From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 01:50:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m515owkS023096 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:50:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m515kPXS000543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:50:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m515k2uJ095146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2008 23:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m515jxGe052056; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m515jtAh051970 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.245.146.206] by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2gO5-0002KV-68 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:45:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <68A1682813C64D6EBA4A5776E03218D5@SerenaPC> References: <68A1682813C64D6EBA4A5776E03218D5@SerenaPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:45:48 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a412671dd098f3a2a870242805f345da46350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.206 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484237B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Reading various posts makes me more confident that this suggestion might be helpful: try looking at the illustrations to Charles Dickens' novels. David Copperfield is, if I recall correctly, 1850, but much of it is set earlier, in David's boyhood and adolescence, making the "period" of the illustrations 1820-1840. Several other novels AND The Pickwick Papers are earlier. The illustrations, mostly by Phiz, are wonderful, and show characters of many classes and callings. I'd bet there's a lady's maid or a housemaid, or both, in there somewhere. Sorry don't have online sources, but any library would have the books. And speaking of books, is London Labour and the London Poor too early? I associate it with Dickens' time but might be wrong. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 26, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Serena Dyer wrote: > Does anyone know of any quotes or pictorial sources for what house > maids or a ladies' maid would be wearing in the 1830s-40s? I have > been asked to make servants' dress of this date for historical > interpretation, and am trying to find a source to replicate which > will challenge the black gown/white apron look, which our visitors > seem to associate with them. > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer > http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk > http://www.dressing-history.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 03:47:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m517lVYG027258 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:47:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m517gQnR019614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m517a3sY098694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m517a1gs011117; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m517ZvN5011084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m517Zud0009207 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:35:57 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d7d2678-5bd9-4bf7-858f-1a4adee04e35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484252E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W 0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 04:51:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m518psId007385 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 04:51:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m518mRRf005382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 04:51:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m518lngb001178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m518liSr052479; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m518lfqE052457 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DA71E55115 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:47:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cc8fc63-87c2-4caf-a07c-cb8100d667c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4842625B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:51:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You are right that is not Anne Boleyn. smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste. http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 It could also be Spanish -----Original Message----- I have this bad habit of finding portraits that I like on the web and then forgetting where I saw them. Can someone help me with this one? The person selling it on e-bay labeled it as Anne Boleyn, but not possible. I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W 0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 05:02:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5192iOW008060 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:02:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m518vaMB029499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:02:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m518vKdv001551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m518vKiA060983; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m518vGPq060918 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080601085715.XBEZ13735.fep51.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:57:15 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.232]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080601085715.BGBS17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8c3c5$7bf3fba0$e814a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:57:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.232] at Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:57:14 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 695ef8da-3467-41ec-b0af-cf4934e4e7e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48426480.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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For those who would like to see it, its here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 05:34:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m519Yewl009896 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:34:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m519YXso009331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m519YFc5003097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m519YEdu084017; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m519YDxS083988 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 03:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so331351ywe.71 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.79.32 with SMTP id c32mr6710670ybb.154.1212312852596; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2420515yxs.5.2008.06.01.02.34.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 04:34:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a77a8dcc-3ed7-4709-ba2a-ef860a116aca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48426D29.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:34:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it could just be posthumous. ...and, it looks like that may be the case. It's attributed to Marcus Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait. Since he painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 07:23:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51BNIXt026255 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51BIBWg023839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51BHuTr017341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51BHuOY060481; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51BHrvn060454 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so166669ugc.17 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.87.18 with SMTP id p18mr57339ugl.43.1212319072231; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 04:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:17:51 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7597e523-89ea-4715-ab60-a31eedb081a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48428573.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:23:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 > Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it > could just be posthumous. > > ...and, it looks like that may be the case. It's attributed to Marcus > Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait. Since he > painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it. Where did you see the attribution? Just curious as I didn't see it on the auction. It's definitely not Anne, she's wearing distinctly post 1600 Spanish dress so is from the Spanish or Austrian Court. I'm not sure if I came across this particular portrait on an auction site or Bildindex. My files are huge and haven't been orderd from across three HDDs so I'm not sure where I have that one either. I think it was bildindex but I cannot access the site right now. http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/late.htm But the style is definitely in line with those images I collected a while back. She is very much in the style of Pantoja de la Cruz: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/cruz_juan_pantoja_de_la.html http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/p/pantoja/index.html http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11.516 The softness and roundness of the way her features have been painted as well as the style of dress. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 07:29:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51BTdrY026641 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:29:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51BTXZr010016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51BTMsv017834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51BTLJQ068754; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51BTKh3068731 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so341855ywe.71 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.111.15 with SMTP id o15mr6496700ybm.166.1212319760084; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm2541302yxk.4.2008.06.01.04.29.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51E16CC3D38E4318BDE57481949EBCD8@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:29:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b67ca287-9e12-4873-a490-4c8fd1556bb8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4842881D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Not saying that it's definitely true; just that the only places I found that attributed the image to anyone said Gheeraerts. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 10:40:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51Ee9T8005925 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:40:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51Ee1Vd009627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51EdbKp027505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51EdXe8094214; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51EdWLm094187 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so175520ugc.17 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.7 with SMTP id k7mr1471973ugj.22.1212331171068; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806010739w75d96e69u8e3677fbe8cf5c6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:39:30 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <51E16CC3D38E4318BDE57481949EBCD8@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> <51E16CC3D38E4318BDE57481949EBCD8@compaqub> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fd66395-6de7-4bb6-b4d1-ac372b51763c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4842B4C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > No, that wasn't in the auction description--it's the result of Google > searching. Not saying that it's definitely true; just that the only places > I found that attributed the image to anyone said Gheeraerts. http://www.marileecody.com/sixwivesimages.html At the bottom it is listed as being by Frans Pourbus :) And it is much more in his style- Pantoja, Coello and Pourbus at one stage get very close to each other in some portraits. Coello tends to be more rigid and restrained while Pourbus much softer and Pantoja generally is between. But I'm really not sure why it is said to be Anne. http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/p/pourbus/frans_y/portlady.html Here's why, it was an inscription added much much later. I keep thinking all the Italian ladies wore their ruffs open in this style, many did but some were as close to Spanish in their style as they could get. That cross really suggests Spanish though, her hair however is not piled very high which is also ... I adore c1600 Spanish and Italian gowns and am definitely making something in the style soon. http://pintura.aut.org/SearchProducto?Produnum=41533 Something like this. Darnit!!!! This thread has seriously derailed my current thoughts where were in armour and modern costume mode. And I seriously need to redo links all over the show as Gabrius has departed. But now I have a whole lot of new links to replace them with :D Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 11:58:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51FwKYI011112 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:58:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51FrFCV032543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51Fqnge031467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51FqlN9045623; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51FqiJd045525 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.245.146.248] by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2prK-00088O-Lp for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:52:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <8BA9C29C-33D0-4668-A363-2163C48853AC@mindspring.com> References: <670f4d940806010838m9c53e51w23475ab18174742f@mail.gmail.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:52:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a47c86f9d89e0891adbbad0afca9e22ce2387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.248 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Forbes' legacy lives in Carlisle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc35587f-f9d4-499b-91df-495c100c89ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4842C5EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My 40th reunion is the following week, so I doubt I'll get down there to see the encampment. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer Begin forwarded message: > > If you want to go to Dickinson a weekend early, this is what you > will find at the college. > > > > http://postgazette.com/pg/08153/885925-37.stm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 12:33:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51GXo6d013179 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:33:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51GSiT5015094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51GSMxm033231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51GSMTU078278; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [69.56.159.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m51GSJGc078241 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 22164 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46896) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2qPn-0007m5-VS; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:28:15 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:28:15 -0400 Message-ID: <20080601122815.syds34yb6sgcs4sk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:28:15 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:33:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting michaela de bruce : >> > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 > >> Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it >> could just be posthumous. >> >> ...and, it looks like that may be the case. It's attributed to Marcus >> Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait. Since he >> painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it. > > > Where did you see the attribution? Just curious as I didn't see it on > the auction. > > It's definitely not Anne, she's wearing distinctly post 1600 Spanish > dress so is from the Spanish or Austrian Court. I've seen it attributed to Pourbus rather than Gheeraerts. Wikipedia claims Gheeraerts -- all other sources including this entry cite Pourbus. http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Anne+Boleyn With her eyes, it also looks like the work of Sofonisba Anguissola; but I leave the attribution to the folks that know. As to it can't be Anne, I disagree. It's attributed as a posthumous painting -- as the above posted indicated possibly at the behest of Elizabeth, her daughter, who might have requested those clothes. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 12:37:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51GbxYF013356 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51GbrAZ032353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51GbdDM033729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51GbdtW085149; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [69.56.195.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m51GbYB9085110 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 21279 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 16:41:22 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 16:41:22 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52463) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2qYm-0001RF-9b; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:37:32 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20080601123732.s059klz44ks8cw8k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:37:32 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> <73fb7a5f0806010417o625e501cqf2a56bf4f25bb7d2@mail.gmail.com> <51E16CC3D38E4318BDE57481949EBCD8@compaqub> <73fb7a5f0806010739w75d96e69u8e3677fbe8cf5c6d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806010739w75d96e69u8e3677fbe8cf5c6d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? 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Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 12:40:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51GeN3N013505 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51GeIaU020249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51Ge52v033881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51Ge4Dh086895; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m51Ge1nO086850 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200806011640.m51Ge1nO086850@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 23708 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 09:40:00 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22854, pid: 23698, t: 0.2167s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TyJ5RwYXAAAA:8 a=BmZqtuZGXvhF_toddnsA:9 a=V-mLOOIIUUComFkxdCCVkyUbfPQA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 09:40:00 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:35:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <000801c8c3c5$7bf3fba0$e814a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c8c3c5$7bf3fba0$e814a150@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a839c204-f294-42a4-84b1-e7a0470af0c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4842D0F2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 12:54:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51GsgRp014647 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:54:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51GsabK007667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:54:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51GsKa7034535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51GsI5l096575; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51GsGoB096499 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d35.29c6f3aa (65097) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:54:06 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85475f20-45ef-48b4-8f84-7994a8c3c503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4842D44C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 13:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51H4lmW015294 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:04:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51H4awr027049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51H4FVv034996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51H4FgU003695; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51H4CcA003599 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d31.300757c6 (65097) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:04:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9b1a9ef-31a0-44e6-851e-a4eb53fb13e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4842D6A4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:57:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm ************ Just lovely, as usual. I hope you will also make one of those caps whose pattern looks like 4 shapes that resemble and iron....a sort of pointed arch shape. You sew them together and cover the point at the top with a tassel, then turn the bottom up like a cuff. You can wear that with your banyan open and flowing, your shirt and breeches showing underneath. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 14:04:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51I4HVA017895 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:04:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51HxCcv020171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:04:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51Hwrow037449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51Hwp4d040936; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51HwmAa040825 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K1S00GXUPXPFGF0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:58:31 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd9a7e37-0cda-463b-94ab-e76c46c79ebe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4842E370.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies... Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants In a message dated 5/31/2008 10:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lists@margospatterns.com writes: I think nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol, though. **************** I wonder how nun's veils play into this. Sisters of mercy, y'know. Many nuns were nurses y'know, from the beginning. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 14:18:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51IIlOl018609 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:18:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51IE9Fh012534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51IDsMd038409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51IDsrr051094; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51IDqAY051062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2473 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2s3y-0006Ic-DZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:13:51 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080601190217.038f5aa0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:13:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4842E6F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:18:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:58 01/06/2008, you wrote: >Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies... >Monica Nurses don't wear actual veils, but caps, some of which are very, very elaborate. St. Thomas's "sisters" used to wear a cap called a Nightingale, which was a nightmare to fold and starch. Some Matrons seem to have worn veil-like headdresses, and used to march along corridors like ships in full sail. Nuns still wear veils here, but fairly simple, going by the nuns from the place just off Oxford Street, In London's West End. Suzi >In a message dated 5/31/2008 10:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >lists@margospatterns.com writes: > >I think nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol, though. > > >**************** > >I wonder how nun's veils play into this. Sisters of mercy, y'know. Many >nuns >were nurses y'know, from the beginning. > > > >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 14:41:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51Ife8Z019610 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:41:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51IaWW2014281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:41:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51IaC5E039602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51IaCdQ066540; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51Ia8hd066494 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080601183607.XJSC26402.fep50.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:36:07 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.250]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080601183607.EYAR6737.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:36:07 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c8c416$5a335fa0$fa14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:36:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.250] at Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:36:07 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92e409c6-0d19-4ae5-a7a0-388f43a1dff1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4842EC30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Yes i was considering one of these you mention, but i thoght this one was a = little humouristic two. Besides embroidering a cap would be fun, but as i a= m = only going to use this once, i wouldnt make two much of it. I am using it in September at the aniversary of Gustavs Sk=E5l. We are goin= g = to be gathered a whole weekend, with breakfast two, and this is where i am = going to use it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- = From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan > > In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:57:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm > > > > ************ > > Just lovely, as usual. > > I hope you will also make one of those caps whose pattern looks like 4 > shapes that resemble and iron....a sort of pointed arch shape. You sew = > them > together and cover the point at the top with a tassel, then turn the = > bottom up like > a cuff. You can wear that with your banyan open and flowing, your shirt = > and > breeches showing underneath. > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4&?NCID=3Daolfod0003000000000= 2) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 15:42:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51JgbPQ022807 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51JgWOE021351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51JauiD042616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51Jasj0008334; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51JaqR7008292 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E328B9F0359 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:38:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:38:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806011538.35494.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59ee5a40-3e24-4890-ac06-17fb9d6a6448 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4842FBA8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 01 June 2008 4:47:50 am otsisto wrote: > You are right that is not Anne Boleyn. > smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste. > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 > > It could also be Spanish I'll third that. Anne Boleyn was executed in 1536--decades before ruffs became fashionable wear. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 17:30:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51LUOix028453 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:30:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51LUIQc006836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51LTxE6048735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51LTuiN083548; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m51LTrQR083449 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 12109 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 21:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:29:41 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:29:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8c436$fec376c0$a90d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjDxEUTXqtkvpgqTBilOcmJqwxKAQAcliIg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 155d1354-e471-407a-9632-f43b16fc2606 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484314EA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pretty, but definitely NOT Tudor. My first (semi-educated) impression was Dutch- Rubens, Rembrandt, etc portraiture.... She looks familiar. Maybe someone here "knows" her- will be interesting to see! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? You are right that is not Anne Boleyn. smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste. http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 It could also be Spanish -----Original Message----- I have this bad habit of finding portraits that I like on the web and then forgetting where I saw them. Can someone help me with this one? The person selling it on e-bay labeled it as Anne Boleyn, but not possible. I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W 0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 17:31:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51LVcig028486 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:31:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51LVVsw016862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51LVL8E048815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51LVL65084498; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m51LVIw1084416 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 13101 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 21:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:31:12 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c8c437$34f50f60$a90d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjDyrSMry0Z2jbmQV2deGkBOKlEaAAbFZog In-Reply-To: <59BFD891EB1D4904BF999663ADE592C8@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] portraits? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26896021-939e-48c6-9dca-fc2566b1ef0e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48431533.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Huh! Kewl! Is there a place to see the "original"? Liadain again, Who should read ALL the mail before "speaking". ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4 Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it could just be posthumous. ...and, it looks like that may be the case. It's attributed to Marcus Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait. Since he painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 18:04:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m51M4iqP029919 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:04:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m51M4clg026083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m51M1p4N050949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51M1pWt004937; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m51M1mJF004904 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E4C9F0359 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:03:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806011803.31605.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b44a6add-4f8a-46b6-b3bb-e173e97a8e02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48431CF6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 31 May 2008 9:10:53 pm Aylwen Garden wrote: > I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However, > I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these > are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if > anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this > gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English > late 17th Century. > I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to > period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper > outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time. > The picture of my gown is at > http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v252/251/81/533339547/n53333 >9547_417939_7562.jpg It seems to me that if you want something that's even remotely close to period for 17th Century, the pattern of the fabric are simply wrong, as is the drape of the bodice. On the other hand, the sleeves aren't too far from 17th c Dutch, particularly if you wear a white fichu and a chemise with lace-trimmed sleeves, so that the lace hangs down, or if you tack suitable lace to the ends. Take a look at the pictures on this page and see what *you* think: http://www.kipar.org/baroque-costumes/costumes_vermeer_dress.html -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 21:15:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m521FFXm004244 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:15:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m521FAG9032155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:15:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m521Epk1060397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m521EmVJ016277; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m521EjCC016215 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c68.29ff0873 (30737) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:14:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2005f4e3-8046-4f92-83ad-899dbe931f19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4843499E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2008 2:36:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Besides embroidering a cap would be fun, but as i am only going to use this once, i wouldnt make two much of it. ****************** Are you telling us you don't sit around at home in period clothes? I mean, doesn't everyone? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 22:06:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52267M3005766 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:06:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52261eW025633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:06:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5225eq9064959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5225d0R051596; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5225bRl051565 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so256868ana.65 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr3485383and.11.1212372337006; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:05:36 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9c2d322-1038-4876-926a-c6253a778e69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48435589.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a restoration era "costume." You could add appropriate to the period trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque. Here's an 1890s example from the MFA in Boston: it is: Woman's Evening Dress in 2 parts French, about 1895 Maker: House of Worth Silk and machine-made cotton lace A dress in two parts, of gold colored satin, designed in the style of the mid-17th century Museum of Fine Arts, Boston Gift of Mrs. J. D. Cameron Bradley, 1950 Accession number: 50.3142a http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=65576&coll_keywords=&coll_accession=&coll_name=dress&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_medium=silk&coll_culture=&coll_classification=&coll_credit=&coll_provenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=1&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sort_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=241 I have more detailed pictures of it form an exhibition but not sure I can find them. Katy On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Aylwen Garden wrote: > I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However, > I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these > are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if > anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this > gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English > late 17th Century. > I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to > period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper > outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time. > The picture of my gown is at > http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v252/251/81/533339547/n533339547_417939_7562.jpg > > Many thanks, > Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 23:06:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5236Pqb007662 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:06:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5236J13016691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5235oeH069909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5235mxN090189; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5235iCl090139 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DBA68022 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:05:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-60.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-60.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.60]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:05:43 +1000 Message-ID: <1212375943.4843638763b7e@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:05:43 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0be776a5-db9c-4063-89f2-1539b9c5a546 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484363AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Before doing anything, you need to work out who the audience/what the expectations are for this ball. Will you be among a group of costume nazis or is it a group coming together for music, manners and olde time fun? If it is a strict costume event, you will have to go to much effort but for a social dance, go for the basic shape and a few accessories and trim -- your average community group is not going to notice the fall of a sleeve, the hieght of a waist or the weave of a fabric just as your average cinema audience never noticed Edith Head's tailored sleeve heads in that Sinbad movie. Or, as Sun Tzu said, don't panic (actually, that was Douglas Adams, Sun Tzu said to know your battlefield before battle, but it all runs together in the wash). -C. > > I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However, > > I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these > > are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if > > anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this > > gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English > > late 17th Century. > > I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to > > period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper > > outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 23:29:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m523T2tY008465 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:29:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m523SrsT007890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:28:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m523SEfE070824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m523SD1c003303; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m523S9Ue003261 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C3B5806AB for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vkqouanuaUTe for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from user4712b7d135 (ppp-81.58.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.58.81]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id ECEB95805AB for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531183037.038e7c78@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2da97f9d-6df5-4c02-8b3a-e04df210c1da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484368F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:28:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FU_UKGEOCITIES, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > The fashion plate is not actually of a nurse, but a nursemaid, and as > such is not the same as a household servant. She ranks alongside a > lady's maid, and although she is wearing dark clothing, was not > expected to wear uniform. > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Occupational-Costume-England-Eleventh-Century/dp/B00166AA20/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212255187&sr=1-8 > > This should have the information you require. > > Suzi Oops, yes, sorry for the confusion I meant nurse as in nanny, not nurse in the modern sense of a hospital nurse. thankyou for the correction Suzi. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]grapevine.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 23:58:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m523wEof009666 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:58:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m523w8VR031856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m523vi9i072023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m523viEA020488; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m523veFg020450 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDA15806E0 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:57:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SGUNQV6gqMrq for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:57:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from user4712b7d135 (ppp-81.58.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.58.81]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 053C5580287 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:57:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4E46143527C44F00B7DC951533C35726@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:57:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:58:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FU_UKGEOCITIES, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? > You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress > costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a > restoration era "costume." You could add appropriate to the period > trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque. > On that topic, I saw this picture of Queen Victoria in fancy dress as a Restoration era lady http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=400822&row=37 and this is the actual costume from the painting http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=74860&row=36 A wide lace berthe and matching lace on the sleeves would seem to be a good start to try to get the impression across. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]grapevine.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 02:52:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m526qTUg003859 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:52:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m526qKLn010738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m526pqjl079095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m526pmoj019182; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m526pjbd019112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:51:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1090 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K33tM-0004ct-7Q for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:51:40 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602074546.038e96f0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:51:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.co m> References: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?now Worth Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b506329-e6f4-4b07-971b-bf00aadc2b41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484398A4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:05 02/06/2008, you wrote: >You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress >costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a >restoration era "costume." You could add appropriate to the period >trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque. > >Here's an 1890s example from the MFA in Boston: > >it is: >Woman's Evening Dress in 2 parts >French, about 1895 >Maker: House of Worth >Silk and machine-made cotton lace >A dress in two parts, of gold colored satin, designed in the style of >the mid-17th century >Museum of Fine Arts, Boston >Gift of Mrs. J. D. Cameron Bradley, 1950 >Accession number: 50.3142a > > >http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=65576&coll_keywords=&coll_accession=&coll_name=dress&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_medium=silk&coll_culture=&coll_classification=&coll_credit=&coll_provenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=1&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sort_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=241 > >I have more detailed pictures of it form an exhibition but not sure I >can find them. > >Katy Please allow me a moment's brag! I have a Worth bodice, in not brilliant condition, which is exactly the same as this, except for the sleeves, and the pattern on the fabric. The cut is identical, the fabric the same colour but with a large "lily" type pattern, but the sleeves were probably "balloon" ish in shape - the chiffon inner is rather shredded, but I have never been able to work out the sleeve properly. It was bought by a friend for the lace, which she still has, and which is identical. However she didn't want the bodice (!) and I was the lucky recipient!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 03:27:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m527RidD009752 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:27:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m527RcYg030558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:27:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m527RM6R080429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m527RMM0044834; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m527RJBC044749 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail33.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.133]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080602072713H06000psc3e>; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:27:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.133] Received: from [72.245.26.153] by fwebmail33.isp.att.net; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:27:13 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:27:13 +0000 Message-Id: <060220080727.8179.4843A0D0000E3E3600001FF322243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Forbes Legacy in Carlyle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e7d0b8e-c979-4f68-b1bc-1403bd37b404 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4843A0EA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:27:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ruthanne Asked: Is anyone on the list involved in this? It's my alma mater. My 40th reunion is the following week, so I doubt I'll get down there to see the encampment. > > If you want to go to Dickinson a weekend early, this is what you > will find at the college. > > http://postgazette.com/pg/08153/885925-37.stm ----------------------- I am a member of Muskets of the Crown, that august and startlingly red group in the picture, which is organizing and running the event. I am also a member of the dance group from Alexandria VA that is doing the Saturday evening dance. Alas, I am currently still pretty much horizontal, recovering from abdominal surgery 10 days ago, and there is no way I will be putting on stays for a good long while, so I will not be there myself. But I know that there are numerous activities planned and several British and American F&I groups planning to be in attendance. If anyone is in the area and can attend, you are sure to enjoy yourself--something for everyone. Aren't they just the ticket in their wee kilts and imposing bearskin caps? They are so proud of them--all thoroughly documented to the Grenadiers of the 77th Regiment of Foot, I hasten to add. The short one in front is my sweetie, by the way, in his mustachio'ed, more rotund days. So if course I think he is the most handsome. Jane in No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 03:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m527gPeW010998 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:42:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m527gJAe004486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m527g56q080930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m527g5cG053564; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.50]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m527g2l6053466 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 80230 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 07:41:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0f98cGYVM1lTdRVOJWwo7JGThWSYVqzdB_5nWQhaqD46A6EqGvRKcNIRojkCmIK55Q-- Received: from [75.3.90.150] by web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:41:56 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <752282.78411.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Nurses and nuns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45fc57c3-9168-49ca-a3a9-61b3756e6450 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4843A45C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Carol Mitchell Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 06:20:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52AKiMb000693 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:20:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52AKd3A032556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52AFDC9087695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 04:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52AF97m055855; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 04:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52AF6No055775 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 04:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d1f.26c2b31d (39332) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:14:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Ribbon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 104bd7eb-913c-4872-bbbb-8bfb55eb54da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4843C977.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena Also v v rouleaux (check the spelling) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 09:47:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52DlZfo022507 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:47:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52DlQuW030405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52DkoEP011071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52DklvT049032; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m52DkjeT048895 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 6940 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 13:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.162.179?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.46.162.179 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 13:46:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PzbxjTQVM1ngnaR137CHhZaz7lWqyMR7fD7hJsPCanIJThy1BmtW1Z9Mh8SF7X5wYZ_yhcRVkrrZ1CFPUzLxJH7U5uVJm7jTpFn3UbGC3.88ZFmlf0DqDVRzYcjDgTh43web5CPJzdHfR9QlOmfIxGC9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <4E46143527C44F00B7DC951533C35726@user4712b7d135> References: <3586f5070806011905x70e877f8sff642f5c5c8eeacc@mail.gmail.com> <4E46143527C44F00B7DC951533C35726@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <347CB248-3215-49F6-A6FF-98792EEA1B4B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:48:11 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ad53796-4e0f-4840-8f78-e1c899473268 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4843F9EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jun 1, 2008, at 11:57 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp? > searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=74860&row=36 A > wide lace berthe and matching lace on the sleeves would seem to be > a good > start to try to get the impression across. That's great! It's very interesting to see both the painting and the dress. Aylwen, do you have any fabric scraps left from your 1830s dress? I think the lace collar and sleeves are very necessary, but adding the tabs would also help a lot, especially if your gown has a pointed waistline (can't tell under that fan). Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 14:09:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52I90b5005273 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:09:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52I8sdp013667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52I83jm045510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52I7x1e069777; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m52I7srg069539 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25858 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 18:07:48 -0000 Received: from [87.244.91.126] by web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:07:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:07:48 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <676800.24980.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nurses and nuns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2132a780-62ab-4849-b6b2-fdd2497f9def X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48443737.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My Lady has been a working Nurse all her life in the UK, for the last 32 years working in "Care of The Elderly". Nurses in charge of the Nursing Service for any Department/Ward were called "Sisters". And, yes, there was a "Theatre Sister". And the Boss Nurse of a UK Hospital was traditionally titled "Matron" who ran her domain with an iron fist in a vlevet glove - that often even terrified Senior Consultant Physicians and Surgeons And the proudest qualification for a Nurse was to have the post-Nominal Letters SRN after his'her name ["State Registered Nurse" - qualifying was the "practical" equivalent of a "Batchelors' Degree" Course  in Academe, since study durations were the same length] And a Student Nurse's proudest day would be when she got her Royal College of Nursing Badge and a silver belt Buckle at her Graduation Ceremony. And Hospital "Matrons" used to be superbly- qualified Nurses who earned promotion the hard way, working up from "Staff Nurses" to "Charge Nurses", to Ward Sisters, and on upwards. And the people under care used to be known as "Patients". Until the Politically Correct politicians and "civil servants* " [ - *they are arrogant rather than civil, and they are NOT "your" servants, they only serve themselves and their political superiors!] in the Labour Party started messing with the National Nealth Service. Someone with Political Power decided that the NHS was wasting too much money, and that the Service needed professional "managers" - with qualifications in Administration but not in Medicine or Nursing. So now UK Hospitals have "clients" instead of "patients; - and "Ward Managers" instead of "Sisters" - people without nursing qualifications who run their departments with financial budgets and performance "targets" in mind, not with "patient care" as their first priority. Someone hidden behind the UK Civil Service veil of "Governmental Confidentiality" decided that certain "titles" were "elitist", so SRN's were required to re-Certify as "Registered General Nurses".And the post of the Hospital Matron vanished  - replaced by a senior Administrator  who is more liekly to have a Masters Degree in Administration than having been a practical working urse with a thorough knowledge of caring but efficient care of "patients" - sorry, "clients".   Julian Wilson, proud to have been husband to a working Nurse for over 40 years. --- On Mon, 2/6/08, Carol Mitchell <carolmitchel@att.net> wrote: From: Carol Mitchell <carolmitchel@att.net> Subject: [h-cost] Nurses and nuns To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, 2 June, 2008, 8:41 AM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies... Monica The nurse in overall charge of a ward was, and for all I know still is, called Sister. I read some books by an author named Lucilla Andrew in which the nurse of the operating room (called an operating theatre)was referred to as Sister Theatre. Can someone tell me if that's been changed or not? Thanks Carol Mitchell Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 14:54:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52IsGga007888 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:54:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52IsB3I012044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:54:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52IrrO0051022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52Irrst023226; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52Irp0r023192 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1120042rvb.11 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.1.2 with SMTP id d2mr5213668rvi.42.1212432831196; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 976a7b9a-a49c-4a24-826c-78353f6f3f02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484441D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:54:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I am using it in September at the aniversary of Gustavs Sk?l. We are going to be gathered a whole weekend, with breakfast two, and this is where i am going to use it. Bjarne, I just love it when you show off the things you've made for yourself. This one is really charming; the breakfast party is a great reason to have such a unique outfit, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 15:07:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52J7K0M008430 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52J7Fdv001824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52J6ujM052219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52J6ujt036461; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52J6s7P036432 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1126915rvb.11 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.18 with SMTP id b18mr5209595rvl.95.1212433614574; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:06:54 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64162596-52f4-46a3-849c-1da99a55b9f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484444E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The above writer is correct, a lace collar or bertha would be the big visual clue, as would a wig of bouncy "spaniel" curls. Have fun at the party, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 15:22:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m52JM2fs009217 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m52JLueb031965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:22:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m52JLTcG053659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52JLRTo052492; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/eRBk7a3s9iUQT4n8DlaeykfI5O3rtV94@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m52JLNI1052418 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.189]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m52JLOIS025016 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:21:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 13204 invoked by uid 80); 2 Jun 2008 19:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@68.94.95.21) by wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2008 19:21:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4844482E.3000907@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:21:18 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20080515013131.GUVF12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20080515013131.GUVF12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Way off-topic: Indianapolis? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee91f577-747d-4912-a0ec-815a0af21da6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48444854.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:22:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My apologies in advance for an off-topic posting, but it seems I "know" a lot of people on this list without knowing exactly where they are, and this seems the best way to find out whether I have a net-friend in Indianapolis. I am considering a trip to Indianapolis in early July, but this is contingent on finding a place to stay for myself and my (well-behaved) teenaged son for two nights. One couch and one hunk of floor is acceptable. We are quiet and low-maintenance, we handle our own meals, and we will be out and about (most of the day and late both evenings) so do not need entertainment. On the other hand, I'd be happy to make time to sit and chat about costume if my host(ess) so desires! We also do dishes and bring tasty treats to share. If anyone can help, please contact me off-list. Thanks. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 00:43:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m534hOuP009481 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:43:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m534hIR9010777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m534gl2G092023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m534gc0x066423; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m534gZ4S066397 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1K3OLx0mAc-00047s; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c8c534$39b4ca60$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:42:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MADzcFW/E/NTVJahaAI7+DUFGrAO7OerylzW Wbp5qZY2jJLbMHSC6ArUN50xNg2YHDtCGrd77hfuzzq+eHxFYv F3o/7BextqJ8dHkL7uI3A== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] YSL X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90e59a75-bdae-405e-bb31-a51b1eedeea8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4844CBE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:43:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fashion Designer Yves St. Laurent died June 1, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06/01/laurent.obit.ap/ Last week I videotaped from the Sundance channel a documentary about him titled "Yves St. Laurent : His Life and Times/5 Avenue Marceau 75116 Paris." The film is in French with English subtitles. It is very good and has extensive interviews with him at different points in his career. There are also interview with other designers that were his friends. I checked and amazon.com is selling the DVD. Some YSL fashion history: YSL took over the House of Dior when Dior died. YSL had many first in the fashion industry, womenswear division: 1958: Trapeze dress while designing for House of Dior. 1959: Bubble dress while designing for House of Dior. 1962: The 3/4 length coat. 1962: First designer to use a black model in Paris fashion shows. 1963: Thigh-high boots. 1965: Dresses based on the paintings of Mondrian. As my daughter said, "This is one of the most famous dresses in the world!" Judge for yourself: http://www.metmuseum.org/TOAH/ho/11/euwf/ho_C.I.69.23.htm 1966: The smoking or tuxedo jacket and suit. 1967: Knickerbocker suit. 1968: Culottes, see-through blouses 1968: Safari Jacket. 1969: Trouser Suit or American call it pantsuit. This suit made it socially acceptable for women to wear pants for all kinds of occasions. 1971: Blazer 1976: Introduced his Cossack or Russian Peasant Collection. This collection made YSL one of my favorite designers. We studied the collection while I was earning my Associate's degree in Fashion in 1976. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 00:47:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m534kxi1009629 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m534krTj030572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m534kc8a092228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m534kcsD068872; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m534kbLH068859 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1546606wfg.23 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.211.10 with SMTP id j10mr3886149wfg.202.1212468397010; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:46:36 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32519a15-8723-42bb-bd61-8471777b8489 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4844CCBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'm the ball organiser and probably the one with the reputation for historical accuracy. I don't push this line too much at these events so thats not a problem. The dress has a straight waistband, not on the waist. Elizabeth, you are horrible! You should never have shown me that picture at http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=74860&row=36 !!! Now I really want to make that dress, and this attempt to keep my life slightly saner than usual has just been thrown out the window! At least, in the event of me not taking this plunge, I might just try to add some Dutch elements over the dress. Cheers, and thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 01:30:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m535UuXB011673 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:30:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m535UnO8029927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m535UaFF094353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m535UaKE096596; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m535UX3U096564 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1K3P6N2Crt-0004Du; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c8c53a$ed507ff0$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:30:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Vdt2sW1EQZ50up54SqvukWqoOhlW2rCuYUCY G17Acac311jn01aVUok2VZ4Pd+lw4ckCk86BjYXsIn8zvGXab+ lk12Cg6QPATMwb4O9wAng== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Continuing on... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 035cbeb7-b577-4bd3-a719-d5f8e5bc2428 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4844D709.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:30:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am continuing the free access period to the Library, www.costumelibrary.com until Tuesday night so you can see the latest additions. The passwords for the Library are: Login: cg2003 Password: ccr6972 ************************************************************************************************************* Two big additions were added to the Library this weekend: Addition 1. I have the definitions from the Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods from the A & B sections online at: A-section: 32 definitions, 10 pages http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/1894/Dictionary/A_index.pdf http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/1894/Dictionary/A_definitions.pdf B-section: 119 definitions, 32 pages http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/1894/Dictionary/B_index.pdf http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/1894/Dictionary/B_definitions.pdf Cole's is a very thick dictionary published in 1894 to be used chiefly by Dry Goods retailers. To see a general definition of dry goods look at the end of this message. The dictionary is a really good reference. It provides detailed information such as the weaving methods, origin of textile or fashions, pronouncations, etc. This book can be so detailed with the long definitions such as cotton, it has charts with export information by decade for the 19th Century, and even how to plant cotton. The cotton section is 10 pages long, excluding the charts with listings of factories/mills that produced cotton textiles. Those are found on http://www.costumegallery.com/Textiles/ under the cotton heading. All that information came from the Cole's book. This is where this definition website gets temporarily tricky! The index and definitions are separate files. When you go to a term in the index, click on it and the link will take you the definition. Each term is a link but is not underlined. The problem, this links work perfectly in Mozilla/Firefox, but the links do not work properly in Internet Explorer. You can get to the definition file but not the correct definition. A temporary fix is to copy the term from the index, and do a search on the definition page. This works well. To view the pages in both browser's you will need Adobe Reader 8 and ActiveX turned on in your browser. This browser problem made husband's hair grow really gray this past weekend while trying to work this problem. He is determined to figure out the problem this week. When he fixes the problem, all the files will be located at one URL. ************************************************************************************************************* Addition 2. The 1890s ladies slideshow from the Virginia Commonwealth University Fashion Dept. Collection is online. Go to http://www.costumeslideshows.com/ to access the slideshow. This addition so far has 60 photos of 6 fashions. I will be adding more fashions to this section. The addition of the 1890s gives the costumeslideshow site 12 slideshows with 595 photos. _______________________________________________ Definition from the 1894 Cole's Dictionary: Dry Goods: Textile fabrics, and related articles of trade; as, cloth, shawls, wraps, ready-made garments, blankets, ribbons, thread, yarn, hosiery, millinery, etc., in distinction from hardware, groceries, etc. In this sense the term is used almost exclusively in the United States, though not, as generally supposed, a term of American origin. _______________________________________________ Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 01:39:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m535dJ8c012332 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:39:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m535dEXI026397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m535d4I9094702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m535d42g002053; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m535d21Z002018 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1K3PEa3EGb-0004Wy; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c8c53c$1cd9e210$8401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:38:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DC+q7rbQFqHtCv5lhf+b64qWhgzKT8ykfYIH w7SDZJvck8Gjv2iltSimUTXXHpKb2F+uhAC4x1FU/YlP0pynES 4UBL0N6I3fovtBfz7LWPg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Kathleen's Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b90bb8c2-cc72-4e3b-b08f-f1f036c1dca6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4844D902.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:39:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh! A h-costumer is being modest! Kathleen Mitchell is having an exhibit of her historic costumed dolls. I received a lovely postcard with her Queen Victoria doll on it. Here the info: Cut Down to Size: A Costumer's Art in Miniature When: May 7-July 26, 2008 Where: Bradford House Gallery, Washington, PA, USA Website: www.bradfordhouse.org Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 07:15:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53BFAJ4012673 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:15:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53BF16T028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:15:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53BEbUS013673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53BEYpb030407; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53BEV68030286 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c31.3312baac (32913) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:14:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d49d2a8f-1935-4ef4-ae0c-ae5f39b59b9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484527B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:15:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 02/06/2008 19:01:18 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies... Monica The nurse in overall charge of a ward was, and for all I know still is, called Sister. I read some books by an author named Lucilla Andrew in which the nurse of the operating room (called an operating theatre)was referred to as Sister Theatre. Can someone tell me if that's been changed or not? Thanks Carol Mitchell There is still a nursing hierarchy, and there are still sisters (though I'm by no means an expert, as am not a nurse) - from memory sisters wear dark blue uniforms, as opposed to light blue (when not in scrubs), and a sister would be the most senior nurse on a ward. Not sure if they still have matrons (who would be the most senior nurse in a hospital). Never seen a nurse wearing a veil, or anything similar. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 09:02:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53D21Sp027360 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53D1tFk013216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53D1GV8019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53D1FmL005927; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53D1BNL005799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.22]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:56 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:53 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants Thread-Index: AcjDksDisbUE604pR9alaSsByNuLFAB5uoCg Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1A253A@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080531183037.038e7c78@suziclarke.co.uk> <594DC95B-B4CA-4886-A704-86C127630F88@margospatterns.com> In-Reply-To: <594DC95B-B4CA-4886-A704-86C127630F88@margospatterns.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cab3762-7cd4-4586-9be4-d91349408324 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484540C3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:02:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol, though. I believe each nursing school had its own cap design. I remember being in the hospital as a child, in 1967 or so, and being entranced with one nurse whose cap was a frilly little lampshade thing. I remember her saying it was a real pain to iron. Margo My mother was a nurse in the 60s - graduation was frequently called "capping", because of the cap's importance as a symbol. Her cap was relatively plain & I can remember her starching it & flattening it on the refrigerator to dry. When it was dry, she took it down & folded it into shape. Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 10:11:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53EBXoN030676 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53EBSt6021935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53E5fao023646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53E5e4T064344; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53E5bj8064301 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id C2A942E83AC for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:01:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 5C68D2E82D7 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:01:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DE52400AE for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:05:36 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a full page picture of this dress in one of my costume books at home. Queen Victoria wore it to a court costume ball. I think Prince Albert was dressed as Charles II and she was Catherine of Branzaga. At another ball, Albert went as Edward III and she was his consort Phillipa. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume? Hi, I'm the ball organiser and probably the one with the reputation for historical accuracy. I don't push this line too much at these events so thats not a problem. The dress has a straight waistband, not on the waist. Elizabeth, you are horrible! You should never have shown me that picture at http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restora tion&x=12&y=13&object=74860&row=36 !!! Now I really want to make that dress, and this attempt to keep my life slightly saner than usual has just been thrown out the window! At least, in the event of me not taking this plunge, I might just try to add some Dutch elements over the dress. Cheers, and thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 18:20:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53MKGAR017351 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:20:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53MKAMX030401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53MJkpn070610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53MJe47016167; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m53MJb52016018 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 90685 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 22:19:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8Rb83a0VM1kuGiGZr.TmbK_HLG6.qet3JydJLAkYuFHpZ0qAVtCYbGGVuWf7LEa6i414QrtcCfbCfRal1xfUAp92gmDr15YvlC7eoAEm_5zpfQy31jghtIE9JsY- Received: from [75.3.90.150] by web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:19:31 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:19:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <663060.90620.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 223 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 406c25d3-911b-4cea-9e1b-67720a7d5559 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4845C39A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:20:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks to everyone who answered my questions about nurses in the U.K. BTW, I begin to understand some of the hostility towards the NHS. Penny, thanks for the access to your wonderful website. The other times it's been open I didn't have a computer of my own, so I was really glad to have the chance. Carol Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 18:41:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53MfpRY018168 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:41:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53MfjfB008070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:41:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53MfTxn072267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53MfTsw036773; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53MfRuC036741 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so716438nfb.41 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.47.7 with SMTP id u7mr1991231ebu.14.1212532886611; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.21.3 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:41:26 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ada1798a-d2e6-4efd-bdf9-8249be25f19e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4845C8A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO An entire grocery sack of vintage patterns (late 1950s to early 1980s) rescued from my elderly neighbor's basement awaits a good home with a loving family. Sounds like I'm trying to give away a kitten, but unlike a kitten these patterns wont eat much, make messes of your yarn or shread your drapes. Take 'em all; they're yours. Speak quickly or they're going to be posted on SanJoseFreeCycle. --cin Cynthia Barnes San Jose, Calif CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 19:06:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53N6ZPw018940 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:06:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53N6SEH017877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53N5lEI073847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53N5gbh061564; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53N5c9x061439 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bd4.3197c69f (37545) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md16 (webmail-md16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.134]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB026-92a94845ce38e; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:05:28 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:05:28 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 96.241.7.186 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37080-STANDARD Received: from 96.241.7.186 by webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:05:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA93E572C394C7-13DC-2B5B@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bc39bf3-be14-4bb4-b5d8-5689207e62f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4845CE75.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:06:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The University of Rhode Island has a pattern archive and might be interested in some of them.? They are to the point where they don't just take whole collections, but they will take ones that fill in holes in the collection.? Email me privately and I'll give you contact information.? But she will want a list. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 6:41 pm Subject: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home An entire grocery sack of vintage patterns (late 1950s to early 1980s) rescued from my elderly neighbor's basement awaits a good home with a loving family. Sounds like I'm trying to give away a kitten, but unlike a kitten these patterns wont eat much, make messes of your yarn or shread your drapes. Take 'em all; they're yours. Speak quickly or they're going to be posted on SanJoseFreeCycle. --cin Cynthia Barnes San Jose, Calif CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 19:49:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m53NngEp020378 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:49:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m53NnbS5002809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m53NnHU2076523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53NnGNw096191; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m53NnDSD096102 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c62.31866f7f (14501) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:49:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Work Class Gardens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40e5e732-5bc3-4ad7-bd15-635651ca4bbb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4845D891.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:49:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Does anyone know of a good site about gardens that Work Class Sods had in Victorian times? The best I have been able to find is a seed catalog from the 1890's. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 23:09:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5439gE7028659 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5439at1012237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m543947m087969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m54391DT034797; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5438wKx034719 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wolfonwear@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78290 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2008 03:08:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: H60TSqgVM1kQDazMIRrljsY4SRPuqzMNEheVUu.8DIRO_UwZWUVhrbOsiFprC103DzJZv3is_dV_y97pGbWEqvirMiExQdQVag-- Received: from [99.155.137.0] by web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:08:52 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Powell To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8CA93E572C394C7-13DC-2B5B@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <907587.78259.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 262f32d1-999d-4d1a-985b-f6a9c166002b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48460770.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a good home and would very much like them. Email me. annbwass@aol.com wrote: The University of Rhode Island has a pattern archive and might be interested in some of them.? They are to the point where they don't just take whole collections, but they will take ones that fill in holes in the collection.? Email me privately and I'll give you contact information.? But she will want a list. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 6:41 pm Subject: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home An entire grocery sack of vintage patterns (late 1950s to early 1980s) rescued from my elderly neighbor's basement awaits a good home with a loving family. Sounds like I'm trying to give away a kitten, but unlike a kitten these patterns wont eat much, make messes of your yarn or shread your drapes. Take 'em all; they're yours. Speak quickly or they're going to be posted on SanJoseFreeCycle. --cin Cynthia Barnes San Jose, Calif CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 09:52:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m54DqWjq018740 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:52:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m54DqRa6004245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:52:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m54DkRKT021593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m54DkOHo095636; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m54DkK0W095546 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZnFr1Z0070mlR8UA80Cb00; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:46:17 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZpmE1Z0090CKaGd8X00000; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:46:16 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jLKD01O1whQA:10 a=wqNj8lxuj7cA:10 a=bQTB_P6msmlMNP2edecA:9 a=_gDuF3mkzNEHTxZP6NAnUJP2TmwA:4 a=pt045V2O6wwA:10 Message-ID: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:46:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ffffc7c5-c9d4-45c9-b1fa-c6b10d4a3501 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48469E1B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 20:06:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5506hxG024545 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5506c6h006599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5505Va6073267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5505RkU068895; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5505OkQ068855 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABA980C0326; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:56:25 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c8c69e$f2d64440$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjGSSxohfu04fH+QzOUOAgWQpMraAAVYzIA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58734c13-c82e-4016-8c74-70584074a9f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48472E0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 08:59:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55CxJv7020595 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:59:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55CxA5T015653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:59:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55CwroP015495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55CwpKd050015; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55CwliL049950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K4F3F-00083J-Kc for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:58:46 +0100 Message-ID: <72A0CDD305854072BAA7BBF3CC6C85D4@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: "Historical Costume" References: <663060.90620.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <663060.90620.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1837 Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aef4488-dc83-4bfa-b07f-cc37cf7b068c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4847E31E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:59:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.dressing-history.co.uk/pages/images/3428162.jpg The fashion plate above, dated as 1837, shows a lady in a corset. Does anybody have any idea what it is that fastens her corset at the front, as there is obviously something there, but metal corset busks were not, I believe it is generally thought, used until the 1850s? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 11:40:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55FeGci028035 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:40:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55Fe8JO025201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55Fdj2S030524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55FdiOD040289; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55Fdg6s040261 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so415287pyc.4 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.21 with SMTP id n21mr996364rve.97.1212680382355; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:39:41 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47bdd959-4b88-415f-8b8d-199d06a979e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484808D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:40:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm working on a 1490 Hispanic court gown. I'm getting ready to attach the skirt. It is open in the front and laces in the front. It is open like the German gowns with laces across. Can anyone tell me how the skirt opens? -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 12:08:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55G8M3a029277 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55G8Fl7028896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55G6eOE033125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55G6cem071935; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m55G6ZQW071763 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54768 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2008 16:05:30 -0000 Received: from [69.230.26.181] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:05:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <294047.54634.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16539ed0-2e2b-499c-bc0b-33f506dccdfe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48480F70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:08:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On an educated guess, since you didn't post an image you are working from, but I am thinking the skirt also opens in front, as a slit down from the laced opening a short ways, just enough to help you get the dress over the head. That is what I will be doing with my 1500s working dress I am working on. Kimiko --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Bonnie Booker wrote: > From: Bonnie Booker > Subject: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 8:39 AM > I'm working on a 1490 Hispanic court gown. I'm > getting ready to attach > the skirt. It is open in the front and laces in the front. > It is open > like the German gowns with laces across. Can anyone tell me > how the > skirt opens? > > -- > Aspasia Moonwind > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 13:07:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55H7gnR032211 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:07:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55H7aTJ012919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:07:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55H2BLK039302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55H2AWi043305; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55H1gx9042726 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so161574ana.65 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.37.20 with SMTP id k20mr2877370ank.12.1212685328107; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y67sm3888517pyg.33.2008.06.05.10.02.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1C288F83BDE248BF986D2E383E29BE25@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <663060.90620.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <72A0CDD305854072BAA7BBF3CC6C85D4@SerenaPC> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1837 Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7282812e-3a79-4cd9-99e7-af4bb7e4d251 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48481D58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Metal split/2-part corset busks were invented in 1829 by a French corsetier, so it's certainly possible, even though they weren't immediately widespread. Being a fashion plate, this would likely show the most avant garde features! The loop & post type of fastening for the metal 2-part corset busk wasn't invented until 1848, though, so don't imagine anything available in 1837 as looking exactly like a modern busk. Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly what it did look like! What area is this plate from? I don't know enough about the outerwear fashions of the era to be able to tell if it could be French. Not that it matters; English corsetiers could certainly have made use of a French invention, but it would make it slightly likelier. However, there were several attempts in the 1830s to make quick corset removal easier, and to make it easier to lace the corset without help, so it's barely possible this is some other gadget. (Can't imagine what, though; it doesn't fit any of the ones I'm familiar with.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:51:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55MpSV0016211 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:51:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55MpK6n003714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55Moqmj073818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55MonYm081135; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55MojfK081022 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aGzq1Z01p0xGWP85A0Fl00; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:50:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aNqh1Z00F00zNUK3Y00000; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:50:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0jNOx5CbeXMC4WRCZaQA:9 a=xLBJArDr-kxJtSHVQZuPYfDP8y8A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Message-Id: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:50:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08cd4041-1365-4848-9eb0-ec40ffa539f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48486DE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 19:17:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m55NHsEi017453 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:17:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m55NHntY015119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m55NHUrM076513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55NHTQ4005223; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m55NHRep005147 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200806052317.m55NHRep005147@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 32472 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 16:17:19 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 30992, pid: 32464, t: 0.4034s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0JcXpODU4ayx3LVmEpUA:9 a=F7jg3gVUwxpgnt2O_H_6dsbpt5MA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 16:17:18 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:13:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c06271f-65a5-4f1d-8121-b072ee932314 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4848741D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:50 PM 6/5/2008, you wrote: >This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages >since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If >anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. > >My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. >Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. >I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams >that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam >downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front >sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently >garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the >front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are >often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see >where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need >to match on either the front or the back? > >Sylvia Personally, I wouldn't worry about matching them if you think they look okay. I'd baste the jacket together, put it on, and have someone take a look at it. If they don't see a problem, I'd go ahead and sew it up. How far off are they from matching? Could you add a row or two of plain stitching paralleling the seams to make them come together visually? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 21:01:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5611q4M022787 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:01:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5611WXM008222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:01:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m560r3VF082140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m560qx5F083136; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m560quct083018 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bc7.2546093b (48576) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:53:25 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9128b11-83c7-47e9-b200-b3f8fe9e7dd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48488C6C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:01:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/5/2008 7:17:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: How far off are they from matching? ******************** This is a good question. If they are off just a little, it can look like a mistake. But then a little is easy to fix and move so they do match. If they look like they never were intended to match, then...OK! **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 21:06:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5616MKK022995 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:06:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5616Hjs010301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:06:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5615WD4082745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5615GNQ091512; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5614Qk3090868 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aQ2L1Z00H17dt5G5A02700; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:05:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aR561Z00300zNUK3ZR588V; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:05:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=6-lPI9XmmBoZVZ2IyEYA:9 a=LHzK-3PP8sMw2qiqEMAA:7 a=MDl8owHozoHXLwVfAjEyaS3h-oQA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:05:05 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57f4d13c-8b56-40b8-9845-6c7038681ba9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48488D89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:06:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO They're off 1.5" on one side to 2" on the other. On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:53 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 7:17:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > joanmj@surewest.net writes: > > How far off are they from matching? > > > ******************** > > This is a good question. If they are off just a little, it can look > like a > mistake. But then a little is easy to fix and move so they do match. > If they > look like they never were intended to match, then...OK! > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 02:05:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5665B3W002896 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:05:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56655UG024660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5664e0h098481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5664cXw088725; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5664Yot088592 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Jun 2008 06:04:27 -0000 Received: from p548E4A12.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.74.18] by mail.gmx.net (mp047) with SMTP; 06 Jun 2008 08:04:27 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DfeJyhjYD+UKYx2SKQLIJ3Fcf6t1OfvcgAVuwwk w2CNfZYQ3JoemN X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:04:20 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0350412-6da1-4d6b-86da-8fddf55eeb57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4848D391.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:05:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It=B4s a modern jacket? From what I=B4ve learned, in = modern custom-made clothing it=B4s rather = coincidence whether the seams match or not. It=B4s = just a design issue. Industrially made garments = often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching seams. Hanna At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: >This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages >since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If >anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. > >My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. >Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. >I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams >that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam >downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front >sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently >garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the >front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are >often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see >where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need >to match on either the front or the back? > >Sylvia > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:16:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56EGRxv010742 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:16:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56EGH6M030747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:16:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56EFoDd026122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56EFlug076858; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56EFiM2076808 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 1A5822E80F2 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A14982E8072 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05A7180079 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:15:43 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves Thread-Index: AcjHmzmJCjsPe7ExQiO0ehY0V5rtdAARCoZw References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36f929b9-d18f-4c5f-a80d-fe66e1e5b05e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484946B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several years a= go(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved garments that the s= leeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On B= ehalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves It=B4s a modern jacket? From what I=B4ve learned, in = modern custom-made clothing it=B4s rather = coincidence whether the seams match or not. It=B4s = just a design issue. Industrially made garments = often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching seams. Hanna At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: >This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages >since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If >anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. > >My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. >Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. >I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams >that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam >downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front >sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently >garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the >front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are >often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see >where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need >to match on either the front or the back? > >Sylvia > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:56:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56EuGoU012721 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56Eu6tL003657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56EtkSO029470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56EtjjC026076; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56EtgcV025882 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aeHA1Z01C0S2fkCA702b00; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:55:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aeva1Z00200zNUK8V00000; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:55:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=Het7WPNI7uMKivG0WcQA:9 a=FJBGCB38iG43i5AoeGQA:7 a=ivIvhPOGg529lqoHB2et738-PtgA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e0640b5-60e4-469b-ae08-e0159b51cec9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48495006.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:56:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on a = par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I = don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many = other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would = be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should have = just drafted it from the start. I need it to look good because I'm = wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful = ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do = justice to it. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several = > years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved = > garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. > > Cindy Abel > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = > On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves > > It=B4s a modern jacket? From what I=B4ve learned, in > modern custom-made clothing it=B4s rather > coincidence whether the seams match or not. It=B4s > just a design issue. Industrially made garments > often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching = > seams. > > Hanna > > At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: >> This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages >> since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If >> anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. >> >> My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. >> Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. >> I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess = >> seams >> that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam >> downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front >> sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently >> garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the >> front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are >> often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd = >> see >> where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need >> to match on either the front or the back? >> >> Sylvia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:28:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56ISLnc024628 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:28:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56ISFvo025091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:28:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56IRspr047150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56IRq62072101; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56IRo5i072059 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1401651rvb.11 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr292439rvh.21.1212776869519; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:27:49 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <294047.54634.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <294047.54634.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ef7458c-b073-43e8-bf6e-6fcfe60a2498 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484981BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks. That was what I was thinking, but I wanted confirmation. You can see what I'm working on at www.myspace/1aspasia.com It isn't one dress, but a combination. I'm in a wheel chair and can't do hoops. It has been a while since I have updated, but just my running thoughts and pictures and documentation as I go. > On an educated guess, since you didn't post an image you are working from, but I am thinking the skirt also opens in front, as a slit down from the laced opening a short ways, just enough to help you get the dress over the head. > > That is what I will be doing with my 1500s working dress I am working on. > >> I'm working on a 1490 Hispanic court gown. I'm >> getting ready to attach >> the skirt. It is open in the front and laces in the front. >> It is open >> like the German gowns with laces across. Can anyone tell me >> how the >> skirt opens? >>> > > ___________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:54:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56IshGP030495 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:54:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56IscJv002452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56Is1sq049415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56Is0Ju099050; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56Irvag098898 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W51 ([64.4.19.151]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:53:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.220.155.148] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:53:52 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2008 18:53:52.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D29B90:01C8C806] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3420c28b-48ef-4684-b9a3-0c95ab7e53da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484987EE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What do you mean when you say a two pieced sleeve? 2piece vertical or 1 hor= izontally connected? Haven't seen that one but there are also sleeves the h= ave a front and backs seam so the outter part is smooth. Can't think what a= 2 piece sleeve looks like. Brain block recently. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > From: sylvia@ntw.net > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:32 -0600 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves > = > Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on a = > par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I = > don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many = > other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would = > be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should have = > just drafted it from the start. I need it to look good because I'm = > wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful = > ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do = > justice to it. > = > Sylvia > = > On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > = > > I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several = > > years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved = > > garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. > > > > Cindy Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = > > On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves > > > > It=B4s a modern jacket? From what I=B4ve learned, in > > modern custom-made clothing it=B4s rather > > coincidence whether the seams match or not. It=B4s > > just a design issue. Industrially made garments > > often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching = > > seams. > > > > Hanna > > > > At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: > >> This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages > >> since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If > >> anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. > >> > >> My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. > >> Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. > >> I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess = > >> seams > >> that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam > >> downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front > >> sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently > >> garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the > >> front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are > >> often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd = > >> see > >> where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need > >> to match on either the front or the back? > >> > >> Sylvia > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > = > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ It=92s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Wi= ndows Live=99 Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=3DTXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 15:27:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56JRPMX032052 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:27:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56JRHhH013175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56JQmnc052158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:26:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56JQlQ0033977; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56JQhI8033844 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ah1y1Z0040FhH24A109f00; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:26:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ajSG1Z00200zNUK8U00000; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:26:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=TwuxSOySAAAA:8 a=a0JR3yNWwKGSK42pBE0A:9 a=LLMTt8jSDaLC5nx9i9cA:7 a=6cUVAsn5LlmUjtZa3iWsw24BvQUA:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=6Y7rm8MrXIoA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> <200806060604.m5664Yot088592@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <8ead2c5b44984512d4a22a57da4e8336@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:26:14 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19c4b49f-7967-4899-b402-b2e19da0179e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48498F95.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:27:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 2 piece, vertically. On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Becky Rautine wrote: > > > What do you mean when you say a two pieced sleeve? 2piece vertical or = > 1 horizontally connected? Haven't seen that one but there are also = > sleeves the have a front and backs seam so the outter part is smooth. = > Can't think what a 2 piece sleeve looks like. Brain block recently. > Sincerely, > Rebecca Rautine > >> From: sylvia@ntw.net >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:32 -0600 >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves >> >> Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on = >> a >> par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I >> don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many >> other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would >> be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should = >> have >> just drafted it from the start. I need it to look good because I'm >> wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful >> ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do >> justice to it. >> >> Sylvia >> >> On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: >> >>> I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several >>> years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved >>> garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched = >>> up. >>> >>> Cindy Abel >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com = >>> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >>> On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann >>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM >>> To: Historical Costume >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves >>> >>> It=B4s a modern jacket? From what I=B4ve learned, in >>> modern custom-made clothing it=B4s rather >>> coincidence whether the seams match or not. It=B4s >>> just a design issue. Industrially made garments >>> often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching >>> seams. >>> >>> Hanna >>> >>> At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: >>>> This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages >>>> since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If >>>> anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. >>>> >>>> My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. >>>> Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. >>>> I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess >>>> seams >>>> that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam >>>> downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front >>>> sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently >>>> garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in = >>>> the >>>> front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves = >>>> are >>>> often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd >>>> see >>>> where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams = >>>> need >>>> to match on either the front or the back? >>>> >>>> Sylvia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > It=92s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through = > Windows Live=99 Messenger. Learn how. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=3DTXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 15:39:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56JdfsD032705 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:39:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56JdY9M030853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56JdItZ053209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56JdHLW047559; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m56JdEl0047416 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73743 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2008 19:39:09 -0000 Received: from [69.230.26.181] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:39:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <322439.73271.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed663a1e-1dd1-43c8-8eb3-79e355bda6a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48499276.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:39:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can't seem to access your site. Is the url correct? Kimiko --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Bonnie Booker wrote: > From: Bonnie Booker > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:27 AM > Thanks. That was what I was thinking, but I wanted > confirmation. You > can see what I'm working on at www.myspace/1aspasia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:18:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56KIasM002042 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:18:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56KIUmp013564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:18:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56KI3BX056538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56KI2es087552; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56KHxwF087399 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.204]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080606201754.LLUP6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:17:54 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.204]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080606201753.SCBN1714.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:17:53 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:15:41 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080606201753.SCBN1714.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] new elist for research in Textiles and Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35a45b5a-539f-471d-89b3-d6cc81bd70b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48499B96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:18:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As you know, it is a bit difficult to keep up with the literature, conferences, symposia, etc. in the field of textiles and clothing from the post-Roman through the early modern periods (500-1600CE). It is a field spanning many disciplines in many languages with the indexing of the journals quite scattered (if indexed at all) and many titles not well publicized or easily available outside their country of publication. Well, in an informal discussion after a DISTAFF session at the last International Medieval Congress (Kalamazoo 2008) several of us (Dr. Carole Collier Frick, Dr. Gale Owen-Crocker, Robin Netherton and myself) bemoaned this and it was decided that an elist might be useful. So I have created two: A discussion list, MEDTC-DISCUSS: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-DISCUSS/ and a newsletter list for announcements of titles, etc. : MEDTC-RESOURCES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-RESOURCES/ Though MEDTC-RESOURCES will include the titles and announcements from MEDTC-DISCUSS (delayed and edited), it will not include any of the discussion of them and only in MEDTC-DISCUSS will you be able to post directly (I am quite happy to pass on any suggestions, however) These lists are academic in focus and scholarly in tone. Discussion of personal projects (other than publications), reproduction techniques, supplies, social or re-enactment events, etc. should be taken elsewhere. Please see the full descriptions at the links above. Whether you join or not, please sent your list of publications(in any language) for inclusion to mailto:MEDTC-RESOURCES@yahoogroups.com or directly to me at mailto:bmatney@alltel.net It would be most appreciated. I do hope that one of these elists will be of interest and assistance and that you will choose to participate. Please pass this invitation along to any colleagues or institutions that might also be interested. Thank you. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 18:43:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56Mh0pj008359 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:43:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56Mgs8V023128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56MgSfQ072112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56MgPY7031059; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56MgN9e031020 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so801265ugc.17 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.19 with SMTP id w19mr1424360ugg.58.1212792141669; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806061542x1c3be450md85a7c6cb4d7f313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:42:21 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <322439.73271.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <322439.73271.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1af83303-eeb7-40eb-8bd6-ddeb180e9b93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4849BD6E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:42:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > Thanks. That was what I was thinking, but I wanted > > confirmation. You > > can see what I'm working on at www.myspace/1aspasia.com http://www.myspace.com/1aspasia (no .com after that) Best to copy and paste as, in my mail anyway, the automatic linking started from the 1 last time ;) You also need to be a member of myspace (which I am, geek*) to see the photos. I'm not sure which of the images you are aiming for but at least one figure in the Herod scene has a close front bodice and if you haven't already started the bodice that might be a way to go. http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/o/ordonez/d_felipe.html http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/lazarus2.html http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/herodias.html http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/b/borgona/ladyhare.html http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gallego/catholic.html Those are examples from 1490-1515 with the closed front and no hoops. I think the bust portrait you have (also on WGA and by Juan de Flandres) is of a no hooped sort too. All the images I've seen show no indication that the gowns open below the waist of the skirt. Most lacing visibly finishes at the waist, such as the two main figures in the Herod image. I have seen, and cannot find it again, a c1500s painting with the Madonna weeping and what may be side lacing. But I cant find it again so that may be poor memory. Regards, Michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com *lj, blogger, myspace, facebook, yahoo groups**, tribe and lots of fora online.... ** Yahoo only just left me back in after a few months of bad coding _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 19:38:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56Nck5f010394 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:38:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56NcfuD021126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:38:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56NcPKX075276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56NcOti072185; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56NcLut072100 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c9e.2e746b0e (30737) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:38:10 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61d1c2c9-62f8-48b0-a3f3-c5f8c6137a5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4849CA81.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:38:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO With tailoring head on, I'd say that on a modern garment, they should match. Generally it's simply a case of fiddling about with both body and sleeve patterns till they do. A little off is less of an issue (up to half an inch or so) - more than that and I'd personally have to alter. Debbie In a message dated 06/06/2008 19:01:46 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 19:44:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56NiBiu010512 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:44:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56Ni68a016198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56NhmhE075624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56Nhk41076276; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56NhgkC076164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathleen@hanrahan.org) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([166.128.212.54]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v9.1.4.1) with ASMTP (SSL) id MDX84635 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:43:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4849CB8E.5090002@hanrahan.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:43:10 -0500 From: Kathleen Hanrahan Organization: homenode group, inc. 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I think that this is it: Kathleen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIScsRl1I2MRCAstYRAmuzAJ9MXYd0u+Fkly07wuXNzI8Yb911aQCfRl+S sqR1RuI38Q1v4MzjQ8r8Ex4= =wPvg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 19:44:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m56NiewV010516 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m56NiXXV012370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m56NiLcJ075676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56NiLm5076723; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m56NiHFG076624 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id agZF1Z0030vp7WLA80W000; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:44:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ank91Z00L00zNUK8R00000; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:44:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=WU2VWGmz0H9K_0kBw0IA:9 a=EagBre5QsdIUePSK1Hxb4bP-jKEA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5fd015e6a4f5d808ae65889e71b3f7ec@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:44:08 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a28589a1-3f2a-4284-babe-c20d929607ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4849CBE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:44:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can do that in the back, but the front sleeve seam is so low, where I think it needs to be, that the front princess seam can't match. It may be that I recall only seeing the back seams match in the past. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > With tailoring head on, I'd say that on a modern garment, they should > match. > > Generally it's simply a case of fiddling about with both body and > sleeve > patterns till they do. > > A little off is less of an issue (up to half an inch or so) - more > than that > and I'd personally have to alter. > > > > Debbie > > > > > In a message dated 06/06/2008 19:01:46 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages > since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If > anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. > > My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. > Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. > I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess > seams > that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam > downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front > sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently > garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the > front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are > often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd > see > where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need > to match on either the front or the back? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 20:14:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m570ERg4011465 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:14:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m570ELHh005687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m570E9o0077149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m570E9rF097911; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m570E5tJ097785 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c4a.2b939004 (39952) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:13:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6afa3774-6ef8-4d52-8c17-6e4421fd16fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4849D2DD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2008 3:27:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: 2 piece, vertically **************** A shape that evolved obviously to accommodate the natural curve of the arm when at rest by one's side. For centuries the outside seam falls at the shortest part of that arch: from where your arm meets your chest down to the mid point of where your arm "folds" on itself when you bend your elbow to the wrist bone where the metacarpal bone for you thumb attaches. The longer outside seam usually runs from a little higher than where your arm attaches to your torso in back, at the shoulder blade, across the bony part of the elbow to the protruding bone of the wrist. Matching the seams on the bodice was not really a concern. The way one's arm hangs was the deciding factor. It's interesting how the earlier versions....all the way to the 19th century.... are two identical curved pieces, the difference being the top piece had a sleeve head and the under sleeve piece is scooped out to eliminate fabric under the arm. Otherwise, it's the same curved piece. Indeed sometimes the above the elbow part of the sleeve in the back is a straight seam. It could be cut on the fold [and is sometimes] without a seam at all until after the elbow. The shorter inside curve usually is a curve from the shoulder to the wrist. Still even later, like the late 19th century, especially on men's coats, the under sleeve piece becomes narrower than the top piece, nudging both seams to the underside of the sleeve. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 09:12:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57DC0fV021843 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:12:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57DBtjT006476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:11:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57DBUGo016583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57DBPLb095759; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m57DBLAs095665 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66186 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2008 13:11:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A1V4Cv4VM1l2K4lCevdlzI8umRLnnfSD5Eq5lBAWD3CE5BU_TqhY.njCinUvRLSyGw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:11:16 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 06:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <500733.64333.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e395769c-888a-49df-9023-c78c2973ed2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484A891B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:11:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't actually understand what do you mean by the front not matching seams, as on the sleeve, there should only be one seam just in the middle of the armhole and one in the back. The seams in the back are not meant to match, most drafting methods produce bodice and sleeve pattern's seams independent of each other. So it's quite common for tailors that these seams don't match. In my patternmaking course they even didn't make the front (or underarm) seams to match, so that we could gather the sleeve's head just as we wanted and weren't limited by matching of any seams. More modern patternmaking methods, however, produce matching seams. The Rundschau patternmaking system I use has a matching underarm seam. The Burda patterns I think have both seams matching. You can always adjust the pattern so that the back seams match. You just have to guess right how much ease you'd need for the sleeve to sew into the armhole. It depends on the distance from the top to the seam and the fabric itself (how easy it would gather without making ugly bulks). The further from the sleeve top the seam is, the more ease you should add. Note that the whole back part should be roughly 3cm wider than the same part of the armhole - and the gathering should be biggest at the top and fade out going to the bottom. I suggest to stop gathering about 6-7 cm from the underarm seam. (I admit my pattern has the underarm seam slightly pushed to the front, which makes the whole back part larger, so in other patterns where the undearm seam is just in the middle, the numbers I said might be slightly smaller.) Zuzana Zuzana __________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:08:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57I8EEH031650 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:08:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57I89cv016894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:08:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57I7qJv033637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57I7nbD016349; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m57I7kbC016253 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 52746 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2008 18:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hPuA9LsVM1lPqpa1Nuz6S5bjBEb.ZKgk55912BKRIicpvA2wpvXL1XPI50RYxNqTHhVkY2IS2Aa0dIIz7p0_Nogyh8J4ubMAEmMwqpNGWeT8thcmXnYKhTdxhUI- Received: from [76.237.193.58] by web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:07:40 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <830115.52698.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] General sewing lists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f38af07-d7fd-4a63-a99f-615ef5c1ad86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484ACE89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Carol Mitchell Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:10:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57IA1iW031713 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:10:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57I9u9c008588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:10:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57I8PKF033673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57I8Pjq016788; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m57I7kMB016252 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 52746 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2008 18:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hPuA9LsVM1lPqpa1Nuz6S5bjBEb.ZKgk55912BKRIicpvA2wpvXL1XPI50RYxNqTHhVkY2IS2Aa0dIIz7p0_Nogyh8J4ubMAEmMwqpNGWeT8thcmXnYKhTdxhUI- Received: from [76.237.193.58] by web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:07:40 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <830115.52698.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] General sewing lists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66d1084a-b4ed-4d44-b005-d9885e51224a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484ACEF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Carol Mitchell Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 15:29:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57JTW1Q002102 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:29:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57JTQA9015276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57JT2HI037839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57JT0IR074903; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57JSrs4074597 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D809F05B5 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:30:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20080606201753.SCBN1714.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20080606201753.SCBN1714.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806071530.58472.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] new elist for research in Textiles and Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c26a0d4b-f132-4ed4-b32f-5c346eb7c64c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484AE196.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:29:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 06 June 2008 4:15:41 pm Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > As you know, it is a bit difficult to keep up with the literature, > conferences, symposia, etc. in the field of textiles and clothing > from the post-Roman through the early modern periods (500-1600CE). It > is a field spanning many disciplines in many languages with the > indexing of the journals quite scattered (if indexed at all) and many > titles not well publicized or easily available outside their country > of publication. Well, in an informal discussion after a DISTAFF > session at the last International Medieval Congress (Kalamazoo 2008) > several of us (Dr. Carole Collier Frick, Dr. Gale Owen-Crocker, Robin > Netherton and myself) bemoaned this and it was decided that an elist > might be useful. So I have created two: > > A discussion list, MEDTC-DISCUSS: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-DISCUSS/ > > and a newsletter list for announcements of titles, etc. : > MEDTC-RESOURCES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-RESOURCES/ I have joined both and agree that they will be useful. Thank you. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 16:16:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57KGrKh003823 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:16:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57KGlXX021354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:16:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57KGVH4040459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57KGUpX013698; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57KGSbt013608 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from vms030.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.132]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K240020D0B7OY37@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:16:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [70.110.142.228] by mailbox.verizon.net with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:16:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:16:18 -0500 (CDT) From: kathysmassmail@verizon.net X-Originating-IP: [70.110.142.228] To: Historical Costume Message-id: <32511377.12905841212869779017.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Verizon webmail X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] new elist for research in Textiles and Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b610ff45-e455-41c3-8698-3f82fece5886 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484AECAF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Is the list only for a select few? --Kathy On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Friday 06 June 2008 4:15:41 pm Beth and Bob Matney wrote: >> As you know, it is a bit difficult to keep up with the literature, >> conferences, symposia, etc. in the field of textiles and clothing >> from the post-Roman through the early modern periods (500-1600CE). >> A discussion list, MEDTC-DISCUSS: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-DISCUSS/ >> >> and a newsletter list for announcements of titles, etc. : >> MEDTC-RESOURCES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-RESOURCES/ > > I have joined both and agree that they will be useful. Thank you. > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 18:07:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57M7rsY007640 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:07:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57M7l34020037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57M7KMx046539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57M7Ho0085724; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57M7Epf085659 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W24 ([64.4.19.124]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:07:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.117.16.18] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:07:08 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2008 22:07:09.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[D45657F0:01C8C8EA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a85c53a0-744b-48db-88f2-0fa1f7ad865a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484B06B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:07:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for that explanation. I can see what you meant now.I think that the = 2 peice would definitely hang better if cut that way. It can even make the = slit/peek-a-boo area easier to align.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: Albe= rtCat@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:13:55 -0400> To: h-costume@indra.co= m> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves> > > In a message dated 6/6/2008 3= :27:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes:> > 2 piece, ver= tically> > > ****************> > A shape that evolved obviously to accommod= ate the natural curve of the arm > when at rest by one's side. For centurie= s the outside seam falls at the > shortest part of that arch: from where yo= ur arm meets your chest down to the mid > point of where your arm "folds" o= n itself when you bend your elbow to the wrist > bone where the metacarpal = bone for you thumb attaches. The longer outside > seam usually runs from a = little higher than where your arm attaches to your > torso in back, at the = shoulder blade, across the bony part of the elbow to the > protruding bone = of the wrist. Matching the seams on the bodice was not really > a concern. = The way one's arm hangs was the deciding factor.> > It's interesting how th= e earlier versions....all the way to the 19th > century.... are two identic= al curved pieces, the difference being the top piece had > a sleeve head an= d the under sleeve piece is scooped out to eliminate fabric > under the arm= . Otherwise, it's the same curved piece. Indeed sometimes the > above the e= lbow part of the sleeve in the back is a straight seam. It could be > cut o= n the fold [and is sometimes] without a seam at all until after the > elbow= . The shorter inside curve usually is a curve from the shoulder to the wris= t. > > Still even later, like the late 19th century, especially on men's co= ats, the > under sleeve piece becomes narrower than the top piece, nudging = both seams > to the underside of the sleeve.> > > > **************Get trade= secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL = Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4?&NCID=3Daolfod0003000= 0000002)> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailin= g list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-= costume _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join yo= u on Windows Live=99 Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=3DTXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 18:47:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m57MlrHt009101 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:47:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m57Mlm6C028402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57MlSUV048576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57MlS6f010181; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m57MlPmb010139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C472249E3 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <484B0FF9.4070107@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:47:21 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <32511377.12905841212869779017.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> In-Reply-To: <32511377.12905841212869779017.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] new elist for research in Textiles and Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90e2f19e-8b74-481f-8111-100421060f4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484B1014.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:47:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO kathysmassmail@verizon.net wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried to join MEDTC-DISCUSS and I was denied. Any idea why the > moderator would be denying people? > > Is the list only for a select few? > --Kathy > I got on, and I'm not select -- but be sure to put in a personal note if it gives you a box for it. That way the moderator will know you're not a spammer. I said I was a medieval hat fanatic -- it doesn't have to be much, just something clearly not spam, I expect. Probably saying you heard about it on h-cost would be plenty. I moderate a couple of lists through Yahoo and you'd be surprised how many spammers try to get on even tiny lists. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 22:44:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m582iBS2017743 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:44:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m582i69M008576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m582hhCP060883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m582hfIx045599; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m582hcCs045519 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.182]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080608024332.KDYR22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:43:32 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.182]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080608024331.NER28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:41:57 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080608024331.NER28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] new elist for research in Textiles and Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a56b39cb-4d5d-43a1-a8e1-85a558257828 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484B4776.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have received several requests to join MEDTC-DISCUSS since I posted the announcement here. Most I accepted, but a few I rejected. This was not personal. I simply could not determine who they were or where they heard about the list and I was concerned about spam. Try again. If you are on h-costume, at a minimum please say so and give your name in the comment field. With no comment, you will be denied. A few seem to have thought that it was a SCA or other reenactment list. It is not. I also have no intention in competing with h-costume, we serve different purposes. I will be remaining on h-costume. >A discussion list, MEDTC-DISCUSS: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-DISCUSS/ > >and a newsletter list for announcements of titles, etc. : >MEDTC-RESOURCES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-RESOURCES/ > >These lists are academic in focus and scholarly in tone. Discussion >of personal projects (other than publications), reproduction >techniques, supplies, social or re-enactment events, etc. should be >taken elsewhere. Please see the full descriptions at the links above. Thank you. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 06:18:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m58AIC4j022260 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:18:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m58AI6e6017004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:18:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m58AHlTS084124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 04:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m58AHjp2078340; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 04:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m58AHfNb078245 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 04:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58013 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2008 10:17:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e0u3vkcVM1npPdlTiaqKPLhJSv9svBwHd6yIBi28PdRkydBSf_vJTGBjudUcTo8JEDzL73KUTCbt_FpcUTI.7WMCYGknslRwuA-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:17:36 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 03:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <420418.57236.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] new book: Corsets: Historic Patterns and Techniques X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7645c4e-3a68-4ac3-b0f2-875a7fc46487 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484BB1DE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO See what I found: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsets-Historic-Techniques-Jill-Salen/dp/1906388016/ref=pd_sbs_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1211385839&sr=8-11 Looks good! Perhaps another of the few useful sources about making corsets... Zuzana Zuzana __________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 10:38:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m58Ec97m003355 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:38:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m58Ec49a029212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m58EbUdN099769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m58EbRIJ053250; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m58EbNbg053156 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44668 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2008 14:37:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OiF6TEoVM1l5uICjjZTFgvyDwYrA33oqDdjcuYx27CvEeS_DrEs0IQotmhcPTuaVv5pVmny.vH9Ef7j5dixhbuZmqXs7V4vJC7XAQtlsjMVos4BfPeamFAJZD_0- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:37:18 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 07:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <452124.43773.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Another new book: Pattern Cutting for Men's Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7334bd7f-7c07-42ab-a47f-2e531ca08e21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484BEECC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:38:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061/ref=cm_pdp_profile_reg_itm?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3KJHNCB8D3ZQ9&colid=1VNW1G2JC020I Another interesting one I've found. Expected in September 2008. Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 13:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m58Hf1eu011496 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m58Hetd2020262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m58HeRgL010841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m58HeOqq086451; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m58HeM6s086438 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2011435rvb.11 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr1491107rvi.205.1212946822156; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:40:22 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806061542x1c3be450md85a7c6cb4d7f313@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <322439.73271.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <73fb7a5f0806061542x1c3be450md85a7c6cb4d7f313@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cd074e5-d4c9-4b60-9565-c14216712048 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484C19A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > least one figure in the Herod scene has a close front bodice and if > you haven't already started the bodice that might be a way to go. > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/o/ordonez/d_felipe.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/lazarus2.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/herodias.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/b/borgona/ladyhare.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gallego/catholic.html > Those are examples from 1490-1515 with the closed front and no hoops. > I think the bust portrait you have (also on WGA and by Juan de > Flandres) is of a no hooped sort too. > Thanks for the help. What really caught my eye was the portrait of Juana la Loca. I looked for a bodice in the 1490s that carried out that theme. I have the kirtle underneath. The bodice is cut out and the eyes bought for the laces. I have a lot of embroidery throughout. I have most of my good gowns with closed bodices, lacing in the back, side, front. I wanted something I had nothing of for some special silk a friend brought me back from China. I have had to study completely new cuts and ideas for this. 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Thanks for the help! --Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 00:31:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m594VAJB005582 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:31:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m594V3TW016836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:31:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m594SmBh062345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m594ScPO064427; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m594SYit064330 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bVjh1Z0060S2fkCAA0e100; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:28:29 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bgUN1Z00A3kY7qX8V00000; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:28:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GB2DkmNfSGAA:10 a=Kui6-7nWN60A:10 a=Mx8GH7ELAAAA:8 a=AuFK5t2xdKOeHwvVxTsA:9 a=t1bHufxZ2ZJbIDQLUggA:7 a=3C03y9e-9uP4DSdnoXK6KMOjb48A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Message-ID: <484CB166.9080707@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:28:22 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Regency silliness in two short weeks... 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Meet up at 8PM sharp aboard the ruins for dance, drink and good company! Come as you are, whether Passenger, Pirate, Native, Merfolk or member of Her Majesty's Royal Navy. If your wardrobe was relocated to Davy Jones' Locker during the fateful storm, fashion yourself new togs from local flora (grass skirts are all the rage among the natives!). We've made peace with the island inhabitants and the merfolk in the bay, so we will feast with them on seafood, fresh fruits, springwater and provisions salvaged from the hold. The contribution of exotic new delicacies from forays inland are welcome - as long as you have already tried them first. Subscriptions are $20 at the door, $15 in advance. $2 discount for GBACG, BACDS, and COYOTE/SFCOP members. Advance mail registrations must be received by us no later than June 18th. Costumes admired but not required. All dances taught during the ball. No partner required. 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See http://www.baers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 11:44:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AFiB1Z021408 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:44:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AFi5Zb001564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AFhUNF014675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AFhPe2002407; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-3.unl.edu (wm-imp-3.unl.edu [129.93.2.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AFhL6d002264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5AFhKxq028177 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:20 -0500 Received: from pcp078106pcs.unl.edu (pcp078106pcs.unl.edu [129.93.149.23]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20080610104320.lmuwf9j5cockgwws@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:20 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <32511377.12905841212869779017.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <484B0FF9.4070107@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <484B0FF9.4070107@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d18c8b4a-e329-4dd8-a35f-205e2cd57687 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484EA145.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left, http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the "Look, first the hoops were worn on the outside, but very quickly they became an underskirt and hidden" interpretation. I was thinking about the allegorical aspect of religious art. Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the head of John the Baptist. Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on the outside? (if that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her?) Are there any other depictions, anywhere, of hoops on the outside? Any thoughts? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 12:52:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AGq48F024114 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:52:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AGptoV006224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AGpDCT020555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AGp97s083315; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18eqhGL6w/TCTb/uCFhC/Eze0ZGFVzj+x4@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AGp6Ub083256 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5AGoDrf031567 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:50:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 7775 invoked by uid 80); 10 Jun 2008 16:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2008 16:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <484EB0F5.1070000@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:51:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <32511377.12905841212869779017.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <484B0FF9.4070107@thibault.org> <20080610104320.lmuwf9j5cockgwws@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080610104320.lmuwf9j5cockgwws@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ff21a63-b70f-409f-8153-fde215a8ea12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484EB12B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:52:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left, > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is > generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of > farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the "Look, first the > hoops were worn on the outside, but very quickly they became an > underskirt and hidden" interpretation. I was thinking about the > allegorical aspect of religious art. > > Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the head > of John the Baptist. > > Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to > hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on the > outside? Here's a color version with a larger view: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Retable.jpg I should note first that I've never studied the Spanish farthingale in Spanish art, and perhaps these hoops-on-the-outside are all over the place in more reliable contexts. However, if this is the only example handy, I'd want more collaboration. The first problem is, of course, that Salome is often depicted with layers of artistic clues to indicate she is (a) historical, (b) Biblical, (c) foreign, (d) a dancer, and (e) a "bad" woman on the lines of a courtesan. So any style that specifically shows up on Salome or other similar characters, particularly if it is very showy or bizarre, may be a deliberate artistic attempt to show something not worn by real live women of the artist's time. Second is the specific issue you note -- that Salome was traditionally supposed to have danced in not-quite-full-dress. In medieval paintings you don't generally see her naked (I can't think of even one but I wouldn't be surprised if there's an example out there somewhere). But I can think of at least one image in which she is shown without the layers one would expect of a princess. (It is a c. 1300 English manuscript illumination in which she is wearing only a simple single dress layer while she is dancing, but in the adjacent scene, when she presents the platter, she has obvious multiple layers like the other women present.) Here's an image of a Spanish Salome from perhaps slightly earlier than your example, showing Salome wearing the hooped thing as an underskirt. Go to the 12th row, left: http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html (I haven't taken the time to look at the rest of the many images on this page so perhaps there's even another one in there somewhere!) However, in the example Emma cites, Salome is not dancing, but is in the platter scene, and with two ladies. Emma goes on to ask: > If that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her? It is possible that by this point, the visible hoops had become code for "Salome" and were picked up by other artists of the same region and used in a broader context in paintings having to do with Salome. I have seen the same thing happen with other styles in 15th c. art in Flanders, when a dress detail was used with a clear purpose by an early painter (such as ven der Weyden or van Eyck) and the later ones picked up and ran with it with less focused consideration. However, I toss that out only as a possibility to explore, for someone willing to look at a whole lot of Spanish art, and particularly at depictions of Salome and other similar religious/historical figures. It's not a judgment I can make based on two examples! It might make a very cool paper for someone, though. (Particularly if you could spend a few weeks nosing around at the zillions of unreproduced medieval images that seem to be hanging all over Spain in churches and small art collections.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 13:22:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AHMdGK025737 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:22:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AHMWlo018670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AHMA5K024432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHMAov018048; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHM6vW017990 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5758040CBF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:22:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20080610104320.lmuwf9j5cockgwws@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33bcf72f-e3fb-4c28-b639-7c5c36f02c7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484EB858.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The only place I have heard/seen of Salome dancing naked (near naked) is in Hollywood pictures. Anyway, if you look at the two women behind her, they are wearing the same type of hoop skirt so I am inclined to say that she is not dressed only in her under garments. I believe that there are more examples of this type of Spanish dress somewhere. Slight trivia: The Salome mentioned in the bible is the mother of the apostles James and John. It is in the book by Joseph Flavius that mentions a daughter of Herodias. In the bible, all it said was that the daughter danced and that the head was given to her and she gave it to Herodias and not the King. The King, if it wear not for the promise would not have kill John. -----Original Message----- I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left, http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the "Look, first the hoops were worn on the outside, but very quickly they became an underskirt and hidden" interpretation. I was thinking about the allegorical aspect of religious art. Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the head of John the Baptist. Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on the outside? (if that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her?) Are there any other depictions, anywhere, of hoops on the outside? Any thoughts? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 13:34:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AHY3S4026139 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:34:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AHXv2j006424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AHXj3I025446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHXjr6031027; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHXguU030846 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c34.34c3bcca (41809) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:33:26 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 627aa712-2e20-4102-a22c-8b5acf10744c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484EBB05.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/10/2008 12:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, robin@netherton.net writes: If that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her? It is possible that by this point, the visible hoops had become code for "Salome" and were picked up by other artists of the same region and used in a broader context in paintings having to do with Salome. ******************************* You'll notice that the Royal Family, Salome, Herodias and Antipas, are all in the same beige and black brocade....or embroidery, or whatever the pattern represents. It seems logical within the context of just this painting that the hoops on the other kneeling ladies are to show they are part of Salome's train. Great painting, isn't it? I love all the hand gestures, denoting astonishment(?) **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 13:56:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AHuIrN026995 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:56:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AHuCZA008600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:56:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AHtERu027499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHtCBf054460; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/4b2yjBmhbjwP3dU6/9z+V7S4wDq6AzOc@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AHt9pf054392 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5AHsM28014026 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:54:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 13071 invoked by uid 80); 10 Jun 2008 17:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2008 17:55:04 -0000 Message-ID: <484EBFF5.8070100@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:55:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6617dd19-e6cc-4730-9387-89e0b7d9b435 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 484EC03D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Great painting, isn't it? I love all the hand gestures, denoting > astonishment(?) Not to mention the bizarre non-perspective of the platter, and the dishes on the table. Talk about hand gestures (and facial expressions) -- see my absolute favorite Salome here (click and blow up to enjoy): http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/massys/quentin/1/st_john3.html I spent ages standing in front of it in Antwerp. Quentin Massys may be strange, but he's never dull. You can just hear Salome saying, "Did I do good, Mommy?" (I disagree with the comment on the WGA page saying her face bears the "stamp of evil.") Nice dress, too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 14:27:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AIRSjB028189 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:27:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AIRNNi015435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AIR5YS030345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AIR5kX093533; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AIR46L093517 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so605707ana.65 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.92.9 with SMTP id p9mr6001476anb.13.1213122423352; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.17 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:27:03 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b3bcc90-def0-43b5-aec2-0c471995f0b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484EC78B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:27:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought you'd all like to see what has to be the best version of this painting EVER available made available, now at Wikimedia Commons. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.png commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.jpg Back-story: I purchased a 10x14 giclee print (size within the white border) from AllPosters.com and had it copied at a very good pre-press service here in Hollywood. My book designer, Dick Margulis, worked some magic on it for the Compendium cover. Then my webmistress, Kate, compressed it further and made it available to the world. I recommend using the png version for detailed examination.The jpg version will fit nicely on a desktop. Enjoy! MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 14:42:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AIg99H028849 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AIg4Ym008942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AIfnrJ031486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AIfmSp011719; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AIfguL011531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2957 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K68mn-0004L4-9C for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:41:37 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080610194108.039172c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:41:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ea5499b-07a0-40cc-af8f-e91353cf7784 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484ECAFC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:27 10/06/2008, you wrote: > I thought you'd all like to see what has to be the best version of this >painting EVER available made available, now at Wikimedia Commons. > >commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.png >commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.jpg > >Back-story: I purchased a 10x14 giclee print (size within the white border) >from AllPosters.com and had it copied at a very good pre-press service here >in Hollywood. My book designer, Dick Margulis, worked some magic on it for >the Compendium cover. Then my webmistress, Kate, compressed it further and >made it available to the world. > >I recommend using the png version for detailed examination.The jpg version >will fit nicely on a desktop. > >Enjoy! > >MaggiRos Thank you so much. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 14:58:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AIwq4l029793 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AIwjQ8030897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AIu5tV032752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AIu2YL026727; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AItxMZ026582 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080610185553.OGKK22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:55:53 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080610185545.KCMD28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:55:45 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:53:49 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080610185545.KCMD28954.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 478d3d0a-aac0-424e-a1eb-2d60a777ef78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484ECEE5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO for more images see: Anderson, Ruth Matilda. Hispanic Costume, 1480-1530. Hispanic notes & monographs. New York: Hispanic Society of America, 1979. ISBN:0875351263 9780875351261 OCLC:4858873 http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=isbn%3A0875351263 Note that the shape is different from the later cone shaped "Elizabethan" Spanish farthingale (that I've always rather liked. Antonio Moro (Anthony More, Antonis Mor van Dashorst) did a lovely full sized standing portrait of the Infanta Clara Eugenia that is part of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts collection. It had an impact on me years ago... Beth >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:20 -0500 >From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > >I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left, >http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is >generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of >farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the "Look, first the >hoops were worn on the outside, but very quickly they became an >underskirt and hidden" interpretation. I was thinking about the >allegorical aspect of religious art. > >Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the head >of John the Baptist. > >Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to >hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on the >outside? (if that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies >behind her?) Are there any other depictions, anywhere, of hoops on >the outside? > >Any thoughts? > >Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 15:08:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AJ8spR030143 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AJ8m7k003206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AJ8UE2033623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AJ8UtR039688; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5AJ8QIs039525 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEE7WH3ALHNZ5S for (sender ); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78x4LBuRDmx2hRKKtphWBVeTBY081CSMnw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NMCL2D6T; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:06:45 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:06:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:06:27 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080610.140627.7304.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1787559793 X-MAIL-INFO: 46047525758161690c00b10c0044cd05510580805945bdad01a059adade090891549e53db1f07571910421e94904940d11a9b1ed490020814035b145308d0020207035452024208d31f9b0a1a13d14096de170796074e971e06df4d1a0d59d25514904b104002d610d40810d40c455900590a0a0c0a9f0802901c0808059ad317169747981150475b0490cbd6949f4254df581356940ed0011b481a9459540eded91b4a9eda1ed95c1501df9f979d170443d91b5e0d9bd7559d5c4d401d064b10569490c4921b18121b11140b111c5059d10ad45906010d9c9b490e9d931bda0d91575e069706904001161b16940 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9370b7fb-fe80-4ff5-8ae1-1cfc038ef989 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484ED140.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 16:42:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AKgHpb001862 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:42:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AKg7rb010328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AKebiD041290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AKeYqh039913; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AKeVFg039852 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 44EC13BAB7 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:40:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16ceb658-ffb6-47cb-be95-0852631ff8a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484EE720.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu I knew I would find the site with the other "farthingale styles. -----Original Message----- Re this picture: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Re table.jpg The farthingale worn on the outside is seen all over the place in Spanish art, at least according to Ruth Matilda Anderson, in _Hispanic Fashion: 1480-1530_ (a book I highly recommend if you're interested in Spanish fashion!) so it's not just an oddity of the picture above. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 16:48:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5AKm6oc002091 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:48:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5AKm16O027271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5AKlZI4041919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AKlZpF046933; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5AKlWFl046869 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 007233BA4A for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:47:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6461d1d8-3549-43bd-9f11-436c2c00a4af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484EE881.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:48:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- I thought you'd all like to see what has to be the best version of this painting EVER available made available, now at Wikimedia Commons. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Joris_Hoefnagel_Fete_at_Bermondsey_c _1569.png http://tinyurl.com/4tdbsv commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Joris_Hoefnagel_Fete_at_Bermondsey_c _1569.jpg http://tinyurl.com/3zbxb9 Back-story: I purchased a 10x14 giclee print (size within the white border) from AllPosters.com and had it copied at a very good pre-press service here in Hollywood. My book designer, Dick Margulis, worked some magic on it for the Compendium cover. Then my webmistress, Kate, compressed it further and made it available to the world. I recommend using the png version for detailed examination.The jpg version will fit nicely on a desktop. Enjoy! MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 17:27:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ALRcjc004448 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ALRXtu020007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ALQE93045474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ALQDU6086390; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ALQCsu086359 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1598704wra.23 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.71.16 with SMTP id y16mr5303716ank.66.1213133171619; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.17 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92691000-bd1d-48c1-9e15-6d08fddfda6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 484EF1C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh dear! I didn't think it was going to break or I'd have tiny'd it myself. Thanks! On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- > I thought you'd all like to see what has to be the best version of this > painting EVER available made available, now at Wikimedia Commons. > > commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.png > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Joris_Hoefnagel_Fete_at_Bermondsey_c > _1569.png > > http://tinyurl.com/4tdbsv > > > commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...1569.jpg > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Joris_Hoefnagel_Fete_at_Bermondsey_c > _1569.jpg > > http://tinyurl.com/3zbxb9 > > Back-story: I purchased a 10x14 giclee print (size within the white border) > from AllPosters.com and had it copied at a very good pre-press service here > in Hollywood. My book designer, Dick Margulis, worked some magic on it for > the Compendium cover. Then my webmistress, Kate, compressed it further and > made it available to the world. > > I recommend using the png version for detailed examination.The jpg version > will fit nicely on a desktop. > > Enjoy! > > MaggiRos > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: A handbook for writers, actors, & re-enactors ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 17:36:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ALac3x004772 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:36:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ALaXvO014040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ALaEp0046292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ALaDaC095887; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+dJoZAxMdvr765p4jE4OMJNsqldYyenx4@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ALaAl0095794 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5ALZGvh028771 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:35:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 32660 invoked by uid 80); 10 Jun 2008 21:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2008 21:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <484EF3C6.9000904@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:36:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0139253-3273-4b8f-a6c5-3bda9d6afda7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484EF3E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:36:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO otsisto wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu > I knew I would find the site with the other "farthingale styles. Great collection. You can get a little information about the images by holding the cursor over them, and some show you closeups (but not all, and not all the linked ones work). The unanswered question: Of the very few that show the farthingale worn alone (without an overskirt), are any meant to show a 15th c. Spanish woman in realistic fashion? Some of the images are clearly religious, allegorical, historical, or foreign. Of course this may in part reflect the nature of the available art -- much of which was religious or allegorical. One or two of them may represent women deliberately shown in a state of semi-undress. There doesn't seem to be as much of a problem with the images that show the farthingale as a partially visible underlayer; it looks like at least some are realistic. Number of images is one thing, and of course that has to be where to start. But context is the next question. I have on occasion found hundreds of depictions of a style that I still could not in good faith argue was routinely worn in life, because in essentially every image the choice of garment had a clear rhetorical significance in context. To answer the question of whether the Spanish farthingale with visible hoops, worn as the outer layer, was ever a real fashion for real women -- and, if so, when and where and by whom -- a researcher would need to gather dozens or hundreds of images and look at them with an eye to subject matter, medium, region, and time period. There's a really good paper topic for someone who cares about this fashion! (I've done it for some other fashions, but not this one.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 19:18:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ANIj0b009930 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:18:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ANId6e014908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ANHnbE054242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ANHkfL005697; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ANHhxo005641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-250-81.desm.qwest.net [71.214.250.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ANHghP023077 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:17:42 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1B0F8B72-20F8-4DF5-9FFE-B0F801999261@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:17:41 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7429/Tue Jun 10 15:18:22 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5dd6c66-7446-4206-b679-e3ddc144a1dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484F0BCF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Emma, this is definitely not underwear and it has nothing to do with Salome herself. It's more of a fad among the well-to-do, from roughly 1470 to 1500, in Spain. My guess is that the artist used this style of dress to indicate that Salome was a lady of high rank. (My Bible dictionary says that she was the king's stepdaughter; she danced for the king and his dinner guests so probably NOT naked.) There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough] "Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530" by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place to get started if you're interested in this era. Suzanne > Date: June 10, 2008 10:43:20 AM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left, http:// > www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is > generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of farthingale/ > virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the "Look, first the hoops were > worn on the outside, but very quickly they became an underskirt and > hidden" interpretation. I was thinking about the allegorical > aspect of religious art. > > Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the > head of John the Baptist. > > Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to > hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on > the outside? (if that's true, why are hoops also visible on the > ladies behind her?) Are there any other depictions, anywhere, of > hoops on the outside? > > Any thoughts? > > Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 20:45:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5B0jCXt013808 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:45:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5B0j7Fp022238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:45:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5B0ifvI059517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B0ieMp071877; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B0iZX4071814 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so205114ugc.17 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.19 with SMTP id w19mr752855ugg.58.1213145074328; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806101744o453d7eeer1dfb1413e9d8ef54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:44:34 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <1B0F8B72-20F8-4DF5-9FFE-B0F801999261@cybermesa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1B0F8B72-20F8-4DF5-9FFE-B0F801999261@cybermesa.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec1564a7-eb19-4628-8933-c7941ed4491e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484F2013.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough] > "Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530" by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the > author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by > garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place > to get started if you're interested in this era. And it's more than just a picture book;) There are samples of texts that collaborate what is seen in art. There are examples real people wearing what the saints do in the artwork and vice versa- to a degree anyway, there are probably symbols in the costume to signify these are important people from the past. I have seen hoops on figures depicting real women but they had the four panel over skirt on top. More hoops as per the Salome image: http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 While the ladies are probably depicted in such a way that they would read as antique or foreign to the intended audience the hooped skirts themselves do match to the texts very well. One fashion was to have hoops contrast in colour as ell as texture. Apparently a deep red (crimson I think) and green were a favourite combination. This is from Hispanic Costume and the author comparing the colours in several text (inventories and wardrobe accounts etc.) Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 22:13:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5B2D7u9017594 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:13:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5B2D1M2009177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:13:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5B2Cjkj064362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B2ChCK031393; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/VLEcGsr70iybBuEOt+EJd9Q2g0/5tlXc@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B2CeLk031363 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5B2BrbH001841 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:11:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 17986 invoked by uid 80); 11 Jun 2008 02:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:39 -0000 Message-ID: <484F3493.8060500@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:12:35 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <1B0F8B72-20F8-4DF5-9FFE-B0F801999261@cybermesa.com> <73fb7a5f0806101744o453d7eeer1dfb1413e9d8ef54@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806101744o453d7eeer1dfb1413e9d8ef54@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0102f91a-b3f4-4d8f-a375-bb0c07d8acfb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 484F34AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:13:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO michaela de bruce wrote: >> There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough] >> "Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530" by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the >> author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by >> garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place >> to get started if you're interested in this era. > > And it's more than just a picture book;) There are samples of texts > that collaborate what is seen in art. It sounds like that's the book to have. Textual analysis adds a world of meaning. > There are examples real people wearing what the saints do in the > artwork and vice versa- to a degree anyway, there are probably symbols > in the costume to signify these are important people from the past. I > have seen hoops on figures depicting real women but they had the four > panel over skirt on top. And that brings us back to the question that started this discussion: Whether it was a popular fashion to wear the hoop skirt alone, rather than an underlayer. > More hoops as per the Salome image: > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 Although this is another Biblical image, it does make me think that perhaps the key is not simply real vs. biblical/historical/allegorical, but also the nature of the setting and the mood the artist wanted to evoke. This appears to be a Birth of Mary image, and the scene takes place in the confines of a lady's chamber, with only other ladies in attendance. That's a circumstance where it might make sense for upper-class women to be without their formal overgowns. It may be that showing these women without overskirts reflects the artist's intent to show the intimacy of the scene. If so, the style might be "real," but that doesn't mean it would be considered fashionable for women to have appeared in hoops without overskirts on the street, or at dinner, or at church. Among the handful of other images shown so far of women in hoops without overskirts was a camp follower (what some would call a "laundress") with soldiers -- it was hard to make out detail, but perhaps she was deliberately portrayed as such to give the overtone of half-dress or intimacy (or lack of modesty!) I think there's very likely a layer of meaning here that viewers of the artwork would have understood -- just as people in some not-so-distant cultures would read loads of meaning in the presence and number of aprons a woman wore. Or think about styles for men of a century ago, and the difference between depicting one in a full suit, as opposed to with his jacket off and shirt-sleeves showing. In any of these contexts, artists could use the recognized implications of layers of dress to signify something about the setting or the characters. The 15th c. Flemish painters did as much with the recurring presentation of women in short-sleeved underdresses, worn without a formal overdress, with or without added sleeves to cover the chemise sleeves on the lower half of the arms. You never see this in formal portraits, but you do see the style on realistic working women, AND on upper-class women in private scenes (in fact, I can think of one in another Birth of Mary), AND also as visual code to signify certain Biblical figures (notably Mary Magdalen). Does Anderson say anything about the circumstances in which the hoop-alone style appears in artwork, or does she just refer to it as one option of wearing the clothing, without discussion of the context in which that would have been done? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 23:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5B3xr8q023625 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5B3xmxr012708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5B3sU9L070870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B3sSb8096183; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B3sONO096139 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 53C623BA90 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:54:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:54:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b2865d6-59ae-4e6c-af41-2d01169718c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 484F4DB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 04:55:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5B8tqxU006624 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:55:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5B8tiIT021395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:55:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5B8t3Ww084836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B8swXO000146; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5B8stKS099992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m5B8ssiR009652 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:54:54 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080610.140627.7304.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Fete at Bermondsey-for all the Elizabethan costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 863d0bc7-d326-47bb-bc70-d8687bbdd30c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 484F9310.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 19:15:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5BNFcYn019536 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:15:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5BNFWfE024576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:15:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5BNEq1c055150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNEnOF044807; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNElql044787 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3686953rvb.11 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.157.1 with SMTP id f1mr392624rve.220.1213226087379; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.83.18 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:14:47 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c1171b3-6f49-45c8-990a-893a0615e0ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48505C94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:15:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear All My daughter needs a new Elizabethan gown for our Shakespeare Ball in mid-July. I have made the 'most scrumptious' sleeves but with other commitments don't think I have enough time to make a full court gown at this stage and should think about a doublet. When web browsing last night I looked at doublets and didn't see any that had sleeves, they were mostly sleeveless worn over a linen shirt. I'd hate to leave off these sleeves, so am asking here if anyone has seen highly ornate sleeves worn with doublets anywhere. The sleeves are 3-paned purple velvet with couched gold cord, white trim and gold beads. Also on this topic, she does not like the idea of the doublet done up at the neck, and she cannot wear a ruff as she is a musician on the night playing violin. Do you think it ok to leave open? Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 19:42:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5BNgpIS020542 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:42:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5BNghp6029774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:42:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5BNgRxp056817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNgRAM065945; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNgOI6065900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5BNgMY6026532 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:42:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <688829EE-0895-4F88-B1D0-C00F2C96DB46@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:42:19 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7440/Wed Jun 11 16:39:48 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a20c1f0-c1ba-40ea-9cf7-d9669d3bd6e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485062F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:42:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you, Michaela!! I haven't seen this image before. [Now, do I know anyone going to Barcelona...?] Suzanne > From: "michaela de bruce" > Date: June 10, 2008 7:44:34 PM CDT > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts > > More hoops as per the Salome image: > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 > While the ladies are probably depicted in such a way that they would > read as antique or foreign to the intended audience the hooped skirts > themselves do match to the texts very well. One fashion was to have > hoops contrast in colour as ell as texture. Apparently a deep red > (crimson I think) and green were a favourite combination. This is from > Hispanic Costume and the author comparing the colours in several text > (inventories and wardrobe accounts etc.) > > Michaela > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 19:55:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5BNt5eg021016 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5BNstAD029453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:54:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5BNshs0057442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNshLV075156; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5BNsesk075109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5BNsdeR026810 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:54:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <913E7C37-9203-4563-A561-A7CAF0218C16@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:54:36 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7440/Wed Jun 11 16:39:48 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a701cc60-cbff-4077-8878-f485d5ef56a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485065CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, I think you are pushing this argument too far. There are too many women in this scene for them *all* to be attendants. What I see here is the custom of visiting the mother following delivery to congratulate her on a safe and happy outcome -- some of these ladies have just arrived, so they're not in a state of undress. In fact, I would expect them to be wearing their best on a visit of such ceremonial importance. There is another image, IIRC in a museum in France (will provide reference later), showing Isabella and her ladies in similar gowns with a sort of loose sleeveless overgown, open down the front. Such an overgown would suggest that the gown with hoops on the outside is a fashionable garment and not something that is intended to be hidden. Suzanne > From: Robin Netherton > Date: June 10, 2008 9:12:35 PM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > Although this is another Biblical image, it does make me think that > perhaps the key is not simply real vs. biblical/historical/ > allegorical, but also the nature of the setting and the mood the > artist wanted to evoke. This appears to be a Birth of Mary image, > and the scene takes place in the confines of a lady's chamber, with > only other ladies in attendance. That's a circumstance where it > might make sense for upper-class women to be without their formal > overgowns. > > It may be that showing these women without overskirts reflects the > artist's intent to show the intimacy of the scene. If so, the style > might be "real," but that doesn't mean it would be considered > fashionable for women to have appeared in hoops without overskirts > on the street, or at dinner, or at church. > > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 20:10:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5C0AGcq021691 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:10:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5C0A6vv009368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5C09lmo058113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C09kCX086358; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C09iOB086271 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.ce6.2a88f8e6 (41811) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:09:30 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d17f778b-ccf2-44f9-8393-3c9464bf395f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4850695F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO She can't just wear a doublet. She must wear something to cover the lower half of the body. Do you already have trunk hose of something? If you must make a skirt anyway, it seems to me a gown bodice is easier than a doublet. A gown out of amazing fabric would take less time than a doublet. In many ways more adjustable. Look at a gown that laces up both side back seams....like in Orazio Gentileschi's "Lute Player" ...which is a little past half way on this page: _http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/bio/g/gentiles/orazio/biograph.html_ (http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/bio/g/gentiles/orazio/biograph.html) Imagine that in a fabulous fabric....with your fabulous sleeves tied on as well. Boning could be done with something like Rigelene on a muslin flatlining. Of course I'm thinking you already have a chemise and petticoat laying around somewhere. Anyway, don't discount a gown. There is in Janet Arnold a doublet gown for a small girl [but looks just like an adult gown] with hanging sleeves and real sleeves....or at least lacing holes for real sleeves. But it buttons up right to the standing collar....and across one shoulder too if I am remembering correctly. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 20:16:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5C0G8fa021857 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:16:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5C0Fx6H012243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:16:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5C0Ee7x058392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C0EeZ7089900; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C0EbGo089797 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:14:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bfe.3ca5de72 (41811) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:14:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b49198f-3056-4427-bc2b-759befe2d903 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48506ABF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:16:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 6/11/2008 8:10:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/bio/g/gentiles/orazio/biograph.html *********** I'm sorry.... you have to hit "Works" apparently to get to the images of paintings. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 21:25:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5C1PeVA025149 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:25:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5C1PT9b029405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5C1OxGI062161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C1OvO0044729; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18Qq5wjwMpns9yTsgZDjy++qJhr0beBC9k@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C1OsIr044699 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5C1O2o8030057 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:24:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 9966 invoked by uid 80); 12 Jun 2008 01:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2008 01:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <48507AE1.1010809@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:24:49 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <913E7C37-9203-4563-A561-A7CAF0218C16@cybermesa.com> In-Reply-To: <913E7C37-9203-4563-A561-A7CAF0218C16@cybermesa.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40b981dc-9e7a-4b5f-a523-58589ab542b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48507B09.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzanne wrote: > Robin, I think you are pushing this argument too far. Actually, I'm trying not to make an argument at all! My point is that you can't look at images in isolation. You have to look at a lot of them -- in context, and in combination. As I've said several times, I don't know much about Spanish fashion, and I haven't looked comprehensively at this style in Spanish art. So I have been raising the questions I would want to see answered before I formed an opinion on how the garment was worn (if I were doing that research): Are there sufficient examples of the style, how do they show it being worn, in what circumstances, by what women? What patterns arise that might indicate either actual fashion, or the use of costume by artists in an unrealistic way to achieve a goal? Artists *do* use fashions in this way, particularly in the 15th century. Yet way too often, people (even authors of respected books) take a few images and describe the costume in them as routine wear by fashionable women, without considering the patterns evident in the artwork. I raised several scenarios: The hooped skirt worn alone might be fashionable wear (but the images offered so far don't include much in the way of examples that present that straightforwardly, like portraits). It might be an indication of informal or intimate circumstances, presented either realistically (e.g. on the camp follower and a few other images) or to evoke a particular implication for a narrative scene (as is often done in religious or historical paintings). It might be associated with certain historical/religious/allegorical figures. And it's possible all of these things are true, but at different times -- e.g. fashionable wear for decade or two, then passing into art and thereafter used for certain iconographical scenes or characters long after real people stopped wearing it that way. > There are too > many women in this scene for them *all* to be attendants. What I see > here is the custom of visiting the mother following delivery to > congratulate her on a safe and happy outcome -- some of these ladies > have just arrived, so they're not in a state of undress. In fact, I > would expect them to be wearing their best on a visit of such > ceremonial importance. That is certainly one possible reading, and it's based on your own expectations and assumptions of what would happen in the event being depicted. But before you decide what's going on in the picture, it's helpful to look at other depictions of the same scene. I may be wrong, but I have guessed that this is the Birth of Mary -- not just because of the presence of haloes on certain figures, but because the layout of the picture is very much like that of other paintings from this period of the Birth of Mary by artists elsewhere in Europe. The artists followed certain patterns and conventions. And in Flanders, right about this time, I know of at least one painting that shows a sizable number of women attending Mary's birth, in a very similar layout. And at least some of them are wearing noticeably informal dress. I haven't held the two up next to each other to see differences and similarities -- I frankly don't have time or interest to dig out the other image (which could be anywhere in a long row of books), or a bunch of other Birth-of-Mary images, which is what should be done -- but just from my knowledge of the genre I can tell you the parallel is strong enough that anyone wanting to figure out what's going on in this scene, and what conventions were routinely followed among artists, should be looking at other examples and considering them. It also helps to know that there was a huge traffic of art between Burgundy and Spain in this period, so you see a lot of echoes from one place to the other. > There is another image, IIRC in a museum in France (will provide > reference later), showing Isabella and her ladies in similar gowns > with a sort of loose sleeveless overgown, open down the front. Such > an overgown would suggest that the gown with hoops on the outside is > a fashionable garment and not something that is intended to be hidden. And that's exactly the sort of information-gathering I'd hope anyone would do in the process of determining who (if anyone) wore the fashion, and in what circumstances. A handful of portraits of real women wearing hoop skirts without an overlayer would balance the handful of images we've seen in which the style is potentially being used as artistic code. Slight confusion, though: If there's an overgown in that picture, then this isn't an example of the "hoops worn without an overgown," is it? I don't think anyone -- certainly not me -- has suggested that the hooped skirt was meant to be hidden completely. We've already seen a wide range of examples of the hooped skirt visible as an underskirt; the elusive images are those of it being worn with nothing at all over it. If you thought I was suggesting that the hooped skirt was never meant to show at all, I can see why you thought I was pushing way too far. But I never thought that, said it, or sugggested it. The original poster asked a very specific question: Was the hooped skirt, in life, ever worn on the outside as fashionable wear on its own, rather than being clearly used as an underskirt, partially visible (or completely hidden) beneath an overskirt? She pointed to one image that is often used as proof of "fashionable wear" in this manner that is patently unreliable for several reasons (Salome). And while other people have offered a lot of additional examples of hooped skirt images -- with and without overskirts -- individual examples still don't answer the question of who wore it, in what manner, and when. (Emma, if I misunderstood your original question, please set me straight.) How many images do you need to feel safe drawing a conclusion? It's not a question of number, but proportion. The more examples you have of the style in question, the better you can determine whether the preponderance of them are in potentially nonrealistic contexts, or whether there's as much representation in realistic contexts as you'd see with other styles of this period. Personally, as it stands, I truly can make no guess as to what *was* done, because I haven't done the kind of study I'm suggesting that someone else (who cares about this fashion more than I do) should do. But it will take more than pointing out a few examples in paintings. --Robin not trying to be difficult, just giving a historian's perspective _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 21:47:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5C1lXWD025810 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:47:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5C1lNsC020198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5C1lALH063278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C1l9Wv060424; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C1l5vL060354 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF801D53012C; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:44:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:46:49 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c8cc2e$2e87e900$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8CBF3.82291100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjMGLxFxrt1ejMLStWdk0wMd2F4dgAEvXFg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c562cfed-040e-42c9-bc83-60aaeb191804 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4850802B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:47:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8CBF3.82291100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really easy is a loose gown. More like a sleeveless robe. Worn over a chemise, of course, but that can be a white/cream shirt with the collar cut off so just the collar band is on. Tie on the gorgeous sleeves you've made to the armholes in 3 places, leaving the underarm loose. Later, you can make a matching underskirt. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown Dear All My daughter needs a new Elizabethan gown for our Shakespeare Ball in mid-July. I have made the 'most scrumptious' sleeves but with other commitments don't think I have enough time to make a full court gown at this stage and should think about a doublet. When web browsing last night I looked at doublets and didn't see any that had sleeves, they were mostly sleeveless worn over a linen shirt. I'd hate to leave off these sleeves, so am asking here if anyone has seen highly ornate sleeves worn with doublets anywhere. The sleeves are 3-paned purple velvet with couched gold cord, white trim and gold beads. Also on this topic, she does not like the idea of the doublet done up at the neck, and she cannot wear a ruff as she is a musician on the night playing violin. Do you think it ok to leave open? Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > don't think I have enough time to make a full court gown at this > stage and should think about a doublet. Actually, "Court Gown" doesn't necessarily mean a low necked bodice and skirt, any more than the modern "evening gown" means any specific style. It's a description of the level of richness and ornamentation, not the cut or style of the garment. A court gown could be a low necked bodice and skirt or it could a doublet bodice, probably with a matching skirt for this level of formality till quite late in the century. It could also be a loose gown, which is like a coat that flares from the shoulders, or a fitted gown, which fits closely to the body and may or may not have a waistline seam. I agree with Albert that a doublet would probably be more, not less, work than a simple fitted bodice and skirt. Don't futz around with trimming details if you're short of time: find a beautiful brocade and let it do the work for you. This style is seen in a number of period paintings of female musicians, so it seems particularly appropriate here. As to wearing the collar open, I would say yes, especially for a musician who needs ease of movement. It was good enough for Mary, Queen of Scots, who was painted several times wearing a shirt or smock with a large ruff worn open. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 00:02:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5C42Tol029567 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:02:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5C42Nix032112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:02:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5C427LA070327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C427Zd050073; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5C424Fc050037 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so4975534wfg.23 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.99.21 with SMTP id w21mr281255wfb.55.1213243323594; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.185.3 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:02:03 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <004e01c8cc2e$2e87e900$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <004e01c8cc2e$2e87e900$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9aeb3481-7753-4487-a095-f06a2d33db7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48509FCF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:02:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for this idea, it could be the best thing. She has an older green dress that is too tight that I need to alter some stage, she is in this photo at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/renaissance.jpg with the violin. If I make a lose gown in purple it can be worn over the green when I make it larger for her. Thanks, Aylwen 2008/6/12 Sharon Collier : > Really easy is a loose gown. More like a sleeveless robe. Worn over a > chemise, of course, but that can be a white/cream shirt with the collar cut > off so just the collar band is on. Tie on the gorgeous sleeves you've made > to the armholes in 3 places, leaving the underarm loose. Later, you can make > a matching underskirt. > Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 07:13:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CBDRhq031891 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:13:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CBDIZv006409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:13:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CBCwlD091284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CBCtiI031041; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CBCoHL030928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-253-61.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.253.61] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1K6kbg-00059N-Px for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:34:40 +0930 Message-ID: <001d01c8cc7d$38b8e9c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:42:37 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4391877-808f-4c23-aac9-dfc52b1dc632 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485104CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:13:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > michaela de bruce wrote: >>> There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough] >>> "Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530" by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the >>> author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by >>> garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place >>> to get started if you're interested in this era. >> >> And it's more than just a picture book;) There are samples of texts >> that collaborate what is seen in art. > > It sounds like that's the book to have. Textual analysis adds a world of > meaning. > >> There are examples real people wearing what the saints do in the >> artwork and vice versa- to a degree anyway, there are probably symbols >> in the costume to signify these are important people from the past. I >> have seen hoops on figures depicting real women but they had the four >> panel over skirt on top. > > And that brings us back to the question that started this discussion: > Whether > it was a popular fashion to wear the hoop skirt alone, rather than an > underlayer. > >> More hoops as per the Salome image: >> http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 > > Although this is another Biblical image, it does make me think that > perhaps > the key is not simply real vs. biblical/historical/allegorical, but also > the > nature of the setting and the mood the artist wanted to evoke. This > appears to > be a Birth of Mary image, and the scene takes place in the confines of a > lady's chamber, with only other ladies in attendance. That's a > circumstance > where it might make sense for upper-class women to be without their formal > overgowns. > > It may be that showing these women without overskirts reflects the > artist's > intent to show the intimacy of the scene. If so, the style might be > "real," > but that doesn't mean it would be considered fashionable for women to have > appeared in hoops without overskirts on the street, or at dinner, or at > church. > > Among the handful of other images shown so far of women in hoops without > overskirts was a camp follower (what some would call a "laundress") with > soldiers -- it was hard to make out detail, but perhaps she was > deliberately > portrayed as such to give the overtone of half-dress or intimacy (or lack > of > modesty!) > > I think there's very likely a layer of meaning here that viewers of the > artwork would have understood -- just as people in some not-so-distant > cultures would read loads of meaning in the presence and number of aprons > a > woman wore. Or think about styles for men of a century ago, and the > difference > between depicting one in a full suit, as opposed to with his jacket off > and > shirt-sleeves showing. In any of these contexts, artists could use the > recognized implications of layers of dress to signify something about the > setting or the characters. > > The 15th c. Flemish painters did as much with the recurring presentation > of > women in short-sleeved underdresses, worn without a formal overdress, with > or > without added sleeves to cover the chemise sleeves on the lower half of > the > arms. You never see this in formal portraits, but you do see the style on > realistic working women, AND on upper-class women in private scenes (in > fact, > I can think of one in another Birth of Mary), AND also as visual code to > signify certain Biblical figures (notably Mary Magdalen). > > Does Anderson say anything about the circumstances in which the hoop-alone > style appears in artwork, or does she just refer to it as one option of > wearing the clothing, without discussion of the context in which that > would > have been done? > > --Robin > I couldn't help noticing in the early link with loads of images (http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html) that the Salome with outside hoops is from a Catalan picture, and the Salome with hoops on the underskirt is from Madrid (not Catalan). Further down there's another image of a fairly ordinary looking woman (dating from nearly 100 yrs later mind you) who also looks like she's got her hoops on the outside and is listed as being from Barcelona (ie Catalan). Catalonia has always been a pretty independent part of Spain (it was part of the Kingdom of Aragon at the time of the Salomes). Is it possible that the hoops on the outside are a Catalan fashion? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 08:12:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CCCiIo008279 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:12:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CCCZHT009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CCCI6p094247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CCCHL3075688; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+jdv1aXeeBXt6+IvQlSLV2pynl3EsDQ28@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CCCDuU075641 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5CCBIPB016069 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:11:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 19780 invoked by uid 80); 12 Jun 2008 12:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2008 12:12:12 -0000 Message-ID: <48511298.6010405@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:12:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001d01c8cc7d$38b8e9c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> In-Reply-To: <001d01c8cc7d$38b8e9c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e5f01fe-0b71-4dc1-ba60-aa236011a9bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485112B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:12:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > I couldn't help noticing in the early link with loads of images > (http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html) that the Salome > with outside hoops is from a Catalan picture, and the Salome > with hoops on the underskirt is from Madrid (not Catalan). Further > down there's another image of a fairly ordinary looking woman (dating > from nearly 100 yrs later mind you) who also looks like she's got her > hoops on the outside and is listed as being from Barcelona (ie Catalan). > Catalonia has always been a pretty independent part of Spain (it was part > of the Kingdom of Aragon at the time of the Salomes). Is it possible that > the > hoops on the outside are a Catalan fashion? Regional variation would make a huge lot of sense, if the pattern continues to hold! The Birth of Mary at http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 mentioned earlier also appears to be Catalan, if I'm interpreting the caption correctly (but I don't read the language). Someone who has more time than I do, and who cares about this, might want to comb the rest of the examples at that site. The Catalan medieval paintings appear to be accessible by clicking the keyword link below the picture that reads "Gotico Catalan Pintura." The very first link appears to be more artworks from the Barcelona Museum of Catalan Art, and there's another similar link further down (Museo Nacional de Arte de Cataluna) that might be the same or a different museum. If the Catalan identification holds, the next step would be to look at the spread of images within Catalan art to see whether there is an overskirt/underskirt distinction there too, or whether the preponderance of representations show the hoops as overskirts, which would then imply a regional style. You'd want to verify that the style crosses religious/secular boundaries in art (as opposed to still being associated with iconographic images) and whether it's peculiar to certain class levels and/or circumstances. Another useful step would be to see whether the pattern holds in other media, such as sculpture or tapestry, which would really strengthen the argument. I know, real easy for me to plot out someone else's research project. Obviously we have to deputize someone from this list to go spend a month in Barcelona art collections... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 09:00:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CD0GMT010095 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:00:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CD06wP002441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CCxohT097842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CCxn0m017014; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CCxj7M016961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:59:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@dressing-history.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (port=11135 helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K6mP2-0006IU-0M for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: "Historical Costume" References: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <14dc811793891980bde0550f9befae9c@ntw.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:49:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan front bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 797f1479-d59f-4307-922d-6161ebba451e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48511DD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know of an exact date when fan front bodices were introduced in the 1840s? Thanks, Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 10:56:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CEumu5017226 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:56:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CEubGj009323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:56:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CEuGcd006562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CEuESu030028; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CEuCEA029880 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d5b.24312633 (65099) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:56:00 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9b21c75-2806-4ed7-a670-e26337b1bdb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48513925.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 10:59:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CExJWc017401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:59:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CExBpv017279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:59:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CEwsgV006856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CEwsUj032768; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CEwpbc032622 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bce.2ab9990f (65099) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:58:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 228ea051-3f0a-4ce5-8a27-34057ef2bfc4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485139BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:03:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CF3geE017712 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:03:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CF3XdH013476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:03:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CF2sqP007297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CF2siQ036974; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CF2oIf036821 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c25.3a2f1936 (65099) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:02:39 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eabccc28-0c6e-4a00-8353-e38efc5bb6e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48513AC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CF7AdI017947 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:07:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CF74Zs012336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:07:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CF6lqA007697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CF6lP2040970; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CF6iKA040814 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d39.2da4efb7 (65099) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan front bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 787c7516-0bcc-42dd-b687-cd16452efe11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48513B98.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:21:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CFLJrD018743 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:21:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CFLCd8029978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CFKs9f009147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CFKrpx057500; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CFKp3J057351 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d3c.22fd0d2a (42809) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:20:41 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d8bee83-1cc9-4998-b467-79ae129e208e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48513EE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:26:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CFQfcm018918 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:26:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CFQauG025972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:26:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CFLItI009177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CFLIA8057996; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5CFLFCi057829 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78695 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2008 15:21:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tcWVpuwVM1luzV4sKVSC9QOgP_9HL.DchjHBG6sMcpMfEKIbDMk1Q7bGSLtxQEcq6LvC4gpEmrKMVEnBZGetimkNauF.jj.7t82kEZNIvk.NsXhooDe8LAJwGKc- Received: from [64.252.109.231] by web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:21:09 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <893703.78337.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec624030-dc93-47b1-b62f-2f746d94bef5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4851402C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:26:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I usually just lurk on this list and occasionally ask questions or respond. My question is when making a dress like this one with a close front bodice, where do you put the lacing? I've read if it's english that it goes in the back, but haven't been able to confirm or deny this. Also, if you were doing a spanish one, where would the lacing go? Did they always use lacing in this period or did they also use hookand eye, and if so where did they use it.Lllynn Bonnie Booker wrote: > least one figure in the Herod scene has a close front bodice and if > you haven't already started the bodice that might be a way to go. > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/o/ordonez/d_felipe.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/lazarus2.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/j/juan/1/herodias.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/b/borgona/ladyhare.html > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gallego/catholic.html > Those are examples from 1490-1515 with the closed front and no hoops. > I think the bust portrait you have (also on WGA and by Juan de > Flandres) is of a no hooped sort too. > Thanks for the help. What really caught my eye was the portrait of Juana la Loca. I looked for a bodice in the 1490s that carried out that theme. I have the kirtle underneath. The bodice is cut out and the eyes bought for the laces. I have a lot of embroidery throughout. I have most of my good gowns with closed bodices, lacing in the back, side, front. I wanted something I had nothing of for some special silk a friend brought me back from China. I have had to study completely new cuts and ideas for this. I love the ideas. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:46:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CFkJMJ019964 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CFkEew011667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:46:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CFjcXE011415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CFjbaB084053; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CFjZGM083920 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W4 ([65.54.161.104]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.217.165.132] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:45:29 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2008 15:45:30.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[57D01790:01C8CCA3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d5d0d28-73ca-42db-86c8-0fe7cf409e07 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485144C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Laurie(who is, in fact, the hoi polloi and apes her betters almost constantly) > From: AlbertCat@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts> > > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 > > > > Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on > her skirt, but no hoops?> > > _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 12:58:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CGwOi2023926 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CGwG6d007318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CGvmKn017807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CGvkw1069357; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CGvhgi069203 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c93.2ae16377 (65099) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:57:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba7c8f73-b4f1-4fef-8f0b-ab02e469b57a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485155A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 14:49:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5CIn8MY030025 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5CIn34q006029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:49:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5CImfCE028068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CImdrP001416; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys19.mail.msu.edu (sys19.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.119]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5CImaNs001345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys19.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.63 #1) id 1K6rqe-0000E8-1U for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:48:36 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:48:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21807365-dc88-4ca9-a784-56c1ebf30cc4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48516F9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on > her skirt, but no hoops? You know, when this discussion started, I looked at the pictures and thought to myself, "What if that isn't hoops on the outside but a tiered skirt with banding at the hem of each tier?" In that case, might not a servant be wearing a fashion similar to the upper class folks, but without the added luxury of the hoops? Perhaps a castoff dress from her mistress? -Helena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 20:41:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D0f8UN015250 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:41:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D0f2QY011035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D0e8Er053424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D0e3AB045695; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D0e0QY045667 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so7578ugc.17 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.13 with SMTP id i13mr48357ugm.75.1213317599651; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806121739u7d67c256p214603059535174d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:39:59 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <893703.78337.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <893703.78337.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a98f1e6-466e-48a6-892a-cd35ba1dcfea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4851C21E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I usually just lurk on this list and occasionally ask questions or respond. My question is when making a dress like this one with a close front bodice, where do you put the lacing? I've read if it's english that it goes in the back, but haven't been able to confirm or deny this. Also, if you were doing a spanish one, where would the lacing go? Did they always use lacing in this period or did they also use hookand eye, and if so where did they use it.Lllynn Side or side back would be my bet. You see either in Italian and Flemish art of a time just before and after and much later in the 16thC Alcega has a pattern for a kirtle with bodice that has the closure side back (the front and back bodice pieces are on the fold, same with front and back of the skirt). http://www.alfayomega.es/estatico/anteriores/alfayomega336/enportada/ep_reportaje2.html This is the image I mentioned earlier that shows hoops worn by real people but that has the open gown. What is interesting about this image is that it shows a high waist. There is a legend that the hoops came about to hide a pregnancy. Doesn't this high waist with hoops support this idea rather more than a regular waisted garment? No idea if it is true or not but I could believe the rumour started after seeing this particular style! Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 21:24:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D1OBkG016999 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:24:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D1O6f4029045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:24:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D1NhNg055904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D1NhKh074370; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D1NdBN074328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D1NaJT032074 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:23:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: h-costume Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:23:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7456/Thu Jun 12 15:07:05 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02a98634-2a42-46a0-8c81-05f7401cb029 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4851CC36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:24:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There've been a number of intriguing comments on this thread. To go back to the beginning, Emma asked about this picture, which she found in a discussion concerning the development of the farthingale: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Retable.jpg and her question was, "Salome was supposed to have danced naked before she asked for the head of John the Baptist. Is it possible that the artist depicted Salome in her underwear to hint at this nakedness, and that hoops were never actually worn on the outside? (if that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her?) Are there any other depictions, anywhere, of hoops on the outside?" I suggest that we break up the question into 2 parts: (1) WHO was Salome? In the 21st century, what does "everybody know" about her? In the 15th century, what did "everybody know" about her? (2) WHAT is she wearing in this depiction? Is this style ever seen any where else? Does it have an iconographic meaning? To start with question #1, I'd like to re-iterate the point that several people made, which is that the Bible story never says that Salome took her clothes off. It just says that the king was pleased with the girl's dance, offered to give her anything she asked for, and she ran to her mama to ask what she should say. (Since her mama hated John the Baptist, she took advantage of the situation to have the guy put to death.) That doesn't sound much like a femme fatale. We don't even know how old she was! In fact, the earliest depictions of Salome as lascivious dancer that I was able to find in a quick search of my university library catalog date to the late 19th century in France. It appears that the story of Salome appealed to a number of arty types and they all had their own re-telling of the story -- Flaubert, Mallarme, Wilde [his play, Salome, was originally written in French], etc. -- which involved some sex and obsessive behavior, and then Richard Strauss was inspired to write an opera based on Wilde's version, and finally there was a turn-of-the-20th-century entertainer in London (Maud Allan) who made her name doing a scandalous version of Salome's "dance of the 7 veils" which was probably inspired by the then- current literary and operatic versions. I haven't investigated the Hollywood history of Salome but I'll bet it was equally fantasy-based. So, what did people in the 15th century "know" about Salome? They may have known that Salome was the stepdaughter of the king; they probably knew that John the Baptist had been preaching against the morals of the court and the queen was infuriated by his comments. Without the creative license of Strauss, et al., would they have imagined Salome as a woman of questionable virtue? I don't know. The only medieval versions I've seen of this scene are set at the king's banquet. If the viewer didn't "know" that Salome was doing a strip-tease then the viewer would see a girl of the noble family appearing at court, IMO. Other viewpoints welcome, of course. We can all learn from each other. :-) Going on to question #2, since the painting in question shows everyone fully dressed, right down to their hair and jewellery, I don't see any reason to re-interpret this as an informal scene. And for reasons that I stated yesterday, I don't believe that the other [non-Salome] depictions shared by list-members need to be interpreted as informal scenes. The image that provoked this discussion even seems to be embellished with 3-dimensional gold chains on the principal characters, which makes me think it is very formal indeed. If you look at the images in the link that otsisto sent http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu you'll see many that appear in Anderson's book on Hispanic Costume. That work is generally considered to be a standard in the field and I don't remember Anderson suggesting that the verdugada is an undergarment. But I'd be happy to have input from folks who've studied this period! It seems to me that this is a short-lived fashion that is worthy of further study. Most of the evidence dates from 1470-1495 -- and we're still fascinated by it centuries later! Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 21:48:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D1mGw7017982 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D1mBrW002118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D1lfjR057382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D1leiV089955; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D1lcli089924 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0143E9F05B5 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:50:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806122150.10555.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d91e923-2823-4357-91ae-fa6d935a259d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4851D1DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 12 June 2008 9:23:35 pm Suzanne wrote: [snipping most] > If you look at the images in the link that otsisto sent > > http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu > > you'll see many that appear in Anderson's book on Hispanic Costume. > That work is generally considered to be a standard in the field and I > don't remember Anderson suggesting that the verdugada is an > undergarment. But I'd be happy to have input from folks who've > studied this period! It seems to me that this is a short-lived > fashion that is worthy of further study. Most of the evidence dates > from 1470-1495 -- and we're still fascinated by it centuries later! What impresses me about the images in the Villani article (the link otsisto sent) is how many of them show a bodice in the same color/pattern as the fabric of the obviously hooped skirt being worn with them. That may be one of the better arguments in favor of the idea that skirts were, however briefly, worn with the hoops showing on the outside as a fashion statement. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 00:38:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D4cCtJ027648 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:38:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D4c6qp001079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:38:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D4ZmGF067637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D4Zk18003435; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D4ZhVQ003407 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so1020447anc.85 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr3406886ang.1.1213331743399; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:35:43 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Beyond the Veil? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72eb21c2-5394-4dbc-9b07-11afee0d0f43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4851F9AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am fishing for some info, and thought, ah-ha! H-Cos can help! My friend MaggiRos specifically suggested Robin Netherton, but I know there are some other experts out there. So, folks, here I go. I am preparing a class for the Costumers' Guild West's Costume College 2008 on Irish Headdresses. My focus period is the 16th century, the point at which Irish culture is crumbling and giving way to English-ness. The head coverings of Irish women are very old-fashioned, and include veils and wimples. Not to mention those silly hats! I know a little about veils and almost nothing about wimples. So, the question is, does anyone know any good sources for the shapes of veils and wimples being worn in the mid-to-late 15th C. and how they work? Thanks (and credit will be given for assistance), Regina in L.A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 00:45:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D4jTUj027924 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:45:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D4jOCt027050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:45:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D4j8Xq068268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D4j80C009419; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/CGfEnDCoYPuT3gC/+I8urMdBXt4jdUSk@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D4j5tA009374 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1j.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.188]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5D4i8xh027293 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:44:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 31516 invoked by uid 80); 13 Jun 2008 04:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by 209.237.134.184 with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2008 04:45:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4851FB4E.5050302@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:45:02 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beyond the Veil? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 401f6a21-8d9f-4c2f-80ce-367abd309617 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4851FB64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Regina Voorhes wrote: > I am fishing for some info, and thought, ah-ha! H-Cos can help! My friend > MaggiRos specifically suggested Robin Netherton, but I know there are some > other experts out there. ... I certainly hope so, because I'm afraid I know absolutely nothing about Irish veils and wimples in the 15th and 16th centuries! Surely there's someone else on the list who does, though. You might also contact Kass McGann at Reconstructing History, as she does Early Modern Irish. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 01:59:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5D5xWak031602 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:59:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5D5xQfA000854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5D5x6RU071388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D5x4Kx055462; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+VWfT0ooHM2DtXkZxDNctlfw0lrzwDBz4@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5D5x0ak055428 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.189]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5D5vuAB000956 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:57:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 2940 invoked by uid 80); 13 Jun 2008 05:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.31.10) by wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2008 05:58:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48520CA2.6010402@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:58:58 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ada0275-e9f3-44e7-a609-b3a393321123 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48520CBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:59:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Back to Salome again, but only briefly, as I am loaded with work and will not be able to pursue this thread further (I spent way too much time online this week). Suzanne wrote (among many other things in a very thoughtful and helpful post): > I suggest that we break up the question into 2 parts: > (1) WHO was Salome? In the 21st century, what does "everybody know" > about her? In the 15th century, what did "everybody know" about her? > (2) WHAT is she wearing in this depiction? Is this style ever seen > any where else? Does it have an iconographic meaning? That last question is probably even more important than the first one. What people knew about a religious character or story in the 15th century is the starting point; the key element for our purposes (interpreting an image) is how that knowledge became translated -- and cemented -- in artwork. And iconographic conventions don't always match historical, religious, or theological understanding. Sometimes they are holdovers from earlier eras. Sometimes they are the result of confusion. (Consider the images of Catherine of Alexandria that show her with a wedding ring in the "Mystic Marriage." Whoops -- that's Catherine of Siena's story. Oh well.) So, before I would feel comfortable stating what is going on in a picture like this one, I'd want to be reasonably familiar with how artists of that place and time handled that particular scene, so I could determine what elements of the scene were routinely repeated, and how this artist followed that convention, and where he chose to depart from it. I'm afraid I don't know Salome images from 15th c. Spain. And I have not made a significant study of Salome depictions overall (as I have with some other figures). However, I do know enough Salome representations from elsewhere and elsewhen in Europe to hazard some guesses on *possibilities* that may be at play in the mind of a 15th c. artist. Salome might be considered, and represented, as: -- a historical figure -- a religious figure -- a foreigner -- an evildoer (I know, she was just doing what her mother said, but she's still seen as an evildoer because she was instrumental in John the Baptist's death) -- a dancer -- a princess. Thus a medieval artist might draw on any of these themes in dressing Salome; the choice would depend in large part on what was customary for presentations of that scene in his place and time. More than one of these devices might be present at once. I have seen a c. 1300 English illumination that depicts Salome as a "dancer" in one panel (and this is where "informal" dress comes into play, as she was wearing only an undergown in that scene) and as a "princess" in the adjacent panel, on the same page. In early 15th c. France, the Limbourg brothers gave her an odd little tiara (which might have meant "foreigner" or might have meant "princess"; it's hard to tell), and dressed her in a currently fashionable gown but added stripes of a type that, elsewhere in the book, appear on Biblical/historical/exotic figures -- and, interestingly, on a couple of dancing girls. (The history of stripes as a real-life marker for prostitutes may be relevant here as well.) Yet I have seen many, many people look at this Salome image and assume that because the gown is of the fashionable style, the stripes must be evidence of contemporary fashionable decoration. No -- they are some sort of marker for her character. It would be quite extraordinary for Salome to be unmarked in 15th c. Spanish art; there is certainly something, maybe many things, about her dress in this scene that are there specifically to differentiate her from the contemporary fashionable woman. But without knowing what is considered normal, and what shows up in other religious art, and particularly what shows up in other Salome scenes, I can only guess at which elements are the ones you cannot trust. The hoop skirt might be one such element. Or it might not -- it might be currently fashionable dress in the Catalan style. The point is, this picture will never tell us, because Salome's depiction is deviant by definition. By the time you know enough (from a study of other artwork) to know how to interpret it, you'll have better evidence from elsewhere. Other artwork could eventually show us how to interpret Salome's dress, but Salome's dress can't tell us much in itself. This post is already longer than I intended, so I'll add just one small clarification. Suzanne wrote: > Going on to question #2, since the painting in question shows > everyone fully dressed, right down to their hair and jewellery, I > don't see any reason to re-interpret this as an informal scene. And > for reasons that I stated yesterday, I don't believe that the other > [non-Salome] depictions shared by list-members need to be interpreted > as informal scenes. It seems I was not clear in what I meant by "informal." I was not referring to the *scenes* as informal situations. I was referring to a manner of wearing dress (in this case, an undergown without the overgown that would be added for full formal dress). Artists have been known to use this device to make a point. The painting I was talking about was the Birth of Mary, a scene in which (in some Flemish examples of this period that may overlap with Spanish artistic convention) the absence of the formal overgown in a gathering of women attending a childbirth helps signal the intimacy and privacy of a scene. The Flemish painters, and others, also used that same "informal" dress in many other contexts. Realistically, it can indicate a working woman, or a prostitute, or a person in great distress. Less realistically, it became the "uniform" for Mary Magdalen among some Flemish painters, probably for a variety of reasons, some related to the circumstances just noted. I agree that the Salome *scene* is not informal, and don't think I said it was. However, I have seen Salome depicted elsewhere in what is recognizably not-formal dress, specifically when presented in the role of dancer. As I explained several posts ago (at least I think I tried to), it is not impossible that this form of dress may have been become part of the "Salome" identification, copied and elaborated on from one image to the next, and over time became used by some artists to represent "Salome" regardless of what scene she appeared in. You see the same thing happen with many other characters -- i.e. elements of costume are used to identify certain people even if (in real life) that person would not have been wearing that style in that particular situation. (An obvious example is the depiction of a king or queen in bed, naked or in a shift, but still wearing a crown.) Is this what happened -- as Emma first wondered -- with Salome in what was supposed to be seen as an undergown? I have no idea! But I think it's a possibility worth considering and investigating, even if it turns out wrong. I have raised a lot of those possibilities. They certainly can't all be right. They might all be wrong. I'm not arguing for any of them. I am, however, trying to make the point that when you look at dress in religious or historical paintings, there's a lot going on that can't be explained by the logic of the situation being depicted. About the one thing I *can* state with certainty (and really the only point I've been hoping to make in this whole thread) is that I don't think it's wise to use a handful of examples, most of which have religious or iconographical contexts, as evidence for fashionable wear. Before you can figure out whether those examples are reliable representations, you need a lot more study of *other* artwork (and literary and historical evidence about dress if available) ... which, in this case, I am not going to do. But perhaps someone else reading this who is interested can use the suggestions I posted as a source of ideas for what to look at in chasing this down. (And I do think that the Catalan angle would be well worth investigating.) --Robin never one to make things simpler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 12:08:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5DG8KiF020601 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5DG8A9F029576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5DG7PWT012452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5DG7IeJ022415; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5DG7Gfk022400 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4506926rvb.11 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.201.8 with SMTP id y8mr1997451rvf.28.1213373236378; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:07:16 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <893703.78337.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <893703.78337.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8c01b8e-0fe8-44d8-a003-123ddb986718 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48529B6A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:08:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Lynn Roth wrote: > I usually just lurk on this list and occasionally ask questions or respond. My question is when making a dress like this one with a close front bodice, where do you put the lacing? I've read if it's english that it goes in the back, but haven't been able to confirm or deny this. Also, if you were doing a spanish one, where would the lacing go? Did they always use lacing in this period or did they also use hookand eye, and if so where did they use it.Lllynn > Juan de Alcega was printed in a later period, however the styles seemed not to move much in Spain after the beginning of the 15th c. There were many different styles, they were the leaders at the time. The Hispanic Costume Book shows where they fasten up with an open front, closed laced front, back and side closures. I can't see what kind of closures. Yes, many of them with the over "robe" and high waist look like they could be pregnant, even the children. What a good coverup. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 20:14:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5E0EcUI010660 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:14:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E0EXkv022891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:14:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5E0ECQb059251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E0DpOh000504; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E0Dlir000441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E0Dkdk030519 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:13:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <6A133E88-3591-4600-824E-EB74BF42CB3D@cybermesa.com> To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:13:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7470/Fri Jun 13 15:39:31 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 824b0a73-ca24-46c0-81d6-4b58d66a9d52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48530D69.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Rosenthal & Ann Rosalind Jones (Thames & Hudson, 2008) ISBN 978-0500514269. *Only* $91.25! ;-) Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 21:28:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5E1S7X5012835 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:28:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E1S2Kc021894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5E1Rf0T062919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E1Rb7r042364; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5E1RX0A042275 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 54483 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2008 01:27:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Xsu46eisRhrqapMlKS/5tm2hILNELrJUtnop7sEVr9QS59MMG4pGfEnIxxpzVYbNFrpCjR3cV9nZscGlgZ2Wb/CQVWsmfWlzAbp+ScKFXK4z0VN6vLeemPHu2HQq+za53H+9Y74fLfGMDr7QtFJqPIjZcueYJY38GBMXedg5U44=; Received: from [121.45.158.187] by web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:27:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <333164.50008.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6e733d9-1245-43ef-befd-b4b98066ff01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48531EA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:28:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: Suzanne Subject: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" FYI, Amazon.com is taking pre-orders for the new book about=A0 = Vecellio's costume book, "The clothing of the Renaissance world:=A0 = Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas; Cesare Vecellio's Habiti Antichi=A0 = et Moderni" by Margaret F. Rosenthal & Ann Rosalind Jones (Thames &=A0 = Hudson, 2008) ISBN 978-0500514269.=A0 *Only* $91.25!=A0 ;-) Suzanne<<<<< Whoa! Thank goodness I pre-ordered it a while back when it was listed at $7= 8.75! =A0 =A0 Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net = Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 21:36:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5E1aHSs013061 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E1aBuZ013023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:36:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5E1Zsle063410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E1ZsDL047150; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5E1Zpq4047068 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39479 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2008 01:35:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kPKOnWJpBfW3ynXC971Aj8t8libdFUw4h6EFobNe4dpkbSu/mP4B8F1Nc5vL/SXfastTahmDSYDotKdr9/B9tzeAX2rZZ76p6UELnIjs6EAL9m7fBYqj3pyc0NySM/ss8m8GYJKEKljVFcL1rzut9lm+sqMNbUNJNH3Kc9qab44=; Received: from [69.182.189.15] by web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:35:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <911188.38238.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b30c177e-6b25-42f5-bd66-629247001035 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4853208C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:36:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was interpreting her as wearing trousers, actually, though the size of the webbed picture makes any firm conclusions on her outfit premature. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 6/12/08, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 > > > ********************** > > > Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with > the horizontal lines on her skirt, but no hoops? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 04:17:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5E8HR8m026766 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:17:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E8HMuU025089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5E8H43G084031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E8H1W6087138; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5E8GxqZ087090 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:17:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66923 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2008 08:16:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gPUyo/QkL5blBSZ3IfMvwETE4Ks/IUsSmEz0p0re0stEWbwudgkqHQVm05yNxPgeeztqr+REGkiJdXnkWrti3Bn2hkWUZCSOb6LNgm0/jXFpTE+soJrIoH0qwCHd7+TI8NjbXv2VhKsWiEtVi8ZyEpbZjNonmeaGaAc4jbRyN1c=; X-YMail-OSG: Xwqj4HcVM1kynw1dBlZ6qpgA_xf6yTtDbhwnVCx2eVDJhI7WR8YDRioOMXRSC9Gfrg-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:16:53 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8725bb34-1d1e-41ad-9f18-ab193cdbc6d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48537E92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for any tips, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 05:11:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5E9BaTm002786 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:11:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5E9BUSa026221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5E9BAkg087127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E9B9kt016009; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5E9B6iN015930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1828 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K7Rmm-0004nK-Oa for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614100342.0394d268@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:10:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 635acdfb-9887-447d-970e-79cd6d3f6704 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48538B42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I just want to see the books to >make myself a list what to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD > >Is there any large public library or a library where most of the >costume books are to be found? > >Thanks for any tips, > >Zuzana Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find second hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells costume books for certain is R.D. Franks, (http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a specialist fashion trade book shop, so there is a lot of modern tailoring/fashion student orientated content. (I was disappointed when I went last.) As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each area of London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be lucky. Sorry not to be more helpful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 07:27:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EBRFKM027240 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:27:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EBRATu011187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:27:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EBQjh2094629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EBQg3u091783; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EBQdcb091734 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080614112637.XULZ23631.fep50.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:26:37 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.181]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080614112637.MQPJ1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:26:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080614100342.0394d268@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:26:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.181] at Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:26:36 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69103d81-7fce-4c7d-85b4-c14292c02421 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4853AB0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:27:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What about Waterstones? I got a lot there last time i were in London. As i recall it its in a street next to Oxford Street? I got both costume related and embroidery related books there, and i thoaght they had a nice collection. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library > At 09:16 14/06/2008, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to some >>library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read about at >>amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot of things, >>maybe some books that are hard to get or some second hand costume books >>(any good shops?). I just want to see the books to make myself a list what >>to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD >> >>Is there any large public library or a library where most of the costume >>books are to be found? >> >>Thanks for any tips, >> >>Zuzana > > Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find second > hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells costume books > for certain is R.D. Franks, (http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a > specialist fashion trade book shop, so there is a lot of modern > tailoring/fashion student orientated content. (I was disappointed when I > went last.) > > As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each area of > London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be lucky. > > Sorry not to be more helpful. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 08:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EC1niO030753 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EC1hRO013201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EC0Yu8096217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EC0Yr1013023; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EC0VeT012916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2021 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K7UQk-0004g7-4d for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:00:26 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614125927.03938058@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:00:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080614100342.0394d268@suziclarke.co.uk> <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8580d403-03b7-4745-aa34-d9392eea3dd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4853B327.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 12:26 14/06/2008, you wrote: >What about Waterstones? I got a lot there last time i were in >London. As i recall it its in a street next to Oxford Street? >I got both costume related and embroidery related books there, and i >thoaght they had a nice collection. That always depends on the stocking policy of the manager - sometimes you get lucky - I haven't!! Suzi >Bjarne >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:10 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library > > >>At 09:16 14/06/2008, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to >>>some library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read >>>about at amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a >>>lot of things, maybe some books that are hard to get or some >>>second hand costume books (any good shops?). I just want to see >>>the books to make myself a list what to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD >>> >>>Is there any large public library or a library where most of the >>>costume books are to be found? >>> >>>Thanks for any tips, >>> >>>Zuzana >> >>Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find >>second hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells >>costume books for certain is R.D. Franks, >>(http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a specialist fashion >>trade book shop, so there is a lot of modern tailoring/fashion >>student orientated content. (I was disappointed when I went last.) >> >>As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each >>area of London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be lucky. >> >>Sorry not to be more helpful. >> >>Suzi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 08:12:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ECC723031304 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:12:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ECC2N1017615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ECBnxC096763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ECBnLf021457; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5ECBjXg021341 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18996 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2008 12:11:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Oc6hnHL193SLVEl/sfd94kZ3IZvGPq8DKPEizSH2hznXHyM0hG/THNxkL7nsNeE2Gu5NpOZTotpJ8JZsQnY9nf83TRpfjs/XqFFIhC8R/ssv1mbZH+Yt61FtCEbtFaO5LubEKRZIsYHN6n9WehtvDf82ORu30gdbO64VIOknMy0=; X-YMail-OSG: ovbsPnMVM1nyY7mdcExNC4vySd_mMgutsGUFQCNZ4Bgmo6frrcjdCmKpng4cvO1cNyFOKu.IlaC77rfcNJEHZiYk0ibFxxo6DQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:11:39 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3839ec6-6e95-4a22-a036-c0ea6c721c3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4853B592.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:12:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, last time I was in London I had just one day - Saturday, and the R.D.Franks bookshop was not open and then I was probably late to get to the largest London bookshop on Piccadilly:-( All other bookshops I visited (Charing Cross rd etc.) had only a small collection of costume books. The best place to buy such books was the V&A museum shop. But I thought there must be another place with many costume books? There should be at least one larger library, or art-oriented library... We have one central library in Prague where you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one in London, too? Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 08:33:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ECXodA032714 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:33:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ECXihk012528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ECXLOa098232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ECXJDH038197; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ECXFpA038075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2129 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K7UwQ-0003FC-CG for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:33:10 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614133114.03965980@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:32:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6991b03e-4a87-4584-a13e-531075d6b9de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4853BAA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 13:11 14/06/2008, you wrote: >Well, last time I was in London I had just one day - Saturday, and >the R.D.Franks bookshop was not open and then I was probably late to >get to the largest London bookshop on Piccadilly:-( All other >bookshops I visited (Charing Cross rd etc.) had only a small >collection of costume books. The best place to buy such books was >the V&A museum shop. But I thought there must be another place with >many costume books? There should be at least one larger library, or >art-oriented library... We have one central library in Prague where >you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one >in London, too? > >Zuzana Not that I know of, and I have lived in London since 1971. And I'm told that my personal library is better than most of the colleges' libraries - and they teach costume! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 09:52:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EDqr0A004322 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:52:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EDqjOf007332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:52:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EDplrv003846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EDpkSd004849; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5EDpgbX004688 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27581 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2008 13:51:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ibwrfcLrYQyBO3bdQ4kTTppSLS3UU0HC/x/p/XTUX6cc9DQQw6wK21f0X581q1pmiQXnZH+1n0K0wMfeJ4tubABkU71E+2FsioPWi6t3kkPSMHdsOBrKsv+cCVZkLfnVWvJkmpgVntqUnLlNVC08RqGZIAVvXJKZDCOppJ/j4IQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 4vzd_6QVM1laN4HkbvRA4M0gz6azG12ct08klt6VeS_8m06GCkjwImLGHBukVRJiERWsRgXA09LFmK.DmAA248avMvl4svhMXoGg7Illo56MtiYAfgekEKEw22o- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:51:37 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614133114.03965980@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540712.15159.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adfe3998-67c4-43e4-b66b-0559da20b6d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4853CD2D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They say it's situated in the V&A museum...I hope they would let me in:-) Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 10:43:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EEhYAu006833 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:43:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EEhPNq032187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:43:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EEh3a5008959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EEh2ir054897; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EEgwEi054825 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080614144257.TPQW8173.fep53.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:42:57 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.14]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080614144257.QCVH28187.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:42:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c8ce2c$ed5606a0$0ee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:42:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.14] at Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:42:56 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfaacb3f-49b2-49c2-b96c-1098b317bdd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4853D90D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:43:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you have the time, you could take the train down to Bath. The museum of Costume, Bath has a large museum shop, packed with all kinds of costume related books. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] London public library > Hi, > > I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to some > library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read about at > amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot of things, > maybe some books that are hard to get or some second hand costume books > (any good shops?). I just want to see the books to make myself a list what > to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD > > Is there any large public library or a library where most of the costume > books are to be found? > > Thanks for any tips, > > Zuzana > > > > > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 11:10:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EFAdo4008078 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:10:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EFAYSr004156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EFABnl011440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EFA9bQ080745; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EFA6kH080623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:2699 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K7XOD-00027T-3T for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:10:01 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614160728.0395ce88@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:09:52 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <540712.15159.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614133114.03965980@suziclarke.co.uk> <540712.15159.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9be0d6e0-66f3-4db7-adc7-563e4171a247 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4853DF6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:51 14/06/2008, you wrote: >Ha! I found the V&A museum has a library or what - The national Art library? >I'm searching the catalogue and it seems they have most books I'd >like to look at. >They say it's situated in the V&A museum...I hope they would let me in:-) > >Zuzana It used to be such a pain getting a reader's ticket that I forgot about it. Haven't used it for 25 years, so I hope it has changed for the better. You used to have to wait such ages to get the books you wanted too, I never thought of checking out books I wanted to buy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 14:42:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EIguO8019375 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EIgn4h020522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EIgVVZ025187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EIgS9Y051702; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EIfwjW051348 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:42:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 40so6482537hub.16 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kUA1Gq7GKw0GX/qZvwcuU0cf7Em2nf1KDJz5Iq+Lkog=; b=tiQMAxN6FOLsGkU1Dw1uV/kQA1j4St3eJ3Bf5/itSxUpgLAGHyD/YkeJVcdVcvd9Y5 JkIUMkjsCigKzmxdqyWSiR0WdXxm/Rap8cX8wK4YKMp1g+5ryTRcuAvSBCiXuTnPYprw /WSdVdZ/swxwjD2z3VU4ppRitbzTvVGIgUStc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JPZ5FCXrUa9q+cl1i8zNVwAfP/sHiwPEfPnhB8DmqK9FqBD3gO50VeDf3CXuqCz3SP ZLRgpK0ClfkVqHOcofsQoDsFXYthPutE/+GnqesgFrP+JaLgynMVU6HMN3ZqW+BFiOJH bJG4VbX1FaJ6mJfIZSCtBDPNfQAKA3jyKvmuY= Received: by 10.78.168.6 with SMTP id q6mr1842055hue.64.1213468915556; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ( [90.207.187.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v31sm2811540hub.54.2008.06.14.11.41.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <485410EB.9000709@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:41:47 +0100 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 404204af-50a8-47d3-adcd-7d4181dcdc35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48541129.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:42:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi - Jean here, I've changed my email address again! The British Library, in their new building at St Pancras, is the National Deposit Library, which gets a copy of every book published in Britain. But you can't really just turn up and look at stuff, you have to prove you have a serious reason for research and apply for a reader pass... a lot of hassle! http://www.bl.uk/services/reading/reading.html Jean Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Well, last time I was in London I had just one day - Saturday, and the R.D.Franks bookshop was not open and then I was probably late to get to the largest London bookshop on Piccadilly:-( All other bookshops I visited (Charing Cross rd etc.) had only a small collection of costume books. The best place to buy such books was the V&A museum shop. But I thought there must be another place with many costume books? There should be at least one larger library, or art-oriented library... We have one central library in Prague where you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one in London, too? > > Zuzana > > > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 16:09:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EK90MV022685 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:09:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EK8st0028871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EK8Wjd030558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EK8VAm015503; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EK8RIe015442 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4A0A400314; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:05:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <911188.38238.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c8ce5a$62187e50$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjNvrCTnnIXlIY8Tyq9LaPrs1JF7QAmsKRA In-Reply-To: <911188.38238.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d87c8b9-2b5d-44c1-8ea9-8a8f256e0cb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48542556.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It could have been that the hoop stiffener was not rigid, like whalebone, but rope or cord, which is what early hoops were made of. They would fold like that when sitting. Somewhere on a site I just recently saw (which I do not remember) is a picture of a woman wearing rope hoops that fold just like the one shown in the painting. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts I was interpreting her as wearing trousers, actually, though the size of the webbed picture makes any firm conclusions on her outfit premature. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 6/12/08, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 > > > ********************** > > > Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal > lines on her skirt, but no hoops? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1501 - Release Date: 6/13/2008 6:33 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 16:19:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EKJmSh023162 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:19:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EKJhSF006882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EKJSoK031156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EKJSsr023860; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EKJRAn023841 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1022947ana.65 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yzayVP5BCGfhNqHXKDLgba3miJirhByTSpWyVstD4AY=; b=jFnoyfEH2TNBE7LA3iIpOxb3KiEhwpsIjnDt71e7CQBx31UBe+9Gw8enffLqZL+aod qUhrM4FHVSqxPS4dZ7g+N880rdH4UE3lSD8g9HiWRiN/SigmOyncslRlRdXaymrDQRL6 H42A678ZI+83lleLnjvLyfA4HpJX4QYUCMl1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jfWu8IZLW+sLi8ojjrHHlwioM04cSUFF+RSCu3FtslnVpyGejxU2z/ihN360wNoH05 s8c2UaEiSsrClOVHjjsS18Er24ybQ7PypOeHd5UomPbe1kJCn9jcAfn+RAmd2/iRiM1A nxkQu9ieHbcHVm5iBq/kMp1PXszyJ7Fj6+az0= Received: by 10.100.58.19 with SMTP id g19mr3320555ana.41.1213474766600; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:19:26 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 235 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 548a316b-85d7-4850-b64c-5afa6035bcd2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 485427DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, I am searching for info on veils and wimples for any country in Europe, in the period. I think the Irish just kept wearing the same thing on their heads with appropriately silly additions, after everyone else moved on to hats. It's the basics of veils and wimples I need, if anyone can point me at resources. Thanks, Regina in L.A. > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:45:02 -0500 > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beyond the Veil? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <4851FB4E.5050302@netherton.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Regina Voorhes wrote: > > I am fishing for some info, and thought, ah-ha! H-Cos can help! My > friend > > MaggiRos specifically suggested Robin Netherton, but I know there are > some > > other experts out there. ... > > I certainly hope so, because I'm afraid I know absolutely nothing about > Irish > veils and wimples in the 15th and 16th centuries! > > Surely there's someone else on the list who does, though. You might also > contact Kass McGann at Reconstructing History, as she does Early Modern > Irish. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 17:04:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5EL4uQr025355 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:04:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5EL4jBq002464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5EL4Dgf033410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EL4Dtq052937; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5EL4BkF052846 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m5EL44ur006254 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:04:05 GMT Message-ID: <001201c8ce62$2e805ba0$58f1c446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 163de724-d255-4694-ada5-d8c54641dd7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4854326D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:04:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can search some British libraries online before you go to see what they have in there collections. Here are a couple of links: British library (some branches in London) http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/?func=file&file_name=login-bl-list V&A National Art Library http://catalogue.nal.vam.ac.uk/ Museum of London http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/English/Collections/OnlineResources/ and http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/English/Collections/1700Today/Dress-fashion.htm I'm not sure if these can be searched, but they do have a large online bookstore. Costume Museum at Bath www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/ or http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/ Neither of these are working just now for me to get the search link, but I *think* you can search the collection, and I'm sure they have an online bookstore. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 22:53:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5F2rZWA011631 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:53:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5F2rUAr025608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5F2r1x4049828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5F2qwhK058832; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5F2qs5S058788 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E057255138 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:52:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] What to do. 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 23:42:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5F3ghve014134 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:42:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5F3gc0H001775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5F3gMEZ051960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5F3gM4k083452; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5F3gGrs083391 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610059F0633 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:44:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806142344.54357.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:42:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 14 June 2008 10:52:57 pm otsisto wrote: > I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it > other than a partlet? A fairly short veil. Or, perhaps, a coif of some kind. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 01:49:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5F5n8UC020323 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:49:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5F5n3Mu010700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5F5mdCc056624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5F5mbLY045090; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5F5mYcA045023 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8664 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2008 05:48:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=usCPx3d1nKWOiBZ23g8V1Ve/i7GG6zrPtgEEFsoZMX+vCz5KQal+FGLvRe/dCDRW7Jbor5B38Izh3P7GCadi8zdDXdkZBGON132NKm82Ly19jNVrJnIzwobW891uuDQqkm46mKWpVPSwHz7t8UYuvtbGSWXyI4hDMCgTZgJ4tLQ=; Received: from [69.230.26.181] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:48:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <550370.8519.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would use the silk gauze as a covering layer for embroidered sleeves. I don't know if that would be enough, tho'. Not sure about the netting at all... Kimiko --- On Sat, 6/14/08, otsisto wrote: > From: otsisto > I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item > can I make of it > other than a partlet? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 07:16:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FBGFwM014968 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:16:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FBG9Qu008207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:16:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FBFcVT069591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FBFY6I039473; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FBFWJW039450 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA05B550E8 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:15:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:15:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cb2a74c-a7eb-4e22-aa7b-c030b915e365 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4854F9F9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:16:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The white silk is light weight and though it is said to be a gauze it is not very see through. Too flimsy for a coif and not see through enough to have embroidery show through. The netting on the other hand is somewhat see through. This is the silk gauze. it is lightweight and I thought it was going to be sheer and it aint. http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=QQ574 This shows the netting silk but in red http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=AA034 -----Original Message----- I have 1yd x 45" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it other than a partlet? I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a partlet to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk netting? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 08:22:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FCMdTj017415 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FCMYXu000543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FCMFIX073176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FCMDpY083705; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FCM9kD083658 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080615122209.WWGG14896.fep51.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:22:09 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.219]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080615122208.NFUL1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8cee2$6d61dd00$db14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:22:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.219] at Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:22:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] silk zibeline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34522ade-1a48-42cd-a390-bed1244156f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4855098A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can somebody enlighten me with what is silk zibeline? Is it the same as duchesse silk satin? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 08:34:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FCYbXa017813 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:34:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FCYFZ8031289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:34:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FCY42N073684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FCY4XZ092431; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FCY3q5092387 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4979244rvb.11 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5YivRn2XkrltWLfINGuto6PaQhQH/7u8WdBDG2Q1JK4=; b=a1S4zJIFay7NXQdnxRfM5PjXbFuAkKEVjgrST2bwNy7RB9Qyqk4Qruv0zWm4h1eJXC f/tobDM1wH/Rnc6fTxbK4hJ3fe3BeeUUkDZ7+qbCJc7blrXEU4jhmxGxnMgFE8XD5XJq 3cqBYjORGm4oO0QbbEb6BCPz3WGeOMDa0vQTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oMYs8iq9Hf1uzujeNJvgJdwmZVFF0C7xEwsuFMIr974unA6Hkf9VgY/3V4vzx6sExf UrWcdJX55Evlqnh8jSWQdninc+7KaH0fvErr0LHB8cufxMzdD1//jHtxiN2ECMM16n36 cOsPxztBKvlcXhxPLfz9KzmfHdLk4lmhBxrxU= Received: by 10.140.201.8 with SMTP id y8mr3048194rvf.148.1213533243000; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90806150534w447fd8dbsd576abd5c8e558f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:34:02 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <000801c8cee2$6d61dd00$db14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000801c8cee2$6d61dd00$db14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk zibeline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dd6bc12-c9da-462c-93f0-dfe888b22cd9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48550C47.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:34:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO *From Wikipedia....* * * *Zibeline* is a thick, soft fabric with a long nap . It is usually made of wool , such as mohairor alpaca , but can also be made from the hair of other animals, such as camels . Zibeline can also refer to either the sable( *Martes zibellina*) or its pelt, which zibeline was originally made from. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews < drewscph@post12.tele.dk> wrote: > Can somebody enlighten me with what is silk zibeline? Is it the same as > duchesse silk satin? > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 13:03:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FH3cZE028049 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:03:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FH3WMA006453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:03:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FH3C0f087295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FH39Pl094037; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5FH3595093881 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35645 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2008 17:03:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=J8t9vtjKaTB5b3cSv95zzbQJnj7cx0hO+FooEyRh32ij7DMD+HRlXLJgRiBNI0aFeLVVYbIkBHtYKCzKnL4aWOwziCSjtquJa6EzjKV6DIfg9qOJZ3tK2q8om9s8JZCdwUadxDgT8Ntnr+PzDZO4vRCHs7uie9/QeH4w/bd+VV0=; X-YMail-OSG: buMXTb4VM1lg0DQn1e4AlZS5iECOj4DhV3AAXNMLVyR0mNKLBhyhouXTh2mghX0fohVw6hsc3Li26dbbUvicMOkZHONuPfGbuMuDniRe7YnzUUTsCOL_2gv2dq8- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:03:00 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <674184e90806150534w447fd8dbsd576abd5c8e558f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <479961.34338.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk zibeline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d866b1d-38f7-4ef2-9e6a-c71d096e087c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48554B64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here's also a picture: http://en.texsite.info/index.php/Zibeline%3B_zibeline This site has an advantage that it's in many languages - a good thing if you need to translate some textile term:-) Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:43:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FJhsrZ002012 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:43:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FJhlEQ028333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:43:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FJgo9K095800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FJgmch034058; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FJgkfw034023 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1077845ana.65 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=27lZdr/SQpyHBHeccejoTV+umn9dHICbqsUEghRJLVw=; b=FmEibVgx25gAU0MnUCGPjIIbSpFxXWScLs+HY4EDbY9XsLVQgZI/FjVRdpguIHpQwa aaGa1e6SQh5/YhLWnLgOTJLPnv8gxvEDX+rnpw+SIRi8r7VYeu5mFiouvYMtjbWOuov1 FBNopWsao3EI9FIAjDoice1XOyZjFjP7w94VA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=V3vZRrnBftmj2HWGxaJXoPZ2wA8JwDNm2RRvpg7A92TE3+IkuhRy+BT6QoP4NwP6D4 6tcPQ6uywAQoiTjqrks6pEVh+WFRdorZBCtReNjGU9MhUuH68XLOouW/GOmrPRFeHCmL x2TONhOtZX3S/W41lHHCelz+/YtIqXcqdFrIE= Received: by 10.101.71.16 with SMTP id y16mr7278726ank.66.1213558966039; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.17 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:46 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 626d9ac6-3053-48be-ba76-56a2f33f18d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485570F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:43:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Use it as the puffs in pinked or slashed sleeves for a tudor or elizabethan! You may have to double it or put some cotton wool behind it so it will stay puffy, but it would work. Maybe the netting would work over emboridered sleeves. MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: Elizabethan commonplaces for writers, actors, & re-enactors ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:15 AM, otsisto wrote: > The white silk is light weight and though it is said to be a gauze it is > not > very see through. Too flimsy for a coif and not see through enough to have > embroidery show through. The netting on the other hand is somewhat see > through. > This is the silk gauze. it is lightweight and I thought it was going to be > sheer and it aint. > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=QQ574 > This shows the netting silk but in red > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=AA034 > > -----Original Message----- > I have 1yd x 45" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it > other than a partlet? > I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a partlet > to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk > netting? > > De > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 16:07:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FK7Npu002980 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FK7IsS004265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FK6wWs096900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FK6vnq050492; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-117.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FK6qVY050388 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7E51304B8 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:06:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48558458.5040603@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:06:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 18:43:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FMhPfN009591 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:43:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FMhKYP016248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:43:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FMfj8S004965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMfhe8049325; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5FMfeY9049240 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 53587 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2008 22:41:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3qBNYFe5QECdq2jUSgr2rMyBTKnExCdb8aO1LLgcDsRtllBr+XwOBXHVBsUCYvlwRDRMar0/ul3+Tnp8U/7gsCOOBEs9Rtsk6fjenEcFT8kFET6D6ZY6Yf9igqrChKKBVQHCyl5dxQ+GC+0wPjS7KxhfbHYmXjdeIr9OTRwsp7Q=; X-YMail-OSG: 7XpG3dkVM1mkI__vmdoh15z52aspERWNqku424lg2UH0LJzaLohkVh7SImaL2QKi37kIXdLZKU0A Received: from [68.252.42.97] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:41:34 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28d60a09-b0f4-46ff-9869-97b9792c0847 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48559B08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 18:47:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FMlSKT009701 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:47:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FMlMX2005611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FMl3j6005231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMl31k052426; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMkxOe052397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (port=14901 helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K80zy-0004XL-7W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:46:58 +0100 Message-ID: <36069616F1A84CF89622F17BFFD058AE@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: "Historical Costume" References: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:36:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 474aed99-be25-4f46-a873-5ebb719b38c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48559BFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I dont remember the conversation, but could it be these people - http://www.simplyscissors.com/ ? Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] pincushion > Around Christmas, somebody was talking about a St. > Stephen (?) pin cushion that they had been given. Came > from a web-site with similar type nifty gifty > products. I bookmarked the site and now can not find > it. Does anybody remember this? > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 18:57:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FMvcin010078 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FMvX9f024916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FMu550005707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMu41p057270; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:56:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5FMu28J057207 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:56:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 96222 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2008 22:55:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5vyi+F47wl4lWjQ4/vES7WBBtlFSZrfvTjPXuaiwQ/GObleiAUpCDxKM4JSJMIGEQF/rwMHtpJ9fwPjybC+/j8CSN5sHFxjVZSkfHHETUqAbroCQr3k7O8skxYv0BYwyDILfwbnUqruETt15dTB6YcCyELsb7CYNpDXUI99joAs=; X-YMail-OSG: kmfqIIoVM1m3X2p53CZBzN3LNUcoIC3c6U2MmfnZqZxTWiRJBki0Hi64hD6Mq6gN1FRFGHWfD.1wdGB1jTzUIaGc8z.KhDJaSA-- Received: from [68.252.42.97] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:55:16 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <36069616F1A84CF89622F17BFFD058AE@SerenaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <449576.95540.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d638303-1e30-4416-9b03-56a0585a803a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48559E5D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No, not the same, but WOW!! Those are some really neat sissors!! This site offered gifts of a more humorous nature. T-shirts, mugs, misc items. --- Serena Dyer wrote: > I dont remember the conversation, but could it be > these people - > http://www.simplyscissors.com/ ? > > Serena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "REBECCA BURCH" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: [h-cost] pincushion > > > > Around Christmas, somebody was talking about a St. > > Stephen (?) pin cushion that they had been given. > Came > > from a web-site with similar type nifty gifty > > products. I bookmarked the site and now can not > find > > it. Does anybody remember this? > > > > Rebecca Burch > > Center Valley Farm > > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the > ones between the flat > > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 18:58:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5FMwbMd010139 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5FMwWMi030292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5FMwMTv005827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMwM92058571; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18ZPpXtNdonpjUHShJyqrbtHv0qeOiDQU0@mail45.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5FMwJQP058512 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.189]) by mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5FMus8W012007 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:56:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 25800 invoked by uid 80); 15 Jun 2008 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2008 22:58:18 -0000 Message-ID: <48559E89.90603@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:58:17 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 587f6bce-a05c-402e-999e-38b6404a404f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48559E98.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: > Around Christmas, somebody was talking about a St. > Stephen (?) pin cushion that they had been given. Came > from a web-site with similar type nifty gifty > products. I bookmarked the site and now can not find > it. Does anybody remember this? St. Sebastian. I was the lucky recipient. It's here: http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 20:30:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G0U4jH013633 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:30:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G0TvLe017613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G0SonX009991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G0SlJ8006732; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G0ShfY006627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 122-49-138-187.ip.adam.com.au ([122.49.138.187] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1K82SL-000OTm-Gy for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:50:21 +0930 Message-ID: <000a01c8cf47$e9555350$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:58:34 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:30:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it > other than a partlet? > I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a > partlet > to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk > netting? > > De > > You could make a little butterfly veil to go with one of those 'flowerpot' hennins from the latter half of the 15th century. As for the silk netting, even though I also have nowhere to wear anything other than pre-1600's, I would save it up towards making an Edwardian evening dress - one of those with multiple layers of satin and lace and net and hideous complicated fastenings. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 21:06:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G16qqQ015230 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:06:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G16ls5000896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:06:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G0vWOH012392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G0vVZc028738; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G0vSVf028652 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from vms184.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.131]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K2J00J6K6CD3XO1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [70.110.143.43] by mailbox.verizon.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:57:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:57:18 -0500 (CDT) From: kathysmassmail@verizon.net X-Originating-IP: [70.110.143.43] To: Historical Costume Message-id: <6385283.2998781213577838345.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Verizon webmail X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Yuan Dynasty (Chinese/Mongolian) costume? 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Googling was spectacularly unsuccessful and I can't find another picture of the pottery figurine that shows the back. On a side note, they also have a cute four-sided hat that goes with it, which I looked at then realized they were the identical shape to our bedside lamp shades. A trip to the home improvement store is obviously needed! Thanks. --Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 22:12:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G2C2aU017816 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G2BvCg004656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G23g8B018397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G23fpe070117; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G23cQw070086 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A95ED730292; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:01:02 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:03:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c8cf55$2c457b60$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjOkrLHYnslzsQLRHmEAG2EcJLNdwAwkjXg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:12:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Make oversleeves, if it's translucent enough. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] What to do. I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it other than a partlet? I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a partlet to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk netting? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date: 6/14/2008 6:02 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 22:17:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G2HFwc018074 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:17:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G2H6pX017587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G2Fgd4019573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2FgBb079113; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2FV1b078964 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC2918E70284; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:12:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c8cf56$d69debf0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjOkrLHYnslzsQLRHmEAG2EcJLNdwAwreQA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] What to do. I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it other than a partlet? I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a partlet to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk netting? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date: 6/14/2008 6:02 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 22:21:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G2KxP5018210 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:20:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G2Kscl025176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G2FZnt019547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2FZ2b079007; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2FVQ1078962 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC2918E70284; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:12:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c8cf56$d6870890$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjOkrLHYnslzsQLRHmEAG2EcJLNdwAxBywA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:20:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can you make a gauze ruff? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] What to do. I have 1yd x 44" white silk gauze. What pre 1600s item can I make of it other than a partlet? I have 2yds x 44" cream silk netting. A portion of it will be for a partlet to go with a cream pre- 1600s gown. What would you make with 2 yds of silk netting? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date: 6/14/2008 6:02 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 22:33:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G2Xflq018740 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:33:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G2XaOG029931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:33:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G2RSxD020213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2RSZW086495; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2RPqG086471 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1094353ana.65 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VNcHjpKPHuU5bxY3fPgmoJoUKrfRgpRtNp3QDOL4kSY=; b=kFt19F6SwN6s13W2F5QehmnCX/sJdKt+UxsXvQobgT0z7KFE1KDbKeTEVhtID8RT9W N34Tsw/szpS+wnmOQ5cPOJFk2W9sxYeg07n9Sva3kRXXI/95ywjWnF3KIYGg7QPzdTYy PehA6ebVoD4e/2O11nv7YDsdVm5/it2hUPCnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=g/MmcEugjrZFNQlR9v1TQStNMhP8H+D8Gkz23EsKTApq5mw1/o7A5egLmHDBRfKP8Q FEkbWrZuFm6Lja7gtsb/gV6H64HF76RoYzDNMaPtTxDNYpC7AKtVQlwpBTzBmc7nXaaw D6b5bC3iF8R54UDGVZM60VON3q4g6za6Jk/vY= Received: by 10.100.94.14 with SMTP id r14mr6052026anb.152.1213583244500; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.17 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:24 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <36069616F1A84CF89622F17BFFD058AE@SerenaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <36069616F1A84CF89622F17BFFD058AE@SerenaPC> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a6033b6-1abb-443c-bfea-7ad6b2d274f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4855D100.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:33:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fabulous stuff, but how do you order anything from them? They won't even send me more information because I'm an "unauthorized domain". MaggiRos On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Serena Dyer wrote: > I dont remember the conversation, but could it be these people - > http://www.simplyscissors.com/ ? > > > -- Maggie Secara A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: Elizabethan commonplaces for writers, actors, & re-enactors ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 22:48:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G2mnAP019217 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:48:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G2miOG023518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:48:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G2RsQw020246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2RsDO086787; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G2RPqH086471 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1094353ana.65 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4GCuSeZ5NdHVQG/CT3qU2IV9NFVjZNxCjsyvPvbB8mY=; b=B5PqE6/3KjBXnbRrFsa/l65EhlsBtTlVPVOh07648vg8nRfpiC921wY/xLhbRA1qbZ EfQA3YZXBHbdj9Na5ntWieT19xEQTox5JAkgUMnsj7iulniD4OXZRIUZcPOdUJwSvK0z dxoh2i1yIrPNF/oNjmssKivtW9tjX2AJ3/C5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=krYOgVw2bq7EdzxyIqaJIUoqmSuvl2zzGP/ArCEeJLdoiwGEdTUt4vFSvQqigrsyOu i9GrrEgZd3B+M75sLQJZq/0EOI2wAfh4Q9wi4NXgTa0cD9xw2gMnjaQbk3CxXvTCisUh IyV0lPtE7joouKoKiWdIUS/hjiLjkjKLCkdNM= Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr7546333ang.51.1213583272985; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.17 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:52 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <754451.52906.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <36069616F1A84CF89622F17BFFD058AE@SerenaPC> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6822df7-ddbe-46ce-9d76-6dd894697389 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4855D48C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:48:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I meant, how do you order from http://www.simplyscissors.com/ On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Maggie wrote: > Fabulous stuff, but how do you order anything from them? They won't even > send me more information because I'm an "unauthorized domain". > > MaggiRos > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Serena Dyer < > serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk> wrote: > >> I dont remember the conversation, but could it be these people - >> http://www.simplyscissors.com/ ? >> >> >> > > -- > Maggie Secara > A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: Elizabethan commonplaces for > writers, actors, & re-enactors > ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 -- Maggie Secara A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: Elizabethan commonplaces for writers, actors, & re-enactors ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 03:06:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G76OQv019063 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:06:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G76EH8004579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G75RhT032170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G75OfO074764; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G75KPq074722 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C563401CD for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:05:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c8cf56$d6870890$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 03:26:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5G7Px6f022719 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:25:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5G7PpaZ012014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5G7PUq6032958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:25:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G7PUJ7089449; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:25:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5G7PRgw089416 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:25:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 823EA401C3 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:25:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:25:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c8cf47$e9555350$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b552bb33-75d7-4e91-a0cf-5fe6026e29bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4856157F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:25:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO :) I have been toying with making a Burgundian. The "netting" as they labeled it looks more like very fine and flimsy Aida cloth. One of the reasons I do not like ordering fabric online is because I can not handle it or see it up close. The White silk was suppose to be for a Venetian partlet. Thinking gauze = sheer,..nope. The cream was for a 1920s but the weave isn't right so I am going to make out of some of it a partlet to coordinate with fabric for a cream and white Venetian V-gown. Now all that needs to be decided with the latter is who will it be made for. If I can find someone to help fit me, it will be mine. Otherwise it will be made for a friend. Thank you, De -----Original Message----- You could make a little butterfly veil to go with one of those 'flowerpot' hennins from the latter half of the 15th century. As for the silk netting, even though I also have nowhere to wear anything other than pre-1600's, I would save it up towards making an Edwardian evening dress - one of those with multiple layers of satin and lace and net and hideous complicated fastenings. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 06:52:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GAqCxL018434 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:52:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GAq79O027299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GApnY9043029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GApkXN039100; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.72.60]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5GAphOf039014 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m_mc_nealy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15127 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 10:51:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=X/73MMItVIFpjI3ONflLDKCgkuum/BdlMavvmvF4rB6gMzsx/Wggb2Bpt0kP71Xg/Y0k38rFQxuWpvy7OlLkk4/6JySfb6o8nhhwZKjGtGMw5MqKyM0cGiFxdnYnFXoOoymnAodH8xCWdVRf+sZ0Mut95MRGYfqbQQUJlIqgKzY=; X-YMail-OSG: ZlcyXroVM1n5S2cRmx5PLsHLns1Mb_P5C.V786oK3eG7mBzo4L35_fIHEq4_VcXpf8E1y44m.Rz_U.Wv19.g9L0V31lSSFxCoE_phg-- Received: from [72.218.230.2] by web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:51:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Marion McNealy To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? 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Thanks, Marion _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 07:43:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GBhZWL027495 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:43:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GBhUFR007207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GBhCYs045664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GBhChl069847; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GBh9Y7069817 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.16] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1728127751 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c8cfa6$257b56a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:43:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? 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If it was just the smoke smell, you could air it out on a covered porch or clothesline, but body odor means sweat and skin oils. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 10:59:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GExaKf009591 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:59:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GExUid006023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:59:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GExA68062065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GEx7AA026202; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GEx4EF026068 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15880130551 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:59:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48568DB5.8010300@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:58:45 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d735c1a2-4332-4c72-9aca-0223018a47d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48567FD2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:59:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Marion McNealy wrote: > I recently purchased a great short fur coat for $10, unfortunately, it smells of body odor and cigarette smoke. How do I get this smell out of the fur? I had thought of brushing baking soda through it, letting it sit for a while in a bag, then vacuuming it out and then letting it sit again with some aromatic herb sachets. Will this work or should I do something else? > Fur will mostly sort itself out with sun and clean air. If you can hang it on the back porch on a breezy day the fresh air will do wonders. If there's gunk on the fur, a wet washcloth (just like you were cleaning up a messy puppy) will help get it clean. The lining, however, may need washing. Or replacing. What kind of fur is it? And what kind of lining? I have a full length rabbit coat with a polyester lining, and I know from experience (having been caught in a downpour and soaked) that it can handle getting wet. It looked horrible wet, but it dried just by hanging in place, and was so nice a fluffy afterward. If it's a jacket and the polyester lining is nasty, I'd be tempted to remove it and wash it, or replace it. (Take a pattern from the original). Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:19:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GFJRIG010398 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:19:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GFJL8H021305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GFJ3IB064504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFJ35A047405; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFJ1Fb047291 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.50]) by bay0-omc1-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:18:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:18:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:18:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2008 15:18:55.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A9B4AD0:01C8CFC4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b21cd99-a19f-4a9b-9622-c47bbea83ad4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48568479.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know this subject comes up from time to time, but I couldn't find if this particular one had been covered: How do you get stains from underarm deodorant out of fabric? This isn't a sweat stain, but residue and discolouration from the deodorant itself. Any ideas? Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:22:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GFM6oF010521 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:22:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GFLusK000996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:22:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GFLht9064834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFLhgK050112; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFLfGu050082 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so5326121rvb.11 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wF/fWwy4mamFn1xuw6tvmSfwkOAPPH6G/9DQOwRmbIQ=; b=bGfpV1QYTChjRxU8kkuE+eVK3GVKKymphY4VsX5kyrtKzszOgoR1WlYobz0woMrvi2 3r3XrzSURvMwnHC32kUcqfI/o1mRfamIJhgwCoL7cvv+wV8PqteSUIjB4bqcFkaZEcfc xDr51cwNpoEXaj9++BoyOFEPaaenZ1MYyNzSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iMbddmynEEkBHwgYDbmgw/wmhBUFl0H1vyUgbZ1EOFubxk6T1RM/m/CfRqq8extvNw zbrg+fzGWHLJbIB2kGbD4Bue1YhkhnJJoDOdR2lRS6o8UcAMypV4mbq3cw+gHV47wvSl 9rvX5ajJEwok+nsC+rB3WfTJTMRF0lSD91lMQ= Received: by 10.140.133.9 with SMTP id g9mr3761783rvd.235.1213629701697; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660806160821n7c40e027lf56e169ca740b387@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:21:41 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb2c27ef-962d-4c3e-8bfc-77b7a9345ee8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48568514.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What is the fabric in question? On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > I know this subject comes up from time to time, but I couldn't find if this > particular one had been covered: > > How do you get stains from underarm deodorant out of fabric? This isn't a > sweat stain, but residue and discolouration from the deodorant itself. > > Any ideas? > > Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:33:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GFXDWP011052 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GFX34q008023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GFTFwA065717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFTFjY057828; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFTCVl057680 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.46]) by bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:29:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:29:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:29:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <72adc2660806160821n7c40e027lf56e169ca740b387@mail.gmail.com> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:29:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2008 15:29:05.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[B648F240:01C8CFC5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4b1c499-e87b-4905-8a81-32e17e3cd390 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485687AF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One is 100% cotton, the other a poly/cotton blend. I also have a silk shift that is starting to have issues as well. S >From: "Marie Stewart" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stains >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:21:41 -0400 > >What is the fabric in question? > >On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Shane Sheridan Chabot > wrote: > > I know this subject comes up from time to time, but I couldn't find if >this > > particular one had been covered: > > > > How do you get stains from underarm deodorant out of fabric? This isn't >a > > sweat stain, but residue and discolouration from the deodorant itself. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Sheridan P. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:36:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GFavuM011247 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:36:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GFalH1006258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:36:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GFaaTR066516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFaaOm065601; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.72.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5GFaWtq065450 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m_mc_nealy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39384 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 15:36:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=SYTT/iX8yIakcM17UdzuwISKrO6kIwbHhs44XS6NpoeSYc4N973+RV879V5gKauVzRzgrbyQQrzr8T3G84K6R4Z0cDQ8iIt+3SQ6Y5b1BsEnl4kAiz2o4/41vMGAJdCGRJ86sFFb8hH0aFeBV0D7he3VnY8T7lSW5mUuzFntB5s=; X-YMail-OSG: lOdHRH4VM1k.WWQajaCYaWE4OE1ckkk5RUmK.jvh259kSa0F3_VHCAcrxnUk0AvVPd4gsWGfvO.rANuXoDdhnp54ocE96APyz_G9gA-- Received: from [72.218.230.2] by web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:36:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Marion McNealy To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <530446.39299.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd6a3e1f-b8b2-444b-a1cb-9a7a8fe224bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4856888F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dawn wrote: What kind of fur is it? And what kind of lining? ---------------- I haven't a clue on the fur, it *might* be a dyed rabbit, but I don't know. The lining is poly and nasty. I think most of the smell is coming from it. I'll try removing it and airing it out well. If that fails, I'll take it in to get it professionally cleaned. -Marion _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:43:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GFh4Mc011548 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:43:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GFgsKu000379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GFgeeX067134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFgeDI071798; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GFgb4O071659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1656 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K8Gqm-0003k5-0e for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:42:32 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080616164052.03967cd8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:42:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <530446.39299.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <530446.39299.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27c0271e-1e85-4883-988d-c8ee7e57e6d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485689FE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:36 16/06/2008, you wrote: >Dawn wrote: >What kind of fur is it? And what kind of lining? > >---------------- >I haven't a clue on the fur, it *might* be a dyed rabbit, but I >don't know. The lining is poly and nasty. I think most of the smell >is coming from it. I'll try removing it and airing it out well. If >that fails, I'll take it in to get it professionally cleaned. When I was *much* younger, in the early 50's my grandma showed me how to clean fur using clean white breadcrumbs from an uncut loaf. It worked but was boring to do. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 13:25:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GHP0H3015345 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:25:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GHOqWA005705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GHOJq6076692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GHODXY087094; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GHO9ZH087020 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E3DA55070 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:24:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:24:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 759e0c5d-f558-47b1-b7ef-8c110aad10be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4856A1E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-remove-deodorant-stains.htm Remove Deodorant Stains From: Acetate, Burlap, Carpet/Synthetic, Carpet/Wool, Cotton, Fiberglass, Linen, Rayon, Silk, Triacetate, Wool Apply rubbing alcohol to the stain and cover with an absorbent pad dampened with alcohol (dilute alcohol with 2 parts water for acetate, Rayon, and triacetate; test silk for colorfastness before using alcohol). Keep both moist. Allow to stand as long as any stain is being removed. If the stain remains (and as a last resort), flush (the method of applying stain remover to loosen staining materials and residue from stain removers) with a solution of warm sudsy water with a little ammonia added (use special care on silk and wool). Rinse with clear water. Apply a solution of warm water with a little white vinegar added, taking special care with this solution on cotton and linen. Rinse again with clear water. Dry thoroughly. (If the color of the fabric has been changed, it may possibly be restored by sponging (the method of using light strokes with a dampened pad working outward from the center of the stain) lightly with a solution of 2 parts water and 1 part ammonia.) Caution: Never iron material with a deodorant stain. The combination of chemical and heat interaction will ruin most fabrics. Remove Deodorant Stains From: Acrylic Fabric, Modacrylic, Nylon, Olefin, Polyester, Spandex Most deodorant stains can be removed by pretreating (the method of applying a stain-removing agent directly to the stained area before laundering) with a liquid detergent or prespotter such as Shout Liquid Laundry Stain Remover and launder as usual. If the stain doesnt seem to be loosening with the pretreatment, rinse out the detergent and flush with white vinegar. Rinse in clear water. If the stain remains, flush the area with denatured alcohol. Rinse with clear water and dry or launder as usual. or http://tinyurl.com/5eev4g silks http://cleaning.tips.net/Pages/T0144_Removing_Stains_from_Silk.html http://tinyurl.com/6nouu3 -----Original Message----- One is 100% cotton, the other a poly/cotton blend. I also have a silk shift that is starting to have issues as well. S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:08:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5GK8WrI023682 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:08:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5GK8POU010350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:08:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5GK7Qht090612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5GK7NLq061748; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5GK7Ifq061602 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 72969 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 20:07:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z9UOYRQQ7MXzAKPA1PUXyiWst7VQRUZ6Nu/pc566KXmix02EHsjMpapCUH/kO8kP+SibVbGq48KojJKOIphVSlNzSasDcYW8lBHjk39TpzHiMD0TeiHL/pxU+OGBVdN8Hmhv8VlM+YvNC6XGJAaeW+6NOqeJBEEVVggWlDx2Ej0=; X-YMail-OSG: RI_PkScVM1nE8qZUg3p0.MO7RiYBmTTQfP3vbKl5vMlqjxmB1Fdmk7FUEmx5HbIvhw-- Received: from [68.252.42.97] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:07:12 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48559E89.90603@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <404200.72627.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] pincushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad012160-5055-411c-9ac9-2614c1f82a70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4856C839.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That's it exactly! Thank you. --- Robin Netherton wrote: > REBECCA BURCH wrote: > > Around Christmas, somebody was talking about a St. > > Stephen (?) pin cushion that they had been given. > Came > > from a web-site with similar type nifty gifty > > products. I bookmarked the site and now can not > find > > it. Does anybody remember this? > > St. Sebastian. I was the lucky recipient. It's here: > > http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195 > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 21:05:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5H15imT005222 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:05:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5H15cgw024429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5H156RY010479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H153tg019729; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from atmailx07.tmomail.net (mec195e42.tmodns.net [66.94.25.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H14xgp019630 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [10.223.96.166] (166.96.223.10.in-addr.arpa [10.223.96.166]) by atmailx07.tmomail.net (8.14.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m5H14qXo022833 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:04:53 -0700 Message-ID: <48570DB6.4040006@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:04:54 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley Organization: The Bovine Illuminati User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <817741.13670.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0806160165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to remove smells from fur? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5aef1d0-5e4f-46ab-b62e-1ee20cfcb256 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48570DE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Marion McNealy wrote: > I recently purchased a great short fur coat for $10, unfortunately, it smells of body odor and cigarette smoke. How do I get this smell out of the fur? I had thought of brushing baking soda through it, letting it sit for a while in a bag, then vacuuming it out and then letting it sit again with some aromatic herb sachets. Will this work or should I do something else? When in doubt, try the old theatrical wardrobe trick (but start with a test swatch). Mix up equal parts vodka and water. Put in a spray-mister. Mist the lining lightly. Let air out. Repeat. I'm not sure how the fur and skin itself would stand up to this, though, if you did the outside too. Another good trick is to put it in a closet with one of those Sharper Image ionic air cleaners for a few days. We did that with a very smoky leather jacket and the smell just went away. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 23:14:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5H3EXnD009775 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5H3EStE031656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5H3E2Rx017976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H3E0Dw094954; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H3DwVB094896 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (194.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.194]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2008061703135411200nfonve>; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:13:54 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c8d028$2bd41e10$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Where to start X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45c2f5ba-9555-450c-b3bc-3dc55073b5c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48572C14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm interested in playing with Regency England fashions but know almost nothing about them. Can anyone recomend a good book or two on this topic? Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 00:05:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5H45cAS011584 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:05:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5H45VaU023701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:05:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5H45GOi020434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H45EnS024791; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H459gu024741 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101759F0359 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:07:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <6385283.2998781213577838345.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> In-Reply-To: <6385283.2998781213577838345.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806170007.58314.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yuan Dynasty (Chinese/Mongolian) costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0e9bf72-8e00-4a3f-b281-b298f887ea4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4857380B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:05:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 15 June 2008 8:57:18 pm kathysmassmail@verizon.net wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm trying to recreate a Yuan dynasty outfit for my husband. He's > especially interested in the Mongolian "plaited garment" (pg. 140 of > 5000 years of Chinese Costume). Apparently, it has "a broad band made of > plaited threads [...] sewn to the waist." They have a sketch of the > back, I believe, and a picture of a pottery figurine from Jiaozuo, Henan > Province showing the front, sort of. > > Does anyone have any more information on this garment? Googling was > spectacularly unsuccessful and I can't find another picture of the > pottery figurine that shows the back. Chances are that any sites that would be useful to you are Chinese language sites, and unless you read Chinese you can't really Google effectively for those. There are, in general, very few English-language sites on the costume history of Asian cultures. However, after looking at the pictures to which you referred, I'd say that there's probably a bit of a translation issue here. The picture looks like "pleated" fabric not "plaited" (or braided) threads. In fact, the period figurine they provide a picture of looks as though he's wearing a buckled garment with straps over his long skirted tunic more than anything else. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 03:44:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5H7huxf013366 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5H7holO018483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5H7hQ9T029777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H7hNXO049249; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H7hJB3049208 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1K8VqY04QZ-0003cU; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <009401c8d04d$cf8fdbf0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/L8DDCQL+hcUfpDIDBegCGPcha890E8V/z8mW KzmMWJyLBSHLv1W7roww/aPkeNkJpNKEqDhu6zCoCMI15Xi5E1 DDr1V6K7EiIi1ftytFf/Q== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Book Sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d969c8a3-b6aa-4820-bb84-dd6782c40ddf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48576B36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am having a book sale from our in-house library collection. You can find the book listing at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/BOOKS_TO_SELL.htm . This list is changing daily, so please check the listing often. Daily, I am adding books and deleting them from the list as they sell. I have already had three people want the same book. In cases like that, I will sell to the person who emails me first. If you would like to purchase any of the books, email me at penny@costumegallery.com . Shipping is the actual cost to your home or business. When you email me, make sure to include your name, mailing address, and a phone number if located in the U.S. Please make sure to copy and paste the title of the book and include it in your email. Terms of sale are located at the bottom of the book list webpage. Someone asked today if I was going out of business. I am staying in business, as I have since 1996. I'm not retiring for several more years. I have wanted to do this type of sale for several summers. Now seems to be a good time to have the sale. I hope you enjoy the sale! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 04:40:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5H8dtX3020806 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:39:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5H8dnVu015736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:39:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5H8dcvE032362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H8db9j082661; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5H8dY0K082596 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C154173E27 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:39:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from CPE-121-219-18-188.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-121-219-18-188.vic.bigpond.net.au [121.219.18.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:39:31 +1000 Message-ID: <1213691971.48577843d8de3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:39:31 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 124a7235-b519-45fa-844d-0abcb9b93199 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48577855.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Experiment on some scraps with borax & eucalyptus oil with a mild water rinse -- it will move everything except an ex-wife, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 14:38:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5HIceAn005475 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5HIcV7c031026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5HIbq3W076122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5HIbm0N099475; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5HIbjHG099341 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m5HIbcur005560 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:37:39 GMT Message-ID: <001901c8d0a9$392f22e0$1bdfc446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:37:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yuan Dynasty (Chinese/Mongolian) costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 392d6766-7c49-42d4-a4b2-9d0d53efdfbd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485804A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "Plaited" is the old term for what we now call "Pleated". "Threads" was an informal term for fabric or clothing. I guessing that the description of that photo was written a *long* time ago, and the editor didn't think to update the language. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com > I'm trying to recreate a Yuan dynasty outfit for my husband. He's > especially interested in the Mongolian "plaited garment" (pg. 140 of > 5000 years of Chinese Costume). Apparently, it has "a broad band made of > plaited threads [...] sewn to the waist." They have a sketch of the > back, I believe, and a picture of a pottery figurine from Jiaozuo, Henan > Province showing the front, sort of. > > Does anyone have any more information on this garment? Googling was > spectacularly unsuccessful and I can't find another picture of the > pottery figurine that shows the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 15:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5HJ4k9d006891 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:04:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5HJ4da6016838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5HJ4KVb078640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5HJ4JZd026989; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5HJ4GHe026909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m5HIG6Ml011848 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:04:11 -0700 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:03:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:03:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 06/17/2008 12:03:42 PM, Serialize complete at 06/17/2008 12:03:42 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-06-17 - 12:04:11 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to start X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6f93753-31eb-4065-bb09-f874cb24047c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48580AC7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I'm interested in playing with Regency England fashions but know almost > nothing about them. Can anyone recommend a good book or two on this topic? I just finished a regency dress :-) (you can see it here: http://sbuchler.livejournal.com/61788.html ) 'cause of that I have an enormous regency book collection...none of which is with me at the moment, so I'm going to list my favorites from memory: For basic construction "getting started" advice, I'd turn to: Janet Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion 1: 1660-1860_ Jean Hunnisett's _Period Costume for Stage & Screen: Patterns for Women's Dress 1800-1909_ >From a pretty pictures/good read standpoint I'd turn to: _Fashion_ published by the Kyoto Institute (not much text, and it's not specific to regency, but the regency dresses are well worth drooling over ;-) and it has all the photos that the earlier _Revolution in Fashion 1715-1815_ had, but it's lots cheaper the pictures in the 1-volume and 2-volume sets are the same as far as I can tell.) Katell le Bourhis' _The Age of Napoleon: Costume from Revolution to Empire, 1789-1815_ (only useful for French fashions, but has interesting text and beautiful pictures) _In Royal Fashion_ (this isn't as generally useful, as it's an analysis of Princess Charlotte's and Queen Victoria's wardrobes, but the text is fascinating, the pictures are beautiful, and it's not that often you get to analyze the wardrobe for an individual) _Ackermann's Costume Plates_ published by Dover (this is pretty cheap, and gives a nice smattering of the late-regency fashion plates) Nancy Bradfield's _Costume in Detail: Women's Dress 1730-1930_ (this is all re-drawings of extant garments, but it shows how the clothes are fastened and other useful bits that are generally hard to see when looking at either the pattern or photos of the garments) Penelope Byrde's _Jane Austen Fashion_ (this doesn't have much in the way of pictures but it does talk about how clothes were used/worn and has a good breakdown of accessories and all the bits and pieces that make up an outfit. Of the books, this is probably the best overview, if you combine it with something that has lots of pictures) For one-stop-shopping overview, my favorite sources are all on-line: http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html (generally a really nice overview with portraits, extant garments and fashion plates, plus useful historical and cultural info) http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/ (pictures of extant garments) http://www.songsmyth.com/costumerscompanion.html (useful breakdown of the parts that make up the outfits, plus reviews of patterns and pointers towards sources for accessories) Hope that wasn't too much :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 21:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5I1Y8fD023551 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:34:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5I1Y3wX029187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5I1XXGr007615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5I1XU0D074538; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5I1XQtB074487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5I1XPDY014602 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:33:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:33:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7497/Tue Jun 17 16:43:38 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] slightly OT forward from H-Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73495688-c425-4e09-92a9-86f2233301e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4858660B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know some of you on h-costume are involved with historic house museums, but I don't know who among you might be on the H-Museum list so I'm forwarding this query to all. [see below] Suzanne From: "Potvin, Ronald Matthew" Subject: Historic House Museum closings Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:19:20 -0400 -------------------------------------------------------- Hi all, I am doing some research attempting to quantify the depth of the current historic house museum "malaise" in the United States. Information about attendance, finances, and staffing are available through various sources. However, verifiable information about closings of house museums is more difficult to obtain and is often anecdotal. Although I realize that soliciting information in this fashion also is anecdotal in nature, these examples will help me to identify the depth of the problem as well as the factors that led to the closings. So, If anyone has heard of the closing or failure of a historic house museum, especially a small historic house museum, I would appreciate that information. Links to online articles or journal citations would also be helpful. Thanks in advance. Ron M. Potvin Assistant Director & Curator John Nicholas Brown Center Box 1880, Brown University Providence, RI 02912 401.863.1177 401.863.7777 fax -- H-MUSEUM H-Net Network for Museums and Museum Studies E-Mail: h-museum@h-net.msu.edu WWW: http://www.h-museum.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 23:15:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5I3FdGg028004 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:15:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5I3FX0n019214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:15:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5I3FEMB012803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5I3FCWd034614; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5I3FAsY034584 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F859F0359 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:18:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <001901c8d0a9$392f22e0$1bdfc446@MantuaMaker> In-Reply-To: <001901c8d0a9$392f22e0$1bdfc446@MantuaMaker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806172318.04427.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yuan Dynasty (Chinese/Mongolian) costume? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:15:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 17 June 2008 2:37:38 pm Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker wrote: > "Plaited" is the old term for what we now call "Pleated". > "Threads" was an informal term for fabric or clothing. > > I guessing that the description of that photo was written a *long* time > ago, and the editor didn't think to update the language. I knew about the older use of "plaited." (See my post on the topic.) The "threads" explanation didn't occur to me, but it makes sense if we assume that the translator may have picked up English from...many different sources. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:31:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IDVsAD010785 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:31:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IDVm2L032179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IDVRUp044475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDVOVs047677; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDVL0Y047576 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d1e.2875a21b (48576) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:31:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d1e.2875a21b.358a6849_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . 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Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:37:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IDbN4S011034 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:37:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IDbFlG001986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IDb2T6044822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDb2MX052302; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDaxcF052171 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d57.1187a022 (48576) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:37:30 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:37:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry, I thought the image was imbeded in the e-mail. I'll try again. Catherine In a message dated 6/18/2008 9:34:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, maricelt@gmail.com writes: Need the URL to the image. I have a suspicion, but would like to verify. Mari 2008/6/18 : > > My husband sent this to me. Has anyone seen this before? > > Thanks, > Catherine > > Does anyone know where this picture comes from? A fellow on the Armour > Archive is wondering. > > > I find the idea of a clearly noble lady tending a forge more than a little > jarring . . . > > > > > > ____________________________________ **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:45:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IDjqOU011371 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IDjlC2012723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IDjbqr045301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDjahT059955; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDjYKQ059923 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so6096919rvb.11 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MY+bbojEQiZglKyAZ5MbeKu536O00+VtJ/1qSB/NLKg=; b=YlcK0XdAPFk/GDvMx7phtBEjA+I6FIqp8Eycw2DXSmamty0EWS9ZGosrkBmskQGSDU gv5YJqhqLCp2Yb1G6fl+bNe7MGXfNo6cdoSYvdSQGzCWbG6gsoD7fCnVkWDgZcwsX7V1 BEfMsj6k8Hml+HzJwh0ZdNLPvLZUlmc3v0Kg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ugcKnTpdvcOGnLGMqKyqNFFZPsZZa25cdLjiU+2umjuXgjepYZrzXXyUYQMmepEuZ3 qRjcnB9JedIYGiBYSUQC61pcG/nAn+8CeVdVoRyZRV/rDz4kE5CE1eZd2a7ZvPRAtrzG cXSZQEioiYs6aoqcZAaab8DR8CTNIyy5s13rw= Received: by 10.141.5.3 with SMTP id h3mr5319211rvi.138.1213796733658; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660806180645m5e2e5706o4ca5f7e9f0312373@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:45:33 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:45:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ah, it probably is, but my GMail is stripping the image out. Too bad. Mari On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > > Sorry, I thought the image was imbeded in the e-mail. I'll try again. > > Catherine > > In a message dated 6/18/2008 9:34:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > maricelt@gmail.com writes: > > Need the URL to the image. I have a suspicion, but would like to verify. > Mari > > 2008/6/18 : >> >> My husband sent this to me. Has anyone seen this before? >> >> Thanks, >> Catherine >> >> Does anyone know where this picture comes from? A fellow on the Armour >> Archive is wondering. >> >> >> I find the idea of a clearly noble lady tending a forge more than a little >> jarring . . . >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ > > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:58:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IDwjUW011797 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IDwZgI028186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IDwFn0046137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDwF1L070938; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/CcymUWQMxCBL7xSkasRVxyhuS3YnZAc4@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IDwCt5070904 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1g.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.185]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5IDwCUJ032424 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:58:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 29219 invoked by uid 80); 18 Jun 2008 13:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.181 with ESMTPA; 18 Jun 2008 13:58:11 -0000 Message-ID: <48591474.1080209@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:58:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58d487e3-b3c6-4084-9e22-792b4639cd7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4859148B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO CBellfleur@aol.com wrote: > Sorry, I thought the image was imbeded in the e-mail. I'll try again. I don't think the list allows images or attachments. Can you send us a URL? Like Mari, I have a suspicion. Several, in fact. There are some well-known illuminations of women working a forge, mostly images from moral tales of long-ago good women, or the blacksmith's wife who forged the nails for the crucifixion, or some such. None of them, to my knowledge, are meant to be seen as representing real women blacksmiths. The image of a woman at a forge I see reproduced most (e.g. in some of the Medieval Woman products) is from the allegorical romance Le Roman de la Rose. I'd have to look up the context of the image, but I can assure you the figure is not meant to be realistic. She has other symbolic elements to her dress, too, including a sideless surcote and a bare head with long flowing hair. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:09:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IE9qeR012215 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:09:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IE9i5A009317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IE9Sng046980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IE9Skc082026; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5IE9OFH081883 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 16288 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2008 14:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:09:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This website got mentioned on another list I subscribe to, and I thought some of you might like to see it. http://www.annegracie.com/writing/costumepage.htm I had no idea bodices could be arranged that way! Your fascinated, Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:12:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IECO9C012306 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IECEpY004871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:12:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IEC4I6047143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEC4jr084548; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEC1DS084415 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c3d.34869923 (48576); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:12:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Cc: JBRMM266@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:12:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Jeb is trying to get the URL from the original poster. I'll forward it as soon as he gets it. Other lists I'm on strip attachments, too. The description you gave (sideless, bare head/long hair) matches the picture he sent me. She is standing in front of the forge with tongs in the fire. Her gown and the skirt of the sideless are a rusty-red color, with the upper part of the sideless in ermine. Cuffs on her gown are dark (black?). Three men are in the foreground hammering on a piece on the anvil. Catherine In a message dated 6/18/2008 9:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@netherton.net writes: I don't think the list allows images or attachments. Can you send us a URL? Like Mari, I have a suspicion. Several, in fact. There are some well-known illuminations of women working a forge, mostly images from moral tales of long-ago good women, or the blacksmith's wife who forged the nails for the crucifixion, or some such. None of them, to my knowledge, are meant to be seen as representing real women blacksmiths. The image of a woman at a forge I see reproduced most (e.g. in some of the Medieval Woman products) is from the allegorical romance Le Roman de la Rose. I'd have to look up the context of the image, but I can assure you the figure is not meant to be realistic. She has other symbolic elements to her dress, too, including a sideless surcote and a bare head with long flowing hair. --Robin **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:48:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IFmQV9017065 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:48:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IFmL3W001619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IEdoSD049105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEdnwP011006; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX189RQQSD1IhKKwJW4DFuJfyH8uSUOUKGXI@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEdkUQ010955 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5IEdjbj031632 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:39:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 15478 invoked by uid 80); 18 Jun 2008 14:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 18 Jun 2008 14:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: <48591E32.4060409@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:39:46 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Does anyone in your Costume group know . . . X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b68d0a75-8b5a-41b4-9f42-792163fa7c02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48592E45.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO CBellfleur@aol.com wrote: > The description you gave (sideless, bare head/long hair) matches the picture > he sent me. She is standing in front of the forge with tongs in the fire. > Her gown and the skirt of the sideless are a rusty-red color, with the upper > part of the sideless in ermine. Cuffs on her gown are dark (black?). Three > men are in the foreground hammering on a piece on the anvil. Yes, that's the one I'm seeing here in the Medieval Woman Book of Days, at November 12. There's a tiny detail of it there, but I know I've seen the full image in some other publications, probably in one of the MW calendars. The Book of Days cites it as Roman de la Rose, Paris, Bibliotheque Sainte-Genevieve, MS 1125, fol. 115, but I believe that is wrong. The latter image (same book, earlier manuscript) is most likely the one seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/medievalarchive/1862182937/ The one you describe (reproduced in the Book of Days) is clearly 15th c. I'm sure I have a better citation for the specific manuscript in one of my other books, but not at my fingertips and no time to hunt right now. In any case, the figure is not real. It is the allegorical figure of Nature, who is described as making children at a forge. In the 15th c. image, she is dressed in symbolic "queen" costume, but crownless. --Robin feverishly editing MC&T vol. 5 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:50:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IFoirM017250 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:50:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IFocWW023700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:50:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IEnfGM050017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEneVU020675; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/jKiB6hpf9LHRMbIjN/yb3ofM/YVbYzfU@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IEnaQT020605 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1g.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.185]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5IEnaZS013699 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:49:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 26938 invoked by uid 80); 18 Jun 2008 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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Right book, wrong manuscript. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:07:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IG7f9N018159 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:07:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IG7XJa015693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IF7Ege051580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IF7DRr038018; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IF7B5n037898 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.cf0.37a40e5e (14467) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:07:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cf0.37a40e5e.358a7e96_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] URL for picture of forge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1cd080e-efc7-4040-9cbb-d834e68c91b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485932C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:17:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting CBellfleur@aol.com: > > In a message dated 6/18/2008 10:19:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBRMM266 > writes: > > The original poster sent me the URL: > _http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm_ > (http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm) > If I had to guess, I'd say that was one of the illustrations from Christine de Pizan's "City of Women." There are other such examples in that manuscript (like women building a house .....) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:38:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IGcdXv019545 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:38:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IGcX39020476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:38:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IGbvcu060040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IGbtON035812; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+txFjGC2RMybatsPUVxhAcZTYFwG5vgC0@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IGbptY035739 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1k.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.189]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5IGboSM006879 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:37:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 23279 invoked by uid 80); 18 Jun 2008 16:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:38:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: >> _http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm_ >> (http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm) > > If I had to guess, I'd say that was one of the illustrations from > Christine de Pizan's "City of Women." There are other such examples in > that manuscript (like women building a house .....) I wrote a bit earlier that I had found a detail of the image (a close-up of just the lady) in the Medieval Woman Book of Days, attributed to a 14th c. Roman de la Rose. The Roman de la Rose does have a scene in which Dame Nature (an allegorical figure) is described as working at a forge, making new people to replace dead ones. However, the attribution line on the image in the Book of Days was clearly wrong, as this picture was obviously late 15th c. (I posted a link to the actual 14th c. picture, a much earlier rendition of Fortune at the forge.) While I was waiting for that e-mail to come through on the list, I've been chatting with Cathy's husband Jeb, who posed the original question. Here's the gist of what I wrote to him (pertinent bits of several messages tidied up and combined): --- Because the image was misattributed in the book I have, there is a slight possiblity this is not a Roman de la Rose, and thus not Dame Nature, but in any case the costume clearly signals an allegorical or symbolic presentation. So this can't be used as evidence for women blacksmiths, much less women blacksmiths in sideless surcotes with their hair down! For your purposes, though, the rendition of the forge and the blacksmithing tools, techniques, etc. is probably as accurate as any other image from the period. [Then I saw the full image, which shows the rest of the shop, including three men making armor] Having seen the full image, I think now that it is not the Roman de la Rose, but rather a scene from Boccaccio's "Livre des cleres et nobles femmes," of which there are quite a few illuminated manuscripts from this period. (I'd put this one around 1480-1500 offhand.) There's a scene in that book of a queen who supervises armourer-making or possibly helps make armour. I don't have the book handy so can't look up the story, but I know I've seen several illuminations of the scene. --- Susan is right that there are a number of unrealistic images of queenly allegorical figures doing craft and building work in the Cite des Dames. (One of my favorites shows a queen doing bricklaying.) I don't recall any scenes of armor-forging in that context, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:52:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5IJqk9A027915 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:52:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5IJqYTc018475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5IJpbmt076888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IJpWC6052495; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5IJpSDK052454 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 453FD3B6F2 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:51:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <485939DE.6040301@netherton.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] URL for picture of forge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 912e71a8-3617-44a8-b0fa-9ba70c36eb4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48596782.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:52:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe there are several Roman de la Rose manuscripts. One was illuminated 1350 France. >From 15th century Roman de la Rose http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/gradstudies/eurolit/images/rose.jpg Tapestry Roman de la Rose http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/03/hm3_3_2_6a.html The poem "Roman de la Rose" was written by Guillaime de Lorris in c1275. It was a popular poem to illustrate. -----Original Message----- Susan Farmer wrote: >> _http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm_ >> (http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/armourers3.htm) > > If I had to guess, I'd say that was one of the illustrations from > Christine de Pizan's "City of Women." There are other such examples in > that manuscript (like women building a house .....) I wrote a bit earlier that I had found a detail of the image (a close-up of just the lady) in the Medieval Woman Book of Days, attributed to a 14th c. Roman de la Rose. The Roman de la Rose does have a scene in which Dame Nature (an allegorical figure) is described as working at a forge, making new people to replace dead ones. However, the attribution line on the image in the Book of Days was clearly wrong, as this picture was obviously late 15th c. (I posted a link to the actual 14th c. picture, a much earlier rendition of Fortune at the forge.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:36:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JEasp9029175 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:36:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JEajsF006766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JEaF3k035714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEaBve098276; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEa9Hm098211 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so236943wxd.23 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=96h7vGmVRnZ8fSeVBbeehCfBXTjv/SHhXa7Zh3GFVtQ=; b=c2xeq8kCxDB3rpUzHo3pbbrIPLQA2DZvi+2+LV36bD6FKHbsRd0b7AZlDVfcHKIjqT MkYLuXBJtFz+Hrj6eg+3w+TsrNI7SJ8ZNHsTg6igjxK/+xX7kh19i1qkKHNsLZFwzEbB auvZgkW77nTbOB/yBStaHEnJ2B6k856CamTF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jtM2TshSw/mZCImy5HV0JEcvxUjFc/vRYJ6Gp50i7nUj36pgO7UTkEwFnIlQBmO9pd BTfVXzLwOS7AAA4zXRzuy4SPFRvEbfRmZ+DH2Bkt4LLTtpGLtNIYWnE0mqEcxUUBCx1K MZKsjuz4L4Mnropv/hn5k2nzOGz/ULxWeh2u8= Received: by 10.100.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr3336133and.154.1213886168656; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070806190736o35eb188fr9a625234b4b289b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:36:08 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <48591670.1000209@pierocarey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <48591670.1000209@pierocarey.info> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93622ef9-108e-46ac-9170-c7725e51899a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485A6EFE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe the last dress pictures, the one with the pink buttons is in Janet Arnold (Patterns of Fashion vol. I, p.58) Katy On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: > This website got mentioned on another list I subscribe to, and I thought > some of you might like to see it. > > http://www.annegracie.com/writing/costumepage.htm > > I had no idea bodices could be arranged that way! > > Your fascinated, > > Mary Piero Carey > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:43:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JEhfZh029419 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:43:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JEhWQk008182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JEhIZj036434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEhHwX005577; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEhEXL005431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.71]:1773 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K9LLw-0004Vx-Sp for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:43:09 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080619154025.039a0d58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:43:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <3586f5070806190736o35eb188fr9a625234b4b289b0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <48591670.1000209@pierocarey.info> <3586f5070806190736o35eb188fr9a625234b4b289b0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d876b5a-8f11-4680-a901-97f517415dce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485A7094.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:43:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 15:36 19/06/2008, you wrote: >I believe the last dress pictures, the one with the pink buttons is in >Janet Arnold (Patterns of Fashion vol. I, p.58) > >Katy I believe Berrington Hall now contains what was the Snowshill Collection of Charles Wade. This was moved from one National Trust property, Snowshill, to another, which had more suitable premises. It would be wonderful if we could all see all of the collection. Much of it is drawn in "Costume in Detail" by Nancy Bradfield. Just thought y'all would like to know that useless piece of information. And thanks for sharing. Suzi >On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey > wrote: > > This website got mentioned on another list I subscribe to, and I thought > > some of you might like to see it. > > > > http://www.annegracie.com/writing/costumepage.htm > > > > I had no idea bodices could be arranged that way! > > > > Your fascinated, > > > > Mary Piero Carey > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- >Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:50:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JEoRWc029781 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:50:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JEoJx3013767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:50:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JEo3s4037011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEo3Jm012291; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JEo09n012231 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so60013hsz.15 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=I1lyYI1bu26xrUFRrBgHSw2LDO1ooF8r4vWORbWlgRA=; b=cK5Rubb1l/K9E7ofuSuvw02qoM+OjWQYWla1NCbXOT92OLyLfzhfM5WWWf0b6EVQvb gvfY8Fe+Wq+3hW5g2h7BdDvd0904A+SqSB3RpGnHlhD7O29iFCBdi+Ks8QXkVUXlgDnQ JBsxVD6m9ThT10duW8RDiutVvyGtPJJtnu1wE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FL/8RgmYJnFXNyPD+/R+t1UsGSAL1pJNYaLDpMC6G++BTH04Pi/cARssNYXwY78C79 0pi+boCRbnjwV+cMNdBsdMQwjm4SVdqSJPGVsM/q9+8iZRvRSjTZcy7Sp+T/pJUjgnYV G48ZaI1hESjrSnfZ9PSE/uFDoxJ3pQj5AgD0I= Received: by 10.100.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr3354071anb.143.1213887000036; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.46.16 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070806190749w34758b9co3feee520563dd278@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:49:59 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080619154025.039a0d58@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <48591670.1000209@pierocarey.info> <3586f5070806190736o35eb188fr9a625234b4b289b0@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080619154025.039a0d58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d14299dd-96f3-4b16-a3c3-f2f2a15eb28f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485A722B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I want a book on 19th century costume with a combination of actual photos as well as drawings like those in "Costume in Detail." Katy On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 15:36 19/06/2008, you wrote: >> >> I believe the last dress pictures, the one with the pink buttons is in >> Janet Arnold (Patterns of Fashion vol. I, p.58) >> >> Katy > > I believe Berrington Hall now contains what was the Snowshill Collection of > Charles Wade. This was moved from one National Trust property, Snowshill, to > another, which had more suitable premises. It would be wonderful if we could > all see all of the collection. Much of it is drawn in "Costume in Detail" by > Nancy Bradfield. > > Just thought y'all would like to know that useless piece of information. > > And thanks for sharing. > > Suzi > > >> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey >> wrote: >> > This website got mentioned on another list I subscribe to, and I thought >> > some of you might like to see it. >> > >> > http://www.annegracie.com/writing/costumepage.htm >> > >> > I had no idea bodices could be arranged that way! >> > >> > Your fascinated, >> > >> > Mary Piero Carey >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com >> Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 13:55:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JHsx0I005334 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:55:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JHsrJ0025550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:54:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JHsK5m052717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JHsHkx020782; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JHsFD4020745 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so516539fgb.11 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:54:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=M0paIqxO1L2/tUv7NbfcesboFsMeNavGflgz9ufMIGQ=; b=ecAjW/6r92aeeAn+jKlTiSM7FnKeDqNPMqxmjla7vvrGdmzLQX5E4N5oD43FyZM5gW +jSXcegl2If45u2M2iHVDTipAvis9kVUmLm3/7Z4lWs4mGjb0n375/bS/2QCfQmaGqxU KChcpzmMBQw1ZP7eACmcB4KvWzCg+AVbaMPMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=wNztbyfMUg3SeGrCgMJr60CLpOj+oq9zvP8TUz0P7VSq6aXgC29z6YggNI31hPcL6p 7mDOsrI6ro16JzvEDlq6sRF34h6NyFox9rJNqgokF1j7VLDiRYFYOmQ9C23NqtRHfkHD cnzPYxuNN8UY3+oNH8K/SmF/rhXNzegY9Dvcw= Received: by 10.78.81.2 with SMTP id e2mr1186672hub.13.1213898052294; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.195.20 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:54:12 -0400 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b14243d1-d291-4fb2-864e-bee7a048b2cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485A9D6D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone I'm posed to start my pre-pennsic sewing spree (mostly for others as i have jury duty starting july 28th!). My husband has outgrown most of his old garb AND is finally letting me make him something besides dells. Ok, so have I - outgrown my outfits, but that is priority at this point. So he finally decided on just basic t-tunics and pants (but waits until may/june to decide ARGH!), but i have small troubles with t-tunics, hopefully ya'all will be as helpful with t-tunic questions as you are with more complicated questions question 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, which is a bit of a fitting challenge. I have some methods, and i base the basic construction on http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, but i am always having trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that the shoulders are not too big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have to start directly under the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to gracefully manage t-tunics so that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i would be most grateful. I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but a more of a trapazoid, and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, but I assume that ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would be the point, but if you want me to, I can post. questiohn 2) I am looking for trim options. Can anyone point me to their fav pictures of t-tunics in art? question 3) I am looking for pictures of modern sca/recreaters in good looking t-tuincs, can anyone point me to them on the web? I mean good/period looking pictures, not the stupid looking i made my first piece of garb out of some poly thing garb. (my first garb was a skirt and ren fair chimes out of ply so i am not trying to be critical, just that is not of which i am looking for pictures.) Thanks, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 14:09:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JI9jf0005898 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JI9df4031960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JI8mK0054048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JI8mMI039434; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JI8jMB039350 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so690902wra.23 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fpLeSv+fGJHNX9rjdicPD5B0EVizK1hJxcz16MsruRU=; b=nuOFRw1H9zyFtocrTAZCHTzSnHTJtjL1QUtwEMEq8FFDRUuPuEK+JFlcFsh3pIUkIS PPpnyoYr1nBoxDUKrAsAvD8SZ2XyMO2n5WH0hr2y9rJPufNtUXX91Wh9lY81fRdchQuE c6V0UauH6mHmYD9jwIsq83k3LukzFLq5D6HMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=M2F+34DGEqyu2ySXfgTj8YrxiNoYh2Tje87xU+bYdoEBpr8sZWsaKrSYJmG08jT4/w Rc0y3N1Ej9Ff5UJm+cya1BccoBZZccSV0WSDBOHJHQDMPeXNMVKZlShkM1njeqQuIok2 Ox3IMWqDVbMGXeIlZlMPEJXvSH6dkitFlv+ZY= Received: by 10.90.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr2953630agz.64.1213898925257; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.11 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590806191108q45512135u28c778053b242d77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:08:45 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b51a33bb-46ea-4db4-900b-391666e404cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485AA0E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One of the things I've done is make the main panel wider at the hem and narrower at the shoulders (maybe only in the front panel) for the guys with the gut. I liken it to dealing with a pregnant women's belly. You don't necessarily need a wider back, just room in the front. that keeps the gores on the sides the same size and the flow is better. I took this from looking at the diagrams of existent clothing on Marc Carlson's site. alex On 6/19/08, J A Urbik wrote: > > question 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, which is a bit of a fitting > challenge. I have some methods, and i base the basic construction on > http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, but i am always having > trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that the shoulders are not too > big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have to start directly under > the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to gracefully manage t-tunics so > that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i would be most grateful. > I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but a more of a trapazoid, > and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, but I assume that > ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would be the point, but if you > want me to, I can post. > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 14:20:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JIKfjx006337 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JIKXfK011660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JIKJvM054964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JIKJEU053530; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5JIKFQA053387 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95207 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2008 18:20:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=M+I1wJZH/+KaAOQNueLJH3lg+YNkDX+2CLZqBeVZ65LxBnDSxbYm5K3hDLcpNE92DoUm1HNFD1oSNL5LvANgYrQ1etPLyXCKQNYkTnj2z133g2Sv3LNNQAdt0bxDgISpLOOfFvTrkzgo5kpnjqU3t/6U59bp9CT02/Y+whzsiFo=; X-YMail-OSG: eQrv89sVM1loEbs_LtbMWOo4xi6PJzD6xAt5hwvdwulFeSqlIExnoiwFvUui6hd3brInGu_vIXpkPoeyrFg.hjNqn0r1UCun9E3Prp5P2x6BZEbWyNOZmjYM63g- Received: from [68.250.178.50] by web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:20:09 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <949952.75938.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 054528de-1714-4f18-be56-e0efaf98fdfe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485AA371.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I solved the beer belly thing by adapting the Cheesemaker Smock from Folkwear. Basically, the shoulders are fitted to a yoke and the body is pleated into the yoke. That way the shoulder seam didn't end up at his elbows and the fabric didn't strain around the middle. The pattern called for gathering, but I thought it made too much of a balloon effect. So I ended up tapering the body, so the top edge was about six inches smaller than the bottom and I pleated the top into the yoke. It is a little more trouble than a T-tunic, but you don't have to repair the underarm rips quite as often. --- J A Urbik wrote: > Hello everyone > > I'm posed to start my pre-pennsic sewing spree > (mostly for others as i have > jury duty starting july 28th!). My husband has > outgrown most of his old > garb AND is finally letting me make him something > besides dells. Ok, so > have I - outgrown my outfits, but that is priority > at this point. > > So he finally decided on just basic t-tunics and > pants (but waits until > may/june to decide ARGH!), but i have small troubles > with t-tunics, > hopefully ya'all will be as helpful with t-tunic > questions as you are with > more complicated questions > > question 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, > which is a bit of a fitting > challenge. I have some methods, and i base the > basic construction on > http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, > but i am always having > trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that > the shoulders are not too > big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have > to start directly under > the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to > gracefully manage t-tunics so > that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i > would be most grateful. > I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but > a more of a trapazoid, > and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, > but I assume that > ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would > be the point, but if you > want me to, I can post. > > questiohn 2) I am looking for trim options. Can > anyone point me to their > fav pictures of t-tunics in art? > > question 3) I am looking for pictures of modern > sca/recreaters in good > looking t-tuincs, can anyone point me to them on the > web? I mean good/period > looking pictures, not the stupid looking i made my > first piece of garb out > of some poly thing garb. (my first garb was a skirt > and ren fair chimes out > of ply so i am not trying to be critical, just that > is not of which i am > looking for pictures.) > > Thanks, Jordana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 16:15:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JKFqtE011444 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:15:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JKFje1029626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:15:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JKFEDH068288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JKFBWo082385; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JKF8Qn082282 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bf2.2da4e8f1 (41811) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:14:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Does anybody recognise...? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7224f2d-a597-468a-bf1e-99f725f6878e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485ABE71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:15:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A bit of a long shot, but does anybody recognise the below description of a sewing machine? There's a guy on another forum I post to who wants to learn to sew, but he's having problems with working out how the threading mechanism works. "a very old german machine ....it is fully metal less carry case painted grey and has EXZELLENZ written at the top but no numbers on it" If anybody has any ideas / suggestions, ta Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 17:06:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JL6kUt013666 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:06:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JL6fYS011267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JL6KU4072536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JL6Ihd035226; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JL6GGo035185 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so947363fkk.15 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:06:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nIUMiSIJGQ9PtIOZk0W7NpEPFaugDwA3A9aS2qOvIiI=; b=B0++D6Fd/KpQcpHwt5YytrVz67y6NtID8iLQ+naIYYqCryi4iMwQiOUKsk8lT6I9zA bIqE1y2mSxEgPzieHGmRhEj54HT5qz2cS2IcvgOy0PcPxx7zBX85u8RYzk9alPVAgFeY woXZi8A/+oYVLePuJ7bWhYwqKV78sl03rZLP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Ew11GkA1jbYURLttNcGLMHUKTLQcrler2jskYKyC+J3miDgiW1dDR5zHa2VcTsNisN lSGj8K/m8I6fhBtfmjhd+WBfH3cevG116B1M1Be8vi9RDT2bNygquJodbPwIBrdrvf0k 8mGjCuV/MzfQBCfRbc1FzvOHkMWZ3RYsLJ3wU= Received: by 10.78.191.3 with SMTP id o3mr1256988huf.48.1213909571737; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.195.20 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:06:11 -0400 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <870801590806191108q45512135u28c778053b242d77@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <870801590806191108q45512135u28c778053b242d77@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b75c9aec-a566-4d7a-8bf0-19d1eabbdae8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485ACA61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is a great idea! The whole wider at the hem then at the shoulders is what I have been doing, but it had not occurred to me to make the front bigger/wider then back. DUH to me! On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > One of the things I've done is make the main panel wider at the hem > and narrower at the shoulders (maybe only in the front panel) for the > guys with the gut. I liken it to dealing with a pregnant women's > belly. You don't necessarily need a wider back, just room in the > front. that keeps the gores on the sides the same size and the flow is > better. I took this from looking at the diagrams of existent clothing > on Marc Carlson's site. > > alex > > On 6/19/08, J A Urbik wrote: > > > > question 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, which is a bit of a > fitting > > challenge. I have some methods, and i base the basic construction on > > http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, but i am always > having > > trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that the shoulders are not > too > > big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have to start directly > under > > the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to gracefully manage t-tunics so > > that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i would be most > grateful. > > I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but a more of a > trapazoid, > > and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, but I assume that > > ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would be the point, but if > you > > want me to, I can post. > > > > > -- > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's > Friday..." ;) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 17:56:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JLuxHS015978 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:56:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JLurCA028107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JLuERo076014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JLuCpS093234; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JLuABx093201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-147-45-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [24.147.45.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B5F249E3 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <485AD5F7.2070509@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:56:07 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f900d191-149d-4c7c-81a7-2bf9b28688fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 485AD625.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:56:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yep, the average tunic is not made for those of us who are nonskinny! The trapezoidal front and back panels are one good solution. Another is to have side panels (the side gores/godets) which are not pointed, but have a few inches across the top. They would start at the armhole, still, though, and require some finessing with the sleeves. I find this a lot in modern clothing: I am fat, but my shoulders are still size 12; it's things from around my armpit and downwards that are size 22. For float dresses, I order for my shoulders, because the rest will fit! I know this list has had some other suggestions for plump folks and tunics; you might want to try searching the archives. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 18:31:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5JMVUe0017517 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:31:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5JMVP2M009219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:31:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5JMUh1X078447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JMUgtP023491; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5JMUdi7023392 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W47 ([65.55.138.82]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:30:34 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2008 22:30:35.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[176F6660:01C8D25C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anybody recognise...? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d774379-2f27-4400-a747-d50fa32c0eb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485ADE3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are a number of Yahoo group specializing in sewing machine repair - some vintage...I would try there. http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=sewing+machine+repair Sg > From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:14:51 -0400 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Does anybody recognise...? > > > A bit of a long shot, but does anybody recognise the below description of a > sewing machine? > > There's a guy on another forum I post to who wants to learn to sew, but he's > having problems with working out how the threading mechanism works. > > "a very old german machine ....it is fully metal less carry case painted > grey and has EXZELLENZ written at the top but no numbers on it" > > If anybody has any ideas / suggestions, ta > > Debbie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 20:47:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5K0lJrt023162 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:47:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5K0khnl006827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:47:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5K0kIA7086491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5K0kGT5029101; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5K0kDjA029065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:46:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-17-177.desm.qwest.net [75.162.17.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5K0kCtX018015 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:46:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:46:10 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7510/Thu Jun 19 17:29:15 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 399392b6-5cda-459b-bc9d-9cd3188a93cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485AFDF3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi, not at all "useless"! Since my daughter is moving to England next week, I'm hoping to make a trip over myself in the next year. Up-to- date info on museum collections is greatly appreciated. :-) Suzanne [in Iowa but not in the flood plain] On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Suzi Clarke > Date: June 19, 2008 9:43:02 AM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses > > I believe Berrington Hall now contains what was the Snowshill > Collection of Charles Wade. This was moved from one National Trust > property, Snowshill, to another, which had more suitable premises. > It would be wonderful if we could all see all of the collection. > Much of it is drawn in "Costume in Detail" by Nancy Bradfield. > > Just thought y'all would like to know that useless piece of > information. > > And thanks for sharing. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 04:05:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5K85DJ0002011 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:05:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5K850jA020324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5K84ZQv006980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5K84WqM084549; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:04:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5K84S67084504 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.95131864; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:04:15 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m5K84Ai06275.; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:04:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:04:10 +0100 Message-Id: <485B727C02000014000FB920@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:03:56 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Georgian/Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e81cdaa-114b-47c4-9d63-fdea93c306ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485B64AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi wrote... >I believe Berrington Hall now contains what was the Snowshill >Collection of Charles Wade. This was moved from one National Trust >property, Snowshill, to another, which had more suitable premises. It >would be wonderful if we could all see all of the collection. Much of >it is drawn in "Costume in Detail" by Nancy Bradfield. I spend a week in South Shropshire every August and have visited Berrington Hall from there. I too wished that the costume collection was on display. I believe you have to make special arrangements to view it and only on certain days. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 10:22:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5KEM58Z015296 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:22:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5KELxV0010202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5KELbxo026029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KELYP1043645; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5KELUcn043539 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from susang45@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEFZRF2AVHKQSA for (sender ); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: cb/ea7bePhVMh7FNTl3OU9rQdbj8BAMzyRQhyENiVgtuV603+tBgLQ== Received: (from susang45@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NM5ULA2S; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:19:52 PDT Received: from [10.171.11.37] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:19:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [10.171.11.37] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "susang45@juno.com" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:19:34 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080620.101934.12088.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2421199084 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 0d6d00fce945b18d111d3cbd2d0819b83c2c1db84c8d0c3d98a5ed999948 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|susang45@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16cf2c67-da29-4598-90f9-9f643f350b99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485BBD07.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Tunics are every where -did you have a certain time or place in mind? It's easier to get a good result if you are aiming at a specific idea ( Russian , Norman, etc). I wish I could find Tim Nalley's (AKA Mordak) pattern. He has a similar body shape and has solved the issue beautifully. As I recall, one of his tunic patterns has the body piece cut in 3 long rectangles, instead of one. The seam runs vertically (about over the nipples) and gores are placed in these seams. It's very graceful and allows for extra belly space. If you are interested, I'll ask Tim for more costuming information, he's a very good costumer and loves to share. Here are some good patterns, many are based on extant garments St Louis shirt http://heatherrosejones.com/stlouisshirt/index.html The A tunic http://housebarra.com/EP/ep06/14Atunic.html Extant clothing with basic patter shapes http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/bockhome.html Russian tunic with trapezoidal gores http://costume.mashaholl.com/#shirt Russian coat http://genvieve.net/sca/ncoat.html Susan If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? A. Einstein 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, which is a bit of a fitting challenge. I have some methods, and i base the basic construction on http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, but i am always having trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that the shoulders are not too big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have to start directly under the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to gracefully manage t-tunics so that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i would be most grateful. I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but a more of a trapazoid, and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, but I assume that ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would be the point, but if you want me to, I can post. Thanks, Jordana ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iighEHmyfrHhagggbIB1lGIArcmw3DZhOg406vwjNUXBQt6gw/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 15:08:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5KJ8UwQ026718 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:08:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5KJ8MZF010893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:08:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5KJ7n3U052204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KJ7jbC025984; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5KJ7e4a025827 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from devilangel016@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56723 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2008 19:07:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UBkAdmwbKKdeukqb1cmBmLpCKAFfVnKKGfDNDnwEVQIYy2OMX+kRYlQmtwLcSUGUafMUG/75wyOvcPpzN1LTv417pGVidrYkb2KC75PNCSnnFE6loyWqH3WAO2u0p25wJRC0OtOjnohEiKhygPWeDNBN61Sq0bBoXe+7ISkn2C4=; Received: from [137.165.70.249] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:07:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dara fargotstein To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <21777.48387.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcf9091c-8532-4c78-90ea-02ffefd76253 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485C0027.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was in London last year and there was a lovely used bookstore across=A0th= e street from the British Museum. Sadly the only thing I remember about the= name is it started with a Q. But they had a whole section about fashion in= the back next to the Art books. I wish I could be more helpful than that. = ----- Original Message ---- From: "h-costume-request@indra.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:00:01 PM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 236 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to =A0=A0=A0 h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =A0=A0=A0 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =A0=A0=A0 h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at =A0=A0=A0 h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: =A0 1. "Clothing of the Renaissance World" (Suzanne) =A0 2. Re: "Clothing of the Renaissance World" (Bella) =A0 3. Re: Farthingale thoughts (Ann Catelli) =A0 4. London public library (Zuzana Kraemerova) =A0 5. Re: London public library (Suzi Clarke) =A0 6. Re: London public library (Leif og Bjarne Drews) =A0 7. Re: London public library (Suzi Clarke) =A0 8. Re: London public library (Zuzana Kraemerova) =A0 9. Re: London public library (Suzi Clarke) =A0 10. Re: London public library (Zuzana Kraemerova) =A0 11. Re: London public library (Leif og Bjarne Drews) =A0 12. Re: London public library (Suzi Clarke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:13:44 -0500 From: Suzanne Subject: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" To: h-costume Message-ID: <6A133E88-3591-4600-824E-EB74BF42CB3D@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; delsp=3Dyes; format=3Dflowed FYI, Amazon.com is taking pre-orders for the new book about=A0 = Vecellio's costume book, "The clothing of the Renaissance world:=A0 = Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas; Cesare Vecellio's Habiti Antichi=A0 = et Moderni" by Margaret F. Rosenthal & Ann Rosalind Jones (Thames &=A0 = Hudson, 2008) ISBN 978-0500514269.=A0 *Only* $91.25!=A0 ;-) Suzanne = ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <333164.50008.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ---- From: Suzanne Subject: [h-cost] "Clothing of the Renaissance World" FYI, Amazon.com is taking pre-orders for the new book about? = Vecellio's costume book, "The clothing of the Renaissance world:? = Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas; Cesare Vecellio's Habiti Antichi? = et Moderni" by Margaret F. Rosenthal & Ann Rosalind Jones (Thames &? = Hudson, 2008) ISBN 978-0500514269.? *Only* $91.25!? ;-) Suzanne<<<<< Whoa! Thank goodness I pre-ordered it a while back when it was listed at $7= 8.75! ? ? Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net = =A0 =A0 =A0 Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email addres= s. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <911188.38238.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii I was interpreting her as wearing trousers, actually, though the size of th= e webbed picture makes any firm conclusions on her outfit premature. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 6/12/08, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > = > > http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=3D15099 = > = > = > ********************** >=A0 = >=A0 = > Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with > the horizontal lines on her skirt, but no hoops? =A0 =A0 =A0 = ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] London public library To: h-costume Message-ID: <795077.66680.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Hi, I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to some libra= ry or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read about at amazon or o= n this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot of things, maybe some books= that are hard to get or some second hand costume books (any good shops?). = I just want to see the books to make myself a list what to buy later, as I = am a poor student:-DD Is there any large public library or a library where most of the costume bo= oks are to be found? Thanks for any tips, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz = =A0 =A0 =A0 = ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:10:53 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614100342.0394d268@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed At 09:16 14/06/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to = >some library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read = >about at amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot = >of things, maybe some books that are hard to get or some second hand = >costume books (any good shops?). I just want to see the books to = >make myself a list what to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD > >Is there any large public library or a library where most of the = >costume books are to be found? > >Thanks for any tips, > >Zuzana Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find = second hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells = costume books for certain is R.D. Franks, = (http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a specialist fashion trade = book shop, so there is a lot of modern tailoring/fashion student = orientated content. (I was disappointed when I went last.) As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each area = of London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be lucky. Sorry not to be more helpful. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:26:32 +0200 From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000801c8ce11$80f5fdf0$b514a150@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; =A0=A0=A0 reply-type=3Dresponse What about Waterstones? I got a lot there last time i were in London. As i = recall it its in a street next to Oxford Street? I got both costume related and embroidery related books there, and i thoagh= t = they had a nice collection. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library > At 09:16 14/06/2008, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to some = >>library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read about at = >>amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot of things, = >>maybe some books that are hard to get or some second hand costume books = >>(any good shops?). I just want to see the books to make myself a list wha= t = >>to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD >> >>Is there any large public library or a library where most of the costume = >>books are to be found? >> >>Thanks for any tips, >> >>Zuzana > > Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find second = > hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells costume books = > for certain is R.D. Franks, (http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a = > specialist fashion trade book shop, so there is a lot of modern = > tailoring/fashion student orientated content. (I was disappointed when I = > went last.) > > As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each area of = > London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be lucky. > > Sorry not to be more helpful. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > = ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:00:18 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614125927.03938058@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed At 12:26 14/06/2008, you wrote: >What about Waterstones? I got a lot there last time i were in = >London. As i recall it its in a street next to Oxford Street? >I got both costume related and embroidery related books there, and i = >thoaght they had a nice collection. That always depends on the stocking policy of the manager - sometimes = you get lucky - I haven't!! Suzi >Bjarne >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:10 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library > > >>At 09:16 14/06/2008, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to = >>>some library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read = >>>about at amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a = >>>lot of things, maybe some books that are hard to get or some = >>>second hand costume books (any good shops?). I just want to see = >>>the books to make myself a list what to buy later, as I am a poor studen= t:-DD >>> >>>Is there any large public library or a library where most of the = >>>costume books are to be found? >>> >>>Thanks for any tips, >>> >>>Zuzana >> >>Although I live in London I have absolutely no idea where to find = >>second hand books, except on line. The only book shop that sells = >>costume books for certain is R.D. Franks, = >>(http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a specialist fashion = >>trade book shop, so there is a lot of modern tailoring/fashion = >>student orientated content. (I was disappointed when I went last.) >> >>As for public libraries, again, I have absolutely no idea - each = >>area of London has several local libraries, and you may or may not be luc= ky. >> >>Sorry not to be more helpful. >> >>Suzi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <865388.16739.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Well, last time I was in London I had just one day=A0 - Saturday, and the R= .D.Franks bookshop was not open and then I was probably late to get to the = largest London bookshop on Piccadilly:-( All other bookshops I visited (Cha= ring Cross rd etc.) had only a small collection of costume books. The best = place to buy such books was the V&A museum shop. But I thought there must b= e another place with many costume books? There should be at least one large= r library, or art-oriented library... We have one central library in Prague= where you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one i= n London, too? Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz = =A0 =A0 =A0 = ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:32:59 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614133114.03965980@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed At 13:11 14/06/2008, you wrote: >Well, last time I was in London I had just one day=A0 - Saturday, and = >the R.D.Franks bookshop was not open and then I was probably late to = >get to the largest London bookshop on Piccadilly:-( All other = >bookshops I visited (Charing Cross rd etc.) had only a small = >collection of costume books. The best place to buy such books was = >the V&A museum shop. But I thought there must be another place with = >many costume books? There should be at least one larger library, or = >art-oriented library... We have one central library in Prague where = >you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one = >in London, too? > >Zuzana Not that I know of, and I have lived in London since 1971. And I'm = told that my personal library is better than most of the colleges' = libraries - and they teach costume! Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <540712.15159.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Ha! I found the V&A museum has a library or what - The national Art library? I'm searching the catalogue and it seems they have most books I'd like to l= ook at. They say it's situated in the V&A museum...I hope they would let me in:-) Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz = =A0 =A0 =A0 = ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:42:51 +0200 From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <001001c8ce2c$ed5606a0$0ee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; =A0=A0=A0 reply-type=3Doriginal If you have the time, you could take the train down to Bath. The museum of Costume, Bath has a large museum shop, packed with all kinds = of costume related books. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] London public library > Hi, > > I'll be visiting London in August and I hope I'll finally get to some = > library or bookshop to look at all the books I've only read about at = > amazon or on this list. I don't really expect to buy a lot of things, = > maybe some books that are hard to get or some second hand costume books = > (any good shops?). I just want to see the books to make myself a list wha= t = > to buy later, as I am a poor student:-DD > > Is there any large public library or a library where most of the costume = > books are to be found? > > Thanks for any tips, > > Zuzana > > > > > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > = ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:09:52 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080614160728.0395ce88@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed At 14:51 14/06/2008, you wrote: >Ha! I found the V&A museum has a library or what - The national Art librar= y? >I'm searching the catalogue and it seems they have most books I'd = >like to look at. >They say it's situated in the V&A museum...I hope they would let me in:-) > >Zuzana It used to be such a pain getting a reader's ticket that I forgot = about it. Haven't used it for 25 years, so I hope it has changed for = the better. You used to have to wait such ages to get the books you = wanted too, I never thought of checking out books I wanted to buy. Suzi ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 236 ***************************************** = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 16:32:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5KKWZWi029936 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:32:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5KKWSmw006853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:32:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5KKVnY2058447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KKVl5v006971; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KKViLT006926 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1409155fkk.15 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IsBUCiYWNWLDVUwYDCUH7Kv5nHLkH/MhTjs4YZ43lEo=; b=QH1xEThW54p2xM7xTkebAAUWy+9QLCQxPNDfNqGQikc+ZOR/FFORvMBe5zjYeUSuEa bud2iDKLvEutjqNwa7Pu9u6el7xCEogmSckLWmw9jNyt5xTsxAS4DpBLZ0TAHdSnXVWX Namp4fQ5iFrAILKoFaUj1OnRnci8pPPXgjgI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D6ay/6Y5tjV/DjEaf9E/LnFkuIeFyxpnOU/5DtCjROmuBSDuUQ9s6EJFPtqbVEsucE c7yK7LYTDl1gePoJUm6kSyAO8MyOSQ4vJYsFv9DWM3JyEH7trMr+uc0prrqofTOnZvXM T0wBFtAMDuhNcXQJgC/ONRTtqlPf8E9eLo0P4= Received: by 10.78.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr1767097hud.70.1213993902762; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.195.20 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:31:41 -0400 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20080620.101934.12088.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080620.101934.12088.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics -help fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45b98b28-bf75-467a-b2a3-4a2d4a4a8fe1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485C13DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:32:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO susang45, I'd love the infromation if you could ask Tim. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:19 AM, susang45@juno.com wrote: > Tunics are every where -did you have a certain time or place in mind? It's > easier to get a good result if you are aiming at a specific idea ( Russian , > Norman, etc). I wish I could find Tim Nalley's (AKA Mordak) pattern. He has > a similar body shape and has solved the issue beautifully. As I recall, one > of his tunic patterns has the body piece cut in 3 long rectangles, instead > of one. The seam runs vertically (about over the nipples) and gores are > placed in these seams. It's very graceful and allows for extra belly space. > If you are interested, I'll ask Tim for more costuming information, he's a > very good costumer and loves to share. > > Here are some good patterns, many are based on extant garments > St Louis shirt > http://heatherrosejones.com/stlouisshirt/index.html > The A tunic > http://housebarra.com/EP/ep06/14Atunic.html > Extant clothing with basic patter shapes > http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/bockhome.html > Russian tunic with trapezoidal gores > http://costume.mashaholl.com/#shirt > Russian coat > http://genvieve.net/sca/ncoat.html > > Susan > > If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? A. > Einstein > > > 1) Hubby has grown quite a beer belly, which is a bit of a fitting > challenge. I have some methods, and i base the basic construction on > http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html, but i am always having > trouble dealing with how to adjust the fit so that the shoulders are not > too > big, yet the belly drapes ok, and the gores do have to start directly under > the arms. if anyone has pointers on how to gracefully manage t-tunics so > that they look nice and fit all parts of the body, i would be most > grateful. > I end up not making the main tunic a rectangle, but a more of a trapazoid, > and if i need to i can making a drawing and post it, but I assume that > ya'all have better methods then i do, so what would be the point, but if > you > want me to, I can post. > > > > Thanks, Jordana > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for great computer networking solutions! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iighEHmyfrHhagggbIB1lGIArcmw3DZhOg406vwjNUXBQt6gw/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 17:02:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5KL2vtW031382 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:02:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5KL2r3P023531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5KL2ZKp060632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KL2YRG036042; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.america.net (qsmtp2.america.net [69.60.160.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5KL2WMw035982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200806202102.m5KL2WMw035982@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp2.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K9nkc-0006Gw-UQ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:02:31 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:00:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <21777.48387.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21777.48387.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98331109-104f-4b1a-adfe-c8466d41cd4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485C1AFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:02:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hey beautiful, I don't know if you are planning you trip yet, but they started this conversation on the H-Cost list and these two posts looked interesting. Hope all is well Maggie At 02:07 PM 6/20/2008, they wrote: I was in London last year and there was a lovely used bookstore across the street from the British Museum. Sadly the only thing I remember about the name is it started with a Q. But they had a whole section about fashion in the back next to the Art books. I wish I could be more helpful than that. >The only book shop that sells >costume books for certain is R.D. Franks, >(http://www.rdfranks.co.uk/) and they are a specialist fashion trade >book shop, so there is a lot of modern tailoring/fashion student >orientated content. (I was disappointed when I went last.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 21:08:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5L18CgV010565 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5L186hu000625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:08:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5L17eQC086718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5L17bOJ031098; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.america.net (qsmtp2.america.net [69.60.160.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5L17Yqu031067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200806210107.m5L17Yqu031067@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp2.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K9rZm-0005ZZ-0T for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:07:34 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:07:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <200806202102.m5KL2WMw035982@net.indra.com> References: <21777.48387.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200806202102.m5KL2WMw035982@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 929ae8d0-ca3c-4de8-919b-a3d720df1af3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485C5476.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d99f455-2406-4de4-b49c-047eedc90349 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485E8A5F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:22:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No idea, not my machine, as said. In a message dated 21/06/2008 19:02:05 GMT Standard Time, _h-costume-request@indra.com_ (mailto:h-costume-request@indra.com) writes: That is not enough info. :) What does the presser foot look like, tall, pointing up and slender like a finger, pointing sideways, or flat like a table? What kind of cabinet is it in? How is it powered? ? Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 22 13:23:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5MHNgKv009237 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:23:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5MHNadT019860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:23:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5MHNKuJ002364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MHNKpO033493; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MHNHlM033412 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bc5.2799ecce (39954) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:23:05 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] London public library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb610b73-70c7-406a-8a21-ff221087387d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485E8A98.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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However, knowing it's there and getting a reading card are two entirely different matters :o) In a message dated 21/06/2008 19:02:05 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: We have one central library in Prague where you can find almost any Czech book, so I thought there will be one in London, too? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 22 14:57:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5MIvigt012766 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:57:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5MIvcDF026511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:57:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5MIvLS1007217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MIvJtJ091636; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19o2+zU2yKO9qJCTG5jBuItaHQrI2oYAWk@mail44.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MIvG84091607 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5MIvFXJ020714 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:57:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 18570 invoked by uid 80); 22 Jun 2008 18:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 22 Jun 2008 18:57:15 -0000 Message-ID: <485EA08A.6040304@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:57:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9aea0570-d6d8-465a-9ea1-9756b68a1ff1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 485EA0A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 22 17:03:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ML3mfa017445 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:03:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ML3hl4016670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:03:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ML3HJR013892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ML3FuO075382; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ML3CNs075289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.101]:2433 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KAWiI-0002Pc-Li for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:03:07 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080622220004.039c6e68@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:02:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <485EA08A.6040304@netherton.net> References: <485EA08A.6040304@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df809921-4546-4ed0-9155-d1321ed0909f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485EBE2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:03:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:57 22/06/2008, you wrote: >Do we have any listmembers around Bakewell (England)? > >Or perhaps someone has a good photo of the effigy of George Vernon >and his two wives at All Saints' Church? One of my authors needs to >confirm a costume detail of the wives' headdress that we think is >misrepresented in a book. (Yes, between us we've already been all >over the 'net and in multiple volumes on church monuments.) > >Thanks... > >--Robin Have you tried contacting the Tudor Tailor people, Ninya Mikhaila and Jane - something-Davis? They have been photographing and annotating effigies in churches. There is a web site online with their currently published pictures, of which I do not have a record, unfortunately. However, they may also have unpublished documentation. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 22 19:31:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5MNVopU022658 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:31:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5MNVh1C005745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:31:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5MNVMdx021279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MNVKfm069359; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MNVHRT069319 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A02695703FE; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:28:38 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: <006e01c8d4c0$0bd75590$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjGSSxohfu04fH+QzOUOAgWQpMraAOdtUBA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 22 21:24:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5N1Otl2028225 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:24:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5N1Onmm008446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:24:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5N1OOfo026739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5N1OLaK033167; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5N1OJ9U033153 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so8132950rvb.11 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=Hs6wsY9o1kb3iCdSpO2rBDZMRfDgS7a8xWbRDteJt9M=; b=rUbHF36W5mw7AdEFQQKNxQUwc9xzlg7Lp+6I7zKGKWBhJPnh/nyuAlPdwrpUjIuxbb pchG3mp0b9wHknp+F7CcQvnOfkQiboM9Mfpu8gBKs8zTJGeHmseU40DTeZf9VhBithxM pEqMMWt2+yOVbs/dqZoS0n8TEa45hPcgdj5OE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=CGq0RKWTLY99T2HYEoyvslqa+azit2FDlEGBTd6ZnHbdSTkx+fbym70d50jogoL09T 4NnvX7ILPM6937ImSoCl2J6wbsUCXB3DEgna/FSMkogOZSkatXDKXiZ8M06IR8Zw75Ce NJNmagwsreJWiIXdjBEh96HRtvSGpu6HRdrt8= Received: by 10.140.188.10 with SMTP id l10mr11803030rvf.6.1214184259424; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6603292ywn.0.2008.06.22.18.24.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <006e01c8d4c0$0bd75590$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <006e01c8d4c0$0bd75590$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:24:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjGSSxohfu04fH+QzOUOAgWQpMraAOdtUBAAAOoKNA= Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <485efb42.060ec00a.4361.ffffdbab@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83c56c1a-2be5-4120-87b6-a764b14f7278 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 485EFB61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 23 Jun 2008 04:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <485F2B17.9090702@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:48:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <485EA08A.6040304@netherton.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080622220004.039c6e68@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080622220004.039c6e68@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6150d5d9-a036-44bf-b744-5cf7962eb2d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 485F2B32.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 19:57 22/06/2008, you wrote: >> Do we have any listmembers around Bakewell (England)? >> >> Or perhaps someone has a good photo of the effigy of George Vernon and >> his two wives at All Saints' Church? One of my authors needs to >> confirm a costume detail of the wives' headdress that we think is >> misrepresented in a book. (Yes, between us we've already been all over >> the 'net and in multiple volumes on church monuments.) > Have you tried contacting the Tudor Tailor people, Ninya Mikhaila and > Jane - something-Davis? They have been photographing and annotating > effigies in churches. There is a web site online with their currently > published pictures, of which I do not have a record, unfortunately. > However, they may also have unpublished documentation. Thanks, but I believe my author has already checked with them. I'll verify. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 03:01:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5N71fFA029275 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:01:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5N71am2031584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:01:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5N70R0W040102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5N70Qvk022414; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5N70Lir022315 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 81533 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2008 07:00:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _IZLzhwVM1nPvjQZ7IMjJI5ZTKnPqReMJRkTU8wF98qGUmF46o_uxXlSVvYEc3usMF5LeUX_TZif9XG050p1OZ42NxjKWnmr4rjvWGKbSsjwl9w19ejW76TX7t8- Received: from [76.237.199.194] by web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:00:16 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <122996.80369.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] London bookstores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d18d9af-92b1-4578-999d-f9db46a4da20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485F4A50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:01:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've never been to London (sigh), but I used to buy books from Foyle's bookshop-pre-internet and pre-weak dollar. I don't think I bought any costuming books from them, but I notice that they are called the largest bookshop in London, so I'd assume they must have several costume books. BTW, it was also pre-decimal coinage for England, which gives you an idea of how long ago it was. I checked just to make sure they were still in business. Carol Chicagoland Costumer's Guild www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 08:16:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5NCGm6g013586 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:16:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5NCGhX7019169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5NCGSuF053959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5NCGQg4024260; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5NCGO2p024159 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hNzi1Z0051HzFnQ5104z00; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:16:18 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hQGH1Z00L0CKaGd3aQGHEy; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:16:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jLKD01O1whQA:10 a=wqNj8lxuj7cA:10 a=ewVIz1MbXyKnftpOFzsA:9 a=vpl3t3Ufn_Knu8c2bJDEFUJV18sA:4 a=NCZrz-t1md4A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=pt045V2O6wwA:10 Message-ID: <00e301c8d52a$d9459d60$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <028901c8c649$5b15b280$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <006e01c8d4c0$0bd75590$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35e938bf-497b-48d7-a3d8-c5cad7755437 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 485F942B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Are you still interested in old patterns? Sharon Collier Yes. Email me privately, goofy4@comcast.net Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 20:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O03eLZ024112 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O03Y6M027777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O037CJ014074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O031dA077289; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O02vOb077221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from Susanlaptopras (host-188-114.dsl-sea.seanet.com [64.38.188.114]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00E526BAE1 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> From: "Susan C" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7bd653f-0bc0-4165-a51c-7519ab647e9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486039D6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, A non-profit sailing place I frequent had an old industrial pfaff sewing machine donated. They can't figure out how to get it to work as the upper thread isn't catching the bobbin thread. I took a look at it and think that the upper thread isn't getting low enough to catch the bobbin thread. I'm not sure how to fix this. I did tell them to check the needle, but the needles in the drawer were the right ones for the machine. Any advise where I can get more help? I did find that the pfaff has a bunch of manuals up, but I didn't see a model number on the machine (but I may have been looking at the wrong spot). And this is an old one and I am not sure their manuals go back that far. I'd love to get them up and running with this as then they may let me use it from time to time ;-) thanks, Susan in Seattle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:13:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O1DXfL026340 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:13:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O1DRij003436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:13:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O1D85b019777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O1D6w1027499; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5O1D3h5027403 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wolfonwear@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60237 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2008 01:12:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XexkK47Q4FjbEIZ2tCZE7R/DBZ0iFwMb8gKi/DQhbc6ijwbWgX4j53rIMP0s1OUoSprNj1aEp9RJ/lbN1mSMSBKwEkGRolXmkHlmSrkU5W5epOSZpqpLSYw0/Qbr3gNjqh8SOvLOx+ka8Q1lpSWukZ8YiLxm59NlKwwNvttW1wA=; X-YMail-OSG: EFufMfEVM1mgSgvYYrjwOv7wgzwOip5eLUu9l1n.sBbfNUQg7nwsRKuINFBupsNDfQ4BDs8iR0d6BMlbyGNPB9lpcXJDswbVSqlm2puzbeo.1tTZ00cCQ9af95nBVKyjdKqzJp8IFd0hsi8AWg1zDYuf Received: from [99.140.141.21] by web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:12:57 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Powell To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <485efb42.060ec00a.4361.ffffdbab@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <153382.60153.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40dd7c5e-a562-489f-ba55-a36dd7c94288 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48604A37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:13:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am still interested also Chiara Francesca wrote: I for one am. Been do= ing pattern grading research so any left over's would be greatly appreciate= d after you all are done using them. :) =E2=99=AB Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On B= ehalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are you still interested in old patterns? Sharon Collier = -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are they still available? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. = Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:19:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O1JkFo026643 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:19:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O1JfAW006143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O1JPj1020103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O1JP6Y032355; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5O1JMsG032238 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 12063 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 01:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.23.201) by smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.182) with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 01:19:16 -0000 Message-Id: From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:19:16 -0400 References: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2284791e-9243-47a4-b01c-ed525da600b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48604BAD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:19:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO First thing - try turning the needle around. If it is in backwards (as is common) it could be the problem. I've seen several "broken" machines where that turned out to be the only problem. -Megan On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Susan C wrote: > Hi, A non-profit sailing place I frequent had an old industrial > pfaff sewing machine donated. They can't figure out how to get it to > work as the upper thread isn't catching the bobbin thread. I took a > look at it and think that the upper thread isn't getting low enough > to catch the bobbin thread. I'm not sure how to fix this. I did tell > them to check the needle, but the needles in the drawer were the > right ones for the machine. > > Any advise where I can get more help? I did find that the pfaff has > a bunch of manuals up, but I didn't see a model number on the > machine (but I may have been looking at the wrong spot). And this > is an old one and I am not sure their manuals go back that far. > > I'd love to get them up and running with this as then they may let > me use it from time to time ;-) > > thanks, Susan in Seattle > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:24:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O1O1tv026769 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:24:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O1Nund029719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:23:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O1NgUb020342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O1Ng7t036343; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O1Ncv6036202 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-214.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-214.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.214]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O1NW98027309 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:23:32 -0700 References: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8343aeb4-7633-4221-bcc3-70a8e4620985 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48604CAC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Megan wrote: > First thing - try turning the needle around. If it is in backwards > (as is common) it could be the problem. I've seen several "broken" > machines where that turned out to be the only problem. ...or sideways; most industrial machines I've used are "round-shank" needle systems, so it's not difficult to mis-align a needle. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 22:50:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O2oZ5P029719 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:50:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O2oULe026959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:50:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O2o4Z3025464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O2o3Va001656; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O2nx67001524 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m5O2npgc018667 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:49:53 GMT Message-ID: <001c01c8d5a4$fb774670$82dbda46@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:49:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New Victorian patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad99d4c9-3211-40a9-8984-61a0b795772b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486060F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! I would like to announce that I have three new patterns on my website. All three come in sizes 2 - 30. You can see them at: http://www.mantua-maker.com/new_victorian_patterns.html The first is an overskirt called the Camargo Sash Bustle Drapery, for the years 1868 - 1888. The second is a bodice named the Mystic Mine Basque, for the years 1875 - 1890. The third is the You Bet Bodice, for the years 1870 - 1890. Also, I have reworked my 1825 - 1830 Daydress so that it includes all sizes from 2 - 30 in the same pattern. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 23:00:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O30YWd030080 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:00:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O30S9l005763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:00:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O30AbC026018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O30ALH008448; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O307Zx008410 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A29A24A400C4; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:57:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <485efb42.060ec00a.4361.ffffdbab@mx.google.com> <153382.60153.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c8d5a6$65faecd0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjVly/fNd1KCjgSSwy+cKFpd4pS/AADyfbQ In-Reply-To: <153382.60153.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 092239fa-b2e4-4055-aa0a-163c001a041b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4860634C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What kind are you looking for? Sharon = -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robert Powell Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home I am still interested also Chiara Francesca wrote: I for one am. Been doing pattern grading research so any left over's would be greatly appreciated after you all are done using them. :) =E2=99=AB Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are you still interested in old patterns? Sharon Collier = -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are they still available? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG. = Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:16 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 03:15:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O7FtUv030937 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:15:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O7Foc6024406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O7FNBp037656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O7FJWE078951; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O7FFOl078873 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925E17324A for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:15:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from CPE-58-168-208-132.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-58-168-208-132.vic.bigpond.net.au [58.168.208.132]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:15:13 +1000 Message-ID: <1214291713.48609f019d932@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:15:13 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfafc74c-4bc5-4770-a5b8-b8b8abdd56fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48609F26.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:15:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try turning the needle 90, 180 then 270 degrees, often a needle will be in wrong way around and will often not pick up due to this (and were all the needles in the drawer the right ones?). Is the correct size bobbin in place? Is the bobbin case in good repair? Is the tension all okay? You may find that the mechanism in the underside of the head (the machine is called the head in the table, there are horizontal rods running along the length of the underside that turn the bobbin case. Are they working? If they are working, they may not be aligned correctly. Loosen the bobbin case on these rods (a few screws just beside it)and shift it around a fraction of an inch. Keep trying this until things work (you cannot do harm by this). These are a few simple things to try out. Of course, if you cannot get it working, old machines make handy anchors! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 04:07:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5O87UwP004366 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5O87NTa014324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5O87CIn039783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O87Cca012144; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5O878tB012078 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.96356662; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:06:41 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m5O86eY06937.; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:06:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:06:40 +0100 Message-Id: <4860B91602000014000FD103@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:06:30 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cbda169-8efb-4962-982f-e5111a2a03bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4860AB3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm probably the nearest, in Derby, but Bakewell's at the other end of the county and I'm not expecting to be making a trip up there in the foreseeable future. I'll have a look in the local history section here in the library and see if there are any photos. Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:57:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton Subject: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <485EA08A.6040304@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do we have any listmembers around Bakewell (England)? Or perhaps someone has a good photo of the effigy of George Vernon and his two wives at All Saints' Church? One of my authors needs to confirm a costume detail of the wives' headdress that we think is misrepresented in a book. (Yes, between us we've already been all over the 'net and in multiple volumes on church monuments.) Thanks... --Robin Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 11:10:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5OFAoxT021100 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5OFAilh013736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5OFANCN063910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFAKBH062784; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys23.mail.msu.edu (sys23.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFAHt5062728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys23.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.63 #1) id 1KBA9x-0001Qg-Cj for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:17 -0400 From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Linen Bias Tape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fc290ca-416e-47a9-b207-69a1264fa66a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48610E74.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone have a source for linen bias tape? I have absolutely no patience for making my own bias tape and I'd like some for a linen shirt I plan to make for my husband. I found a 50/50 linen/cotton blend tape here: http://www.superbuzzy.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83_85&produ cts_id=3158 Anyone used it? Should I pre-wash it as I pre-wash the fabric so that it's pre-shrunk? Many thanks! -Helena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 11:23:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5OFNsc8021836 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:23:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5OFNmFE020017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:23:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5OFNWMB065098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFNWYX078737; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19kjm2J4MbwVo/C78sfeuwTJ+kG0vWpzXM@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFNT9c078660 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1h.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.186]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5OFNSd6021712 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:23:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 10750 invoked by uid 80); 24 Jun 2008 15:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.182 with ESMTPA; 24 Jun 2008 15:23:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48611170.3040706@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:23:28 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4860B91602000014000FD103@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4860B91602000014000FD103@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking contact near Bakewell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 967e1372-b85b-4202-818c-442ead66ec98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48611184.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:23:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > I'm probably the nearest, in Derby, but Bakewell's at the other end of the county and I'm not expecting to be making a trip up there in the foreseeable future. I'll have a look in the local history section here in the library and see if there are any photos. Kate's research did the trick for us! No need for any more responses. (And many thanks to Kate for stepping up.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 11:57:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5OFv0D2024023 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:57:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5OFusOc013919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5OFufHe068144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFufW7018396; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFubbB018240 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hnmf1Z0010xGWP8510Gz00; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:32 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hrwC1Z00B3RY8jw3YrwCGS; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=_5JjDWixAAAA:8 a=2hKH935PAAAA:8 a=8wK3OUM_AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=Ld71oOVe49lF3E-2J6oA:9 a=PqNV_DMpsMmBR7u6uiAA:7 a=xMG8Tav86XYTrfi0r3IS1wj3sMsA:4 a=9OHTkwyHC8cA:10 a=zuKoXThWIw_o258cb6cA:9 a=UTSbiUSYAHQ7DNDQ42sA:7 a=DBq2QHI1AdJW3Js8NPhCbmArjkUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:12 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:12 +0000 Message-Id: <062420081556.4447.4861191C0004ED340000115F22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Bias Tape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 546b884a-556d-48e8-8357-a914fb87c1b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48611946.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Depending on what you're doing, you may want straight-grain tape rather than bias. In which case there are several sources: http://wmboothdraper.com/TapeLace/tapelace.htm#Linen is my current favorite. These guys also carry it: http://woodedhamlet.com/tapes_braids/dutch_linentape.html There may be others -- try a google search on "sutlers", especially 18th century. It's sort of a staple of 18th C garment construction. I've never seen a bias tape in linen. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Martha Oser" > Anyone have a source for linen bias tape? I have absolutely no patience for > making my own bias tape and I'd like some for a linen shirt I plan to make > for my husband. > > I found a 50/50 linen/cotton blend tape here: > > http://www.superbuzzy.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83_85&produ > cts_id=3158 > > Anyone used it? Should I pre-wash it as I pre-wash the fabric so that it's > pre-shrunk? > > Many thanks! > > -Helena > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 13:01:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5OH1nVF028816 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:01:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5OH1Lf4027033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:01:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5OH0IfS073928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OH0G7S096139; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OH0CIP095930 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from Talia ([76.92.155.83]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080624170005.ITOG18182.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@Talia> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:00:05 +0000 From: "KHanson" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:00:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <062420081556.4447.4861191C0004ED340000115F22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Bias Tape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 516ceb35-a47d-48ec-997b-1082c6517be9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48612861.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try these for 100% linen bias tape: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=12509306 http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=12672894 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of lauren.walker@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Bias Tape Depending on what you're doing, you may want straight-grain tape rather than bias. In which case there are several sources: http://wmboothdraper.com/TapeLace/tapelace.htm#Linen is my current favorite. These guys also carry it: http://woodedhamlet.com/tapes_braids/dutch_linentape.html There may be others -- try a google search on "sutlers", especially 18th century. It's sort of a staple of 18th C garment construction. I've never seen a bias tape in linen. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Martha Oser" > Anyone have a source for linen bias tape? I have absolutely no patience for > making my own bias tape and I'd like some for a linen shirt I plan to make > for my husband. > > I found a 50/50 linen/cotton blend tape here: > > http://www.superbuzzy.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83_85&produ > cts_id=3158 > > Anyone used it? Should I pre-wash it as I pre-wash the fabric so that it's > pre-shrunk? > > Many thanks! > > -Helena > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1514 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:17 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 16:46:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5OKkEv7006921 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:46:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5OKk86s009463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5OKjTAO093930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OKjOIX041674; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OKjLrP041602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DCFB4D3F60; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 Received: from Crerar (dsl-v45-216-110-230-143.wightman.ca [216.110.230.143]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8776ED3EF7 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:45:14 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <004601c8d63b$3471b1e0$9d5515a0$@ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjWJIUVGq7qlLuVRn2LdzzSWVmb5gAFkLNQ Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {60487415-1162-41A0-9DFE-B8F1C4602422} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: 59Y= AGwT AKIz CNDX CW7m DV7y DlTJ FwPx Fx8b F4Vj G4Xs HG9w H/Z6 IHuf JdOE J/qW; 1; aAAtAGMAbwBzAHQAdQBtAGUAQABpAG4AZAByAGEALgBjAG8AbQA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {60487415-1162-41A0-9DFE-B8F1C4602422}; bABnAHMAdABlAHAAaABAAHcAaQBnAGgAdABtAGEAbgAuAGMAYQA=; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:45:12 GMT; UgBFADoAIABOAGUAdwAgAFYAaQBjAHQAbwByAGkAYQBuACAAcABhAHQAdABlAHIAbgBzAA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Victorian patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31485b5f-d09b-4026-beb9-751f5eee48ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48615D10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, Deb, they look like great additions to your pattern line! What was the inspiration for the You Bet Bodice and the Mystic Mine Bodice? BTW, so pleased to see you here! I know the costumers here are going to be all over your wealth of knowledge and your patterns. :-) Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry publisher of=A0 books by Lorina Stephens purveyor of quality custom shower doors by Gary Stephens Now Available: Shadow Song, by Lorina Stephens =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 Recipes of a Dumb Housewife,=A0by=A0Lorina=A0Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org - http://5riversnews.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 19:32:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5ONWGIN012496 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:32:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5ONWBRQ016983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:32:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5ONVouf007580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5ONVmdr094870; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5ONVkFm094786 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wolfonwear@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1724 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2008 23:31:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5SbNUzLOMf914H8RayisnxRu6mnpUH4JrQWqcNuX+gphFVcBFX03DkqIFFMLrkDSUJxIvTQ3t4SL3EH7+vddU/REnGINATcbfKH/tJX8nNKVRNJaFJl+cR+U+Z4NxZbYo9PRSqdqqoX72Sv+QQMg/vHxsa9ipq4pavqDt3X377M=; X-YMail-OSG: uWjCZpwVM1kM_KhWZfDytauZujUvd8gJ_CVCe1IwYzVxqmXcK54wgLBS Received: from [99.145.128.199] by web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:31:40 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Powell To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005f01c8d5a6$65faecd0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <657474.1666.qm@web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2f62cf8-b7d3-4ed1-a31d-9eae57606438 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486183FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:32:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a collection of vintage patterns so any would be a great addition. = thanks in advance. Robert Sharon Collier wrote: What kind are you looking for? Sharon = -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robert Powell Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home I am still interested also Chiara Francesca wrote: I for one am. Been doing pattern grading research so any left over's would be greatly appreciated after you all are done using them. :) =E2=99=AB Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are you still interested in old patterns? Sharon Collier = -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns - free to good home Are they still available? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG. = Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:16 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 03:20:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5P7KApt027204 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5P7K2Z9002774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5P7JbC8031955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5P7JXJk004711; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5P7JUk8004670 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KBPHs11gJ-0003j0; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:19:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18QebonLMEEz8bicnkPJKgrLThWVm7BuYlLmUB WtGwJQGAh3at0UPizMU64GMHnejMcEsC7xBpkoGpmeX55sF4NZ Z4wKsrqh0w06UWptMFOHw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edd93c67-07bb-427a-8635-8f8a40f4afc9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4861F1A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:20:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know the subject header looks funny! Tonight I watched Jesus Christ Superstar, On Demand. During JC's visit to Herod, two men with blonde wigs in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white Speedos. I am not sure but there may have been ties at the hips, which could have been women's bikini bottoms. Were Speedos that small in 1973 for men? If not, when did men's Speedos become bikini sized? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 04:09:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5P89j7E001004 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:09:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5P89ecq029427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:09:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5P89QTl034272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5P89QtU037613; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5P89Na7037507 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12556 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2008 08:09:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1OgBeM3mph8e+1rBLDoda+asgsN2lKRvKkpv9P38fgXWE/uoWlQTWll4s1/WBoD7LdhNPq7sNeU0kiLO4EM+8SnhaFo39u+qdu8h/+p9IXZYYdIfu5kMklwFFLT7oCID//TxxK3TFMqYtilyMqPfRWOL6kRRGBh+8Ron7TSO2Ok=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:09:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8d58d$b1794940$f524fea9@Susanlaptopras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <583891.11318.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 653ab69f-ac01-42b0-9c88-fd1b6f7a7a5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4861FD44.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd probably know what is the trouble, I'd say the bobbin is in the wrong position. This happens if the thread stucks in the machine and you move the bobbin here and there to get the thread out. Especially Pfaff is very sensitive to this - if you force too much, the bobbin will move permanently. This is done on purpose, as otherwise you'd damage a little tooth wheel in the machine. To repair this, you have to take the machine to parts to get to the inside, unscrew certain components and move the bobbin. You have to know how the exact position of the bobbin and needle should be. It's a work of tenths of millimeters. I have a diagram as how it should be, but it would be very difficult to explain. I think it will be safer to go to a sewing machine service or get a professional that repairs them. Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Susan C wrote: From: Susan C Subject: [h-cost] old pfaff industrial To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 2:03 AM Hi, A non-profit sailing place I frequent had an old industrial pfaff sewing machine donated. They can't figure out how to get it to work as the upper thread isn't catching the bobbin thread. I took a look at it and think that the upper thread isn't getting low enough to catch the bobbin thread. I'm not sure how to fix this. I did tell them to check the needle, but the needles in the drawer were the right ones for the machine. Any advise where I can get more help? I did find that the pfaff has a bunch of manuals up, but I didn't see a model number on the machine (but I may have been looking at the wrong spot). And this is an old one and I am not sure their manuals go back that far. I'd love to get them up and running with this as then they may let me use it from time to time ;-) thanks, Susan in Seattle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 07:55:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PBthSe004046 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:55:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PBtYie019667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PBt4Bf044705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PBt1Zr096287; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:55:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PBsxIj096171 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.146]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080625115738.CAKP20419.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:54:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 253fa8b2-06f2-42c0-bb95-57e8c7617c8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48623236.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I remember too many Canadian men wandering around in tiny Speedos as they wended their way south to Old Orchard Beach in the '70's. Thank you for reminding me of this bewildering childhood memory! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos >I know the subject header looks funny! Tonight I watched Jesus Christ >Superstar, On Demand. During JC's visit to Herod, two men with blonde wigs >in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white Speedos. I am not >sure but there may have been ties at the hips, which could have been >women's bikini bottoms. Were Speedos that small in 1973 for men? If not, >when did men's Speedos become bikini sized? > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 08:08:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PC8Job006485 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:08:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PC8BFH028251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PC7rnO045658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PC7rj0008330; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PC7o5h008291 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB6173416 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:07:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-116.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-116.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.116]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:07:50 +1000 Message-ID: <1214395670.4862351648178@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:07:50 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b51792e3-9524-40d2-854a-ee52d4372d97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4862352B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:08:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh (he said with eyes watering), they were that tight back then. Also, Jockey had a pair of underwear with little more than the elastic strap at the hip...could it have been that? -C. > I know the subject header looks funny! Tonight I watched Jesus Christ > Superstar, On Demand. During JC's visit to Herod, two men with blonde wigs > in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white Speedos. I am not > sure but there may have been ties at the hips, which could have been women's > bikini bottoms. Were Speedos that small in 1973 for men? If not, when did > men's Speedos become bikini sized? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 08:11:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PCBPAs006839 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PCBFfN006761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PCB3bu045888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PCB3bD011136; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PCB0wH011089 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D571AD0816 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:10:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-116.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-116.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.116]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:11:01 +1000 Message-ID: <1214395861.486235d5b6abc@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:11:01 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Speedos by name X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 900e555f-9692-4548-a8dd-8cedee144acc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486235E3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am not ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 09:15:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PDExmT011120 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:15:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PDEYXE012843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PDE1Zg049581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PDE0EE066298; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PDDusP066157 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d65.2810bfc4 (14502) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:13:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7f57094-fbf3-4bb1-917f-66deafd60390 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486244BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Interestingly, the costume designer of "JC Superstar" is Yvonne Blake, I believe. She designed one of the BEST costume extravaganzas of the 70's: "Three Musketeers" [and of course "Four Musketeers" too.... since they were conceived as one film during filming]. Y'know, the one with Michael York, and Raquel Welch and...everybody else in Hollywood. Still the best telling of the story and the best costumes for it to date. [Raquel refused to wear a corset with a busk, so her gowns were designed by someone else, but even though her construction and silhouette are not great, the designs themselves are not terrible.] Geraldine Chaplin wears one of those daisy petal collars in one scene and it doesn't look foolish at all. How did they do THAT? The Ball scene is all white and silver, and the scene at the end of the 1st film, where d'Artagnan becomes a musketeer is all in black and gold. Just fantastically beautiful. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 09:34:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PDYcpG011912 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PDYV5E029095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PDYFZ8051126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PDYFmA085877; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/qq/CI5Y38Dcv0OmzU42ChFNhWVRNVej4@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PDYCKo085829 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m5PDYBKk001759 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 28623 invoked by uid 80); 25 Jun 2008 13:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@76.210.182.199) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 25 Jun 2008 13:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:34:11 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24b632d8-54d4-472d-b356-510dfa5307dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48624968.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, the costume designer of "JC Superstar" is Yvonne Blake, I > believe. She designed one of the BEST costume extravaganzas of the 70's: "Three > Musketeers" ... She's done a lot of good work. I first noticed her name on "Robin and Marian," which had far better costume for "medieval" style than most films I've seen before or since. Interestingly, I first saw that movie as a double feature with "Nicholas and Alexandra" -- another of Blake's works. I just looked her up on IMDB and was surprised to see just how many films she's done, and how broad a range: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0086762/ --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:12:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PEC5s3013481 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:12:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PEBxBj018633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEBlfv054286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEBlZX024428; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEBj7X024388 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.16] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1723939342 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:11:45 -0500 Message-ID: <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:11:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4988fe08-482a-4882-a7ab-ac1fce725fa9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4862522F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, and make in more than one size. What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a smaller size was simple. Suggestions? Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:23:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PENZAc013918 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:23:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PENP3B027516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEMw5U055264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEMvMY035784; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEMsm7035725 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080625142252.OPCQ24549.fep52.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:52 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.195]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080625142252.WRLE24741.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:52 +0200 Message-ID: <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.195] at Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:52 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e232e2-19b3-4073-9d6d-9f09eabe54e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486254DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I always trace the thin patterns to brown wrapping paper, it holds a lot better and it wont fade away so easy. All the patterns i use frequently are made of brown wrapping paper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] preserving patterns >I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, >and make in more than one size. > > What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? > In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* > simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a > smaller size was simple. > > Suggestions? > > Denise > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:35:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PEZkMc014384 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:35:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PEZceG011642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:35:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEYpai056329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEYpb3048826; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEYlt2048763 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B1A758074 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Thread-Index: AcjWlN/m/KUbARBtTWGFhzG5XvdsRwAPArwg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bda21e38-6173-48e4-b16a-2549954d87ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486257BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm generally a lurker, but I can chime in here from personal experience. I was on a swim team as a kid and it was actually around that time -- and yes, the speedos (which have earned a bad rap due to their abuse!) were always small! They were also baggy in those pre-lycra days. Now -- were they that tiny? Probably not for competitive swimming, but if you look at yummy Mark Spitz in 1976 you can see some small speedos. Did Rudi Gernreich have anything to do with the tiny male swimsuit, I wonder? I know he did women's things and perhaps some of the things were gender neutral. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:19 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos I know the subject header looks funny! Tonight I watched Jesus Christ Superstar, On Demand. During JC's visit to Herod, two men with blonde wigs in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white Speedos. I am not sure but there may have been ties at the hips, which could have been women's bikini bottoms. Were Speedos that small in 1973 for men? If not, when did men's Speedos become bikini sized? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:43:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PEh1ov014760 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:43:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PEgqvU008090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEgbm7057324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEgaTw057282; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEgYhn057221 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.16] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1737573047 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: <03a301c8d6d1$ba391070$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net><039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:42:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9e5354e-f217-42b4-ad3e-958e488f673f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4862596C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I always trace the thin patterns to brown wrapping paper, it holds a lot >better and it wont fade away so easy. All the patterns i use frequently are >made of brown wrapping paper. > That is similar to what I am doing now. I have separated the pieces, but not cut them closely. Then I tape each piece to a large window. Then tape large paper (similar, but thicker than newspaper) over the piece and trace only the size I want this time. It's taking me a long time! :-) And I will have to do it all again when I need a different size. There are 8 sizes on these pieces, so in some places it gets kind of confusing, esp. since the print on the pattern itself is very faint. Thanks Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PEr7mo015199 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PEr1jc026279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEqhvq058339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEqh9e068197; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEqeAb068020 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.44]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:52:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:52:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:52:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2008 14:52:35.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AA5DBE0:01C8D6D3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51b22287-400e-4ff4-8907-d007a205beaa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48625BCD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I use either sturdy clear plastic drop sheets (the sort painters use, very inexpensive) or I go to the dollar store and get clear shower curtains or tablecloth protectors. I just spread out the pattern on the table or floor, throw the plastic over top and trace with a sharpie marker. Even the thin window plastic works pretty well, if a bit clingy due to static. So far the only trouble I have had is when cutting out black fabric - I couldn't see my lines. :0) Sheridan P >From: "Land of Oz" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] preserving patterns >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:11:54 -0500 > >I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, >and make in more than one size. > >What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? In >the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* simple >children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a smaller size >was simple. > >Suggestions? > >Denise > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:56:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PEuX35015422 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:56:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PEuPbQ016942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:56:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PEpBuI058199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEpBHj066329; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PEp8HD066186 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D141310EA for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:51:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48626957.8060400@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:50:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c771d74c-43f6-4598-81d5-95017bd598c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48625C99.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:56:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Land of Oz wrote: > I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several > times, and make in more than one size. > > What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? I cut the largest size I will use and iron onto fusible interfacing. Or I trace the size I want (and make any changes to the pattern) onto new tissue and iron that on fusible. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 11:04:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PF4QfF015842 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:04:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PF4GEb024774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:04:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PF415P059590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF41dM081536; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF3vuK081350 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c78.35004892 (42808) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:03:46 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16897c0f-d1e5-4a43-bad7-d98e609fc56e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48625E70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:04:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My method, which is not always successful, is to trim the pattern to the outer-most line and then fold over the larger sizes, clipping where necessary on curves. If a piece is really confusing, I'll trace it onto paper, either computer paper if it's small, freezer paper, or brown wrapping paper. I don't like using commercial patterns - the sizes don't match me. Last year, I needed to make a couple of modern formals for a convention and went bonkers trying to remember how to put in a zipper! (Yes, it had been that long!) Catherine In a message dated 6/25/2008 10:23:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, and make in more than one size. What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a smaller size was simple. Suggestions? Denise **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 11:07:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PF7jT3015991 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:07:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PF7WxG005672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:07:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PF1EDJ059336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF1CG8078395; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF17Av078294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.191] (core-dc-2-191.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m5PF0o0s032351 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:00:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <8915E46D-4AE9-4AA9-B349-95F1FEFE34F2@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:00:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?windows-1252?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84384b23-08b1-427b-a9a7-8a71ffa5c632 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48625F35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:07:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them >> intact? In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those >> were *very* simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the >> cutting line for a smaller size was simple. I rarely use commercial patterns; usually I would draft them out of a book onto paper. My favorite paper source: If anyone is near a large printing plant, call and ask if they print on web presses, and if so wold they give you a butt roll? When a web press is running, they switch from one roll of paper to the next without stopping. This means there is some paper left on the old roll. For our use it's a huge amount, about half to an inch thick on a 4" core. Printers recycle these rolls as waste, but if you ask nicely they will give you one. Don't get newsprint, because it degrades. You want white uncoated or matte finish so you can write on it easily. Of course, you can't be too fussy with free stuff, but also they could look out for the type of paper you need and save it for you. It helps to bring cookies or brownies to the person who helps you. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 11:33:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PFXegH017482 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:33:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PFXZQD014598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PF1Y3i059359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF1YLu078795; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PF1Ac5078264 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:00:42 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m5PF0ga61207 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:00:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 25 Jun 2008 10:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:00:41 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <48621745.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23559aca-6337-4f59-a822-46c8e49401ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4862654F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:33:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, the costume designer of "JC Superstar" is Yvonne Blake, I > believe. She designed one of the BEST costume extravaganzas of the 70's: "Three > Musketeers" ... She's done a lot of good work. I first noticed her name on "Robin and Marian," which had far better costume for "medieval" style than most films I've seen before or since. Interestingly, I first saw that movie as a double feature with "Nicholas and Alexandra" -- another of Blake's works. I just looked her up on IMDB and was surprised to see just how many films she's done, and how broad a range: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0086762/ --Robin **************************************** Oooo, and she did Flesh and Blood! Another historic costume goody. I love the footsy-under-the-table scene :). Thanks for the link Robin. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 12:18:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PGIFH5019276 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:18:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PGIAd3025983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:18:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PGHhUC066745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PGHfWk087047; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw2.mccc.edu (pptgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PGHbdo086719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw2.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5PAk6Ft004053 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:46:06 -0700 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K31009MW195BB70@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kate Pinner To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:17:28 -0400 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Thread-index: AcjWzXBAutmN0kLZRJWdZ3f7LXOXiQAETs2w X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5324 signatures=415185 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f2173e0-07d1-48fd-ad0a-1f61510fc652 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48626FC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:18:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I trace the various sizes onto that gridded nonwoven stuff and then cut them out. I use the tracings and save the original. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] preserving patterns I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, and make in more than one size. What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a smaller size was simple. Suggestions? Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 13:25:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PHPblP022279 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:25:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PHPS6X012239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:25:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PHOuru072946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PHOsB0032354; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PHOpo9032188 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iF2g1Z00L0cQ2SLA90Bn00; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:24:46 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iHQc1Z0063kY7qX8WHQlj9; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:24:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M8B5059epNMBA2xR9UwA:9 a=XxKyBF2TlA_ojMdk64kMPw3kdfgA:4 a=rCbS6JjwtmAA:10 Message-ID: <48627F52.20101@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:24:34 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JC Superstar and Speedos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74b07bc0-a0fc-4787-a1bf-405bd4abfd32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48627F89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > During JC's visit to Herod, two men with blonde wigs in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white Speedos. I am not sure but there may have been ties at the hips, which could have been women's bikini bottoms. They were women's bikini bottoms. The whole chorus in that scene was in bad drag. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 14:14:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PIEDJG024160 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:14:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PIE5o5008801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:14:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PIDXfZ077587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PIDRiW090459; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PIDMTr090317 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1214395861.486235d5b6abc@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Speedos by name Thread-Index: AcjWvJ/bMamPeS5SQ8+lsnPH+t59qAAMlZww References: <003d01c8d693$cade9320$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <1214395861.486235d5b6abc@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speedos by name X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55bfab9b-3ada-492a-b82e-65c978741aac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48628AED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of > stilskin@netspace.net.au > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:11 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Speedos by name > > Oh yeah, in Australia we call them budgie smugglers, > > > in the chorus were wearing what appears to be tiny white > Speedos. I've been giggling all day at that one....thanks for sharing it!! Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Exhibitions and Collections Manager Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 14:37:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PIbMZ6025063 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:37:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PIb9mE005609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:37:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PIaKpU079472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PIaJpT021723; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:36:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PIaGq8021652 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so2760448wra.23 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CjKfID6WN1FdfQrt68KRwRstNnSfACzXNv+GA/EvSlI=; b=EMZgrlZvEPmkNJJIPxEYrtDtxmSQ7CKzzmRa7bGG9lgnSNVKyXgvq8+yt8K038qv5x nTBt1et49//8xLjl5+wF/PWPuWjIU1E68Eky1XoiyUoMoVnRzPEEh2yuP1qSWhvbXMHg EQr0w5Rr1PRjCfQIU9lrv5Ig7Y3a+qqcaz7bI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IrJFDYwiaWYtYkiYX/sq7DpE57vMdUvjPTXpkicaHgdWoRGrOSos8dfPoo7cgelR8u L8Slh6rnjnj27MXQDjykdD+EA3rsAlDERZRNk47XrUr+Oka8es4vGPUbtF4BPIy1jRvV WRiyejMI9/RzI3/lKrYZjxBT6fWLlnW3Jtc9E= Received: by 10.90.74.7 with SMTP id w7mr14041430aga.45.1214418975958; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.102.17 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0806251136r32e3ccc1jc5d64e8d0b22a905@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:36:15 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <03a301c8d6d1$ba391070$10a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <03a301c8d6d1$ba391070$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9565e181-cb52-4fac-8782-194f1da4fae8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48629055.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:37:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > the size I want this time. It's taking me a long time! :-) It doesn't work for stiff white paper patterns, but for tissue paper patterns, you can lay your pattern on a stiffer paper and trace right through the tissue with a sharpie marker... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 14:58:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PIw4Xv025952 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:58:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PIvsN3009884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PIvYXu081132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PIvYx4044039; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5PIvUvn043900 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 17550 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2008 18:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:23 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8d6fd$b4234760$8e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjWvJOvh/2Jnw1eT52WFxQgnRWSpwAQNWCw In-Reply-To: <1214395861.486235d5b6abc@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speedos by name X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a585ae7-e3bd-4e5e-afa3-08a8dd0c6967 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48629532.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:57:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Subject: [h-cost] Speedos by name Oh yeah, in Australia we call them budgie smugglers, -C. Oh, mercy. You made me spit iced tea on my keyboard with that.... Liadain Still laughing and picturing little birdie feet poking out THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 16:05:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PK5BwS028876 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:05:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PK55st020719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PK4f0S086554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PK4dnT012312; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PK4bsm012289 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1249078wah.3 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9xosLFKwVNMoPBP225vJwjYgXqCJPhHsuiE2Du3L24o=; b=WKrFaJiwilxyMBw9CrgwGlMR1KqBFFb4RYZtgakzNYy0F4J1BkBIT/S10a+W1QHf/y 2aN607KYdcDj1MBKmwMKvmNnx0sNCIFx+mRIlXmLKJsO5IYt9qeBRREOhQ1pm7+wU7eM 1AaQ+c69+I75rS/+addI/pBtIhpHaKQ5YsSlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=S5iEL0JWSYbHMdGk3j8iTcPNgJexQ+k1fiRE74mmWlX3ks/3uf5GWpgGiIbmQQsf0A fi4dlUeJBLt/NM2PS2wUdpnU2YDQyCj3JEl9ZjbNzIkXt7Nt1FtLJcKigf4fJC/ApzKW lj1Tf2cR+9W00jYiIZc+Eu7gPUtkMt3ccTKf0= Received: by 10.115.19.16 with SMTP id w16mr6385742wai.102.1214424277341; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.209.13 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:37 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8915E46D-4AE9-4AA9-B349-95F1FEFE34F2@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <48624953.2080503@netherton.net> <039a01c8d6cd$6c6ea750$10a73743@denise8541f2db> <003301c8d6ce$f2cedf30$c3e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <8915E46D-4AE9-4AA9-B349-95F1FEFE34F2@patriot.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?windows-1252?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfcaf139-b3d6-48fc-8db9-9649064c6846 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4862A4F1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Carol Kocian wrote: > >>> What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact? >>> In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *very* simple >>> children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for a smaller size >>> was simple. > > > I rarely use commercial patterns; usually I would draft them out of a > book onto paper. > > My favorite paper source: If anyone is near a large printing plant, call > and ask if they print on web presses, and if so wold they give you a butt > roll? > My favorite pattern paper is Christmas gift wrap. Not just any old gift wrap but the glossy stuff you can usually only get at Christmas. The back side takes a marker beautifully and it's sturdy enough to use over and over. Also, it's just more fun. :) MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~Coming in July from Popinjay Press A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603: Elizabethan commonplaces for writers, actors, & re-enactors ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 17:03:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5PL3iiS031487 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5PL3Zv8003483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5PL2TI8092188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PL2SIj077096; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5PL2Pg5076986 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W21 ([64.4.19.121]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.87.150.219] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:02:20 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2008 21:02:21.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[C252A1B0:01C8D706] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?windows-1252?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30066bd4-7a38-4cd7-a874-56643ff044a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4862B2A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It is slig= htly translucent and easy to work with. = = > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:37 -0700> From: maggiros@gmail.com> To: h-co= stume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns =97 paper> > On = Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Carol Kocian wrote:> >>= >>> What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intac= t?> >>> In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those were *ver= y* simple> >>> children's play clothes, and eyeballing the cutting line for= a smaller size> >>> was simple.> >> >> > I rarely use commercial patterns;= usually I would draft them out of a> > book onto paper.> >> > My favorite = paper source: If anyone is near a large printing plant, call> > and ask if = they print on web presses, and if so wold they give you a butt> > roll?> >>= > My favorite pattern paper is Christmas gift wrap. Not just any old> gift= wrap but the glossy stuff you can usually only get at Christmas.> The back= side takes a marker beautifully and it's sturdy enough to use> over and ov= er. Also, it's just more fun. :)> > MaggiRos> -- > Maggie Secara> ~Coming i= n July from Popinjay Press> A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603:> El= izabethan commonplaces for writers, actors, & re-enactors> ISBN: 978-0-9818= 401-0-9> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing= list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-c= ostume _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:23:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I trace out the pattern on muslin and put any marks that I may need on it. It also saves time in the long run because you won't need to do any pinning when you lay the pattern out on fabric. Carol Kocian wrote: >> What is your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them >> intact? In the past, I have fused the tissue to muslin, but those >> were *very* simple children's play clothes, and eyeballing the >> cutting line for a smaller size was simple. I rarely use commercial patterns; usually I would draft them out of a book onto paper. My favorite paper source: If anyone is near a large printing plant, call and ask if they print on web presses, and if so wold they give you a butt roll? When a web press is running, they switch from one roll of paper to the next without stopping. This means there is some paper left on the old roll. For our use it's a huge amount, about half to an inch thick on a 4" core. Printers recycle these rolls as waste, but if you ask nicely they will give you one. Don't get newsprint, because it degrades. You want white uncoated or matte finish so you can write on it easily. Of course, you can't be too fussy with free stuff, but also they could look out for the type of paper you need and save it for you. It helps to bring cookies or brownies to the person who helps you. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 21:45:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5Q1jui2010680 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:45:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5Q1joH9006272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5Q1iegx009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5Q1iedm099106; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5Q1iara099011 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr14a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.172]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K31005KARHY6SE0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.208] (Forwarded-For: 12.147.209.130, [10.240.3.208]) by mstr14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:44:22 +0000 (GMT) From: monicaspence@optonline.net In-reply-to: <000201c8d6fd$b4234760$8e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <1214395861.486235d5b6abc@webmail.netspace.net.au> <000201c8d6fd$b4234760$8e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speedos by name X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ca98c66-4b9d-41de-995c-40f5ed76dbf8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4862F4CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As a former swimwear designer (including the Spedo-like briefs) I am laughing myself silly. Thanks! Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank A Thallas Jr Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speedos by name To: 'Historical Costume' > > Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au > Subject: [h-cost] Speedos by name > > Oh yeah, in Australia we call them budgie smugglers, > > -C. > > > Oh, mercy. You made me spit iced tea on my keyboard with that.... > > Liadain > Still laughing and picturing little birdie feet poking out > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 00:11:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5Q4BS7o015789 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:11:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5Q4BNCT004820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:11:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5Q4AQwl018162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5Q4AOiq090003; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5Q4ALEJ089886 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=ZlwLGXEcvOvpY7mLyCFZZBqltFCT9YAyL2/de70hCa/Y4R4YAnOBFtCg1hAN6X6G; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KBioI-0008C8-22 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:10:14 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080625223255.05eceaa0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:38:28 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53b9304a7c94e3279c7008bceed738e6bfa18d4952a2ad6049350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 062a4ac0-5315-4141-8454-7a8a14dffdb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486316EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:11:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We use drafting/tracing paper. It's 36" wide, so = many pattern pieces fit on one width. It's = really transparent, erasable, and pretty = durable. It gets a bit brittle after about 5 = years but not too much. We used to get it at = Office Depot, but we now get it at our = university's bookstore - with the supplies for = the architecture students. (Which is also a = source for good pencils, erasers, and various curves and templates....) Sandy At 04:02 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: > > I totally agree with the Christmas paper. = > You can sometimes find it with grid patterns on = > the back side. I usually just use my tracing = > wheel & the tracing paper for sewing, = > especially when the paper is multi sized on = > heavy paper. A little more expensive but very = > well worth it if you plan to use the pattern = > several times is artist velum or erasable = > velum. It is slightly translucent and easy to work with. > >From: maggiros@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: = >[h-cost] preserving patterns =97 paper> > On Wed, = >Jun 25, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Carol Kocian = > wrote:> >> >>> What is = >your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact?> "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 05:42:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5Q9gt8M002709 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:42:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5Q9glBL003975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:42:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5Q9ffnL030933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5Q9fcGw094605; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5Q9fYgo094489 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200806260941.m5Q9fYgo094489@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Jun 2008 09:41:28 -0000 Received: from p548E7677.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.118.119] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2008 11:41:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WDvIox+4WynxDdFpTnyFeqntnkX1Gbt9RS7sCFC Owx44RdvQVQU+V X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:41:33 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080625223255.05eceaa0@pop.radiks.net> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20080625223255.05eceaa0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e5d4bfd-722c-485b-9f07-c512ee79c1ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48636497.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I want to buy a roll of florist=B4s wrapping paper = for pattern making. It=B4s sheer enough for = tracing, sort of stiff and sturdy and it is thin = so that patterns can be stored folded. However, = they sell only very big rolls and I can=B4t decide on a color yet... Hanna At 05:38 26.06.2008, you wrote: >We use drafting/tracing paper. It's 36" wide, = >so many pattern pieces fit on one width. It's = >really transparent, erasable, and pretty = >durable. It gets a bit brittle after about 5 = >years but not too much. We used to get it at = >Office Depot, but we now get it at our = >university's bookstore - with the supplies for = >the architecture students. (Which is also a = >source for good pencils, erasers, and various curves and templates....) > >Sandy > >At 04:02 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: >> >> I totally agree with the Christmas paper. = >> You can sometimes find it with grid patterns = >> on the back side. I usually just use my = >> tracing wheel & the tracing paper for sewing, = >> especially when the paper is multi sized on = >> heavy paper. A little more expensive but very = >> well worth it if you plan to use the pattern = >> several times is artist velum or erasable = >> velum. It is slightly translucent and easy to work with. >> >>From: maggiros@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: = >>[h-cost] preserving patterns =97 paper> > On Wed, = >>Jun 25, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Carol Kocian = >> wrote:> >> >>> What is = >>your favorite method of preserving patterns to keep them intact?> > >"Those Who Fail To Learn History >Are Doomed to Repeat It; >Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- >Why They Are Simply Doomed. > >Achemdro'hm >"The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > >Andromeda > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 12:54:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QGsXqL011524 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QGsJ4e020286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QGqTHd081849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QGqQDg043863; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com (qb-out-1314.google.com [72.14.204.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QGqNpt043805 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e19so427777qba.26 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=0PSANwSjfZ3RCDJuCFRNNIbt91EQQjvzQ9CmLYpRDMc=; b=h7v0jgzn2ImpYCBl6moTnIusrNcA+vNwQi+UDHgVN4MThV4+At51y82of0kHG/Xazt /ofi7OAQd7FyvwDrffifx1+mts823GJoI/PrAx1KqocrjTEAd0HUxJfkqe8hwy6jlF/m uL8+avjniQqxYUAZQoCOPRW2vcX0yjlhspuaA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YwKy/K5dXqJXs4Yfcl+7iDAbJuMDHPyCvFq1AqCj+cehVgXkJ5cP0cRYaUwW9X4yT/ vTuNwSgD8nO6iB9V+eYyf6UaJQERh+d4E5S3qRLEpmeQXNAZmVZneQnY4T758HEtf7FM epeLCnRybvpCinEjBJS+msNhOJO6uVZqWa0F4= Received: by 10.114.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr185001wab.126.1214499142543; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.209.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:22 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] A compendium of Elizabethan knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 869bc7d3-3d27-4c17-94de-f098d6ec673b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4863C9BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Posted with Kass's approval, since costume has to have context! June 26, 2008 (Los Angeles, CA) Did you know that the first shopping mall was opened in London in 1571? That in 16th century England, gifts were given on New Year's Day but not on Christmas? That beer could be flavored with anything from pepper to lupins? All this and more can be found in Maggie Secara's A COMPENDIUM OF COMMON KNOWLEDGE 1558-1603 (210 pps, trade paperback, $19.95) The Compendium website at www.elizabethan.org has long been the go-to website for authors, students, actors, re-enactors, and Elizabethan enthusiasts of all kinds. Now in paperback from Popinjay Press, anyone can have the Compendium on hand wherever they go! The Compendium, as web fans already know, is a series of snapshots of daily life in the court and countryside of Shakespeare and Good Queen Bess, written for the everyday reader. Painstakingly researched and illustrated from period sources, each page dishes up details about food, language, games, and gossip, as well as the work, weddings, and beliefs of more than 400 years ago. There's a detailed index to make it especially easy to use, plus notes on the sources so you can find out more. This new paperback version even features a bonus chapter on persona building that's perfect for guildmasters and authors both. What can you do with the COMPENDIUM in paperback that you can't do online? - Make notes in the margins - Read it in bed - Take it to workshops - Stash it in the tourney box - Write a book report - Give extra copies as gifts - And best of all=97you can use it even when the computer is down! Author Maggie Secara is a technical writer by trade, with a Master's degree from CSU Northridge. She is the author/editor of other Web publications including the Trial of the Earls of Essex and Southampton. She has at various times been a Highland gentlewoman, a Landsknecht campfrau, and the Countess of Southampton, and is currently editing a 1595 household book. ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html PayPal only (account not required) Maggie Secara ~Available NOW from Popinjay Press A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 13:18:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QHIDUG012707 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QHI2f8017371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QHHc33083999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QHHcUQ071739; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QHHae1071698 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so73976yxb.71 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Y8xenz27WBKVM7Cp5rqRRSgZuxQHjzk5JOdU9tRH+Gg=; b=meVcSwCcfE6CXPe1zg1VR31Nbm8kv3vaBUvbviodo52/LPcgY4F5+cMPgo5yVAgcCS CBfk2vyOKNuf2WcTn8NBOQ7Rjt3VQ+BHurLS/Qlw3DkkODyHHErhC+KAWf+uIIsgMM+W HJmuPtEYc/aTnHntDHuXIjnCjDNIkLdEx+5nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=neNQI6LWmP/MaLmpxZSwRULFYH0hrFOj8j6gwVP/qlHyefdZiNddzieG60+TS7pz2G 5nc2Qd3bNVynMog65Bd4N4FfNgwFSgng8qWD7R1r3hToWyomIYW1BZNZAavDVmpi1Ueq 6w9svZQ+I/JLBYOvLjS3D9u/es1IHp1lVl1/M= Received: by 10.114.158.1 with SMTP id g1mr237645wae.111.1214500652608; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.107.10 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0806261017n1bdf113dvb46a3fdb297bdca5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:17:32 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A compendium of Elizabethan knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b0dd2ed-a74c-46dd-9bd5-5683731a4291 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4863CF4B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maggie! Congratulations on getting The Compendium published. I know that it has been a warehouse of information for me over the past 20 years - even before it went online. I plan to order a paperback copy right away! Lynn On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Maggie wrote: > Posted with Kass's approval, since costume has to have context! > > > June 26, 2008 (Los Angeles, CA) Did you know that the first shopping > mall was opened in London in 1571? That in 16th century England, gifts > were given on New Year's Day but not on Christmas? That beer could be > flavored with anything from pepper to lupins? All this and more can be > found in Maggie Secara's A COMPENDIUM OF COMMON KNOWLEDGE 1558-1603 > (210 pps, trade paperback, $19.95) > > The Compendium website at www.elizabethan.org has long been the go-to > website for authors, students, actors, re-enactors, and Elizabethan > enthusiasts of all kinds. Now in paperback from Popinjay Press, anyone > can have the Compendium on hand wherever they go! > > > ISBN: 978-0-9818401-0-9 > http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html > PayPal only (account not required) > > Maggie Secara > ~Available NOW from Popinjay Press > A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 13:40:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QHerxr013718 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QHej9N002403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QHeRQa085990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QHeQJY097251; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QHeNRk097192 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 8so651477agc.3 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6VEaVlq5TYiVJmNP+d2jbY7uFLvOhTnuCMd56f9HxUQ=; b=RduUttn3Ss8XTsduyYSjgMmrhp7qLKcMxbmMSGyryQmX+B+5I8Wro56YSdxCa+mI9b 8nIvTISvwQivDPEz/ICLx0+Nla/3Iot085f+MAH4yBDtL/tscRH8ZSWOmKSudpN+fL7+ V2XXTwhtMZsONLwFUm4VS5NXDigjr44Ws6TAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XEjk4KfiMyEpfTWftl0ezYAAKqrKY1paBhmPON3YxN4vkwMVp9PDo0PzI1f+FCToHx Er90MrYzShjaFzYAL5EBaJN0AKcGV31J9ZQ5x4NfZp8BJSrpCOPyp3GbNn9JSwOR4ips c2DeUMkN6mmQzWdU4AyXmfFSi2DdRMrhbB+Do= Received: by 10.101.67.15 with SMTP id u15mr235633ank.136.1214502022950; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:40:22 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A compendium of Elizabethan knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bd1a7b2-a8a0-46b7-ac74-fe368d106b9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4863D49D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Maggie wrote: > Posted with Kass's approval, since costume has to have context! > Whoops! Due to a little confusion of tags in gmail, this went to H-Costume where Kass's approval is only as good as everyone else's. But I meant to share with you all anyway, so there it is. Sorry for the mix up! MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 15:01:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QJ1hCR018347 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:01:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QJ1WNp031298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:01:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QJ16sP093204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QJ14vT087172; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5QJ10KE087014 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82509 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2008 19:00:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ntEAYlwPUmlNNEz5RpuyZxn6qJP+nwckbxjz1rrO6d8X2sqWZYGiujiAM75/OSCnOo294zby/C1/P/jXGIpNWg8y0JuYSLILdpAs7LXBamnvJxENVPYaqCrasYsQuBCDYhE/+NkSeqgfG/MDo3q4SJHdc0TUjI2o6Z8PbaqI8TA=; Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:00:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <431840.80930.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] preserving patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fd777f4-860a-4206-8ad2-1727daa59aaf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4863E78C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:01:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What I understand that folks do (or used to do, before computerization?) in industrial settings is to trace the pattern onto tag board. But you'd need a tag board set for each size. They last for ages, though. Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Land of Oz To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:11:54 AM Subject: [h-cost] preserving patterns I have a multi-size tissue pattern that I would like to use several times, and make in more than one size. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 15:17:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QJH9cb019119 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:17:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QJGaC8029640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QJGKEb094505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QJGK1b004110; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QJGHNa004058 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so37607pyc.4 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:16:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=s1A+9yADQQprXisOl/1EeKv6vAG1R0xcyxmem1YxJ6M=; b=x3aRVVnpITIcZO/bwBVklPJmfX+rIe9gaTmCWE2gJdaUAoQL80PRm+z5XTOa+aJFkM x/TlILau30f6zcAhqVsqn81PgVpbMK7blU+pjNkpvtnnA7LQ2ZIPinjng96ePjXj0n9a Rf/sIA1DpjxZ5WJYOhfVb/27rBz1VDzYXLQKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KfDPxnTQrUEDvJUXp3q2/uqtitIcO8QUUHjNg0UlVkgYbue4drghObKhLfNT6gzbiS WP4/gEwu6271Bxm52JeRqptz4riLuT9Uv66Rw5x4jsh/NhEwwUvPZSmI72ABFIyekRiE 5A1XP+FpoqpORqtb08VMQ4Kaw+yHL7QLHYQ8Y= Received: by 10.141.5.17 with SMTP id h17mr284251rvi.8.1214507776423; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:16:16 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?windows-1252?q?preserving_patterns_=97_paper?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: add30be2-7bf8-441c-856a-a4c15feb8744 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4863EB14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:17:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >>I rarely use commercial patterns; usually I would draft them >>out of a book onto paper. >I trace out the pattern on muslin and put any marks that I may need on it. It >also saves time in the long run because you won't need to do any >pinning when you lay the pattern out on fabric. Both of the above are true for me too. I'm a very lazy costumer for all that I like high-end results. I like to handle & fiddle w/ my patts, mockups & finished garment as little as possible. Part of this attitude is that I keep all my old mocks & drafts & notes neatly organized in 2 file cabinets in the garage. They're done on heavily starched muslin and/or butcher paper (comes in big wide rolls that last for years) and/or on the back side of D and E size mechanical drawings done on "vellem". It's not real vellem, it's the kind that CAD drafters use & goes in a plotter. This stuff will out last me. It's guaranteed 75 years archival quality, and I'm recycling. As for the starched muslin, I can draw on it, snip it to fit, pin it on a person and gather or pleat it, then press it back to flat. It will even drape a little, unlike any paper pattern. I love going to the pattern file cabinet, pulling out something I did a decade ago to use as a starting place. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 16:17:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QKHMH0022274 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:17:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QKHCLI006956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QKGb3q099625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QKGXsp065461; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QKGUY2065401 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from pm3mh1-13.uplink.net ([209.173.76.14] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KBxtO-0003H0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4863F923.9060608@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:16:35 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] rare Elizabeth I portrait found X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9d32d0c-259b-40e8-bddd-566337284984 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4863F948.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/7421051.stm This article is about a month old, but I've just come across it. Does anyone know of a site that has a picture of this painting? --Charlene -- A politican's words reveal less about what he thinks about his subject than what he thinks about his audience. -- George Will _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 16:33:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5QKXJmk023199 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:33:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5QKX6BX017912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5QKWk8j001234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QKWk22082053; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5QKWZXD081864 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so60669pyc.4 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3TMoDDdEIFhCPNchcSOtivA02vaiiuObF3/FVaO/yQo=; b=MWcyY5xHnG2HJjVVUK3V/0rbIfQU2xpdvQmM0dH0lDqW5+gRZvBXok6okpuylnFEK5 Mbw7l/nC+oKqF4pywTPlcIgBbKLdpMqe/k459K85n8Ir+iJmuNEQrrsVHR2dY/zqjBbc Im8s8ZNNSt0eiJWAi9W5LBFEHcbqaSD+o6xP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=QUicoctvFt95Tk/vwII9T7z/cqdXGKNcCGvOVtvf18k3PyRNdM7/yOWVMUGMn6yRY/ P+j7+evJ7K4mFoV/1gE+uF+NkJyL0eBZZBg79paDg7aLvSbTsxhDYXntYywndoO4k0us 6Rg1pNUV5iGJGveQgqEMxX05SWRp+yOExY+J0= Received: by 10.114.159.5 with SMTP id h5mr519044wae.222.1214512364582; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.209.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:32:44 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4863F923.9060608@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4863F923.9060608@earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] rare Elizabeth I portrait found X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a856adb3-5024-401b-a5c4-28c3cde83c61 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4863FD02.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Charlene Charette wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/7421051.stm > > This article is about a month old, but I've just come across it. Does > anyone know of a site that has a picture of this painting? > If you click the link at the bottom of the article, you go to the Boughton House web page which also has an image of the painting. MaggiRos -- ~Available NOW from Popinjay Press A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 00:06:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5R46N80012284 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:06:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5R46G3c010437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5R42dNl033604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5R42ZYn022470; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5R42YNp022451 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so83612anc.85 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:02:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=c6+faWGxLd9sgzP4260CVhruqTXEBNfx6/kjOtj6vm8=; b=xQ27ZMmpyusVCd706qLAHc0HTHgmLeA9DRoS/NjoLqRsk5dK+BDQLwYVf25MQTl1wN IkxXmhJUEAPyxWRAC/t83aSswWMy+hELPhIGvBCGdbpRp1WKBfgC74jB9guq786pFcK2 c1Qpk+cBiTdFzESkOLnwv47fwaY7lIl/iFRbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=wbSueIw3ZAoZ+Gmiohdy8Lg6wvG4sA9UjXvCMP0ylo0yE/p8eBEfJp//bTRVTXmekn uqQ6hSE67VwB74gbMgNqQKFOms649IbMmfDEwb7cqSajnXgr044LzAl1J3h+OIFHU5Qv 0iyUEczkvjiPlFvvgBVPiY/ORKiEfqXN23L+g= Received: by 10.100.37.20 with SMTP id k20mr1005980ank.12.1214539353093; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:02:33 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e3e7136-b929-4dbd-87d1-9c8d0dac1ca0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48646739.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:06:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sometimes, the best friend is the last to know... But, I ordered 2... I, and many of my friends, have used the Compendium for years to check my impressions and look for snippets (oh, wait, I have to look up where that word comes from) :) Cheers, Regina in L.A. >Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:22 -0700 From: Maggie Subject: [h-cost] A compendium of Elizabethan knowledge To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 June 26, 2008 (Los Angeles, CA) Did you know that the first shopping mall was opened in London in 1571? That in 16th century England, gifts were given on New Year's Day but not on Christmas? That beer could be flavored with anything from pepper to lupins? All this and more can be found in Maggie Secara's A COMPENDIUM OF COMMON KNOWLEDGE 1558-1603 (210 pps, trade paperback, $19.95) The Compendium website at www.elizabethan.org has long been the go-to website for authors, students, actors, re-enactors, and Elizabethan enthusiasts of all kinds. Now in paperback from Popinjay Press, anyone can have the Compendium on hand wherever they go! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 13:12:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5RHCb4e025237 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:12:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RHCT4R029850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:12:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5RHBrEu080408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RHBk6R031296; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RHBi1F031252 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so278329ywe.71 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ESVJ5vAPvbn1zZkesidvIT9AuwQVJLY2M+qLgT5Tr7Q=; b=Kl+rBpJZNNLz+p6dAu9i15qKN5D4v6xH1YwCFcvQvG8N0QVIe7xM7yZV90QzX9aFjY cSXLjxBE3qtlxQcRTB/yJiufuGwbfj2IkvN5X2tFX5LDrDTuwLmeYlrI2rfU60/1v/vM hcvVkZWSvjNcGul2rmKbvWx+viZRbgXoepQqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=o8Y9gePkYOhJnJRvY9japQz/50K4Jnt0yJRdtjl4aog8UtS6afvsMgz3rYIzUrj3Nf fIKUF+8AiivQ1H6S2ZvILDFXROEACgvhKlHdhmDyjCgENjvjcsOGpuIaErkDxGs1aNTR poZNwCrWnU2n3bIi0vMUS2KwuKePQS8ddIBC4= Received: by 10.114.125.2 with SMTP id x2mr1758374wac.59.1214586689144; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.107.10 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0806271011y56a80ab9se4583fdc445610df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:11:29 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab5fc18b-650c-448e-9460-721be14a3398 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48651F7D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:12:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maggie, Will you have copies at Costume College, or will that be too much to handle? We have one on order, but I may want to buy extras for Christmas presents. Lynn On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Regina Voorhes wrote: > Sometimes, the best friend is the last to know... > > But, I ordered 2... > > I, and many of my friends, have used the Compendium for years to check my > impressions and look for snippets (oh, wait, I have to look up where that > word comes from) :) > > Cheers, > Regina in L.A. > > > >Original Message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:52:22 -0700 > From: Maggie > Subject: [h-cost] A compendium of Elizabethan knowledge > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > June 26, 2008 (Los Angeles, CA) Did you know that the first shopping > mall was opened in London in 1571? That in 16th century England, gifts > were given on New Year's Day but not on Christmas? That beer could be > flavored with anything from pepper to lupins? All this and more can be > found in Maggie Secara's A COMPENDIUM OF COMMON KNOWLEDGE 1558-1603 > (210 pps, trade paperback, $19.95) > > The Compendium website at www.elizabethan.org has long been the go-to > website for authors, students, actors, re-enactors, and Elizabethan > enthusiasts of all kinds. Now in paperback from Popinjay Press, anyone > can have the Compendium on hand wherever they go! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 14:10:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5RIAlUD028198 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:10:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RIAgnU009498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:10:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5RIAJlt085663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RIAJ63000269; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RIAHf0000239 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so125750ana.65 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6aJhCzHO9//cnXZ+OS91ZZn9GHwiL4IbhIJtWk5eYr4=; b=h+IPWwMD89zgJbQk4RBzliO2zTMiGQ6ZEVRKFr5iPDqvJ4PIDWXyDop+lC5GaJWKEh Lqxqr3UXkweVeeoD/Q1vILAUuN4TqNhoYuml8ywc8/tb4lS5GuorW/r+1eQlwVct4l6L aS3uymqpuYx+p6qNsPNzT1wVITz+gBjlmYHKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Z6vZtybAK3DXZVnf8Tjp/8cCAPnLLzhMUbntSwjEHZIyUY0RJBobvNX4wiBRqpa2rM f2+9cYaZtd0JEww4bqkhI89ONqHBU5vKDkfZK1eInLwiYYLBxymxmH0lbEZl9K1xNTjU 5x0KmYV8nifjY7IvzdJha7RGwjAvl0nWAAyDM= Received: by 10.100.125.12 with SMTP id x12mr2087042anc.71.1214590215955; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:10:15 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8296995c0806271011y56a80ab9se4583fdc445610df@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0806271011y56a80ab9se4583fdc445610df@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9a8cea4-b527-46de-bf58-510e09c108c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48652D22.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:10:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I should talk to Tammy (TL Barnes) and Hedgehog Handworks to see if they they want to stock it. Since I don't have a space in the Merchants' room, it could be awkward selling out of a hotel room :-) Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Lynn Downward wrote: > Maggie, > > Will you have copies at Costume College, or will that be too much to handle? > We have one on order, but I may want to buy extras for Christmas presents. > > Lynn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 14:11:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5RIBxST028309 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:11:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RIBqAM014121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5RIBPWQ085776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RIBOEr001565; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RIBNXr001526 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so217508hsz.15 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RbPExtALahGWdIBr1Zq7W0TF01b3Lwlt5EarLKNNvlk=; b=aBQF0/9T6d9wjNd+om6TeFzzh78Hobib2U25f2FiZY3KeGflGMctAjgyxSOEhECeZh YkvWdkP6hllOwExwEVMfG7xRg+871BR4LzmC1XujgclnnkTcMPi/9Q29EoJMw++39q/q vGprMqyebHEDu7vn3rfMjZ7EHreuydDvqAyuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J47RHuMHq8kvGTAtFDmfvux+pZ1OSfa0iXdYBeBKAryf4i49oaCSwZofdQiMZ2Tf8R 1RetKTUdVRY6oTiEy6Bn+nSWJDa+ZqDEqFzxPkk4luS+PpPNqmvIKFUhIDApjesOmhvR va0rg0T+akrFGnmZRdi6GIeMl+7iyWMBz58M4= Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr2030022ana.155.1214590283002; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:11:22 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4f11e56-06cd-4d93-9e5c-6c3672df21f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48652D68.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:11:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Regina Voorhes wrote: > Sometimes, the best friend is the last to know... > > But, I ordered 2... > > I, and many of my friends, have used the Compendium for years to check my > impressions and look for snippets (oh, wait, I have to look up where that > word comes from) :) > > Cheers, > Regina in L.A. Oh dear! I thought I told you! Sorry MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~Available NOW from Popinjay Press A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 18:59:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5RMx0U4009843 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:59:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RMws2m001052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:58:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5RMwU51012196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5RMwReI059773; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5RMwOXo059648 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76596 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 22:58:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hycjef39P5YoLsBzTYF7q6CmdPzG86tM2lPczRDE032K0DQ4/pRscHI7UgRwg63v+YI+iHGrL341x7L3M1+VxiYS8ozBGcvWJq8RXiCJqRvUZnCPSdnK3qiLaaNSWen4SSbw68CbRjY8A7ZhtEdQMzgtCWhedMoljGlHfYDW76c=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:58:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <600731.75963.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 004128a3-df6a-415c-9e23-4c08be6b2d39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486570AE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 22:27:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5S2RIco021398 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:27:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5S2RDxi018666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5S2QgHg025325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S2Qcr8080305; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S2QZR1080279 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so153908ana.65 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:26:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GZp/zHCcvRXJOtIgf5pBd/+tCPzgq+oO78lLiHeVriU=; b=dlaEoUDMumw0/sUrtGnVxW33ouHlO/vAdJBalhYenxwqHRh/l139BWysdnZHnyOfqS 5sYwBoqZB838lh8nDgrsKWd5F/leUxOQi7Oh87LcYvzSKkov4Z56CCQScC8KJsq75MWE 1ATydJz+1rNK18t85CILT/ZS0Q73Y3Z9BGhzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Mx/ewpqZ2zvRJy3Gut0/0JXobTT5F4wZGi4m8u/nwc17uIA21ch6uK5DFxzREhX3sb 9NaQBJfdfUkvFu1+2SOonrWHILmKw80gQOS8oV8ja2GC70SHG4sFOxQ1Dxt9AI2EIVyu W9scy6XfRD74CfKDAX1Bkzg4Ynnk/IJ8hspa4= Received: by 10.100.37.18 with SMTP id k18mr2474045ank.157.1214619995490; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:26:35 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <600731.75963.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <600731.75963.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 432d62cd-8d4a-4920-86b5-6f21bf7eea28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4865A181.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:27:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh yes! Actually I've been there the last couple of years. Last year I spent all my free time reading the last Harry Potter book so I was kind of invisible. :-) And sure, I can sign it in person, and still give you a bookplate if you want. Can't wait. Maggie On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > Maggie, > > Does that mean you will be at Costume College? Would you be available for signing your books in person then??? (said hopefully). > > Kimiko > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~Available NOW from Popinjay Press A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 22:49:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5S2nwbs022580 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:49:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5S2nqSF025739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5S2nfX8027324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S2nfve092978; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S2neJe092966 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so360534ywr.0 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:49:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=hxYBqBnnj5xWH/oUSpgQP92fTWG+09VRyPqYRfGKV68=; b=shv3l9HKzvhrDVwkZSh0vkNSVchibksgnWmgKdO49wGFJa1dAzx7DWOqFXdZYD4GUB Fc9uLZc59KW6poqEvUQNL5xZ+IPY2ZwFkY/5cbaG7JTCXV7byplnQ55C38KpSFEe9vl/ 8QGKA2fg6mcoxgH928mei1vF71YG3e11gQTIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=xIapLQFwW1N43MLFE/S75PeR/ROewTd1f5uJ2AvrCvDcIa9I7ePXZQMce6XlGyeLpd DkRAXvBR6j05tLfBLXX2fZHA5y+2myMnZpyTdQ7/4CL/RvHPN9KN1qX7KPTJ9No9bd2y GhCn9vYGyjKWPF03DYFmsAoFnAB1P/QpOgYys= Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr3429141ybz.46.1214621379685; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2642yxm.9.2008.06.27.19.49.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "H-Costume" , "SCA Garb" , "Margo's Patterns" Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:45:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 797a6b4a-8ac7-41f5-b95a-023014b1912d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4865A6D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:49:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good evening everyone! Sorry for the cross-post, I couldn't decide which list was most appropriate for this request. I bought fabric last weekend. I wanted to make a very simple generic English/French Renaissance dress... but my fabric keeps insising it wants to be a Spanish dress! Like this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Anna_de_Austria1.jpg I haven't done a whole lot of research on Spanish gowns, so I have a couple of questions. First, layers. On Spanish gowns of this type, there's always white sleeves with horizontal gold stripes, sometimes an under doublet similarly striped horizontally. I suppose there is a separate under doublet, and that both layers are constructed similarly. There's very similar styles on some Italian gowns where we can see an underskirt striped vertically in gold. For a Spanish gown, was there usually an underskirt? Second question: does anybody have a good pattern for the wide triangular sleeve in the image linked above? Third question... the skirt - or petticoat, if you prefer. On Spanish gowns, there doesn't seem to be much pleating, if any, at the waist. Has anybody built a skirt this way? Any pointers? Last question: what about headwear? Any ideas? Thank you! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 23:52:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5S3qxL0025647 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:52:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5S3qq96019710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5S3qXSK029785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S3qVeZ027457; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S3qS24027361 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2283F1313E4 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:52:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4865C376.1020308@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:52:06 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b992cbe-8f71-4bdc-8091-fbd5b09c3fe0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4865B594.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Last question: what about headwear? Any ideas? If you look closely at the picture you can see she is wearing a cap on the back of her head, the top of it is just barely visible. It looks like what is commonly called an "attifet" these days, but it is a bit smaller and closer to the head. Several people make patterns for those. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 00:09:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5S49N36026493 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:09:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5S49Im0014125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:09:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5S494aJ030266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S494bk036614; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S49148036589 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F157040968 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:09:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 573ec0f6-3948-4788-a65e-e97acba977e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4865B96E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:09:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you are good at sewing (meaning, not a first time sewer or novice) I recommend http://www.margospatterns.com/ The underpinnings and the Lady's wardrobe. You could possibly adapted the Spanish sleeve into a bell sleeve. Another portrait of Anne http://www.queenscourtsocal.org/Photoalbum_contents.aspx?Albumid=3 It would seem that she is quite fond of the style of dress. -----Original Message----- Good evening everyone! Sorry for the cross-post, I couldn't decide which list was most appropriate for this request. I bought fabric last weekend. I wanted to make a very simple generic English/French Renaissance dress... but my fabric keeps insising it wants to be a Spanish dress! Like this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Anna_de_Austria1.jpg I haven't done a whole lot of research on Spanish gowns, so I have a couple of questions. First, layers. On Spanish gowns of this type, there's always white sleeves with horizontal gold stripes, sometimes an under doublet similarly striped horizontally. I suppose there is a separate under doublet, and that both layers are constructed similarly. There's very similar styles on some Italian gowns where we can see an underskirt striped vertically in gold. For a Spanish gown, was there usually an underskirt? Second question: does anybody have a good pattern for the wide triangular sleeve in the image linked above? Third question... the skirt - or petticoat, if you prefer. On Spanish gowns, there doesn't seem to be much pleating, if any, at the waist. Has anybody built a skirt this way? Any pointers? Last question: what about headwear? Any ideas? Thank you! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 00:23:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5S4Nr5n027208 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:23:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5S4NmNl018037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5S4NSAM030676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5S4NSKw044194; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5S4NO3f044110 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14216 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2008 04:23:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bAwbYhZ/zBLZZXfjb2ojlTSDkAKtUc2Cv+je90JCBhhQQlx0s4bIJgmnpBK1aiXt14ut1V4ontgytMRbKvnAATGRKOoZ4/Ij6w8JuJZclQJK8voYtYxY050NQRS9WQUB2URidm8rsrLTb5Tg8TFiOQ/zfEO/RVMCoTY5ZME9mRE=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:23:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <415509.13994.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9016dc06-6ff1-45a3-9f20-9da8f675587e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4865BCD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cool! I look forward to seeing you there. Kimiko --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Maggie wrote: > Oh yes! Actually I've been there the last couple of > years. Last year I > spent all my free time reading the last Harry Potter book > so I was > kind of invisible. :-) And sure, I can sign it in person, > and still > give you a bookplate if you want. Can't wait. > > Maggie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 09:14:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SDElr4012257 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:14:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SDEem2029628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:14:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SDEAEa053131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SDE5cH049652; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SDE3A5049618 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so75844ugc.17 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:14:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FfNl1ZPVJaJ/7BUWEkFuC/gb6+73fbIQ7qATyccdg58=; b=YWKIupuGOXtPzCvWe9w1EvfcRrNyTGKrXq3gkhFCAq3mta6B45w78WOf80SRH1GfJq rcFIQGNfOxAHTMvLURFUjw+LEhdTlrtvw0SDrwxYmrP+pHqTwsVmKLNZ4Ei17NlMD66j MzErcgCpQ3yLzgOI8ZZx98GgFsJHraaoBXT1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XWtFJPueiLLGwuliGUN00AjvNNCTHxiTVG0db50rTfOwciqUsbZ/a18O+I4vUwdKLa WQZlgMdWiOHQ3RQnzbvxJExOwtlNpeHbZmyK/62H5uHRI7X2LHCLuBL5tniLQeQfR8+h 0DB5+9zOQ4JdzmfhYN6bL+BZPSNxbxkydObhM= Received: by 10.67.115.8 with SMTP id s8mr2680245ugm.50.1214658842763; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:14:02 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf69b9ed-ba9d-40d0-b087-8177656446cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48663940.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:14:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I bought fabric last weekend. I wanted to make a very simple generic > English/French Renaissance dress... but my fabric keeps insising it wants= to > be a Spanish dress! > > Like this one: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Anna_de_Austria1.jpg Woot! Welcome to the dark side! > First, layers. On Spanish gowns of this type, there's always white sleev= es > with horizontal gold stripes, sometimes an under doublet similarly striped > horizontally. I suppose there is a separate under doublet, and that both > layers are constructed similarly. There's very similar styles on some > Italian gowns where we can see an underskirt striped vertically in gold. = For > a Spanish gown, was there usually an underskirt? Yes. Alcega lists both gored and half circle skirts in his pattern book (really a layout manual than patterns). It's still not entirely clear why there are the two shapes but the gored skirts occasionally have have a bodice cut with them that appears to be used for support (querpo baxo) It does appear that there is a doublet worn at least some of the time as there are a few portraits (espeically of Ana) where the doublet is worn open to reveal an inner layer that matches the sleeves (not always white! Sometimes red.) > Second question: does anybody have a good pattern for the wide triangular > sleeve in the image linked above? For my Spanish ( http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm ) I was working with a sleeve that deviated from the norm. It has a bit of a curve to the bottom. That said in trying to convince myself of the shape I looked at a lot of the more normal sleeves and the pattern I developed would work if the line down the back were to taper to a point rather than a curve. I can sent you a scaled diagram of it if you like? I would definitely not cut the sleeves with the curve. it's atypical and will not give the same look as in the typical style. Oh! Yes there is a bit of a layout if you look at an extant gown that is laid flat: http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm It;s right at the top of the page. It has a very shallow curve which is what made me finally accept that I could have a deeper curve;) > Third question... the skirt - or petticoat, if you prefer. On Spanish > gowns, there doesn't seem to be much pleating, if any, at the waist. Has > anybody built a skirt this way? Any pointers? Brilliant observation! Yes this is about the one constant in Spanish dress that makes a gown Spanish rather than Italian or Flemish or anything else. The fit smoothly as a cone at least as far as the side back. Some people have interpretted the images as showing the skirts to be smooth all the way around which certainly keeps that line perfect from every angle. Also there is a portrait of Philip and his daughters and they seem to have this style of skirt: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/1583filipeandwives= .jpg (ignore the file name) There is enough room to have a little ease over the lower half at the very least though. I used Alcega and extant garments as above to have a smooth fitting front and sides and then pleating in the very back to allow more movement to my train. I found that scaling the skirts up as they are you get a fairly large waist in proportion to the skirt but that you can match side seams to side back seams and get a really nice fitted front. If you are not sure about buying Alcega then there are some very similar patterns online: http://www.vertetsable.com/research_b181.htm http://www.vertetsable.com/research_f47.htm http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/patterns.htm And that's just a quick list of patterns in Alcega. > Last question: what about headwear? Any ideas? I don't think it is a hat, though Ana did wear them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/anadeaustriacampis= tudy.jpg It seems Isabel de Valois might have brought a French fashion with her for wearing jewels and a jewelled net thing (seriously hard to describe) to Spain as it appears in both French and Spanish fashion: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/isabelreinacampist= udy.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/moreisabella.jpg http://www.flg.es/ficha.asp?ID=3D2726 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/1571coelloisabelcl= ara.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/1579isabellaclarac= oellohair.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/1571coellocatalina= .jpg http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_37a.jpg http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10525_39a.jpg I suspect some fake hair might be employed in some of these as there would other wise be a strange penchant for dull nearly hair coloured turbans... Ana may be wearing that sort of arrangement (just her head): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/anadeaustria.jpg And as a comparison, the French versions (which have also been mistaken for small hats....) http://www.rmn.fr/ I hope these tinyurl links work, the site has a tendancy to use cookies and the like) http://tinyurl.com/43u2ps N=B0 d'inventaire : MN41;B301 Elisabeth, fille de Henri II, femme de Philippe II, roi d'Espagne Hard to tell but that is a net and then her hair in braids behind decorated with pearls. http://tinyurl.com/3qr8uu N=B0 d'inventaire : MN42;B366 Marguerite de France reine de Navarre, fille de Henri II, femme d'Henri Same net arrangement and someoen afterwards filled in the hair, but compare these two to the painted portrait from this sketch: http://tinyurl.com/52g9l7 N=B0 d'inventaire : PE255 Marguerite de France, enfant Clearly hair and pearls, the net is harder to see though, and she may have a layer of sheer fabric as a base too. http://tinyurl.com/3w65dy N=B0 d'inventaire : MN342;B297 Dame inconnue More clearly hair and jewels http://tinyurl.com/3pemee N=B0 d'inventaire : MN327;B308 Madame Mouy Saint-Phal (vers 1525-apr=E8s 1583) http://tinyurl.com/484urj N=B0 d'inventaire : PE254 Jeanne d'Albret, Reine de Navarre (1528-1572) Another very clear hair and jewel arrangement http://tinyurl.com/3qted7 N=B0 d'inventaire : INV3254 Elisabeth d'Autriche (1554-1592) Reine de France, femme de Charles IX And the one closest to what we see on Isabel at least. http://tinyurl.com/4vs9yj N=B0 d'inventaire : MN22;B311 Marguerite de France, fille de Fran=E7ois Ier, duchesse de Savoie http://tinyurl.com/4qezdh N=B0 d'inventaire : MN41;B301 Elisabeth, fille de Henri II, femme de Philippe II, roi d'Espagne These too are jewels and nets and braided hair. So smooth skirts at the very least to the side back and hair either bound with jewelled bands or small hats worn tilted to the front of the head (often a combination of the two) and hanging sleeves of several types. Oh and you are lucky! The portrait of Ana does not having a matching carcanet and girdle! It is so hard finding enough metal findings to make such matching items... very annoying. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 11:06:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SF6OAb019412 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SF6JqD011979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SF5qdX059011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SF5or6030880; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5SF5lT2030786 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32627 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2008 15:05:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=u+/y5bJDkLJbKfo8Kec5VD8e3Djd2O3lJ4W4LzmAoy0BNIknHmEB/3wtZD2Nf9+eOmURW5fENWH7WIVK6b9Z+EcRhSND3Jz2OLFugudG5Gv9j5W/GYNYButvc5bJs8M7f+FMAE8K4NIR1ICwE1w0g9VC4ZS0siAeOD8/2UHUxTU=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:05:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1218.32592.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32a7a2a5-5dbe-4da7-9dd4-023d2714e3e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4866536B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'd like to broaden my horizons in medieval and renaissance headwear, especially recreating, but a good source with illustrations and a nice text would also be welcome. What book would you suggest? Or books, if I wanted one for theory and one for recreating and constructing techniques? I found some useful tips in the Medieval tailor's assistant, but that's about it. Thanks a lot for help, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz Online shop with costumes, silk and pearls _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 11:53:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SFrqWR022470 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SFrlNG000485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SFrSIf061892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SFrRoS065705; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SFrRaf065682 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so732324wra.23 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=rrzng1MMOq53M16ApZf20TwJGyEWkPgTUDkj1mN3pXw=; b=pPb+mySxw8X4dKwEH9cNibpkvuwCdT1FZLnV3TbiCZA7gWaEST6D7w/RgnKz8as3Nj ADztat75R2Ze1sSSeF+1Ec013eIakK8bD6kRK3S6cNhl82IaprQEFtc6tJcDpTjkqS9n jVCB63BkfOwVVXFdlG9KHxGVjNXJTUOJcUy40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=rZlNxU5tXuW0uJ6eC6Et8hGSa6u+qJGvjX8/myi45KbIzFfrvi2oEiFSGhPOGfxwrm 8pD02IjDpniSnFD7q+E8n1IuZRwnDuY89PKq2+z/lQGW8SPCZ2GyHLkVFcdvKoVJchuO w3p6n98zMjAnbvZ4uZVbGyQlIsuBZLAzcUCmE= Received: by 10.90.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr3005798agc.69.1214668406526; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm396116yxs.5.2008.06.28.08.53.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8F8B10C7A51F48C3AF20E8274FD47A31@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4865C376.1020308@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daf1d2d6-0ad1-436c-99fb-143bd9d351a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48665E8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > It looks like what is commonly called an "attifet" these days, but it is a > bit smaller and closer to the head. Oh, you're right! It does look like an attifet! I hadn't seen it this way! But on a lot of paintings it's closer to a small round cap (Italian-style), with a teardrop-shaped pearl at the front of the hair part. I have Margo's patterns, I'll see if I can adapt the attifet pattern. Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 12:00:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SG08Ru022808 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:00:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SG03uI004761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:00:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SFxppW062288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SFxpV8070492; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SFxoc2070475 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so178897ana.65 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=JOEM0BJ7NlJxm24XyTn+Tj2LmVeo3qGcKepf8bweVMI=; b=nGqr5eUXH4aEGB1j5NTrhse2Wyqhg7TqaP1aGVKAmCo/6Wl2R0/FIzIqa6pCeR9FeA 1//OlTG2x65c+92TxHHsq1F2bzWCMaipIiwj7cYJcophkvxWHdlNNZYucGU4wbQ931Sd MLazyj6PpaHHW8Z2kcU1HOSNXfGv4WTcLlhG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=XMZauzIkIpD3IWuQp3UUTCavnvkPxZsQydB5k/Y2009xgyKKV0Uc/XEgTyPTOIPzPt e/a9CAZmaWHmh0QHqEHyY0RrwseMFNFCmlAl4D0pUIAEVAv4ngdWN83TkHne1fVf2NGl ZFfnpG/4nizoWJM8ZYyTCWHMZZnIbFXZ2kL2g= Received: by 10.100.31.3 with SMTP id e3mr2768999ane.64.1214668788038; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm624921yxd.2.2008.06.28.08.59.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3bedc9e-b6e0-4917-b2f8-3fdf9b62421d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48666003.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:00:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > http://www.margospatterns.com/ Yes, I have the first edition, and just rediscovered them recently, that's what got me to buy fabric :-) > You could possibly adapted the > Spanish sleeve into a bell sleeve. Hm... I'll look into it. It would at least help me get the slit in the right position on the arm... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 12:19:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SGJqOH023796 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SGJlcx011291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SGJNcA063269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SGJJev084887; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SGJHRd084867 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so179786ana.65 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:19:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=WXnGqb5FMKCFkBSwnCuV1yak6KKJIvqgsvCIo5AMNjw=; b=xWgcKdIafxW/Iv6/0sdENiuJ6awtKyq9wlNvz/simp8E4jivxt55wBmxfpN+8/Cy2Z p97lCnSSpVWFiFv8pz0H7xHEv6/Do/yteD933NMztKzqg9UJETfRNyRGZM2rIRuW+g7z OIrord8p72CMyi14sGIQukZfttUMSOcNfC6bg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=QjxWGYwu54ZSYsZKslSqCTUqLYiDcWIp9UBFCKtnHgJYtP8GJ5pbL8sQSEfTEDXxpK 2go5Uiyb/DsOc8KHj10c0GGCf33Z7gLKh1cnEzwvY0AmPldL5SCjoVBc1FN/UPzrMOfg ajyQcwgRPsDcgv4XPDOvQPn4ypFG6wqZ2SSqs= Received: by 10.100.215.14 with SMTP id n14mr2726666ang.148.1214669955776; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm218568yxs.5.2008.06.28.09.19.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e25d0dcd-a9f8-4f00-bb7b-b91cbe02f576 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486664A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Woot! Welcome to the dark side! If you mean the dark side being Spanish costuming, then I'm happy to join you. If you mean that dress is dark, my fabric is a dark gold colour so it won't be nearly as dark as this one. It's the style I like :-) > I can sent you a scaled diagram of it if you like? It would be a good starting point, if you don't mind sending it. > Oh! Yes there is a bit of a layout if you look at an extant gown that > is laid flat: http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm Two things bother me about this sleeve. On the site, she mentions that they were cut at the top to accomodate the statue, and also they seem to be two plain triangles, but on actual gowns the slit is not in the front - or is the sleeve simply worn slightly rotated? > I used Alcega and extant garments as above to have a smooth fitting > front and sides and then pleating in the very back to allow more > movement to my train. I looked at the patterns in Alcega yesterday night, but they didn't tell me much other than most outer gowns are cut in a semicircle. > It seems Isabel de Valois might have brought a French fashion with her > for wearing jewels and a jewelled net thing Yes, it does seem that way. So I guess I could fudge it quickly with a pearled hair net until I find/make something more suitable. Some of them seem to have the small round Italian hat also, over the hair net thingie. Short hair is going to be a struggle for this one though :-) With medieval clothing I just hide it under the veil and wear fake braids... > Oh and you are lucky! The portrait of Ana does not > having a matching carcanet and girdle! I hadn't even started thinking about that yet! I like pearls :-) Thank you so much for the detailed answer! You really got my brain working... Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 16:21:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SKL1GV005688 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:21:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SKKtOD020474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SKKbGw076539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SKKXVA054770; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5SKKU9Z054664 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 63976 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2008 20:20:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KfF71k9UCUuBAPAfzWASzSB5GhoeoeW9s82X9qPCxt9yKUwQPyr+pd3PY8yPHkXhs92l62vfEbncz2AdfUqFQTuZCPKSLjosy3/U9bKRietSVhkkuBjlPz+c+CslTwdsFG0p0DXmf2n5qioKnXHnIh6B/3zniqS1pvKNbaAnkAE=; X-YMail-OSG: Pzz6j08VM1k2z31hz0tjocBkuMgnAFgechiKw3ksY9nH1LeNaByFu_rQhzG0MEizVDAURauTn5s_VikWXkPVsxoOHrDES_rDzAg_.g-- Received: from [68.252.38.236] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:20:24 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <829265.62502.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba789ec4-263a-4b28-b5b7-20787cff531c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48669D27.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anybody have a source in the Chicago area for character shoes that Ansel might be able to purchase without a long wait? He will be a new character this year and therefore will not be able to wear the sea captain boots his has been wearing for the past couple of years. This year he has a part in one of the stage shows - he will play a baker - and he is working up a new street character, where he is a bee keeper. He waited far too late to think about this. Bristol opens in two weeks, so if we need to order we need to order soon!!! Any suggestions will be gratefully appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 16:59:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SKxh28007698 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:59:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SKxcLe020108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SKxJO9078480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SKxJLT080288; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5SKxGKn080206 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69228 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2008 20:59:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BrYiIYUa9vBfDjf6IGsVvMQktJ7fOee2+nfBgth9ngxW+7f1X3dHTomhNMQhU6oXaQXsdeY7ED/Rl6tmvcJqC91ZasC0Kkm0dehX+62E4uuxfiyrEVLOjy766lIKUz+7XKTpoAx4t7dgsepP2KIW088hs9vyWvjjTW1EABrcbco=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:59:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1218.32592.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79584.68734.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a52c6dda-cb58-45db-9198-d6ca4b2ba1b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4866A63A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Zuzana, Are you looking for books on millinery making in general? If so I suggest From the Neck Up, which you can get at http://www.hatbook.com/ . If you are looking for a book just on medieval and renaissance hats in general, I've yet to find one myself, so I too would love to know of any books on the subject. The Tudor Tailor book does have a few patterns for medieval and Elizabethan hats, hoods, and coifs, along with other clothing patterns and info. The only hat focused stuff I've yet to find are usually people's bad interpretations of any particular styles (ie visor French Hoods), or are hand redrawn images of people's portraits (ie: Wilcox's The Mode in Hats and Headdress, which is usually more expensive than I am willing to pay for redrawings.) The other options have been picking up various hat patterns from those who do them well, such as Lynn McMasters' patterns http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/. I've also found a few places on the 'net, such as Cynthia Virtues site on medieval hats (and other stuff): http://www.virtue.to/articles/ If you, or anyone else knows a good book on medieval and renaissance hats, I would love to know. Kimiko --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > What book would you suggest? Or books, if I wanted > one for theory and one for recreating and constructing > techniques? I found some useful tips in the Medieval > tailor's assistant, but that's about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 18:25:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SMPPNS012074 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:25:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SMPHsA000378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:25:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SMOxrN082542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SMOwZK033541; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:24:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SMOsNR033499 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A995BB2035A; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:22:13 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <829265.62502.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c8d96d$c289c2d0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <829265.62502.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjZXDINq56YrU/XQTqs0Sf6Yt5vjAAEUztQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96bf6488-85d0-4e59-8eb1-eae5c7d1b35f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4866BA4D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Amazon Drygoods is in Iowa. (563) 322-6800. Don't know if they have anything that might work. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:20 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Shoes Does anybody have a source in the Chicago area for character shoes that Ansel might be able to purchase without a long wait? He will be a new character this year and therefore will not be able to wear the sea captain boots his has been wearing for the past couple of years. This year he has a part in one of the stage shows - he will play a baker - and he is working up a new street character, where he is a bee keeper. He waited far too late to think about this. Bristol opens in two weeks, so if we need to order we need to order soon!!! Any suggestions will be gratefully appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 18:34:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5SMYSGB012461 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:34:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5SMYN1V003857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5SMT7Q6082795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SMT7hS035943; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SMT3l1035911 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA91BD3035A; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:26:25 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <829265.62502.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c8d96e$5885c1d0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <829265.62502.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjZXDINq56YrU/XQTqs0Sf6Yt5vjAAEaHEw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6e497b5-0ee7-4943-8a77-c00c9437569a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4866BC6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:34:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or Jas.Townsend & Son, Inc., Ft. Wayne, Indiana. They have a store, too, as well as online. www.jas-townsend.com Or can he buy from one of the Faire vendors? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:20 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Shoes Does anybody have a source in the Chicago area for character shoes that Ansel might be able to purchase without a long wait? He will be a new character this year and therefore will not be able to wear the sea captain boots his has been wearing for the past couple of years. This year he has a part in one of the stage shows - he will play a baker - and he is working up a new street character, where he is a bee keeper. He waited far too late to think about this. Bristol opens in two weeks, so if we need to order we need to order soon!!! Any suggestions will be gratefully appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 23:35:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5T3Zmr2029398 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:35:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5T3ZgPL005980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5T3ZI4L099125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T3ZEgQ092058; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T3ZDCh092040 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so645669ywe.71 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:35:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=FzbHiYaw+3P+/tOZyiyEE1NG4WxgetDafA1B02sCs/A=; b=qNizYPK7ffeFhg0+DgV6COl9f53xjowIm57al/xws0QGrmK0Oslj5xziVuKR8BoZ1H V2YfFV/9SZcHuDPLEsTXSaxcRRUeMcgZusqyNYGs7kfuYZA/J6GtIkCL+uM4FuyP5SLm 5NxbZ/ZnLhDuv6N5OB1UqMjabj0NjzFvRAO+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=fnQPpQgGxY3Hpa5MP2MyYBV4rp4IsxF9eHYSHlWw6T6cx+TuYnPIfgDGt7IPCdlTpW MW4Unf0KbSdW8v21hmi+3abU1UZBEGoGvO9OwWDmIo656XmcCu6aX0A1y12c3hSiQ2tr n8aHIBPuVR2AkJy7hddeuCGaFLAI9fNeA3g2o= Received: by 10.151.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr5498848ybm.176.1214710511536; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm162912yxt.1.2008.06.28.20.35.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3560B94B6C7A46B783E7DB720B1FD35E@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:33:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75b7f2f3-ef2d-4b62-99a8-878c315986a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4867030E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > It has a bit of a curve to the bottom. You're right, it has! I just found the very last pattern in Alcega, on the folded sheet... Woman's silk skirt and bodice with full-length pointed sleeve Sounds like I hit the jackpot! I can't make sense of the sleeve pattern though... I think I'll have to make a small paper mockup. I'll let you know how it turns out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 01:21:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5T5LQts002339 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:21:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5T5LLDL025442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5T5L1aK002924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T5Kx6M042420; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T5KwR5042399 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so659311ywe.71 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=e5/p8JJji6g5oqhysezEi7aGQo4lyUcZ4wXF15AZuxc=; b=VQmcOaYKGexIN3xnmxj6WWnexeaAmNtXwjJX1tyDFTCuYSCrN4nZD8jG2oNF4scG4r 9S6X2T3JgknNiYI5Y77fkLAhmNV+tK4no2LkqQsbFQ+tvdn41Ar2kppEn1m9QItIOR6u TGv6s7U85nj2GakdDmBwTzvIgjnXlqk3B/6ok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=vQnQ3hXoPyX4aCYAGa4fUuEPC+CMAsmf1FUkRWpJoL9J0df+MlBPRltHinNF40hORw C9w37CbivAIvKQRU0rHq2k7uP9Xr6PWecjBjQSpia/8icRY4wQbxS3R2dq83yWdjABx3 AxM2pIo3d4eHbt8r9etNbIZXVHftXRdIWuFIM= Received: by 10.151.145.11 with SMTP id x11mr5656541ybn.125.1214716857856; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm176247yxj.7.2008.06.28.22.20.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41EA68815AD9484F93308B6E0FB1833C@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:20:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Help with Alcega was: Re: Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b71e82a2-6f73-4b5e-bcd2-4fa83a98aed7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48671BD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:21:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Yes. Alcega lists both gored and half circle skirts in his pattern I'm using the very last pattern in Alcega, the last one on the folded sheet, for a gown with pointed sleeves. I've hit a little bump in the road, but I'll ask at the end of this email. I want to make sure my measurements are right. If I were to use the pattern straight out of the book, I would end up with a front skirt panel that is 1 ell wide at the bottom. In the first part of the book, he says the standard fabric is 2/3 of an ell wide, which would mean 56 cm, which I can confirm easily enough against the 1 ell width on my small paper mockup. The back skirt panel is roughly 1 1/2 ell wide at ground height, so the total width of the skirt all around is about 5 ells. My current hoops are 3 1/3 ells around (280 cm), so I'd have a nice amount of pleating in the back. The skirt is meant to be 1 1/2 ells long (126 cm), which is a little too long for me, but not much (my current hoop is 102 cm long and roughly 2 inches above ground). The skirt is meant to be 3 ells long in the back which is completely insane, both in the amount of fabric it uses and in the hassle it will be to manage. I'm wondering if I shouldn't cut it by half. That is, instead of having 1 1/2 ells of train, have only 3/4 ells of train. I'm still debating on this though. Making the pattern as was meant to be certainly has a lot of appeal! Now, I have a problem. If I can trust my faithful little paper mockup, it seems that the waist will end up being exactly 2 ells around, with the two front panels representing 3/4 of an ell together, or 63 cm. This is enough to go completely around my waist! Spanish gowns were not pleated in front! How can I make this fit? Is this pattern for another style entirely? Is this simply a case of those being layouts and not patterns (everything else fits so nicely though!)? Or am I missing something important? I'm very tempted to cut my fabric in strips 56 cm wide, then use the pattern almost as is, once I solve the waist width problem. Any tips? Insight? Thank you to all who have answered so far, you're an immense help! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 02:54:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5T6sfNg008557 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:54:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5T6saMB018816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:54:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5T6s9nv005887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T6s6sA086555; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.247.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5T6s2ZO086472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.101]:1064 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCqnM-00007E-B0 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:53:56 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080629074905.039e20e0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:51:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <3560B94B6C7A46B783E7DB720B1FD35E@p4audrey> References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> <3560B94B6C7A46B783E7DB720B1FD35E@p4audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0c9a60e-bc17-4221-b343-63fce4ec5df8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486731AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:54:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 04:33 29/06/2008, you wrote: >>It has a bit of a curve to the bottom. > >You're right, it has! > >I just found the very last pattern in Alcega, on the folded sheet... > >Woman's silk skirt and bodice with full-length pointed sleeve > >Sounds like I hit the jackpot! > >I can't make sense of the sleeve pattern though... I think I'll have >to make a small paper mockup. I'll let you know how it turns out! When you make up the narrow, inner sleeve, you might like to know that the inner seam, the one that runs inside the elbow, is whipped, on the outside, with a fairly hefty "gold" thread. I saw this painting somewhere, took a photo of the sleeve, but cannot now find it. It was very unusual, I thought. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 10:10:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5TEAfYc024695 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:10:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5TEAa2l027496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5TEA3Rv029093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:10:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TE9xYE033362; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5TE9uKr033289 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75676 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2008 14:09:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2tQvX4MDVxZQuxbao59mazlM62aNE9v9a38yb7uumFXORnTUznOnlNRJucbkrOjhHnqOwx6I//b0CrKzTsybxuxZtcDUiWpc037WbQsHhF1QwPBecTO/fEmT5DQ3+/Wv0B4NHafvsSF7iCTGdiynqB76buyxShXhdqpRCviT2NY=; Received: from [66.57.238.70] by web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:09:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <79584.68734.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <937671.73890.qm@web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fdeb8fbd-371b-45fa-b413-7c51a3ba6f07 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486797DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:10:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have an early edition of this book from oh umteen years ago now...and I Hoope some of the problems have been fixed. I have a lot of prolems with the patterns "matching up" and ended upi having to redraft curve and things myself inorder to make them work... but it was a great book for ideas. Bambi Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Kimiko Small wrote: From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions To: "Historical Costume" Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:59 PM Hi Zuzana, Are you looking for books on millinery making in general? If so I suggest From the Neck Up, which you can get at http://www.hatbook.com/ . If you are looking for a book just on medieval and renaissance hats in general, I've yet to find one myself, so I too would love to know of any books on the subject. The Tudor Tailor book does have a few patterns for medieval and Elizabethan hats, hoods, and coifs, along with other clothing patterns and info. The only hat focused stuff I've yet to find are usually people's bad interpretations of any particular styles (ie visor French Hoods), or are hand redrawn images of people's portraits (ie: Wilcox's The Mode in Hats and Headdress, which is usually more expensive than I am willing to pay for redrawings.) The other options have been picking up various hat patterns from those who do them well, such as Lynn McMasters' patterns http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/. I've also found a few places on the 'net, such as Cynthia Virtues site on medieval hats (and other stuff): http://www.virtue.to/articles/ If you, or anyone else knows a good book on medieval and renaissance hats, I would love to know. Kimiko --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > What book would you suggest? Or books, if I wanted > one for theory and one for recreating and constructing > techniques? I found some useful tips in the Medieval > tailor's assistant, but that's about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 11:35:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5TFZcg4032090 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:35:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5TFZW3A030789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5TFZ7uj033570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TFZ5dL093858; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TFZ3v2093831 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so884857wra.23 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OArLUsnyNcTtl2l1/1ALdfA/KM8XNtILtviXrtMmg+c=; b=mBjo/e4T50/63vkvoJfm1lJHVkXyh9ERcOvJ3iGU9JWK86HZ5qQ4lI9xemyc+yjWB6 edF354jyQt8vFXwp8Ai/p6CfOYTReS/OW9PAoyaxTt2J6J8ciVwvCZBhZ6ThjTlg97KT xQw9ZaU2P3Eizy5DTR4olsJApJSIeLreW/yhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=rU//VpzU07M9OA61Pk7Ei/LQzDjUZw33GxT5oHHFF3L9+MShBca7/jByggFwErgidu faEPg9JVMZ/ZQypHaAC+NI6ahBLKxpgYVU3S2Ct1haRp83TYuyMhjuyrjOddxu8Y+C4p apzIKPSb2YXJbeLZToX6SBCIDkn+bW2XWrGKU= Received: by 10.90.100.17 with SMTP id x17mr3847565agb.19.1214753703603; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm231421yxk.4.2008.06.29.08.35.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5D13600A5AE941D699294ABCD428F9E3@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com><3560B94B6C7A46B783E7DB720B1FD35E@p4audrey> <7.0.1.0.2.20080629074905.039e20e0@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:35:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4e052ab-6c4b-4192-9ca9-27a92417d4d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4867ABC4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:35:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > that the inner seam, the one that runs inside the elbow, is whipped, on > the outside, with a fairly hefty "gold" thread. Yes, almost every Spanish gown I've looked at has this detail. Hard to know if this is gold cord, and if it serves a fuction other than decorative... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 12:06:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5TG6sr9001661 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:06:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5TG6ma8022274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5TG6YTQ035221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TG6X3M014280; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TG6V6E014248 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so890089wra.23 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=/lNBI6FJ59uAk7Ti7YSHVEhZsA58/B26/olhitBnRpA=; b=Ba0j/1fToE6Nk6shoB0hGbZW/Kqhd9dilKFVeoOSTZVOVSuDEUnqb++m1UmLXSdh8+ UFwFyCdjshFgOo7xc/60OYOSJiK7fWTzFfj59sTs7CABwjC4y3nlsZJoB1yd/fmkIqPA Xg5FYoctL+42+hejP3FQE3dAGMF/lU8rJifGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=KMLDJxem3yg9HHae7AznXickTMwT2W29yZRwRVTbsA3LdIBCruwzxAkQxFz031ps3F c4sUyq+E2qTjArf4Qs22rrizOrzHzARDYG6JqdNXvwBsqd/Y2i5gjz8cVI7QpBVrBPH6 5B8Ec0Z4I1pE0ilVyc7mFz6sa8aeRabihuYnw= Received: by 10.90.114.19 with SMTP id m19mr3883851agc.32.1214755590539; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm932469yxq.8.2008.06.29.09.06.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "SCA Garb" , "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:05:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b2ad3b0-3271-452e-8bcf-8c0cd7ed82dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4867B318.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good afternoon! Yes, it's me again! I still want to make this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Anna_de_Austria1.jpg I found a pattern in Acega (the very last one, on the folded sheet, if you have it). My problem: every painting of the Spanish style of the time shows unpleated skirts, at least in front. Alcega's pattern produces a skirt that would have to be pleated (the front panels alone are 28 cm each at the waist, as indicated on the pattern, and the back panels are even wider). What would you do? Follow Alcega, or follow the portraits of the period? Heeelllppp! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 12:30:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5TGUfBX003334 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:30:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5TGUZBl017691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:30:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5TGU7UZ036698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TGU7v4029440; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TGU4qk029327 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3105B131536 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:29:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4867C685.9040601@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:29:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> In-Reply-To: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7ed81b2-fcbe-4834-bcbe-0d51ef319690 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4867B8AB.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > My problem: every painting of the Spanish style of the time shows > unpleated skirts, at least in front. Alcega's pattern produces a skirt > that would have to be pleated (the front panels alone are 28 cm each > at the waist, as indicated on the pattern, and the back panels are > even wider). > > What would you do? Follow Alcega, or follow the portraits of the period? FWIW, the skirts in Patterns of Fashion are flat for several inches in the front, and then deeply pleated on the sides and back. I think that's what I'd do. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 12:34:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5TGY2oI003674 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:34:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5TGXuY8003413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5TGXbdE036895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TGXbAC031739; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.247.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TGXYgi031664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-16-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.16.101]:2046 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCzqC-0007TP-Qt for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:33:29 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080629173131.039e6830@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:33:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <937671.73890.qm@web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <79584.68734.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <937671.73890.qm@web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 092424e2-e91e-4815-9f40-4b7d5efe42cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4867B974.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 15:09 29/06/2008, you wrote: >I have an early edition of this book from oh umteen years ago >now...and I Hoope some of the problems have been fixed. I have a lot >of prolems with the patterns "matching up" and ended upi having to >redraft curve and things myself inorder to make them work... but it >was a great book for ideas. >Bambi > >Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL > "From the Neck Up" I have also had problems with this book - the text and instructions are fine, but I struggled with the patterns, and in fact think that some of them are just not made the way I would do them. Suzi >I am made for great things by GOD > >and walk with Pride!!!! > >Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad > >(please correct me if i have the date wrong!) > >--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Kimiko Small wrote: >From: Kimiko Small >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions >To: "Historical Costume" >Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:59 PM > >Hi Zuzana, > >Are you looking for books on millinery making in general? If so I suggest From >the Neck Up, which you can get at http://www.hatbook.com/ . > >If you are looking for a book just on medieval and renaissance hats >in general, >I've yet to find one myself, so I too would love to know of any books on the >subject. The Tudor Tailor book does have a few patterns for medieval and >Elizabethan hats, hoods, and coifs, along with other clothing patterns and >info. The only hat focused stuff I've yet to find are usually people's >bad interpretations of any particular styles (ie visor French Hoods), or are >hand redrawn images of people's portraits (ie: Wilcox's The Mode in >Hats and Headdress, which is usually more expensive than I am willing to pay >for redrawings.) > >The other options have been picking up various hat patterns from those who do >them well, such as Lynn McMasters' patterns http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/. >I've also found a few places on the 'net, such as Cynthia Virtues site >on medieval hats (and other stuff): http://www.virtue.to/articles/ > >If you, or anyone else knows a good book on medieval and renaissance hats, I >would love to know. > >Kimiko > > >--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > What book would you suggest? Or books, if I wanted > > one for theory and one for recreating and constructing > > techniques? I found some useful tips in the Medieval > > tailor's assistant, but that's about it. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 20:41:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5U0fUGM032125 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:41:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5U0fML4022413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5U0eslG069240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5U0el8b057050; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5U0ehI2057018 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:40:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AAE9722100B2; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:38:01 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:40:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c8da49$e7d4cd50$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjaAc2kanDe7CULTNe5TBW6zuQkgAAR+pug In-Reply-To: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 895ed506-2048-4342-b1e8-dca61fbb84f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48682BB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maybe the skirts are flat in front, under the pointed bodice, then pleated at side and back. It just doesn't show much in the portrait, but there is fullness you can see at the side bottom of the skirt. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:06 AM To: SCA Garb; Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown Good afternoon! Yes, it's me again! I still want to make this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Anna_de_Austria1.jpg I found a pattern in Acega (the very last one, on the folded sheet, if you have it). My problem: every painting of the Spanish style of the time shows unpleated skirts, at least in front. Alcega's pattern produces a skirt that would have to be pleated (the front panels alone are 28 cm each at the waist, as indicated on the pattern, and the back panels are even wider). What would you do? Follow Alcega, or follow the portraits of the period? Heeelllppp! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 06:10:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UAACuf031821 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:10:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UAA7T8010648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UA9Yjo094288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UA9TBJ095253; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UA9R2j095218 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so206523ugc.17 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yfXcvfP3NO6yj3OXbzkOoslqKjz6jwjz4u/Kh0cDsxU=; b=iBtlP2tsy4fKKfw9U4WfnD+DPYPg4OYsJu2rkNGIkxlRsvuZ0c5HOzBss7cA2OOkMk c1kCGcKvDbfftVOkkIgLafghQkgieuBrhvD8n35FQ6buC6f7IOxfL0osJ7fqbcY79v6m 6P6mx0LwXe/gWP035zk/+y9M2X0WZe6cXlkZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NhmkPSckv756633hckgXtC7G9IvMqJ8y2Fgp9th4qQ+ghD6b/z7IVv1jZbnAPYfwXI nyY1AvrFKhE1ycClu5ZOE48N/h/sLgpCqKMyOd2sUl0d6HdvbIhf9s0S/7jxYZ/jRdMh AO774G2wIliYmWdVVnM6FurEZq6SpQSbr9u44= Received: by 10.67.102.6 with SMTP id e6mr3645900ugm.82.1214820565742; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:09:25 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d3bfdc9-29c9-4b2e-bf06-1a3bc18df714 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4868B0FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:10:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > My problem: every painting of the Spanish style of the time shows unpleated > skirts, at least in front. Alcega's pattern produces a skirt that would have > to be pleated (the front panels alone are 28 cm each at the waist, as > indicated on the pattern, and the back panels are even wider). As mentioned in my earlier email I follow Alcega, waide waistline and all. I found the side seams of the skirt matched up nicely to the side back seams of the bodice which meant the fullness of the back of the skirt is arranged into a very narrow space. I found if I made the front narrower and tried getting the seam to the side proper then the whole skirt sat strangely. That was both with my test and final skirt. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valoisdiary.htm This is not linked to from my main site pages as I am in the process of shifting all the diaries to a new section. And last night I found confirmation of my theory: http://www.kalipedia.com/arte/tema/pintura.html?x=20070718klparthis_89.Kes&ap=3 While I have my doubts that this is Coello (the feel of the painting is very Netherlandish) and it is post-mortem, the figure with her back to us is Isabel de Valois ( http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/isabeldevalois.htm compare the orange dress to the one in the above painting) and she appears to have pleats that correspond to the pleats in my dress: Back: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/otherhistoric/dress_1.jpg Front: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/otherhistoric/valoisportfolio.jpg Except that I do have a *little* more fullness than in the painting! I'm going to put the pleats into permanent folds by roll pleating later in the year as I think that will help keep the exess fabric right in the very back where I want it and the tension in the pleats will keep the fabric from falling too far forward. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 09:06:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UD6Oms021947 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UD6FSm010488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UD5wUE004639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UD5uWP026914; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:05:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UD5tV6026889 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1081518wra.23 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:05:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tO/+lKVvNQxf9nriiDC2VypVvWP8SaC3h6+SiXmSr5Y=; b=QUVbnd0vEfELKjKbmsWY3Sse68NQbbTulSJiADdvdQDw/rM5t402ss4rjRCoAEJHH4 Wg3yLqG2LHvonKEdwPDAsu9uAHkVXUPb1KEicu1/XWt4WL6UfbzT0PpqJMg1iMvR2OAV fhb/HV/KnV4UgavnUQDz5DXIgPh6gr9pvQ4Ts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OLNNQGdk8cQfuCDyn4BOijjVN8ZrlWTL1XpO+NcJK8zq4F/LUFTEMrC+bOb2CLoYMS TbPkE+te+YfInzxX/EtRMSz+hLIKeqSRw7WNOfIj2N7Utt7GozE7lgA0m4Vmt23wqPNf stE8GylMI/2pHUqsXUj29XJlQe0dKkZ4neYDY= Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr4953334aga.87.1214831154718; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.102.17 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:05:54 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1086857-feb2-4db1-9893-6280e849011e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4868DA47.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > As mentioned in my earlier email I follow Alcega, waide waistline and > all. That's what I'm going to do too. It's just too tempting an idea to say I've made the dress from an actual pattern of the time :-) > I found the side seams of the skirt matched up nicely to the side > back seams of the bodice which meant the fullness of the back of the > skirt is arranged into a very narrow space. This won't work for me, though. The front panels alone are wide enough to go completely around my waist. I'll have to pleat at the sides as well as the back. > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valoisdiary.htm Wow, cool! Loooong diary! > While I have my doubts that this is Coello (the feel of the painting > is very Netherlandish) and it is post-mortem, the figure with her back > to us is Isabel de Valois Doesn't feel Spanish at all, does it? I was thinking it looked English. In any case, it looks Northern to me... Thank you! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 09:42:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UDgSkl023841 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:42:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UDgMrk004882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:42:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UDg6NC009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDg4v3062382; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDg35J062347 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so231851ugc.17 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iEM8YHsdmCRM+fk9XY5LXcsvu07qRcKu5j2/Mc31/AU=; b=SfJz/hojXp7Gw/Uk/5xCVNak6YHtB/5N6FuLVcKmYOZ1sUXIiQvX3CRCnTU0DvDDfR 832alk/F317BCtI4A4By4D1EqYLk2ZKTSGVctrekgqcgCxVIk1iAPuyex98x5POlta1g rYapOhrM1zCrpACwxdbPRyh0zts7MqfqjQ7ng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eq18IL6XyExomKnj0X+fGz4PVveNPXtMFCedpypAzlbR/RPlce7WyLLUbAM3a/4/8v DuZc8z1xRyaxV7uujfXk5hn6/Si8TWiOMlzwQebgd64B/7ZJ3jL155cg5qEJGgMUCdD5 iEoCCiO+oXX2JFLRthwDM/gaCYjCUUGDScuFA= Received: by 10.66.244.11 with SMTP id r11mr3793291ugh.47.1214833322018; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.12 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806300642y2a9b576dr28d7e77507b6dccb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:42:01 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34975c4c-5024-43f8-9d06-5066752c6952 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4868E2BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > This won't work for me, though. The front panels alone are wide enough > to go completely around my waist. I'll have to pleat at the sides as > well as the back. I scaled the pattern to fit me, so I went by the proportions on the pattern: I took my length from waist to floor for a guide to the height, then noted that the side seams matched the side back bodice, used my measurement for that, then used the angle for the skirt side seams to get my final measurement. Using the front panel I was able to work out the back panel. I suppose the method I used is based very much on the method of scaling up used in Kohler. I just find it gives a really good and easy way of scaling up proportionally. Oh yeah and to add more fun to the mix. None of the extant items has that tuck in the front of the skirt. Not the two cut down dresses for the statues, not the little girl's c1600 dress. Alcega does not mention them. What I suspect is that the seam that lies across the front of the faldallin (the half circle petticoats as opposed to gored) became a fashion feature. It's entirely possible this seam (which falls exactly as the tucks in the paintings do) crossed over into artwork, or the skirts were on occasion cut the same way. I don't really think so though given the pattern repeats in portraits don't bear this out. And the faldallin are cut so there is no vertical seam in the front. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 09:47:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UDlcEU024045 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:47:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UDlUxr030269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:47:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UDlF7B009910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDlFWX067826; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDlDZi067791 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1096068wra.23 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=parasf8kOzH0yjWb7OBLPb63NeFUi5AyZOX99LuUuNg=; b=oPN/cjXO77fCWu/DjPp2agrUngtGLBFSI3wrVXxihL6ZOf0fqZ/kqIRf6Pgs5BhL9D oG9PufytblJCy1H84cZ7jM5gJVGrM5lmHPOLoItXqv+qH0uTg+rXwkyapvHcmVh4zGPf NcQRQOPrN4VnVFiMiBdXbGfOfnno22Td4xYVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FcPHtj8orPtsPhZ/AxWSFLXKIyK3UXcAYyO8xXgdmNhTx4P+kc4xenLJZkjxCZPaoc FXNj1e/93pFjptcApDT+gOm3dgB7MPp2L713k8Ho6bkXR4MjIoVhCWGqUeRfKeOUxADc 4CAuQuBpiATlrJO1PYrv3fw1V/KDRtkkuC3QY= Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr4991821agb.95.1214833633486; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:47:13 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d272443f-a595-4a2b-959d-3c3c43854d38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4868E3F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > > > While I have my doubts that this is Coello (the feel of the painting > > is very Netherlandish) and it is post-mortem, the figure with her back > > to us is Isabel de Valois > > Doesn't feel Spanish at all, does it? I was thinking it looked > English. In any case, it looks Northern to me... > http://www.kalipedia.com/arte/tema/pintura.html?x=20070718klparthis_89.Kes&ap=3 Since I don't have any understanding of the language this site is in, can someone who does, check and see if they tell of the medium for the painting? If it's an oil painting and on panel (wood of some sort) it's more likely to be Northern, while canvas was more typically used for oil paintings in Italy, Spain, and France in this period. There are exceptions to this generalization, of course, but the Northern painters favored wood, the Southern painters favored canvas - it wasn't until sometime after this period that the Northern painters also moved to canvas as well. alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 09:55:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UDtMGd024517 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UDtCUR010537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UDsvZ9010840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDsvus075506; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UDstF3075471 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:54:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1098773wra.23 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aDSXkdRrXIgeiqKRdWn8IMdX01HrtCaoJqPQumOZ1wY=; b=k7RSoTi7AkypNlDCHyft70eyTREAy835Ei7k+cdRphjKI2qIT+pqtMR5Tsu/74T8+7 phgEPgGpNBi/wrbU4fCR2C6uTJvlCmsNoL9x3eOioNDz8Xts6cWexmZ2tXfRx8ofjZ2E zOI+Srz/ZCO3qJbtsgvVsycE1YdiNXUKSrZ38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NDAEprcRDyDGEVgFK4exVmlR8a73VcT0FskmTZmNnZq38S6mYhCj4Mbl9Df7fsbEwi XWvpOhsx4kqJrZlS0U1PluqKMj7hdO+1mcsPtWRybqS8aMuZufRQz5A1nolgNBdu2+Gv +KUVvyPPjMWOtCsB286Z7lvF6f/OxlhFM6K3w= Received: by 10.90.95.18 with SMTP id s18mr5034067agb.55.1214834095416; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.102.17 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0806300654i500137eaxe6d670470311f011@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:54:55 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36e01196-e7e2-45d4-8bb0-4d4a4818014b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4868E5C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:55:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > http://www.kalipedia.com/arte/tema/pintura.html?x=20070718klparthis_89.Kes&ap=3 > > Since I don't have any understanding of the language this site is in, > can someone who does, check and see if they tell of the medium for the > painting? They don't, unfortunately. Interesting remarks about the support though! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 11:23:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UFN34A027832 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:23:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UFMuq8008697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UFLZf1024472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UFLXkG077838; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UFLVxE077795 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so283409ana.65 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=N1BeJFA+j+c9qMIezRrwVwUY1vkutemdaJ9X/7eOaZ8=; b=XBLp2ZPY1774+OPsSnn5a1ty8RbKRIZNrKSz7Ns1Ucpmb0Sqv/woDROfWhH1BOhJSA dxnJ0Z0FWJTvtE7CkgwSVkapWi8d6FnrSdQHo+HAupi0xPRYXGcwOoJVssvjqHIddBBJ QaApAf8DFkHOQM9RMQss2np0fQW4C+m9dp7Sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=QOCY03mijiblnp9wEpy14wE66l1RP5ut5z3Xn+MOU/4rRo+SIByEWBxjIfCDIR6AVG a/qeoyo45Off22v/OjAXPgUZJbubKqa9CV02quX70LEtUZCpnhd19uXgc8pTkP1XIYUI xnsGb7k5mtoS06ggs9gpmFNmctx4odrvO2U18= Received: by 10.100.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr1004585ank.24.1214839290768; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:21:30 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0806271011y56a80ab9se4583fdc445610df@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc250ba4-aa20-484b-ad5d-29b37149ef59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4868FA50.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Turns out Tammy won't be there because yet again Costume College is in the middle of Pennsic, which accounts for a good part of her annual sales! But I'm hoping to find some willing dealer. I'm also inquiring about some other things at CC, so we'll see. By the way, I discovered yesterday that it's available for pre-order at barnes & noble. Wheee!!! http://search.barnesandnoble.com/A-Compendium-of-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/e/9780981840109/?itm=1 MaggiRos ~just too excited . . . On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Maggie wrote: > I should talk to Tammy (TL Barnes) and Hedgehog Handworks to see if > they they want to stock it. Since I don't have a space in the > Merchants' room, it could be awkward selling out of a hotel room :-) > Thanks for the idea! > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 15:51:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UJp27u007977 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UJoupw013695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UJfJKt054505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UJfE1G084609; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:41:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m5UJfCDX084476 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34370 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2008 19:41:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=URjS2do1Rq7kwYpKijFcW55nOm3kK9jHQazK1gnPlBmzHBZ6mh335huk1ruMDLkI5svG0ibpjwISTPlM8mqx9dp6vFhd1aeneK7DLtrRx+DclXDJ4HjCBCzkhs7uhXJgo++vUurwUuX87vSZLuNzFoqCb6KVCmNbEo5vqXYCNqg=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:41:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <562346.34143.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a06938b6-0329-4126-9b08-ee31a5e881ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48693920.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Perhaps AlterYears? Or there is one other bookseller, that sits behind Dragon's Treasure near the second door, but I don't remember their name and I am not seeing them listed in the CC web site. They sell used books, and some new ones, too. Bob & Lisa from Dragon's Treasure knows them, as they are friends. I am sadly blanking on the lady's name. Kimiko --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Maggie wrote: > From: Maggie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:21 AM > Turns out Tammy won't be there because yet again Costume > College is in > the middle of Pennsic, which accounts for a good part of > her annual > sales! But I'm hoping to find some willing dealer. > I'm also inquiring > about some other things at CC, so we'll see. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 18:02:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m5UM2qmw014244 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:02:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5UM2kpr016093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:02:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5UM2Maa069393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UM2Kuh042093; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5UM2Isf041991 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m5UM2A4N017130 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:02:12 GMT Message-ID: <006401c8dafc$f3e82430$054dc446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:02:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Patterns on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40897ac3-1ff8-44f4-8462-4ee0f28791d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48695806.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! I've put a few of my patterns on eBay, if anyone wants to get them at a discount. One is at 1/3 the usual price, the 1825-1830 Day Dress. It is a size Small. I have reworked the pattern to include all sizes 2-30, so I am letting go of my old stock. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 20:09:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m61099rF023023 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:09:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m610927w014714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:09:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6108V25080414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6108R61059618; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6108QKq059602 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1193673wah.3 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=R1iPQXd21GhxWfJEsVvBAt26Gh7g6A8BE/LAgSCU22Y=; b=L8FRnFLJOW10J8VHoIlT7yKFlIeGmWe9nLAWxGSPJM4NW+OWaJje/6UiGTsT2n8T5f Lf3DQ7DZ+CeR2c7hHdytgHOP4IcTdXg7kyiNOnyeb4/7DpB8zKXQYYxrNVCLJ+ZQP+Dt xUaDJ6QY9Z499MnVZ5joxvJcJfjxWVVNXdJBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Kn3MOAbXOBBXzJ2jGCbB0eWMJtwphsxlksHxBQCuDZN5rkn75TNPuIoP4I6qqtIUMz 78JFSDvOJ9B4vjiEdk+8Ti746nZFDa+1bl7Njm+hRORWZ5iAWfFqtRnfMZ0Xt55gpYWq xEf7DNiH/1Axls4f1cYuOp/hPZb5zpzb/YivU= Received: by 10.114.132.5 with SMTP id f5mr4893339wad.201.1214870906295; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.107.10 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0806301708t1b7a1dc0m2cc5f751f56eabb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:08:26 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" , gbacgcostumers@yahoogroups.com, cgwcostumers@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Costume College 2008 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e29b19d-72b3-4ac4-8ca2-a3c5c6e618c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4869759E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:09:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (Sorry for the cross post.) My friend purchased a non-member membership to Costume College (at $95) and now finds she can't attend. Since she's out of email connection today, I promised I'd send a message to you all to see if anyone is interested in taking over her membership. If you're interested, please contact her directly at pinkdepforddoll@gmail.com and mention Costume College membership in your subject line. Thanks, LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 21:09:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m61191Vl025908 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:09:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6118tn0001414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:08:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6118TqT084038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6118Sf2001122; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6118Pkb001082 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so327826ugc.17 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GDYgVaFoGwo0Q0V1j56q0GXlIFVslzdSiHSo0njI14w=; b=JArbPN+fhhsMQ+DG1xpJN3xNh8J5UM3oh9j4Skf7rgbqTbe4mT/dnQxwPGPSTw3WHP 1n3obPK2X7JcTUGckGKMvsZ8BKhBZo/VD1uA2zbzZXGilO2YoXPpa6mubKGlqqZeM3a4 lKguL5tsQC6QVFNk5cHSoRrJG8MiP5KhgjWO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gHPMOExr4/B/3uP1Koz0gYnumGQkkIsrho0eChgR8/G+TiYZJm1MS+9svL0cNiynt6 wBtXaFAV5oU/v9cySMgHXHu+UieO/dhi/wlieblO6IEwd6huUhsxh6tJTRYglVq1QIWn zAIe4KPuHYHUOFbhEjj7qwbvOsbUmAEpjjjhw= Received: by 10.67.40.15 with SMTP id s15mr8876ugj.67.1214874504378; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0806301808y3bda0534n7a668938a0787331@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:08:24 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac27f275-4c56-49d1-b5f3-499876fbf01d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486983A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:08:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > http://www.kalipedia.com/arte/tema/pintura.html?x=20070718klparthis_89.Kes&ap=3 > Since I don't have any understanding of the language this site is in, > can someone who does, check and see if they tell of the medium for the > painting? If it's an oil painting and on panel (wood of some sort) > it's more likely to be Northern, while canvas was more typically used > for oil paintings in Italy, Spain, and France in this period. Oh! That makes sense! Recently I judged an SCA A&S contest and in the "household" class was a lovely bookbinding display, including a reprint of an article. In it it discusses that the majority of book covers from the North are made from wood while most of those from Italy are made from pasting layers of the first pages together- this was from a single though large collection. I do wonder if it has anything to do with bora and other wildlife that eats wood as the few wooden book covers from Italy are full of such creatures. I did initially find the image on another site and it is also available on AllPosters.com http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Uczta_monarsza.jpg Then again as there were several Northern Artists at work in spain at various times it would not really mean it is invalid (Anthonis Mor, Juan di Flandres, Peter paul Pourbus etc etc) but it may mean the painting was meant for a client further north. Hmmm his painting of the Port of Seville in 1498 also shows the same looseness of style. http://www.allposters.com/-st/Alonso-Sanchez-Coello-Posters_c65778_.htm That may have been oil on canvas (according to another poster site). Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 22:57:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m612vP4E030380 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:57:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m612vIEW024267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m612uwPi090429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m612uvxL073070; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m612ut4a073047 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so315575hsz.15 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0wyL82kpVzp5Zr8nvfD/cmKIs20hkWYBbBEhAlbiPj0=; b=U9KaE1teZFlI8IAWqb53O79Xe5eLJFidVVXSSFaGJxd6hjO0hwpDPk5T5pbPdTgvZo 8ev7s5o7xF1CHtBgiB3SvVSX5YEMvdETR6iC22ZCuAukVZjsfpukuC8ldyLRncRVZiDi NNE/5WEWUYS+c5432j2BVA8XgCM+NF19AlnNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cSwD9Nq3JRHRwJq6ICSGUUNUErxYr6gwu9BPKbRzMcTuY7H6/Dlu0HdN3ZO0eB2lsw 5Ec3ntRTy9R1b2aee4nZGgDO2s5/vLsfGENeKmKzBauKso1ILyBtY6XWzr5BzWW3u7Be g3d39qp/M79sHdSqj/juXUL+njgtXYZ75LACA= Received: by 10.90.120.17 with SMTP id s17mr5951961agc.91.1214881015201; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590806301956h37e147dclba00d2748846e051@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:56:55 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0806301808y3bda0534n7a668938a0787331@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0806300309x7196a866if641755d879e7813@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0806300605x5a54a234hbbbec7115f2290a4@mail.gmail.com> <870801590806300647u1be79f0boc05fb5b665f76128@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0806301808y3bda0534n7a668938a0787331@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 579736b5-35df-47db-a8f6-598381115579 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48699D0E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:57:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Oh! That makes sense! Recently I judged an SCA A&S contest and in the > "household" class was a lovely bookbinding display, including a > reprint of an article. In it it discusses that the majority of book > covers from the North are made from wood while most of those from > Italy are made from pasting layers of the first pages together- this > was from a single though large collection. I do wonder if it has > anything to do with bora and other wildlife that eats wood as the few > wooden book covers from Italy are full of such creatures. > > I did initially find the image on another site and it is also > available on AllPosters.com > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Uczta_monarsza.jpg > I think most of the art historians think it has to do with climate. It's much easier to get air to the back of a canvas panel than it is to a wooden one, and warpage was a big issue. Climate was one of the major influences that encouraged oil painting to be "developed" in the North, made popular and then have it move South. I say "developed" because it was used earlier than the credited "discovery" of oil painting, of about 1410 by Hubert or John Van Eyck. Prior to this, the means to dry an oil painting involved sitting it in the sun. Which if it wasn't done right, could cause the paint to crackle, ruining a painting before it might even be finished. It's believed probably Hubert, the older brother did some experimenting with additives to the oil to get something that would dry in the shade and not be quite so temperamental. into the fifteen century there's comments by the Flemish artists that comment on those outrageous Italians that paint on canvas, and once the painting is dry to roll it and carry it about. Anyway, I did a survey of 16th century portraits recently and it did seem to follow that the Northern areas, England included did more panel paintings, and Italy, France and Spain were more canvas oriented. Oh, and if anyone cares, it didn't seem to matter if you were royalty or just in that upper class as to the size of the portrait painting, or proportions of the piece - though a ratio similar to the standard canvases available today was used. alex looking at paintings because they're paintings these days, rather than just for the costume content, but finding much of the accumulative library working with this new study as well as the old subjects. -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 23:59:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m613xNgY000396 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:59:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m613xGlS000592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m613wn7G094453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m613wkSK015792; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m613whpE015702 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=AUo9OL46LLwjZQttwdA2Qu9WASnlQ2yvzwM8wgI8C2b57nYLjQtqNzf+uApEaR7P; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KDX0o-0001Eu-7m for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080630224049.058e1a20@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:41:32 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <562346.34143.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562346.34143.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53b9304a7c94e3279c7fb2f6a629934ec9d216fceafc8bb8c4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84de5088-a0c5-4d6f-a2f8-51a53432e013 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4869AB94.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Probably Margaret Mannatt, aka The Gilded Bat. Sandy At 02:41 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >Perhaps AlterYears? Or there is one other bookseller, that sits >behind Dragon's Treasure near the second door, but I don't remember >their name and I am not seeing them listed in the CC web site. They >sell used books, and some new ones, too. Bob & Lisa from Dragon's >Treasure knows them, as they are friends. I am sadly blanking on the >lady's name. > >Kimiko > > >--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Maggie wrote: > > > From: Maggie > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:21 AM > > Turns out Tammy won't be there because yet again Costume > > College is in > > the middle of Pennsic, which accounts for a good part of > > her annual > > sales! But I'm hoping to find some willing dealer. > > I'm also inquiring > > about some other things at CC, so we'll see. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 00:18:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m614I21d001056 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m614HvIL015218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m614HetN095419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m614Herj028200; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m614HbSb028125 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72864 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2008 04:17:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6HQ2W2PwyUBjqr5zWBzXCbFNqsLb0/gdB9KYvZalDCE/3TSSp222NIvZX88fRB+/+KGXVtiYwrBBEJmsk9wUH0pdt+WAGlHjCh6/yq4QKFVv1H9Fcg6qWfl4pYPE3+/PJR3j9StXtE8q7RalAqIGllmNrpld6QwwsCNT/XTjwoI=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:17:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080630224049.058e1a20@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <892437.72526.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Compendium of Common Knowledge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3da40ee-afd0-4d72-9087-1508e531f937 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4869AFF5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:18:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, I do believe that is correct. I just couldn't remember their business name at all, and her name was slipping from my swiss cheese memory, but I could remember her face. She's always so nice to talk to. Kimiko --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Probably Margaret Mannatt, aka The Gilded Bat. > > Sandy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 00:20:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m614K4GC001125 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m614K0Ur016260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m614JYa2095513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m614JYPV029292; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m614JUq5029218 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kSUx1Z0010lTkoCA304i00; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:19:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kUKP1Z0084jAXBL8QUKQPV; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:19:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NNk-eivwn3MA:10 a=fpETGaTSf1cA:10 a=y6xetyolsoZNqPGzTJwA:9 a=sXtSUdTBq3DKgmpu7A7OqVBqCzoA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4867C685.9040601@reddawn.net> References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <4867C685.9040601@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <2F355D86-0F3E-4B1C-B844-C15A7DB44B9A@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:17:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fe4f448-09d4-4e52-9bd5-a76c5601a78d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4869B070.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO While we're on the subject of Spanish gowns...I'm very intrigued with the Spanish Mourning gown, as seen in Alcega. It looks like a front buttoned doublet bodice and conical skirt in the front, but the back is one piece, very flared from the shoulders, with a false bodice underneath it, just like the saque backed gowns of the 18th century. I've drafted it, and hope to get around to making up a prototype, with an eventual aim of producing it as a pattern. I think it would be good for those of us whose weight fluctuates, or for theatrical or rental wardrobes, and even for that awkward stage of pregnancy when none of your regular clothes fit but you don't really look pregnant yet. I'm wondering about that "mourning" name, though. Is anyone familiar with Spanish mourning customs of the period, who could tell me why on earth such a gown would be labeled thus? Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume