 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52684 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2008 20:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3DIqwuwVM1mw_ln3O5ALTDJMP7hO1_Ik7Ll5Gi_ULihQordS.k5JK6CBGP_ZHoP4.0aqni7UhZ5CszgRYf5_2Am0m_K._w_lHqm1KQ-- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 13:26:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <81098.51966.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d12af521-86bd-46d3-8910-af09631ea60b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A27B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fran wrote: > But I could do the downloads myself, right? As I do for the s/w on my I've done them myself (when I remember to actually do them). > BTW, are their "embroidery sticks" machine-specific in any way, or can > you use any computer data stick/flash drive? I've used whatever USB stick/key/flashdrive I have handy, which usually isn't the one that came with the machine. However, the dealers are required to tell you that they can't offer technical support if you don't use the Viking stick or one on their approved list. You can also transfer embroidery designs by plugging the machine directly into your computer, the machine has a USB port. I think it appears like another harrdrive on your machine, I haven't done this in a while so don't remember. Ditto what Nancy said, June is the big Viking dealer convention and they're announcing the new machine then. Which means used Designer SE's may flood the market (including mine, *wink* *wink*). Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 16:30:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41KUXQ0019612 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41KUS4G019788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41KTugD045795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 14:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KTtF6037511; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KTqj3037350 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bf4.2653e82a (42808) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:29:30 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ecdc492-86f0-4e60-8b6a-d9008b9718c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481A2864.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fran writes: But I could do the downloads myself, right? As I do for the s/w on my computer. I see what you mean about local tech support though, as there's always some chance, however small, of getting a defective machine or otherwise having technical problems. BTW, are their "embroidery sticks" machine-specific in any way, or can you use any computer data stick/flash drive? Yes, you can do the downloads yourself. The machine (SE) comes with a USB cable to connect the machine with the computer as well as the software to set up the connection. HV has a listing of which sticks are compatible on their website. There have been some issues with compatibility in the past, so you do need to pay attention. It depends on the individual dealer as to when machines go on sale. One of the best times to buy is when they have an all day class where they bring in a lot of machines and let people take the class using the machine. I had already bought my machine, and was depressed when I heard what the sale price was on the demo machines. At this time it depends on how soon you want a machine - for the new TOL I would expect to see a price somewhere in the $7500 - 8200 ball park (and I may be completely wrong). I generally don't care much for the HV designs, although occasionally there are some nice ones. They tend to be pricey relative to the competition. If you get a machine I would recommend looking at Embroidery Library. They have attractive, well-digitized designs, and they run sales fairly frequently. To bring it back to a historic perspective, they have some nice blackwork and Jacobean designs (although they're getting a bit far out of typical Jacobean patterns based on their latest Jacobean sea creatures). Hope that helps, Nancy **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 16:48:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41KmoaJ021035 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:48:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41KmiFr026130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:48:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41KmEGD047690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 14:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KmEeK057192; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41KmARt057131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.24] (dial-209-148-101-24.sonic.net [209.148.101.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m41Km8PF010497 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <481A2C8B.9090103@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:48:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b4eda09-6169-46d1-a52d-a39888861f50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481A2CAC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 16:48:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At this time it depends on how soon you want a > machine - for the new TOL I would expect to see a price somewhere in the $7500 - > 8200 ball park (and I may be completely wrong). And I assume that doesn't include their proprietary s/w embroidery editing package, or anything extra in terms of special feet, different-sized hoops, etc.? I assume they give you some feet and hoops with the machine but perhaps not everything I'd want. I may be wrong, it's been so long since I bought my old Viking, but I dimly remember dickering with the salespeople and getting a discount, like buying a car. Where's a good website to buy machine embroidery thread BTW? As I said, my old Viking is perfectly functional, though not top-of-the-line in its time. Is there any convenience to having one machine set up for sewing and another for embroidery, considering I already have one just for sewing? I'm already wondering if, when I upgrade my computer, I should be putting my old one in the sewing room, considering I've always had my sewing room separate from my office and am likely to continue to want things that way. Thanks, Fran > > I generally don't care much for the HV designs, although occasionally there > are some nice ones. They tend to be pricey relative to the competition. If > you get a machine I would recommend looking at Embroidery Library. They have > attractive, well-digitized designs, and they run sales fairly frequently. > To bring it back to a historic perspective, they have some nice blackwork and > Jacobean designs (although they're getting a bit far out of typical Jacobean > patterns based on their latest Jacobean sea creatures). > > Hope that helps, > > Nancy > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 18:15:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41MFLha027409 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:15:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41MFFRq024415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41MEkb9056315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 16:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41MEih2045972; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [66.94.32.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41MEdIe045881 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from DrJksnSgy@ttlc.net) Received: from [206.15.129.10] [206.15.129.10] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.21) id A0B3B99C; Thu, 01 May 2008 18:14:11 -0400 Message-ID: <481A40BC.1060903@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:14:20 -0400 From: Dot + Lee Fisher User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ecbaff2-f7e3-4431-ae87-6c0fc07ba942 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481A40F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 18:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I took over Astrida"s position at Strawbery Banke, but I did stop at = this fabric store on some of my may trips to Wilmington, VT. My feeling = was that the prices were out of my range and that of the museum as = well. I've hear that their client=E8le is doll clothes makers. Dot Fisher > I've been told wonders about this fabric store, but haven't been there > > myself yet. > > Delectable Mountain, in Brattleboro VT-- about an hour away from your > > soon-to-be home! > > http://www.delectablemountain.com/ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 18:51:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41MpIgu029412 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:51:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41MpDx3027080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:51:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41MofEw059418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 16:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41MoedX082178; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41Moalb082027 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNU01Z0020mv7h05301H00; Thu, 01 May 2008 22:48:35 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNqW1Z0080CKaGd3X00000; Thu, 01 May 2008 22:50:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uI1EMh6s7DIA:10 a=srxW_8pwq8kA:10 a=FsB_g3NtE-g8pKBJQy8A:9 a=ZhB9NLNrBWg-2DhJpl4ZLVirg08A:4 a=ZON7V92nu88A:10 Message-ID: <008b01c8abdd$c8093d70$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <481A1E95.50708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:50:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da073ccd-8c21-494b-a23e-a607afd76184 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481A4961.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 18:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO But I could do the downloads myself, right? As I do for the s/w on my computer. I see what you mean about local tech support though, as there's always some chance, however small, of getting a defective machine or otherwise having technical problems. BTW, are their "embroidery sticks" machine-specific in any way, or can you use any computer data stick/flash drive? Thanks, Fran I never bought a machine from a dealer before my embroidery machine, because I never was buying the higher-end machines. (And my PE750D is not exactly high end, still, but it's the most I ever spent on a machine.) After this one experience, I can't imagine buying from a store instead of a dealer ever again. My dealer has been terrific. AFAIK, the higher-end embroidery machines can use regular USB memory sticks. My machine takes a reader/writer card and a convertor box. I almost got the machine with the thumb drive capability, but I really liked the operation of the one I chose instead, and since I already had the convertor box, it wasn't much of an issue. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 18:53:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41MrnjL029469 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:53:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41Mri5E029778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 18:53:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41MrX24059681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 16:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41MrXdn084767; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41MrTME084690 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNUZ1Z0050SCNGk5502k00; Thu, 01 May 2008 22:53:07 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNtU1Z00M0CKaGd3V00000; Thu, 01 May 2008 22:53:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mTQ3JLjUAAAA:8 a=sd3yQNP6AAAA:8 a=z187BaHCAAAA:8 a=ap3N_JoXAAAA:8 a=vBitzsdvgoV9jW15Y3AA:9 a=pEfQ74kV41anrW4m54L94aeL558A:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Message-ID: <009401c8abde$32138a90$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <481A2C8B.9090103@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:53:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Husqvarna Viking Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a83a8d1-cbdf-439f-b6ae-9be96c1ae7d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481A49F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 18:53:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where's a good website to buy machine embroidery thread BTW? As I said, my old Viking is perfectly functional, though not top-of-the-line in its time. Is there any convenience to having one machine set up for sewing and another for embroidery, considering I already have one just for sewing? http://www.bfc-stash.com http://www.longcreekmills.com http://www.melco-mart.com http://www.anembroideredaffair.com All have good prices on thread and stabilizers. The only one I have personal knowledge of is bef-stash, as I have purchased several designs from them, and I have always been satisfied. The others, I've heard numerous good reports on. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 19:23:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m41NNFlI030920 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:23:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m41NN2Xr019275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:23:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m41NMBUA061583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 17:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41NM97K008721; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m41NM63A008666 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K070070HQ8SQW00@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 May 2008 09:22:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K07009TJQ8J0440@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 May 2008 09:21:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:21:55 +1000 From: Jane Stockton In-reply-to: <20080501.075947.2536.0.Cley@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0K07009TKQ8J0440@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2008.5.1.160350 References: <20080501.075947.2536.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report='BLOGSPOT_URI 0.5, X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a643916d-85cd-47ed-8a7a-a047dc956eb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481A50D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 19:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 12:19 AM 2/05/2008, you wrote: >On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:18:45 -0500 "Catherine Kinsey" >writes: > > Pretty much everything that Jane said below :). > > > > I would add George W. Digby's "Elizabethan Embroidery (Faber & > > Faber, > > 1963) for a good broader perspective on blackwork and embroidery in > > the > > latter 16th C. > > > > Mamluk is a MUST! I don't have the titles in front of me but I > > think a > > couple of books by Kathleen Epstein/Staples touch on this too. > > > > Catherine > >It's my understanding that Thomas (?) Trevelon's book is being re-issued, >and it is an amazing--if pricey--source. I've looked at the Trevelyon copy I managed to talk my library into buying! It is very, very good. Great blackwork patterns for mens nightcaps, lots of "overall" patterns that could be adapted for coifs or other large area patterns. So it's a good source for patterns but not really context. >Jane Ashelford's book on Elizabethan dress (sorry, been up 5 minutes and >can't remember the title) is a wonderful source for the contexts of >embroidery. > >Arlys > >Arlys Cheers, Jane ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 03:29:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m427TGsL020677 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 03:29:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m427TBLt032571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 03:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m427SPOj086218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 01:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m427SN1U053715; Fri, 2 May 2008 01:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m427SKdk053623 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 01:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from conundrums@verizon.net) Received: from vms227.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.133]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K0800L7FCR3F951@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 May 2008 02:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.243.25.80 ([71.243.25.80]) by vms227.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 02:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 02:28:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Christine X-Originating-IP: [71.243.25.80] To: Historical Costume Message-id: <7643943.7238051209713295194.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume in NH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b2a36ba-308d-46e2-8f34-892435144982 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481AC2C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 05:00:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Now from the hype which is nothing it tells you nothing but I was told this is about a new machine. Pfaff which is now part of Husqvarna has the largest stitch out space on the market today. But I was pretty sure Husqvarna was not going to allow that to continue. The program now for Husqvarna is the 4D Edition. It came out last year and they have not said they are going to implement a new one soon. I think all of us who had the 3D and are just getting used to the 4D (Classes we waited for up to 6 months for and are still in the process of taking) so I can't wait to see what the new machine will do. My Designer SE is only 2 years old this April so if they have something that knocks my socks off, I might upgrade to the new machine. The 4D is very simple to you and it has a pretty large stitch out plus the continuing version. It is pretty simple to make up fonts and to make designs really, I have heard Generations is also very simple to use. Typically they will give you a trade in allowance for the new machine, I used my extremely old Pfaff and I got $1,500.00 off of the SE during the Mother's day sale. Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 13:51:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42Hp7tR014048 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42Hp1VR028621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42HnnL9035835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 11:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42Hni2b071952; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/Kfhvb2kIvYUl/Z9TfwGeO3x+NEhAPdUQ@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42HnfWe071890 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m42HnexN029347 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:49:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 10672 invoked by uid 80); 2 May 2008 17:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 13:51:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You folks are gems. I passed all the recommendations that came to me -- books, websites, and people -- to my colleague. She writes, "What a wealth of resources!---I do thank you and all of your friends for the references and input." She also says that beyond what she'll need for her paper, she's becoming interested in blackwork for its own sake, and is very glad for all the additional resources. Depending on what exactly makes it into the paper, there is a chance she will wish to cite individuals who assisted. If that happens, I will contact those people directly. I have saved all the e-mails. Jane, I've given her your contact information directly, since you offered it, and I think also that your website will be much more useful to her than she could have anticipated when she asked me for books. I add my own thanks to my friend's. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 14:33:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42IXrL7015310 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42IXkfk020979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 14:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42IU21W039239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 12:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42IU1XD014026; Fri, 2 May 2008 12:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42ITwhK013960 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 12:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rharperny@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y26so664173ele.16 for ; Fri, 02 May 2008 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.33.21 with SMTP id l21mr1482177rvj.140.1209752997854; Fri, 02 May 2008 11:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.136.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7ef177d20805021129t4051b007led1c2d327120c572@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:29:57 -0400 From: "Richard Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 177 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11bb5822-0db6-428e-9d90-d8ecc9154ecc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481B5E8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 14:33:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > > Delectable Mountain, in Brattleboro VT (snip) > My feeling was that the prices were out of my range and that of the > museum as well. I've hear that their client?le is doll clothes > makers. Yes, the stuff there (although delicious -- the proprietor has exquisite taste) is certainly not cheap. They do have (IIRC) two huge sales per year and that is when you need to shop to buy. It's not a sale in name only, either; I remember scoring several silks at what was approximately 50 - 60% their usual prices. They have (or did have; I'm going on rather old knowledge here) a mailing list and will mail you a postcard for these sales. If you're in the area, I highly recommend them. The store is always worth a visit for the inspiration. Richard in MI _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 15:30:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42JUOld017672 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:30:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42JUJ4f004015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42JTrMf048682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 13:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42JTopW073624; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m42JTlpH073563 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 4922 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 12:27:41 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4571, pid: 4916, t: 0.4551s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PF7M_dK1cfwA:10 a=EFWd1t_X6OkA:10 a=aphASmLiAAAA:8 a=cfLS2AKeoyZ7VYuIY6oA:9 a=hQNpgdPZMfSSo0MT7ZwA:7 a=gzEOdimFq8rCkLqHsk5pxmvePxkA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=SimKERJlMV7e6H_3fKEA:9 a=DeTbkRp9iajItEhR4qQA:7 a=wat-moS0Iac3Nu0o1wqf3j7FcQQA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 2 May 2008 12:27:40 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:26:13 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] New book from Oxbow Press: Dressing the Past X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6edd1876-5164-4b8d-97ab-547bde0a1690 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481B6BCB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 15:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I received the email from David Brown Book = Company today. It sounds like a fascinating book. Dressing the Past edited by Margarita Gleba, Cherine Munkholt and Marie-Louise Nosch Minoan ladies, Scythian warriors, Roman and = Sarmatian merchants, prehistoric weavers, gold = sheet figures, Vikings, Medieval saints and = sinners, Renaissance noblemen, Danish peasants, = dressmakers and Hollywood stars appear in the = pages of this anthology. This is not necessarily = how they dressed in the past, but how the authors = of this book think they dressed in the past, and = why they think so. No reader of this book will = ever look at a reconstructed costume in a museum = or at a historical festival, or watch a film with = a historic theme again without a heightened = awareness of how, why, and from what sources, the = costumes were reconstructed. The seventeen = contributors come from a variety of disciplines: = archaeologists, historians, curators with = ethnological and anthropological backgrounds, = designers, a weaver, a conservator and a scholar = of fashion in cinema, and are all specialists = interested in ancient or historical dress who = wish to share their knowledge and expertise with = students, hobby enthusiasts and the general = reader. The anthology is also recommended for use = in teaching students at design schools. 190, b/w = illus, 32p col illus. (Oxbow Books 2008) ISBN-13: 978-1-84217-269 Paperback. Publishers = price US $50.00, DBBC Price US $40.00 ISBN-10: 1-84217-269-7 Table of Contents Introduction by the Editors; Haute Couture in the = Bronze Age: A History of Minoan Female Costumes = from Thera (Marie-Louise B Nosch); You are What = You Wear: Scythian Costume as Identity (Margarita = Gleba); "On the Borders of East and West": A = Reconstruction of Roman Provincial and Barbarian = Dress in the Hungarian National Museum (Ilona = Hendzsel, Eszter Istv=E1novits, Val=E9ria Kulcs=E1r, = Dorottya Ligeti, Andrea =D3vari and Judit = P=E1szt=F2kai-Sze?ke); A Weaver's Voice: Making = Reconstructions of Danish Iron Age Textiles (Anna = N=F8rgaard); Iconography and Costume from the Late = Iron Age in Scandinavia (Ulla Mannering); Tools, = Textile Production and Society in Viking Age = Birka (Eva B Andersson); Spotlight on Medieval = Scandinavian Dress: Sources and Interpretations = (Kathrine Vestergaard Pedersen); Tailored = Criticism: The Use of Renaissance and Baroque = Garments as Sources of Information (Cecilia = Aneer); Costume in a Museological Context: = Dealing with Costume and Dress from Modern Danish = History (Tove Engelhardt Mathiassen and Helle = Leilund); Cut, Stitch and Fabrics: Female Dress = in the Past 200 Years (Maj Ringgaard); Ancient = Female Costume from Silent Cinema to Hollywood = Glamour (Annette Borrell); Timeline (Agnete Wisti Lassen). Here's the link to the book entry in the = catalog: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=3D80134&MID=3D25998 Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 16:11:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42KBexj018619 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:11:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42KBXEn010675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:11:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42K6jFQ052011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 14:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42K6iW6011946; Fri, 2 May 2008 14:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42K6dSm011779 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 14:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catdevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080502200630.MQZ2641.mta31.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:06:30 -0400 Received: from [24.205.12.33] by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080502200630.ZCGL4495.aarprv04.charter.net@[24.205.12.33]> for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <481B7449.7020905@alleycatscratch.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:06:33 -0700 From: Cat Devereaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Best time to buy a machine ( was Re: Husqvarna Viking Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68995821-932e-4b2d-83f6-032a450d2ddf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481B7575.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My favorite time to buy is always late summer / early fall at the County Fair. Find the sewing pavillian and be prepared to spend a while hanging out and testing. ALL the dealers will be there so you can cross compare machines. You can buy a demo machine at a great discount and often they have fab packages to go with. Sometimes you just "reserve" the demo and pick it up towards end of fair, sometimes you get it at that time. Do your research in advance... so you know a bit about if you're going for the latest model or just looking for a great deal. Warning.... while you get to look and see everything, you're also going to be working with their best sales folks. If you're going to be getting something on the top end.... unless you go in knowing the other prices... collect the info... and take a breather. At least get away from that area for a few hours. Better... overnight at least to do research on the web. Check the cost of the "extras" to see if you're getting a good deal on those too. (Most times you do, but sometimes...) If you're not buying the absolutely latest machine, confirm the price you're getting on the "older" model really is a deal. (Again, most times it's a steal... but occasionally hard-sell salesmen are dumping on commission.... if you come back with real prices... those prices will dump and you don't have to worry about getting it mail order.) The good thing: these machines are being demoed by real experts so you can really see everything they can do. Insist on a test drive. While the big guns are demoing... these machines are backed by a local sewing center. OK, in a really big city, "local" may be relative... but still you've got someone you can drive to. Often local dealers will give "free" lessons. (Note, the lessons, they're going to try and sell you more stuff while you go along... but if you buy the good foot pack at the show, you already have the extra feet.) One more warning... don't let them push you into overbuying what you need. You'll feel like a kid in a mega candy store... but if you're coming in for just a good sturdy sewing machine... (Viking), you don't need a lot of the funky bells and whistles, keep your head down and buy what you need and stick to your budget. Then again... if you are going for that new Viking Embroidery machine... hey, it's just your Christmas present for the next 3 years (or your next car)... and just enjoy. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 17:26:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42LQTtD020927 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42LQOGE015235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:26:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42LPtRf059923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 15:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42LPqAP092631; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m42LPo6X092480 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22947 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2008 21:25:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tiBB_4YVM1lbCpdPOgQgAWnJ9Qk07MWLUV9F4FVJcy8J2CgbgUBy4J2pGWG040YwjCxVBGaXbBpLwTWNa4_KW.tbDPiYuoXd2_7iuoqCtUG_2IvDhE2FXv2byPg- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 14:25:44 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48183B7302000014000E907C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <677657.22613.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12bfc9f4-995a-4a44-a791-b61965b42e2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481B8700.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks you all for your kind advice, I'll think I'll go into buying some of these booklets - even if they might not be exactly what I would like, they could be a good reference later:-) Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 17:41:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m42LfbJF022028 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:41:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42LfW00021653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m42LeqOr061044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 15:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42Lep0w006511; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m42LelWq006336 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 15:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3C912B1C2 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:40:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <481B9862.3050200@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:40:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <481B7449.7020905@alleycatscratch.com> In-Reply-To: <481B7449.7020905@alleycatscratch.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best time to buy a machine ( was Re: Husqvarna Viking Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cc29adb-64f9-4f7f-a432-ce402518aa96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481B8A8C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 May 2008 17:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cat Devereaux wrote: > My favorite time to buy is always late summer / early fall at the County > Fair. Find the sewing pavillian and be prepared to spend a while > hanging out and testing. However, some of the best deals are going on right now, in the weeks just before Mother's Day. Everybody wants you to buy a sewing machine for mom, and many models are on sale. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 2 22:19:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m432JXCU002740 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:19:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m432JSGV017302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m432J3El077860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 May 2008 20:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m432J022001062; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m432IuZK000984 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Lp431Z00C0cZkys5503o00; Sat, 03 May 2008 02:18:29 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LqJi1Z0053kY7qX3W00000; Sat, 03 May 2008 02:18:53 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6aydYE_NAAAA:8 a=jShTCUfFaHyATT6GkTwA:9 a=OqJKV7zzrrhOMxpn6aQzHQkdIPkA:4 a=_3nJN2eeWHAA:10 Message-ID: <481BCB5B.6080901@bovil.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:18:03 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbtours@cc26.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] CC26: The Lost Diaries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d1c4c9a-c3f5-47cd-b805-bd18704638a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481BCBB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you would like to read my Costume-Con 26 diaries, please check out andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 10:04:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43E4o1C017888 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:04:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43E4jvo018221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43E3BMO024099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 08:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43E38B5045641; Sat, 3 May 2008 08:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m43E354d045535 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 08:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12864 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2008 14:02:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ou7K5ssVM1k5H79QWqebY.GV8wk_xMPzX8zkhLpKqqBJKEEojZ55XrAHAC7b71KuITe3SnRmeAeRI0bT9oeeA5lYV17IySuXxsoxAg-- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2008 07:02:59 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <702312.11330.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Sewing and embroidery machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0796c49-c28f-4409-a7f2-b5ba157cb6f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481C70FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 10:04:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I have been following the discussion on embroidery machines and decided to chime in and suggest that you check out the Janome 110000 which is a TOL sewing/embroidery machine. If it seems like too many bells and whistles (for me it is, I am impressed but have no desire to purchase it); there is the 350E which is an embroidery only machine that takes software and has many of the capacities as a TOL but costs less money and, as with all the Janome embroidery machines, does not require a separate embroidery unit. The issue I have with the sewing / embroidery combos is that when a design is being stitched out, they really can't be stopped to use the sewing function. Bernina, Viking, Pfaff, Babylock, and Brother all have good quality embroidery machines as well. It is just good to see the different models, look at your budget and the value you can realize with each machine and, how easy--comfortable the machine seems to you. Also having dealer support and a place to go for classes and/or quick interventions when something seems to be going wrong. As for software, I am clueless. I have heard a Viking ind. educator advise to first buy the software that goes with your brand machine, learn that and then branch out to the independent ones. Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 13:43:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43HhTu6030342 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:43:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43HhNcx014739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:43:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43HgVRD039106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 11:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43HgSo9004977; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m43HgOho004856 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEB3J9KA3QQV7A for (sender ); Sat, 3 May 2008 10:42:01 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssmOBb5lu+zfpWjE2GcDVNZk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NJAL2LCZ; Sat, 03 May 2008 10:41:17 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20080503.104053.3000.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1626017658 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c14c565-5f69-4619-9806-e6b2e66d6859 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481CA43B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 13:43:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me with. How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did they wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible through a dress slit? Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) much thanks, Arlys, clueless in An Tir _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 14:39:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43IdSGf032242 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43IcrcF027302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43IaN2d043270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 12:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43IaLqT044870; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43IaIE9044737 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY117-W6 ([207.46.8.41]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.253.216.10] From: Nancy Kiel To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:36:13 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080503.104053.3000.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20080503.104053.3000.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2008 18:36:13.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[90574FA0:01C8AD4C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Darnley portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf81a763-5951-47ee-91f6-492d372d9e57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481CB13D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 14:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, I am writing to inquire if anyone can direct me to a close-up of the Darnley portrait of Queen Elizabeth. I am intrigued by the trim on the front but can't see it well enough to see how it's made. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 15:00:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43IxxFT000381 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:59:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43IxsN7022187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43Ix7mR045581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 12:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43Ix6BD062648; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43Ix2Hf062592 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98D992ED90 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:59:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20080503.104053.3000.0.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6fca41f2-a2f5-42c8-bf09-928e1ef7b252 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481CB62A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. Though here http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat%27s%20Soccaccia.html they seem to be on the outside. Late 1400s there are some paintings that show that the pouch is worn under the over garb and access was as with the pocket. 1. Take with grain o' salt as I have not thoroughly researched this. 2. Please note that this is not a SCA list and some here might not know what SCA is. :) 3. Have you asked on the Italian Ren yahoo groups list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/ De -----Original Message----- Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me with. How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did they wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible through a dress slit? Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) much thanks, Arlys, clueless in An Tir _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 15:08:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43J8MIs000623 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43J7VVi003625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43J6fBh046531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 13:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43J6fEV069125; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43J6cdG069085 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E5B63F406 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:06:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Darnley portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 754226c0-5961-4b9b-9cda-7b0102f30f18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481CB7F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _messenger_052008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 15:35:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43JZN2H001358 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43JZHIP021035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43JYqDc049603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 13:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43JYq68091271; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43JYmeZ091148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:1068 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JsNVK-0006n1-Lj for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:34:43 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080503203135.03843700@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:34:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Darnley portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51289412-9b85-429b-9cb2-4e2e595aa999 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481CBE76.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 15:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 20:06 03/05/2008, you wrote: >http://tinyurl.com/5uz2g9 >Click on picture to get a wee bit bigger. > >Are you talking about the orange Polish frogs or knot and loop closures? > >-----Original Message----- >Hello, > >I am writing to inquire if anyone can direct me to a close-up of the Darnley >portrait of Queen Elizabeth. I am intrigued by the trim on the front but >can't see it well enough to see how it's made. I seem to remember that Jean Hunnisett, who studied this portrait in great detail when making the costumes for "Elizabeth R", thought that the decoration was a piece of woven braid, looped at the front edge, (to take the button) sewn down and frayed to resemble tassels. It works very well if you do this, and is very similar to the painting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 18:44:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m43Mifo4012960 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:44:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m43MiZZ6028163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m43MhfSb063636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 16:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43MhcHR012874; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m43MhZ2O012803 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.be2.2b80bd67 (48552) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:44:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC26: The Lost Diaries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 168cfb16-5d7d-4e1e-9fa7-58af2515f27c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481CEAD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have never heard of such a thing! ;P Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 3 23:06:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4436GFc023072 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:06:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4436BXn023071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4434TnF077077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 May 2008 21:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4434QOY060125; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.uvm.edu (smtp1.uvm.edu [132.198.101.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4434MlB060075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-75-69-70-4.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.69.70.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.uvm.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4434FqA018716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:04:21 -0400 Message-ID: <481D2790.6050906@uvm.edu> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:03:44 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Macintosh/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 18th cent. pudding X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c72d477-092a-4afc-8323-3fcd29b5987e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481D2823.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 May 2008 23:06:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Another list has posted an excerpt from a 1794 letter discussing London = fashion and this question has come up: Does anyone know what the = "pudding" in the following excerpt refers to? I've begun to research it = but before I tread ground that may already be familiar to those more = knowledgeable about the period, it seemed best to ask. I've found = nothing obvious in the OED, have found references to pudding caps for = children, and have some ideas, but nothing concrete for this: "=85your Friend Mrs. Gosling has been obliged to put on the Cravat, but = all Bows are left off, for the Ladies either a very full Muslin plain = Stock with a larger Pudding, or the long cravats like your old one = twisted round the neck & fastened behind: this moment Maria has made her = appearance with the plain Stock but no pudding, she sais these are very = comfortable no ends to treble [/sic/: trouble] her, we are really much = entertained with her new appearance=85" - Hope ------------------ hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 02:09:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4469bPE000705 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:09:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4469Ule004169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:09:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4468sqj084687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4468ovU056212; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (adsl-76-220-87-86.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net [76.220.87.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4468lGL056190 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.Com) Received: from seam ([76.220.87.86]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:08:46 -0700 From: "Monie" To: References: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:08:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c8adad$4e18ba50$4301a8c0@seam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcirV3E3WizBr1V/Rbe0ZYr6OEWsBQCVSz4w In-Reply-To: X-hMailServer-Spam: YES X-hMailServer-Reason: Rejected by ORDB (76.220.87.86) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d80756f-818a-46a1-b2e6-7120e3cc9311 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481D531B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 08:43:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44ChnQ2030689 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:43:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44ChimV005499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:43:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44ChHZb004933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 06:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44ChEPf009097; Sun, 4 May 2008 06:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44Ch9n4009001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 06:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-166-190.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.166.190] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JsdYV-0002CM-Pi for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 May 2008 22:13:03 +0930 Message-ID: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:13:02 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7909fb1-1d1c-41aa-8a93-2c91e49243cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481DAF80.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:40:51 -0700 > From: Cynthia J Ley > Subject: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: Cley@juno.com > Message-ID: <20080503.104053.3000.0.Cley@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me with. > How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did they > wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible through a > dress slit? > > Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) > > much thanks, > Arlys, clueless in An Tir > > My pet theory is that noblewomen didn't wear pouches at all, not the way we seem to want to in the SCA. They didn't do their own shopping for the most part, and they didn't go anywhere without people to carry stuff for them, so why would they need them? They didn't have spare change/car keys/mobile phones etc that they needed to keep close to their persons. Similarly, if you were of a class where you might be going to the markets etc you'd probably have a basket with you, so you could just put your purse in that. There are very few instances where women are depicted wearing purses or pouches (they're a bit more common on men), apart from the 13th century, where we're usually told that this are almonieres (or some variant spelling), used for dispensing alms. This is not very handy, of course, if you do want somewhere to carry your car keys around. In which case I'm also rather fond of the 'worn under the gown, accessible through a pocket slit' approach. There is a certain amount of evidence for this, although not really Italian Renn. evidence. Claire/Angharad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 09:55:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44DtV4a000945 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:55:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44DtQhP006690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44Dsf6I008736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 07:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44DsdHi059098; Sun, 4 May 2008 07:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m44Dsao1059021 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 07:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEB5R9XAQWADMJ for (sender ); Sun, 4 May 2008 06:53:57 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsskyp8NCw6QlvFdpeMFgtXno= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NJCSDE76; Sun, 04 May 2008 06:53:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20080504.065213.3216.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 18:9:4205438508 X-MAIL-INFO: 5543a78343e387a79b37e387ef17479e0f47cf0fd7ce02bbced79f1f23af23bf7f2f232e1afb0e83bbb74a9a8af34a6b93cb6aea3e37e3af87af77138717aada1a97aabe2aaa1af74aee9aab73d7dbab5bdf7f3a8ade8b738a1eee8fbf2ebf2e4b4e4bba3b4be33b376b8eb3d70afe0a3f2b0fd74767bb7a2f23130a4e8fa71fd32be367434e2f2e2f5a1f830ee333773e372ebaa7ba7eaf5ed3be07af074a8ea36ea327ceeb27cee7d7cee7af4aabfa8a1bca5bfa8b9a6fcaea8b2b17b78b1e0b938e4b8e9e7ae7aece8ed7 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76894015-759b-4e85-95e5-e635936aaf8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481DC04F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 09:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! That is exactly what I needed! :-) Arlys On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:59:13 -0500 "otsisto" writes: > If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. > http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg > To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is > believed that > the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where > the > pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt > would > be hiked up for access. Though here > http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat%27s%20Soccaccia.html > they seem to be on the outside. > Late 1400s there are some paintings that show that the pouch is worn > under > the over garb and access was as with the pocket. > > 1. Take with grain o' salt as I have not thoroughly researched this. > 2. Please note that this is not a SCA list and some here might not > know what > SCA is. :) > 3. Have you asked on the Italian Ren yahoo groups list? > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/ > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me > with. > How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did > they > wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible > through a > dress slit? > > Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) > > much thanks, > Arlys, clueless in An Tir > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 14:17:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44IHMYE012252 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:17:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44IHHEw025564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44IGn0t027164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 12:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IGkJ9055868; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IGhZK055821 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6AFE3B168 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:16:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4002a2ae-fe93-4e67-85c5-123b0f7210f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481DFDAD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551&idx=10&fromsearch=tru e http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 14:33:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44IXrRW013186 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44IXlW7027782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:33:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44IXVOi028357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 12:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IXVq9067349; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IXRSj067235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2406 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jsj1W-0003Wk-2u for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:33:22 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 19:33:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a409c96-3fee-48ab-a899-b33a2780d202 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481E018C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 14:47:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44IlXOl013918 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:47:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44IlSaJ003909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44IlGnp029280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 12:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IlEKw076437; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44IlBkp076407 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13F1E3B1B9 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:47:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d554561-c380-40d4-9857-0dbdc81ec4e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481E04C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not a bad theory but it does have a wee bit o' problem with it. Though I am sure that the probability of most noble women in the Italian States had the merchant come to them (early rendition of the home shopping network. :) ), probably from time to time they went out to shop. For the big expenditures they would probably have had to have their sponse or head of household send the money and make the final sale or if they were the head (widow, courtesan, lady of the evening, etc..)they would make arrangements. Even so, I believe that they would have to carry some money for emergencies, on the spot small transactions therefore they would need a pouch of a sorts. As for putting a pouch in a basket...well....that is asking for it to be stolen. From paintings it would appear that people liked to keep their money close and a basket is not close enough. :) They may not have carried cell phones and the modern stuff normally carried in a purse but there were probably small items carried. This statement is mostly based on the early 1500s "German" multi-pocket purse. Most times when I have heard someone say that a woman is wearing an alms pouch in the picture (even if it does not look like an alms pouch) it is based on what they have been told "that women do not wear pouches" Perhaps there are few paintings with women wearing pouches is that it is probably under thier skirts. IMO, I have seen enough Italian paintings from the Renaissance that gives me the impression that the pouch under at least the out garment was a common practice, even for the noble woman. Again, I have not done any strong research in this area so it is more conjecture then hard fact. De aka in SCA: Delis Alms (Calontir)(Friese) or (alt)Fiordelisia Dragano da Parma (N. Italia) (alt)Arian verch Gwydion (Wales) (alt) Sandrine D'Avalon (Burgundy) (alt) Audaelfr Almsveig (Norse) -----Original Message----- My pet theory is that noblewomen didn't wear pouches at all, not the way we seem to want to in the SCA. They didn't do their own shopping for the most part, and they didn't go anywhere without people to carry stuff for them, so why would they need them? They didn't have spare change/car keys/mobile phones etc that they needed to keep close to their persons. Similarly, if you were of a class where you might be going to the markets etc you'd probably have a basket with you, so you could just put your purse in that. There are very few instances where women are depicted wearing purses or pouches (they're a bit more common on men), apart from the 13th century, where we're usually told that this are almonieres (or some variant spelling), used for dispensing alms. This is not very handy, of course, if you do want somewhere to carry your car keys around. In which case I'm also rather fond of the 'worn under the gown, accessible through a pocket slit' approach. There is a certain amount of evidence for this, although not really Italian Renn. evidence. Claire/Angharad _ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 14:49:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44InwMZ014054 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:49:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44InptO010573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:49:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44Inen3029452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 12:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44Ine89077915; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44InaU1077871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.226] (dial-209-148-99-226.sonic.net [209.148.99.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m44InYds013023 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <481E053E.4@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:49:34 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003601c8adad$4e18ba50$4301a8c0@seam> In-Reply-To: <003601c8adad$4e18ba50$4301a8c0@seam> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a1d9d34-9091-4765-8965-fd167711f59a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481E054F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 14:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I joined the Viking Designer SE group on Yahoo and some people there, as well as on h-costume, gave me a lot of info. The new TOL (top-of-the-line) Viking machine coming out in June is widely rumored to have the same large embroidery field as the latest TOL Pfaff, which if true would make the Viking the machine of choice for me. People are also saying that new Viking models always have a variety of software and sometimes hardware bugs that need to be worked out. For the software bugs and some new features, you download software fixes yourself. For the hardware bugs, you have to take the machine back to your dealer. San Francisco itself seems to have a shortage of Viking dealers. People have recommended a good dealer in Sunnyvale, and another one in Marin County. Those are places I can get to but not conveniently enough to want to do it a lot, plus there is the time issue of dealing with the upgrades/fixes. I can do it, but I have a computer to keep updated as it is. Anyway, people are saying that unless you are burning to have the new model right away, it is wise to wait awhile, anywhere from 4 1/2 months to a year. The time recommended seems to depend on your level of optimism, the machine, and what you hear about its problems from early adopters. When buying computer software and hardware my philosophy has always been to wait for a fairly stable version. So I think I will wait maybe six months, depending on what I hear about any problems with the new model. Many people say it is handy to have two machines, one set up for embroidery and one for sewing, and also to sew on one machine while the other embroiders. So I think I will keep my old Viking as long as it continues to work well. I have not found in the past that trade-ins really take that much off the price of the new machine. There is, BTW, a surprising number of people who not only love the TOL Vikings but own two identical ones at once, which they keep upgrading to the latest and greatest, and a TOL serger in addition. I suppose if you did a large amount of machine embroidery it might make sense to have two machines embroidering away. My husband and I have been planning to buy a larger house for a couple of years at least, a project that keeps getting derailed by the fact that he's been working 60 hours a week for years. However, although I already have a sewing room all across the back of the house, it's not large enough to put another machine in, considering the stacks of books all over the floor. So one thing I will get is a larger sewing room. Both my parents died fairly recently and I have to decide if, among other things, I want to take my mother's antique treadle cabinet as part of my share of the estate. I already have an antique treadle cabinet with the fold-out panel that my parents bought me years ago. I took the machine out and had the cabinet fixed up as a solid tabletop and put my Viking on top of it. My father fixed up my mother's cabinet the same way, for her to put her machine on. I love these cabinets and the fold-out panels but, are the machines with the big embroidery fields too large to fit on the surface, especially if I want the fold-out to be available to support long skirts while I am sewing on them? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Pfaff currently has the largest hoop; however there is a new machine on the > horizon and Husqvarna is coming out with in June, so we have to see what > that is!! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 15:21:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44JLnRC015663 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44JLick010330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44JLOAv031651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 13:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44JLMCd001207; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m44JLHx4001155 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29871 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 12:21:17 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28512, pid: 29868, t: 0.1854s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TTvT-SfQAAAA:8 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=Qb3GXcRKe3tylvN0MmgA:9 a=hPHCorThboLC16rNAxpCzKfaJvEA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=ypGuMi9traUA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 4 May 2008 12:21:17 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:16:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22292b45-a300-4da7-9b7b-bc9256151bde X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481E0CC8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 15:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 11:33 AM 5/4/2008, you wrote: >At 19:17 04/05/2008, you wrote: > > >Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. > >http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551&idx=10&fromsearch=tru > >e > > > >http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d > > > >De > > >This is the frame I measured and copied for the Gable headdress I >made for Museum of London's new Medieval Gallery. > >Suzi Are you able to share the dimensions of the frame and the approximate gauge of the wire? I saw that the MOL page did not include any measurements. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 16:09:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44K9hue019798 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:09:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44K9cT1009690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44K9LsX034189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 14:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44K9KwW030790; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44K9His030693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2481 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JskWG-0000sz-2C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:09:12 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080504210730.03862e40@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:09:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> References: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95f619a5-b5e2-4d7f-bf5b-b30b78a35b60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481E1802.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 16:09:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 20:16 04/05/2008, you wrote: >At 11:33 AM 5/4/2008, you wrote: > >At 19:17 04/05/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. > > >http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551&idx=10&fro > msearch=tru > > >e > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d > > > > > >De > > > > > >This is the frame I measured and copied for the Gable headdress I > >made for Museum of London's new Medieval Gallery. > > > >Suzi > >Are you able to share the dimensions of the frame and the approximate >gauge of the wire? I saw that the MOL page did not include any measurements. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net I will have to look up my notes - I did not measure the gauge of the wire - I used some wire I had in stock as no-one would ever see the underneath, and it had to be extremely solid as it was a handling piece. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 16:54:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44Ks8CW022912 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44Ks34c009971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44Kntmr036476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 14:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44Knr2R055454; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44Kno9Q055379 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MYPW1Z00E16AWCUA701F00; Sun, 04 May 2008 20:49:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MYpe1Z0033kY7qX8S00000; Sun, 04 May 2008 20:49:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aVMWwxpMAAAA:8 a=g5y0h8xQaBhfC8sg1h8A:9 a=8sPAvOlvTawOJHCjFwML6Rp5X50A:4 a=FEaNhf3AWQsA:10 Message-ID: <481E215F.1070204@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:49:35 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003601c8adad$4e18ba50$4301a8c0@seam> <481E053E.4@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <481E053E.4@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5f3b5de-ea7d-4466-8082-fa091afcd4c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481E226B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 16:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > San Francisco itself seems to have a shortage of Viking dealers. People > have recommended a good dealer in Sunnyvale, and another one in Marin > County. Those are places I can get to but not conveniently enough to > want to do it a lot, plus there is the time issue of dealing with the > upgrades/fixes. I can do it, but I have a computer to keep updated as it > is. If you're going to have to leave the city and are considering shops in the South Bay, I'm partial to Viking Sewing Center (Lincoln Avenue in Willow Glen/San Jose and East Estate in Cupertino ). We just ran all of our machines through service there. Their technician is just superb, he even got my '54 Elna Supermatic back up to snuff (it's a first-year Supermatic and has some design flaws solved in later versions). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 17:28:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44LSoJZ025215 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:28:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44LSiTA006682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44LSIPq038810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 15:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44LSHN9079085; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44LSDgT079012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:3218 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jslke-0005Pa-07 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 May 2008 16:28:08 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080504222534.038590d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:27:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> References: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8786b3b-8cb3-4fc6-b80d-62754dd77d8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481E2A8C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 20:16 04/05/2008, you wrote: >At 11:33 AM 5/4/2008, you wrote: > >At 19:17 04/05/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. > > >http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551&idx=10&fro > msearch=tru > > >e > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d > > > > > >De > > > > > >This is the frame I measured and copied for the Gable headdress I > >made for Museum of London's new Medieval Gallery. > > > >Suzi > >Are you able to share the dimensions of the frame and the approximate >gauge of the wire? I saw that the MOL page did not include any measurements. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net I cannot find my original notes, but have the file I wrote when making the headdress - would that be of use? I do remember the "legs" were not the same length, and neither were the two bits that went to the point. In other words it was very crooked, and there was no way of knowing if that was the original bend, or if someone had "mended" it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 18:57:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m44MvGrV029529 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m44MvBak020203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m44MujpT043963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 16:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44Muhk9029069; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m44MufYG029006 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W18 ([65.55.138.53]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 4 May 2008 15:56:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:56:35 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080504222534.038590d8@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <001801c8ade4$6427ae50$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <7.0.1.0.2.20080504193015.03855c70@suziclarke.co.uk> <200805041921.m44JLHx4001155@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080504222534.038590d8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2008 22:56:36.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AF6D7A0:01C8AE3A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wire frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0d57013-74e0-418b-b2b7-56f625f3d589 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481E3F47.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I use the heaviest gauge of millinery wire for mine. I am talking about the sort of headdress you see in Holbein's Wife of an English Burgher. There is a photo somewhere in one of my books of a frame (I think it was for a collar support) wrapped with fine thread. It makes sewing the fabric to it much easier! Sg> I cannot find my original notes, but have the file I wrote when > making the headdress - would that be of use? I do remember the "legs" > were not the same length, and neither were the two bits that went to > the point. In other words it was very crooked, and there was no way > of knowing if that was the original bend, or if someone had "mended" it.> > Suzi> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 21:37:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m451bD6X004915 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:37:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m451b8YC021124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m451aaDR056329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 19:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m451aYfN027063; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-3.unl.edu (wm-imp-3.unl.edu [129.93.2.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m451aUZx027017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m451aTdW016886 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:36:29 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 20:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:36:29 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: h-costume@mail.indra.com References: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c21c30cd-e5b2-4a6e-ad8b-ea0d6a2ab72b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481E64C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 21:37:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 21:51:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m451poiB005978 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:51:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m451pitC010666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m451oWeq057523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 19:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m451oWia035886; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m451oTue035815 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MVKM1Z0060mlR8UA40cf00; Mon, 05 May 2008 01:50:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mdps1Z0094jAXBL8X00000; Mon, 05 May 2008 01:49:53 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cghzYpQdUCEA:10 a=lwlfhG7Y930A:10 a=gBYEjI3UAAAA:8 a=9EN13qCWOpGRNNxXJGIA:9 a=wimYkWVMM9KA4XGEil4PSG6wusEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=RYj-WN2anCfQfGjYw48A:9 a=06q11CooWDb47Am_OkAA:7 a=VuK2VXYIvEkGze14ds7CAMcGwtkA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> References: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> Message-Id: From: Margo Anderson Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:49:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2976e7da-24a4-40f8-a567-1ef85f47dfc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481E6830.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 21:51:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I find it hard to believe that they would have applied trim like that. My best guess is that the skirt is too big for the child and the front openings were folded back on themselves, but why they would do that for a formal portrait is beyond me. Who knows, there's probably some terribly important symbology in it. It also looks like the child is wearing a linen smock with a band of blackwork embroidery, no forepart or petticoats, which I haven't seen before. Margo On May 4, 2008, at 6:36 PM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 22:08:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45281tA007322 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4527eLI014242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:07:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4527MrW058703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 20:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4527LuW046336; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:07:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [67.18.103.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4527JTB046294 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 15399 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 02:14:26 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 02:14:26 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53141) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jsq6k-0007nr-Cd; Sun, 04 May 2008 21:07:14 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 22:07:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20080504220713.z07u12sxes0k0wo8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:07:13 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37e5b389-0358-43ff-a046-75128e23279d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481E6BEC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 22:07:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting 00217146@bigred.unl.edu: > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg > > What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist > decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? > Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? > Somewhere, I seem to remember a discussion about this painting, and one of the suggestions/comments was that that wasn't *trim* but it was like chains/strings hanging from the waist. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 22:11:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m452BBLs007453 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:11:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m452B6C6015614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m452Arht058927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 20:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m452AqNA048555; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m452Aol0048466 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 44941 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2008 02:10:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TVc6umoVM1mCsoOQWAGDXZcVI9Mf5EPjXyXxijgbG_iMYbsHbBuSkYX7_3NgNNlxDDU3USS6xCIZSwHp4CwfpjqPMpEYwXvnVc72IBVyPs32acA71Lee_rvryg-- Received: from [121.45.16.177] by web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 19:10:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <662862.44863.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 22:11:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: "00217146@bigred.unl.edu" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?<<<<< I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 22:18:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m452IASd007759 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:18:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m452I5ts019128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m452GULm059340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 20:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m452GTsU052183; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m452GR5q052149 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2E838058 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:17:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805042217.04908.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03972ec7-e024-43f3-9acc-04b6b447e8dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481E6E5D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 04 May 2008, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg > > What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist > decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? > Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the second half of her skirt. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 22:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m452gDRN008711 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:42:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m452g8HW007611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 22:42:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m452fOCC061185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 20:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m452fMFN068231; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m452fKPC068146 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MeQM1Z00217UAYkA300w00; Mon, 05 May 2008 02:37:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MehD1Z00G4jAXBL8Z00000; Mon, 05 May 2008 02:41:14 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cghzYpQdUCEA:10 a=lwlfhG7Y930A:10 a=h03O4Tt4O27A1n2qNrQA:9 a=VyLy3MXjHWtfVnGvTDaO-QwtCSkA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <662862.44863.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <662862.44863.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <580C9FFA-476A-4450-85BF-74D7057034AF@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:40:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d04c1f4f-be06-47e5-bfb4-eb8c176be25a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481E7400.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 May 2008 22:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 4, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Bella wrote: > > I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like > an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked > handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. D'oh! I see it now. :) Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 4 23:13:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m453D7X9010373 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:13:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m453D1Nr018791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:13:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m453CZEx063347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 May 2008 21:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m453CYBS088074; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m453CVh3088032 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2170938058 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:13:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805042313.09883.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Sale on "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9693fb35-4440-4d2a-9d16-8302d27526be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481E7B3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 02:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These >> medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What >> is >> the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a >> cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed >> that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many >> times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or >> three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet >> around each medallion. Claire, Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used interchanged. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 04:13:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m458D5Bf016631 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:13:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m458D0m3010743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:13:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m458CdiO079379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 02:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458CbkI082378; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:12:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458CXKd082317 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JsvoF39Fd-0003Cp; Mon, 05 May 2008 04:12:33 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c8ae87$8be52f50$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590804301242v1641c84ue80788e83b944d31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 04:10:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JrZGldR0NFVkmUOgd4IxEHv8xSCnoWfOGKmd AsaN+lls6xaTqog0QGgxkOnRmS0s8vTKMfK2J3Mbu2FQuGOqBW uS3tJJnbwbC2CMx50oc4Q== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] scanning large format items Was:How Many Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c252c88-bea1-4b3e-87a1-616abd8a8e8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481EC18C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 04:13:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Many thanks to everyone for the suggestions about scanning oversized items. I am checking with the college Library to see if they have an extra large scanner bed. If they don't I am checking with the school of arts. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 04:34:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m458Y5HA020358 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:34:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m458Xx2J030829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m458XYeu080376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 02:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458XXuJ095773; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458XTvH095741 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1Jsw8V3Nqr-0003Rt; Mon, 05 May 2008 04:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c8ae8a$78a8fe00$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003901c8a699$fbe0f410$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 04:31:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18u5r96eGg1KRvArR/LDJKFCMpYjVz99BUQZb/ EF6gEqGmusjSelr7BtaveA8k3GEuDiTGz/n1hwnZGwH0RIey2G hQ6PG944GqbqIJEEmJZiw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching Up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60ed848f-70d3-4427-b477-e3fa3313d0a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481EC677.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 04:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One more time...Rebecca suggested lattice crochet. I found this example of a lattice bookmark: http://www.yarncat.com/mybookmark.html . This example does look like what is on the dress. But other images that I found on http://www.crochetpatterncentral.com/search.php look kinda like the pattern but not as much as the fillet pattern. Are both these patterns similar? Which would be the proper term to call the pattern on the dress? I am so confused. Does anyone know the website to change your membership status for the historic needlework email list? I know there are h-costumers that are on h-needlework. I changed to no mail when I was out of town, and lost my email with directions to change back my status to receiving mail. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 04:45:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m458jHfH022244 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:45:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m458jCSR031032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m458eLv6080858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 02:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458eLFI000710; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458eHx0000658 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080505084016.FSMJ26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:40:16 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080505084016.HNHG28187.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:40:16 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:40:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Mon, 5 May 2008 10:40:15 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ca7ce3a-3cdb-4cad-a106-da813e27df02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481EC918.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 04:45:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? Very happy if anybody could help. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 04:45:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m458jowR022293 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:45:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m458jjSs004513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m458jSwV081136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 02:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458jStA004324; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458jOHC004286 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080505084523.FTCF26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:45:23 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080505084523.HLJH6737.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:45:23 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c8ae8c$5a4d9ef0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002501c8a818$c854eef0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <002b01c8ae7b$9975be20$6401a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:45:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Mon, 5 May 2008 10:45:23 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ea37154-12ae-4c56-bae0-2fb8c88333b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481EC939.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 04:45:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is not crotched. Its needle lace Penny, if you look at the right corner above the medallions, you can see some round loops on each center bar. Either this, or it could be a combination of crotched and needlelace. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up >>> 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These >>> medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What >>> is >>> the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a >>> cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed >>> that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so >>> many >>> times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two >>> or >>> three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet >>> around each medallion. > > Claire, > Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the > medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several > websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet > and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used > interchanged. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 04:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m458r5jL023009 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:53:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m458r03b021157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m458qnd2081687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 02:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458qn5t009765; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m458qkOW009683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:1638 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JswR6-0006oV-HU for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 May 2008 03:52:41 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:52:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c3efda6-7f71-44cf-9e2e-9136d4b4710a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481ECAEC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 04:53:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 09:40 05/05/2008, you wrote: >I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could >also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. >I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted >here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. >I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. >Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? >Very happy if anybody could help. > >Bjarne Try here - even if you don't like anything, it's a beautiful site, and the lady is so helpful. http://www.hyenaproductions.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=6 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 05:10:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m459AcFZ025304 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:10:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4599Wqh009724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:09:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4599FXq082988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 03:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4599F1b021918; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4599Ceq021869 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Jswh504Yp-0002KS; Mon, 05 May 2008 05:09:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006e01c8ae8f$7665d280$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002501c8a818$c854eef0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><002b01c8ae7b$9975be20$6401a8c0@momlaptop> <001d01c8ae8c$5a4d9ef0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:07:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+M5c/n+mhNs2avEWl1iCPAa598r/pTK9K6jJx Ss6eSAe/4k+RFlb09IgvHJqWj19UEALksxWmF8Xu+ioLcNxA1K JfQqzlY9QoVxQTvSAB9QA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481ECECC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 05:10:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 05:11:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m459BXDR025444 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:11:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m459BNTW006642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:11:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m459B2US083087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 03:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m459B2U3023210; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4599fs9022194 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080505090940.FLNT7364.fep53.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:09:40 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080505090940.HOCK28187.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:09:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c8ae8f$be9325d0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:09:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Mon, 5 May 2008 11:09:39 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481ECF3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 05:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Suzi, I know Hyena, and i have had things from them before, but i dont find what i am looking for here. Thanks anyway! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade > At 09:40 05/05/2008, you wrote: >>I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could >>also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. >>I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted >>here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. >>I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. >>Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? >>Very happy if anybody could help. >> >>Bjarne > > > Try here - even if you don't like anything, it's a beautiful site, > and the lady is so helpful. > > http://www.hyenaproductions.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=6 > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 05:14:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m459E436025803 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:14:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m459DwQL007983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:14:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m459Dd1f083220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 03:13:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m459DbUb024975; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m459DYpr024880 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1056 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2008 09:13:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1Vc9g44VM1mRpkLm9yfgV8GWuV30TAnoA2arjM.58TcRu8jBQFsPcl25M9aw2clxjyVAMV6KG9Prp.ylUiswrn88iuWQcrL9PopJeOLzHtW4JpgCQ9a2sp6W5n8- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 May 2008 02:13:28 PDT Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <679430.860.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 803a1085-9e83-496b-9444-d278d83088b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481ECFD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 05:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find anything... 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 06:56:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45AumbW010737 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:56:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45AugFm027962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45AomVR088816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 04:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45Aokh1094845; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45AofW6094793 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 04:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080505105040.FJQL23927.fep52.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:50:40 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080505105040.EEVL26322.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:50:40 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c8ae9d$db2ce470$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <679430.860.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:50:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Mon, 5 May 2008 12:50:40 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 025c237e-c1ee-4bd1-91b1-e713d897c357 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481EE7EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 06:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Zuzana, Thankyou for the big favour, but i think it would be two much to ask. I only need one skirt height as i want to fake the underskirt and only have the front part in the real brokade. Rest of the dress is black. So it would be two much to ask you for such a little quantity. Also the underskirt is decorated with gold braid in the front, wich i think is a shame, but it was the fashion i guess. Therefore the pattern of the fabric dont has to be so authentic as possible. The whole buisiness in trying to recreate such a dress, has almost made me give up the whole buisiness. The lace i baught from England wich is a reproduktion of a reticella lace is ideal, but it is two big and clumsy, not at all as fine as the portrait. And besides this the research and looking for the right materials, is really time consuming, the museum cant pay me for all the research, i think i might give it up after all. Bjarne ---- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade > We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister > buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any > red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go > shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. > > Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find > anything... > > Zuzana > www.sartor.cz > Note: this shop is quite new, so there's almost nothing in it and almost > no proper historical dresses - I'm working on it and hope to add some more > interesting items during the summer. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 08:29:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45CTJGG020095 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:29:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45CTDl8006148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:29:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45CSOtf095613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 06:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45CSMLQ066534; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m45CSJVa066443 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54359 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2008 12:28:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RDBzQgUVM1kmi2eZhl.PjxKYRUwiWawQ5c6woB66lqgfMUUrCxN3RKBp11QDhLWqEgBKX2KKsselMhBm3Z9gJKoaX5KR5Mg_V_vz4iXzlmVMJLqZkcGoOd0n_8A- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 May 2008 05:28:14 PDT Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001a01c8ae9d$db2ce470$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <256129.52783.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab4cae20-3961-4bfa-a75b-3ac13be2fe65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481EFD99.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 08:29:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, that can happen...the research and everything around is so time consuming that it's not worth the money you get for it...it often happens to me...and I do it just because it's a kind of a hobby... Well, we won't go and search, but if we stumbled on something we might let you know:-) Zuzana Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Hi Zuzana, Thankyou for the big favour, but i think it would be two much to ask. I only need one skirt height as i want to fake the underskirt and only have the front part in the real brokade. Rest of the dress is black. So it would be two much to ask you for such a little quantity. Also the underskirt is decorated with gold braid in the front, wich i think is a shame, but it was the fashion i guess. Therefore the pattern of the fabric dont has to be so authentic as possible. The whole buisiness in trying to recreate such a dress, has almost made me give up the whole buisiness. The lace i baught from England wich is a reproduktion of a reticella lace is ideal, but it is two big and clumsy, not at all as fine as the portrait. And besides this the research and looking for the right materials, is really time consuming, the museum cant pay me for all the research, i think i might give it up after all. Bjarne ---- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade > We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister > buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any > red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go > shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. > > Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find > anything... > > Zuzana > www.sartor.cz > Note: this shop is quite new, so there's almost nothing in it and almost > no proper historical dresses - I'm working on it and hope to add some more > interesting items during the summer. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 08:44:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45CidkT020706 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:44:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45CiYX5009625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45Ci7mp096693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 06:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45Ci6mb078716; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45Ci4GI078572 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@staff.washjeff.edu) Received: from 209.131.83.40 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A10E02D0; Mon, 05 May 2008 08:43:58 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 12:43:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "R Lloyd Mitchell" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_U3PUTHEGNIIMA9AFB5A5" Message-Id: <200805050843602.SM04944@[209.131.83.40]> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f77db4a-1568-4725-aeff-2d698b871b6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F0132.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 08:44:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --------------Boundary-00=_U3PUTHEGNIIMA9AFB5A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too think this is an illusion; an artist's attempt at=C2=A0 painting a = realistic pose that shows what happens to the clothing when a child is = being held. Most other paintings from earlier times are more concerned = with content and meaning and not with pictoral renderings that try to = duplicate the image of the sitters. Kathleen= --------------Boundary-00=_U3PUTHEGNIIMA9AFB5A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------Boundary-00=_U3PUTHEGNIIMA9AFB5A5-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 08:44:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45Cilg7020714 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:44:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45CiZUT003777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:44:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45Bi8iH092576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 05:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45Bi7LB032953; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.89]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m45Bi3cN032857 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 51017 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 11:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.232.122?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.45.232.122 with plain) by smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 11:43:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g7elHQ8VM1lANaaDNyHqPlHMegw5_PRuNpkYCByNtRjE0vxgtrZ7mBB0XJYdy0wb9hT015fcnQejAHUcWcZyTOdwJfN1hUtMsnoLy_464KZU_MVwBkkH9g8awb9rQPw6vYw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <662862.44863.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <662862.44863.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <02D8C407-0928-4BE1-8487-417F24DD0FBA@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:45:24 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84f9b52c-1e1b-4223-af7f-ebb00214c3a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481F0133.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 08:44:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 4, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Bella wrote: > > I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like > an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked > handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. Yes, it's a muckinder. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 08:58:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45Cwe61021331 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:58:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45CwYZe027644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45CwJqO098009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 06:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45CwIfL090075; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45CwFEb089971 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.caa.29d7d8f8 (30738) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:58:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a61da08-4363-41dd-8abb-95a34f16951c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481F047A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 08:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anybody have any idea where I might be able to get hold of a decent weight silk (or silk and cotton) ottoman, grosgrain, or otherwise corded (not striped silk in a dark red colour? Have tried the usuals (henry bertrand, james hare, etc, etc) and come up blank so far. Any suggestions? Needs to be UK or mail order. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 09:18:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45DI2mx022077 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45DHsSr031229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45DHbR2000152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 07:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45DHbLY005539; Mon, 5 May 2008 07:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45DHXkZ005426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 07:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2235 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jt0ZL-0005vL-L3 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 May 2008 08:17:28 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080505141442.03872ab0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:16:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <200805042217.04908.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200805021929.m42JTlpH073563@net.indra.com> <20080504203629.54wa8a0eg4oowsoc@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> <200805042217.04908.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d2f132e-f434-4e19-87fa-bc59a1893467 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F0902.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:17 05/05/2008, you wrote: >On Sunday 04 May 2008, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg > > > > What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist > > decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? > > Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? > > >I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half >of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the >second half of her skirt. I see the muckinder, but surely the trim is still not right if the top and bottom are meant to match? On the right side facing us, there are two rows of trim missing, if it's meant to match, in my opinion? I love the whole outfit though - sooo grownup! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 11:04:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45F4QmA026446 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:04:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45F4KE3003484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:04:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45F3wN4009869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 09:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45F2Evn001525; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45F2Bhd001408 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mq0R1Z00U1GXsucA403M00; Mon, 05 May 2008 15:02:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mr251Z00A4jAXBL8T00000; Mon, 05 May 2008 15:02:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RhjDcbzCscB7ckHbi-8A:9 a=rJMr4tylFwVz8sepCtsHZZ1H8jcA:4 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-Id: <59E89FA1-5353-4F55-AB21-BB4688FE0916@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:01:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe3af0ef-8cd2-4842-8aa1-da1eb10a1dd1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F21F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 11:04:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could >> also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. >> I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted >> here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. >> THANK YOU! I've been looking for a red miniature Renaissance brocade for almost ten years! Now I can finish the Ditchley Doll! Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 11:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45FJPEw027379 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:19:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45FJIlL029598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45FJ5Cd011731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 09:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45FHOUr018397; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45FHLlA018267 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080505151716.SSUH24465.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id MrHF1Z0032wVAe002rHFkQ; Mon, 05 May 2008 11:17:15 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c8aec3$18827e00$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> Thread-Index: AchlV2RWxASB7QG5RhKnCfSKIEmVHBJaunYg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e13aad1-de3d-41f8-8c66-11e504f4005d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481F2576.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Margaret, I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner but everything was in chaos when I go back from London. We lost one cat to cancer and almost lost another to hyperthyroidism. All is much improved now. Anyway, I looked in several stores and was unable to find anyplace in London or Colchester that sold Pearsall's. We even went online and the only place that had any was in Wales. It would need to be mail ordered. I even went to a place here in Va. Beach that as supposed to carry it and they did not. The only other place I could find was also online but nobody carries the spools. I suspect that you got some vintage silk that is no longer made. Sorry I was no successful. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of margaret Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone now and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 11:42:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45FgqwX028893 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:42:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45FgkDn027168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45FgRjH014348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 09:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45FejSR044042; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:40:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45Fegvd043890 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080505154038.TDNR24465.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:40:38 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Mrgc1Z00W2wVAe002rgc63; Mon, 05 May 2008 11:40:37 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> <001b01c8aec3$18827e00$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c8aec6$5be597b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <001b01c8aec3$18827e00$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Thread-Index: AchlV2RWxASB7QG5RhKnCfSKIEmVHBJaunYgAAD8aCA= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f2b1756-e15f-42ff-9391-d37f1270e22c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481F2AF6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 11:47:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45FlRQI029063 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:47:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45FlMqC003855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45FlCNO014860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 09:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45FjUJt049454; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45FjRCZ049289 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c21.21ee7f1f (32913) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:44:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f96d29ad-8344-48f3-b6a7-2fccfa70ab0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481F2C0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 12:09:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45G9DLb030100 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:09:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45G93qV020828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:09:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45G8jeu017018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 10:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45G73wO072609; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45G71pa072578 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so598271ana.65 for ; Mon, 05 May 2008 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.5.16 with SMTP id 16mr7842516ane.102.1210003621176; Mon, 05 May 2008 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm600852qba.31.2008.05.05.09.06.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 May 2008 09:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002801c8aeca$63f11570$2200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c8ae8b$a3130900$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <7.0.1.0.2.20080505095138.03857010@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d0913f2-524d-4174-9e23-175ead6f3640 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F311F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 12:09:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not 100% sure this company mails to Europe, but it seems worth a try: http://www.designerfabrics.ca/shop/scripts/ -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 12:16:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45GGals030369 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45GGUlJ018524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45GGC2l017796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 10:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45GEUfV080476; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45GETkW080464 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 10:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1150593pyc.4 for ; Mon, 05 May 2008 09:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.243.16 with SMTP id v16mr162468qbr.131.1210004068781; Mon, 05 May 2008 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm854580qba.1.2008.05.05.09.14.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 May 2008 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002a01c8aecb$6ee562a0$2200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:16:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 919ad516-dae1-433c-9c7b-f7fd630f2d8e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481F32DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Last I heard, Fashion Fabrics Club had begun mailing worldwide, and they often have silk ottoman: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 13:48:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45Hmgdw002376 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 13:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45HmaE9008766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 13:48:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45HmCEH028082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 11:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45HkTZK082370; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m45HkP2J082314 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200805051746.m45HkP2J082314@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 10544 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 10:46:25 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10088, pid: 10540, t: 0.2307s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qHtMVBikAAAA:8 a=I6XJ-4E4AAAA:8 a=ik5vtdJeAAAA:8 a=syEiB5ESAAAA:8 a=Tj4BA4aZzDIgG9zCKWcA:9 a=tNz_CxYUafUYRb969bsA:7 a=EH7CaWvcFRzlIS4js3tM92TSYsQA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp2 with SMTP; 5 May 2008 10:46:25 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:42:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <006e01c8ae8f$7665d280$6401a8c0@momlaptop> References: <002501c8a818$c854eef0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <002b01c8ae7b$9975be20$6401a8c0@momlaptop> <001d01c8ae8c$5a4d9ef0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <006e01c8ae8f$7665d280$6401a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f6b8776-338a-43df-a689-4bb7da96ac01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481F4874.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:07 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote: >I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel >free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. >http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your >cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for >the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. > >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumelibrary.com >www.costumeclassroom.com >www.costumeslideshows.com It looks like embroidery to me, with needle lace around the medallion. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 14:33:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45IXDk8003628 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 14:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45IX8Jb004533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 14:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45IVKxh032484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 12:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45ITTpw028287; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45ITP9t028183 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 12:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080505182924.ILPB13735.fep51.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:29:24 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080505182924.EUOU17835.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:29:24 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:29:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Mon, 5 May 2008 20:29:23 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] crotched X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2679bdc-596f-434e-b257-83d5e6ea7098 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481F52E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know we have disgussed the history of crotched here manny times. I was am= azed when i got a book : Our New Clothes: Acquisitions of the 1990ies from The Metropolidan Museum o= f Arts. There is a beautifull Robe a la francaise dated 1740ies, floral handpainted= cream silk moir=E9 faille. It has crotcheted netting, cream silk fly-fringe and polycrome flowers of s= ilk floss. Crotcheted netting is made in a ecry colloured thread. I didnt know crotching was as old as that! Bjarne = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 17:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45L4g7f009699 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:04:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45L4bmu030911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45L3UbB046992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 15:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45L1gIL088596; Mon, 5 May 2008 15:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45L1dNC088534 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 15:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A527AB7036E; Mon, 05 May 2008 20:59:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:01:32 -0700 Message-ID: <00cd01c8aef3$34626a10$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciuxwN4e9iPyIqoQsytr39hiWRYXAAK/gGA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a648dcb6-6ac3-4f9b-9e47-152cea0bcd65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481F7665.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 17:04:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One tip is to line the top of the fabric to be pleated with evenly checked gingham. The regular spacing of the checks makes it easy to make even pleats and the gingham finishes the top edge. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of CBellfleur@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:45 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating I'm planning a class on Cartridge Pleating for next week. 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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 17:32:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45LW2rv010924 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:32:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45LVuFL018574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45LVZoe049860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 15:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45LTrXM017725; Mon, 5 May 2008 15:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45LTndS017653 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 15:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5197C550B7 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 16:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <002a01c8aecb$6ee562a0$2200a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0676f78-cce1-4808-a48b-b4c08f301ea6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F7CCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 17:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ottoman silk http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/Catalog_items.aspx?Query=ottoman%20silk http://tinyurl.com/5aha24 Dark Red Ottoman silk http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=FF814 http://tinyurl.com/5gurv3 -----Original Message----- Last I heard, Fashion Fabrics Club had begun mailing worldwide, and they often have silk ottoman: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 18:38:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45McRUL013073 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45McM1r026937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:38:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45MJJvr054824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 16:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45MHaK6064052; Mon, 5 May 2008 16:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45MHXdD063994 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 16:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by arkroyal.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id D55874C0A; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.157) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 05 May 2008 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080505221732.D55874C0A@arkroyal.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0fa082f-daa7-4560-8d6a-36015f74db52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F8C5E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 18:38:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie ---- wrote: > > If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. > http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg > To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that > the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the > pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would > be hiked up for access. De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 19:02:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45N2so0013819 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 19:02:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45N2nws007225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 19:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45N23NC058589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 17:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45N22Q8003784; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45N1xcO003728 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AEFC8550BE for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:02:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080505221732.D55874C0A@arkroyal.concentric.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d443733-55fd-42e6-b8e0-4689c32400f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481F9219.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 19:02:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. Presently I can not find the site. De -----Original Message----- I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie ---- wrote: > > If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. > http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg > To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that > the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the > pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would > be hiked up for access. De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 19:16:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m45NGksB014208 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 19:16:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m45NGe3I007842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 19:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m45NGSrW059833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 17:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45NGSqg017546; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m45NGOba017386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:3435 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jt9us-0002BS-RJ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 May 2008 18:16:19 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080506001303.0385cb28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 00:16:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <20080505221732.D55874C0A@arkroyal.concentric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 526c381d-e3f6-4a1f-bd7e-cc5918330a2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481F9558.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 19:16:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: >I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said >that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. >Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi >De > >-----Original Message----- >I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. >I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket >description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that >part of the site? >Julie > >---- wrote: > > > > If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. > > http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg > > To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed >that > > the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the > > pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would > > be hiked up for access. > De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 20:12:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m460CQnU015742 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:12:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m460CKpc002896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m460Bcmx064203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 18:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m460BJqa057519; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m460BFSX057411 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.245.146.91] by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtAlx-00072J-Jd for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 May 2008 20:11:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20080505221732.D55874C0A@arkroyal.concentric.com> References: <20080505221732.D55874C0A@arkroyal.concentric.com> Message-Id: <4C9BE5E2-8207-4EEA-8110-67C0CC6446FA@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:10:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4f4c9b62db4a6c899807768170f9e044c93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.91 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f11faf36-36ed-4023-9946-cd06d1064c83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481FA264.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 20:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wikipedia gives this information about the site: > VADS (Visual Arts Data Service) is a UK organisation that provides > digital images and other visual arts resources free and copyright > cleared for use in UK higher education and further education. It > has provided services to the academic community for 11 years, and > has built up a portfolio of visual art collections comprising over > 100,000 images. VADS is based at the University College for the > Creative Arts at Farnham. > Perhaps you could try writing the organization about the source? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 5, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Julie wrote: > I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a > replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the > pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please > direct me to that part of the site? > Julie > > ---- wrote: >> >> If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. >> http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg >> To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is >> believed that >> the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases >> where the >> pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over >> skirt would >> be hiked up for access. > De >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 5 20:50:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m460o1lm017054 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:50:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m460nsTE008468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m460nSwZ067357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 May 2008 18:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m460nQMK084340; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m460nNKB084219 for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W33 ([65.54.161.133]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 May 2008 17:49:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.199.153.4] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:49:18 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2008 00:49:18.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[03F70960:01C8AF13] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] crotched X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: afde908e-77b1-4cf3-a3da-0486228f07e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481FAB32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 May 2008 20:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have to say, this post wasn't what I was expecting from the subject line.= Honestly not sure what I *was* expecting. = Thanks for the giggle, Bjarne! = Laurie> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, = 5 May 2008 20:29:20 +0200> Subject: [h-cost] crotched> > I know we have dis= gussed the history of crotched here manny times. I was amazed when i got a = book :> Our New Clothes: Acquisitions of the 1990ies from The Metropolidan = Museum of Arts.> There is a beautifull Robe a la francaise dated 1740ies, f= loral handpainted cream silk moir=E9 faille.> It has crotcheted netting, cr= eam silk fly-fringe and polycrome flowers of silk floss.> Crotcheted nettin= g is made in a ecry colloured thread.> I didnt know crotching was as old as= that!> > Bjarne > _______________________________________________> h-costu= me mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/li= stinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh= _mobile_052008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 06:52:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46AqE5m029607 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 06:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Aq9Ch029408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 06:52:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46AkXHW003444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 04:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46AkTrj065541; Tue, 6 May 2008 04:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46AkP8L065446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 04:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-210-232.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.210.232] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JtKgd-0005rc-A2 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 20:16:19 +0930 Message-ID: <003001c8af66$67758860$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:16:13 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13dfe857-185c-4305-9a93-ed18c0aa1a64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48203859.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 06:52:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:42:52 -0700 > From: Joan Jurancich > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200805051746.m45HkP2J082314@net.indra.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 02:07 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote: >>I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. >>Feel >>free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. >>http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your >>cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it >>for >>the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. >> >>Penny Ladnier, >>Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >>www.costumegallery.com >>www.costumelibrary.com >>www.costumeclassroom.com >>www.costumeslideshows.com > > It looks like embroidery to me, with needle lace around the medallion. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > Hi Penny - I have only ever seen it spelled filet, but the pattern you sent for 'lattice' looks like what I would call filet. However, Joan may be right about the lace medallions - when I first looked at them I wasn't sure they were filet, because of the irregular shapes in the upper halves. It's only really the lower parts of the meshwork that look like filet. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 10:04:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46E4UGj019562 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:04:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46E4KP8024901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46E3gRF016368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 08:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46E3eaq017451; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46E3Z59017372 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080506140334.LOIC7364.fep53.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:34 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.184]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080506140334.FLKF26322.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:34 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.184] at Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:33 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5cb963f9-c519-4a49-8ce0-6cfaa704d1b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48206564.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "zelda crusher" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] crotched I have to say, this post wasn't what I was expecting from the subject line. Honestly not sure what I *was* expecting. Thanks for the giggle, Bjarne! I apologises for the mistake of the spelling. You must bear over with me, i am sorry i am not a native english speaker. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 11:48:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46FmG2T024948 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Fm9fF022068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:48:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46FlZRZ026134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 09:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46FlXw0024797; Tue, 6 May 2008 09:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46FlVSW024754 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 09:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so714900ana.65 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr1111196and.80.1210088850393; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:47:30 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01d32cbd-bc3b-4342-a4b4-6304f60b988a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48207DB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I apologises for the mistake of the spelling. You must bear over with me, i > am sorry i am not a native english speaker. You worry too much :-) We know you're not a native English speaker. Those things happen to even to people whose first language is English. It just made us smile :-) Personnally, I though you had a pants fitting issue... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 12:55:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46GtagT027944 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:55:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46GtVME025216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:55:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46Gt3WB033079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 10:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46Gt2SW097713; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46Gswkj097509 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 May 2008 12:56:36 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0319EFF9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] crochet Thread-Index: AcivkNb7Tq5ZuPs3QBSn5tISpQ7JbwACUdCQ References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75><002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2008 16:56:36.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[256883D0:01C8AF9A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35e14da4-6805-4127-869d-086735699d84 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48208D83.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's fun & charming. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet > I apologises for the mistake of the spelling. You must bear over with me, i > am sorry i am not a native english speaker. You worry too much :-) We know you're not a native English speaker. Those things happen to even to people whose first language is English. It just made us smile :-) Personnally, I though you had a pants fitting issue... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 12:58:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46GwnZR028026 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Gwhq9026764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46GwR7F033415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 10:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46GwRlP001551; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46GwNY4001472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 10:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m46GwKL9023885 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:23 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60640.72.13.239.193.1210093103.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29a76514-0112-429e-81d8-0e3211ec5581 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48208E43.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 12:58:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Personally, I though you had a pants fitting issue... Oh those language funnies! :-) Back to crochet =97 yes, the simple chains and such were around in the 18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace patterns occurred in the 19th century. There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done to look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting to look like needle lace, etc. Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on the level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to justify using them. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 13:02:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46H2MC2028186 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:02:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46H2D7u021983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46H1q5p033700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 11:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46H1qlG005178; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46H1nKH005127 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.102] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1685287223 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 12:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01f101c8af9a$e0c5e870$66a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c8aedd$f06a8fa0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75><002801c8af81$f74ed5c0$b8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0805060847t5917c22cj455a92594ec54c41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:01:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Languages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 774a539f-be78-4556-8f1f-85e2e804f26a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48208F15.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, I *never* make fun of anyone who speaks more than one language! but I do get a chuckle out of the occasional malaprop. I only speak the one I was born to and I admire anyone who can communicate in more than one language. My mother speaks 4 fluently and can get along in two others. Her native language is French and I can limp along a little, but my cousins were terribly amused to find that I had HORSE on my head, not hair. or was it hat? Anyway, you do just fine in English -- far better than most of the people on this list could do in Danish, I'd guess. Don't let it bother you if we sometimes get a smile from something you wrote -- A smile a day is healthy! Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 13:42:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46HgEAj029923 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:42:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Hg7g6006142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46HfZOg037235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 11:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46HfWdx047097; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46HfQWQ046884 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 11:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtRAH-0003Lh-I8 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:41:21 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:41:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c0ceb0d6372810308cba9a63e18e355f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d36efc15-0297-4a1a-8a31-414423e1950a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4820986F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 13:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Carol wrote: > Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around in the >18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. > The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people >want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace >patterns occurred in the 19th century. > There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done to >look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting >to look like needle lace, etc. > Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on the >level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work >for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to >justify using them. I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the crochet on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly _could_ be original if it's just chains and fastenings. I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may be important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we have of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say what it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag afghans....). I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And then tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin lace; crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think there's some truth in it. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 14:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46IHdeu031446 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:17:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46IHX2c017281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:17:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46IHG9l040847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 12:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46IHFfa084195; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46IHBHm084126 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080506181710.MYJN26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:17:10 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.253]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080506181710.FRNB17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:17:10 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:17:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.253] at Tue, 6 May 2008 20:17:10 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97bc82ee-a509-4b5e-97f4-43b9b44d9718 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4820A0BD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book and post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > Carol wrote: >> Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around in the >>18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. >> The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people >>want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace >>patterns occurred in the 19th century. >> There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done to >>look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting >>to look like needle lace, etc. >> Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on the >>level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work >>for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to >>justify using them. > > I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the crochet > on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit > later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly _could_ > be original if it's just chains and fastenings. > > I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may be > important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we have > of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say what > it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag afghans....). > > I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster and > easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And then > tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin lace; > crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin > and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, > chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... > Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think > there's some truth in it. > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 15:57:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46Jvwot003430 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:57:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46JvpWL020606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46JugEG050445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 13:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46JudL9088918; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46JuaSR088734 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtTH5-0007LN-Ds for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 15:56:31 -0400 Received: from 64.202.84.162 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: <17925075.1210103791451.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4567d9b9a5488b8ab156fa70e43947acfa8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f115d927-cf1f-4036-b81e-ac3190f6f116 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4820B83F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 15:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If it weren't completely OT, I'd love to post some of the things my American college students write in English class. And, as you say, for most of them English is the only language they've got. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Land of Oz >Sent: May 6, 2008 1:01 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Languages > >Bjarne, I *never* make fun of anyone who speaks more than one language! but >I do get a chuckle out of the occasional malaprop. I only speak the one I >was born to and I admire anyone who can communicate in more than one >language. > >My mother speaks 4 fluently and can get along in two others. Her native >language is French and I can limp along a little, but my cousins were >terribly amused to find that I had HORSE on my head, not hair. or was it >hat? > >Anyway, you do just fine in English -- far better than most of the people on >this list could do in Danish, I'd guess. Don't let it bother you if we >sometimes get a smile from something you wrote -- A smile a day is healthy! > >Denise >Iowa > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 16:24:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46KOVd0004999 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:24:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46KOCdS007127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46KNpGe054412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 14:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46KNoku019427; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46KNl96019368 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so739711ana.65 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr1625117anh.49.1210105427192; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 13:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:23:47 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f48661d8-01b8-4b78-a8a1-307d5f74325a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4820BE6C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 16:24:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe the dress in question is pictured on the MET museum site (I just found my copy of the book to look it up). It is featured on the first page on their highlights from the collection pa= ge. Dress (Robe =E0 la Fran=E7aise), 1740s British; Country of Origin England Harris B. Dick Fund, 1995 (1995.235a, b) http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/index.aspx?dep=3D= 8&vw=3D0 Here is a link to the page for the dress: http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_costume_insti= tute/Dress_Robe_a_la_Fran_aise/ViewObject.aspx?depNm=3Dthe_costume_institut= e&pID=3D1&kWd=3D&OID=3D80001010&vW=3D0&Pg=3D1&St=3D5&StOd=3D1&vT=3D2 You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book a= nd > post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Laning" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > > > > Carol wrote: > >> Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around in= the > >>18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. > >> The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people > >>want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace > >>patterns occurred in the 19th century. > >> There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done= to > >>look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting > >>to look like needle lace, etc. > >> Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on t= he > >>level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work > >>for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to > >>justify using them. > > > > I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the cro= chet > > on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit > > later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly _coul= d_ > > be original if it's just chains and fastenings. > > > > I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may be > > important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we h= ave > > of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say wh= at > > it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag afghans....). > > > > I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster a= nd > > easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And = then > > tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin la= ce; > > crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobb= in > > and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, > > chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... > > Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think > > there's some truth in it. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > 0 Chris Laning > > | > > + Davis, California > > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- = Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 16:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46Kf05h006164 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Kess5012314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46KeU33055879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 14:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46KeTgc035639; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5d.socket.net [216.106.26.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46KeQhg035587 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7F293D0E2 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080506001303.0385cb28@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51d76f13-60fa-4ae2-9c63-e1fe81dad28c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4820C256.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 16:40:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I remember reading that it was early 1600s but I am not 100% sure of the year 20. It was list in either Elizabethan or Jacobean. De -----Original Message----- At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: >I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said >that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. >Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi >De > >-----Original Message----- >I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. >I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket >description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that >part of the site? >Julie > >---- wrote: > > > > If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. > > http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg > > To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed >that > > the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the > > pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would > > be hiked up for access. > De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 17:59:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46Lx5EJ009796 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:59:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46LwxrX001769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46LwOdf062240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 15:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46LwJr9009124; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46LwH3Q009089 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so380anc.85 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.1.7 with SMTP id d7mr1755546ani.100.1210111097489; Tue, 06 May 2008 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.165.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:58:17 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Pockets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbe4afec-33eb-42fc-8702-3a776c9a1519 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4820D4A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 17:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The exhibit is from the V&A, last year. - http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/pockets/index.html There is a link on the page to directions for making pockets. I may try is myself, since it can be hidden under a skirt. Regina in L.A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 19:45:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46NjJOI014588 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:45:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46NjEFk027283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46Nic4M069327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 17:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46NiZRC094770; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46NiUsO094630 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.145.230] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtWpd-0003OX-DX for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 19:44:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4820ED63.4090301@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:44:35 -0400 From: Frau Anna Bleucher User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 9eb1bae7e4e7fc8d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79303935ac5d8e599e22d0e2aa0728f1ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.145.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pockets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20740980-173c-4ea9-8fbc-384a5fa6cc29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4820ED8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 19:45:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Regina Voorhes wrote: > The exhibit is from the V&A, last year. - > http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/pockets/index.html > > There is a link on the page to directions for making pockets. I may try is > myself, since it can be hidden under a skirt. > > Regina in L.A. > If you choose not to make your own, I make and sell pockets using authentic historical designs. Contact me if you are interested. Connie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 19:47:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m46Nlxtm014663 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:47:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m46Nls28018107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m46NkePG069435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46Nkdb0096211; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m46Nkaqu096104 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W55 ([65.55.138.90]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 May 2008 16:46:32 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:46:31 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2008 23:46:32.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[695A8780:01C8AFD3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8a67ce4-73d6-4855-bf78-c69c7e30f8b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4820EE2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 19:47:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I took a class on organ pipe pleating at a "War" once - best thing the teacher did was to make us actually do some of it in class. Maybe you could provide everyone with a piece of fabric, perhaps already lined as another person suggested and get the students to mark, gather and attach it to something? Sg > From: CBellfleur@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:44:55 -0400> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating> > I'm planning a class on Cartridge Pleating for next week. My time frame is > 16C and I'm trying to keep it fairly basic. Any advice? > > Thanks,> Catherine > > > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 20:32:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m470WKIm016431 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:32:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m470WEs3005730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m470VqNP072196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 18:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m470VpXX028939; Tue, 6 May 2008 18:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m470Vn5s028862 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 18:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so75875wah.3 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.19 with SMTP id i19mr1308361waa.155.1210120302924; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:31:42 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bbe10e8-e8a2-49b7-a91d-8aa1827a3f76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4820F88E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 20:32:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow, that looks exactly like a mesh crochet stitch. I saw a lot of it when I used it for the sleeves of the Irish lace over-tunic of my wedding dress. I would never have thought of it for something that early. Are we agreeing that since it's basically a chain stitch attached here and there, it's more than possible that this is really what we're looking at this early in the history of crochet? Impressed, LynnD On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Katy Bishop wrote: > I believe the dress in question is pictured on the MET museum site (I > just found my copy of the book to look it up). > > It is featured on the first page on their highlights from the collection > page. > > Dress (Robe =E0 la Fran=E7aise), 1740s > British; Country of Origin England > Harris B. Dick Fund, 1995 (1995.235a, b) > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/index.aspx?dep= =3D8&vw=3D0 > > Here is a link to the page for the dress: > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_costume_ins= titute/Dress_Robe_a_la_Fran_aise/ViewObject.aspx?depNm=3Dthe_costume_instit= ute&pID=3D1&kWd=3D&OID=3D80001010&vW=3D0&Pg=3D1&St=3D5&StOd=3D1&vT=3D2 > > You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of > as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a > bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews > wrote: > > When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book > and > > post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Laning" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > > > > > > > Carol wrote: > > >> Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around > in the > > >>18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. > > >> The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some > people > > >>want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace > > >>patterns occurred in the 19th century. > > >> There are a number of different lace making techniques, many > done to > > >>look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting > > >>to look like needle lace, etc. > > >> Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on > the > > >>level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work > > >>for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to > > >>justify using them. > > > > > > I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the > crochet > > > on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit > > > later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly > _could_ > > > be original if it's just chains and fastenings. > > > > > > I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may > be > > > important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we > have > > > of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say > what > > > it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag > afghans....). > > > > > > I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster > and > > > easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And > then > > > tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin > lace; > > > crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for > bobbin > > > and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, > > > chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... > > > > Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think > > > there's some truth in it. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > 0 Chris Laning > > > | > > > + Davis, California > > > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 20:53:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m470rGbF017196 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m470rA5T025715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 20:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m470qagR073424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 18:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m470qYDx043935; Tue, 6 May 2008 18:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m470qVCc043853 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 18:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39612 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2008 00:52:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iyCFs8wVM1kmfx9HZm_SQ1k2KdjS9FP6FHYMECNBMHjE6Vor0Vn98u91j7tyfFFXVFEU_O1zG8GCbgb6uQOzzHLbyMpoW5IPnBw9UmmhytkDp0UcKFqxKXmkeQg- Received: from [69.182.164.191] by web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:52:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003001c8af66$67758860$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <300785.39484.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles V.4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8362708-7bb6-4e1c-9c9d-82663616db90 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4820FD76.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 20:53:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My copy of the title journal arrived in my hands today, on the east coast of the US. It was ordered directly from Boydell & Brewster. Ann in CT only two papers read so far more treats to come :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 6 21:21:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m471LhLe018237 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 21:21:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m471LcPI032729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 21:21:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m471LBGF075282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 19:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m471L8JQ063537; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m471L5R4063411 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80269 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2008 01:20:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: loHLYUYVM1lldEVpB3gkyeLsnBvvJo.x38bKgUpvoKafub4sCg0cqxKzSCdVCkxjjy9I9rc.mPEI_MPyN6O9Qp4hhrrtJCdoe9REClsvutyskRv2OGq0468LDCg- Received: from [69.182.164.191] by web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2008 18:20:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <701514.80117.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19d1922f-049d-428a-8b9d-0552344021a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48210422.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 May 2008 21:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If it is mesh crochet, then the base chain has 5-6 chains between slip stit= ches, and the loops are 9 sts long; second and third rows are slip stitched= to the fifth stitch in the previous row's loop. It is possible that chain stitch was stitched with a needle to make 5 stitc= h at the base chain and 9 stitch loops, rather than slip stitching. Or we could be witnessing the early use of actual crochet as a separate cra= ft, not just tambour embroidery. Ann in CT --- Lynn Downward wrote: > Wow, that looks exactly like a mesh crochet stitch. = > I would never have thought of it for something that early. > Are we agreeing > that since it's basically a chain stitch attached here > and there, it's more > than possible that this is really what we're looking at > this early in the history of crochet? > = > LynnD > = > Katy Bishop wrote: > = > > I believe the dress in question is pictured on the MET museum site (I > > just found my copy of the book to look it up). > > > > It is featured on the first page on their highlights from the > > collection page. > > > > Dress (Robe =E0 la Fran=E7aise), 1740s > > British; Country of Origin England > > Harris B. Dick Fund, 1995 (1995.235a, b) > > > > > > Here is a link to the page for the dress: > > > > > > You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of > > as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a > > bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. _____________________________________________________________________= _______________ Be a better friend, newshound, and = know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt= =3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 00:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m474CVSZ025060 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 00:12:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m474CQCk023529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 00:12:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m474BkEn086224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 May 2008 22:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m474Bihl087073; Tue, 6 May 2008 22:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m474BgYu086986 for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 22:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (221.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.221]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2008050704113511200csd0ie>; Wed, 7 May 2008 04:11:36 +0000 Message-ID: <009101c8aff8$700d01f0$ddb04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> <001b01c8aec3$18827e00$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:11:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60b729f6-a63a-442a-8bee-816f67f1bd55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48212C2A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 00:12:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you so much for trying. I went shopping while in CA for cost-con-26 and found some lovely fabric so the other project is on hold for a while anyway. Margaret > Hi Margaret, > > I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner but everything was in chaos > when > I go back from London. We lost one cat to cancer and almost lost another > to > hyperthyroidism. All is much improved now. Anyway, I looked in several > stores and was unable to find anyplace in London or Colchester that sold > Pearsall's. We even went online and the only place that had any was in > Wales. It would need to be mail ordered. I even went to a place here in > Va. Beach that as supposed to carry it and they did not. The only other > place I could find was also online but nobody carries the spools. I > suspect > that you got some vintage silk that is no longer made. Sorry I was no > successful. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of margaret > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:49 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers > > Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk > Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone > now > > and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. > Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 > 8:57 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 > 6:01 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 04:21:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m478LXIZ030527 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 04:21:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m478LPM6015955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 04:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m478KBkd098824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 02:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m478K8FL053931; Wed, 7 May 2008 02:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m478K48O053880 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 02:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.80847339; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:19:46 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m478Jj612500.; Wed, 7 May 2008 09:19:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 May 2008 09:19:45 +0100 Message-Id: <4821742002000014000E9637@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:19:28 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pockets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7074d129-8e21-400b-8ba6-1914baf37155 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48216685.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 04:21:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wear a pocket in that style (with my own design of embroidery) with my 1640s outfit, because I like them and it doesn't show, but I, too, understood that they were really 18th century. I thought I had read that 17th century ones were plain. > Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember reading that it was early 1600s but I am not 100% sure of the year 20. It was list in either Elizabethan or Jacobean. De -----Original Message----- At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: >I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said >that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. >Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi >De > ***************************************** Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 08:45:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47CjLWA002843 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:45:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47CjDLP029169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47BiKPp008151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 05:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47BiHSP001750; Wed, 7 May 2008 05:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mistral.mail.adnap.net.au (mistral.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47BiCxY001641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 05:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from [122.49.161.33] (helo=GilgameshII) by mistral.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Jti8D-0008WZ-CY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:18:21 +0930 Message-ID: <001d01c8b037$a3d0d040$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:13:59 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a47e678-5816-4d3f-8237-7336612baed7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4821A459.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 08:45:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It could be very primitive crochet, or something else. There are certainly none of the usual crochet stitches (doubles, trebles etc), only chains. To my eye it looks like it has been worked horizontally (ie parallel to the skirt edges. Those two vertical lines are the top and bottom of the narrow strips and extra loops have been worked on the outside. I can't quite see what is going on with the edges though - I think there's chenille thread covering them, and there is some kind of wierd ruffly bit near the bottom of the petticoat which does not look like crochet at all. Claire > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ann Catelli > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <701514.80117.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > If it is mesh crochet, then the base chain has 5-6 chains between slip > stitches, and the loops are 9 sts long; second and third rows are slip > stitched to the fifth stitch in the previous row's loop. > > It is possible that chain stitch was stitched with a needle to make 5 > stitch at the base chain and 9 stitch loops, rather than slip stitching. > Or we could be witnessing the early use of actual crochet as a separate > craft, not just tambour embroidery. > > Ann in CT > > --- Lynn Downward wrote: > >> Wow, that looks exactly like a mesh crochet stitch. >> I would never have thought of it for something that early. >> Are we agreeing >> that since it's basically a chain stitch attached here >> and there, it's more >> than possible that this is really what we're looking at >> this early in the history of crochet? >> >> LynnD >> >> Katy Bishop wrote: >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 10:34:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47EYw1g008238 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47EYqIk018417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47EYGSc021305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 08:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47EYEZ8053159; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-117.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47EYB1I053003 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A7412B879 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 09:34:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4821CBE4.5080705@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:33:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Rare Textiles From Honduras Ruins Suggests Mayans Produced Fine Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 291df7af-cb26-46cd-8048-bb8bb4bc1f76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4821BE0C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 10:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "Textiles conservator Margaret Ordo=F1ez, a professor at the University of = Rhode Island, spent a month at the site in 2004 examining 100 textile = samples found in a tomb, and since then she has been analyzing tiny = fragments of 49 samples she brought back to her lab to see what she = could learn from them." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080430173528.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 10:35:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47EZfcd008267 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:35:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47EZXdg021054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47EZHm4021432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 08:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47EZGV9054167; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47EZCf6054084 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080507143511.PYWY23927.fep52.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:35:11 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.205]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080507143511.GOFN19524.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: <004801c8b04f$8d01f5c0$cd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:35:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.205] at Wed, 7 May 2008 16:35:10 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ff424ef-6b6e-49ea-9207-145126dddd82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4821BE35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Katy, you made it easy for me! Yes this is the dress i was speaking of. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C I believe the dress in question is pictured on the MET museum site (I just found my copy of the book to look it up). It is featured on the first page on their highlights from the collection = page. Dress (Robe =E0 la Fran=E7aise), 1740s British; Country of Origin England Harris B. Dick Fund, 1995 (1995.235a, b) http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/index.aspx?dep=3D= 8&vw=3D0 Here is a link to the page for the dress: http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_costume_insti= tute/Dress_Robe_a_la_Fran_aise/ViewObject.aspx?depNm=3Dthe_costume_institut= e&pID=3D1&kWd=3D&OID=3D80001010&vW=3D0&Pg=3D1&St=3D5&StOd=3D1&vT=3D2 You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book = > and > post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Laning" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > > > > Carol wrote: > >> Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around in = > the > >>18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. > >> The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people > >>want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace > >>patterns occurred in the 19th century. > >> There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done = > to > >>look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting > >>to look like needle lace, etc. > >> Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on = > the > >>level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work > >>for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to > >>justify using them. > > > > I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the = > crochet > > on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit > > later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly = > _could_ > > be original if it's just chains and fastenings. > > > > I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may be > > important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we = > have > > of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say = > what > > it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag afghans....). > > > > I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster = > and > > easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And = > then > > tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin = > lace; > > crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for = > bobbin > > and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, > > chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... = > > > Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think > > there's some truth in it. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > 0 Chris Laning > > | > > + Davis, California > > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- = Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 10:59:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47Exc94009323 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:59:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47ExS38028380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:59:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47ExEHt023637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 08:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47ExCwf078508; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m47Ex9Q7078352 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30440 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2008 14:59:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1_zrLsIVM1m_B6S5DoX8JJUHoJKMxmg0Wklq_B.eNX6_CtJkIJKI9lmQMll40Cdzo5lYt_WF3NNKJ97AF_.Y_S4ICemxZwlkmRjb4OA1Lr9QEI2J6Uoj8li0EU8- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 07:59:04 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 07:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <17925075.1210103791451.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <520990.29694.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 955c6030-4ad5-46c0-ab8d-bd9fbc92ac88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4821C3D0.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I hope you won't kill me for this...but when I was studying in America (at the age of 12), most of my schoolmates made such terrible spelling mistakes.... it's quite funny, but I was one of the few students who managed to get an A in spelling:-D Zuzana ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: If it weren't completely OT, I'd love to post some of the things my American college students write in English class. And, as you say, for most of them English is the only language they've got. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Land of Oz >Sent: May 6, 2008 1:01 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Languages > >Bjarne, I *never* make fun of anyone who speaks more than one language! but >I do get a chuckle out of the occasional malaprop. I only speak the one I >was born to and I admire anyone who can communicate in more than one >language. > >My mother speaks 4 fluently and can get along in two others. Her native >language is French and I can limp along a little, but my cousins were >terribly amused to find that I had HORSE on my head, not hair. or was it >hat? > >Anyway, you do just fine in English -- far better than most of the people on >this list could do in Danish, I'd guess. Don't let it bother you if we >sometimes get a smile from something you wrote -- A smile a day is healthy! > >Denise >Iowa > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 11:44:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47FiP0n011830 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 11:44:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47FiJeP028258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 11:44:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47FcX6n027562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 09:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47FcVQM021735; Wed, 7 May 2008 09:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47FcSZv021581 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 09:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080507153821.OSYI15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 11:38:21 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id NfeN1Z0032wVAe002feN9z; Wed, 07 May 2008 11:38:23 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75><3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> <004801c8b04f$8d01f5c0$cd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:38:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c8b058$60250a70$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <004801c8b04f$8d01f5c0$cd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AciwUeRZh4x9W4BDQwWZY5JeWG4+SgABkpAg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 475213e1-a310-4eee-961e-e47fb346a1c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4821CE53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 11:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, goody! I will be at the Met in about 2 weeks. It looks like I will lots of costumes to photograph. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C Thanks Katy, you made it easy for me! Yes this is the dress i was speaking of. Bjarne No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1419 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 7:46 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 12:15:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47GFR09013460 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:15:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47GFLtJ012031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:15:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47G9Dpj030462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 10:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47G9C6I055831; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47G98p8055620 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 10:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:09:02 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <520990.29694.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Languages - OT Thread-Index: AciwUwmeD2zTcJCnR8GPnQe/HjytowACMZQQ References: <17925075.1210103791451.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <520990.29694.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bab0d912-a8ec-4579-82d2-ce1799bca41e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4821D599.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 12:15:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I hire college students to intern in the museum for which I work, and as part of the application process I require that they submit a college-level paper so that I can see how well they write (writing is part of the job). And the one person who wrote the most beautifully in the seven years I've been doing this was a native Danish speaker. The American college students couldn't write their way out of a paper bag. Quite frightening, actually.... (Even more frightening is that most of them can't identify the parts of a ruler or do basic fractions-- also things the job requires since we hang art to specific measurements. Meanwhile, my Danish student did all her calculations in metric and then converted them--correctly--to Imperial.) Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:59 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages - OT > > I hope you won't kill me for this...but when I was studying in America (at > the age of 12), most of my schoolmates made such terrible spelling > mistakes.... it's quite funny, but I was one of the few students who > managed to get an A in spelling:-D > > Zuzana > > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: If it weren't completely OT, I'd love to > post some of the things my American college students write in English > class. And, as you say, for most of them English is the only language > they've got. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Land of Oz > >Sent: May 6, 2008 1:01 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: [h-cost] Languages > > > >Bjarne, I *never* make fun of anyone who speaks more than one language! > but > >I do get a chuckle out of the occasional malaprop. I only speak the one > I > >was born to and I admire anyone who can communicate in more than one > >language. > > > >My mother speaks 4 fluently and can get along in two others. Her native > >language is French and I can limp along a little, but my cousins were > >terribly amused to find that I had HORSE on my head, not hair. or was it > >hat? > > > >Anyway, you do just fine in English -- far better than most of the people > on > >this list could do in Danish, I'd guess. Don't let it bother you if we > >sometimes get a smile from something you wrote -- A smile a day is > healthy! > > > >Denise > >Iowa > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 14:54:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47IsTwj020945 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:54:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47IsL4S017558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47IrlGs046072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 12:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47IrbCT038437; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47IrZDW038413 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so482807rvb.11 for ; Wed, 07 May 2008 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.251.1 with SMTP id y1mr1113000rvh.107.1210186415349; Wed, 07 May 2008 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Wed, 7 May 2008 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:53:35 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b385897e-3093-4b17-aadf-78660d132e52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4821FADD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 14:54:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > Wow, that looks exactly like a mesh crochet stitch. I saw a lot of it when > I used it for the sleeves of the Irish lace over-tunic of my wedding dress. > I would never have thought of it for something that early. Are we agreeing > that since it's basically a chain stitch attached here and there, it's more > than possible that this is really what we're looking at this early in the > history of crochet? > > > >> > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_costume_institute/Dress_Robe_a_la_Fran_aise/ViewObject.aspx?depNm=the_costume_institute&pID=1&kWd=&OID=80001010&vW=0&Pg=1&St=5&StOd=1&vT=2 > > > > You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of > > as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a > > bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. > > > When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book > > and > > > post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! > > > > > > Bjarne > > > I think you are right. There has been mention from 15th c. of Queen Elizabeth's favorite cauls being made of chains. Could this have been done the same? There were "crochets and hooks" counted in Queen Mary's belongings when she returned to the court of Henry VIII. Then there is a cope in a Spanish museum they say is trimmed in corochet. It seems strange these things keep popping up but everyone says crochet didn't exist until the 19th century. Maybe it just wasn't the fad until then. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 15:24:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47JOqVO022266 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 15:24:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47JOjJ2001646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 15:24:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47JOPQw048617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 13:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47JOOd4071535; Wed, 7 May 2008 13:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m47JOKa8071383 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 13:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70654 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2008 19:24:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0ORT5xQVM1l99o7gAKGkZNn7jzOt6BhNe3NSwtA8.npRkVDe0ORflTGyJ6m13FEW7AOct.saA.HdsDXnlMIq8YJu80rm5mX4x9YusHsMeXIvjXgnxwZJmIYAfoo- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 12:24:17 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6393e8a6-78f2-4abd-9cce-35547e76bf19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482201FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 15:24:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Somewhere on the internet there is a sort of paper doll Elizabethan dress design thing. A basic figure that you can add basic shapes of costume pieces to, and get an idea of what you want. Unfortunately it's bookmarked on a computer I no longer have1 does anyone know what I'm talking about? And where it is? Thanks in advance, MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 16:10:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47KAr2u025709 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:10:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47KAk8q019772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47K934G052862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 14:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47K8woX019100; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47K8sMe018941 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W13 ([65.54.161.113]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 May 2008 13:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.236.129.111] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:08:49 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2008 20:08:49.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[29C14900:01C8B07E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6c10e43-7c26-44ff-b522-eae039eed358 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48220CC6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 16:10:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this what you are looking for? = http://www.sempstress.org/tools/dialadress.shtml = = Laurie = = = > Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:24:17 -0700> From: maggiros@yahoo.com> To: h-cos= tume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator> > Somewhere = on the internet there is a sort of paper> doll Elizabethan dress design thi= ng. A basic figure> that you can add basic shapes of costume pieces to,> an= d get an idea of what you want. Unfortunately it's> bookmarked on a compute= r I no longer have1 does anyone> know what I'm talking about? And where it = is?> > Thanks in advance,> > MaggiRos> > The Elizabethan World is at http:/= /elizabethan.org> coming soon in paperback!> ______________________________= _________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http:/= /mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED=99 Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=3DTXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 16:52:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47Kq1jg027609 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:52:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47Kpqib001363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47KkTgd056304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 14:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47KkT8c058425; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47KkQks058296 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 14:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail05.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.105]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080507204621H060097pf1e>; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:46:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.105] Received: from [74.224.22.145] by fwebmail05.isp.att.net; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:46:20 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:46:20 +0000 Message-Id: <050720082046.21441.4822151B000CF9B7000053C122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> In-Reply-To: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84991c65-405d-4cc5-a615-3d07043a2386 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48221668.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 16:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or is it this site? www.elizabethancostume.net Dressing Ceciely: An Elizabethan paper doll. Catharine -------------- Original message from MaggiRos : -------------- > Somewhere on the internet there is a sort of paper > doll Elizabethan dress design thing. A basic figure > that you can add basic shapes of costume pieces to, > and get an idea of what you want. Unfortunately it's > bookmarked on a computer I no longer have1 does anyone > know what I'm talking about? And where it is? > > Thanks in advance, > > MaggiRos > > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org > coming soon in paperback! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 18:10:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47M9xuN031823 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:09:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47M9r4E007332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:09:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47M8nFx063196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 16:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47M8jv0040786; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47M8g1f040640 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bf0.276fec82 (65098) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:08:35 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12a3466b-c473-405b-9e4b-684ae4fadb99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482228B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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In a message dated 07/05/2008 19:01:22 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I hire college students to intern in the museum for which I work, and as part of the application process I require that they submit a college-level paper so that I can see how well they write (writing is part of the job). And the one person who wrote the most beautifully in the seven years I've been doing this was a native Danish speaker. The American college students couldn't write their way out of a paper bag. Quite frightening, actually.... (Even more frightening is that most of them can't identify the parts of a ruler or do basic fractions-- also things the job requires since we hang art to specific measurements. Meanwhile, my Danish student did all her calculations in metric and then converted them--correctly--to Imperial.) Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 19:23:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47NN0nc004062 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 19:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47NMsgY019619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 19:22:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47NMRWY067860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 17:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47NMQ63002600; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47NMNjB002575 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC233403E2 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Languages - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a9e72f2-4ba9-4922-8fa0-d3f29142f5a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482239CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 19:22:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is a bad joke around campus here. They call a person who knows two languages bilingual, what do they call someone who only knows one language... American. :P It is becoming a necessity here to learn Spanish because of the influx of people settling in the area that are coming from the south of the border. So that joke will be fading away in the near future. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 19:28:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m47NSOPY004487 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 19:28:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m47NSHGB032259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 19:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m47NS6IU068132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 17:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47NS5SH006652; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m47NRsQX006475 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web17-z02 ([10.127.132.168]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080507232749.WKSR14406.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web17-z02> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:27:49 +0000 Message-ID: <15453504.87651210202869244.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:27:49 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 034140ab-1c3f-4e2c-b691-3a07f18818cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48223B11.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate ---- scarlettday@bellsouth.net wrote: > Or is it this site? www.elizabethancostume.net Dressing Ceciely: An Elizabethan paper doll. > > Catharine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 7 22:20:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m482KVsp016483 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m482KQNN028179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:20:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m482JwKZ078539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 20:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m482JsCh029334; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m482JpeT029255 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [69.105.81.80] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtvjW-0003Gd-2K for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 May 2008 22:19:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <60CAFDC9-753C-42F8-A833-FBDF639F7F42@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:15:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c17371e895f0745dd26b7b2dff73ce1de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.81.80 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a0d2b51-b438-4b76-a6af-2b9b53a067b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4822636A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 May 2008 22:20:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 7, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Bonnie Booker wrote: > I think you are right. There has been mention from 16th c. of Queen > Elizabeth's favorite cauls being made of chains. Could this have been > done the same? There were "crochets and hooks" counted in Queen Mary's > belongings when she returned to the court of Henry VIII. Then there is > a cope in a Spanish museum they say is trimmed in crochet. It seems > strange these things keep popping up but everyone says crochet didn't > exist until the 19th century. Maybe it just wasn't the fad until then. Santina Levey says in _Lace: A History_ that there is a braid used as trimming mentioned in the 16th century (1580s) Earl of Leicester's inventory that she thinks is chain stitch made with a hook -- but she doesn't say *why* she came to that conclusion. Caul headdresses may have been trimmed with something similarly chain- like, but all the cauls I've seen have turned out to be made of solid fabric with diamond-shapes embroidered or couched onto the surface; they are not open hairnets in this era, or if they are, they are made in netting and always lined with fabric. Unfortunately, most of the supposed identifications of "crocheted" trim or "crochet hooks" earlier than at least the mid-1700s have turned out to be flawed when examined closely. The "hooks and crotchets" in Queen Mary's wardrobe are a classic example -- once you see them, you realize that they are dress hooks, used for fastening the opening to a dress (like modern hoks and eyes, only bigger) or for looping up portions of the skirt. They are basically a little flat rectangle of metal with a bent-metal hook that is more or less semi-circular in shape -- the modern item they remind me of is a cup hook (for hanging cups in a cupboard. We have surviving examples still attached to garments that demonstrate clearly how they were used. As I've said, I'm quite willing to believe Bjarne's example may be chain stitches and attachments made with a hook; I'm not dead set against there being crochet in the 18th century. But I see so many people jumping to conclusions from incomplete evidence that my initial response to most such suggestions is extreme skepticism until someone shows me really good evidence -- which it looks like Bjarne's example is. Yay for that! Really, I do understand why people keep trying to find crochet earlier. But we have so many examples of new things originating suddenly and then becoming fads in a very short time -- even in the Middle Ages and Renaissance, when we don't usually think that of that happening -- that I don't see any need to think crochet was around for any length of time before it "caught on." My favorite example of a quick fad is, in fact, the rosary, which originated in more or less its present form around 1470: an amazing 100,000 people from all over Europe joined rosary confraternities in just seven years, from 1475 to 1481. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 00:35:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m484ZoR2024496 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:35:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m484ZjJj006625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m484Z5xk087587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 22:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m484Z3Zl017013; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m484YxrD016958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.243] (core-dc-1-243.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m484Ymoa005704 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:34:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <60CAFDC9-753C-42F8-A833-FBDF639F7F42@igc.org> References: <15861297.1210095681428.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002001c8afa5$664f3230$fd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> <3586f5070805061323i3dda0429hc33756f941adc307@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0805061731x19130898ra837e7aad7efd593@mail.gmail.com> <60CAFDC9-753C-42F8-A833-FBDF639F7F42@igc.org> Message-Id: <62F88367-EE1D-4405-8151-70314907F970@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:34:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e9a3f97-d508-45fd-9859-2d214472ed6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48228321.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 May 2008 00:35:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 7, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Chris Laning wrote: > As I've said, I'm quite willing to believe Bjarne's example may be = > chain stitches and attachments made with a hook; I'm not dead set = > against there being crochet in the 18th century. > Really, I do understand why people keep trying to find crochet = > earlier. 18th Century costume reseachers have known about that example =97 = the book from the Met has been out for quite some time! Also fly = fringe bits are strung together either with a chain, a braid or a = woven tape. Rick Hill of Colonial Williamsburg researched and taught = fringe-making, showing examples of all. Crochet had to develop somehow. Tambour work was in use = (although it really gained popularity in the 1780s) =97 it being a = chain of embroidery made with a hook. It's not surprising someone = would try it as a stand-alone chain. Similarly, knotting in the 18thC was done with a shuttle that = resembled a tatting shuttle. Tatting as we know it developed later. Generally when people ask about crochet or tatting in relation = to the 18thC, they mean the lace and have a specific example at = hand. That's why we often hear it did not exist at the time, it's = the answer to those questions. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 00:50:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m484ouRI025315 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:50:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m484ooq4026477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m484oXEr088618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 22:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m484oXuZ026837; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m484oTcS026812 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Jty5M2DVZ-0002Dr; Thu, 08 May 2008 00:50:29 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8b0c6$d0bdec20$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4821CBE4.5080705@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:48:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18pLMnbDbksGUGEgHvvb3aPQ9w8eExfjTKOC48 i8beDLIEHZjlEiIAIZ9LGbIPYodiZOQv2Dyw07/9umRMD15Idy KoRTG456FFPlMZY5yIIeg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rare Textiles From Honduras Ruins Suggests Mayans ProducedFine Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd175ac0-29b3-4b04-9b6d-82b8335c1262 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482286AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 May 2008 00:50:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Dawn for the link. What wonderful research Margaret is doing! There are some nice links on that webpage about the Mayans. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 01:07:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4857kwQ026226 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 01:07:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4857dHh017235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 01:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4857LYA089206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 May 2008 23:07:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4857KpO036203; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4857IFM036128 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtyLZ-0002WQ-5e for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 May 2008 01:07:13 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 22:26:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53fc420cc94b69953a1a16cbdc0daf45bee5c61cfd62608284350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38186f1e-9148-4096-bd00-2c3c55c82942 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48228A9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 May 2008 01:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:02 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: >This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, >wherever you are! > >About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Books - right around 1100 Magazines - too many years to count of Sew News, Threads, Creative Machine Embroidery, Art Doll Quarterly, and a few issues of others along the way. >What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Don't remember now. >What was your most recent purchase? Several - at Costume Con 26 - Il Costume Popolare in Italia by Emma Calderini - 1946 - over half the book is color plates, it's in Italian (which we don't read, but Pierre's brother does....) Gothic Painting by Jacques Dupont and Cesare Gnudi - 1954 - Study of paintings between the 12th and 14th centuries - 110 color plates printed separately and hand-leaved in. (Margaret Manatt of "The Gilded Bat" (vintage costume books and other stuph) is WAAAAYY too dangerous to shop at!) And others.... >What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when >purchasing a publication? Don't remember. >About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? None >What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on >fire, you would take it with you. QEWU and Dressing a Galaxy (the one with the fabric swatches) >What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! The Illustrated Hassle-Free Make Your Own Clothes Book - a hippie book from the 60's or 70's - a quarter or so at a library sale.... >Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Yes - the guest room has 3 bookcases and the upstairs landing has 3 also, plus one in Pierre's sewing room. >When did you start collecting? 20+ years ago >Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure - definitely don't make any money from this!! >Optional questions: > >How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? 6 - Janome 11000, Husquvarna Designer 1, 25+ yr old Kenmore mechanical, a basic White serger, a Janome SewMini for travel, and a cobbler's machine we haven't had a chance to play with yet. >How many sewing patterns do you own? A 4-drawer filing cabinet stuffed full, a 3-drawer filing cabinet full, and several boxes and paper grocery bags stuffed and not sorted. One of the more urgent "house projects" to be taken care of soon is organizing them. Probably close to 400 or 500 total. >I would like to add one more question: > >Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid >for a book, collection of work, etc. We won't tell your mate! >LOL! You don't have to name give the title, just in case you were >taken to the cleaners on a purchase. Example: a book and the amount. Don't remember the book or amount, but almost guaranteed it came from the above mentioned Margaret Manatt. Sandy >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 09:33:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m48DXl2j007856 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 09:33:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m48DXdOw002843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 09:33:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m48DSJf6015657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 May 2008 07:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48DSHBc069920; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48DSDQ3069807 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail09.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.109]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080508132808H01000fghce>; Thu, 8 May 2008 13:28:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.109] Received: from [63.241.202.8] by fwebmail09.isp.att.net; Thu, 08 May 2008 13:28:07 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:28:07 +0000 Message-Id: <050820081328.29957.4822FFE7000A441A0000750522218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21619ffc-850d-4144-b026-c8aedf050b8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48230133.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 May 2008 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A question has come up on another list about mourning colors in Europe during the Renaissance. Black was obviously worn for fashion, not necessarily mourning. Some sources say that white was worn for mourning in France. What say you? Thanks for your input, Jane In No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 09:50:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m48Do6RV008552 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 09:50:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m48DnrWU027196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m48DnSBR017036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 May 2008 07:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48DnRcr089124; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48DnPbu089051 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so903128rvb.11 for ; Thu, 08 May 2008 06:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.86.14 with SMTP id o14mr1525988rvl.278.1210254562382; Thu, 08 May 2008 06:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660805080649n184f6fc7k382deb23f8ac3670@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:49:22 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <050820081328.29957.4822FFE7000A441A0000750522218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <050820081328.29957.4822FFE7000A441A0000750522218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2621a2e1-c445-4a38-aefe-f5cfb035faed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48230501.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 May 2008 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the 16th century I can tell you this much. Black was worn for initial mourning, the first year or two, and is associated with "deepest mourning". A cap of linen with a pleated veil was typical in France, and that would usually be white. Deepest mourning was typically depicted by all black, the white pleated veil of France is one exception that I know of. For secondary mourning other colors were deep grey, white, deep purple and black. Henry VIII wore deepest mourning for a full year after the death of Jane Seymour. Phillip the Bold (IIRC) wore deepest mourning for his father from his early 30s? until his own death. Mary Queen of Scots wore deepest mourning for at least a full year after the death of Frances. Widows would usually wear mourning until a second marriage, or for the rest of their lives. One way that a widow could signal a willingness to marry was to put off the black. Although it was socially expected that even a young woman would wear mourning for a husband for at least two years, one year of deepest mourning and at least one year of secondary. (and here I might be slipping into Victorian custom, so I'll stop.) That's the best I can do off the top of my head. Bridgette. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Jane Pease wrote: > A question has come up on another list about mourning colors in Europe during the Renaissance. Black was obviously worn for fashion, not necessarily mourning. Some sources say that white was worn for mourning in France. What say you? > > Thanks for your input, > > Jane In No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 12:26:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m48GQtvw015559 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:26:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m48GQoWs011561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m48GQ9PH030715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 May 2008 10:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48GQ6JA052734; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m48GQ35d052602 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67559 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 16:26:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WhvqmrcVM1mRCDAbrgRQ.tF6ju2aOACIVBE3LQklGMG6bV_otmQFz.asGlyS9xYj8I21XLOTxnvQ0FKxuR4OIdF_gLhFzjWh7LlV8qLLCgjTyf8gF3bnb0lJuxk- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:26:00 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <388163.66829.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fe35f95-cf5e-4193-ab16-a00b3bbda6c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482329CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks! --- zelda crusher wrote: > > Is this what you are looking for? > > http://www.sempstress.org/tools/dialadress.shtml > > > Laurie > > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 8 12:27:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m48GRkQJ015588 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:27:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m48GRehA011823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m48GRLeu030864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 May 2008 10:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m48GRKML054150; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m48GRHZG053984 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68408 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 16:27:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L7T8KDQVM1kjWdPv0.1gyxHU9vLH5uX8aEClY7oBbxjDD72pVGPEjzaORWIRZNN0GUlMU9UlCsYgl.uhCWeo9zvMTft5XDLMwc1PGUQ2GLwlHljQdFWnlEvZSi8- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:27:15 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <15453504.87651210202869244.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <419689.67511.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan dress generator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec4aa6c9-89d1-4958-a3b4-0f8fbea3f053 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482329FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Worked fine. > > Kate > ---- scarlettday@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Or is it this site? www.elizabethancostume.net > Dressing Ceciely: An Elizabethan paper doll. > > > > Catharine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 04:03:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4983T74018605 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 04:03:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4983LsO010288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 04:03:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4982inm092871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 02:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4982dmf074860; Fri, 9 May 2008 02:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4982YnS074732 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 02:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m4982Rh28049.; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:02:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 May 2008 09:02:27 +0100 Message-Id: <4824131502000014000E994E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:02:13 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1544ac7-0da9-4209-84ce-8893938012cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48240549.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 08:36:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49CaUN0024866 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:36:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49CaO6c001305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:36:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49Ca0RM005129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 06:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49CZwZk029254; Fri, 9 May 2008 06:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49CZtq8029169 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 06:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PNvt1Z0071HzFnQ5205h00; Fri, 09 May 2008 12:35:19 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PQbp1Z00H0CKaGd3a00000; Fri, 09 May 2008 12:35:50 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AXrie9_RmGUA:10 a=XQT_-zFImRUA:10 a=7yTWkemFf-jxhydePPcA:9 a=kr152R13rvYoXmyujOuCSRjlWK8A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Message-ID: <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abd41196-fd67-4e9a-afd8-8b8ba33b2381 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48244549.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 08:36:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Illustrated Hassle-Free Make Your Own Clothes Book - a hippie book from the 60's or 70's - a quarter or so at a library sale>> Hee hee. I have that book too. It's..um....interesting! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 08:57:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49Cv95j025630 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:57:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49Cv3VF012813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:57:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49CuqHC006619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 06:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Cuqpb044846; Fri, 9 May 2008 06:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49CuoEX044829 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 06:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1439891rvb.11 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 05:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.126.10 with SMTP id y10mr2137560rvc.214.1210337810417; Fri, 09 May 2008 05:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 05:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660805090556u3794861fx6fc98f24a51d1d9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:56:50 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4824131502000014000E994E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4824131502000014000E994E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b41d18a6-6dd6-4ab5-ab8a-ad0aa0e42efe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48244A1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 08:57:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here is the portrait of Mary in the French White Mourning veil. Note that she is wearing a simple French cut gown in black? beneath it. Mari http://www.nationalgalleries.org/media_collection/6/PG%20186.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 09:33:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49DXR1H027546 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:33:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49DXM4c016488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:33:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49DX2fv009008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 07:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49DX2On071189; Fri, 9 May 2008 07:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49DWxHA071129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 07:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m49DWw70058839 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:32:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72adc2660805090556u3794861fx6fc98f24a51d1d9f@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aed1ed5b-8a56-4ee8-800b-d94bcbf95996 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482452A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 09:33:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The white pleated wimple (like in this portrait) was worn in Ireland by widows in the 16th century. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:57 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe Here is the portrait of Mary in the French White Mourning veil. Note that she is wearing a simple French cut gown in black? beneath it. Mari http://www.nationalgalleries.org/media_collection/6/PG%20186.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 11:42:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49FgetE032160 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49FgXBa007552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49Fg3Ok019850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 09:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Fg0k4093168; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Ffx3M093062 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1511569rvb.11 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.36.10 with SMTP id o10mr2226186rvj.176.1210347713636; Fri, 09 May 2008 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660805090841g35c6806fu444a97be61bfd82b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:53 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660805090556u3794861fx6fc98f24a51d1d9f@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fba75e9-d735-4d0d-bd8a-e4457f8ad70e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482470E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hmmmmm.... that's interesting. > The white pleated wimple (like in this portrait) was worn in Ireland by > widows in the 16th century. > > Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 11:57:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49FvOL7032662 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:57:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49FvJKu003271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:57:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49Fuwbj021010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 09:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Fuvo2009726; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49FurZb009668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m49Fur1R073338 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72adc2660805090841g35c6806fu444a97be61bfd82b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ebb9f54-f638-456b-9b12-6158d6476cf5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4824745F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 11:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ireland tended to be about 50 years behind the times as far as fashion went. So it was always assumed that this widow's wimple was just a hold-over from the late medieval period. But the portrait of Mary Queen of Scots you showed makes me think that it wasn't so much an Irish-only thing. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe Hmmmmm.... that's interesting. > The white pleated wimple (like in this portrait) was worn in Ireland by > widows in the 16th century. > > Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 12:11:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49GBa5J000591 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:11:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49GBVrB020929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49GBGCM022277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 10:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GBFNm024443; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GBEA5024350 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1524455rvb.11 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 09:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr2247861rvf.95.1210349471074; Fri, 09 May 2008 09:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660805090911v542da97er96a6457572872129@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:11:10 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660805090841g35c6806fu444a97be61bfd82b@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83f439ab-355b-4296-80a2-54574843ecd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482477B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 12:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm wondering if there is a Roman-Catholic / Gallic link... On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Kass McGann wrote: > Ireland tended to be about 50 years behind the times as far as fashion went. > So it was always assumed that this widow's wimple was just a hold-over from > the late medieval period. But the portrait of Mary Queen of Scots you > showed makes me think that it wasn't so much an Irish-only thing. > > Kass > > Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? 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They never expire! > http://reconstructinghistory.com > http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ > http://kass-rants.livejournal.com > http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:42 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe > > > Hmmmmm.... that's interesting. > > >> The white pleated wimple (like in this portrait) was worn in Ireland by >> widows in the 16th century. >> >> Kass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 12:19:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49GJAOj000867 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:19:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49GJ5Bb009037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49GITFv022823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 10:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GIRS5031731; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GIOKt031663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m49GIOdc075504 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72adc2660805090911v542da97er96a6457572872129@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad3a0e85-e276-463b-aab5-2cd291669a02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48247979.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 12:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's certainly possible. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe I'm wondering if there is a Roman-Catholic / Gallic link... On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Kass McGann wrote: > Ireland tended to be about 50 years behind the times as far as fashion went. > So it was always assumed that this widow's wimple was just a hold-over from > the late medieval period. But the portrait of Mary Queen of Scots you > showed makes me think that it wasn't so much an Irish-only thing. > > Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 12:21:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49GLbNf000950 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:21:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49GLVWb016411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49GL2Sw023134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 10:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GL1tn034576; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49GKxKG034530 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 10:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so628609wri.8 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.26.18 with SMTP id 18mr4371679waz.130.1210350058717; Fri, 09 May 2008 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:20:58 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aa147c5-cbbc-4579-ac2b-eaa9eb6fc021 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48247A0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 12:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gosh, me too. I made a bunch of stuff from it in the 70s. I've even based some basic costumes on stuff in there - wizards, very early chemises, my first SCA event outfit... Not top of my list, but I don't think I could ever give it away. That stuff might come back into style some day! Lynn On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dianne wrote: > The Illustrated Hassle-Free Make Your Own Clothes Book - a hippie > book from the 60's or 70's - a quarter or so at a library sale>> > > Hee hee. I have that book too. It's..um....interesting! > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 15:46:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49Jk11V008422 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:46:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49JjuVd007749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:46:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49JjPC9043833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 13:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49JjLQn036564; Fri, 9 May 2008 13:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49JjIxG036423 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 13:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anastasi55@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1589110rvb.0 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr2327852rvq.280.1210362313027; Fri, 09 May 2008 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.20 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8c0f98b30805091245h29bc14dcpca0045da86b7a4b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:45:13 -0400 From: "Stacey Dunleavy" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Free Mangle! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e54dbf2-7f33-41bf-8fed-70f80f7267a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4824A9F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Here's the link: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/zip/672307891.html Good luck _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 17:08:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49L8dAd011235 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 17:08:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49L8YPr006642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 17:08:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49L89Z2053575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 15:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49L874R018067; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49L84Ad018008 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1651722rvb.11 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr2364292rvi.277.1210367284259; Fri, 09 May 2008 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805091408v1967a3b0t15126c0271cadf39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:08:04 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cfc138c-726f-4347-9cdc-ea6e931895a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4824BD52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Sidney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 17:55:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49LtSfn012589 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 17:55:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49LtNTK025507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 17:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49Lt9tt056990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 15:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Lt9Yx061037; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49Lt6Wa060920 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB4D12BAF4 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 16:55:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4824D63B.4020105@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:54:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> <674184e90805091408v1967a3b0t15126c0271cadf39@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <674184e90805091408v1967a3b0t15126c0271cadf39@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold bibliography X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91226066-d5a9-44d1-b1d8-f2f06f8ac62d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4824C84C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 17:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is there a collected list of her lifelong works? I have Patterns of Fashion and QEWU, but would like to see some of the articles and short pieces she wrote. Anyone got a good bibliography for her? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 18:05:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m49M5Wp1012891 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 18:05:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m49M5R6q000496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 18:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m49M56cO057685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 16:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49M56et070033; Fri, 9 May 2008 16:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m49M52Je069869 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 16:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0M0037YFZS1M80@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 May 2008 18:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 18:04:36 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4824D63B.4020105@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold bibliography X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c48c97d3-1214-49ba-8364-22591c3614ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4824CAA7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 18:05:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Dawn-- There used to be one online. Google Janet Arnold. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold bibliography Is there a collected list of her lifelong works? I have Patterns of Fashion and QEWU, but would like to see some of the articles and short pieces she wrote. Anyone got a good bibliography for her? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 20:28:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A0StJi017607 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 20:28:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A0SmIu031356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 20:28:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A0SBUo065660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 18:28:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A0S8Us070903; Fri, 9 May 2008 18:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A0S5CE070846 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 18:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF3F512B for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:28:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-86.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-86.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.86]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:28:03 +1000 Message-ID: <1210379283.4824ec135abd9@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:28:03 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <8c0f98b30805091245h29bc14dcpca0045da86b7a4b5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8c0f98b30805091245h29bc14dcpca0045da86b7a4b5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] I'll have you know (was Free Mangle)... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52161d67-cb45-42be-bdf5-7ebb6856344b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4824EC40.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ...that if anyone's gonna mangle costumes around here, it's gonna be me! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 9 22:58:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A2wwmr022266 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 22:58:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A2wrNM024612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 22:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A2wbdH072911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 20:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A2waPA054629; Fri, 9 May 2008 20:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A2wZmn054615 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 20:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so365159ana.65 for ; Fri, 09 May 2008 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.229.12 with SMTP id b12mr6668256anh.60.1210388314802; Fri, 09 May 2008 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.165.7 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2008 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:58:34 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01bc3e46-60f3-43d0-9a2d-c17396592557 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48250F6D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 May 2008 22:58:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (Hi, Kass!) I don't know, lots of the REST of the Irish garments we see in period art are a lot old. I think the wimple is just a wimple, though maybe you would be more likely to see an old widow-lady wearing one. The Chief's wife in Derrick's Banquet is wearing a wimple. They are still wearing turbans and short veils and cotehardie, nearly, as well as the fact that the identifying cultural garment for men is still a dress. (You can only call it that if you have been married to someone who wears one. - I made that up.) Regina in L.A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 00:57:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A4vthn026526 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 00:57:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A4voQL017606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 00:57:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A4v9aI078400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 22:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A4v7Vm018607; Fri, 9 May 2008 22:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A4v3JG018547 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 22:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PgFh1Z0060xGWP85801q00; Sat, 10 May 2008 04:56:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pgwu1Z0024jAXBL3Y00000; Sat, 10 May 2008 04:56:56 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AXrie9_RmGUA:10 a=XQT_-zFImRUA:10 a=QdhO38ocvwT-zy2JziwA:9 a=R0k8LesR8YTl39HYPUY1JeyROlEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <6.2.3.4.2.20080507220914.040b0a20@pop.radiks.net> <019501c8b1d1$397a0b80$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <8296995c0805090920k7bbcf957q4c7fb5473112342b@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <9AC6EF21-62FE-4E9A-9746-160F1CD4B0A8@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:55:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62717537-2907-42a9-b2c1-3283b056be81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48252B4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 00:57:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I still recommend this book to newbie costumers, especially teens, who are no end amused by its groovieness. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 01:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A575lp026908 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:07:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A56wqb009426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A56kua078843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 23:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A56jwu023526; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A56hwk023485 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PgUh1Z05S0vp7WLA603G00; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:06:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ph6e1Z0034jAXBL8R00000; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:06:40 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VeUOVglzwXyMg24TajkA:9 a=XZrNQ5xKkkhnC-NMq4ceHTJGBxcA:4 a=PoIT3gU5z9IA:10 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <7F11C6F8-2C3B-45CE-A1DD-6DFB31EA1E7D@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:05:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a1d2e11-0042-4db2-bdc1-ec8ce0d79bd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48252D72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 01:07:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Speaking of Ms. Arnold, does anyone know of any pictures of her? I just find it so strange that I have no idea what such an important person in our field looked like. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 01:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A5IYt3027431 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:18:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A5ITKK003993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A5I93e079157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 23:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A5I9Fq028844; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A5I6VS028776 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:18:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JuhT6-0007ez-U4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:18:01 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080509234529.032ebb70@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:03:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <702312.11330.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <702312.11330.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53fc420cc94b69953ad266799e081745bbaa9bc3383adab7dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing and embroidery machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10777d2b-bb0d-4ce2-865a-c953805b72dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48253025.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 01:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Getting into this discussion late, as with the 2 week Costume-Con hiatus, I'm still catching up on this list (lots of good stuff to read!). Anyway, my 2 cents: Pierre has a Husquvarna Designer 1 and loves it. He has all the newest toys that have come out for it - the XL hoop, the "endless" hoop, etc., and the newest software. He is the digitizer in the family - since all of the things we do are originals (originals as in not pre-digitized, sometimes, and sometimes drawn by us as well), and he's the one who can draw. I pick the colors, though. He wouldn't have any other machine. While I don't know about the newer machines like the SE or the new one, be aware that the Viking software requires that a "dongle" be installed on the computer for the software to work. If I can get him to chime in this weekend, he can give more details on digitizing. I do know that you can do a large object in several pieces, as we did one - a large dragon for the front of a costume. I have the Janome 11000 and I love it also - we're very machine specific - He doesn't like my Janome and I don't like his Viking - just small differences in the way things are done (both sewing and embroidery) and how the machine "feels" cause this. They're both excellent machines. The cool thing was that when we got my Janome, we didn't have to get different software - the Husqvarna/Viking software will output in the Janome format. It might output in others as well. The Janome will use either a standard flash drive or a machine-specific card, and can be connected to the computer as well - 3 ways of entering designs. One thing I like about the Janome is it is very well lit - I can work in a room with lesser lighting than I would normally like, because the lights are both bright enough, and they are full-spectrum. I think it has 3 or 4 lights. It comes with a bunch of feet, 2 hoops, etc. What I really like about the Janome line is that a few years ago, they came out with an attachment that mimics a stand-alone machine called the "Omnistitcher". What it does is allow you to apply cording, yarn, thin trim, etc. with a free-motion movement rather than running it thru a cording foot. I have used this for several things to apply passementerie (or the fantasy version thereof) to costumes. It is very quick and easy to do intricate scroll patterns with this - you can even do cursive writing! As a side note, we both really like the Robison-Anton line of embroidery thread. We have a lot fewer problems stitching out embroideries with this than with Sulky. HTH, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 01:20:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A5KiHV027507 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:20:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A5KZi7004810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A5KIE4079216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 May 2008 23:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A5KI6M029903; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4A5KEZZ029819 for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 23:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 62518 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2008 05:20:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aCpxCXkVM1krg8_m7J3BdTpxI8XGWFTC7xcSF.W9zrsE_iVRwCxM1PBKmiaG.5P8VySqwljAB80S1hLjF9PYDA11BirUpMLhmDrpP1Uo5buzTXqmIIDyHPsw0Q-- Received: from [121.45.0.242] by web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 May 2008 22:20:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <935954.61611.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 897a9a38-2dce-406c-8dc4-adb391349b49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482530A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margo<<<<< There's this one: http://www.vivahotels.com/images/news_images/janet-arnold= /Janet-Arnold-1.jpg = =A0 >From here: http://www.vivahotels.com/uk/events/costume-colloquium-a-tribute= -to-janet-arnold.htm =A0 =A0Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net = Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 03:00:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A70GLH020324 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:00:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A70BlT024617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:00:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A6xhnD085560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 00:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A6xf5U087734; Sat, 10 May 2008 00:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A6xcvH087654 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 00:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080510065932.MZBT24465.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:59:32 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id PizY1Z0052wVAe002izYuS; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:59:32 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4824D63B.4020105@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 02:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c8b26b$6618df50$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciyIRZtXvNjdmdxSbCjntQnGfCYvwASjSAg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold bibliography X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 456d3d63-3914-4409-8144-3447b1d8bb4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482547FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 03:29:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A7SxEn024076 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:28:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A7SsOc015022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:28:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A7SZ9E086612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 01:28:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A7SXRR002212; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A7SUPT002160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 01:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:4013 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JujVI-0008UB-0z for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:28:25 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080510082644.0385c6e0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:28:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <935954.61611.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <935954.61611.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd4b0c4f-b9b5-4457-bb5d-b594ac61455c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48254EB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 03:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 06:20 10/05/2008, you wrote: >----- Original Message ---- >From: Margo Anderson >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Image > >Speaking of Ms. Arnold, does anyone know of any pictures of her? I >just find it so strange that I have no idea what such an important >person in our field looked like. > >Margo<<<<< >There's this one: >http://www.vivahotels.com/images/news_images/janet-arnold/Janet-Arnold-1.jpg > > >From here: > http://www.vivahotels.com/uk/events/costume-colloquium-a-tribute-to-janet-arnold.htm > I have personal photos of Janet Arnold - how do I post them to the forum? I really don't particularly want to post them to Photobucket, but will if I have to. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 05:11:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4A9BGqM004675 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:11:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4A9BBRP001485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4A9Ab1i090813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 03:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A9AWdZ060943; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:10:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4A9AVBH060930 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 03:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1804561rvb.11 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr2622220rvl.87.1210410630880; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 02:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:10:30 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df45c0ac-48a8-4f5a-8232-5f21d03e8c93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482566AF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sidney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 07:22:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ABMpC6028574 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:22:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ABMl6h008943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ABLAkG096764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 05:21:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ABL82Y035840; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ABL5vK035753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=60074 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1Jun8C-0004ck-RL for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:20:59 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 10 May 2008 06:20:41 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:20:36 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <0091AD1B41A8411CA602AC2385D17817@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-reply-to: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AciyfgnLyzoHfeO/Q+ybbKXBfTsnRwAEWH1w X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 07:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this the same machine I know as a "serger"? I generally use the cones of thread which are mostly Polyester; though I suspect it would be best to coordinate your needle thread(s) with your fabric as is usually done for standard sewing machines. Hope this helps, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of S Young Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Overlocker thread Hi All, What is better for an overlocker, cotton or polyester? Yes this is a very open ended question! What do you find best to use in what situations. Sidney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 07:30:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ABUL5A029507 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:30:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ABUEHR029891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:30:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ABTvIP097330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 05:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ABTvfe041512; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ABTs2O041442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:4323 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JunGu-0001bn-NG for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 May 2008 06:29:49 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080510122553.038768c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:29:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <0091AD1B41A8411CA602AC2385D17817@PYC64> References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <0091AD1B41A8411CA602AC2385D17817@PYC64> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a5a94e1-b008-4b24-bc8a-06fae2822605 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48258747.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 07:30:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 12:20 10/05/2008, you wrote: >Is this the same machine I know as a "serger"? > >I generally use the cones of thread which are mostly Polyester; though I >suspect it would be best to coordinate your needle thread(s) with your >fabric as is usually done for standard sewing machines. Hope this helps, >Betsy > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of S Young >Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:11 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Overlocker thread > >Hi All, > >What is better for an overlocker, cotton or polyester? Yes this is a >very open ended question! > >What do you find best to use in what situations. In the U.K. I have always tried to buy proper overlocker thread, sold on big cones, for my old Singer industrial machine. When it was first made that was all that was available, so that is what it was made for. However, on certain occasions, like trying to match a specific colour, I do use whatever happens to match. As a side note, I really hate synthetic thread of any kind, and recently found a real bargain in a box of 1000 metre white cotton thread spools - a thread which has been discontinued in the U.K. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 09:40:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ADeINN004361 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:40:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ADeDaQ020804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ADCtk6002613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 07:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ADCrck011999; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4ADCnel011890 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 07:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15939 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2008 13:12:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xzxWCBAVM1ks9nhoMu2ezUs0YKOPMBzhNR4igIvtmYt1o8UTugDZoSZ3GZ0eLCvPGxyCYrHz4sCoDhhspjCSskSV2v92N_V1p0H4472K3_pN2T1GnOpiANuOAk4- Received: from [98.18.79.57] by web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 06:12:44 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080509234529.032ebb70@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <279941.9747.qm@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing and embroidery machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d844d79a-b775-441e-a01b-0cf76fd3d13f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4825A5BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 09:40:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am so glad you mentioned the Designer 1 machine. I am purchasing one from a friend who bought it with all the accessories, but her health won't let her use it much. It is to be my first embroidery machine, so any advice will be greatly appreciated. She bought the extra software too, though I'm not sure yet what all that entails. Thanks, Vicky Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Getting into this discussion late, as with the 2 week Costume-Con hiatus, I'm still catching up on this list (lots of good stuff to read!). Anyway, my 2 cents: Pierre has a Husquvarna Designer 1 and loves it. He has all the newest toys that have come out for it - the XL hoop, the "endless" hoop, etc., and the newest software. He is the digitizer in the family - since all of the things we do are originals (originals as in not pre-digitized, sometimes, and sometimes drawn by us as well), and he's the one who can draw. I pick the colors, though. He wouldn't have any other machine. While I don't know about the newer machines like the SE or the new one, be aware that the Viking software requires that a "dongle" be installed on the computer for the software to work. If I can get him to chime in this weekend, he can give more details on digitizing. I do know that you can do a large object in several pieces, as we did one - a large dragon for the front of a costume. I have the Janome 11000 and I love it also - we're very machine specific - He doesn't like my Janome and I don't like his Viking - just small differences in the way things are done (both sewing and embroidery) and how the machine "feels" cause this. They're both excellent machines. The cool thing was that when we got my Janome, we didn't have to get different software - the Husqvarna/Viking software will output in the Janome format. It might output in others as well. The Janome will use either a standard flash drive or a machine-specific card, and can be connected to the computer as well - 3 ways of entering designs. One thing I like about the Janome is it is very well lit - I can work in a room with lesser lighting than I would normally like, because the lights are both bright enough, and they are full-spectrum. I think it has 3 or 4 lights. It comes with a bunch of feet, 2 hoops, etc. What I really like about the Janome line is that a few years ago, they came out with an attachment that mimics a stand-alone machine called the "Omnistitcher". What it does is allow you to apply cording, yarn, thin trim, etc. with a free-motion movement rather than running it thru a cording foot. I have used this for several things to apply passementerie (or the fantasy version thereof) to costumes. It is very quick and easy to do intricate scroll patterns with this - you can even do cursive writing! As a side note, we both really like the Robison-Anton line of embroidery thread. We have a lot fewer problems stitching out embroideries with this than with Sulky. HTH, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 10:25:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4AEPG89005982 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4AEPAW3004121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4AEOnOh006122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 08:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AEOll5060397; Sat, 10 May 2008 08:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AEOiH4060315 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 08:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pnet1Z0040b6N64A40AK00; Sat, 10 May 2008 14:24:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PqQd1Z00C00zNUK8P00000; Sat, 10 May 2008 14:24:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=eVX1VhXiakxn5s53B3EA:9 a=UO1gZskXzn8XUf6JHvEA:7 a=6OMOw4K7x2hKVwGercthy4o_T3IA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:24:36 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cbff035-8411-4bfb-90ff-b3a2634f0688 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4825B046.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I never use cotton thread for anything, as I live in a dry climate, and it breaks faster. I think I read that poly has more give to it as well. I just use the cheap poly cone threads that are made for sergers. One question relating to threads I have is does anyone think that cotton covered poly threads are better or worse for regular machine sewing than all poly? Joanns just discontinued the former. Sylvia On May 10, 2008, at 3:10 AM, S Young wrote: > Hi All, > > What is better for an overlocker, cotton or polyester? Yes this is a > very open ended question! > > What do you find best to use in what situations. > > Sidney > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 12:38:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4AGcDOV010477 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4AGc9L1013960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:38:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4AGbkeU014400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 10:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AGbhN5052517; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AGbeWn052419 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail17.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.117]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080510163735H04001nimre>; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:37:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.117] Received: from [67.101.59.128] by fwebmail17.isp.att.net; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:37:34 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:37:34 +0000 Message-Id: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24de2321-2b70-47d4-aebf-61b21e8d2a75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4825CF71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 12:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone have any experience with/comments on Bernina machines? Thanks Jane In rainy No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 15:53:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4AJr9q9017059 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:53:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4AJr3KA012989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:53:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4AJqhZI024220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 13:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AJqeZn082721; Sat, 10 May 2008 13:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4AJqc8F082701 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 13:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so2198175wah.3 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.1 with SMTP id t1mr5604230wai.196.1210449158384; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.4 with HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:52:38 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Bernina, was: Re: Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b6147c1-52c1-4639-b610-44137dbfe952 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4825FD20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 15:53:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Jane, Greetings from soggy Fauquier County! :) I have a Bernina Artista 200e, which I adore. It performs superbly as a standard sewing machine, can do overlock/serging, and is really excellent at embroidery. It has fairly easy to understand instructions on scanning new designs, can hoop very well and easily, and even has an attachment for embroidering on baseball caps. The Artista series is about 3 years old now, but I really love mine. :) If you're nearby, give me a holler offline if you'd like to come by and play with it sometime; I think getting to actually sew or embroider on a machine is a good idea. Cheers, Sharon On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:37:34 +0000 > From: "Jane Pease" > Subject: [h-cost] Sewing and Embroidery Machines > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Anyone have any experience with/comments on Bernina machines? > > Thanks > > Jane In rainy No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 17:18:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ALI5sj020265 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ALHvgn014623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ALHWiD028267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 15:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ALHVTX035628; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ALHRxc035583 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.102] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1690109328 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:17:27 -0500 Message-ID: <008501c8b2e3$42923ea0$66a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89df50ca-1d08-4991-a307-29cb6b19c2ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48261105.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I never use cotton thread for anything, as I live in a dry climate, and > it breaks faster. I think I read that poly has more give to it as > well. I just use the cheap poly cone threads that are made for > sergers. One question relating to threads I have is does anyone think > that cotton covered poly threads are better or worse for regular > machine sewing than all poly? Joanns just discontinued the former. I have an older Viking, and if I use the cheap coned thread on that machine I have no end of trouble. Skipped stitches, bobbin snarls, tension binding, etc. I generally use Gutterman, which I think is a cotton/poly thread. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 17:56:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ALunNk021981 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:56:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ALuiJg002579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:56:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ALuHKK030224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 15:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ALuGAj057673; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ALuCOJ057572 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 15:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W23 ([65.55.138.58]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 10 May 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008501c8b2e3$42923ea0$66a73743@denise8541f2db> References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <008501c8b2e3$42923ea0$66a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2008 21:56:07.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[A693A5B0:01C8B2E8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3de41744-0658-4dde-b4ab-f06f52249e8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48261A1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 17:56:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I took a serging class at a community college with a woman who ran a sewing machine repair place (they sold used and Viking machines too.). She warned us that the large cones of thread sold as "serger thread" at places like Joannes were not good quality. (This does not include the quality threads like Gutterman etc -nor does it include the specialty threads like wooly nylon - they seem to work just fine) As a consequence I purchased thread from her but it never had any markings on it. I was fortunate enough to buy a set of the basic colors - black, white, cream, and grey.... That was almost 20 years ago and I still have plenty.... My guess is that it is industrial quality thread - and oddly enough we have several of those tailoring ends/discount fabric stores in Phoenix that sells trims, buttons, fabric, etc. They also sell what looks like thread cones which were used in industrial sewing construction, but perhaps were so color specific that when they were done with the "run" they just got rid of the thread. So, I guess I'd call it "used" thread - but I have never had any problems with any of it. Who knows who made it! Sg > From: landofoz@netins.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:17:31 -0500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread> > > I have an older Viking, and if I use the cheap coned thread on that machine > I have no end of trouble. Skipped stitches, bobbin snarls, tension binding, > etc. I generally use Gutterman, which I think is a cotton/poly thread.> > Denise B> Iowa > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 10 19:22:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ANMHVj026310 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 19:22:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ANMCkY003483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 19:22:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ANLkdp034110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 17:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ANLQPZ004494; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ANLNYW004419 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1265712BC69 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 18:21:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:21:08 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34ff25c6-ee28-4c68-b62b-f0b0b85f0b68 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48262E24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 May 2008 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > One question relating to threads I have is does anyone think > that cotton covered poly threads are better or worse for regular > machine sewing than all poly? I think it is going to depend on your machine and what you are sewing. Some of my older machines sew beautifully with silk and cotton threads, but snarl on any kind of polyester or synthetic thread. My new computerised Viking sews fine with brands like Metrosene and Mettler, but shreds silk thread. When I sew cotton fabrics I like to sew with cotton thread so the fibers all react the same way in the wash. Cotton threads can shrink in the wash and cause your seams to be come puckered. > Joanns just discontinued the former. > And lost my thread business. I still buy cotton covered poly from Hancock's. Sadly, I noticed about 12 years ago that the quality of Coats & Clark dropped significantly. They used to sell a rather smooth thread, and the newer thread is much coarser and has more slubs in it by comparison. You can see and feel the difference. Unfortunately, there isn't a good replacement for C&C. I was using Signature brand for a while there, but they discontinued their cotton home sewing thread a few years back, and I am down to my last couple of spools of it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 00:23:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4B4Nd8d008735 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:23:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4B4NX0E031249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:23:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4B4NHj2048113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 May 2008 22:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B4NFAS058387; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B4NBjf058309 for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jv35V-0003Eu-Kt for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:23:05 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080510230956.04d8c010@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 23:15:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53fc420cc94b69953aec1b92a512bac80d9f2c9c19b14f983d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] thread in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d11788f6-0c40-4984-8553-bff8aed8d6a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482674C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 00:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Defiinitely depends on the machine - my Janome works just fine with the super-fine monofilament thread (YLI wonder thread, available from Clotilde or Nancys Notions) or the Sulky clear poly thread, but Pierre's Designer 1 hates it - won't sew, breaks the thread, tangles in big loops on the bottom of the fabric, etc. I don't use it for everything, but sometimes you need clear thread 'cause nothing else matches. I don't use the Coats monofilament though - the contrast between the two is like the difference between 2 lb. test and 50 lb. test fishing line. I have also noticed the decline in quality of Coats thread. Unfortunately, the other brands don't come in anywhere near as many colors (at least in our area). Sandy At 07:21 PM 5/10/2008, you wrote: >Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > One question relating to threads I have is does anyone think > > that cotton covered poly threads are better or worse for regular > > machine sewing than all poly? >I think it is going to depend on your machine and what you are sewing. >Some of my older machines sew beautifully with silk and cotton threads, >but snarl on any kind of polyester or synthetic thread. My new >computerised Viking sews fine with brands like Metrosene and Mettler, >but shreds silk thread. > >Sadly, I noticed about 12 years ago that the quality of Coats & Clark >dropped significantly. They used to sell a rather smooth thread, and the >newer thread is much coarser and has more slubs in it by comparison. You >can see and feel the difference. > >Unfortunately, there isn't a good replacement for C&C. I was using >Signature brand for a while there, but they discontinued their cotton >home sewing thread a few years back, and I am down to my last couple of >spools of it. > >Dawn "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 03:33:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4B7XeZF017969 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:33:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4B7XZ4F032118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4B7X6DF055769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 01:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B7X319051953; Sun, 11 May 2008 01:33:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B7X2ev051932 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 01:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2736040wfa.23 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.166.1 with SMTP id o1mr2735020wfe.94.1210491182103; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.125.9 with HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805110033g5846768fs21479a35e544ce10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:33:02 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bernina, was: Re: Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8003fad4-2ed3-48b3-a528-44a991a8eb87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4826A14F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 03:33:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I did a quick google for your machine, WOW, it looks fantastic! Beats the crap out of my simple Janome US2022 which is just dead simple to use but nothing fancy. Sidney On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Sharon Henderson wrote: > Hi Jane, > > Greetings from soggy Fauquier County! :) > > I have a Bernina Artista 200e, which I adore. It performs superbly as a > standard sewing machine, can do overlock/serging, and is really excellent at > embroidery. It has fairly easy to understand instructions on scanning new > designs, can hoop very well and easily, and even has an attachment for > embroidering on baseball caps. The Artista series is about 3 years old now, > but I really love mine. :) > > If you're nearby, give me a holler offline if you'd like to come by and play > with it sometime; I think getting to actually sew or embroider on a machine > is a good idea. > > Cheers, > Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 03:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4B7vkAv019167 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:57:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4B7vfTs011819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4B7vBbB056747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 01:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B7vAdl063875; Sun, 11 May 2008 01:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B7v9Jn063863 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 01:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2744343wfa.23 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr2740041wfb.37.1210492628809; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.125.9 with HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:57:08 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 292b778f-3c63-4d16-84c3-582b0ca72076 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4826A6F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 03:57:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My best friend just bought a Bernina 440QE which she is very happy with. She had an early model Pfaff and another Bernina but they gather dust now that she has this one. Sidney On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jane Pease wrote: > Anyone have any experience with/comments on Bernina machines? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 04:07:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4B87PEA019593 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:07:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4B87KZ7013113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:07:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4B875KR057109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 02:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B8757K068792; Sun, 11 May 2008 02:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B873WE068717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 02:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:1280 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jv6a9-0003c7-7O for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:06:57 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:45 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f0303b1-00cf-44c8-8bdb-7cc60b2397d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4826A938.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 04:07:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong with the main machine. So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do different things? Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 04:18:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4B8I69p020422 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:18:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4B8I0dV020932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:18:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4B8HhWM057502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 02:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B8HhRB074182; Sun, 11 May 2008 02:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B8Hfa8074121 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 02:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BLU136-W12 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 11 May 2008 01:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.170.156.110] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 01:17:35 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2008 08:17:35.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[78056470:01C8B33F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b5b2f4f-a2a6-43a9-ad4a-bc6f66758819 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4826ABB8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 04:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Speaking just for myself, I taught my kids to sew. Snarling was heard over some people "hogging" the machine. Then I had one croak in the middle of a major project, and I vowed never to be without a backup again. So I have my main machine, and my backup, my son has a machine, my daughter has a machine, and I have a backup for THEM to use in case one of their machines goes down. I also periodically help or teach other people to sew who are just learning, and it's easier for me to set up a spare machine than for them to haul theirs around in the car. Sewing machines and stock pots. Got a bunch of both of them. :-) LuAnn > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:45 +0100 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: suzi@suziclarke.co.uk > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines > > > > I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I > have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need > one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong > with the main machine. > > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? > > Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 06:18:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BAI3Kb006759 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:18:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BAHw9M002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BAHbrB061746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BAHYtt033477; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4BAHV7I033378 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22115 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 10:17:25 -0000 Received: from [82.112.138.74] by web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:17:25 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:17:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <549962.19688.qm@web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db235fdb-2e27-4e2a-97bb-4e24432709b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4826C7D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 06:18:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > From: LuAnn Mason > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machin= es > SNIPPED Snarling was heard over some people "hogging" the machine. = > Then I had one croak in the middle of a major project, and I vowed never = to be without a backup again. SNIPPED FOR BREVITY AND THOSE WHO GET THE LI= ST IN DIGEST FORM> = > Sewing machines and stock pots. Got a bunch of both of them. :-) COMMENT GenTLes of the List, When our little group of living history enthusiasts were starting the "Comp= any of The Duke's Leopards" in "old" Jersey in 2003, - one of the issues wa= s costumes for those who hadn't already gotten them from previous involveme= nts elsewhere. Only three of the original lady founding members had sewing amchines. Thoug= h other newbies wanting to join had probably learned to sew in "Household E= conomics" Classes in their schooldays, - in their modern married lives and = our "disposable" society they had never needed to buy sewing machines of th= eir own. Cheap sewing machines were needed to loan out. So I took to visiting the local Charity [Hospice} Shop warehouse, and buyin= g every discarded older sewing machine that came in for possible sale - con= centrating on "good reputation" Brand names, and those with metal gears. Th= e average price I paid before I stopped buying was =A35-00GB per machine. Then I took the machines to our local indepewndent Sewing machine Engineer = [ also a re-enactor of Napoleonic Wars & WW2, so he understood our problem = of DIY costuming and lack of funds] and he did me a good deal on overhaul p= rices. The end result, when I left the "Duke's Leopards", was that I had 11 second= hand but fully-overhauled sewing machines of varying ages and makes, - ran= ging from hand-operated Singers to "high-end" Berninas of the 1960's/70's -= up in the loft. = 2 of them [Singer "Fashionmates" with the same Model Number] I gave to our = grand-daughter when she joined the SCA in the South of England. As she live= s in a village in the middle of the open countryside of Salisbury Plain, mi= les from any sewing machine engineer, I gave her both Fashionmates so she'd= have a standby one, if one broke while she was in the middle of making som= e garb for herself. Since those of us who are SCAdians in "old Jersey" are hoping to recruit o= thers and found a Shire local to our island - I'm going to hang onto the re= maining 9 machines - since I foresee the DIY-costuming problem arising aga= in in that situation. I don't know how widespread "charity shops" are in the USA [here in "old Je= rsey we have OXFAM, MENCAP, and one for the "Jersey Hospice" and a couple o= f others that I've never visited; most Uk towns of any size have at least o= ne "charity shop"] - but if you want standby machines, try haunting your lo= cal charity shop [do you call them "Thrift Shops" in the USA?]; - or what y= ou call "yard sales" - [our UK equivalents are "car-boot sales"] - and try = to pick-up secondhand sewing-machines that way. = It's worked for me. In Service, Matthew Baker --- On Sun, 11/5/08, LuAnn Mason wrote: > = > LuAnn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 08:51:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BCp1IA014522 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:51:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BCouax027254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BCoW2V068215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BCoTrq020991; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4BCoQY4020903 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 21344 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 12:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.23.201) by smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.35) with ESMTP; 11 May 2008 12:50:20 -0000 Message-Id: From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:50:20 -0400 References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75a217c4-63c4-468a-a55e-c497cdd87b76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4826EBB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I, for one, collect them. I specialize in old treadles and handcranks. I make mine fully functional. I have found the old Singers, prior to the 600 series, can sew through almost anything without a problem. The newer plastic ones can have some real problems with multiple layers of denim and canvas and leather, for example. I do keep one modern machine (a Janome 4800) and a serger, but the rest of my machines are rescues. They are pretty, they sew a better straight stitch than the new ones, and it is difficult to harm one. Unlike the new ones that go out of time alot. I just picked up an industrial machine, sews perfectly, for free because the owner died and the son-in-law couldn't keep it. Sews like a dream, now I have one real industrial treadle (Singer 31-15) and one electric (Singer 95-40) plus a multitude of machines originally designed as home machines. I guess I just like preserving some history. And as an added bonus, I can sew a tent if I want to . One of the other machines, a 201, was my grandmother's machine. And it still works as well as the day she bought it (well, it got rewired once for safety). It was the one I learned on. I'm sure there are a few more on this list who also collect and appreciate the old ones - I sometimes recognize a name or two from the treadle-on list. Sure, some of the features and stitches are nice on the new ones, so I keep one just in case I need it, but I find the majority of my sewing is straight stitch, and any of my machines can do that. -Megan On May 11, 2008, at 4:06 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I > have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need > one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong > with the main machine. > > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? > > Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 08:54:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BCsPeP014704 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:54:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BCsKIl028596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BCs5Kc068522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 06:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BCs5oB023454; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BCs3oR023427 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2850183wfa.23 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.229.5 with SMTP id b5mr10813wfh.341.1210510442190; Sun, 11 May 2008 05:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.161.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 05:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:54:02 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <549962.19688.qm@web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <549962.19688.qm@web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01a0c147-2bbb-4e1c-b92f-34a2a1e0813d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4826EC7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 08:54:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have been collecting sewing machines so our dance group can make costumes. As many of the dancers are students our budget was limited, so I asked around for donations of old machines. These machines have been wonderful and are often easy to service without taking in to shops. I have about 8 sewing machines and two overlockers. My husqvana is in for repairs, again, and these back up machines are saving my skin! In the meantime I'm contemplating selling my industrial satin stitcher and straight stitcher and buying an embroidery machine, not for sewing, but to do embroidery on baroque frockcoats and waistcoats. We have been doing it all by hand, lovely, but slow. I've held off because all our computers are macs, but I've now got a laptop with windows xp on it, so might be able to use the software. Now I'm looking for a good machine in the lower price bracket that will suit. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org http://www.earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 09:03:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BD3qhf015319 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:03:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BD3lOi013801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:03:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BD3Z6H069366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 07:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BD3Z9g029598; Sun, 11 May 2008 07:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BD3WDb029515 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 07:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.180]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080511130213.FEEF15333.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:03:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 622a2efe-9131-4ee3-81ba-8d53147fe412 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4826EEB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 09:03:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I find myself collecting machines as well. I began with a Viking that would through fits it if hit a pin and would have to go to the shop to get repaired (grrr) thus leaving me without a machine entirely. I then got a 1950's or earlier Singer sewing machine, model 201-2, through Freecycle (yup--free) and it bends pins and keeps on going. My back up is a Singer Sew-Handy 20-10 (1950's, I think) that received some care from our local sewing machine repair shop and works as treat, as well as is hyper portable, as all it requires is a clamp to secure it to the table so it won't move as you turn the wheel. I just inherited a Singer Touch & Sew, model 600 E, from my husband's grandmother. As I lost the foot pedal in the process of transferring it to the car, I need to find another. Man, it feel so good to have working machines and back-ups. Not having a machine was a low point. Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines > Speaking just for myself, I taught my kids to sew. Snarling was heard > over some people "hogging" the machine. Then I had one croak in the > middle of a major project, and I vowed never to be without a backup again. > So I have my main machine, and my backup, my son has a machine, my > daughter has a machine, and I have a backup for THEM to use in case one of > their machines goes down. I also periodically help or teach other people > to sew who are just learning, and it's easier for me to set up a spare > machine than for them to haul theirs around in the car. > > Sewing machines and stock pots. Got a bunch of both of them. :-) > > LuAnn > > > >> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:45 +0100 >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> From: suzi@suziclarke.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery >> Machines >> >> >> >> I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I >> have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need >> one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong >> with the main machine. >> >> So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when >> buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do >> different things? >> >> Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 09:45:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BDjOZk017266 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:45:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BDjJJl005752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:45:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BDj0g6072613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 07:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BDixfu054755; Sun, 11 May 2008 07:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BDiumd054673 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 07:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0P00IJ9I6RIS12@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:44:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-11-6-167.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([76.11.6.167]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:43:54 -0300 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:44:51 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003b01c8b36d$2fc388d0$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKyVJkhMCwan/2dsb2JhbACpTA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,469,1204516800"; d="scan'208";a="196135430" References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8e75006-7dd1-439f-bce0-6eff6cf5fa03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4826F86F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 09:45:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have 18 sewing machines in my house; two on loan making a whopping 20. Four are treadles, two feather weights, and the earliest dates (that I can tell) from 1919 I may have earlier models but I cannot trace them. This also includes my one lone serger and my industrial machine. My main machine is my Singer Stylist c.1969 My favourite is my hand crank portable c.1920 that save my bacon back the year we had Hurricane Juan and we were without power for over a week and I had sewing to do; sad irons, a hand crank and oil lamp...somehow fitting in my c1870s house Sarah Paterson Great Village, NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- > > > I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I > have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need > one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong > with the main machine. > > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? > > Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 10:03:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BE39Me018393 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BE35b0023965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BE2aH0074006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 08:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BE2Zdk066796; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4BE2Vb9066685 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 08:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83361 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 14:02:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0us9WcEVM1lQD4wSW86uct9tVbS7Q4.QccokUEzPj8j3nv1ocDxSZNoUdIiMuSYLjTIIh9DYdxYY4YrS3QwalNsXh3F0sZQelbjJNg-- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 07:02:25 PDT Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 07:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <585424.57282.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 687f5e92-40ac-4386-bff6-e4198c002712 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4826FC99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I collect vintage machines and often will pick up "rescues" and refurbish, date for awhile then pass them on to someone who needs a machine. I guess I love the old metal jobbers and they are so dependable. The older machines make me think of another time when everyone sewed. They are also in most cases visually elegant. I don't know why, I love them and they provoke a sense of nostalgia in me although I was born in the mid sixties and not the mid thirties. I use my more modern machines for most of my sewing but when I need a strong straight stitch, I get out my 201. I also have a Bernina I will travel with, a smaller Featherweight I take quilt classes with and some others I just use once in a while when I have multiple projects occurring and need a quick "run-off" without bothering my set-up. I also found out that many of the thrift stores just trash the machines--send them to the scrap yard and sell the cabinets. I don't want a world where these machines are no longer around so I hedge my bets and provide safe, clean, dry sanctuary. Some time ago, I underwent a purge and relocated several machine heads through freecycle. Kathy (Singers 400, 500, 15-91, 201, Bernina 810, Bernette 006D serger, and Janome 9000, CS-100.) Previous foster parent of many Kenmores, a Pfaff, and Japanese 15-91 clones that have gone on to new homes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 11:06:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BF6nw4021979 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BF6iXN014482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BF6PfH079034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BF6N4S009792; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BF6JTp009682 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DAE12BD81 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 10:06:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4827196C.9070908@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:06:04 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58d309f8-a47f-43c8-9596-4b5f57f7f2f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48270B84.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? The first machine was one my boyfriend bought at a charity sale, a 1940's vintage machine in a beautiful cabinet, with all attachments. It sewed well, but it has a rubber wheel thingy that moves it instead of a belt, and it got hard to find the part after the local shop sold us the 3 pieces they had. About that time I inherited my grandmother's 1960's Kenmore and cabinet, and switched to that, but the old machine was so pretty I kept it. When I went on to grad school I decided I needed a newer machine that did buttonholes, so I bought a cheap Elna. I kept both machines out to use since I often worked on different projects concurrently, and didn't like to constantly re-thread the machine throughout the week. I kept the Kenmore out of sentimentality. I wanted a cabinet for the Elna, so I bought one at a yard sale, promptly took it apart and began to refinish it. That was 15 years ago, and it still isn't finished. It's in pieces in my garage. So I bought a 2nd cabinet, but this one came with a White in it. The White is in a box in the garage and I had the Elna in that cabinet for several years. Have never used the White except to test it, and it works beautifully. I keep it because it is the machine that the cabinet was built for, and if I ever get rid of them it will be as a set. (And because I can't find it it the garage). Then my husband decided that I needed a nicer machine, and took me to buy a top-of-the-line Viking after we got married. Now the Viking is in the cabinet and is my main machine, while I keep the Elna handy for traveling with, as it is more portable (and if it should get stolen out of my car I won't care as much). My grandmother's Kenmore is in my sewing room with notions piled high on the table, and I use the vintage machine in the nice mahogany cabinet as an entryway table. My husband inherited his mother's 60's era machine a few years ago, but we decided to sell it to a friend's mother who needed a backup machine. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 11:52:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BFqpnY024704 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BFqk86023075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BFqVn9081944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 09:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BFqSCM041350; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BFqPeW041264 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c99.25ba7e77 (65097) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10705 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 9 original models - Nostalgic Needle (Sharon Cohen) - on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad8f4967-dc0d-450c-9c53-9cc7b43a6519 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4827164E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, and happy Mother's day, 9 original models by Nostalgic Needle (Sharon Cohen) are up for auction on ebay. The 2 lowest starting prices are $19.00 and the highest starting price is for the Stumpwork Mirror Surround at $2,900.00. The piece is featured on the cover of the Winter 2007 Sampler & Antique Needlework Magazine. This intensive work of stumpwork was stitched in the manner of 17th Century English Stumpwork Mirror Surrounds and was accomplished by Sharon over a period of many years and features hundreds of thousands of stitches, every one worked with great care and love. The embroidery is framed in a lovely gold toned wooden frame and has a mirror in the center in the traditions of old. This special piece is a one of a kind embroidery by the artist and will feature documentation to the buyer's wishes to this effect. The finished project measures 14 1/2" x 15 1/2" framed. Sharon Cohen has dozens of embroideries in private and public collections and this is her "masterwork" of the art of raised embroidery and she will never produce another one like it. ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 13:15:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BHFjnq028985 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BHFapp005124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BHF4eq086734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 11:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BHF1Ud097270; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BHEwAJ097189 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 11:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QF0T1Z0040x6nqcA907h00; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:14:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QHEq1Z0044jAXBL8Y00000; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:14:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=or94XZ6559MA:10 a=0DXH8miPfOIA:10 a=PdVJ-MGcA9drKzgN7OMA:9 a=nOvmFyaU7DuhUFJHGswWNg5yg1oA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4827196C.9070908@reddawn.net> References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> <4827196C.9070908@reddawn.net> Message-Id: From: Margo Anderson Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:13:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ab58698-beda-4a87-b702-f97e7d7fe719 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482729B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a Singer 20U commercial machine, a basic 4-thread serger, and a White Jeans machine for when I need a portable or free arm. I also have a 20 year old Viking I 've been carting around with me for years because it's too good to get rid of and too expensive to fix, sigh...and an older serger which I'm giving to a friend. I'm hoping to investigate embroidery machines soon, but for now what I have does fine. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 14:25:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BIPB9x000355 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:25:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BIP6gH007985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BIOl2J090952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 12:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BIOjMP046240; Sun, 11 May 2008 12:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BIOfvl046142 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 12:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W10 ([65.55.138.45]) by bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 11 May 2008 11:24:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:24:36 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2008 18:24:36.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[448619F0:01C8B394] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Knitted Cleaves ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d581ed9-d297-4e37-aee5-dc3659664b41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48273A02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cool site btw for handmade items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 15:18:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BJI7Cn003177 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:18:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BJI2hk017880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:18:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BJHlc4093749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BJHkrq083614; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BJHhKX083517 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bc9.294b5324 (29673) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:17:34 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 191 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c79d2130-1683-470c-8d08-de3fd5c8263f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4827466A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 15:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't have many, and likewise on sewing professionally. I have one that I use all the time, one that's a back up in case that goes down, and two that are of sentimental value that are at the back of my big walk in cupboard (one was my Nana's, one was Nige's Nana's). Don't think I''ll trade my current one in when I need a new one though, as that belonged to a friend's grandmother.... Other than that, one machine plus one back up would be my rule. I don't even have a proper overlocker at the mo. Debbie In a message dated 11/05/2008 14:05:00 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong with the main machine. So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do different things? Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 17:37:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BLb825010317 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BLaxBl006831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BLabj4001691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 15:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BLaZuZ072260; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outL.internet-mail-service.net (outl.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BLaXRD072182 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:10:12 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 821462D600E; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:36:29 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20080511213629.GA45115@idiom.com> References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13c29aab-d3aa-4852-878f-f35963256f70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482766FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On 11 May 2008, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I am fascinated by the fact that some people have many machines. I > have only two plus a serger, and I sew professionally. I only need > one, as long as it works - the other is in case anything goes wrong > with the main machine. > > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? My wife and I share two machines and a serger. The theory is that the fancy embroidery machine is used for fancy embroidery and as a backup, while the simpler machine is used for most sewing to keep the mileage off the expensive one. Both are Husqvarnas, so they share feet, bobbins, etc. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 17:39:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BLdhKC010446 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:39:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BLdZDd007833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BLdKJg001791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 15:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BLdJr7073994; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outA.internet-mail-service.net (outa.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BLdG3b073960 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:12:59 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 3B5132D6013; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:39:16 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20080511213916.GB45115@idiom.com> References: <549962.19688.qm@web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23d267b8-ba51-492d-a9ca-06efb9cd739c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48276797.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On 11 May 2008, Aylwen Garden wrote: > I've held off > because all our computers are macs, but I've now got a laptop with > windows xp on it, so might be able to use the software. That's a problem I have, too. I have an ancient DOS machine that gets dragged out to run the embroidery software, but I really need to find a more modern solution before the ancient computer finally gives up the ghost. I'm looking at windows emulators for my Mac, and will probably get a USB card reader. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNIXwE014199 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNIPD7011494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BN1e8G005798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BN0LS5022359; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:00:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMx1CM021609 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web07-z02 ([10.127.132.158]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080511225856.MQPF14406.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web07-z02> for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 22:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9702516.865821210546736344.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:58:56 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc4ee6ea-7ac9-43cc-9c8e-96e58e2723b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48277EC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? I forgot to answer this part. The last couple of machines that I bought were from Target and they don't do trade-ins. The Viking was from an estate sale. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:18:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNIZUC014202 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNIPD9011494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BN0IqE005750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMwwHc021630; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMurkM020540 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from litlnemo@slumberland.seattle.wa.us) Received: from cupcake.slumberland.org (c66-235-57-247.sea2.cablespeed.com [66.235.57.247]) by randymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B60918DB4B for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <482779B0.3010902@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:56:48 -0700 From: Wendi Dunlap Organization: Slumberland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitted Cleaves ? 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W -- *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:18:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNIbxL014205 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNIPDB011494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BMvEKT005589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 16:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMtqhU020003; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMtg42019876 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web07-z02 ([10.127.132.158]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080511225536.MQJJ14406.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web07-z02> for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 22:55:36 +0000 Message-ID: <24312833.865521210546536619.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:55:36 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf9247ae-b7fc-4031-bb0b-6a5312d7e745 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48277EC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ---- Suzi Clarke wrote: > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? I have 2 that I use on a consistent basis - the old Viking (because it has embroidery stitches) and the EuroPro because I love its button hole foot. The foot, unlike the one for the Viking, has small grippers that keep the fabric from sliding around. The JC Penney machine was a backup, but now should probably go to a good home. That is, as soon as I can find all of its attachments. My daughters tidied up and I can't find anything now! The 2 antique machines I have are mostly because I love their appearance - and the treadle machine is the one that I used to make my wedding gown. The other is electrified, but it has a stunningly beautiful bentwood case. I also have a small EuroPro that is dual powered - either batteries or AC - so it goes with me to SCA events (like Pennsic or Gulf Wars) for those uh-oh repairs (fixing an entire seam for example) that need to be done quickly. It's nice and does a regular lock stitch instead of a chain stitch. It's packed in its own carrying case along with thread, extra batteries, pins, scissors, and needles. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:18:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNIduv014208 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNIPDD011494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BMwt3n005665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 16:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMvatq020899; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BMtuH7019995 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web07-z02 ([10.127.132.158]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080511225551.MQJW14406.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web07-z02> for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 22:55:51 +0000 Message-ID: <31910111.865561210546551327.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:55:51 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8335bc84-98bb-46f2-b43c-c19367df69ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48277EC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ---- Suzi Clarke wrote: > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? I have 2 that I use on a consistent basis - the old Viking (because it has embroidery stitches) and the EuroPro because I love its button hole foot. The foot, unlike the one for the Viking, has small grippers that keep the fabric from sliding around. The JC Penney machine was a backup, but now should probably go to a good home. That is, as soon as I can find all of its attachments. My daughters tidied up and I can't find anything now! The 2 antique machines I have are mostly because I love their appearance - and the treadle machine is the one that I used to make my wedding gown. The other is electrified, but it has a stunningly beautiful bentwood case. I also have a small EuroPro that is dual powered - either batteries or AC - so it goes with me to SCA events (like Pennsic or Gulf Wars) for those uh-oh repairs (fixing an entire seam for example) that need to be done quickly. It's nice and does a regular lock stitch instead of a chain stitch. It's packed in its own carrying case along with thread, extra batteries, pins, scissors, and needles. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:21:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNLVeH014315 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:21:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNLQOl006559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BNL97J006757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNJoDZ032568; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s6.cableone.net (s6.cableone.net [24.116.0.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNJkFJ032480 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s6.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s6) with ESMTP id 908496-1872270 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:19:39 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aciy9K6I1cypjIO3SZ+aCwMn32rLtQAx86dQ X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 8, First 17, in=5, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd46f58c-c74b-4cb0-844a-3ba4496e5498 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48277F76.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:21:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of jerking going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, whether it's dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or Metrosene. I also like to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much heat, and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. If you like to sew with cotton, look for Mettler silk finish. There is no silk in it, but it is very smooth and a little bit shiny. Works well for hand or machine sewing. I use it for quilting, too. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:38:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNcRKI015169 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNcMRj003061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BNatCW007384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNZZHL041345; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNZWm7041301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.102] (dial-209-148-100-102.sonic.net [209.148.100.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4BNZUgG031147 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:35:31 -0700 Message-ID: <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:35:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> In-Reply-To: <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6587331c-0676-400a-b396-d3618f6541b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4827836E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:38:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've never liked serging but: Is it useful for fabrics besides knits? I know it can be used on woven fabrics, but there are a variety of seams that can be used on those but less of a variety for knits. Thing is, I never sew knits. And I never wanted a serger before but now that I'm adding to the machine collection. . . I'm really regretting selling that early electric Singer with the bentwood case that I had years ago, it worked perfectly and had a great straight stitch. It's just that I was a college student, I also had another machine, and I didn't want a lot of stuff to haul around. Is it easy to get them into good condition? Mine was like new. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kim Baird wrote: > > You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of jerking > going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, whether it's > dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or Metrosene. I also like > to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. > However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much heat, > and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 19:55:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BNtDBQ016500 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:55:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4BNt8hd022359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4BNsjOK008263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNrPXu051504; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s8.cableone.net (s8.cableone.net [24.116.0.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4BNrL9M051416 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:53:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s8.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s8) with ESMTP id 2103821-1872270 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:53:16 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net><026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acizv+8ApfMgw5FLR6i2QEe1KE2XFAAAI9gQ X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 37, in=18, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 012efe01-52c0-4fd4-b68f-715ce75a61cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4827875C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fran-- I never wanted a serger, either. But once I learned to use one, I really liked it. I still don't use it for quilting, but it is very handy for garment sewing. It finishes off seam allowances quickly and beautifully. I use it when sewing Victorian clothing, too. I'm not about to finish all those seams by hand overcasting, when they're not visible while wearing the garment anyway. Two other handy uses: rolled hems, such as napkins, and gathering anything. Because they have so many possible settings, and differential feed, you can make them do many different things. If you get a serger, please take a class or two on what they can do. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread I've never liked serging but: Is it useful for fabrics besides knits? I know it can be used on woven fabrics, but there are a variety of seams that can be used on those but less of a variety for knits. Thing is, I never sew knits. And I never wanted a serger before but now that I'm adding to the machine collection. . . I'm really regretting selling that early electric Singer with the bentwood case that I had years ago, it worked perfectly and had a great straight stitch. It's just that I was a college student, I also had another machine, and I didn't want a lot of stuff to haul around. Is it easy to get them into good condition? Mine was like new. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kim Baird wrote: > > You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of > jerking going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, > whether it's dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or > Metrosene. I also like to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. > However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much > heat, and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:05:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C050RX017206 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:05:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C04taS010746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C04dr8008943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C03EoY057813; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C03B77057712 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QLKz1Z00r0SCNGk540D500; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:00:38 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QQ331Z0080CKaGd3V00000; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:03:03 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=or94XZ6559MA:10 a=0DXH8miPfOIA:10 a=ueas4J-CBVzSCz1etj0A:9 a=weJiWcdXFFUfI_PVPeBwIubHSxMA:4 a=QcA7-qHrZH4A:10 Message-ID: <00a001c8b3c3$8d95d2a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51dbcc82-3c5b-4a25-9007-bcc4d380d5ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482789A7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 20:04:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I, for one, collect them. I specialize in old treadles and handcranks. I make mine fully functional. I have found the old Singers, prior to the 600 series, can sew through almost anything without a problem. >> Amen! My little Singer 99K is a gorgeous machine. The two Brother machines (one sewing, one embroidery only) are functional, and look it. They create beautiful things, but they aren't beautiful things in and of themselves. Of course, I still want a treadle machine, and a handcrank, and a Featherweight, and ooh of course that shiny Duetta with the HUGE embroidery field. :-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:09:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C09IM3017399 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:09:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C09DpS017801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C090lv009331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C07elT060517; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C07cFl060492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.102] (dial-209-148-100-102.sonic.net [209.148.100.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4C07aXI003393 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:07:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net><026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> In-Reply-To: <026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e18b50e-fcb0-4203-9c3e-0a2be7606dc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48278AA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 20:09:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What model would you recommend? Thanks, Fran Kim Baird wrote: > Fran-- > I never wanted a serger, either. But once I learned to use one, I really > liked it. I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:22:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C0MsGV017872 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:22:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C0MmHj019059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:22:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C0MU7g010102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0LB8B068355; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0L8RX068334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:21:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.102] (dial-209-148-100-102.sonic.net [209.148.100.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4C0Knrv007653 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: <48278D5A.8040106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:20:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net><026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cd2b15b-3303-44cc-bd5e-ba8992c5ea0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48278DD8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:24:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C0OIN4017937 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:24:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C0ODNY000302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:24:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C0O1g5010187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0Mf2G069144; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0MV9T069030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.102] (dial-209-148-100-102.sonic.net [209.148.100.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4C0MEaK008112 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: <48278DB1.90508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:22:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net><026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53aff839-3708-4b58-b01d-bf620dbd674c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48278E2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:29:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C0TcWY018144 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:29:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C0TXc5021406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C0TISQ010479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0Rw6w071932; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0RuKv071884 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QQJS1Z00m16LCl05300g00; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:27:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QQTr1Z00300zNUK3S00000; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:27:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=raNeoqm9AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=n7LeTZQlyZdD_KUGbSoA:9 a=R5N9IMFJWNU-xSWfJEAA:7 a=siFGoOWUtGl072Kswzxdw5ruPzQA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:48 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 009bb085-cd17-4865-93bf-d85f4790eaa2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48278F6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 20:29:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think it is necessary for woven fabrics, not so for knits, since they don't fray. Of course, if you're doing historically accurate costumes, you probably don't want to serge them, but since I'm not into that, I always serge, and can't stand costumes or clothing that aren't serged anymore Sylvia On May 11, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > I've never liked serging but: Is it useful for fabrics besides knits? > I > know it can be used on woven fabrics, but there are a variety of seams > that can be used on those but less of a variety for knits. Thing is, I > never sew knits. And I never wanted a serger before but now that I'm > adding to the machine collection. . . > > I'm really regretting selling that early electric Singer with the > bentwood case that I had years ago, it worked perfectly and had a great > straight stitch. It's just that I was a college student, I also had > another machine, and I didn't want a lot of stuff to haul around. Is it > easy to get them into good condition? Mine was like new. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Kim Baird wrote: >> >> You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of >> jerking >> going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, whether >> it's >> dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or Metrosene. I >> also like >> to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. >> However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much >> heat, >> and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 20:45:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C0jCI8018686 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C0j50p005248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C0ilx7011448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0ikbW080853; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C0ih1s080796 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.113] (core-dc-3-113.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.113]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C0iahP019664 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: <482792F6.2020908@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:44:38 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4a25ba4-3ecf-4af9-80e2-ba0883fef940 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48279311.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I think it is necessary for woven fabrics, not so for knits, since they > don't fray. Of course, if you're doing historically accurate costumes, > you probably don't want to serge them, but since I'm not into that, I > always serge, and can't stand costumes or clothing that aren't serged > anymore I'm still trying to find out when, historically, commercial cotton dresses in Sweden (heck, Scandinavia!) began to be overlocked? At some point it is historically accurate, but I can't find when. Anyone have any ideas? -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 21:32:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C1WSlC020723 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 21:32:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C1WLdC019487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 21:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C1VvCe014683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 19:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C1Vt2H007585; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4C1VrUx007518 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from susang45@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABECRHR8ANPU64A for (sender ); Sun, 11 May 2008 18:31:42 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: cb/ea7bePhVMh7FNTl3OU5HFeNrbUQCt2rDMBDQ10eLcsezyxQQ3yQ== Received: (from susang45@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NJX24UY2; Sun, 11 May 2008 18:31:15 PDT Received: from [69.218.231.206] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:30:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.218.231.206] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "susang45@juno.com" Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:30:06 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080511.213006.16566.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Disposition: inline X-ContentStamp: 5:2:840420438 X-MAIL-INFO: 5a9554f595c1355454c1543970900d25b1797561750040f524710081dd2520ed8d258d359545b445c4558439307091ede19535a4315085b599a1a1c45901ade0d90159e91559e9d9a1fd4165f034656505496d65410cc4857d416451744d60e4e0d910d9bd35d929bd2509b5c179702479a1247024dda474302d0c45614569ed8d39ed401111313944b409c1e17dedb579fdf93970101051055170b5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|susang45@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitted Cleaves ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 085b57d6-2ac8-4f61-8c91-1fee4caafe44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48279E25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 21:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_REGISTERFLY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm new here and have been lurking, but I actually know the answer to this one. The designer Katherine Summer O'Neal said "I decided to call this design cleaves because it's a combination of a cowl and sleeves, and it covers my cleavage!" from http://www.knitty.com/issuespring05/PATTcleaves.html Susan From: Saragrace Knauf Subject: [h-cost] Knitted Cleaves ? To: "h-costume@indra.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.etsy.com/alchemy/request.php?id=9092 Anyone know what the origin of the name of this thing is? Cool site btw for handmade items. If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? A. Einstein _____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifSLoSZlYIMx2HCd89PdwLDwqgm135Ezj8WiuT8XlqmK5616/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 11 23:23:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C3NfGN027477 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:23:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C3NZpR031468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C3IGcC020522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 21:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C3IErj069797; Sun, 11 May 2008 21:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C3IB9X069704 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 21:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 240060-1872270 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:18:05 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net><026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com><026e01c8b3c1$e32b60b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <026f01c8b3de$c404a710$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48278A4A.1060602@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcizxGgCxGPckeO0RmmGuAZJwjgvAwAF8UOg X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 3, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 891c1e6d-4e95-402c-a502-b3d2cb3b67b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4827B838.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 May 2008 23:23:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Take a look at Baby Lock or Bernette sergers. Sewing machine dealers sell sergers, but they are not made by sewing machine manufacturers. They are all made in Asia, to the specifications of the company that puts its name on them. Over the years, they have added many features to the original, home overlock machine. Some of them are useful, some are only additional expense. I would recommend a 3/4 thread model with differential feed. You do NOT need to pay extra for a serger that sets its own tensions for the different stitches. A little practice and setting tensions is simple to do. In fact, you are expected to adjust the tension any time you serge on a different fabric, or with a different thread. Since you don't sew with knits, you won't need a cover stitch. This is the stitch used to hem T-shirts, etc. Some sergers can convert from overlock to cover stitch and back again, but you won't use this feature. Models made within the last 10 years should be fairly easy to thread. You don't need to buy something with an automatic threading system, unless you want to spend the extra money. I do save time by tying the new thread on to the old one, and pulling it through with the tension turned to zero. You can get a blind hem foot for your serger, if you want to finish the raw edge and hem at the same time, and at high speed. I usually find it easier not to do this, but if I had a lot of curtains or something large to do, it would come in handy. Do try the machine before you buy. If it sounds clackety or feels shaky when it sews, it's probably too cheaply made and you shouldn't buy it. You can probably find a decent, used 3/4 thread serger with differential feed under $300. If you buy from a dealer, don't hesitate to dicker on price. If they won't come down, maybe they'll throw in a free accessory. Good luck. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread What model would you recommend? Thanks, Fran Kim Baird wrote: > Fran-- > I never wanted a serger, either. But once I learned to use one, I > really liked it. I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 00:22:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4C4MPGo030581 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:22:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4C4MK7Q022659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:22:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4C4LcVY023770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C4Lavf008297; Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4C4LXn2008269 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JvPXX2H7L-00029h; Mon, 12 May 2008 00:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c8b3e7$716d60b0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:19:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/8QcQJe/mEKgJYpgaoc/B4PX5gUpt2xbfl+tS GhghmQVinUa6DD7mMagLZgTParwYhp9s1ju8TxH8rEJKVAuTkU i1CmoNJltpBFMW/T38Hew== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f6ce1bb-cd92-4842-886f-44cc17320628 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4827C5FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 00:22:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I only have four and they are collecting dust. Does collecting dust count? One modern machine is for sewing when I get time. A treadle that I bought to relearn how to use. I opted to use a treadle in home ec. instead of the modern machines. My old Kenmore was retired in 2006. I won't get rid of it for sentimental reasons. I have one electric machine from the 1920s that I have never used. It doesn't have an electric plug. It is more for decoration in my office. I thought of you all yesterday while going to yard sales. There were a lot of old Kenmores in cabinets. I thought about buying one, but knew I had no place to put them. I really don't want to start collecting. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 06:56:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CAu8aG009239 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:56:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CAu2NQ013505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:56:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CAtZfA041363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 04:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CAtVUh042560; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CAtU9o042482 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so533144ana.65 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 03:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr7918271and.85.1210589724760; Mon, 12 May 2008 03:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 03:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070805120355i173907ej2b3bb61421dcdb43@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:55:24 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <026d01c8b3bd$30a09400$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <482782C4.7040005@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0c2d181-3805-4ee3-9c40-15f6a1fb303a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48282243.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 06:56:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can use the serger a bit and be historically accurate for early 20th century dresses. I have a lingerie dress, lightweight cotton with lace insertion, from approx 1905, with some overlocked/serged seams. I had a very early Viking home serger, bought about 25 years ago, that was always such a pain to thread and the tension would get screwed up easily. I haven't had a working serger for about 10 years now and I miss it. Does anyone have a recent Viking serger, any recommendations? Katy On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I think it is necessary for woven fabrics, not so for knits, since they > don't fray. Of course, if you're doing historically accurate costumes, > you probably don't want to serge them, but since I'm not into that, I > always serge, and can't stand costumes or clothing that aren't serged > anymore > > Sylvia > > On May 11, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> I've never liked serging but: Is it useful for fabrics besides knits? >> I >> know it can be used on woven fabrics, but there are a variety of seams >> that can be used on those but less of a variety for knits. Thing is, I >> never sew knits. And I never wanted a serger before but now that I'm >> adding to the machine collection. . . >> >> I'm really regretting selling that early electric Singer with the >> bentwood case that I had years ago, it worked perfectly and had a great >> straight stitch. It's just that I was a college student, I also had >> another machine, and I didn't want a lot of stuff to haul around. Is it >> easy to get them into good condition? Mine was like new. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> Kim Baird wrote: >>> >>> You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of >>> jerking >>> going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, whether >>> it's >>> dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or Metrosene. I >>> also like >>> to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. >>> However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much >>> heat, >>> and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 08:01:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CC1R2s018862 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:01:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CC1M8s008257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:01:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CC0wR8044871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 06:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CC0vbG085446; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4CC0sJS085362 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24774 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2008 12:00:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YIIZC.IVM1kzGxreYh8A3bi64RiLgHiF0PDjyjje7ETjns8OyMfW3LWsfRksVrzsRF3B3MbBTcPWBDylIC5fMn4s_gQRJa4.sXDEiazbK3ICSUOw3U_KWw_.naw- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:00:48 PDT Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 05:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a107d12-b977-4d5b-956f-b3b51e580f17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48283192.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 08:01:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'm sorry if this has been discussed before - I've glanced through the archives and didn't find much - please point me to an earlier discussion if so. But my question is, is there any evidence and info on how did the medieval women deal with menstruation? Did they use special clothes (could they use something like pants???)? I've also heard that menstruation in the earlier times was much different from today and the menstruation could not have been such a big deal after all (not to talk about the fact that women were very often pregnant) I'm also interested in later periods - up to the 18th century - I think the way of dealing with it would have been similar to how it was done in the middle ages...but I really don't know much about this topic, that's why I rather post here and ask:-) Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 09:16:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CDGPSU021623 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:16:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CDGJbW006391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CDFvnX049239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 07:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CDFtbh038401; Mon, 12 May 2008 07:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CDFpqR038287 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 07:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:15:07 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m4CDF7L77327 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:15:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 12 May 2008 08:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:10:04 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <4827FB53.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 997fa5a2-2bb5-4f2c-a090-96c9636a872e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48284323.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 09:16:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 18?? No wonder you need that big house :). I learned to sew on my grt-grandmother's treadle machine and my mothers dependable singer and have four of my own right now. Currently my main machine is a Bernina (basic model, not to many bells and whistles but I love it). The backup is my 30 yr old White. I also have a veteran Kenmore that a friend used for sewing canvas and left me when she moved. I use it for the heavy duty sewing I don't want to push the Bernina on (which isn't much). There is also an old singer in a cabinet that used to be the back-up machine but is now looking for a good home. I have never felt the need for a serger, not sure why, just never appealed to me. Ditto with an embroidery machine altho I can see where they could be very handy for some things if I was still sewing more commercially. Another question might be how many motors have we gone through on our machines :)? The White, which was my main machine during my heaviest sewing time, is on it's second and could probably do with a third. Catherine ******************************* I have 18 sewing machines in my house; two on loan making a whopping 20. Four are treadles, two feather weights, and the earliest dates (that I can tell) from 1919 I may have earlier models but I cannot trace them. This also includes my one lone serger and my industrial machine. My main machine is my Singer Stylist c.1969 My favourite is my hand crank portable c.1920 that save my bacon back the year we had Hurricane Juan and we were without power for over a week and I had sewing to do; sad irons, a hand crank and oil lamp...somehow fitting in my c1870s house Sarah Paterson Great Village, NS Canada _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 09:18:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CDICT9021680 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CDI7Nf025272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CCfKja046948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 06:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CCfJ5K012853; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CCfIYw012833 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2449755rvb.11 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.75.6 with SMTP id c6mr3646020rvl.286.1210596078233; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90805120541l3a77c21u4a178ed2dbf50b1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:41:18 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <00a001c8b3c3$8d95d2a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> <00a001c8b3c3$8d95d2a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf0984fa-6f2f-4f32-8a81-a45a3cb2f522 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4828438F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I only have a simple Janome sewing machine and a basic Janome over locker (Serger), they do me well. I imagine as my skills increase I will look to better machines, but it would be logical to keep the existing ones as back ups. Sidney On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dianne wrote: > I, for one, collect them. I specialize in old treadles and > handcranks. I make mine fully functional. I have found the old > Singers, prior to the 600 series, can sew through almost anything > without a problem. >> > > Amen! My little Singer 99K is a gorgeous machine. The two Brother machines > (one sewing, one embroidery only) are functional, and look it. They create > beautiful things, but they aren't beautiful things in and of themselves. > > Of course, I still want a treadle machine, and a handcrank, and a > Featherweight, and ooh of course that shiny Duetta with the HUGE embroidery > field. :-) > > Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 09:18:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CDIIu7021683 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CDI7Nh025272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CCeKiu046853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 06:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CCeJMt012184; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CCeGFF012094 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 06:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.145.230] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JvXK7-0001AX-C0 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:40:11 -0400 Message-ID: <48283AB2.30108@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:40:18 -0400 From: Frau Anna Bleucher User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 9eb1bae7e4e7fc8d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794866dc56adbcc779f7da6a8f5963e3b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.145.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e72e06f3-7bf1-41c0-aa52-d326c5ecf159 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4828438F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 09:18:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Off the top of my head, I've read about the use of rags, sea sponges, and corks. I've also read references of women letting it run down their legs, but that would be both disgusting and dangerous. My personal theory is that women with poor nutrition or those of especially athletic bodies would have little to no menstrual cycle. I base this on studies done on modern day women with extremely low body fat and their reduced or non-existent cycles. I don't have much time now, but will find my references and point you to them as soon as I can. Connie Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sorry if this has been discussed before - I've glanced through the archives and didn't find much - please point me to an earlier discussion if so. > > But my question is, is there any evidence and info on how did the medieval women deal with menstruation? Did they use special clothes (could they use something like pants???)? > > I've also heard that menstruation in the earlier times was much different from today and the menstruation could not have been such a big deal after all (not to talk about the fact that women were very often pregnant) > > I'm also interested in later periods - up to the 18th century - I think the way of dealing with it would have been similar to how it was done in the middle ages...but I really don't know much about this topic, that's why I rather post here and ask:-) > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 09:22:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CDMvbR021831 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CDMrh5010453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CDMYPs049781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 07:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CDMYY6043534; Mon, 12 May 2008 07:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CDMV3H043489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 07:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34908249EC for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48284496.9070307@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:30 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48283AB2.30108@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48283AB2.30108@earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad32ba42-d06b-4a89-acf2-f7b02bcce43a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482844AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7 or more years ago! For those who are curious about more recent menstruation habits, there's the online Museum of Menstruation: http://www.mum.org/ -- cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 11:22:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CFMvuN027488 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CFMqPi019006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CFMLK6060819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CFMGlW058354; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CFMEad058322 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so1205951mue.1 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr14513473fga.8.1210605733813; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.52.13 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0805120822q7afdb6e1i88b5abe65d58078c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:13 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57598196-a49d-44fa-b227-315c541344ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482860CC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > My new > computerised Viking sews fine with brands like Metrosene and Mettler, > but shreds silk thread. When I had that problem with my Viking I found out it was the needle, not the machine, that was shredding the thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 12:29:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CGThN9030615 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:29:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CGTbis010422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CGStg3067408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 10:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CGSrXY030575; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4CGSn45030405 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95708 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2008 16:28:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kLVLbRIVM1nTxmvzCLSVdsHIdKC7ryk8A8iLvcVULLIyI3q_OrI0kNKIxCHzJ22WnPkjNiKWxEg- Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:28:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <967922.95334.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16ea8b87-9748-46d9-ab1b-f2d914f90f11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48287071.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:29:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There was a great discussion on this topic in January of 2006. While medieval medical literature doesn't necessarily reflect true life one gets the impression that medieval people were fanatically interested in periods. Not having one meant that your humors were out of balance and there are lots of herbal remedies to bring on the menses. (Now, some of these amount to early chemical abortions but that's another topic entirely.) It's possibly a medieval woman did not greet her period with the desire to hide it that modern marketing has instilled in many of us. It was part of life and meant that you were healthy. However, I suspect flauting it wasn't good either and I have a completly unsubstantiated theory the part of the humilation of being publicly stripped to one's shift showed off some old blood stains. Another aspect I intend to investigate someday is how much flow a woman who is not surrounded by so many artificial hormores has. There are so many phyoestrogeons in the environment that I'm not sure we can take modern experience as typical. Cheers, Mary Haselbauer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 12:35:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CGZXuG030879 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:35:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CGZPja021737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:35:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CGZ1HO067988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 10:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CGZ17M037090; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CGYv6H036903 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QgVq1Z00C0EZKEL5900b00; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:34:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qgaq1Z00D00zNUK3M00000; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:34:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HR_6goWnLYsA:10 a=BIBzrcvhZw0A:10 a=OEzmQag8AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=dcNWo618zQWFnFoJ384A:9 a=JMcIVXq02qHccMKHsE3AWIo84QgA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <48284496.9070307@thibault.org> References: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48283AB2.30108@earthlink.net> <48284496.9070307@thibault.org> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:34:49 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16815003-c2a4-434d-a8af-5856b3070400 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482871CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The museum appears to have been closed. On May 12, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7 or more years ago! > > For those who are curious about more recent menstruation habits, > there's > the online Museum of Menstruation: http://www.mum.org/ > > -- cv > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 13:06:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CH6sCk032076 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:06:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CH6lMJ026592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:06:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CH6HrM070762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CH6EFv071209; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CH6BhI071130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JvbTM-0002Ot-Ui for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:06:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:06:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> <674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56430ac3-0fac-4a5a-9807-04b168213648 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48287927.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 13:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have five, in total. I have two Viking basic machines, a Daisy and a 310 or 315. That one is over at the Consort's house for the sewing of his armor. I also have a Kenmore quilter's machine that was a gift from my mother*, her old avocado green metal Kenmore, with table, and an ancient electric with the brand name Stradivaro that scares me--it's very fast, and I don't think it understands "can't sew through X". And I'm trying to acquire a treadle machine and cabinet from a friend. Not sure where I'm going to put that one, though, the sewing room is kind of full at the moment. Jen/pixel/Margaret *I'd said to my sister that I needed a sewing machine to sew tents, because my first Kenmore (has since been sold to a friend) really wasn't up to it. Then I bought the first Viking. At Xmas, Mom hands me a very large box and says "You can open that and then I have to kill you." And she was very very confused when she offered to return the quilter's machine and I wrapped myself around it. "How many sewing machines do you *have*, now?" "Only three..." "But you won't use them all..." "Yes I will." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 13:42:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CHggcd001156 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:42:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CHgXw1005105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CHg5Lm074234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 11:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CHg3SM012036; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CHfwFC011945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jvc28-00056L-UR for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:41:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:34:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d542829-a480-4d7a-b181-f9678d902872 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4828818A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 14:28:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CISCtb002772 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:28:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CIS7Pf006261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:28:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CIRdeo078201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIRcwf059417; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIRZ2M059309 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4CIRFD0005668 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:27:29 GMT Message-ID: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:27:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f6d5680-bf08-4997-bfc1-83f62b1ba791 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48288C37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 14:28:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! I haven't heard lately, but Amazon Drygoods used to have a great reputation for period shoes. http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ The Shoe Catalog Amazon Drygoods has been supplying the footwear need of the entertainment industry - films, stage, TV, Opera and ballet - for years. This catalog has 162 styles of historic reproduction shoes from all periods, in all sizes and colors for men, women and children. THE SHOE CATALOG: $5.00 To receive our catalogs send the correct amount (US funds only) for each catalog to: AMAZON DRYGOODS 411 Brady Street Davenport, IA 52801-1518 USA Phone: 1-800-798-7979 info@amazondrygoods.com Happy sewing, Deb The Mantua-Maker www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 14:31:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CIVbPW002904 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:31:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CIV96C010530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:31:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CIUew0078461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIUe4o062639; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIUcRv062607 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1785115pyc.4 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.160.1 with SMTP id i1mr8033840wae.49.1210617038092; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:30:37 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a10f05b-b8d1-4899-8dca-3b03c50df25f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48288CED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 14:31:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The last time I tried to get a catalog from Amazon Dry Goods, they sent me a 3 year old catalog and wouldn't give me my money back when i called to say that I already had that catalog. Maybe they've finally updated their catalog and improved their customer service. YMMV, LynnD On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker < deb@mantua-maker.com> wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? > Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! > > I haven't heard lately, but Amazon Drygoods used to have a great > reputation for period shoes. http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ > The Shoe Catalog > Amazon Drygoods has been supplying the footwear need of the entertainment > industry - films, stage, TV, Opera and ballet - for years. This catalog has > 162 styles of historic reproduction shoes from all periods, in all sizes and > colors for men, women and children. > THE SHOE CATALOG: $5.00 > > To receive our catalogs send the correct amount (US funds only) for each > catalog to: > > AMAZON DRYGOODS > 411 Brady Street > Davenport, IA 52801-1518 USA > Phone: 1-800-798-7979 > info@amazondrygoods.com > > Happy sewing, > Deb > > The Mantua-Maker > www.mantua-maker.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 14:34:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CIYDQa002980 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:34:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CIY82l014983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CISoLp078299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CISnjf060616; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CISlhL060570 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so3162289wah.3 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.75.6 with SMTP id x6mr8010814waa.187.1210616926765; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0805121128k6ed0add0u73e7bf976b9949b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:46 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8bed8691-3f2e-4b01-9725-c6bf59987e38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48288DA0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO JoAnn Peterson, owner of Laughing Moon Mercantile Patterns, has a new store in Old Sacramento, Calif. JoAnn caters to Gold Rush/Civil War reenactors. She has lots of great shoes/boots in her store, one or two of which are 1830s-40s appropriate. I don't know where she gets her shoes, but check out her website. http://www.saccitydrygoods.com/category-s/31.htm LynnD On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Serena Dyer wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? > Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 14:45:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CIjL3Q003344 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:45:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CIj9in012085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CIiqEI079684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 12:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIiotC077803; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CIikwS077656 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.180]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080512184713.PYLS26458.mta9.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:44:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6691c9ba-0fdf-4d99-862a-1327119b1fab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48289035.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 14:45:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know whether this site will help or not, but yum: http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/index.html. If anyone could make you period shoes and boots, I bet this woman could... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes > The last time I tried to get a catalog from Amazon Dry Goods, they sent me > a > 3 year old catalog and wouldn't give me my money back when i called to say > that I already had that catalog. Maybe they've finally updated their > catalog > and improved their customer service. > > YMMV, > LynnD > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker < > deb@mantua-maker.com> wrote: > >> > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? >> Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! >> >> I haven't heard lately, but Amazon Drygoods used to have a great >> reputation for period shoes. http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ >> The Shoe Catalog >> Amazon Drygoods has been supplying the footwear need of the entertainment >> industry - films, stage, TV, Opera and ballet - for years. This catalog >> has >> 162 styles of historic reproduction shoes from all periods, in all sizes >> and >> colors for men, women and children. >> THE SHOE CATALOG: $5.00 >> >> To receive our catalogs send the correct amount (US funds only) for each >> catalog to: >> >> AMAZON DRYGOODS >> 411 Brady Street >> Davenport, IA 52801-1518 USA >> Phone: 1-800-798-7979 >> info@amazondrygoods.com >> >> Happy sewing, >> Deb >> >> The Mantua-Maker >> www.mantua-maker.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 15:26:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CJQw7H005071 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:26:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CJQrQG006943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CJQTmO084467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CJQS20021442; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63703.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63703.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.88]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4CJQOAo021295 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9484 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2008 19:26:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hEpVeGsVM1lPu5ppPIfRn1tHPdkF4s_jWA6efDJQWhMELnAqQ8CyibVFIOtlRTOF82lUzcAXMCMBLXqOGdw4fRSbEFbR5StxV25ELYECUESMetSCQoTixKXdQ8A- Received: from [66.57.238.98] by web63703.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:26:18 PDT Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <263508.8912.qm@web63703.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9ed350f-dfdf-44c0-947b-e2444dac9a11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482899FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I ordered shoes from her tht I have literally worn out...they were not !8hundreds shoes but she can do anything...and they hold up like noboies business and are of course repairable if they wear out...its just that 15 years welll..when you wear them at least 200 days a year....is gonna wear ANYTHING out completely..I highly recomend her nomatter what the price is now...she is a genius.! Bambi Gilbert wrote: I don't know whether this site will help or not, but yum: http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/index.html. If anyone could make you period shoes and boots, I bet this woman could... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes > The last time I tried to get a catalog from Amazon Dry Goods, they sent me > a > 3 year old catalog and wouldn't give me my money back when i called to say > that I already had that catalog. Maybe they've finally updated their > catalog > and improved their customer service. > > YMMV, > LynnD > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker < > deb@mantua-maker.com> wrote: > >> > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? >> Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! >> >> I haven't heard lately, but Amazon Drygoods used to have a great >> reputation for period shoes. http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ >> The Shoe Catalog >> Amazon Drygoods has been supplying the footwear need of the entertainment >> industry - films, stage, TV, Opera and ballet - for years. This catalog >> has >> 162 styles of historic reproduction shoes from all periods, in all sizes >> and >> colors for men, women and children. >> THE SHOE CATALOG: $5.00 >> >> To receive our catalogs send the correct amount (US funds only) for each >> catalog to: >> >> AMAZON DRYGOODS >> 411 Brady Street >> Davenport, IA 52801-1518 USA >> Phone: 1-800-798-7979 >> info@amazondrygoods.com >> >> Happy sewing, >> Deb >> >> The Mantua-Maker >> www.mantua-maker.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 15:50:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CJohMv006339 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CJoZ6Y004631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CJo0ph086462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 13:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CJnwWa047146; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CJntYE047078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.251] (dial-209-148-98-251.sonic.net [209.148.98.251] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4CJnrj2014126 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: <48289F62.30707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:49:54 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d04e846d-2fbc-41d6-97e0-0a2e8fbbe1ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48289F8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Amazon buys all their shoes from Annello & Davide in London and I at least have bought direct from Annello & Davide. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lynn Downward wrote: > The last time I tried to get a catalog from Amazon Dry Goods, they sent me a > 3 year old catalog and wouldn't give me my money back when i called to say > that I already had that catalog. Maybe they've finally updated their catalog > and improved their customer service. > > YMMV, > LynnD > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 16:48:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CKmg7t009016 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CKmaUh003542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:48:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CKmFwB091860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 14:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CKmEsC009044; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4CKmBJi008886 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 14:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 30286 invoked from network); 12 May 2008 20:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.232.122?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.45.232.122 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2008 20:48:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XhIeVhYVM1kdRSTaSpjtVl1unqs8SbFAON0QdkrYLyLPhEi4Q4cDDLwRs0U3pO9fsdHIR5Q5n82kTmq1Z5kqvHWkL2W3TgwY823DJXvs3ROeh56jNxCE.l.duDDMR5M_JGJvFqP65zJtD5ibaHM_V7sV X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c8b45d$cfef64f0$db3dd846@MantuaMaker> <8296995c0805121130m3198937fg2fddeb337b1f8f20@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <09AD14F5-1EC0-47C1-A9AD-F1E95513086C@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:49:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ce20241-0720-46be-a812-dce1a0b441dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4828AD24.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I also have a pair of shoes by Sarah Juniper (1570s), and I can't say enough good things about them. She will make them as accurate as you wish, and you have never worn anything so comfortable. Two caveats: as far as I know, she does not have email, and she does not take credit cards. For those of us across the pond, it makes doing business less convenient, but it is SO worth it. Melanie Schuessler On May 12, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Gilbert wrote: > I don't know whether this site will help or not, but yum: > http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/index.html. If anyone could make you > period > shoes and boots, I bet this woman could... > > Marjorie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 18:03:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CM3pU1012637 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CM3iGU018243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CM3EgW098256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CM3ChV083382; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CM38U5083317 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2382C83EA for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <300785.39484.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <300785.39484.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805121803.22823.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles V.4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9d5de0c-386e-43c6-b523-3b33a63f6c16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4828BEC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 06 May 2008 8:52:26 pm Ann Catelli wrote: > My copy of the title journal arrived in my hands today, on the east coast > of the US. It was ordered directly from Boydell & Brewster. > > Ann in CT > only two papers read so far > more treats to come :) I ordered my copy from Boydell & Brewer also. It arrived Friday, but I've only read one of the papers so far. Great stuff! -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 18:27:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4CMR0Qe013688 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:27:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4CMQt18019056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4CMQc5a000175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CMQcAU005295; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CMQYea005248 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562692C83EA for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:26:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805121826.49269.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Cambridge History of Western Textiles - special offer from DBBC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff5c09c5-b528-4554-b0a4-10bec6552340 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4828C42F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 18:26:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Some of us have said before what an evil tempter Ian Stevens of David Brown Book Company (Oxbow Books' American affiliate) can be. This time he's outdone himself. Heaven knows *I'm* tempted. Look! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Cambridge History of Western Textiles - special offer from DBBC Date: Monday 12 May 2008 From: Ian Stevens To: cathy@thyrsus.com Dear Catherine Raymond, We have managed to secure some copies of "The Cambridge History of Western Textiles" to sell at the amazing price of $99.98. This two-volume set usually sells for $460.00. Order before the end of May to get that price. After that, the price is very likely to increase. Simply follow the link below to place your order securely online. Copies will be with us in the next week or so and we will bill and ship your orders as soon as we can thereafter. With regards, Ian Stevens The David Brown Book Company Tel_ 1-800-791-9354 --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To change your user profile follow this link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/elist.cfm/Location/DBBC/EmailAddress/cathy%40thyrsus%2Ecom To unsubscribe from this list follow this link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/un_sub.cfm/Location/DBBC/MailingListID/24882/EmailAddress/cathy%40thyrsus%2Ecom ------------------------------------------------------- -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 20:32:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4D0Wr2Y019332 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:32:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4D0WmXa029356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:32:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4D0WOUV009617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 18:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D0WM3u001082; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D0WKRm001055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84871249EB for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4828E193.8010709@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:32:19 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48283AB2.30108@earthlink.net> <48284496.9070307@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0cf20ca-489f-47ad-bcd1-8326e65520e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4828E1B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:32:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think you may have happened upon a server error or somesuch; it was working fine this morning and is likewise this evening. Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > The museum appears to have been closed. > > > On May 12, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > >> I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7 or more years ago! >> >> For those who are curious about more recent menstruation habits, >> there's >> the online Museum of Menstruation: http://www.mum.org/ >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 21:28:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4D1Svbh022234 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4D1Snbt002521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4D1SXAI012642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 19:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D1SWG3038437; Mon, 12 May 2008 19:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.america.net (qsmtp2.america.net [69.60.160.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D1SThb037618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 19:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200805130128.m4D1SThb037618@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp2.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JvjJb-0005i9-RZ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:28:28 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:28:25 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <050720082046.21441.4822151B000CF9B7000053C122230682229B0A0 2D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> References: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <050720082046.21441.4822151B000CF9B7000053C122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Norris' Medieval Costume and Fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9e00270-89db-498b-80ca-240dfe6580d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4828EED1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, Having just received Norris in a gift basket this last weekend, I am wondering how good his TEXT is. I've heard so many of you mention this as one of the least desirable of costuming books, but no one says why. Some of that is obvious, just looking at the pictures, but I wanted to get your opinions. The date of origin is a big one, I'm sure, but what else? Thanks, Genie Who would rather look at Chinese costume more than European these days. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 22:07:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4D27kpG024418 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:07:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4D27fHk016381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4D27PR9014951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D27Oa6064321; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.89]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4D27LXQ064262 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 36922 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.232.122?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.45.232.122 with plain) by smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 02:07:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1xyljO8VM1nmY__NHH7jpJyi5PyhhQnWgM1GNjv66aNy7Pu5q6M0_Qo7omj7Zx9EVcFXWKzlUL_Nh6b9IKWy4CTpHmCKO3e8sL0PqNbyXQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200805130128.m4D1SThb037618@net.indra.com> References: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <050720082046.21441.4822151B000CF9B7000053C122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> <200805130128.m4D1SThb037618@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <60980F16-B1C0-44A5-8680-06CB777451EE@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:08:41 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norris' Medieval Costume and Fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 342668d0-5d78-4b4b-b7ff-4b1f36d445b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4828F7ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 22:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have his Tudor volume rather than the Medieval one, but the text in the Tudor volume is entirely suspect. Just as in his drawings, in his text there are some good bits of information and some that are almost entirely invented. Since he doesn't cite anything, the only way you'll know the difference is to check up on him with other sources. My favorite example from the Tudor book is a lovely drawing of Queen Elizabeth riding a horse in a black gown. When I first saw it, I thought, "Neat! I don't recognize that portrait--I wonder where it is..." since he often redraws from 16th-century images. Looking in the text, however, I found that he had invented the picture based on a short description from a 16th-century text. He included the description in full. Looking at the date on the description and the picture, I found that he hadn't really paid attention to what was fashionable in that year when he was drawing. Much later, I found the actual description in the original source and realized that not only had he invented the picture on rather scanty evidence (and done a fairly poor job of it), he had embellished the description in his text as well, adding in details not found in the original! I have also found the originals of some of his redrawings, and he is very prone to "correcting" the images so they'll be in line with his own sense of current fashion, including adding a cute little bow on top of a french hood in one redrawing of a memorial brass. I don't trust him an inch. Melanie Schuessler On May 12, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Genie Barrett wrote: > Having just received Norris in a gift basket this last weekend, I am > wondering how good his TEXT is. I've heard so many of you mention > this as one of the least desirable of costuming books, but no one > says why. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 12 22:26:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4D2Qfh1025558 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:26:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4D2Qa82024497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:26:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4D2QKW8016171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D2QKHb076717; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4D2QGQ7076607 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 58619 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 02:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.211.9 with plain) by smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 02:26:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MsVQHkMVM1n9h8HuhEePnevsrit7qbNhhdqklSsZwE4RfDw6fhpOOamfR6iVJA_hxQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4828FC0E.4040905@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:25:18 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <99991.69923.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <050720082046.21441.4822151B000CF9B7000053C122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> <200805130128.m4D1SThb037618@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200805130128.m4D1SThb037618@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norris' Medieval Costume and Fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6236bad8-f4e3-452f-a147-0a951a9654d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4828FC5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 May 2008 22:26:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Genie Barrett wrote: > Hello all, > > Having just received Norris in a gift basket this last weekend, I am > wondering how good his TEXT is. I've heard so many of you mention > this as one of the least desirable of costuming books, but no one > says why. Some of that is obvious, just looking at the pictures, but > I wanted to get your opinions. The date of origin is a big one, I'm > sure, but what else? The date is the root of most of the issues. Norris was doing quite a good job for his day, and is actually better than some of the later costume texts, but far better things have been published since his time. The issues with redrawing, reinterpreting, and not really understanding what he's looking at have been mentioned. He also perpetuates earlier mistakes. A lot of this stems from earlier attitudes about costuming, which tried to interpret images and descriptions of clothing in forms familiar to the reader of that time, rather than according to sound historical research and analysis. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 00:43:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4D4hEHY032246 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 00:43:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4D4h7Ex018519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 00:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4D4gner023246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2008 22:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D4gllb063117; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D4giCR063080 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABB358EC0298; Tue, 13 May 2008 04:40:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:42:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8b4b3$ce612dc0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aci0J54kziej8EaVS0qPGUxHikLjNAAjAt+g In-Reply-To: <7558.24444.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f477e4fc-1853-49fa-bf3c-390b6d3609fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48291C5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 00:43:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've heard that even today, in countries where women work hard and/or have poor nutrition, menopause sets in much earlier, around the 30's. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:01 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages Hi, I'm sorry if this has been discussed before - I've glanced through the archives and didn't find much - please point me to an earlier discussion if so. But my question is, is there any evidence and info on how did the medieval women deal with menstruation? Did they use special clothes (could they use something like pants???)? I've also heard that menstruation in the earlier times was much different from today and the menstruation could not have been such a big deal after all (not to talk about the fact that women were very often pregnant) I'm also interested in later periods - up to the 18th century - I think the way of dealing with it would have been similar to how it was done in the middle ages...but I really don't know much about this topic, that's why I rather post here and ask:-) Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 09:38:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DDc44b015741 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:38:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DDbsFo014185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DDbZXx049101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DDbUf5029961; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18h7mYLF/pfgnf42VSXS3ve7RVwX/GXLlA@mail4.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DDbRlj029857 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1h.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.186]) by mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m4DDbO9A001994 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:37:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 12139 invoked by uid 80); 13 May 2008 13:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.174.13) by 209.237.134.182 with ESMTPA; 13 May 2008 13:37:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:35:17 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26cbb2da-c690-4f06-9da8-390038c0bc8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482999B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 09:52:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DDqKq0016403 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DDqF4P011976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DDptFT050189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DDpt6X043099; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DDppx2042939 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00EXX7UAAL00@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:51:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-11-6-167.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([76.11.6.167]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:50:49 -0300 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:51:45 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001201c8b500$7bcf4db0$6601a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKM5KUhMCwan/2dsb2JhbACtBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,479,1204516800"; d="scan'208";a="210139217" References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f09b7f40-6ac0-4cb2-a3e3-629a9ef1061b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48299D0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What part of the era? I wear plain cheeks & ears over a forehead cloth, c1570 - or do they want a blackwork worked quoife - or a pattern for the polychromatic? (Both of which I cannot yet prove was worn in public) Drea has a great gallery of original embroidered quoifes. I also might know who the quoife may be for, if you will share the name of the correspondant as I know of an up-coming elevation where this may apply. Sarah Paterson aka Bess Darnley, OL, in the SCA ----- Original Message ----- > Just back from a particularly exhilarating (and exhausting) Kalamazoo and > catching up on a huge pile of e-mails. > > One correspondent writes to me that she needs to make an Elizabethan coif > for > an SCA peerage ceremony. No idea yet if it's for male or female, but I'm > guessing female. She asks if I can point her to patterns or instructions. > This > is out of my area -- can anyone offer a suggestion? If there's a web > resource > somewhere that would be great. Thanks! > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 10:21:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DEL7ml017824 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:21:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DEL1Zi030401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:21:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DEFboM052046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DEFZ9D066024; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DEFXi1065954 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id BD4E72E8208 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:12:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 584C72E808A for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:12:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806DB240051 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:15:32 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs Thread-Index: Aci0/oRUCXAIAn4uQcOEdEt5b4HULAABJ9gQ References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72e620e1-13d2-436a-9b85-bcb645daef97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4829A3CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The book "The Tudor Tailor" has scale patterns for coifs, both for men and women. There are also patterns and detailed instructions for English and French hoods, bongraces, caps and more. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:35 AM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs Just back from a particularly exhilarating (and exhausting) Kalamazoo and catching up on a huge pile of e-mails. One correspondent writes to me that she needs to make an Elizabethan coif for an SCA peerage ceremony. No idea yet if it's for male or female, but I'm guessing female. She asks if I can point her to patterns or instructions. This is out of my area -- can anyone offer a suggestion? If there's a web resource somewhere that would be great. Thanks! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 11:32:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DFWqiH021960 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:32:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DFWgb7002809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DFV9CP059024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFV658047451; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFV2p8047262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2423 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JvwSv-0002P6-1P for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:30:57 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080513162811.0386d488@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:30:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 100c07e7-f60f-46ba-b412-513e92af9996 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4829B49A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:32:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 15:15 13/05/2008, you wrote: >The book "The Tudor Tailor" has scale patterns for coifs, both for men >and women. There are also patterns and detailed instructions for English >and French hoods, bongraces, caps and more. > >Hope this helps. > >Cindy Abel Do make toiles of the coif patterns in the Tudor Tailor. I, who should have known better, didn't and the coif I made looked like it had been made for a rather malnourished child. But then I have a large head - yeah, no comments thanks! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 11:39:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DFdRcu022228 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:39:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DFdLND010554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:39:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DFd6XG059661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFd66i056688; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFd2bW056532 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:40:41 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:40:39 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B032202A3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080513162811.0386d488@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs Thread-Index: Aci1DtY/WHb7n1kNSTCoCBeAzxm+qwAAL0dQ References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080513162811.0386d488@suziclarke.co.uk> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 15:40:41.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2E729D0:01C8B50F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d52b7e73-5039-4ef9-8f7e-05db54e6dd6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4829B629.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:39:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The lovely people at Tudor Tailor seem to be small as well as lovely. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs At 15:15 13/05/2008, you wrote: >The book "The Tudor Tailor" has scale patterns for coifs, both for men >and women. There are also patterns and detailed instructions for English >and French hoods, bongraces, caps and more. > >Hope this helps. > >Cindy Abel Do make toiles of the coif patterns in the Tudor Tailor. I, who should have known better, didn't and the coif I made looked like it had been made for a rather malnourished child. But then I have a large head - yeah, no comments thanks! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 11:55:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DFtrhL023084 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DFtiAl002798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DFt9vL061247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFt8Vs075021; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFt5NG074858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2618 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JvwqB-0006TK-G6 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:54:59 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080513165408.03877d60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:54:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B032202A3@lynx.campus.muc.p rv> References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080513162811.0386d488@suziclarke.co.uk> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B032202A3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92557d54-a9a2-4caa-951b-131f1b012e39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4829BA00.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:40 13/05/2008, you wrote: >The lovely people at Tudor Tailor seem to be small as well as lovely. > >Patty Oh, indeed they are - very slender ladies, both Jane and Ninya! >t 15:15 13/05/2008, you wrote: > >The book "The Tudor Tailor" has scale patterns for coifs, both for men > >and women. There are also patterns and detailed instructions for >English > >and French hoods, bongraces, caps and more. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >Cindy Abel > >Do make toiles of the coif patterns in the Tudor Tailor. I, who >should have known better, didn't and the coif I made looked like it >had been made for a rather malnourished child. But then I have a >large head - yeah, no comments thanks! > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 14:51:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DIpfYQ001951 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:51:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DIpXrS027811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:51:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DIp401080726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DIoxqs086117; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DIotSL086009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:50:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvzaQ-0002qH-0y for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:50:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1628098C298F42CC925684A073BDBD13@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:44:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd83bbb0-773a-4863-8970-a24dbd3bd74f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4829E335.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 14:51:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks everyone for your help! I've bought shoes from Sarah Juniper in the past, and love them to pieces, but assumed from her website that this wasn't a period she works with. I'm sending her an order soon anyway, so I'll ask her then. I've sent an email to Annello and Davide too, I'm in the UK, so those two work best for me anyway! Thanks again, and I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk http://www.dressing-history.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 18:19:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DMJR5N013637 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:19:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DMIxHR010966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DMI8CC001025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 16:18:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DMI4k8014107; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:18:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DMI11a013991 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49210] helo=[192.168.1.6]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id D2/4D-21017-1931A284; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:44 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] MC&T 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f73570ec-55d5-4720-9d91-56d6b4e29948 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482A13D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 18:19:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's heeeere!!!! Just diving in--thank you Robin and everyone else! The Russian flax industry is fascinating. Pity I have to go out and do chores But it's a great reward for finishing them up. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 19:04:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4DN4UUx016197 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:04:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4DN4Pxj029994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:04:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DN4692004856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DN44pL059553; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DN40Nw059472 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00J3TXELSS00@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00C3HXEKYP40@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:55 +1000 From: Jane Stockton In-reply-to: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0K0T00C3IXEKYP40@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2008.5.13.155207 References: <48299915.4050308@netherton.net> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report='BLOGSPOT_URI 0.5, X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_900_999 0, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46b75bb1-7dfb-4c9e-b226-197943f0ca08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482A1E79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 19:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:35 PM 13/05/2008, you wrote: >Just back from a particularly exhilarating (and exhausting) Kalamazoo and >catching up on a huge pile of e-mails. > >One correspondent writes to me that she needs to make an Elizabethan coif for >an SCA peerage ceremony. No idea yet if it's for male or female, but I'm >guessing female. She asks if I can point her to patterns or >instructions. This >is out of my area -- can anyone offer a suggestion? If there's a web resource >somewhere that would be great. Thanks! > >--Robin Robin, History, construction and decoration details at: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/coif.html Cheers, Jane ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 13 23:05:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4E35Vkt032335 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4E35Qo1008413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4E357N5021840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 21:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E354Is040448; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E351CO040354 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c30.307e9ccc (48552) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3d07fa7-ef33-40f9-8a01-8da3f1b3b827 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482A56F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I haven't used them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them hats, scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and made pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't have to know how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete different. I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I haven't done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make stockings on it that re enactors could use. Chris P. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 00:38:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4E4cmVA004183 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 00:38:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4E4chnn008725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 00:38:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4E4cNvj027443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 22:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E4cLEs004936; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E4cI4M004907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.110] (dial-209-148-99-110.sonic.net [209.148.99.110] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4E4cGWu008546 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:23 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b65b6121-d01a-4f3c-bafd-19ca20902601 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482A6CD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 00:38:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How much is it like using a weaving loom? I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just have never wanted to knit by hand. Fran ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing > attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I haven't used > them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them hats, > scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and made > pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't have to know > how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete > different. > > I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I haven't > done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make stockings on > it that re enactors could use. > > Chris P. > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 03:16:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4E7GkLu004180 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 03:16:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4E7Gf0b021222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 03:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4E7EweE035056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 01:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E7Etut007772; Wed, 14 May 2008 01:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4E7Eq5D007690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 01:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:1075 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JwBCI-000437-R5 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:14:47 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080514081007.038fae30@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:14:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a50109fa-5715-446f-8720-912a046a01d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482A91D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 03:16:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 04:05 14/05/2008, you wrote: >Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing >attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I >haven't used >them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them hats, >scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and made >pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't >have to know >how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete >different. > >I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I haven't >done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make stockings on >it that re enactors could use. A lady here in the U. K. makes lovely stockings with a machine. You might like to contact her and ask her advice/help. Her name is Sally Pointer. http://www.sallypointer.com/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 09:08:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ED8QOh020995 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:08:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ED8EsZ007628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ED6VBS054661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 07:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ED6NYF090005; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ED6JGe089869 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 May 2008 09:08:03 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B032203B0@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Knitting machines Thread-Index: Aci1fKWxQGf6i+5VTqOaCijSfur/iQARpshg References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 13:08:03.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B3A40C0:01C8B5C3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20d637a4-1f22-4551-9f0e-e88485bb58a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482AE43E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I used to crochet, but I never wanted to knit either. I think, for me, it's because you get to use so much air (holes on purpose) when you crochet - it goes faster. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines How much is it like using a weaving loom? I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just have never wanted to knit by hand. Fran ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing > attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I haven't used > them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them hats, > scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and made > pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't have to know > how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete > different. > > I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I haven't > done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make stockings on > it that re enactors could use. > > Chris P. > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 09:19:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EDJ0lo021339 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:19:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EDInwk031687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:18:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EDIOIl055678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 07:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EDIO0j002086; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EDIKgi002031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.154] (core-dc-1-154.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4EDI9Sv003857 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:18:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Carol Kocian Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:18:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99af40b6-5a66-4e54-a538-5a75dc8558e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482AE6B9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I > haven't done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I > could make stockings on it that re enactors could use. It depends on the era and accuracy you're aiming for. Circular knitters were used for stockings in the 19th century. Prior to that, machine-knit stocking were knit flat to shape and seamed up the back and along the sides of the foot. Hand knit stockings were always around and knit in the round. With a circular sock machine, you could make accurate stockings for the 19th and 20th centuries. For earlier times, you can offer colors and materials beyond what is commercially available currently. Early knits for stockings, both hand and frame (machine) knit, are dense without much stretch. Latch hook machines make a stretchy knit, and even with the tension set very high it's not exactly the same. Considering that a most historic costuming means compromise, you can provide something that will be useful to earlier reenactors. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 11:20:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EFKSkI026179 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:20:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EFKKsG011177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EFJpNE066839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 09:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EFJl2d037897; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4EFJi5c037636 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72310 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 15:19:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _S7cF1IVM1kfGIYIE9DJ227lSGrCh7rauU50pAFuGONPch024zOKXy3kmcFuywkWp.6bajQITM25i_UJcfoES_TasqVCnF_uFtLYcf3a7qvKVgmuPFmJa3aJuw-- Received: from [24.130.46.34] by web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:19:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <459468.71517.qm@web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking serger (was Overlocker thread) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 372f01da-de1f-4686-a3b7-ac5d4c42fe28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B0334.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Katy, I have a Viking 905, which I believe is still sold, that I bought at least 10 years ago. It's pretty basic, but easy to thread and runs like a trooper. You can do 2, 3 or 4 thread stitches, and it's easy to switch to/from rolled hems, etc. http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/us/880.htm I finally had it serviced a few months ago, because it was acting up, and got thoroughly scolded by the service technician for not having it regularly serviced or oiling it every 100 hrs. So, to quote the old Timex ad, it takes a licking and keeps on ticking! My friend has the 910, which is the exact same machine, but it has a "sewing advisor" display that helps you to set the tension, differential, etc, rather than looking up the settings in the manual. Not worth the extra money, IMO... ~mary ________________________________ The whole difference between construction and creation is exactly this: that a thing constructed can only be loved after it is constructed; but a thing created is loved before it exists. ~ Charles Dickens >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:55:24 -0400 >From: "Katy Bishop" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread > >I had a very early Viking home serger, bought about 25 years ago, that >was always such a pain to thread and the tension would get screwed up >easily. I haven't had a working serger for about 10 years now and I >miss it. Does anyone have a recent Viking serger, any >recommendations? > >Katy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 12:22:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EGMjRg028687 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EGMb62005426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EGLxXQ072869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EGLuYX002488; Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EGLqgi002412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.86] (core-dc-1-86.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4EGLcK9029834 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:21:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:21:36 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3425a2f-1f9d-481c-a3ba-86fdd1e36be3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B11CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 12:22:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Lavolta Press wrote: > How much is it like using a weaving loom? With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project. The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back & forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving. It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with punch cards on a knitting machine. Patterns can be done with cards as well. One approach is to go to a store that sells the machines to see the features and capabilities of each. I visited several stores to see different brands. It sounds like you have an idea of the type of things you want to make. For historic costume, home knitting machines are most suitable for 19th ad 20th century items. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 13:22:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EHMpU2031159 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:22:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EHMj8g031084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EHMGGs078772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 11:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EHMEPg077204; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EHMB59077132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.143] (dial-209-148-101-143.sonic.net [209.148.101.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4EHM997015182 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 10:22:10 -0700 Message-ID: <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:22:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 418911f0-7a8d-484a-919a-d30924e7b082 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B1FE5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 13:22:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project. > The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back & > forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving. I know this sounds totally decadent, but are there any home machines with electric carriages? > > It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with > punch cards on a knitting machine. Patterns can be done with cards > as well. And will they all take cards? > > One approach is to go to a store that sells the machines to see > the features and capabilities of each. I visited several stores to > see different brands. I will eventually, but due to time constraints, not right now. I probably won't get one till after we move, I need a bigger sewing room even for all the stuff I have now, let alone a new sewing machine and a knitting machine. Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 15:14:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EJEART003855 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:14:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EJE5ZS001557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:14:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EJDcXU087926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 13:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJDaPG094655; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJDVNd094597 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RXDV1Z0060b6N64A100300; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:13:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RXDP1Z0033kY7qX8P00000; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:13:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=-IKj5FyXK41R9-Z_l7QA:9 a=-BJE1xDSK9sIxdk95bkkj03lcuUA:4 a=FEaNhf3AWQsA:10 Message-ID: <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:14:29 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c5c1275-ebd7-4120-94cf-9a64856c4a52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B39FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 15:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: >> With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project. >> The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back & >> forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving. > > I know this sounds totally decadent, but are there any home machines > with electric carriages? There are motor drives available for some knitting machines. They automate sliding the carriage, but that's it. The motor drive must be halted while carriage or needle settings are adjusted manually as required by your pattern. I don't know of any home machines that are fully automated. >> It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with >> punch cards on a knitting machine. Patterns can be done with cards >> as well. > > And will they all take cards? Some machines support punch cards. Some machines have computer control. Some machines are purely manual. There's a great demo on youtube in three parts that shows manual shaping of a sock. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 15:19:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EJJxD6004135 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:19:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EJJq0V014865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EJJQlP088346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJJPaN000872; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4EJJMeW000683 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99823 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 19:19:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U_xGTXAVM1kZRs30KYlk3xjS05S69u6R.EV3vd.e6fVlPch9Ir9BuIyS7ID7dWW5pJ1h0VvzDw0uuzYp3E_556pj3aJqNoxC_kig1WQP0Bg4Ghq.XobDFdffQac- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:19:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <574449.96482.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07118d7b-a6ce-4473-9158-efe8a11ea3fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482B3B59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Belatedly chiming in (sorry, I'm always a few weeks behind in reading this list). Here's the webpage the picture of the pocket came from: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/pocketsofhistory.html They don't have a date for the specific pocket being discussed, and their image database won't be online until 2008 (hello? it's 2008 already!), but they do mention that their pockets date from 1700 to 1800. The shape and embroidery on this pocket is very typical of pockets seen in the 1700s (as in, there's dozens of similar extant examples, many of them American). So, I'm afraid it's really unlikely that this pocket dates to the 1600s. To the person who asked about making a pocket like this one: it's most likely crewelwork, and you can find diagrams of very similar pockets in (and I may need to verify): "Fitting & Proper" by Sharon Ann Burnston "Costume Close-Up" by Linda Baumgarten et. al. "18th Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh and lots of pretty pictures at: http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/pockets/collections/index.html If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) Claudine (who collects photos of 18th c. pockets :) ) ----- Original Message ---- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember reading that it was early 1600s but I am not 100% sure of the year 20. It was list in either Elizabethan or Jacobean. De -----Original Message----- At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: >I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said >that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. >Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi >De > ***************************************** Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 15:24:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EJODGg004327 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:24:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EJO71t008027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:24:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EJNmmx088724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJNkC4005323; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJNgJB005262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.188] (dial-209-148-99-188.sonic.net [209.148.99.188] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4EJNeWB011936 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:23:41 -0700 Message-ID: <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:23:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 932cb5b9-b884-4542-a814-e156b8a72a3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B3C58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 15:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The computer control sounds cool. Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you had to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you can just adjust to your yarn thickness? BTW, are there crocheting machines? Thanks, Fran > Some machines support punch cards. Some machines have computer control. > Some machines are purely manual. > > There's a great demo on youtube > in three parts that shows > manual shaping of a sock. > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 15:57:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EJvFd7005489 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:57:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EJv93Z000920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:57:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EJufwb091478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJuejR040377; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EJubZO040228 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EJuUwQ018336 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:56:30 -0700 References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0673fec4-8f89-4cb1-b016-743e23cf2885 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B4416.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > The computer control sounds cool. > > Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you > had > to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could > not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you > can just adjust to your yarn thickness? Carol K appears to have far greater knowledge on knitting machines than I do, but I can answer this one. Knitting different size yarns by hand requires different size knitting needles. Knitting different size yarns by machine requires different size knitting needles, and this necessitates different needle spacing. The only way to "adjust" to different size needles would be to replace the whole needle bed, and that's the largest part of the machine. Even the high-end machines have these limitations. It is possible to run thicker yarns on machines designed for thinner yarns if the needles allow, but the needle spacing can still be an issue. One of the tricks is to move alternating needles into the "non- working" position to create extra space, but you're effectively halving the size of your machine when you do this, and probably wonking up the punch card or computer-controlled patterns. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:14:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKEurC006336 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:14:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKEoEq015024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKEXs1092984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKEVcb059898; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKER21059831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.188] (dial-209-148-99-188.sonic.net [209.148.99.188] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4EKEPCY008354 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:14:26 -0700 Message-ID: <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:14:30 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8389e50-2599-493f-a1ec-171331678cc3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482B483B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow sliding in a new unit. Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards are good to know about. Fran Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On May 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: >> The computer control sounds cool. >> >> Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you >> had >> to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could >> not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you >> can just adjust to your yarn thickness? > > Carol K appears to have far greater knowledge on knitting machines > than I do, but I can answer this one. > > Knitting different size yarns by hand requires different size knitting > needles. Knitting different size yarns by machine requires different > size knitting needles, and this necessitates different needle spacing. > The only way to "adjust" to different size needles would be to replace > the whole needle bed, and that's the largest part of the machine. > > Even the high-end machines have these limitations. > > It is possible to run thicker yarns on machines designed for thinner > yarns if the needles allow, but the needle spacing can still be an > issue. One of the tricks is to move alternating needles into the "non- > working" position to create extra space, but you're effectively > halving the size of your machine when you do this, and probably > wonking up the punch card or computer-controlled patterns. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:24:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKOE4Z006835 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKO79C012511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKNQop093808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKNQmv069576; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKNN7K069383 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKNHwQ006379 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:17 -0700 References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b269a4a-276b-4cb9-99d1-b7034e226ac5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B4A67.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow > sliding > in a new unit. Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards > are > good to know about. Alas, this is a question of precision machining, not of computer control. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:25:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKP6Zu006882 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:25:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKP042018417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKOhb5093963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKOgQU070952; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKOd0L070800 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKOXwQ007071 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:17 -0700 References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68e6d2f5-db7d-4b63-b02f-19363643ae64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B4A9C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:25:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow > sliding > in a new unit. Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards > are > good to know about. Alas, this is a question of precision machining, not of computer control. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:39:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKdiIl008099 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKdaTD016839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKYOdN094793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKYOke080851; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKYL5P080802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.188] (dial-209-148-99-188.sonic.net [209.148.99.188] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4EKYJWm002864 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:25 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d939fb2f-c819-4969-87d7-9f740c89d7b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482B4E09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And here I thought precision machining had improved over the years too. Fran Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On May 14, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: >> Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow >> sliding >> in a new unit. Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards >> are >> good to know about. > > Alas, this is a question of precision machining, not of computer > control. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:45:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKjkdL008445 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:45:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKjfpV020973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKj4hC095721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKj4mn091210; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKj0DR091101 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKiuwQ020280 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:44:56 -0700 References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b6274a3-9f12-4155-a7c3-aee22cfe3a85 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482B4F75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:45:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > And here I thought precision machining had improved over the years > too. Oh, it has, but that doesn't change the design of a knitting machine bed. A modern knitting machine bed is usually a long chunk of aluminum with small carefully spaced machined channels in which the needles lie. It's a simple and effective design, with very tight tolerances. The practicality of engineering a bed with variable-depth and variable- width channels so hundreds of needles can be replaced with a different number of different-sized needles that require different spacing in the same area is absurd. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:52:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKqw8f008741 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:52:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKqqXh004127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKqf0L096319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKqf8k099215; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway12.websitewelcome.com (gateway12.websitewelcome.com [69.93.243.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4EKqcFr099159 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 1635 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52348) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JwNxh-0005Ho-Ij; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:52:33 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20080514165233.a6c8slzfesoog8ow@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:52:33 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <574449.96482.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <574449.96482.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4054ad2-c92c-45c0-9105-6d54eb853dca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B5124.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com: > > If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly > could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have > spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) > There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. A lady in the SCA has her research (and the snippets from a couple of the paintings) here http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat's%20Soccaccia.html Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 16:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4EKtbGi008820 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4EKtSQK027492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4EKtG2K096542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKtGlX001907; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4EKtEsd001859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.188] (dial-209-148-99-188.sonic.net [209.148.99.188] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4EKtCUF032532 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:13 -0700 Message-ID: <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:17 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6101074c-f2aa-4b24-aa57-72e4b1ea40d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482B51C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's been over 25 years since I looked at knitting machines, so I can hardly be expected to know everything about modern ones. I have seen that the comparatively simple knitting looms that were around when I looked 25 years ago are still available. And actually, the prices are so low, it's not that expensive to buy one each for fine, medium, and thick yarn. But y'know, I love equipment, and I want the latest in knitting machines. They seem to be rather out of fashion. There was a time when everybody had to have a sewing machine and a knitting machine, then they had to have a sewing machine and a serger, now they have to have an embroidery sewing machine. For some reason, when I was a kid and my mother introduced me to crochet and knitting, I liked crochet and I disliked knitting. I couldn't stand counting stitches when knitting; but then I was pretty young. Just the same I'd be interested in a home crocheting loom if there is such a thing. I spent five minutes on the net, and what I found is (a) instructions for doing a crochet stitch on a knitting machine and (b) simple devices for hairpin crochet--I had one of those when I was a kid too. Fran > > A modern knitting machine bed is usually a long chunk of aluminum with > small carefully spaced machined channels in which the needles lie. > It's a simple and effective design, with very tight tolerances. The > practicality of engineering a bed with variable-depth and variable- > width channels so hundreds of needles can be replaced with a different > number of different-sized needles that require different spacing in > the same area is absurd. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 17:22:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4ELMYdd009999 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:22:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ELMT74008365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:22:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4ELM8xt098717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 15:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ELM5Sf028354; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4ELM2vj028260 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:22:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4ELLwwQ011881 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:21:58 -0700 References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 491d6a88-b71a-479c-8c3a-153470d0f6cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482B5815.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 17:22:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > But y'know, I love equipment, and I want the latest in knitting > machines. They seem to be rather out of fashion. There was a time when > everybody had to have a sewing machine and a knitting machine, then > they > had to have a sewing machine and a serger, now they have to have an > embroidery sewing machine. Unfortunately, your impression seems to be about right. Both Passap (the most advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines. I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend themselves to multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're pretty much useless without at least basic knowledge of hand-knitting. Then again, it could just be that serious knitting machines are large, too large for apartment-dwellers. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 20:57:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F0vawD025787 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F0vUjA010574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F0vCTs013987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 18:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F0v98v046233; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F0v5Pl046173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.214] (core-dc-2-214.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4F0uxeu032359 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> Message-Id: <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:56:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8e5b560-3ca7-4513-80c3-186f69f2df32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482B8A7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > Unfortunately, your impression seems to be about right. Both Passap > (the most advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest > Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines. Then maybe secondhand machines would be available. I guess the idea of seeing machines at a shop is less likely, though. > I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend themselves > to multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're pretty much > useless without at least basic knowledge of hand-knitting. Then > again, it could just be that serious knitting machines are large, > too large for apartment-dwellers. Industrial machines would tend to be more limited, each to its particular purpose. Some are much wider than home machines, can make very wide fabric or multiple items at once. Home machines are made to be versatile for varied projects. Andy covered the details on gauges. I think most people would start with the medium. Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster, bulky knitters are not as crucial to have. Fine gauge is also a specialty type of machine. You may well want to have all three gauges, fully computerized and automated. But the medium would be a good start. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 21:32:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F1W12K027636 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:32:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F1Vuq2014013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F1VgMk016424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1Vg2b072436; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1Vcw1072337 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.123]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080515013132.XHBZ22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:32 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.123]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080515013131.GUVF12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:31 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:30:04 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080515013131.GUVF12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] NESAT X X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d0b14cf-aed4-4acb-9025-64fec0fcbb0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B928C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 21:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The 10th NESAT Conference (Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles) is going on this week (13-18 May 2008) in Copenhagen. You can download a schedule here http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/upload/application/pdf/f51d6748/Program%20May6.pdf The current anticipated date of publication is Spring 2009. Wish that I were there!.. but the DISTAFF sessions last week at the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo were very good also. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 21:49:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F1npeV028606 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:49:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F1nkir020949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:49:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F1nUCa017664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 19:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1nU77085255; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1nQHU085202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.54] (dial-209-148-99-54.sonic.net [209.148.99.54] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4F1nOKG017136 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:49:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2475fdd2-4369-4936-8ca0-b16d11791820 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482B96BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Industrial machines would tend to be more limited, each to its > particular purpose. Some are much wider than home machines, can make > very wide fabric or multiple items at once. Home machines are made > to be versatile for varied projects. Which is a good idea. > > Andy covered the details on gauges. I think most people would > start with the medium. That's what I remember people starting with when I looked into this before. Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster, > bulky knitters are not as crucial to have. Fine gauge is also a > specialty type of machine. I thought fine gauge might be nice for lacey knits. I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong preference for crocheting over knitting. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 21:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F1xrSt029076 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F1xj1t031638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F1sS9x017963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 19:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1sSov088677; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F1sQ3N088653 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so157320hsz.15 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr2356079agb.82.1210816466395; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.11 with HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590805141854p3c9d2a6ame8d2441ebc432272@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:54:26 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96ec0b9b-07a3-481e-92c2-0ca3dfab2305 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482B9911.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 21:59:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this > childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if > you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong > preference for crocheting over knitting. > I've also found that there are those who love crochet and hate knitting, and other that love knitting and hate crochet. I can do both, but I'd rather be knitting. It's kind of like those that embroider, some like charted designs/techniques and others that prefer free form work. alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:06:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F2667Z029519 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F261nE001190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F25ZR4018694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F25Wuv096317; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F25SC1096274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.54] (dial-209-148-99-54.sonic.net [209.148.99.54] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4F25Qnn023005 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:05:27 -0700 Message-ID: <482B9A72.6060404@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:05:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> <870801590805141854p3c9d2a6ame8d2441ebc432272@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590805141854p3c9d2a6ame8d2441ebc432272@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31bda58b-b102-4043-8692-cdb4e78c1341 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482B9A89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've always seen crocheting as more freeform. Fran Alexandria Doyle wrote: >> I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this >> childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if >> you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong >> preference for crocheting over knitting. >> > > I've also found that there are those who love crochet and hate > knitting, and other that love knitting and hate crochet. > > I can do both, but I'd rather be knitting. > > It's kind of like those that embroider, some like charted > designs/techniques and others that prefer free form work. > > alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F26YdA029559 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F26TsJ004757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F26Ex1018736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:06:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F26EiQ096795; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:06:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F26APH096687 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bfa.14f64ea7 (32913) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:55 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4b77888-7f92-458b-8fa4-5ee71a1093ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B9AA5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:06:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 5/13/2008 11:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: How much is it like using a weaving loom? I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just have never wanted to knit by hand. Fran I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's anything like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and bind off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually transfer the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving the carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in, add the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to sew the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger at the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special carriage or machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an old one I bought somewhere but never tried it out. Chris **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:10:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F2ATRG029729 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:10:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F2AO8r007557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F286YA018878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F286pa098100; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F283Qv097988 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.cfb.3228d638 (32913) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:07:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19784c78-b138-443c-92cb-5bff0557336e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482B9B90.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 5/14/2008 2:15:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: A lady here in the U. K. makes lovely stockings with a machine. You might like to contact her and ask her advice/help. Her name is Sally Pointer. http://www.sallypointer.com/ Suzi Thanks a lot for the info! I'll check into it. Chris P. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:22:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F2MGkh030427 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:22:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F2MBmd007516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:22:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F2Lt5o019697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2Lto7008130; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2LqNa008025 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc5.32a08c1a (32913) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:21:39 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6782469-ac64-4a25-9eb4-eff711dfd8a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482B9E53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I should think I could even use my straight knitting machines to make the stockings if I wanted a seam up the back. And even if you knit them by hand you're going to have some give because of the nature of the stitches. But right now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more outfits than making stockings for other people. It's really hard trying to get some sewing done with a retired husband around. Every time I want to go in my sewing room, he thinks of some other work I should be doing instead. Chris P. On May 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I > haven't done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I > could make stockings on it that re enactors could use. It depends on the era and accuracy you're aiming for. Circular knitters were used for stockings in the 19th century. Prior to that, machine-knit stocking were knit flat to shape and seamed up the back and along the sides of the foot. Hand knit stockings were always around and knit in the round. With a circular sock machine, you could make accurate stockings for the 19th and 20th centuries. For earlier times, you can offer colors and materials beyond what is commercially available currently. Early knits for stockings, both hand and frame (machine) knit, are dense without much stretch. Latch hook machines make a stretchy knit, and even with the tension set very high it's not exactly the same. Considering that a most historic costuming means compromise, you can provide something that will be useful to earlier reenactors. -Carol **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:32:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F2WCmi031018 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F2W7kf012033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F2Vv1V020383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2VvnV015456; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2VsFN015379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.54] (dial-209-148-99-54.sonic.net [209.148.99.54] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4F2VgOP000301 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:50 -0700 Message-ID: <482BA099.3030709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63d464c5-f10c-45c3-9fdd-6fc99a038d7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482BA0A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's anything > like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and bind > off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually transfer > the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving the > carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in, add > the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I > also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to sew > the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger > at the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special > carriage or machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an old one I > bought somewhere but never tried it out. > OK, it sounds like fun. Thanks, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 22:52:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F2qEM9032306 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F2q9KB027918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:52:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F2poIf021788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2pnuj068753; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F2pkM0068636 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.cd5.2e9d6142 (32913) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:51:37 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c70249b-ba53-4bef-b4ea-76271eac28a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482BA559.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:52:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can still find knitting machines on ebay. Just make sure you type in "knitting machine", not the plural. Brother and Studio machines are the more common ones and very much the same in the way they look and how you use them. Passap is the more expensive one and the carriage and some of the terminology is a bit different. I bought the Studios because there was a store in town that handled them at the time, but if one was available I would have rather gone for the Brother machines. I do love my Studio machines though. Chris P. In a message dated 5/14/2008 7:57:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: On May 14, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > Unfortunately, your impression seems to be about right. Both Passap > (the most advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest > Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines. Then maybe secondhand machines would be available. I guess the idea of seeing machines at a shop is less likely, though. > I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend themselves > to multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're pretty much > useless without at least basic knowledge of hand-knitting. Then > again, it could just be that serious knitting machines are large, > too large for apartment-dwellers. Industrial machines would tend to be more limited, each to its particular purpose. Some are much wider than home machines, can make very wide fabric or multiple items at once. Home machines are made to be versatile for varied projects. Andy covered the details on gauges. I think most people would start with the medium. Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster, bulky knitters are not as crucial to have. Fine gauge is also a specialty type of machine. You may well want to have all three gauges, fully computerized and automated. But the medium would be a good start. -Carol **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 23:17:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F3H07S001328 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:17:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F3Gtq6020960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F3GX5l023397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F3GVbs085052; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F3GSFf084941 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080515031621.UUXC26883.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:21 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id RfGN1Z00A2wVAe002fGNiz; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:22 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c8b63a$0b0fc380$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> thread-index: AcizPlcOJD3keIGGRLy37B6TqrOfVgC+lt4Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd9da96e-6d5c-4576-8f00-5d619677fe5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482BAB27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do different things? Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job! Suzi, Suzi, Suzi Some of us like to have different machines for different projects. Some of us collect them for their beauty. Some of us just can't decide which machine is best. I just think that they are really cool! Anne (Singer treadle, 2 hand crank machines, a Featherweight, my mother's old Slant-O-Matic, my Singer Fashion machine bought 40 years ago, my newr Singer with free arm and stretch stitch capability and my battery operated lock stitch machine for camping) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: 5/13/2008 7:31 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 14 23:55:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F3t6II003681 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:55:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F3t1cJ030028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:55:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F3sheq025516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 21:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F3sgkY010641; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F3sdlQ010597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.214] (core-dc-2-214.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4F3sXHq001869 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> References: <482A6CBF.50900@lavoltapress.com> <27B7709D-E189-40C6-B53A-395EA3705D9D@patriot.net> <482B1FC3.8000009@lavoltapress.com> <482B3A15.9060502@bovil.com> <482B3C40.7040104@lavoltapress.com> <187F3532-B757-4DFA-B502-D79ECF9DA6FF@bovil.com> <482B4826.8080509@lavoltapress.com> <482B4CD1.4050805@lavoltapress.com> <482B51B5.9030501@lavoltapress.com> <1A792B47-9C2D-4D62-BCD1-8161DBE63102@bovil.com> <35FB96C5-FBF2-4670-B744-79D336E92B4F@patriot.net> <482B96AF.5000000@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: <7EDC520B-2D02-4003-8043-6731256ABC5B@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd88bc57-1a0a-4d70-936e-6520ba807ba0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482BB415.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 May 2008 23:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > I thought fine gauge might be nice for lacey knits. Or use thin yarn on a medium gauge machine. > I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got > this childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not > so bad if you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my > mother's strong preference for crocheting over knitting. At least try scarves as a way to learn different stitches. If you hate counting stitches, put a marker every 5 stitches and then you will see quickly if you are missing one. Eventually you will get a feel for it and not have to count very much at all. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 00:05:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F455TD004402 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:05:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F44w3Q022836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F44ixD025992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F44h3f017412; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F44d6Q017370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.214] (core-dc-2-214.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4F44Xou015187 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:04:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <644EA65F-5904-4A7A-9EB5-0EF9BB94F103@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:04:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb6ff9e0-d6ff-4e95-9fe9-665d530a984e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482BB66B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 00:05:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 14, 2008, at 10:21 PM, ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > I should think I could even use my straight knitting machines to > make the stockings if I wanted a seam up the back. And even if you > knit them by hand you're going to have some give because of the > nature of the stitches. You would think so, but when examining originals I can see that 18th century handknits are done tighter and firmer than is done by modern handknitters. Try knitting with a yarn that is the same thickness as your needles and you will be closer to it. But again, it all depends on whether you are aiming for exact repros, or something that improves on most of what is available and people will want. > But right now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more > outfits than making stockings for other people. It's really hard > trying to get some sewing done with a retired husband around. Every > time I want to go in my sewing room, he thinks of some other work > I should be doing instead. If he's recently retired, sounds like he needs to find his own work he should be doing. I take it he was in management? :-D I hate to suggest he might like the knitting machines, because then you still might not get to work with them yourself. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 00:18:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F4ISHr005354 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:18:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F4ILTQ013299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F4I3G4026609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F4I2SG026730; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F4Hx9q026691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.214] (core-dc-2-214.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4F4HsWU014661 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:17:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <00c001c8b63a$0b0fc380$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> <00c001c8b63a$0b0fc380$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Message-Id: <6A064D3D-6ABD-44DE-87C5-D4ECD2FB2C92@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:17:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a78488a-0ff6-4d02-8f4d-aa3aa0315b18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482BB98D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 00:18:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? Tee hee - sewing machines are like cars, and it's all a matter of how you buy them. Some people upgrade every few years, others get something for it's reliability and use it for decades. A few years back I had my machine serviced (cleaned & oiled). The rather opinionated repairman said he first learned on that machine, and exclaimed that he wouldn't give me $5 on a trade-in. I said why would I get rid of a perfectly good machine for only $5? There are other machines that are are kept because they are sentimental, perhaps inherited. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 00:58:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F4ww22008533 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:58:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F4wqH4004029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F4wWso028588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F4wVZU055252; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F4wTVr055209 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RfTS1Z0020cQ2SLA804M00; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:58:29 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RgyP1Z0033kY7qX8W00000; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:58:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=or94XZ6559MA:10 a=0DXH8miPfOIA:10 a=j4CUp3hgihz_6M-rnswA:9 a=EkmQR98TZkKtch788s6RDbnVNPMA:4 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 Message-ID: <482BC2EE.50706@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:58:22 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <051020081637.29612.4825CF4E00006350000073AC22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net><674184e90805110057i5d1968a1t8b642c88a3190c6c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080511090219.03867448@suziclarke.co.uk> <00c001c8b63a$0b0fc380$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <00c001c8b63a$0b0fc380$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8af24ccb-f9c0-4408-b144-809d31e5f4c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482BC30C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 00:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anne Moeller wrote: > Some of us like to have different machines for different projects. Some of > us collect them for their beauty. Some of us just can't decide which > machine is best. I just think that they are really cool! I buy machines because they're good at something that my other machines aren't. I very rarely think in terms of replacing machines, because at this point I've developed a collection of machines, each of which is the best at a particular technique and which I wouldn't consider substituting with something else. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 01:33:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F5X0uF010372 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 01:33:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F5WpYW024835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 01:32:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F5WTm3030332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 May 2008 23:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F5WSKB079382; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F5WPZB079286 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.4.13.91]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.17.149 by bl124fd.blu124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 05:32:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.116.17.149] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: <20080514165233.a6c8slzfesoog8ow@www.goldsword.com> From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 05:32:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2008 05:32:20.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B80B320:01C8B64D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] interesting stuff from Project Guttenberg X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76b3c05e-ae1d-47dc-b13c-e33cc1fd480c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482BCB03.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 01:32:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This lady's blog researches internet links to various subjects of interest to textile people. Here are documents she found on Project Gutenberg - dates between 1850 and 1920. http://creativityjourney.blogspot.com/2008/03/textile-related-publications-1846-1921.html Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 05:21:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4F9L4jB024996 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 05:21:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4F9KsNU011309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 05:20:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4F9Kcqv042206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F9KaOI044914; Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4F9KWnu044822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=64022 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JwZdJ-000329-5Q for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 May 2008 05:20:23 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 May 2008 04:20:09 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com><855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net><48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <16a2233a0805120822q7afdb6e1i88b5abe65d58078c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 04:19:59 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 thread-index: Aci0RFjCZxzUf+g/RA27NcD5UcQQwACKFiGg In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0805120822q7afdb6e1i88b5abe65d58078c@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080515-0, 05/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2008 09:20:09.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF1AFC30:01C8B66C] X-OMR-RCPT-Passed: Yes X-Tzolkin-OMR-Domain: softwareinnovation.com X-Tzolkin-OMR-IP: 76.186.96.226 X-Tzolkin-OMR2-For: "'Uvfgbevpny Pbfghzr'" X-Tzolkin-Update: 1 X-Tzolkin-Xindi: X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV - No Detected Virus. X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e614d13f-611d-4362-9344-f0ce53308459 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482C0077.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 05:20:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more silk thread? Just Curious! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread > My new > computerised Viking sews fine with brands like Metrosene and Mettler, > but shreds silk thread. When I had that problem with my Viking I found out it was the needle, not the machine, that was shredding the thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 09:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FD6o3E023657 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:06:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FD6axE021326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:06:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FD6EKI055735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 07:06:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FD6Crr041668; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FD69rD041617 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080515130608.XGBM13735.fep51.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:06:08 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.53]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080515130608.QEND28187.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:06:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8b68c$6f13e2b0$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:06:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.53] at Thu, 15 May 2008 15:06:07 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed0eaf13-0fc9-4949-a60b-e62cf0f1700b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482C355C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 09:06:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 09:54:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FDs6IT026155 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:54:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FDrw6N024272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FDrV8Z060161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 07:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FDrU5o091130; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FDrRYR090964 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d4c.1de9ddf6 (41811) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:53:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 330ca5e0-ea6b-43bc-ae37-b4f2ee4cbbdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482C4076.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 09:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It does look like a small French Farthingale or perhaps just a padded roll....there being a very small [or none at all] bit of bulk at the CF [the strip of trim there seems to have a bit of a highlight at the point of the bodice] It is my understanding that at this point in time you sometimes see a Spanish Farthingale under a fuller pleated skirt....sometimes with a pad at the top. The angle at the waist looks too severe to be just the pleats of the skirt holding it out. But the skirt definitely has a hint of that conical shape you get with a Spanish farthingale. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 10:02:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FE2jpY026552 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:02:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FE2YwS010835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FE2GZ5060770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 08:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FE2GgK000720; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FE2F1u000604 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so341279wxd.23 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr3271139agc.20.1210860129915; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.11 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590805150702u1cc5428fn6aa66d61de252123@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:02:09 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <000801c8b68c$6f13e2b0$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c8b68c$6f13e2b0$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6b2ea08-9b02-457c-a63a-10b534b4e3f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482C427A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:02:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Because the top of this is rounded, rather than flat, I'd go with a padded roll/cushion kind of thing. The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum roll. Maybe a transtional style? The shape I'd go with would be a "c" shape for the waist with a larger "C" for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6" inches (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as required. hope this helps alex On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Hi all, > I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm > Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? > To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. > Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: > Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. > Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 10:29:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FETC8C028072 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:29:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FET7Xt021503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FESopG063216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 08:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FESnUe030038; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4FESkFM029894 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9310 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2008 14:28:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DGf4ZpcVM1ml.x2IRCbPCxNI1dJ6qn3OXMkbVJu_mWZS23GNLQDsbOsgy2YjhLULnPfqNI4QAkBYh5jdiC3P5Uqu4P3pcMLOO.c6EKmlLZbXktcyNujHpC3Wdtw- Received: from [66.57.238.98] by web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:28:40 PDT Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <712499.9175.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf639a01-ddd6-4b9d-8bc8-0990c2cc1eb0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482C48B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO WEll actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting "loom" is sort of like that concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? but they come in a few different forms... Bambi ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/13/2008 11:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: How much is it like using a weaving loom? I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just have never wanted to knit by hand. Fran I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's anything like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and bind off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually transfer the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving the carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in, add the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to sew the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger at the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special carriage or machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an old one I bought somewhere but never tried it out. Chris **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 10:36:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FEa5Wo028510 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FEZtAJ001333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FEZaT2063900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 08:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FEZaE2037440; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FEZWq5037350 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080515143531.WNSG7364.fep53.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:31 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.53]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080515143531.MTZB5989.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c8b698$eb99ab60$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8b68c$6f13e2b0$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590805150702u1cc5428fn6aa66d61de252123@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.53] at Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:30 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50ada73d-5799-4f52-b7e8-e54cfde210ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482C4A4B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Thanks Alexandria, In patterns of Fashion vol. 1560- 1620 there actually are small wheel farthingales shown on effigy figures (page 68-69) About the same size these are dated 1610 so it would be very close to 1614 in Denmark. Could off cause also be a roll as you have mentioned, and i am aware that the foot of the skirt, suggests a spanish farthingale. What i wondered was if it would be way two far out to make the dress with this pleated frill in the top at (either the roll or the wheel) It was very fashionable at this time. Thanks for your comments! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. > Because the top of this is rounded, rather than flat, I'd go with a > padded roll/cushion kind of thing. > > The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist > than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum > roll. Maybe a transtional style? > > The shape I'd go with would be a "c" shape for the waist with a larger > "C" for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6" inches > (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would > be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as > required. > > hope this helps > alex > > On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make >> the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm >> Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? >> To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. >> Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i >> would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with >> this, please let me know what you think: >> Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. >> Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's > Friday..." ;) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 11:31:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FFVaPX032016 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FFVKWS031667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FFUjOG069034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 09:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FFUgNe006813; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FFUdT2006633 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W33 ([65.55.138.68]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 May 2008 08:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:30:34 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c8b698$eb99ab60$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c8b68c$6f13e2b0$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590805150702u1cc5428fn6aa66d61de252123@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8b698$eb99ab60$3514a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2008 15:30:34.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E177860:01C8B6A0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3984a749-85f1-4ac0-b0b3-09a4fa85a8da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482C5748.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Because of its small size you could probably get away with a French farthingale. You might want to read Robin's exhausitive expirmentation on that subject. I personally don't see much "roundness" but as small as it is, based on Robin's work, I'd say you could achieve it that way. And based on her hand position, I'd say it is flat in front. I think the flounce is totally appropriate. This style lasted, in various forms well in to the 1630's in the "Germanic" states. Sg I still have part of my experimentation on farthingales for the Elizaben gown I did for the Phoenix Art Museum if you are interested. I'd have to send you the individual links as my website is still under massive reconstruction after loosing all the picture links. > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:26 +0200> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.> > Hi,> Thanks Alexandria,> In patterns of Fashion vol. 1560- 1620 there actually are small wheel > farthingales shown on effigy figures (page 68-69) About the same size these > are dated 1610 so it would be very close to 1614 in Denmark.> Could off cause also be a roll as you have mentioned, and i am aware that > the foot of the skirt, suggests a spanish farthingale.> What i wondered was if it would be way two far out to make the dress with > this pleated frill in the top at (either the roll or the wheel) It was very > fashionable at this time.> Thanks for your comments!> Bjarne> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:02 PM> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.> > > > Because the top of this is rounded,! rather than flat, I'd go with a> > padded roll/cushion kind of thing.> >> > The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist> > than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum> > roll. Maybe a transtional style?> >> > The shape I'd go with would be a "c" shape for the waist with a larger> > "C" for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6" inches> > (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would> > be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as> > required.> >> > hope this helps> > alex> >> > On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote:> >> Hi all,> >> I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make > >> the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files!> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm> >> Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale?> >> To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 de! grees.> >> Its not possible to see because of both hands cover! ing the area, but i > >> would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with > >> this, please let me know what you think:> >> Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated.> >> Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions.> >>> >> Bjarne> >> _______________________________________________> >> h-costume mailing list> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> >>> >> >> > -- > > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you> > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood,> > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's> > Friday..." ;)> > _______________________________________________> > h-costume mailing list> > h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> > > > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listin! fo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 12:25:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FGPbEZ002869 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:25:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FGPTsm015057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:25:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FGP2TL074855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGP0hO079096; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGOxT8079047 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so550419rvb.11 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr1214526rve.128.1210868698896; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:24:58 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 670c8c5c-7d9f-47ed-9634-62a777fd7375 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C63F9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly >> could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have >> spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) >There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical & unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled up. >any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of >my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads Spanish better than I do. Check their website & look for "bolsa" and "indumentaria hist=F3rica". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 12:41:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FGf7YY003669 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:41:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FGf27v030584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FGdaXJ076136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGdZTJ097665; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGdWIJ097617 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so556437rvb.11 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr1228460rvj.58.1210869572581; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:32 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 690f1e53-8bb6-4a2d-9dda-9aa90979c9c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482C679E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when > buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do > different things? Hi Suzi! Two of them are for historical re-creation events. I had a great time at one San Jose Historical Society event sewing up a simple apron with my 1890s hand cranked "luggable" Amazon machine. Zillions of boy scouts, little girls, curious parents had to try it. I'd let people crank and I'd sew simple straight seams. Little boys are speed demons & like to crank really fast... when they start competing, time to switch to lecture mode... or distract them by asking if they can figure out how the machine works. And of the rest, yes, the sturdy Singer is for leather, kevlar, canvas; the Viking embroiders; the Babylock overlocks, but the 1940s machine is just charming. No special or unique features. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 12:56:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FGuL3S004598 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:56:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FGuGOa012029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:56:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FGto5m077689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGtnkw018769; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FGtkDd018689 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rs161Z01K0S2fkCA905000; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:55:46 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rsvi1Z00P3RY8jw8V00000; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:55:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XIW220soMKIA:10 a=bdbhgjyqCcQA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=mTzZzQwYDUgJV2hZSz0A:9 a=uzh3Vl8QBiGcJ7HfGQf6rspRcMMA:4 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 a=WqoRbyU1MgSKHHgDNW4IciCnNkEA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:55:42 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:55:42 +0000 Message-Id: <051520081655.28194.482C6B0E0007E12B00006E2222064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 970288d6-ca3a-4e20-9d76-ecef33b27f80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482C6B30.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 13:17:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FHHEoD005651 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:17:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FHH97d029433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FHGpD7079706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHGpVu044839; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/HIC1y0G4ZCFK0d8gzX0gSCF0T7X11jAw@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHGmGq044767 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1h.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.186]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m4FHGll7025419 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:16:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 6431 invoked by uid 80); 15 May 2008 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.174.13) by 209.237.134.182 with ESMTPA; 15 May 2008 17:16:47 -0000 Message-ID: <482C6F83.20405@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:14:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <051520081655.28194.482C6B0E0007E12B00006E2222064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <051520081655.28194.482C6B0E0007E12B00006E2222064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 726b265f-1484-4313-af0b-96bd1a9ba95f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482C7015.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't show up in paintings. The pocket slits in 14th c. clothing are generally understood as being a way to provide access to a belt, fastened over an underdress but below an overdress, holding a pouch or other items out of sight. It's not absolutely certain, though. The Herjolfsnes finds date mostly from the very late 14th c., not the 13th. Some bits appear to be rather earlier or later but I don't think they're relevant to this question. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 13:35:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FHZ2e9006605 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FHYun9009758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FHYTX9081285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 11:34:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHYSoe066252; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHYNYb066056 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rs0L1Z00f0lTkoCA307F00; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:34:18 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RtaH1Z00F3RY8jw8Q00000; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:34:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XIW220soMKIA:10 a=bdbhgjyqCcQA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=zXp5CpYIcbMqzCuiSYUA:9 a=Jr3BjMaQayW12KyH1g7sXJxOkQkA:4 a=7Wnilqlf9zYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=LGn_z5E5VHn3GigFdysA:9 a=LCnJACcFw4V9xosAR3VRxlHDWWMA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:34:16 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:34:16 +0000 Message-Id: <051520081734.24253.482C74180003408300005EBD22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa517f62-a25b-4754-b26d-de6f0733a5f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482C7440.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:35:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the clarification, Robin, and sorry about the century -- I'm obsessed with the, like, three 13th century pieces out of the Greenland finds so I forget that the vast majority of stuff was later. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Robin Netherton > lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > > This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the > Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th > century, even though they don't show up in paintings. > > The pocket slits in 14th c. clothing are generally understood as being a way > to provide access to a belt, fastened over an underdress but below an > overdress, holding a pouch or other items out of sight. It's not absolutely > certain, though. > > The Herjolfsnes finds date mostly from the very late 14th c., not the 13th. > Some bits appear to be rather earlier or later but I don't think they're > relevant to this question. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 13:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FHfZTs006959 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FHfTgX004365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FHeS2m081832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHeQjE073563; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [69.56.216.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4FHeNZV073471 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 30203 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 17:50:19 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 17:50:19 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45339) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JwhQy-0002h5-Sc; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:40:04 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20080515134004.pdkxeck2cws44s4o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:40:04 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6fff9c21-05ab-4a68-b762-240f5a0e49dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C75C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:41:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Cin : >>> If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly >>> could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have >>> spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) > >> There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... > > Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical & > unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort > of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on > principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing > room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled > up. See, my take on that is they show the existance of pockets. Theirs = are "plain" and "utilitarian" just like their clothing -- compared to = those of the gentry and/or nobility. I think that you could take the = differences between the clothing and extrapolate that the pouches = would probably be adorned as well. Look at the shifts, for instance. = We have lots of pictorial evidance of working-class women, but none of = them have the heavily embroidered shifts/partlets that you see on = upper-class women. > >> any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of >> my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. > > Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion > on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads > Spanish better than I do. Check their website & look for "bolsa" and > "indumentaria hist=F3rica". Yeah, that's it. :-) I new somebody would know. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 13:56:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FHuS13007822 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:56:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FHuKKJ029411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FHtrla083114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 11:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHtq44091346; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FHtoFk091307 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so348651pyc.4 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.44.16 with SMTP id w16mr4728610pyj.36.1210874150428; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a70sm9180082pye.4.2008.05.15.10.55.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080515134004.pdkxeck2cws44s4o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:58:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b6bdccf-b0cd-4bb1-9514-559327889c96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482C7944.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In case anyone had trouble finding the pocket on the Museo Del Traje website, here's the enlarged photo: http://snipurl.com/290d3 [museodeltraje_mcu_es] And here's the inventory [inventario] number: CE000790 As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! Ok, sorry, just having a moment. Carry on. -E House (just bought her first house about 30 minutes ago) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 14:06:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FI6uLX008544 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FI6nXm022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FI6JfY084100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FI6IdL003395; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FI6Ejt003206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:3333 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JwhqC-0003OE-V2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080515190425.03969728@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:06:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b86d9f85-97ea-4faf-aee0-0ab78ecb2d21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C7BB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:24 15/05/2008, you wrote: > >> If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly > >> could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have > >> spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) > > >There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... > >Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical & >unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort >of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on >principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing >room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled >up. > > >any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of > >my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. > >Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion >on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads >Spanish better than I do. Check their website & look for "bolsa" and >"indumentaria hist=F3rica". There is a basic English language version of the = web site, which makes it easier to find things. = The "Bolso" is in the "Jewellery and Accessories" = part of the site. (The search thingy is case sensitive.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 14:16:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FIGvif008962 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:16:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FIGqDp003643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FIGc3M084825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIGcxk014290; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIGYVI014148 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rs0X1Z0070QkzPwA209g00; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:29 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RuGU1Z00B3RY8jw8N00000; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XIW220soMKIA:10 a=bdbhgjyqCcQA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=lw5d83BvAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=DrAw2XxWgN8A6WCMJDUA:9 a=WMs2yUURkq6b0-TSo0gmwoVctfgA:4 a=uz-bafHM8XUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 a=vWvpvvWPqGJwJfAKA9AA:9 a=TK7rMmchc4_DVeQhkVITzZHjrhcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:27 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:27 +0000 Message-Id: <051520081816.27475.482C7DFB00077BBF00006B5322064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e314095-9f0e-4085-a3d7-d86df678e5f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482C7E14.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Congratulations on buying a house. If I were having a less stupid day I would make some kind of clever observation about your name and home ownership. Anyway, congrats and best wishes! Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Exstock" > In case anyone had trouble finding the pocket on the Museo Del Traje > website, here's the enlarged photo: > http://snipurl.com/290d3 [museodeltraje_mcu_es] > And here's the inventory [inventario] number: CE000790 > > As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I > make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how > different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! > > Ok, sorry, just having a moment. Carry on. > > -E House > (just bought her first house about 30 minutes ago) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 14:17:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FIH3Fs008970 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:17:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FIGwvg020770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FIGlZt084858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIGlkH014460; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIGZu2014161 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rs0K1Z00C0QkzPwA609a00; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:30 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RuGU1Z00B3RY8jw8N00000; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XIW220soMKIA:10 a=bdbhgjyqCcQA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=lw5d83BvAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=DrAw2XxWgN8A6WCMJDUA:9 a=WMs2yUURkq6b0-TSo0gmwoVctfgA:4 a=uz-bafHM8XUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 a=vWvpvvWPqGJwJfAKA9AA:9 a=TK7rMmchc4_DVeQhkVITzZHjrhcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:27 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:27 +0000 Message-Id: <051520081816.27475.482C7DFB00077BBF00006B5322064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c09f6eba-1633-417f-99b3-42da1dcd3a02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482C7E1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:17:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Congratulations on buying a house. If I were having a less stupid day I would make some kind of clever observation about your name and home ownership. Anyway, congrats and best wishes! Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Exstock" > In case anyone had trouble finding the pocket on the Museo Del Traje > website, here's the enlarged photo: > http://snipurl.com/290d3 [museodeltraje_mcu_es] > And here's the inventory [inventario] number: CE000790 > > As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I > make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how > different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! > > Ok, sorry, just having a moment. Carry on. > > -E House > (just bought her first house about 30 minutes ago) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 15:01:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FJ1qs0010925 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FJ1kDt023576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:01:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FIuQWM088399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIuNfQ061369; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FIuK7A061167 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jwich-0005BJ-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:56:15 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:56:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5754136.1210877774995.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:56:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ca245e85d5d7a10a8b21525afc920c3fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6216978c-0c8c-4c6e-aeb8-456cbc1ea0e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C889B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 15:01:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lauren wrote: >This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in >some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest >underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't >show up in paintings. It certainly seems likely that pocket slits are to provide access to *something* hidden under the outer layer of garments, and the common thought is that in at least some cases, that "something" is some sort of self-contained "pocket" or pouch (i.e. not sewn into the seam as is the case with modern pockets) that is hung from some sort of waist tie or belt. What *form* that pouch takes, however, is less certain -- since we generally don't get to see it . The surviving 17th-18th century pockets seem to be flat, closed at the top and with a slit or opened seam partway down one side, giving access to the contents. On the other hand, when we get to see earlier pouches (such as in a painting where someone has lifted up the outer layer to display them) they seem to be simple drawstring bags with the opening at the top. Same principle, different shapes. I'd certainly consider it very plausible, for a lot of medieval and renaissance contexts, to make one or two of the drawstring type of pouch, hang it/them from a ribbon tied around my waist, and wear them under a top layer with pocket slits. I'd be more doubtful about the plausibility of the later, flat style of hanging pocket in contexts before about 1600. (Though I haven't looked at the Spanish example yet.) OTOH, I can testify that the later style is certainly easier to get one's hand into when you can't see what you're doing.... so practicality might win in that case. (I have a farthingaleI made with a two-piece adjustable waistband, and it has side openings from the waist down to about thigh level. I sewed a pair of just this sort of flat pockets into the lower part of the openings, so they hang down *inside* the hoops. There are corresponding pocket slits in the outer gown. Very practical to keep a bulky wallet, keys and checkbook in, and they don't show at all -- but I don't have any historical justification for it, just practicality.) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 15:36:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FJaapE012576 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FJaVTl011821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FJUrJC091401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FJUqwv002208; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4FJUnsa001978 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15328 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2008 19:30:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b85N6hwVM1lVvzO.AtHxLjua5dw90JaHNBnXWp7jdsiwXu99WurkX0vk2kxek.IjUgRKqQ6efTlSDetUKziEKqbUmvEYmRNXYJoosGGeVMasMQrTaQAauI2fvQKDWK68rHYbVsYOKLhITlfMu4scDr69m7ABMPha.Cw- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <793416.14290.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af22ba14-4171-49dd-b86f-25798db2be7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C90BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Replying to a couple of emails. Thank you to whomever found the photo at Museo de Traje (can't find that email at the moment). I'm adding it to my collection. :) Susan Farmer wrote: > A lady in the SCA has her research (and the snippets from a couple of > the paintings) here > http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat's%20Soccaccia.html Yes, I saw this link posted earlier. Unfortunately, she says "this is so" without citing where she may have read it or why she came to such a conclusion. But I love these pictures, because they do predate the 1700s, and the "pouches" do so much resemble 18th century pockets in shape and style. I wanted to see the whole paintings, and fortunately Kimiko uploaded scans: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/ModaFirenze/index.html She quoted a bit of what _Moda a Firenze_ had to say about these pocket-pouches, which the above website appears also to be quoting, and when I have a chance I'll have to crack open my copy and read up on it myself. Exstock wrote: > As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I > make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how > different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! I couldn't agree with you more! I don't know why 18th century tie-on pockets are called "pockets" at all and not pouches, but "pocket" is a documentably period term. Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 16:09:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FK9YOA013921 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FK9SaU026924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FJwdVK093961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FJwbde034339; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1e.socket.net [216.106.88.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FJwYPl034271 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C4E573B7B5 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:58:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5754136.1210877774995.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1c8bdb8-8940-44a0-9702-f58eb7823cbc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482C9878.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This just hit my brain. Looking at http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat%27s%20Soccaccia.html the second picture, it looks as if the pocket might have been made from what was originally the slit in an outer garment for reaching in for the pouch or pocket. That the triangle pieces may have been the tops of gores. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 16:27:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FKResC014829 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:27:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FKRY07004101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FKRJFR096382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKRIAq067290; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKRF4d067206 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so486732fkk.15 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.68.6 with SMTP id v6mr1742221mkk.124.1210883235102; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.52.13 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0805151327n1166cfc4i2b142b50508f0956@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:27:15 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <16a2233a0805120822q7afdb6e1i88b5abe65d58078c@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e9d7921-b744-4565-8b3f-9fb5ddb60499 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482C9CB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 16:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Betsy Marshall wrote: > So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more > silk thread? > Just Curious! Betsy > In my case, new needles. The type, size and brand of needle also makes a difference. Your dealer should know which ones are better with what kind of thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 16:29:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FKT4N3014882 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:29:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FKSwKr009430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FKSa6i096461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKSaAR068850; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKSWPj068763 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so232385nfb.41 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.38.20 with SMTP id q20mr1743604mkj.37.1210883311641; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.52.13 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0805151328o55eaea59r2a943be562de3c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:28:31 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0805151327n1166cfc4i2b142b50508f0956@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <674184e90805100210v5281a88crbd0e3d2fcd5b4947@mail.gmail.com> <855909cfa180c7d7d5fd509639e4d763@ntw.net> <48263BF4.1040306@reddawn.net> <16a2233a0805120822q7afdb6e1i88b5abe65d58078c@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0805151327n1166cfc4i2b142b50508f0956@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d172341-287b-401e-8407-0ef60d713f90 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482C9D0A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 16:29:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more >> silk thread? >> Just Curious! Betsy Sorry I hit send too soon. I wanted to say I didn't use silk thread, but I was using very fine synthetic thread (my brain wants me to say rayon but it might have been nylon). It kept shredding and being generally very annoying, until I changed my needle. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 16:56:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FKuXag015940 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FKuRjT027350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FKtqSC098842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKtpIw099684; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FKtoM6099644 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so407419pyc.4 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.44.16 with SMTP id w16mr5057291pyj.36.1210884949681; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f10sm9773514pyh.6.2008.05.15.13.55.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 May 2008 13:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C77914690024FE4AE1453F2D517C21D@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <793416.14290.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4110cfa7-e186-4045-a0c4-2308f3233085 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482CA37B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Hee, thanks! Hey, after almost 11 years of marriage, I still haven't gotten over being amused by my own last name. (And it gets even better--the husband just became a PhD candidate, so in 3-5 years I'll be married to Dr. House. One of my favorite TV shows!) -the future Mrs. Dr. House... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 17:32:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FLWUeq017535 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FLWNgm005646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FLVuTi002194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 15:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FLVsOI037634; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FLVn3M037534 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64A0C0408 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2v4DAXno76vF for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from user4712b7d135 (ppp-94.47.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.47.94]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 71239C03CB for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c8b6d3$130d69e0$9778fea9@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4d4fed5-3021-4c01-9a2e-b507541381d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482CABE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.0 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena Dyer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes > Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? > Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer I've heard good things about Robert Land http://www.robertlandhistoricshoes.com/servlet/StoreFront from the 1860s American Civil War crowd. From the little bit of research I've done 1840s shoes (at least for women, I haven't looked at mens shoes) were not hugely different in style to the 1860s so you might try asking him if he would do something a little earlier. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]grapevine.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 18:16:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4FMGCux019575 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4FMG7nN023983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4FMFqZ1006044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4FMFqs1082543; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4FMFlue082396 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80341 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2008 22:15:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zstR3n4VM1nQjETH3SS7fyAdg3H2aBcEW75u1C_Of05eNsdVB6m0e2EE2G7qUjVKTA-- Received: from [69.230.26.181] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:15:42 PDT Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <793416.14290.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <478550.79294.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bec88a6c-c313-49a9-bc3a-255a9104d8c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482CB627.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 18:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm a bit behind in my emails, but I hope those images of the loose pockets help. The book doesn't state much beyond what I posted, tho I haven't read it all yet, so I may have missed a comment elsewhere in the book. The earliest I've found comments on 16th century pockets in general were from the trial of Anne Boleyn, when one of her supposed lovers Wyatt claimed that Anne had given him a jewel (or something) from her pocket. What the pocket looked like or how it was accessed, I do not know. The story was mentioned briefly in the book Dress in the Court of King Henry VIII, but the author did not go into any details on pockets (much to my surprise). Doing a quick google search, Jstor has the article that mentions the Anne Boleyn story, but I don't have access to those articles. The Fall of Anne Boleyn G. W. Bernard http://www.jstor.org/pss/573258 Also, there is an image of an attached pocket on a man's jacket skirt in the Mary Rose book (name escapes me, but the one that has all the extant items in it). I think I've wandered a different direction on pockets, so I will end here. Kimiko --- cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com wrote: > But I love these pictures, because they do predate > the 1700s, and the "pouches" do so much resemble > 18th century pockets in shape and style. I wanted to > see the whole paintings, and fortunately Kimiko > uploaded scans: > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/ModaFirenze/index.html > She quoted a bit of what _Moda a Firenze_ had to say > about these pocket-pouches, which the above website > appears also to be quoting, and when I have a chance > I'll have to crack open my copy and read up on it > myself. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 20:23:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4G0NHsw025884 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4G0NCAf029761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4G0MoNI015519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 18:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G0Mm0d093057; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G0Mj4j092954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 18:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=60202 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JwniZ-0001v1-AP for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:22:39 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 May 2008 19:22:32 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <793416.14290.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4C77914690024FE4AE1453F2D517C21D@compaqub> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:22:22 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <8959AAC6F4944B7B96A556D2DFF9E413@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: <4C77914690024FE4AE1453F2D517C21D@compaqub> thread-index: Aci2zl4zsZ5gRLdcRYqquGBzCRFj9QAHHpVQ X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 566da1c0-212c-497c-ac29-7961cfe7e0c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482CD3F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 20:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hope he's easier to live with than that TV guy... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Exstock Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction ----- Original Message ----- From: > Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Hee, thanks! Hey, after almost 11 years of marriage, I still haven't gotten over being amused by my own last name. (And it gets even better--the husband just became a PhD candidate, so in 3-5 years I'll be married to Dr. House. One of my favorite TV shows!) -the future Mrs. Dr. House... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 15 22:44:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4G2ifOK032066 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4G2iaCY002950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4G2iNwB025038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 May 2008 20:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G2iLIu008105; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G2iI8h008058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.56] (core-dc-1-56.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4G2iCBn014297 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <712499.9175.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <712499.9175.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <21C0EAE1-FF49-4833-AE45-E5E45EAFB340@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:10 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2cc7d4c-81b2-454f-8f26-203e65e40ccc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482CF514.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On May 15, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Bambi TBNL wrote: > Well actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails = > and the yarn got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again = > and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting = > "loom" is sort of like that concept with the lay the yarn out nd = > loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? > but they come in a few different forms... > Bambi You're talking about a peg frame, which is not like a modern = home knitting machine and not like the knitting frame invented by = Reverend Lee in 1589. The terms can be confusing =97 Lee's machine was called a = knitting frame, a hand frame and a stocking loom among other things. There are peg frames from the late 18th century, purse moulds, = that were used to make small purses. Peg frame enthusiasts will = sometimes cite the terms for the Lee frame as being proof of the use = of peg frames, but it is not the same thing. Lee's machine was really quite complex. It would knit an = entire row at once (in a series of steps), whereas modern latch hook = machines (both domestic and industrial) knit as the carriage goes = across, essentially knitting one stitch after another. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 04:04:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4G84ULR003213 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 04:04:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4G84IdJ005160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 04:04:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4G83wgT040216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 02:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G83uOZ045862; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G83rbn045820 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1Jwuut2mM7-0003CF; Fri, 16 May 2008 04:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:02:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gy//nc5v979fvcJU4cw/rvuXQSuJNCDxGrPh dHAiSGyy0+zypNRU0GXmRApmHEaPIDk+J7qYl3cKEOpwBFcjbX mlm1ChcTx+eVz0BPwOuTA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a12a200e-61b2-43ba-b402-52b32608c3de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482D4002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 04:04:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 04:08:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4G88fjT003767 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4G88agU014312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4G88MMw040451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G88M9n049568; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4G88HEJ049446 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m4G88B327786.; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:10 +0100 Message-Id: <482D4EF302000014000E9F14@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:03 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74da3990-f464-40aa-883d-9d9dceede70c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482D4104.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bambi wrote: >WEll actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn got looped over the nail and then >you wrapped again and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting "loom" is sort of like that >concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? >but they come in a few different forms... >Bambi I think you mean "French knitting". I'be never done it myself but I remember other children doing it in the 1950s. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 07:13:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GBDK8P003425 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:13:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GBDB8M017427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:13:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GBCkcF050525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 05:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GBChM4016266; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GBCd0V016080 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) X-Trace: 116920973/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/81.86.114.151 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 81.86.114.151 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgAAN4ILUhRVnKX/2dsb2JhbAAIrjw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,497,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="116920973" X-IP-Direction: OUT Received: from 81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com (HELO [192.168.0.2]) ([81.86.114.151]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 May 2008 12:12:32 +0100 Message-ID: <482D6C1B.1020308@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:12:27 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ce33afe-cae6-43c2-a8a6-5359e9edcac4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482D6C47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 07:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not clever enough to know the answer, only that it is not one of the types of lace that I make myself. However, there are lots of experts at the Arachne list If you prefer, I'll be happy to pass on your enquiry to them, and forward replies to you. Linda Walton (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). Penny Ladnier wrote: > Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: > http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 08:28:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GCShwb009282 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:28:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GCSZXP022166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:28:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GCS6fR055385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 06:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCS4K6091818; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCS3ix091728 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so150591rvb.11 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.71.8 with SMTP id y8mr1770566rvk.32.1210940880082; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660805160528o4c3a3d8alee3e16eba93b16c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:28:00 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80b823c3-44fb-4c5e-8686-a060a0949e7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482D7DF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 08:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It looks to me like Battenburg lace. At work... that's all I can think of without my books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 08:46:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GCkEXv010088 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:46:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GCk3iG003942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:46:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GCjYhQ056646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 06:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCjYYb011304; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCjV7W011242 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080516124530.BKZY26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 14:45:30 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.221]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080516124530.RBDY6737.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 14:45:30 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c8b752$b8c700b0$dd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> <3586f5070805160541k5906f69bv348c1781aa90a8f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:45:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.221] at Fri, 16 May 2008 14:45:29 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ef1a2b6-a12c-4c14-8585-5761c395947e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482D820B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 08:46:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Excactly what i would say, i also looked in Pat Earnshaws book, but there was none like this. But i think you are quite right with this! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help > It looks like Irish crochet, most likely imitating gros point de > Venise needle lace or the like. > > Beyond Pat Earnshaw's books, which are great for finer earlier laces > but not more modern cheaper laces, a book I find easy to use for quick > lace id is: > > "Guide to Lace and Linens, by Elizabeth M. Kurella isbn 0-930625-89-7 > > Katy > > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Penny Ladnier > wrote: >> Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa >> 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: >> http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg >> >> Penny Ladnier, >> Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >> www.costumegallery.com >> www.costumelibrary.com >> www.costumeclassroom.com >> www.costumeslideshows.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 08:47:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GCl9Rf010147 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GCl2dJ002188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:47:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GCfqQO056412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 06:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCfqja006940; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GCfph2006919 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so239490ana.65 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr4416098anh.158.1210941710903; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 05:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070805160541k5906f69bv348c1781aa90a8f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:50 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ed83c71-41b5-41a7-8ac8-b73a09054a43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482D8246.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 08:47:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It looks like Irish crochet, most likely imitating gros point de Venise needle lace or the like. Beyond Pat Earnshaw's books, which are great for finer earlier laces but not more modern cheaper laces, a book I find easy to use for quick lace id is: "Guide to Lace and Linens, by Elizabeth M. Kurella isbn 0-930625-89-7 Katy On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: > http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 09:04:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GD4R5O011066 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GD4Hj1031751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GD3veT057906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 07:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GD3urR031521; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GD3twt031494 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so408156wri.8 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.9 with SMTP id o9mr4491771ane.120.1210943034718; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.196.5 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:03:54 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8b72b$278df2b0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36797145-6e2b-428e-b643-a5716d9e0500 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482D8651.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is Irish Crochet. I recognize the motifs (and if I had some time I could probably find the patterns for them). Onaree On 5/16/08, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa > 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: > http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 09:56:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GDuEWA013681 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:56:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GDu7bP015910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GDtfF6062086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 07:55:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GDtdCs089556; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GDtao5089486 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080516135535.QHU23927.fep52.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:35 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.221]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080516135535.NUJV19524.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c8b75c$82eb6bc0$dd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.221] at Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:34 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9de0f5f3-e584-40bd-be7c-3e633dd98bcf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482D9277.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 09:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 11:17:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GFHHrd018177 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GFH3B2009657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GFGUOI069016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 09:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GFGRr5085132; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GFGOwS084946 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4GFFpQl007595 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:16:18 GMT Message-ID: <001101c8b767$c4c6b350$4021c446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:15:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1eb5b46-2303-4f83-afcd-bb7640937810 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 482DA570.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg I'm not a lace expert, but I do have a Lace Dictionary published in 1913. I went through the whole book, and the closest I could match it to was Crochet Lace, also known as Irish Lace, raised Rose point, Point de Trico or Honiton crochet "to indicate the character of the design more than the technique." There is more to the entry if anyone is interested. There is a photo of the crochet lace at: http://www.mantua-maker.com/id24.html (or, if my sitebuilder gets repaired, at: http://www.mantua-maker.com/crochet_lace_photo.html) Click on the photo for a larger view. If anybody has a better guess, I'll look up the entry and post it, too. Regards, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 11:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GFJO5N018284 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GFJHDv016358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GFIvhu069263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GFIuv3088269; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4GFIs7w088102 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEC5KN6APQHG3A for (sender ); Fri, 16 May 2008 08:17:48 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn717RTcck2/LRW4RkZtcPwGx7/+suhZZ8jw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NKBTYVUM; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:17:37 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:17:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:17:06 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080516.101706.3792.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3243281077 X-MAIL-INFO: 29c76b938beaea6bc79e1ec7aea3cffa634aaedf73275ecaab937397cb93f36b73fa8b474a932fca5f03f3ae1ee74b3ee33e2e839b2e833f87833f1ee78e7afeefb3477a03eb9fb32b03f7bf7f030e1f674bda4b435a3fa7834b87aff36ab7934f1793171e4f179e0b9b1a9f13df7edf073a63733ad3ababcb73d7faf3b7c37f3a6a936f1e734f8f8f4e1f0e4f6a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f51fd26a-8625-42ff-9c54-7cc8918df48f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482DA5F5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 11:19:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Boost your productivity with new office software. 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It was >particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >question. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" wrote: > I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait > and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm > I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is > Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the > king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a > gift from the queen. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Boost your productivity with new office software. 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off >base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can >see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to >wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was >particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >question. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" wrote: > I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait > and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm > I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is > Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the > king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a > gift from the queen. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Boost your productivity with new office software. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 12:07:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you hadnt told me, i would never have guessed because i was so sure about the S and Queen Sofie. I also noted that the same thing occurs round her neck in the smaller jewellry. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress > No need to apologize, I'm just a fresh set of eyes looking at it. I'm sure > you would have realized it eventually. I can't wait to see the finished > product! (But I'll make do with the interesting 'in progress' postings in > the mean time.) > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" wrote: > Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, > Thanks for the informations.. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress > > >>I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off >>base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can >>see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to >>wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was >>particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >>England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >>Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >>wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >>question. >> >> Karen >> Seamstrix >> >> -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" wrote: >> I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait >> and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm >> I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is >> Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the >> king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a >> gift from the queen. >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Boost your productivity with new office software. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 13:56:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Marie Stewart wrote: > Widows would usually wear mourning until a second > marriage, or for the > rest of their lives. One way that a widow could > signal a willingness > to marry was to put off the black. Although it was > socially expected > that even a young woman would wear mourning for a > husband for at least > two years, one year of deepest mourning and at least > one year of > secondary. (and here I might be slipping into > Victorian custom, so > I'll stop.) > Yes, I think you are. That doesn't sound Elizabethan to me. What I was just reading recently indicates that a month (a period called a "month's mind") was considered entirely appropriate for mourning a spouse. Men and women both were expected to remarry, especially if there were children involved. This is from David Cressy's Birth, Marriage, and Death: Ritual, Religion, and the Life-Cycle in Tudor and Stuart England, Oxford University Press, 1997. MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 18:26:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GMQZeB008713 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:26:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GMQTpo025785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:26:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GMQ0FS020080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 16:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GMPwXT026726; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from swiftsure.concentric.com (swiftsure.concentric.com [207.155.252.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GMPtvT026669 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by swiftsure.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id E6A94153A9; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:25:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080516222554.E6A94153A9@swiftsure.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Lace ID Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7c5cce8-ce7b-4b6c-b1b2-434dd754af8d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482E0A15.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 16 19:08:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4GN8r0r009799 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4GN8mdF006984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GN8UJK023150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GN8P4p011139; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4GN8LtF011012 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfb.37953f20 (65098) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e0276a1-95e2-43b0-9f0e-2e76fdabcd83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 482E1400.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 5/14/2008 11:05:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > But right now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more > outfits than making stockings for other people. It's really hard > trying to get some sewing done with a retired husband around. Every > time I want to go in my sewing room, he thinks of some other work > I should be doing instead. If he's recently retired, sounds like he needs to find his own work he should be doing. I take it he was in management? :-D I hate to suggest he might like the knitting machines, because then you still might not get to work with them yourself. -Carol Actually he was a police officer, retired as a Detective on the force. That's where he gets his "in charge" personality from. Also he's a workaholic. Work before play he always says and there's always work to do around the house. When it comes to something the kids need though, he doesn't say anything about my sewing. Right now my daughter, who has her own house, wants me to make curtains for her bedroom. I just finished altering a Batman cape for my son. He's 28 and is a paramedic but he still loves his toys. He paid $1500 for this custom made costume. At that price it should have been perfect. I figure if I spend 1 day a week sewing on my garb and spend the evenings doing the hand sewing I should be able to get away without him complaining to me about it. Chris P. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 05:12:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4H9CvZe001645 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:12:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4H9CqWZ013836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4H9CMA9055971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 03:12:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4H9CHi2096120; Sat, 17 May 2008 03:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4H9CCX1095974 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 03:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m4H9C5r11149.; Sat, 17 May 2008 10:12:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 17 May 2008 10:12:05 +0100 Message-Id: <482EAF6102000014000EA005@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:11:44 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cc78ecd-36a7-4e3f-8127-644159f7605a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482EA194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 May 2008 05:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ------------------------------ Karen wrote: >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look >closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was >common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in >the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as >being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of >significant people is not out of the question. That's interesting. My living history persona is the widow of a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal in the 1640s. I've wondered about wearing a cross, but decided against it as I felt that it would have been considered "too Papist" at the time. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 08:11:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4HCBjOB028575 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 08:11:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4HCBd6x018660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 08:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4HCB1iM071250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 06:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4HCB0UA026022; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4HCAuM9025895 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEC7U26AX85G2A for (sender ); Sat, 17 May 2008 05:10:04 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zsfedvCDIXGqaLgaXxG+VL8ExZ1shh+fg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NKD3MAS2; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:09:35 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:08:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:08:50 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080517.070850.775.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3583626433 X-MAIL-INFO: 477d301530191185191174341174b06561fda404311dfd402d0131ed40bdddb440c445547d3d7d41b5745d117d3460e4e191e00070e0f0700070498d854d01b981d981148495ad840dd5d5e9ad2410e49120b484e1e0d4b0ad0089892145c400e1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b48f4261-c0fe-44e6-ab74-ab0aac5718c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482ECB7B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 May 2008 08:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know if the fashion lasted as late as 1640. I know that it was current from approximately 1530 (there's a painting of Jane Seymour where she is wearing a jeweled IHS brooch) thru the late Elizabethan/Jacobean. I'd take a look at period portraiture and check thru some inventories to see if they were stll doing it pre-Civil War. Karen Seamstrix -- "Kate M Bunting" wrote: ------------------------------ Karen wrote: >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look >closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was >common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in >the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as >being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of >significant people is not out of the question. That's interesting. My living history persona is the widow of a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal in the 1640s. I've wondered about wearing a cross, but decided against it as I felt that it would have been considered "too Papist" at the time. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m5biSnFOGJB5PIo4qNcO0P0DotYHDPQY3vuXiwogLeUgdFm/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 09:44:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4HDieqA001147 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 09:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4HDiZAD024348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 09:44:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4HDi95K079435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 07:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4HDi7hl019890; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4HDi4O8019766 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K10001ALM53HKF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 May 2008 09:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:43:48 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <482EAF6102000014000EA005@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 644b3d91-1ac0-42ab-b111-219041d2eace X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482EE143.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 May 2008 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Henry VIII considered himself a good Catholic til the day he died, even though the Pope did not. :-) There are lots of examples of people wearing crosses in that period -- check out those done by Holbein. As for the later period... maybe. Charles I was notoriously sympathetic to Catholics because of Henrietta Maria, his wife. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:12 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress ------------------------------ Karen wrote: >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look >closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was >common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in >the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as >being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of >significant people is not out of the question. That's interesting. My living history persona is the widow of a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal in the 1640s. I've wondered about wearing a cross, but decided against it as I felt that it would have been considered "too Papist" at the time. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 10:04:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4HE4xC2002288 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 10:04:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4HE4s5i028759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 10:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4HE4dlo081105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 08:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4HE4dJs037147; Sat, 17 May 2008 08:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4HE4amm037036 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 08:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Sdey1Z00C16AWCUA204J00; Sat, 17 May 2008 14:04:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Se4V1Z007047Ly08S00000; Sat, 17 May 2008 14:04:30 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=THlu4uoYivjLULi_MPYA:9 a=JjEUaUAJl7Gyl24_iGAWG7Ql-4oA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=3YfOVmsgUGJpo77fOL0A:9 a=TgZCSHv2J1RMCi_SsZoA:7 a=WH2fPlzfpw1e-PB9JWdnvhHvTGoA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: <9772CA57-26E5-487A-A639-1C39ED8913E9@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:04:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Reference question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79c66a7d-a694-4e3b-bb5a-73b2de19c6d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 482EE606.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I can download it from the networked (online) resources of the Harvard Library, but I thought it possible someone had reprinted it. Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 23:13:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4I3DcbF014484 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 23:13:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4I3DXcA009638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 23:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4I3DA0K043015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4I3D7Ii001029; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4I3D5fU000944 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEC9HV7ATMT5VJ for (sender ); Sat, 17 May 2008 20:11:57 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zsfedvCDIXGXP5TXieCCuNQ6e7gLw3+Rg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NKFN8D2P; Sat, 17 May 2008 20:11:18 PDT Received: from [99.151.168.225] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:10:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [99.151.168.225] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:10:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080517.221039.10051.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Disposition: inline X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2434537129 X-MAIL-INFO: 5cd99569551c6ce958ccfc6c652531cc6d659d21d5650029190cd10cbde1b84cf90c397c71b561c9c1f1c94df1c1f115e82c5c31b9a8eda83518d9481828adadf848ecd87161c8d518b5c97d6948c12d2d010100c1b5e9f5bcc9e84c4d0dcc78e56c09e15dd508e5ac6c6518e508e900cc7ce50100e98d8d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9b5e8f1-4b37-476d-8aed-abc208ecbe36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 482F9EDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 May 2008 23:13:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, I did say "Papist' not 'Catholic'- I do realize that there's a difference. Henry continued to consider himself a good Catholic while denouncing the 'Bishop of Rome'. I also said 'crucifix' not 'cross'- once again there's a distinction. A cross is bare while a crucifix has the dead guy on it. Karen Seamstrix -- monica spence wrote: Henry VIII considered himself a good Catholic til the day he died, even though the Pope did not. :-) There are lots of examples of people wearing crosses in that period -- check out those done by Holbein. As for the later period... maybe. Charles I was notoriously sympathetic to Catholics because of Henrietta Maria, his wife. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:12 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress ------------------------------ Karen wrote: >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look >closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was >common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in >the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as >being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of >significant people is not out of the question. That's interesting. My living history persona is the widow of a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal in the 1640s. I've wondered about wearing a cross, but decided against it as I felt that it would have been considered "too Papist" at the time. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Click here to discover unbeatable cruise deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nL6YvWr1H4xylvcy1uVdWcYDhMgi3CdhkjMIUOhgOkYI0pS/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 17 23:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4I3HeSE014657 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 23:17:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4I3HVSP016261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 23:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4I3G1Bn043148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 May 2008 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4I3G1i8002742; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4I3FvUM002634 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.232.211]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1100GW9NPOH89E@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 May 2008 22:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:15:50 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <482F9F66.1040409@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0158c327-7a53-4d0a-8cfd-92b4d9a731c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482F9FCB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 May 2008 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OK, I admit it - I know a fairly bare minimum about this period. Generic Victorian upper and lower, and "generic" Edwardian upper/lower both highly corsetted and moving towards flapper wear. But - I've been asked to teach my 4th graders part of their social studies unit for the quarter (I teach Library Media - not social studies), and while history is enough of a interest for me to be able to cover what I *need* to, I realized that clothing had been left out of the unit... and since I'm changing the unit a bit anyway... well, my thought was that the clothing changes between 1890 and 1910 show a heck of a lot about how people both worked and played *and* how many beliefs were rapidly changing... so I'd *love* to include a few pictures that I could show in a PowerPoint, fading from one to another. I've got the same set up for a few pictures (yes, don't worry, well within the "Fair Use" range of copyright rules) of Baltimore from "now" back to "then"... and vice versa... but I have nothing with *people*, beyond one shepherd in Druid Hill Park... and he's not really all that distinctive, y'know? Anyone able to point me to just a few pictures I can use? I'm hoping for male and female, child and adult... from those three general clothing types... well, four really, if I consider general lower working class in there as well. Sigh... this is what I get for coming up with "intersesting" ideas at the last moment, I guess... -Liz (gotta hit a library again tomorrow... and just my luck, my preferred one is across the street from a very crowded Wine Festival... which means little to no parking available...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 03:56:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4I7ukJp028318 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 03:56:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4I7uf5B021901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 03:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4I7uAgP057270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 01:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4I7u7Sw065293; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4I7u4no065259 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0804730312; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:53:36 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <482F9F66.1040409@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 00:55:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8b8bc$98a43580$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aci4lTpuo5GgrDjRRCWEhSY1hJsOXQAJsCmQ In-Reply-To: <482F9F66.1040409@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 052c2de5-ccf0-4b58-83f0-9525fc972a82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 482FE139.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Boys/men's clothes, too, (plus, it's a cool movie).Of course, the big change came about during/after the first world war. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cozit / Liz Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. OK, I admit it - I know a fairly bare minimum about this period. Generic Victorian upper and lower, and "generic" Edwardian upper/lower both highly corsetted and moving towards flapper wear. But - I've been asked to teach my 4th graders part of their social studies unit for the quarter (I teach Library Media - not social studies), and while history is enough of a interest for me to be able to cover what I *need* to, I realized that clothing had been left out of the unit... and since I'm changing the unit a bit anyway... well, my thought was that the clothing changes between 1890 and 1910 show a heck of a lot about how people both worked and played *and* how many beliefs were rapidly changing... so I'd *love* to include a few pictures that I could show in a PowerPoint, fading from one to another. I've got the same set up for a few pictures (yes, don't worry, well within the "Fair Use" range of copyright rules) of Baltimore from "now" back to "then"... and vice versa... but I have nothing with *people*, beyond one shepherd in Druid Hill Park... and he's not really all that distinctive, y'know? Anyone able to point me to just a few pictures I can use? I'm hoping for male and female, child and adult... from those three general clothing types... well, four really, if I consider general lower working class in there as well. Sigh... this is what I get for coming up with "intersesting" ideas at the last moment, I guess... -Liz (gotta hit a library again tomorrow... and just my luck, my preferred one is across the street from a very crowded Wine Festival... which means little to no parking available...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 12:18:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4IGImOs001963 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:18:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4IGIhh8025671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4IGDIXw095095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 10:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IGDGX2048083; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4IGDCRF047951 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55358 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 16:13:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bY.87hQVM1lJlVC_.kCqGH3crPojOMyJbZrkZ1nQL82VK2FPL68tLMomLqsFKYBypELyH6fucqEm3SdtwdMTY3y2pb1yE3nbtmAEFA-- Received: from [69.182.241.214] by web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:13:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <636128.54443.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad951007-b6e6-489d-9f4a-babf9e85d318 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 483056E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 12:18:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've got a pleater foot, and very useful it is. Does anyone know where I might find out how early pleater feet are? The earliest I've got is directions for its use in a reprint of a c.1930 Singer Featherweight manual. Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 12:23:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4IGNhJU002438 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4IGNcUE028329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4IGNQ32096119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IGNQmX056207; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IGNOI0056131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2293 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JxlfK-00048d-LR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:23:19 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080518172020.0388a660@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:23:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <636128.54443.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> <636128.54443.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3212eb44-fc44-435d-9ceb-6b53b4910b2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4830580A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:13 18/05/2008, you wrote: >I've got a pleater foot, and very useful it is. > >Does anyone know where I might find out how early pleater feet are? > >The earliest I've got is directions for its use in a reprint of a >c.1930 Singer Featherweight manual. > > >Ann in CT As mechanical pleating machines were available in the Victorian era - think of all those layers of pleats in the 1870's - I would have thought that pleating feet were an early addition to machines. But that is pure assumption - no evidence at all. I too have pleating feet for my Singer, with photos of them to explain how they work, but unfortunately the photos are not dateable. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 13:26:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4IHQiMG006621 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:26:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4IHQdmx012198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:26:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4IHQLgM001216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 11:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IHQKg7006573; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IHQIU6006562 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1220857pyc.4 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.38.17 with SMTP id q17mr10205421pyj.18.1211131578150; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm23258054pyh.24.2008.05.18.10.26.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 May 2008 10:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <482F9F66.1040409@verizon.net> <000001c8b8bc$98a43580$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7e8a9af-b58c-4f25-96fe-ab074199f032 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483066CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 13:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And though I haven't really looked at their copyright rules too much, there's a ton of photos from that era at the Library of Congress's American Memory website: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 18:33:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4IMXMJN026927 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 18:33:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4IMXHhI014336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 18:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4IMX0RU022732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 16:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IMWv5k038041; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IMWsNN037953 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.232.211]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1300C0D5ABGID7@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 17:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:33:08 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4830AEA4.2070408@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8464ff33-6066-4731-ae62-8ced2551e14c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4830AEAD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you all!!!! -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 22:06:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4J26EUD006724 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:06:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4J268jj019113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:06:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4J25k3q035227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 20:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J25iBa077622; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J25f48077598 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1338480pyc.4 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.70.17 with SMTP id x17mr10807726pyk.12.1211162741508; Sun, 18 May 2008 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n29sm8934241pyh.32.2008.05.18.19.05.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 May 2008 19:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7474AD06C11B4D49AB286180F0A7B5CB@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4830AEA4.2070408@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ea7dee2-4551-4fd8-84aa-9530e42f3df0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4830E090.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cozit / Liz" > Of *course*!!! Why didn't I think of the Library of Congress??? Thanks > E House! Hee. I only thought of it because I was actively looking at it at the same time as I was reading h-cost! I also forget it far too often. -E(lena) House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 22:54:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4J2sHWm010504 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:54:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4J2sBL0032659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4J2rsiN037873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 20:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J2rr6h008325; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J2ro6a008291 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JxvVU3PYn-0003E0; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c8b95b$58fb5d10$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <482F9F66.1040409@verizon.net> <000001c8b8bc$98a43580$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:52:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FC0cmV6bArBxOrTq1dNKOxN+yxmuj0sPzTQW NdLUIDmUSY+YFmc6KLoeq40pMYFxpr9RGL+jIFKhauaZNfArGX wVYhXROYEfvdqAKHtKRcA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc294959-1ff7-45bc-b92b-e6dbc1436efd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4830EBD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 22:54:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Music Man is set in 1912. The clothing reflects that. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 23:15:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4J3FdAo011848 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 23:15:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4J3FYYk018899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4J3FKIk039087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 21:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J3FJMJ022302; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J3FGx0022199 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JxvqA-0006As-Sq for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 23:15:11 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080518081942.032f7a90@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:20:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <20080517.221039.10051.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> References: <20080517.221039.10051.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e536b18a26d5f1c9fdadd96320f37346c261b2a166a9b4020f3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9373a558-810b-448e-9613-14f8468df1a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4830F0D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 23:15:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 10:10 PM 5/17/2008, you wrote: >Well, I did say "Papist' not 'Catholic'- I do realize that there's a >difference. Henry continued to consider himself a good Catholic >while denouncing the 'Bishop of Rome'. > >I also said 'crucifix' not 'cross'- once again there's a >distinction. A cross is bare while a crucifix has the dead guy on it. Please, the proper term is "corpus", not dead guy. You don't have to believe to be respectful. Pierre >Karen >Seamstrix > >-- monica spence wrote: > >Henry VIII considered himself a good Catholic til the day he died, even >though the Pope did not. :-) There are lots of examples of people wearing >crosses in that period -- check out those done by Holbein. > >As for the later period... maybe. Charles I was notoriously sympathetic to >Catholics because of Henrietta Maria, his wife. >Monica "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 18 23:16:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4J3Gxls011916 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 23:16:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4J3Gq3Q019400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 23:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4J3GVYP039162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 May 2008 21:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J3GVAC023089; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J3GSTn023057 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so776069tid.3 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.54.1 with SMTP id c1mr5854108yba.64.1211166986209; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [71.192.114.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm6542346ywo.7.2008.05.18.20.16.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 May 2008 20:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01c8b95e$ba291ca0$6401a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub><636128.54443.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080518172020.0388a660@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:16:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e76d1a6-3dba-4473-a0c1-69d4c8d4c6af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4830F124.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 May 2008 23:16:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Never mind the 1870's.....how about the 1500's.... *shudders* and I'll probably do it again... Brangwyne > At 17:13 18/05/2008, you wrote: >>I've got a pleater foot, and very useful it is. >> >>Does anyone know where I might find out how early pleater feet are? >> >>The earliest I've got is directions for its use in a reprint of a >>c.1930 Singer Featherweight manual. >> >> >>Ann in CT > > > As mechanical pleating machines were available in the Victorian era - > think of all those layers of pleats in the 1870's - I would have > thought that pleating feet were an early addition to machines. But > that is pure assumption - no evidence at all. I too have pleating > feet for my Singer, with photos of them to explain how they work, but > unfortunately the photos are not dateable. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 05:35:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4J9ZgkY005098 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 05:35:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4J9Z0rx008225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 05:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4J9YZdh058178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 03:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J9YXGm020643; Mon, 19 May 2008 03:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4J9YSYY020484 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 03:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m4J9YIH24882.; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:34:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:34:18 +0100 Message-Id: <483157A302000014000EA08D@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:34:11 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Religious symbols in jewellery, was Renaissance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4902d82-63f9-42ab-b984-53fd2f4d0b6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 483149C4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 05:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Monica wrote: >As for the later period... maybe. Charles I was notoriously sympathetic to >Catholics because of Henrietta Maria, his wife. Yes, but he was emphatically not one himself. Supporters of Archbishop Laud's policies in the Church of England were accused by the Puritans of being "Papist", but would have been at pains to stress that they were actually good Protestants. I don't remember a cross being a common item of jewellery in mid-17th century portraits. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 07:57:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JBvdDd028707 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:57:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JBvTnv010024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JBv9xW066353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 05:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JBv886046978; Mon, 19 May 2008 05:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4JBv43J046823 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 05:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58573 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2008 11:56:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 23m2VKUVM1lVOHD68hYu_xuHNUtkOGCjKCtW5Rk_zXLar7eJvZuQlWdyZOG1enNJyw-- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 04:56:58 PDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <174148.57718.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothing from 1890-1910 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72f48e66-2cc9-4abc-92f4-f041607862c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48316B29.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 07:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am really interesting in that time period as well, particularly from 1910-1920 also. I think that was the Gibson Girl era, Directoire, and the Reform clothing was really cool. The transition of dress to the flapper era is really cool. Recently I saw a movie -- Iron Jawed Angels (I think that is what was called). It was about the newer generatiion of suffragettes, they went on hunger strikes after being imprisoned in a woman's workhouse for demonstrating (basically holding up signs outside the White House) during war time--"Obstructing Traffic". It's On Demand on HBO. Hillary Swank and Frances O'Conner were in it. The ladies in the movie don't have their hair bobbed until after they are released from incarceration and I believe that was more of a function of ridding themselves of lice in collision with the new idea of bobbed hair. Alice Paul and Lucy Burns- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Jawed_Angels What is interesting in the movie is that Alice Paul wears some reform clothing in it. I don't know how accurate the costume is in this as I am not a scholar of historical costume, just love it . Perhaps you can get some screen shots. the hemlines start going up during the war. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 10:53:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JErPlh005026 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:53:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JErGAP019829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:53:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JEr0P3081591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 08:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JEqvvb056550; Mon, 19 May 2008 08:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JEqjgm056125 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 08:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:29 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03220915@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <174148.57718.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT obstructing traffic - was clothing from 1890-1910 Thread-Index: Aci5p8a+gs48aECGQvSgkXRypP7+RQAGCV1Q References: <174148.57718.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 14:54:29.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D750E00:01C8B9C0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT obstructing traffic - was clothing from 1890-1910 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a5df62b-b4aa-46e8-ac04-3926fbf562e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4831945C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 10:53:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Things don't change much - I had a friend who was arrested at the 1968 Democratic National Convention for Obstruction Traffic. Patty signs outside the White House) during war time--"Obstructing Traffic". It's On Demand on HBO. Hillary Swank and Frances O'Conner were in it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 14:22:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JIM2mk014557 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JILQwi022546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JIIYpi007392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 12:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JIIVbx064539; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JIIRxl064289 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bc0.313f1cc5 (37544) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Webmail-mg10 (webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.158]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB025-92a84831c4693cb; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:17 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:17 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.242.128.195 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD Received: from 69.242.128.195 by Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.158) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA87F3D822F48C-A88-EB2@Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Costumed tableware X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 024c4399-2f4d-43b9-a0a6-a55fb8023643 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4831C526.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 14:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone, I found this artist who makes ceramic tableware with drawings of people in historical costume on it, and I thought you guys might find it amusing. They're probably pretty pricey, since they're handmade in the USA, but just think: now you don't have to go to the movies to pick apart costume inaccuracies! You can do it at dinner in your own home! (Actually, I haven't looked hard enough to tell if the drawings are accurate, but since they're made to order, I'm sure the artist would be happy to add some inaccuracies if you asked!) You can quiz your guests! Drill your kids! Lol. Check it out at: http://www.wolfwaretableware.com/ Tea Rose, who is apparently in a silly mood today www.needleandclay.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 14:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JIr7SX015736 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JIqwOu010870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JIqaK0010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 12:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JIqaS0008288; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.22]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4JIqXA0008123 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97811 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2008 18:52:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .P9zCdUVM1keTzmEQC2OccgXOADujf9cmMpXgxNMenuquLhHL91ad8BJETphpYju1Bwd4YBwHBssy7lDXISxotCuD7Uk8EGBxR31MQ-- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 11:52:27 PDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <798783.97750.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] OT obstructing traffic - was clothing from X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9f472d5-d6f1-46e4-b78f-36c2c1c9020e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4831CC8A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 14:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OMG, did they have to go to the workhouse and wear those ugly dresses too? Apparently, the women went on a hunger strike and were forcefed. In the movie, a senator's wife was in there and he is the one who leaked the inhumane treatment they were experiencing to the press. The ladies' demonstration was basically standing in front of the White House with signs being "Silent Sentinels". Alice Paul went up and threw quotes from President Wilson about equal rights, freedom etc. into a fire. I am surprised they were arrested during the Democratic Convention? I could understand the Republican Demonstration, they were just itching to arrest people in NYC. Back to the topic of dress at that time. (I apologize about my previous post as I was interrupted three times and then just pressed "send" without rereading it.) Reform dress is of great interest to me as I am sure women really wanted out of those corsets as they pursued more autonomy in society. I thought it strange that much of the dress still required corsets though. Hillary Swank's character is shown wearing skirt like pants but they are high wasted, the style surely would have required a corset. The older ladies are certainly wearing older styles, more directoire -- very wasp waist, flat front dresses, the front swallow breast with no great big bustle on the back but definitely had a little bump and the bigger hair with wide hats. The girls had more modern hats, started out with long hair and shirtwaists with neckties. For evening you saw lots of chiffon and georgette. The girls also went swimming and I want one of their suits! Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 15:29:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JJTuHu017260 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:29:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JJToNB001598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JJTOw5014161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JJTMTc056392; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4JJTJqC056210 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 9873 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 19:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:13 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c8b9ef$02148280$410d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CA87F3D822F48C-A88-EB2@Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com> Thread-Index: Aci53NqCpak9H0V1SFiFzVD+30+f1wAEhgwg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumed tableware X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3021ef4-0800-4be8-80b6-d8bd452e9bae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4831D52F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, I kinda LIKE the red/yellow one with the apple..... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of tearoses@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costumed tableware Hello everyone, I found this artist who makes ceramic tableware with drawings of people in historical costume on it, and I thought you guys might find it amusing. They're probably pretty pricey, since they're handmade in the USA, but just think: now you don't have to go to the movies to pick apart costume inaccuracies! You can do it at dinner in your own home! (Actually, I haven't looked hard enough to tell if the drawings are accurate, but since they're made to order, I'm sure the artist would be happy to add some inaccuracies if you asked!) You can quiz your guests! Drill your kids! Lol. Check it out at: http://www.wolfwaretableware.com/ Tea Rose, who is apparently in a silly mood today www.needleandclay.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 16:17:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JKHlgD019301 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JKGtDG028748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:17:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JKGeBF018463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JKGdmx019975; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JKGbrq019920 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1712314pyc.4 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.87.13 with SMTP id p13mr3912619rvl.163.1211228197011; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:16:36 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 331066d7-69fa-4c77-a4fd-28baf0fcd852 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4831E037.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I've got a pleater foot, and very useful it is. >Does anyone know where I might find out how early pleater feet are? >The earliest I've got is directions for its use in a reprint of a c.1930 Singer Featherweight manual. Ann, I have a pleater foot that came with my 1897 machine. Many early sewing machines have the relevant patent numbers engraved or stamped on the machines themselves. This sounds like a job for the patent office. Here's the URL: www.uspto.gov You can do keyword searches. have fun, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 17:39:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JLddrs023509 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:39:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JLdWL2025437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JLcspT026098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 15:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JLcqFu029091; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JLcnro029034 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rubin.laurad@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so1953600wxd.23 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.42.16 with SMTP id p16mr9894406wxp.14.1211233129231; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.95.8 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18bf96f00805191438s12c324a7ua1af0f7c2501b02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:49 -0700 From: "Laura Rubin" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84a1efb2-a40b-4588-95e6-507104e3b22e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4831F394.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm going out on a limb to assume you're referring to ruffler feet, which also often make pleats. :) The first instance I can find of "pleater" was in 1937 and was in regards to a shoemaking sewing machine, and the next was 1956 and referred to a way of making drapes... I think the ruffler is what we're looking for. The oldest patent I could find is dated as filed in 1865, and talks about how it's an improvement on the existing ruffler foot. Unfortunately, the illustration is dated 1887, which makes me think he sat in the patent approval queue for some time. (Perhaps he was a difficult customer? Or unconvincing in his arguments about why his item was unique.) There are a *bunch* of patents coming in as "improvements" in ruffler feet around 1873, including one that took "only" two months to be issued. http://www.google.com/patents?id=OQ1pAAAAEBAJ (Filed 1865, issues1887) http://www.google.com/patents?id=sugeAAAAEBAJ (Filed 1873, issued 1873) The search for these yielded some really interesting stuff, including a couple of interesting patent methods for making collars. -Laura On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:23:02 +0100 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080518172020.0388a660@suziclarke.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 17:13 18/05/2008, you wrote: > >I've got a pleater foot, and very useful it is. > > > >Does anyone know where I might find out how early pleater feet are? > > > >The earliest I've got is directions for its use in a reprint of a > >c.1930 Singer Featherweight manual. > > > > > >Ann in CT > > > As mechanical pleating machines were available in the Victorian era - > think of all those layers of pleats in the 1870's - I would have > thought that pleating feet were an early addition to machines. But > that is pure assumption - no evidence at all. I too have pleating > feet for my Singer, with photos of them to explain how they work, but > unfortunately the photos are not dateable. > > Suzi > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:28:44 -0500 > From: "Exstock" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing from 1890 - 1910, eastern U.S. > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > And though I haven't really looked at their copyright rules too much, > there's a ton of photos from that era at the Library of Congress's American > Memory website: > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > > -E House > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 19:20:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JNKHKh031569 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:20:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JNKBXN031915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JNJuRO034172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 17:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JNJrUh050122; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4JNJob7049966 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91260 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2008 23:19:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MGd_VcIVM1nJllKs.bu5NyDY8Jz5DEf6lnxgR47yjhlJNtTDEOzYBewERFN1diqyRW9EdSXkpnE8jfJLydiQiLcOInhZ3jDuBtx7B26HuXkYs0YL4RxBYjOjlGc- Received: from [69.182.241.214] by web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:19:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <357423.91053.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machine Feet dating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d52b67a2-4903-46aa-bb81-c83da339abe7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48320B2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 19:20:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you so much, Laura, Yes, I mean the ruffler foot. Mine is a very close cousin to your first link, which I left quoted below. It makes its ruffles is by making a little pleat, every stitch, or every 6 or 12 stitches, depending on how it's set. modern ruffler foot: Mine was very much torqued, and I used two pairs of pliers to straighten it out--if it had broken, well, it wouldn't actually go on the machine in its bent state. I used it to ruffle the better part of 25 yards of cloth, less once it'd been ruffled, mostly on the every-6-stitches setting. This is for the ruffled overlay on Truly Victorian 101 bustle. Ann in CT --- Laura Rubin wrote: > I'm going out on a limb to assume you're referring > to ruffler feet, which also often make pleats. :) > The oldest patent I could find is dated as filed in 1865, > and talks about how it's an improvement on the existing ruffler foot. > Unfortunately, the illustration is dated 1887, which makes me think he > sat in the patent approval queue for some time. (There are a > *bunch* of patents coming in as "improvements" in ruffler feet around > 1873, including one that took "only" two months to be issued. > > (Filed 1865, > issues1887) > > -Laura _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 19:22:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JNMhYl031739 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:22:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JNMQuc014763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:22:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JNMDx3034400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 17:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JNMDXF052558; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JNMBsE052529 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id c31so3396644poi.1 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.132.1 with SMTP id j1mr4018861rvn.64.1211239330827; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:22:10 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c5cd4c3-3b2b-4d96-b8a2-d66cd7127784 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48320BB2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm >Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? >To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. >Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i >quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: >Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. >Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne, Looks like a wheel to me. Wheels came in many sizes. There's a 16th c quote in Norah Waugh citing a woman wearing one 4 feet across. (Raise your hand if you think someone was exaggerating!) FWIW, I've now done 3 drum farthingale gowns. While the edge of the farthingale is hidden by her elbows, I suspect it will be sharper rather than round. The padded roll over the conical farthigale will not give the right-angle effect that I also see in this picture. Part of that effect is created by the pinned ruffled edge and a sufficiently stiff fabric. My personal penchant is for stiff taffeta (sarceonet, in England). I've not looked at many Danish outfits; my knowledge comes exclusively from the English & French sources. There are drums where the skirt hangs vertically and drums where the lower edge kicks out as in this one. In my vile experiments, a barrel-shaped hoop creates that slight angled-out, whereas the "Esperduccati" style appliance, leaves the skirt to hang vertically unlike this picture. Who is the lady in the painting? I covet her jewelry! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 19 19:43:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4JNhZvw000808 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:43:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4JNhUNv008443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JNhE04035587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 May 2008 17:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JNhEsk072840; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4JNhA8l072710 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W3 ([65.55.138.38]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 May 2008 16:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:43:05 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 23:43:05.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[156B6C20:01C8BA0A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Esperduccati?: WASDanish Renaissance dress. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 May 2008 19:43:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What is Esperduccati? I can't even get a google hit on it! There are drums where the skirt> hangs vertically and drums where the lower edge kicks out as in this> one. In my vile experiments, a barrel-shaped hoop creates that slight> angled-out, whereas the "Esperduccati" style appliance, leaves the> skirt to hang vertically unlike this picture.> > Who is the lady in the painting? I covet her jewelry!> --cin> Cynthia Barnes> CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 02:10:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4K6AxlG027400 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:10:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4K6AqSN027423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:10:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4K6APGa061444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 00:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4K6AMmL085446; Tue, 20 May 2008 00:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4K6AJml085399 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 00:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB484407EB for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 01:10:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1600s portraits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 042d2ab7-19e7-4603-8d20-ecfb40e36bcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48326B6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 08:30:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KCUQMX000449 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KCUIho010042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KCTj96079582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 06:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KCTh2N094373; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KCTdNK094203 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:29:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@staff.washjeff.edu) Received: from 209.131.83.40 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A42D0374; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:29:33 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:29:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "R Lloyd Mitchell" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_NNWEAXWSGPS33WEMFON9" Message-Id: <200805200829572.SM05712@[209.131.83.40]> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumed tableware X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 908c66e7-2c9f-446e-9f84-f69ea8ce6247 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4832C45A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands = http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/liadain= s_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces=40indra.com = =5Bmailto:h-costume-bounces=40indra.com=5D On Behalf Of tearoses=40aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:18 AM To: h-costume=40indra.com Subject: =5Bh-cost=5D Costumed tableware Hello everyone, I found this artist who makes ceramic tableware with drawings of people in historical costume on it, and I thought you guys might find it amusing. They're probably pretty pricey, since they're handmade in the USA, but just think: now you don't have to go to the movies to pick apart costume inaccuracies=21 You can do it at dinner in your own home=21 (Actually, I = haven't looked hard enough to tell if the drawings are accurate, but since they're made to order, I'm sure the artist would be happy to add some inaccuracies if you asked=21) You can quiz your guests=21 Drill your kids=21 Lol. Check it out at: http://www.wolfwaretableware.com/ Tea Rose, who is apparently in a silly mood today www.needleandclay.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume=40mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume=40mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= --------------Boundary-00=_NNWEAXWSGPS33WEMFON9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------Boundary-00=_NNWEAXWSGPS33WEMFON9-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 09:08:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KD86tb002211 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 09:08:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KD7uiB022978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 09:07:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KD7aIf081611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 07:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KD7aFP029066; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4KD7Xd6028917 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEDFVJBALBR382 for (sender ); Tue, 20 May 2008 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wZzm7Kf2jzLpHnu6bWykuxWAzPgTSIoaQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NKMV4AA4; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:06:50 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:06:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:06:22 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080520.080622.4077.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2337155184 X-MAIL-INFO: 16d034a5d4d5c5d444443484c4254589b520b591f531b5b58991a485d13d3914b0a5d0d080b0d5d4e024d050cd6de949692d250c25810c0010ad9dc5e4607411b42011b48d45ed8d89ed953189c904c0f02521617179e52d61b0dd402171200089d1143414d06d44d06dc5846dc581893095c1cd31b595248d6531a12410f9e124a4a509d129d199c4c5d46dd184c9616915492d254925812d25114044a065e4014101fd5974715990adadf07154e5611575e15969497081712d5050dda5a42d69 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1600s portraits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f28bfd2-dc0d-4c82-aae3-1a005d40ed75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4832CD2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m3WLXYZkU1PzFGXUFNVAfPsNFO294zoAONgUcBX1sHHfajW/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 10:25:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KEPUSD006017 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:25:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KEPL8K019176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KEOs59087112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 08:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KEOqZQ012355; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KEOmAL012215 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W9 ([65.55.138.44]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 07:24:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:24:42 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 14:24:43.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F269910:01C8BA85] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1600s portraits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e15115b1-f537-4c6f-b5e1-d9f49eb73346 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4832DF51.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks! > From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:10:33 -0500> Subject: [h-cost] 1600s portraits> > http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/556967837tWiCMx?start=0> > http://tinyurl.com/5skcwn> > New to me site.> > De> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 14:35:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KIZCSu016380 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KIZ6uu015260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KIYgRK011570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 12:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KIYb1m038590; Tue, 20 May 2008 12:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KIYapR038547 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 12:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2094040rvb.11 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.132.1 with SMTP id j1mr4627765rvn.64.1211308475742; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:35 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Esperduccati?: WAS Danish Renaissance dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1953f3e2-9284-4d7a-b77a-bb0f4ece7ba4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483319DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >What is Esperduccati? I can't even get a google hit on it! The drawing that so many use to "prove" that the wheel farthingale is just a circle of canes is called "Les Esperducattis". It's from 1615 or so and illustrates a balleto of 4 men wearing the wheels. They are assumed to be mocking womens' fashions. Find it in Norah Waugh's "Corsets & Crinolines", page 30 where she says it "suggests" that might have been the way wheels were made previously. I suppose is it amazing that no one's scanned the illustration & put it on their costume webpage yet. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com >...There are drums where the skirt > hangs vertically and drums where the lower edge kicks out as in this > one. In my vile experiments, a barrel-shaped hoop creates that slight > angled-out, whereas the "Esperduccati" style appliance, leaves the > skirt to hang vertically unlike this picture. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 18:21:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KMLsCh024592 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:21:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KMLmwh031038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:21:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KMLJpT032253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMLFnE014389; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMLCxL014246 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W45 ([65.55.138.80]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:21:07 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 22:21:08.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD185000:01C8BAC7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Esperduccati?: WAS Danish Renaissance dress. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:21:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is that what the name of it was? Knew the picture, but not the name....thanks! > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:35 -0700> From: cinbarnes@gmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Esperduccati?: WAS Danish Renaissance dress.> > >What is Esperduccati? I can't even get a google hit on it!> > The drawing that so many use to "prove" that the wheel farthingale is> just a circle of canes is called "Les Esperducattis". It's from 1615> or so and illustrates a balleto of 4 men wearing the wheels. They are> assumed to be mocking womens' fashions. Find it in Norah Waugh's> "Corsets & Crinolines", page 30 where she says it "suggests" that> might have been the way wheels were made previously.> I suppose is it amazing that no one's scanned the illustration & put> it on their costume webpage yet.> --cin> Cynthia Barnes> CinBarnes@gmail.com> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 18:23:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KMNTKK024628 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KMNOvj019654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KMMQA2032346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMMQQ4015700; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMMOY1015553 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W9 ([65.55.138.44]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:22:18 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 22:22:19.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[F755E940:01C8BAC7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84d03dd0-2d7e-4112-9bcc-9cd378a3b8a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48334F5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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GRRRRRR! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 18:29:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KMThj1024908 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:29:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KMTcWm003004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:29:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KMTQn5032923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMTQqJ022820; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMTNqa022726 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W5 ([65.55.138.40]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:29:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:29:18 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 22:29:18.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[F119E210:01C8BAC8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d570bef-abda-454a-931b-527dfb770260 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483350D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:29:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh and while I am whining - what ever happened to the flared leg short - everything is pencil leg now! > From: wickedfrau@msn.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:22:18 -0700> Subject: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT> > I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. I was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing....> > > GRRRRRR!> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 18:41:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KMffBQ025360 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:41:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KMfaOW010189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:41:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KMfCwM033992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMfCIr035589; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMf8Iq035428 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W47 ([65.54.161.147]) by bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:41:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.236.130.76] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:41:03 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 22:41:03.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[95719C30:01C8BACA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] OT: weatherproofing cloth footwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d4d52ad-410b-4bce-921d-64dbe3cd1bdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483353A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know the application of this is Definately OT, but I am hoping some histo= rical re-enactors have faced this issue somewhere along the line... = I have been making fulled knitted slippers for awhile and got the idea to m= ake myself a pair of boots (knee high and no heel-been looking for these fo= r a couple of years) based on the pattern I was using. They turned out pre= tty well after some fiddling, but now I have to address the bit about water= proofing them and adding some kind of sole so they can stand up to outside = use. I would just as soon not use a modern sole if I can avoid it. My husband suggested using linseed oil to waterproof the fulled wool of the= body, but I've never heard of this. Anybody know anything helpful here? = TIA, Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i=92m Initiative from Micr= osoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=3DEML_WL_ GoodCause _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 19:33:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KNXAUi027550 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KNX4gf025206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KNWbFh037551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 17:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNWaZX090201; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNWXvr090100 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TvjX1Z00E16LCl0590M800; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:32:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TzXJ1Z00A00zNUK3S00200; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:32:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PREvTyQeKTsA:10 a=RA-BpAY9ZfcA:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=TFJCz1KY9d1zBFyRr9IA:9 a=MbHdljXQqaF-jrFQqjYt3-1U4HgA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:32:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 812a0158-d9f9-451b-b588-71dc6ee56d71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48335FB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 19:33:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought everything had been low rise for so long, that waistlines were going up again. Sylvia On May 20, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. > I was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing.... > > > GRRRRRR! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 19:39:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KNdhhS027861 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:39:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KNdcE7024352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:39:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KMfMgV034023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMfMPf035818; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KMfApH035540 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.102] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1688654567 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <033301c8baca$9c0c21a0$66a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 367d60c4-c084-487f-a50f-e51ac4a360ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4833613A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 19:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try the men's department. Not only will they be less "fashionista" but they will be better made and less expensive. Denise >I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. I >was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing.... > > > GRRRRRR! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 19:40:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KNeaCS027915 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KNeUHb005963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KNeHd1037957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 17:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNeHgf096819; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNeEpe096747 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so2386077wah.3 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.95.1 with SMTP id x1mr9497595wal.122.1211326811439; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0805201640y29cd86ebw74ee41082203726c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:40:11 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b89daf7-effd-43ca-bd36-85da959c25b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4833616E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My teen-aged daughter swears that the style is getting to be slightly high-rise again at her school. Thank goodness; I'm tired of the muffin top I see on everyone, where the tight pants push up the pooch over the jeans and look like the tops of muffins - even on thin girls. LynnD On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I thought everything had been low rise for so long, that waistlines > were going up again. > > Sylvia > > On May 20, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. > > I was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing.... > > > > > > GRRRRRR! > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 19:44:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4KNi1dB027985 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:44:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4KNhu0X026473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KNhkm6038163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 17:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNhkgR000125; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KNhg36099839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=63956 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JybUM-0004qj-RB for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:43:37 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:43:19 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:43:11 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Aci6yCjAwwJSONprRquYSAZWml0TwwACwhNA In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080520-1, 05/20/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 23:43:19.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[4862A7F0:01C8BAD3] X-OMR-RCPT-Passed: Yes X-Tzolkin-OMR-Domain: softwareinnovation.com X-Tzolkin-OMR-IP: 76.186.96.226 X-Tzolkin-OMR2-For: "'Uvfgbevpny Pbfghzr'" X-Tzolkin-Update: 1 X-Tzolkin-Xindi: X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV - No Detected Virus. X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d2930c1-87e1-4dc5-a691-d0f39a266b40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4833623C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 19:44:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Isn't a nice thing to be able to sew things the way you want them? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. I was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing.... GRRRRRR! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 20:07:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4L07o6n029000 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:07:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4L07jHY010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4L07XXu039449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L07XnR021679; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L07S2w021598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JybqB-0006OW-RD for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.domain.actdsltmp To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9589807-5209-4d2e-9909-55b70f3eb02e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 483367D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Have you tried Old Navy? /Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 20:36:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4L0a0Ad029753 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:36:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4L0ZsYx030954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4L0ZNYl041276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L0ZLoI045322; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L0ZHxC045269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (75-162-10-58.desm.qwest.net [75.162.10.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4L0ZGNe028038 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:35:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Message-Id: To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:35:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7185/Tue May 20 17:22:22 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] pirates? at CSA Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 444c14af-810e-419e-87f0-a5928e1cf92c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48336E6A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 20:35:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, here's a question for those of you attending the Costume Society of America annual meeting this week: If you get a chance to hear David Rickman's paper on pirates (in the session on costume in film) would you please share any resources you gained? Or tidbits of information, or anything else! I've agreed to help with a nautical-themed event in late September and I'm sure that some folks will want to "do" pirates. But my main area for research in the past few years has been the 16th century and I don't think I can convince anyone that the Uskoks of Senj would be a fun look [see Vecellio]. . . never mind. ;-) This will be a decidedly tongue-in-cheek event -- it's in Iowa, which is a land- locked state, and we're calling it "Any Port in a Storm" -- with paper boat races on the stream that runs through the park, and so on. (I expect a lot of Viking raiders to show up.) Thanks for listening, and sharing, Suzanne (When they asked me what *my* persona would be for this event, I said "the woman standing on the wharf waving goodbye.") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 20 20:41:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4L0f2xs029923 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4L0eusU007394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4L0ekZ4041635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 May 2008 18:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L0ekRq049736; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.uvm.edu (smtp2.uvm.edu [132.198.101.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L0efP8049567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local (c-75-69-70-4.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.69.70.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.uvm.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4L0eTtN002856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: <48336F84.3040008@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:40:36 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f5acae6-8511-402a-8b59-dc6c4b892446 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48336F98.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 May 2008 20:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try: L.L. Bean (www.llbean.com) Coldwater Creek (www.coldwatercreek.com) click on "outlet" for the good prices Their "sit at the waits" shorts and pants come halfway up to my neck! (OK exaggerating a bit but for those of us with low rises it has been refreshing the last couple of years to be able to buy pants that say low rise but actually end up sitting at the waist.) - Hope Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: >> I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. I was >> in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing.... >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 11:32:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LFWsWh026235 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:32:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LFWmQf031507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:32:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LFVm7T095457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 09:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LFVkMh085717; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LFVhsq085592 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail01.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.151]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080521153138H0300lecmhe>; Wed, 21 May 2008 15:31:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.151] Received: from [74.224.67.254] by fwebmail01.isp.att.net; Wed, 21 May 2008 15:31:37 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:31:37 +0000 Message-Id: <052120081531.5459.483440590009985B0000155322218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24f6b503-ff4e-470e-b067-71d0cfe4b51a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483440A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:32:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good morning, I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now is taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is november 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but not as low as it was a few years ago. Scarlett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 11:55:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LFtuRw027444 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:55:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LFtnxV031561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:55:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LFtYAZ097846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 09:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LFtXFH020714; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LFtUam020544 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:57:14 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03220DB5@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT Thread-Index: Aci6yF/qtOT4+XtwR0Sf1llVhdk+zgAksX0A References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2008 15:57:14.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[562989C0:01C8BB5B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36accf17-fe0c-46d6-9b41-5b46737c186b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48344605.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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GRRRRRR! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 12:02:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LG2oL0028100 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LG2fCX017483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LG2K8G098494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LG2JHx030605; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LG2HEC030383 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K1800CQV77LTYZ0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:08 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <052120081531.5459.483440590009985B0000155322218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba28318f-3f4f-48c1-acc4-129dacd025dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483447A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Scarlett-- I just looked on Amazon.uk, but can't find it. What is the title of the book? Thanks, Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of scarlettday@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:32 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest Good morning, I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now is taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is november 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but not as low as it was a few years ago. Scarlett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 12:10:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LGAqUG028420 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:10:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LGAkD0014610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LGAOHB099313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 10:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGAOjd041635; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGAK82041446 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K1800CB57KR3HK0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:10:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-11-6-167.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([76.11.6.167]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:08:52 -0300 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:10:01 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001801c8bb5d$1fa55260$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAL7lM0hMCwan/2dsb2JhbACwGw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,521,1204516800"; d="scan'208";a="257332558" References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97105f48-211d-43f1-987b-8aa18eddea34 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48344986.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-Construction-Headwear-1540-1665/dp/0333570820/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211385839&sr=8-11 Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > Hi Scarlett-- > I just looked on Amazon.uk, but can't find it. What is the title of the > book? > Thanks, > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of scarlettday@bellsouth.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:32 AM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > Good morning, > I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now > is > taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK > site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is > november > 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 > pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but > not as low as it was a few years ago. > > Scarlett > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 12:32:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LGW9HO029385 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LGW1dv001510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LGV0rA001324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 10:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGUx84070472; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGUuIl070255 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K18001358J7LFU0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:30:42 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <001801c8bb5d$1fa55260$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42979082-3c01-4b93-83f7-f5566cbd068c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48344E82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Sarah! Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of SPaterson Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-Construction-Headwear-1540-1665/dp/ 0333570820/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211385839&sr=8-11 Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > Hi Scarlett-- > I just looked on Amazon.uk, but can't find it. What is the title of the > book? > Thanks, > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of scarlettday@bellsouth.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:32 AM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > Good morning, > I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now > is > taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK > site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is > november > 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 > pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but > not as low as it was a few years ago. > > Scarlett > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 12:42:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LGgbKX029897 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LGgVQ0022290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LGgESf002490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 10:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGgDIK086133; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LGgA88086034 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UEx71Z00D0bG4ec560Bi00; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:42:10 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UGi91Z0052ioxb83P00000; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:42:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=pBOR-ozoAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=rP0-2j8qlqUZbVCwWpEA:9 a=KvXXnB0FmlgtkdeMH3gA:7 a=EqZeXPeSegnXL2M1fnyAra0H1ZkA:4 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=f3vTY2RCmVgA:10 a=Fi2a2sjZ_vM2wAiAUJ8A:7 a=eKjrp7RysJSF5VSGmlRcNp1aaUgA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:42:08 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:42:08 +0000 Message-Id: <052120081642.1362.483450E0000955690000055222058861729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f333ab44-7a96-4916-8377-1ca3ac9b7248 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483450F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you search the ISBN (0333570820) on Amazon US, they have a placeholder page ready for it. Don't know what that means exactly, but there it is. -------------- Original message -------------- From: monica spence > Thanks Sarah! > Monica (Catriona) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of SPaterson > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:10 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-Construction-Headwear-1540-1665/dp/ > 0333570820/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211385839&sr=8-11 > > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "monica spence" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > > Hi Scarlett-- > > I just looked on Amazon.uk, but can't find it. What is the title of the > > book? > > Thanks, > > Monica > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of scarlettday@bellsouth.net > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:32 AM > > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > > > > Good morning, > > I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now > > is > > taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK > > site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is > > november > > 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 > > pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but > > not as low as it was a few years ago. > > > > Scarlett > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 13:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LH6oIT031460 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:06:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LH6itP010495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LH4Nj6005131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LH4Nuk018966; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LH4KMp018729 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UGjm1Z00E0x6nqcA201g00; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:04:14 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UH4C1Z0052UaZsC8Y00000; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:04:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=zD1nie-DAAAA:8 a=pBOR-ozoAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=hZtKHGs7IiCzNxBcZYAA:9 a=l-mWWiZb5lnvQbhuogkA:7 a=PenjuUXzsqnDwVy4y51UiOrF1ssA:4 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=Z3R2zaqRN04A:10 a=maoYsAafzJO0jHnVzEcA:9 a=mLHSVR0HmQUe3CzSE9sA:7 a=Dg34AT1ROvly_YvWCMarAVQ3mE4A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:04:11 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:04:11 +0000 Message-Id: <052120081704.17490.4834560A000E65E30000445222007503309D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] PS: Re: Janet Arnold latest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c588815a-9e5b-4d46-ad14-f204bf33d9ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483456A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 13:06:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO PS: Blackwell's says it will send it for $61.66 US (plus $7.20 S&H) when it's available. http://bookshop.blackwell.com/jsp/display_product_info.jsp?isbn=9780333570821 -------------- Original message -------------- From: monica spence > Thanks Sarah! > Monica (Catriona) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of SPaterson > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:10 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-Construction-Headwear-1540-1665/dp/ > 0333570820/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211385839&sr=8-11 > > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "monica spence" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > > Hi Scarlett-- > > I just looked on Amazon.uk, but can't find it. What is the title of the > > book? > > Thanks, > > Monica > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of scarlettday@bellsouth.net > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:32 AM > > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold latest > > > > > > Good morning, > > I know this was discussed a while back and I did a follow up. Amazon now > > is > > taking pre-orders on the new Janet Arnold book, but I found it on the UK > > site not the USA site. It will be 30.00 pounds and release date is > > november > > 7th. I also they had a reduced price on the Queen Elizabeth book 75.00 > > pounds and it is listed with the USA site for about $120.00, good deal but > > not as low as it was a few years ago. > > > > Scarlett > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 14:55:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LIt4hB005958 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:55:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LIssNV010962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LIsV6M015896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LIsQ0L070969; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LIsNXV070761 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from n.mm@gte.net) Received: from POGO.gte.net ([71.182.71.233]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1800JONEW8EHB1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:48:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:54:13 -0700 From: Nancy Millis-MacHaffie In-reply-to: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03220DB5@lynx.campus.muc.p rv> X-Sender: res04vv9@incoming.verizon.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.1.20080521113508.0324b700@incoming.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] looking for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93e71bc2-87db-4919-9f04-8011427a3965 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48346FFE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO a picture of the burial shroud of St. Bathilde of France. From the book of Textiles and Clothing from the Museum of London, pg 81. The first paragraph on the left hand side says that " the 'Shroud of St Bathild"... has bands of huckaback bordering a mian web of tabby with a looped pile"... Does anyone know where I can find a picture of this on the web? I'm trying to define the word "band" here. Is it a sewn on band, a woven in band? Nancy (who's been on the web for an hour now without sucees. :) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 14:59:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LIxeP9006103 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LIxWrb010803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:59:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LIxDHf016280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 12:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LIxD5t076799; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LIxAWV076641 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m4LIx5p01215 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:59:05 -0400 From: "Althea Turner" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:59:05 -0500 Message-Id: <20080521185905.M25353@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080521113508.0324b700@incoming.verizon.net> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080521113508.0324b700@incoming.verizon.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.71 20021114 X-OriginatingIP: 206.192.237.46 (alfalfapress@alfalfapress.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34fdb8d3-466c-4d98-9814-0e3878ca8d0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48347114.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 May 2008 14:59:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, I think I have a picture of this at home. I will check this evening. Althea On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:54:13 -0700, Nancy Millis-MacHaffie wrote > a picture of the burial shroud of St. Bathilde of France. > > From the book of Textiles and Clothing from the Museum of London, > pg 81. > > The first paragraph on the left hand side says that " the 'Shroud of > St Bathild"... has bands of huckaback bordering a mian web of tabby > with a looped pile"... > > Does anyone know where I can find a picture of this on the web? > > I'm trying to define the word "band" here. Is it a sewn on band, a > woven in band? > > Nancy > (who's been on the web for an hour now without sucees. :) ) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume *** Directory of Diverse Knowledge http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 15:55:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LJtAt4008782 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 15:55:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LJt2Vm027641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 15:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LJsX1s021919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 13:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LJsVle053266; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LJsSdC053082 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d2f.216f584d (41810) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 15:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:54:10 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6d8b4a3-3541-42ac-ac80-a2a32d1ce335 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48347E16.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 18:18:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4LMIDQi015107 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4LMI6UQ018581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:18:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4LMHcJo034817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 16:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LMHZbg020974; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4LMHV4t020807 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from n.mm@gte.net) Received: from POGO.gte.net ([71.182.71.233]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K18008G3OGAFNX0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:17:27 -0700 From: Nancy Millis-MacHaffie In-reply-to: <20080521185905.M25353@alfalfapress.com> X-Sender: res04vv9@incoming.verizon.net (Unverified) To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.1.20080521151651.031fac20@incoming.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080521113508.0324b700@incoming.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.1.20080521113508.0324b700@incoming.verizon.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56735e9f-4e02-4530-bbbf-16ca56e963b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48349F9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I will check this evening. > >Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 21 20:41:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4M0fFJJ021945 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4M0fAMu021997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4M0erGF045454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 May 2008 18:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4M0eoNg052174; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4M0en3p052159 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2612912ywe.71 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.84.42 with SMTP id h42mr1141834ybb.229.1211416842014; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3926577yxs.5.2008.05.21.17.40.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:40:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci7fJpaxh67UI4yQsqUgtd5pQJ2jQAJjT6g Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4834c109.8905be0a.0d41.ffffa7b6@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 May 2008 03:15:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gottchalks has what they are calling "Traditional" cut and it has normal rise pants. I have been to Sears and they now have the same sort of pant version, so look for that type and perhaps? It is what you are looking for! Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 22 07:05:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4MB5s28007315 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 07:05:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4MB5mOF012056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 07:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4MB5QHa081016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 May 2008 05:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4MB5NI2074352; Thu, 22 May 2008 05:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4MB5KQ6074288 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 05:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2B452EE for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 21:05:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-163.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-163.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.163]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 21:05:25 +1000 Message-ID: <1211454325.4835537539f42@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:05:25 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <00dc01c8d437$73ce5150$4301a8c0@seam> In-Reply-To: <00dc01c8d437$73ce5150$4301a8c0@seam> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39f5dd4f-22b0-48e2-98fe-f42c9bb66fd0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4835538C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 May 2008 07:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Has anyone suggested just making a pair? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 22 12:18:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4MGIZZR005665 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4MGISSF012422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4MGHnwG007390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 May 2008 10:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4MGHk3u059672; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4MGHhEo059459 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W33 ([65.55.138.68]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 May 2008 09:17:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:17:37 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1211454325.4835537539f42@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <00dc01c8d437$73ce5150$4301a8c0@seam> <1211454325.4835537539f42@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2008 16:17:38.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A062E00:01C8BC27] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d0e7ab8-3a71-4953-9036-44ab29e1b990 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48359CD4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought about it, but I really don't want to spend my sewing time on that if I don't have too. I used to be the person who said: "Oh, I can make that - don't need to buy it." Then one of my costume buddies, straightened me out! She said always buy what you can and make what you can't - it was a whole new perspective for me! Sg > From: stilskin@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue> > Has anyone suggested just making a pair? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 02:17:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4N6HXuE025706 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:17:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4N6HQ6g015382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:17:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4N6Gxa8068840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 00:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4N6Gtsj008061; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4N6Gq1b008023 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0C51A9002CA; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:14:29 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <00dc01c8d437$73ce5150$4301a8c0@seam> <1211454325.4835537539f42@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 23:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c8bc9c$91946240$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aci8Jywe1WMLy/XXTeafrQbpBZyaNwAdQLVw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adef80b7-7ef4-42df-a272-9cc2162bf02f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48366176.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 02:17:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have some pants/shorts that I have streamlined to the easiest pattern ever. Two pieces, two seams, two hems (machine of course) and one casing for the elastic. They sit at my waist and I make them in lovely wild cotton prints (it's either that or tablecloths). Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue I thought about it, but I really don't want to spend my sewing time on that if I don't have too. I used to be the person who said: "Oh, I can make that - don't need to buy it." Then one of my costume buddies, straightened me out! She said always buy what you can and make what you can't - it was a whole new perspective for me! Sg > From: stilskin@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue> > Has anyone suggested just making a pair? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 07:46:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NBkZp8026557 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NBkNjQ022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NBjR5T083567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 05:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NBjOJq061149; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NBjLEE061048 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from needlethread96@aol.co.uk) Received: from needlethread96@aol.co.uk by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.cf4.2c2e28f2 (57879) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D29 (fwm-d29.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.5]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e2174836ae49192; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:45:13 -0400 References: <00dc01c8d437$73ce5150$4301a8c0@seam> <1211454325.4835537539f42@webmail.netspace.net.au> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:45:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 213.249.184.198 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: needlethread96@aol.co.uk X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD Received: from 213.249.184.198 by FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.5) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 23 May 2008 07:45:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA8AE198FBCE76-11A0-DF7@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32e2e981-daa7-4ca4-8baa-151248287d9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4836AE8F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 07:46:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (delurking) I find making most of daughters clothes is the easier option than taking a bad tempered 6 year old around the shops trying on clothes.? Like myself, she finds?choosing fabric is much more fun!? As for shoe shopping with her, I only wish I could make her shoes as well...! All the best Jayne (lurking again!) -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:17 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue I thought about it, but I really don't want to spend my sewing time on that if I don't have too. I used to be the person who said: "Oh, I can make that - don't need to buy it." Then one of my costume buddies, straightened me out! She said always buy what you can and make what you can't - it was a whole new perspective for me! Sg > From: stilskin@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue> > Has anyone suggested just making a pair? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 11:55:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NFtToH010185 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:55:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NFtNmC031054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NFsUs7002416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NFsR4H030551; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NFsQnC030519 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so482761wri.8 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr1013398way.225.1211558064987; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.135.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:54:24 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 155bf733-a010-4c69-a528-e4bf62f1b786 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4836E8EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 11:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good morning all, Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or resources for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version of "Le Chevalier D'Eon", and while the costumes are for the most part only glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight as much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them as close as possible to accurate--while still giving the "look" from the anime production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would give the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm doing Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King Louis. :) I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) Cheers, Sharon/Jasta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 13:19:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NHJAGB013607 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NHJ40U026189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NHIdKZ014951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 11:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NHIcAN032941; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NHIZ9E032804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:18:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-67-67.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.67.67]:1162 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JzauT-0004fL-IJ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:18:30 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080523180939.039264e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:18:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08370c01-2bf1-4b27-9c03-af9c77184b11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4836FC88.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 13:19:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:54 23/05/2008, you wrote: >Good morning all, > >Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or resources >for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some >friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version >of "Le Chevalier D'Eon", and while the costumes are for the most part only >glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* > >I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight as >much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them as >close as possible to accurate--while still giving the "look" from the anime >production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and >underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would give >the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the >anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm doing >Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King Louis. >:) > >I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already >sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the >gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* >They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) I made a copy of Mme de Pompadour for the Wallace Collection, from the painting in their collection. http://tinyurl.com/6zyeuj I have also made a copy of this for a different customer http://tinyurl.com/5954gh I have photos of the underwear I can show privately if that would help. Otherwise, "Cut of Women's Clothes", "Cut of Men' s ditto", "Corsets and Crinolines" and any of the books by Linda Baumgarten, Hunnisett, Arnold would be a good starting point. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 14:12:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NICfJB015445 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NICaNM004391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NIBnk7019864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 12:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NIBnNb092301; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NIBi23092116 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@staff.washjeff.edu) Received: from 209.131.83.40 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A8DA03F4; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:11:38 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:11:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "R Lloyd Mitchell" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_06FXHSX59YWNJLA59R1V" Message-Id: <20080523141115.SM05288@[209.131.83.40]> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48370914.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --------------Boundary-00=_06FXHSX59YWNJLA59R1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you looked at the =22Dangerous Liaisons=22 collections/exhibit at the = Metropolitan, 2004? Not much in the way of lingerie but many extant = costumes used for that display...for both men and women; very nice = bibliography. kathleen -----Original Message----- From: =22Sharon Henderson=22 Sent 5/23/2008 11:54:24 AM To: h-costume=40indra.com Subject: =5Bh-cost=5D Questions on Louis XV (1760s) CostumingGood morning = all, Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or resources for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version of =22Le Chevalier D'Eon=22, and while the costumes are for the most part = only glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight as much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them as close as possible to accurate--while still giving the =22look=22 from the = anime production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would give the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm doing Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King Louis. :) I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) Cheers, Sharon/Jasta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume=40mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= --------------Boundary-00=_06FXHSX59YWNJLA59R1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------Boundary-00=_06FXHSX59YWNJLA59R1V-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 15:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NJ8lrC017840 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NJ8da4031759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NJ8E5w024310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 13:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NJ88XK054273; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NJ83uE054162 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080523190802.JMMJ26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:02 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.87]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080523190801.UJPM19524.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:01 +0200 Message-ID: <002701c8bd08$51aa6a50$57e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:07:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.63.231.87] at Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:01 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31100784-7b71-41a7-a11a-ca71c54faaf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48371637.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Sharon Henderson. Thanks for your post. This is not anything about undergarments, but i am sure these wil be a big inspiration to you, they are to me! Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Henderson" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming > Good morning all, > > Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or > resources > for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some > friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version > of "Le Chevalier D'Eon", and while the costumes are for the most part only > glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* > > I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight > as > much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them > as > close as possible to accurate--while still giving the "look" from the > anime > production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and > underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would > give > the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the > anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm > doing > Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King > Louis. > :) > > I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already > sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the > gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* > They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) > > Cheers, > Sharon/Jasta > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 15:29:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NJTLm9019296 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:29:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NJTFGD031594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:29:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NJSvWP025885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 13:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NJSu9o076499; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NJSr48076331 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4NJSWD0025837 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 19:28:47 GMT Message-ID: <001101c8bd0b$32b10110$f51cda46@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:28:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50034f57-87c1-4b05-914c-4247f0583bdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48371B0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 15:29:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or resources > for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Have a look at http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/18thlinks.htm - she has MANY links! I think you'll find almost everything you need. Regards, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 23 16:23:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4NKNbn3022737 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:23:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4NKNWiO010028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4NKI1uP029559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 May 2008 14:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NKHvlr028774; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4NKHrXe028608 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.193]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080523201749.IWOE6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:17:49 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.193]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080523201740.CEMJ28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:17:40 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:13:52 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080523201740.CEMJ28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Textile Society of America - 2008 Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6c2975a-ebfa-4938-b28e-6e0ec0008e37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 483727C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 May 2008 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought that this might be of interest to others on the list. Textiles as Cultural Expressions: 11th Textile = Society of America Biennial Symposium 2008 (Honolulu) September 24 =96 27, = 2008 http://www.textilesociety.org/symposia_2008.htm Preliminary Program as of March 3) - 832KB = http://www.textilesociety.org/downloads/2008Symposium%20PreliminaryProgram.= pdf Regards, Beth Matney = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 24 05:46:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4O9kmdD006989 for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:46:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4O9kg2d002096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4O9kQqF067567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 May 2008 03:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4O9kNBc072937; Sat, 24 May 2008 03:46:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4O9kK78072844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 03:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-67-67.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.67.67]:1458 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JzqKM-0007Ht-6A for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 May 2008 04:46:14 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080524103443.038b07d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:35:43 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <002701c8bd08$51aa6a50$57e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <002701c8bd08$51aa6a50$57e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c898aff4-48b2-457c-a0cb-1b5d0c73d502 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4837E402.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 May 2008 05:46:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 20:07 23/05/2008, you wrote: >Dear Sharon Henderson. >Thanks for your post. >This is not anything about undergarments, but i am sure these wil be a big >inspiration to you, they are to me! >Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: >http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 >Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! > >Bjarne What a wonderful resource Bjarne - thank you so much. I knew a few of these paintings, but so many all in one place - great! Suzi > > Good morning all, > > > > Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or > > resources > > for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some > > friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version > > of "Le Chevalier D'Eon", and while the costumes are for the most part only > > glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* > > > > I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight > > as > > much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them > > as > > close as possible to accurate--while still giving the "look" from the > > anime > > production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and > > underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would > > give > > the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the > > anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm > > doing > > Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King > > Louis. > > :) > > > > I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already > > sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the > > gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* > > They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) > > > > Cheers, > > Sharon/Jasta > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 27 15:17:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4RJHP5o006314 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4RJHJg1028323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4RJGsIC045912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 May 2008 13:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RJGn5S028132; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4QH6Gr0072511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K0g9G-00007k-Ur for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:58:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] A birmingham or burlingham gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc243655-f480-499f-aef0-b7e03c14e4e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483C5E3F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know what a birmingham or burlingham gown is? A student has been in contact with me asking and I'm really not sure, I cant say I'd heard the term before. I can only assume it is made from fabric manufacted there? Apparently the reference comes from a quote from a historian regarding the slave trade. Thanks Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk http://www.dressing-history.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 27 15:17:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4RJHrqu006338 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4RJHiA4009172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4RJHTtM045957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 May 2008 13:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RJHToX028844; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4QH9mQT075614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K0gCh-00015Z-LX for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:09:47 +0100 Message-ID: <68A1682813C64D6EBA4A5776E03218D5@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:01:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb5cf297-7a47-465b-af8b-db4a45495abe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483C5E58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know of any quotes or pictorial sources for what house maids or a ladies' maid would be wearing in the 1830s-40s? I have been asked to make servants' dress of this date for historical interpretation, and am trying to find a source to replicate which will challenge the black gown/white apron look, which our visitors seem to associate with them. Thanks Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk http://www.dressing-history.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 27 18:16:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4RMGqBc015172 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 18:16:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4RMGllr007131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 18:16:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4RMGJKS061848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 May 2008 16:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RMGCcM007719; Tue, 27 May 2008 16:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RJtQSR068595 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F61454E73 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:55:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A birmingham or burlingham gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c09dbf1-8b69-435d-864f-539f82d8f3ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483C884F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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De -----Original Message----- Does anyone know what a birmingham or burlingham gown is? A student has been in contact with me asking and I'm really not sure, I cant say I'd heard the term before. I can only assume it is made from fabric manufacted there? Apparently the reference comes from a quote from a historian regarding the slave trade. Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 27 18:17:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4RMHMmb015200 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 18:17:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4RMHGul021737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 18:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4RMGsQq061936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 May 2008 16:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RMGsmY008440; Tue, 27 May 2008 16:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4RJvmB4071030 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A94562ED94 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:57:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <68A1682813C64D6EBA4A5776E03218D5@SerenaPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f46bd7ac-c642-4396-b3c5-3ede9c56b07b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 483C886C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 28 15:44:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4SJikP1027472 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:44:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4SJiXmY028340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:44:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4SJhUHp047290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 May 2008 13:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SJhSa1056413; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SJhOTf056320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K1RYR-00013c-71 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 28 May 2008 20:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:35:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1bd1004-e64c-4558-8d6f-07b7123a0da3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 483DB621.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have been asked to make servants' dress of this date for historical interpretation, and am trying to find a source to replicate which will challenge the black gown/white apron look, which our visitors seem to associate with them. Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 28 15:45:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4SJjYQg027520 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:45:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4SJjPnA027602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:45:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4SJjCAq047494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SJjCYO058307; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SJj8ro058210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K1Ra7-0001BM-Rb for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 28 May 2008 20:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:36:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A birmingham or burlingham gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9f8fbfd-d836-490b-84bd-2122d0b6ff91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 483DB655.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Otherwise, could it be Burlington gown as I have heard this in passing but don't know anything about it/them? De -----Original Message----- Does anyone know what a birmingham or burlingham gown is? A student has been in contact with me asking and I'm really not sure, I cant say I'd heard the term before. I can only assume it is made from fabric manufacted there? Apparently the reference comes from a quote from a historian regarding the slave trade. Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 28 16:18:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4SKIhtb029557 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 16:18:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4SKIb2g010445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 16:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4SKGuTt050419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 May 2008 14:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SKGulR096095; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.106]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4SKGq9P095913 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0876.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.109]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E04C428083 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 22:16:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <483DBDAA.1090502@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:16:42 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <002701c8bd08$51aa6a50$57e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <002701c8bd08$51aa6a50$57e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31d1fd96-2c66-4ae0-90ad-515c4f87c36d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 483DBE1D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 May 2008 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aaaaaaaaahhh! Lovely!!!!! What a great inspiration. I ordered some beautiful pink satin 18th century shoes for my doll and she definitely needs a dress to go with them. Thanks! Deredere Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear Sharon Henderson. > Thanks for your post. > This is not anything about undergarments, but i am sure these wil be a big > inspiration to you, they are to me! > Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: > http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 > Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Henderson" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:54 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Questions on Louis XV (1760s) Costuming > > > >> Good morning all, >> >> Can anyone point me toward some historically-accurate web links or >> resources >> for clothing from the 1760s in France, during the reign of Louis XV? Some >> friends are planning a large-group cosplay gathering for the anime version >> of "Le Chevalier D'Eon", and while the costumes are for the most part only >> glancingly period, I'm going to be the obsessive one. *grins* >> >> I want to especially get the undergarments and layers correct, and fight >> as >> much of a good fight with the two gowns I've chosen in order to get them >> as >> close as possible to accurate--while still giving the "look" from the >> anime >> production. Right now I'm having little luck finding good corset and >> underpinnings links and/or books, and finding proper fabrics that would >> give >> the richness of a court costume to what are amazingly plain outfits in the >> anime has proven a challenge. If anyone's interested in knowing, I'm >> doing >> Mme. de Pompadour and making the outfit for a friend portraying King >> Louis. >> :) >> >> I would welcome any advice, assistance, links, etc. Bjarne, I've already >> sent the link for your site to the group--and their reactions to the >> gorgeousness of your work was everything anyone could hope for. *grins* >> They are in awe and wonder of you, as am I... :) >> >> Cheers, >> Sharon/Jasta >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 28 23:15:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4T3F3XQ021001 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 23:15:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4T3Erep011102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 23:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4T3EGmg078694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 May 2008 21:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4T3ED1b066323; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4T3E9GT066265 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FBD555074 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 22:14:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:14:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c34ecfb-c925-4471-b8b7-3e1041d18d08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 483E1FAD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 May 2008 23:14:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO These are from the google pictures This is probably 1700s but was told it was 1800s http://museumnetworkuk.org/portraits/artworks/holburne/large/img10.jpg typical maid attire http://tinyurl.com/4twjfy scroll through http://tinyurl.com/3t5ha4 late 1700s? http://www.prints-online.com/pictures_608630/SERVING-MAID-CHOCOLATE.jpg http://tinyurl.com/6jk2ky slavey? http://adamsmithlives.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/slavey_2.jpg hope this helps -----Original Message----- England primarily, but anything from eastern europe would be useful. Thanks Serena dressing-history.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 09:19:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TDJrEc012337 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TDJjp4017108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TDJHGv013241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 07:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TDJE42037046; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4TDJBbV036929 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10228 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2008 13:19:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zaw7yCQVM1lXf6aZuTHr3mgPwkxECUHMupqS7muql4y.cmQinmAGTlM136mgeSTYrcupuCZ.1IdHsfp4_91RmTsIOgFGlsbk2kFNF.hzYjBtac8eSt82mjKKxQ-- Received: from [67.168.141.155] by web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 06:19:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <226794.10152.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] testing.... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO =A0Haven't seen anything on the list since this message.JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir ----- Original Message ---- From: Cilean To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:13:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue Gottchalks has what they are calling "Traditional" cut and it has normal rise pants.=A0 I have been to Sears and they now have the same sort of pant version, so look for that type and perhaps? It is what you are looking for! Cilean = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 09:23:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TDNuIL012457 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:23:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TDNlQU019783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TDNV78013601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 07:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TDNUDW041328; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TDNQe0041160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2354 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K1i6C-0001yO-Kn for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 08:23:21 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080529142202.038fdf98@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:23:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <226794.10152.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <226794.10152.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] testing.... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 09:23:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:19 29/05/2008, you wrote: > Haven't seen anything on the list since this message.JonnaLyhn Wolfcat >aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Cilean >To: h-costume@indra.com >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:13:16 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Low Rise Issue > >Gottchalks has what they are calling "Traditional" cut and it has normal >rise pants. I have been to Sears and they now have the same sort of pant >version, so look for that type and perhaps? It is what you are looking for! > >Cilean Coo, a message from the future! The date is 22 June this year, and we are still in May! Oh, and I didn't get that message anyway. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 12:23:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TGNdQr021821 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:23:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TGN9Wl012824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:23:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TGMpXJ031288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 10:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TGMnFL051870; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TGMkiY051767 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.10] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1697063546 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 11:22:45 -0500 Message-ID: <04f601c8c1a8$3fe5f240$0aa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:22:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] book sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 695ddcdc-dcfa-4be6-a903-6be8e08a2fb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 483ED86D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 12:23:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://store.doverpublications.com/index.html Dover books is having a bargain bin sale. While browsing the sale titles, I noticed several books that might apply to recent H-Costume topics. One book written by a black butler in the Antebellum south, another on Military uniforms of the past and one on 18th century metal ornaments. Just FYI. I don't get commission and I can't vouch for the usefulness of the individual titles, but it's worth a quick search if there is something you've been looking for. I wanted some leather working books, but none of them are in the sale. I'm going to go back and look for some books on knights and their horses' appointments. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 14:15:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TIFRCB027358 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TIFK27031306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TIExj7042931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 12:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIEvuk093986; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIEqhj093793 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from marthao9k7jfc9 ([72.229.214.252]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080529181447.WBVV25858.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:14:47 +0000 From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcjBtgwGhkcWygB0RAOs3nn4koyxWQAAWWOA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080529181447.WBVV25858.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] I want to see the Louis Carrogis watercolors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66e7db33-ec7f-4548-b8e4-aef3e07d89ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483EF2B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd love to see these watercolors, but the link doesn't work for me and when I get to the web site all the error messages are in French. Can someone help me? Martha > Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: > http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E =2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 > Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 14:42:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TIgOF9028277 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:42:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TIgCGm011891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TIfuqR045591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 12:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIfu0I025684; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIfquV025512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:3570 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K1n4M-0003eb-JK for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 13:41:47 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080529194105.038d8d78@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:41:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20080529181447.WBVV25858.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@marthao 9k7jfc9> References: <20080529181447.WBVV25858.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] I want to see the Louis Carrogis watercolors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9111713-5539-4ffe-b9bd-af4677d84c8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 483EF904.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 14:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:15 29/05/2008, you wrote: >I'd love to see these watercolors, but the link doesn't work for me and when >I get to the web site all the error messages are in French. Can someone >help me? > >Martha > > > Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: > > >http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E >=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 > > Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! > > > > Bjarne >See if this works http://tinyurl.com/5k8w4v Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 14:43:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TIhGkD028321 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TIhBYr003562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TIgqCV045703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 12:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIgqvF026836; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TIgkSr026724 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080529184245.MIWT13735.fep51.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:45 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.81]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080529184245.ZRLH17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:45 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c8c1bb$c853cf40$5114a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080529181447.WBVV25858.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.81] at Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] I want to see the Louis Carrogis watercolors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6230bf81-1656-40a5-893a-8787e4a060fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 483EF93F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try this! http://tiny.cc/PLZOh Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] I want to see the Louis Carrogis watercolors > I'd love to see these watercolors, but the link doesn't work for me and > when > I get to the web site all the error messages are in French. Can someone > help me? > > Martha > >> Louis Carrogis made these water colours pictures of the french nobility: >> > http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchT.aspx?Round=2&Total=500&FP=17986705&E > =2K1KTS5GS7Q6&SID=2K1KTS5GS7Q6&New=T&Page=1 >> Mind you there are more than 500 prints!!! >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 29 19:36:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4TNaQBO010515 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 19:36:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4TNaKKm013580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 19:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4TNZgoG009243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 May 2008 17:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TNZcEm030314; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TNZXVH030236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K1ree-0007TG-Cy for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:35:32 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> In-Reply-To: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:27:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Ribbon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1f47ada-918e-4df5-be8e-107956053ff0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 483F3DF4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 May 2008 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anybody recommend a supplier of silk ribbons from the UK? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 03:31:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4U7Voer023546 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 03:31:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4U7VitH010201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 03:31:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4U7VIq7031710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 01:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4U7VDZE053965; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4U7VACu053883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1296 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K1z4r-000736-7t for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 May 2008 02:31:05 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080530082957.038c6e00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:30:55 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Virtual Sewing Machine Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 678c5fdc-0ed4-40f3-924f-95ead2a610f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 483FAD60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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For those of you who collect machines, or drool at the thought. http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 09:40:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UDerFO000947 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UDecSs006596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:40:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UDeC1s050007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 07:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UDe9WD045826; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UDe5dr045730 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080530134003.NSSZ23927.fep52.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:03 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.47]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080530134002.JRJ17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c8c25a$a87145a0$2fe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:39:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.47] at Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:01 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Ribbon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd11fa10-43b3-48fe-8310-d1caf97c0992 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484003D6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.londonbeadco.co.uk/ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena Dyer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Ribbon > Can anybody recommend a supplier of silk ribbons from the UK? > > Thanks > > Serena > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 10:40:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UEe6Iq002868 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UEe0Vw022809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UEdTrg054991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UEdTXu018193; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UEdQup018050 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.50]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 May 2008 07:39:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:39:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:39:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2008 14:39:21.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[F274BEE0:01C8C262] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Friday Puzzler - Painting Identification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55860389-cc4b-4272-9268-56ab94bae54f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484011C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://pics.livejournal.com/ada_doom/pic/0002wrpe/ Hi everyone, I have a small mystery for the collective mind here: I was contacted by a Luthier who used this painting as his inspiration for the construction of a new Lute. He would like to know the artist and the year of the painting. Other than 'Renaissance' he has no details and would like to know more. I'm finding this picture very interesting due to the details on some of the ladies gowns, the pleats, the puffy sleeves. Its not something I recall coming across before - but then this is an era I have not focused on much as yet. I plan on digging through the art archive I usually use for my research later this weekend to see what I can find, but I know there are folks here who specialize in this era, and might be able to narrow down the year and country for me. The Renaissance is a very big place. :0) Thanks in advance! Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 10:53:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UEruic003605 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 10:53:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UEroeC003898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 10:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UErYio056336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 08:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UErWgs035055; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UErUEW034887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1738 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K25yt-0003LB-IV for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:53:25 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080530155030.038ddb38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:53:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Friday Puzzler - Painting Identification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 218db072-1fe9-4db0-8144-22eef3581266 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484014FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 10:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 15:39 30/05/2008, you wrote: >http://pics.livejournal.com/ada_doom/pic/0002wrpe/ > >Hi everyone, I have a small mystery for the collective mind here: > >I was contacted by a Luthier who used this painting as his inspiration for >the construction of a new Lute. He would like to know the artist and the >year of the painting. Other than 'Renaissance' he has no details and would >like to know more. > >I'm finding this picture very interesting due to the details on some of the >ladies gowns, the pleats, the puffy sleeves. Its not something I recall >coming across before - but then this is an era I have not focused on much as >yet. > >I plan on digging through the art archive I usually use for my research >later this weekend to see what I can find, but I know there are folks here >who specialize in this era, and might be able to narrow down the year and >country for me. The Renaissance is a very big place. :0) The painting is by "Cossa", called "The Triumph of Venus", and was in the Schifanoia Palace, in Ferrara Italy, when used Elizabeth Birbari in "Dress in Italian Painting 1460-1500", published by John Murray in 1975. I am sorry I cannot give an exact date to the painting, but you should have enough information there to find it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 11:17:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UFHa1V004507 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:17:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UFHU6H025707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UFHAT7058265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 09:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UFHA96062697; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UFH7o2062519 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.201.130]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1O00FQ9T2OMBU7@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 May 2008 10:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:48 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00cd01c8c268$0fbe0d80$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Friday Puzzler - Painting Identification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95f6ea12-89b9-464f-8f21-6e867b7de697 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48401A8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 11:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The painting is from "The Allegory of the Months" by Francesco del Cossa, Italian, ca 1470. The picture you posted is of a group of figures in the upper right-hand corner of "The Allegory of April: Triumph of Venus". You can find the rest of it on Web Gallery of Art, under del Cossa: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 16:23:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UKNSXv015801 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UKNLpY008812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UKMr6K090700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 14:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UKMnju014405; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UKMkge014231 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from marthao9k7jfc9 ([72.229.214.252]) by hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080530202241.MITC12416.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:22:41 +0000 From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcjCf1Jzbzy0uF7IR5uYDFqvyYtwngAEhQOw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080530202241.MITC12416.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@marthao9k7jfc9> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Thank you for Louis! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: acedb6b1-20b2-4785-9a2f-1b59dd2842b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48406239.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Martha >See if this works http://tinyurl.com/5k8w4v Suzi Try this! http://tiny.cc/PLZOh Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 18:11:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UMBl7C019503 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UMBfnc015603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UMBMAH004371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 16:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UMBLjI032416; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UMBHlG032282 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080530221111.VYVJ26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:11 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id XyBB1Z0072wVAe002yBB84; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:11 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20080530082957.038c6e00@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <007401c8c2a2$0ffeb3a0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080530082957.038c6e00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjCJ0sgDH53jX9vRPmZWFRnq2tkFgAerYtA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virtual Sewing Machine Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38206da4-95db-42ac-bdce-d703abfcec82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48407B9D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 18:11:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cool site!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Virtual Sewing Machine Museum Someone posted this another place I go. For those of you who collect machines, or drool at the thought. http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 19:20:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4UNKSUp021991 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:20:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4UNKMDQ004970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4UNJpnd008397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 17:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UNJnF1088890; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UNJkEQ088780 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.180]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080530231826.TRUB21875.mta13.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4736945881164229BD90BB997A1353E6@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55A2BDBE7B954062A1A6AB1F8685037D@SerenaPC><7.0.1.0.2.20080530082957.038c6e00@suziclarke.co.uk> <007401c8c2a2$0ffeb3a0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <007401c8c2a2$0ffeb3a0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:19:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virtual Sewing Machine Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c71dfd62-6f16-4be0-8f4c-22b814bced88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48408BB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 19:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Such a cool site, thank you for posting! I went to the site and found out the the Singer sewing machine I got through Freecycle (yup, free) was made in 1940, and the Singer treadle machine I got at a local antique warehouse for $55.00 was made in 1898 (and it still works and is in beautiful condition). Thank you again! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Suzi Clarke > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:31 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Virtual Sewing Machine Museum > > > Someone posted this another place I go. For those of you who collect > machines, or drool at the thought. > > http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/ > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 20:54:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V0sH7E025673 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:54:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V0sAPJ027155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:54:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V0rg9t013457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 18:53:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V0rdMJ054884; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V0rZ5p054857 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1K2FLh27HV-0004Qb; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Y901UP+4lzzBouazUK8+3sk9rNzV9Hsx0rPL UjKgu5lAXXcYv/ljXKJg/q/vCQNveI9CZN8uwmxiMUwgyJwaBR sMRmwfPBL12dD2H7vN6rA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e41c984-ff07-4b12-9296-87c4c9a81db8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4840A1B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 20:54:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was typing the history of the coat & cloak industry from 1894. The follo= wing were the requirements for a model in 1894 from the book, Cole's Dictio= nary of Dry Goods. I thought it was funny when comparing model requiremen= ts for today. So could you be a model in 1894? "One of the most important if not the most responsible positions in a cloak= factory is that of the model, or "figure," and upon securing good ones dep= ends the prosperity of the establishment. The fact that women for the posi= tion of models are paid from $12 to $18 per week for comparatively easy wor= k is an indication that they cannot be had in great numbers. It requires n= o experience to be a model, but it does require natural grace and fine phys= ical proportions-in fact, "the female form divine." Good looks do not coun= t, though a show-room figure must have attractions and dress much better th= an the fitting-model in the workshop. Manufacturers as a rule require a wo= man of about 5 feet, 6 =BD inches in height. She seldom goes under that, b= ut sometimes half an inch more is desirable. The professional figure has a= natural grace about her that cannot be acquired by artificial means. Any = young woman who has the height mentioned above, a bust measurement of 36 in= ches, waist 24 inches, length of back from 16 =BD to 17 inches, arms 24 inc= hes, neck 12 =BD inches, hips 42 inches, and 13 =BD inches across the shoul= ders, is a perfect figure and can find steady employment in any cloak house= at any time she chooses. = = The show-room models generally have a contract for all the year round and a= re paid in full for the same, but they seldom have anything to do except in= January and February when the buyers flock to market for the purchase of s= pring goods, and in July and August when they lay in a supply of fall and w= inter wraps. The workroom models are always kept busy. They are the harde= st worked of any in the establishment, for upon her is tried twice at least= every garment turned out. The sample, or trying-on model must be the most= perfect. She, too, is compelled to toil the year round. Large houses emp= loy from 12 to 15 models." Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 21:08:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V18W1K026125 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:08:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V18QFJ018994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:08:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V18Bbp014095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V18AHT064573; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V187iZ064487 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887FA1146E9 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:08:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4840B2F6.8030307@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3dac30f-8410-4219-b2bd-b9a1f81eba46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4840A50A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 22:07:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V27mYh028188 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:07:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V27hW4005004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:07:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V27Mds016585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V27KOD001977; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V27Iqh001939 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1K2GV137Jw-0003a1; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c8c2c2$cff9aeb0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:04:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18xGByUGoU2G3aSdoRa1uqO2AQNz64T/SyRBqt 0AXTjxwudVGw6yPLlU0z9nNmDntzQLBby+uwLXj3JAyfo4fqUn BIm0lzrA2wI7jvoH1D4ww== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Open House X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebe25d2f-2ae1-4f70-981d-2b9318bc8633 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4840B2EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 22:07:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We are having an open house to all The Costume Gallery's websites from today through June 2. All areas will be FREE to access except the Costume Classroom. Below you will find a list of our websites associated with our online Reference Library, www.costumelibrary.com . LIBRARY PASSWORDS: Login: cg2003 Password: ccr6972 If you have a problem with the passwords, please email me privately. Library's Slideshows: http://www.costumeslideshows.com/ : 11 slideshows with 535 images. The passwords are the same as for the Library. ____________________________ Fashion Color Database (FCD) http://www.fcdatabase.com Over 2100 entries of color names and their trends, definitions, or usage. The passwords for the FCD: ccr6972 . Do not use the login ***cg2003*** like for the Library. ____________________________ Costume Encyclopedia: www.costumeencyclopedia.com Over 830 entries and 407 images of costume descriptions and definitions. ____________________________ Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 30 23:54:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V3stPG032085 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 23:54:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V3snWZ022512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 23:54:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V3sINn021036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 21:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V3sFp1061902; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V3sCfw061833 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-EMAIL-CGPAV: Scanned X-AUS-EMAIL-Server: EMAIL Received: from [209.145.160.99] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.9) with HTTP id 55690059 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:54:07 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.9 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:54:07 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad18042b-36f6-48ac-897b-63c3473416cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4840CC09.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 May 2008 23:54:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Holy cow! I'm too short for them, but models are usually = taller. I have the right bust and hips, but no way is my = waist that tiny - and when it was many years ago the rest = of me was also much tinier. Ay yi yi! Karen On Fri, 30 May 2008 20:51:16 -0400 "Penny Ladnier" wrote: > I was typing the history of the coat & cloak industry = >from 1894. The following were the requirements for a = >model in 1894 from the book, Cole's Dictionary of Dry = >Goods. I thought it was funny when comparing model = >requirements for today. So could you be a model in 1894? > = > "One of the most important if not the most responsible = >positions in a cloak factory is that of the model, or = >"figure," and upon securing good ones depends the = >prosperity of the establishment. The fact that women for = >the position of models are paid from $12 to $18 per week = >for comparatively easy work is an indication that they = >cannot be had in great numbers. It requires no = >experience to be a model, but it does require natural = >grace and fine physical proportions-in fact, "the female = >form divine." Good looks do not count, though a = >show-room figure must have attractions and dress much = >better than the fitting-model in the workshop. = > Manufacturers as a rule require a woman of about 5 feet, = >6 =BD inches in height. She seldom goes under that, but = >sometimes half an inch more is desirable. The = >professional figure has a natural grace about her that = >cannot be acquired by artificial means. Any young woman = >who has the height mentioned above, a bust measurement of = >36 inches, waist 24 inches, length of back from 16 =BD to = >17 inches, arms 24 inches, neck 12 =BD inches, hips 42 = >inches, and 13 =BD inches across the shoulders, is a = >perfect figure and can find steady employment in any = >cloak house at any time she chooses. = > = > = > = > The show-room models generally have a contract for all = >the year round and are paid in full for the same, but = >they seldom have anything to do except in January and = >February when the buyers flock to market for the purchase = >of spring goods, and in July and August when they lay in = >a supply of fall and winter wraps. The workroom models = >are always kept busy. They are the hardest worked of any = >in the establishment, for upon her is tried twice at = >least every garment turned out. The sample, or trying-on = >model must be the most perfect. She, too, is compelled = >to toil the year round. Large houses employ from 12 to = >15 models." > = > = > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 00:06:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V46jBE000314 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:06:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V46eoq015750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:06:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V46Thl021567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 May 2008 22:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V46TYT068664; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V46Qok068596 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (246.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.246]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20080531040620112007902ke>; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c8c2d3$abb6efc0$f6b14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:06:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6947b12-1bf6-4d2b-8470-f2142e023cf4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4840CED0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 00:06:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO About 45 to 50 years ago I could have but that was before three kids and = quitting smoking. Margaret On Fri, 30 May 2008 20:51:16 -0400 "Penny Ladnier" wrote: > I was typing the history of the coat & cloak industry >from 1894. The following were the requirements for a >model in 1894 from the book, Cole's Dictionary of Dry >Goods. I thought it was funny when comparing model >requirements for today. So could you be a model in 1894? > > "One of the most important if not the most responsible >positions in a cloak factory is that of the model, or >"figure," and upon securing good ones depends the >prosperity of the establishment. The fact that women for >the position of models are paid from $12 to $18 per week >for comparatively easy work is an indication that they >cannot be had in great numbers. It requires no >experience to be a model, but it does require natural >grace and fine physical proportions-in fact, "the female >form divine." Good looks do not count, though a >show-room figure must have attractions and dress much >better than the fitting-model in the workshop. > Manufacturers as a rule require a woman of about 5 feet, >6 =BD inches in height. She seldom goes under that, but >sometimes half an inch more is desirable. The >professional figure has a natural grace about her that >cannot be acquired by artificial means. Any young woman >who has the height mentioned above, a bust measurement of >36 inches, waist 24 inches, length of back from 16 =BD to >17 inches, arms 24 inches, neck 12 =BD inches, hips 42 >inches, and 13 =BD inches across the shoulders, is a >perfect figure and can find steady employment in any >cloak house at any time she chooses. > > > > The show-room models generally have a contract for all >the year round and are paid in full for the same, but >they seldom have anything to do except in January and >February when the buyers flock to market for the purchase >of spring goods, and in July and August when they lay in >a supply of fall and winter wraps. The workroom models >are always kept busy. They are the hardest worked of any >in the establishment, for upon her is tried twice at >least every garment turned out. The sample, or trying-on >model must be the most perfect. She, too, is compelled >to toil the year round. Large houses employ from 12 to >15 models." > > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 02:50:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V6oigF027677 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:50:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V6ocgi003183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V6oFdA028229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 00:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V6oDQV057903; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V6oB18057879 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so118769ywe.71 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 23:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.156.17 with SMTP id i17mr3593865ybo.234.1212216611358; Fri, 30 May 2008 23:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm702442yxs.5.2008.05.30.23.50.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 May 2008 23:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 01:50:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7870ea51-4bd7-4924-aee3-b0eb7888fc75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4840F53E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 02:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Heim" > I have the right bust and hips, but no way is my > waist that tiny - and when it was many years ago > the rest of me was also much tinier. Ay yi yi! Hey, it only said that the _grace_ could not be acquired by artificial means. It didn't say that the measurements couldn't! -E House (has the 42" hips, at least...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 03:27:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V7ReCH000792 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:27:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V7RYV7015218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V7RJjA029784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 01:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V7RH0D081680; Sat, 31 May 2008 01:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V7RFmc081652 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 01:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1K2LUf2Agm-0004MG; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00ad01c8c2ef$82d3f3c0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> <39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 03:24:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+eDjmtPdXxbBV0LzdL9MlU0ApPAFWJvNUcy60 mUg6zTV151ihHowJG53xuyFhxNv9HDyXQgK3wWxnI2A0GJ5ySM kNdJ1lbvQq6UYo0/qQKiA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88674d74-035f-4c4d-9a62-7ca352ee013b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4840FDE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 03:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well I have the bust and hips measurements! But not the height and waist. I think I was 5' 6" in fifth grade. By 6th grade I was heading to 5' 11". I grew a lot that year. The hips came from that time of life and my was size was 24 before son #4. E-house at least you have grace...not me! BTW, E-house are you a princess with all that grace? Fashion designer Jean Patou is actually the one who is responsible for tall thin models. He brought six, 6-foot tall American models to Paris. He paraded the models around wherever he went in Paris. Of course, they were wearing his latest creations. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 04:04:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V84iVq003583 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:04:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V84bXg031366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V835sl031240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 02:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V8325Q005254; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V830vn005221 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so126192ywe.71 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr9440351ybm.167.1212220973790; Sat, 31 May 2008 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm782006yxk.4.2008.05.31.01.02.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 May 2008 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8EEB691AFE744218B546ECBDBCAC5BD7@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop><39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> <00ad01c8c2ef$82d3f3c0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 03:02:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d56bc121-5a50-45df-a6c7-cbe01d4cda4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48410695.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 04:04:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" > BTW, E-house are you a princess with all that grace? Hey, I never said I had grace--just 42" hips! My point was that the description didn't rule out using artificial means to achieve the _physical_ measurements. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 05:22:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4V9MFG3015966 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:22:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4V9M9nU021876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:22:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4V9KRkq034668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 03:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V9KP88053715; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V9KNUo053685 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1K2NG90reC-0003eP; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:20:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00b401c8c2ff$50b2c000$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop><39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub><00ad01c8c2ef$82d3f3c0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> <8EEB691AFE744218B546ECBDBCAC5BD7@compaqub> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 05:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+xnWsNOXLdFiTVFpNp4QSz/4YU9pYdS+/36EJ d0adCxbz1vE8elXr6HS0zsdNK+w0h1MUhiCBkqvUg3AD6ZGLPQ k63kWCeImPsFhxpSD9Fgg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73e59f55-9ab4-4b1c-8f6b-b5390ec953ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484118C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 05:22:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO E-house, Okay...but I will give you grace! so you can be the model today! There is no way I can get shorter. Mentioning artificial enhancements...at this moment I am putting slides online of a beautiful bodice from 1895-1897. It has built-in bust enhancements. The descriptions are not there at this moment but go to www.costumeslideshows.com and click on the VCU slideshow for 1890s ladies' fashions. The first bodice, slides 17-19 show the enhancements. I just loaded this bodice's photos and in the process of numbering them. These are not really shields for under the arms, but go across the bustline. They are heavily padded. The passwords to the site for the free weekend are: Login: cg2003 Password: ccr6972 I also have photos from the VCU collection of a beautiful early 1960s evening gown with enhancements made in the bust. It will be awhile before I have it online. The dress is very Marilyn Monroe skin tight style. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Ladnier" >> BTW, E-house are you a princess with all that grace? > > Hey, I never said I had grace--just 42" hips! My point was that the > description didn't rule out using artificial means to achieve the > _physical_ > measurements. > > -E House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 09:10:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VDAVcZ009787 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:10:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VDAPew016187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VD9qrW047459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 07:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VD9m2e006676; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VD9hf0006598 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB80FC0379 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:09:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1uJsWfTQ0th for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:09:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from user4712b7d135 (ppp-82.63.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.63.82]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B54EC0375 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:09:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <68A1682813C64D6EBA4A5776E03218D5@SerenaPC> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:09:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71f3651c-25e4-4f49-adea-3f65058b693c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48414E41.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 09:10:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's not quite 1840s but here's a fashion plate from 1852 showing a nurse http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/pics/1852_4.shtml (presumably a nurse would wear similar clothes to a maid) I think a dark coloured wool in a somewhat conservative cut (nobody likes their servants dressing above their station) would be the most sensible style for somebody who is doing potentially messy work (unless it was so messy you would want a cotton wash dress) a cap was a badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned them (even into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in restaurants wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads). Clean, starched, white aprons were also important for female servants when they were 'on display' in a sense (e.g. when answering the door or serving visitors) as another badge of servitude it showed their status and that they hadn't been doing any messy work (or at least not recently). I know this is later than your period, but Isabella Beeton's book of household management outlines the duties of various servants and sometimes includes references to clothing http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/beeton/isabella/household/chapter41.html You may also find images of servants in the background in some royal portraits http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=AAPICTURES&row=0 HTH Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena Dyer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants > Does anyone know of any quotes or pictorial sources for what house maids > or a ladies' maid would be wearing in the 1830s-40s? I have been asked to > make servants' dress of this date for historical interpretation, and am > trying to find a source to replicate which will challenge the black > gown/white apron look, which our visitors seem to associate with them. > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer > http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk > http://www.dressing-history.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 12:14:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VGEXE5017223 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:14:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VGERgg012063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VG3xWr057885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 10:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VG3v1j034095; Sat, 31 May 2008 10:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VG3rAU033988 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 10:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4VG3XiR003578 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 16:03:47 GMT Message-ID: <001001c8c337$e1ed1dd0$3938d846@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f868b1f4-d0a9-4af0-8206-2712993488a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48417963.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 12:14:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you looked at "The Workwoman's Guide" by a Lady? It was published originally in 1838, and republished in 1986 by Opus Publications. On page 110 of my copy is a description (with a tiny pattern elsewhere) of a "High Full Gown, to open in front" ... "particularly suitable for house-maids, dairy or kitchen maids, chair [char?] and washerwomen;" I'm betting there are other descriptions, but I'm not finding them at the moment. Regards, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com > Does anyone know of any quotes or pictorial sources for what house maids > or a ladies' maid would be wearing in the 1830s-40s? I have been asked to > make servants' dress of this date for historical interpretation, and am > trying to find a source to replicate which will challenge the black > gown/white apron look, which our visitors seem to associate with them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 13:22:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VHMc2C020458 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:22:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VHMWNX004995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VHM7rW062225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 11:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VHM4Bt093551; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:22:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VHM2qs093491 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78E17550BE for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:22:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:22:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 511bf821-baad-4b31-a84f-a526e03aaf8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48418958.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would think that a nurse would probably have worn something to identify her profession from a maid or servant. What about the BBC series "upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) or did they have the sterio type uniforms? There should be several BBC series that show maids in uniforms. -----Original Message----- It's not quite 1840s but here's a fashion plate from 1852 showing a nurse http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/pics/1852_4.shtml (presumably a nurse would wear similar clothes to a maid) I think a dark coloured wool in a somewhat conservative cut (nobody likes their servants dressing above their station) would be the most sensible style for somebody who is doing potentially messy work (unless it was so messy you would want a cotton wash dress) a cap was a badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned them (even into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in restaurants wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads). Clean, starched, white aprons were also important for female servants when they were 'on display' in a sense (e.g. when answering the door or serving visitors) as another badge of servitude it showed their status and that they hadn't been doing any messy work (or at least not recently). I know this is later than your period, but Isabella Beeton's book of household management outlines the duties of various servants and sometimes includes references to clothing http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/beeton/isabella/household/chapter41.h tml You may also find images of servants in the background in some royal portraits http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=AAPICTURES& row=0 HTH Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 13:31:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VHVYit020855 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:31:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VHVDVC009939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:31:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VHTqwB062538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 11:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VHTqBY099401; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m4VHTmiq099285 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEEDCZ3ATAJUCS for (sender ); Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn70CvVWwGJta1sE0juLEnMaY6J2Y/vDVm+w== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NLJPGNQM; Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:14 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:28:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:28:49 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080531.122849.7758.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3833340577 X-MAIL-INFO: 24e5cc4c1128ad5975392828d1b9d131c575059c9d95ac6cb1ec55f178e56578fc7d21fc6d2179296dd96859c85d889c558dc1f1699cf109151c2c09097d8109453dac3525cce9016d6df9adada828a8d9a9a8dddd481861386d35ed31f8cd85bc4185f93135ed9981f5311111e8f5a97c5ddc5c8c11f59dddd8a8c86878a9d191d998c1f15d083815896cbd291d294c49a54c49e12c49e1f16c150d5581ece50d08ac35ec45080565e9082100b1bd5cbd01f9e18d49bd2c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceb5a797-6b07-47be-9f1b-5d58a1d768b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48418B61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This period is before Florence Nightingale gave nursing it's prestige. Before her work in the Crimean War, nursing was not a particularly skilled or important job- most women did it more or less by default. I doubt there would have been an identifiable uniform for a nurse in the 1840's. Karen Seamstrix -- "otsisto" wrote: I would think that a nurse would probably have worn something to identify her profession from a maid or servant. What about the BBC series "upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) or did they have the sterio type uniforms? There should be several BBC series that show maids in uniforms. -----Original Message----- It's not quite 1840s but here's a fashion plate from 1852 showing a nurse http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/pics/1852_4.shtml (presumably a nurse would wear similar clothes to a maid) I think a dark coloured wool in a somewhat conservative cut (nobody likes their servants dressing above their station) would be the most sensible style for somebody who is doing potentially messy work (unless it was so messy you would want a cotton wash dress) a cap was a badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned them (even into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in restaurants wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads). Clean, starched, white aprons were also important for female servants when they were 'on display' in a sense (e.g. when answering the door or serving visitors) as another badge of servitude it showed their status and that they hadn't been doing any messy work (or at least not recently). I know this is later than your period, but Isabella Beeton's book of household management outlines the duties of various servants and sometimes includes references to clothing http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/beeton/isabella/household/chapter41.h tml You may also find images of servants in the background in some royal portraits http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=AAPICTURES& row=0 HTH Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ Save on Moving Supplies. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:22 31/05/2008, you wrote: >I would think that a nurse would probably have worn something to identify >her profession from a maid or servant. What about the BBC series >"upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) or did they have the sterio >type uniforms? There should be several BBC series that show maids in >uniforms. > >-----Original Message----- >It's not quite 1840s but here's a fashion plate from 1852 showing a nurse >http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/pics/1852_4.shtml (presumably a nurse would >wear similar clothes to a maid) I think a dark coloured wool in a somewhat >conservative cut (nobody likes their servants dressing above their station) >would be the most sensible style for somebody who is doing potentially messy >work (unless it was so messy you would want a cotton wash dress) a cap was a >badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned them (even >into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in restaurants >wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads). Clean, starched, >white aprons were also important for female servants when they were 'on >display' in a sense (e.g. when answering the door or serving visitors) as >another badge of servitude it showed their status and that they hadn't been >doing any messy work (or at least not recently). >I know this is later than your period, but Isabella Beeton's book of >household management outlines the duties of various servants and sometimes >includes references to clothing >http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/beeton/isabella/household/chapter41.h >tml >You may also find images of servants in the background in some royal >portraits >http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=AAPICTURES& >row=0 >HTH >Elizabeth The fashion plate is not actually of a nurse, but a nursemaid, and as such is not the same as a household servant. She ranks alongside a lady's maid, and although she is wearing dark clothing, was not expected to wear uniform. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Occupational-Costume-England-Eleventh-Century/dp/B00166AA20/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212255187&sr=1-8 This should have the information you require. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 13:39:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VHdibb021157 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:39:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VHdcSf017446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:39:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VHdKFZ063026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 11:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VHdK7j006893; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VHdHNc006782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:4566 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2V2t-0003rG-Re for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531183456.038d0820@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:39:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20080531.122849.7758.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> References: <20080531.122849.7758.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dc3c7f3-1b91-4288-8a0a-7808db79dad9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48418D5A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:28 31/05/2008, you wrote: >This period is before Florence Nightingale gave nursing it's >prestige. Before her work in the Crimean War, nursing was not a >particularly skilled or important job- most women did it more or >less by default. I doubt there would have been an identifiable >uniform for a nurse in the 1840's. During the Crimean War nurses at Scutari did not wear uniforms, as you say. They wore clean white aprons as a sign of their profession, which was not considered respectable, in most places. (A new biography on her has just been shown on British TV, which, of course I missed, but there were articles in several papers/magazines.) Uniforms were, I believe a later innovation, when the Nightingale School was instituted at St. Thomas's Hospital in London, when Miss Nightingale returned from the Crimea. Suzi > >Karen >Seamstrix > >-- "otsisto" wrote: >I would think that a nurse would probably have worn something to identify >her profession from a maid or servant. What about the BBC series >"upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) or did they have the sterio >type uniforms? There should be several BBC series that show maids in >uniforms. > >-----Original Message----- >It's not quite 1840s but here's a fashion plate from 1852 showing a nurse >http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/pics/1852_4.shtml (presumably a nurse would >wear similar clothes to a maid) I think a dark coloured wool in a somewhat >conservative cut (nobody likes their servants dressing above their station) >would be the most sensible style for somebody who is doing potentially messy >work (unless it was so messy you would want a cotton wash dress) a cap was a >badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned them (even >into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in restaurants >wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads). Clean, starched, >white aprons were also important for female servants when they were 'on >display' in a sense (e.g. when answering the door or serving visitors) as >another badge of servitude it showed their status and that they hadn't been >doing any messy work (or at least not recently). >I know this is later than your period, but Isabella Beeton's book of >household management outlines the duties of various servants and sometimes >includes references to clothing >http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/beeton/isabella/household/chapter41.h >tml >You may also find images of servants in the background in some royal >portraits >http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=AAPICTURES& >row=0 >HTH >Elizabeth > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >____________________________________________________________ >Save on Moving Supplies. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 14:16:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/2008 1:30:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, penhalion@juno.com writes: upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) **************** "Upstairs/Downstairs" takes place in the 20th century. Like 1908, 1910, 1912, or both....it ran a long time. By then each servant position had it's own uniform, just about. I remember an episode where one of the chambermaids is promoted to Nursemaid. She is ridiculed for wearing her special uniform, proudly, before she has actually taken over the position. And it's "too late" not "to late".... but you knew that. I would think [though I'm guessing from what I know....and you want documentation] the cut of a maid's gown would be practical [open CF, not too full a skirt] with all the aprons, sleeve guards and what-nots she needed to do her job. Fabrics would be dark or grey and washable...unless she was answering the door and then she might have a plain silk. But not a real uniform. Of course manservants usually dealt with the public I think....y'know, the butler answering the door. Then there are the "Great" households. Would they still have livery? A la 18th century? Just for the evening or also during the day? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 15:35:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VJZRZh026828 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:35:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VJZKMe029790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VJYpbl068647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 13:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VJYnBQ091695; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VJYkbb091600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:4724 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2Wqf-0006W0-06 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:34:41 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531202812.039159e0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:34:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc59400c-879b-4a17-88a9-8aaa378baa63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4841A878.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 15:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:15 31/05/2008, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/31/2008 1:30:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >penhalion@juno.com writes: > >upstairs/downstairs" (this might be to late) > > >**************** > >"Upstairs/Downstairs" takes place in the 20th century. Like 1908, 1910, >1912, or both....it ran a long time. By then each servant position >had it's own >uniform, just about. I remember an episode where one of the chambermaids is >promoted to Nursemaid. She is ridiculed for wearing her special uniform, >proudly, before she has actually taken over the position. > >And it's "too late" not "to late".... but you knew that. > >I would think [though I'm guessing from what I know....and you want >documentation] the cut of a maid's gown would be practical [open CF, >not too full a >skirt] with all the aprons, sleeve guards and what-nots she needed to do her >job. Fabrics would be dark or grey and washable...unless she was >answering the >door and then she might have a plain silk. But not a real uniform. Of course >manservants usually dealt with the public I think....y'know, the butler >answering the door. > >Then there are the "Great" households. Would they still have livery? A la >18th century? Just for the evening or also during the day? The British Royal Household servants still wear uniform, livery and all for State occasions - think Coronation, Royal Wedding, coaches for the State Opening of Parliament etc. In Queen Victoria's day the men servants wore the equivalent of black morning suits, with cutaway coats - there are photos. (It was sometimes difficult to tell the butler from the Lord!!) Many of the great households have had photos of their servants, all of whom would have worn some "kind" of uniform, such as aprons for the gardeners, caps and aprons for maids etc. However, for the date required it is highly unlikely these photos would be of any help, although uniform is very "fossilised". Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 16:04:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VK4Chr028578 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 16:04:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VK46Q8010019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 16:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VK3eaS069817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 14:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VK3efk011351; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VK3b52011261 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-EMAIL-CGPAV: Scanned X-AUS-EMAIL-Server: EMAIL Received: from [209.145.160.99] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.9) with HTTP id 55761932 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:03:32 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.9 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop> <39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35ff61f2-a85d-4522-b204-bb77c0dc7a5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4841AF36.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Even using artificial means, there's no way I could get down to 24". I don't compress that much - especially as short-waisted as I am. This does explain the look of the fashion illustrations, and why I always thought I was never going to recreate that look - I can't! The killer is that some people could/still can! Karen On Sat, 31 May 2008 01:50:11 -0500 "Exstock" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Heim" >> I have the right bust and hips, but no way is my >> waist that tiny - and when it was many years ago >> the rest of me was also much tinier. Ay yi yi! > > > Hey, it only said that the _grace_ could not be acquired >by artificial > means. It didn't say that the measurements couldn't! > > -E House (has the 42" hips, at least...) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 17:19:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4VLJfLA032509 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 17:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4VLJXk6014746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 17:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4VLJ2x0073427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 15:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VLIxLR065148; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:18:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4VLIwEF065121 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so249117ywe.71 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr11184337ybb.206.1212268737579; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1607559yxq.8.2008.05.31.14.18.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 May 2008 14:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <840879A7A0174533AE75474D6C8AFEE9@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c8c2b8$84765e20$8401a8c0@momlaptop><39839569D6A54621AC20CED49790186F@compaqub> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Could you be a model in 1894??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 032e747d-037a-4d6c-aa69-71b8c53b8093 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4841C0E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm also terminally outta luck--5'10" and just can't win. Too fat to be a model today, too tall to be a model any other time. (And you'd think that what with models today being 7' tall, it'd be a bit easier to find clothing for tall people...) The great thing about being into historical costume, though, is you can always find some era that really works well with your figure. Pretty much every figure has been fashionable somewhere sometime! It's very liberating. I've caught myself wanting to gain weight many times. I look at doughnuts and think, well, I do want to fit into those old comfy jeans again, but think how smashing I'd look in an Italian Ren if I invited it and all its little round friends into my stomach. (Actually, now that I think about it, a lot of the historical styles designed for skinny people wind up looking best on more substantial people. Like Franco-Flemish late 14th/early 15thC cotes; sure, they were designed for the waifish splindly armed set, but you stuff a belly and some triple Fs into a bust supporting fitted cote and WOW.) -E House mmmmm.... doughnuts.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 21:16:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m511GSUX010647 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:16:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m511BNKf010415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:16:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m511Aw4T084167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 19:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m511Asix005119; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m511ArrM005110 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so471725wfg.23 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.41.5 with SMTP id t5mr1230162wfj.216.1212282653165; Sat, 31 May 2008 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:10:53 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceb4b07f-3e95-485b-8da7-b0245954eece X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4841F73B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 21:16:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However, I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English late 17th Century. I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time. The picture of my gown is at http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v252/251/81/533339547/n533339547_417939_7562.jpg Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 22:57:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m512vJnY014664 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 22:57:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m512qEMO019086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 22:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m512pmSH088378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 20:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m512pl3r060052; Sat, 31 May 2008 20:51:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m512piiN059975 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 20:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YDWS1Z0050vp7WLA912v00; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:51:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YSrd1Z0054jAXBL8R00000; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:51:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LpQ8vDCffLddSjOClqgA:9 a=-kwtEW2g3AVMi06YTVwlHyU2DDAA:4 a=WcGY3-TIXCwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531183037.038e7c78@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531183037.038e7c78@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-Id: <594DC95B-B4CA-4886-A704-86C127630F88@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:50:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 722d5515-a3dd-448b-8641-ad1451418de5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48420EDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 22:57:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> a cap was a >> badge of servitude for many years after other women had abandoned >> them (even >> into the early 20th century you see maids and waitresses in >> restaurants >> wearing some sort of remnant of a cap on their heads) I can recall most waitresses wearing caps and aprons well into the 1960's, in rural California. I think nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol, though. I believe each nursing school had its own cap design. I remember being in the hospital as a child, in 1967 or so, and being entranced with one nurse whose cap was a frilly little lampshade thing. I remember her saying it was a real pain to iron. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 31 23:36:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m513aNuH016595 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:36:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m513VHqM026503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m513UDpF090111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 21:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m513UDnb081113; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m513UAuY081026 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080601033004.FOVC5653.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:30:04 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([97.87.60.70]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080601033004.AYX3194.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:30:04 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c8c397$c89587e0$6901a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AcjDl8fvEnYhbJndSk280UGWozqSBw== X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] help please! need of 16th century shirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd8717f8-d667-4cbe-9afe-ee3d315861e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48421805.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 May 2008 23:36:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anyone help? I have someone in need of 16th century woman's high-necked smock who does not sew well. I probably do not have time to make one for her. In a quick scan online, I wasn't happy with what I was seeing. Does anyone know of a reputable source with good historic shirts at a reasonable price? Thanks! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume