From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 14:46:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m61IkNW1029931 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:46:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m61IkEAt019315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m61IjnMS058737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m61IjiO0089911; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m61Ijd7G089776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DA879D48A0; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 Received: from Crerar (dsl-v45-216-110-230-143.wightman.ca [216.110.230.143]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B5ED416D for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:45:28 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <002001c8dbaa$a1961530$e4c23f90$@ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjbpKr+v6l7ptP3RnudorZv1DQshwABdx3g Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {A21C77B1-BF62-4CDB-9D5C-01BFB5682BB2} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: BCgT BS3r B40P CRyq DmiY Drd+ D5cx D/ZH ECvb EZ8q E/e7 FFoY FJ5z FWkb H2+2 IfgQ; 1; aAAtAGMAbwBzAHQAdQBtAGUAQABpAG4AZAByAGEALgBjAG8AbQA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {A21C77B1-BF62-4CDB-9D5C-01BFB5682BB2}; bABnAHMAdABlAHAAaABAAHcAaQBnAGgAdABtAGEAbgAuAGMAYQA=; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:45:25 GMT; UgBFADoAIABQAGEAdAB0AGUAcgBuAHMAIABvAG4AIABlAEIAYQB5AA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4fed761-5f3d-4af4-a7ab-ce914f241bcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486A7B76.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do you have a URL for the patterns, Deb? What should we look under? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry publisher of=A0 books by Lorina Stephens purveyor of quality custom shower doors by Gary Stephens Now Available: Shadow Song, by Lorina Stephens =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 Recipes of a Dumb Housewife,=A0by=A0Lorina=A0Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org - http://5riversnews.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 20:53:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m620rMIL015384 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:53:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m620rHwh014707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m620qhkn084170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m620qekm003867; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:52:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m620qcAa003825 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so473724ugc.17 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:52:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=srt4tFeKmOJeqSUbCUwzu/LvA6DCJOu5Frg7WyfZU6U=; b=ZyDULZXymPS0MuIhVVVcaxcBN3ibeSVyk193kSghWzDK/oYClYUD4IePpALMiD3dP3 AmUWaVKTsgrCGGJJmO97/MyKMgZ8QZB6ZOBSQ4+ThMdyTkD/NbKza24FLITO/6LN/63P h8rxl5kQ6i9zUWrxQjWS6NPhg31tiuF1BNySQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=xFZcPvGy2iaXZ7jBHm9gI3TKPoz+HUnGv+zyBB0YRe2IJUcf6/D5s+JsJw6ZxYWEjI dY7wYt8P+iYSUsVsEOfYzqnNdc8d6WpRDzk/Bk32mKtYrFbMEsHt226Srw3jLBS+tiAQ CpSbU7UbNzcTcdZ/u4vesuk+8F3DCqroeKVUU= Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr690491ugh.39.1214959957213; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0807011752n42cff6c8p77e24eda3dbf5cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:52:36 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <41EA68815AD9484F93308B6E0FB1833C@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> <41EA68815AD9484F93308B6E0FB1833C@p4audrey> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with Alcega was: Re: Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52c5515b-c412-4a8b-b4e9-4df0acb6d6bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486AD17D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:53:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I'm very tempted to cut my fabric in strips 56 cm wide, then use the > pattern almost as is, once I solve the waist width problem. Any tips? > Insight? This is how I have cut mine :) I folded my fabric in half and cut in the fold, which is sort of like cutting 2 single widths of period silk. As my waist to floor length is proportionally quite long I wound up having to piece my front panels as well. As mentioned I tried cutting the fronts narrower (to just the width of the cut fabric) but it sat very badly on my hoops and so I gave up and just continued with my proportional method. I took the sloping sides of the pattern piece and extended the line up and down until I wound up with a triangle with the apex on the CF and CB lines. I then look my waist to side back measurement and found where that would sit between the CF and sloping lines. Then I took my waist to floor measurement and went from the waist line down the CF line and from waist down the sloping line. Then connected the two in an arc. For the back I started in a similar manner but worked out the CB line as a ratio of the CF line and ditto for the waist. I then followed the line of the hem and chopped some of the train off! I lobe long trains but I decided that long enough was long enough. I even made scale diagrams of the original to match the 1/8 patterns in PoF (and the c1600 Spanish girl's dress in Payne's book) and compared proportions of front and back panels and decided that yes, the back needed to be wider and that I needed to scale it up to fit me. While the Alcega patterns don't show piecing in the front skirt panels the extant items can. Also the Spanish girl's dress has a back panel wider than the front as does the Dorothea Sabine and another little girl's dress in poF. The Eleanora and Dorothea Maria though have narrower back panels than the front. My Valois gown with the full hanging sleeves only took 8m of 112cm wide fabric and as mentioned with a long waist to floor length that's quite impressive, especially with that train! I adpated the farthingale pattern too. I don't know if you have noticed but all the skirts look very long compared to the bodices and appear to be a similar length to the farthingale. For this reason I really recommend not putting in tucks but rather sew on channels as we know was done. There are plenty of texts in Corsets and Crinolines and Hispanic Costume to show the use of contrasting or matching channels. My farthingale is currently in the process of an Extreme Makeover (much like the home show it will not have any part of the original left ;) It's going to be bright lime green (if possible) in a silk twill I bought in pistachio green, and have wine toned velvet casings if I can budget it. There will also be enough to make a matching corset (corpo baxo/corpino) though they tended to match the kirtle- thus why Alcega has them in the same pattern quite often ;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 21:39:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m621dETk018429 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:39:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m621d9HM007956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:39:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m621csWF086257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621cq2E039307; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621cp4l039272 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so476743ugc.17 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:38:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QTbIPxS2b4MklIdD5m09a+5wGJaVQ19DJWdsuyjWS4Y=; b=dgCE4AxrUy8YucaCpJ456W7bQuoWhPGcpbdd2U3iJd/ngUDjCUVxYnhW93cgh6XgtX yORiG1VWtnxxRy0qtHlnHG97Ebxu2UxdIoM1jv0rpOvcOTvXKaZODyvd8obvMsxJD/gq 7vMjE8NFD7gi3udZwAGjRL9ZfZIr83ldFqIsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=H+g0mUD4FR1nmTGk9E8pQceYqmdOFlUusgfD3NoAvjKka0U0SlIXp67t6TmVmbD99L vckLCwmG8HBWSLDxmv6Gc+Ei8qwhtYhob9tlETBRbemPHi/v9Svm2xQ9/nsJm8whmbnH zkJZymQly1S8UrvPIQr1xWgpAW+1QGA83zhwA= Received: by 10.67.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr708663ugi.23.1214962730379; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:38:50 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> <6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 083b4e0f-abf3-4375-b855-1ae11678b421 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486ADC3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> Oh! Yes there is a bit of a layout if you look at an extant gown that >> is laid flat: http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm > > Two things bother me about this sleeve. On the site, she mentions that they > were cut at the top to accomodate the statue, and also they seem to be two > plain triangles, but on actual gowns the slit is not in the front - or is > the sleeve simply worn slightly rotated? "She" is me, it is my site. I'm really not sure what you mean, the sleeve is absolutely fine the way it is it is just the lack of the top of the sleeve head that makes the sleeve look a little odd. What we see on each side is the outside panel, as it lays so flat is it possible the underside matches the outer very well. I also said *probably* cut to fit the satue :) This is my pattern: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/webpatternvaloissleeves.jpg (sorry for the huge text, but I've had this pattern used without any discussion with me and I'd like people to know who created the pattern;) If for no other reason than they can ask me why it is shaped the way it is because it is not normal!) As you can see they are close but not quite the same laid flat as the extant sleeves and rather different to the usual. A lovely lady here created the perfect sleeves for her laurelling ceremony: http://helois.250free.com/projects/gallery_cc.htm Her work is absolutely beautiful and she has gone the route of adapting Alcega et al to reduce the back fullness. http://www.australiancostumersguild.org.au/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=13 This lady has the more usual sleeves as well. I did use the painting of Isabella Clara to work out approximately the angle the top line (shoulder to wrist) would need to be as you can see the brocade pattern neatly interrupted in that portrait in particular. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/1584fdellanaisabella.jpg It also shows the back line of the sleeve to be cut in line with the selvages and the line of the bottom half of the sleeve is angled inwards from wrist to tip (So I think that pattern would wind up looking a bit like a kite if opened up). My sleeve is on the straight at the front because it appears to be so in the Valois portrait. Another point of difference to the usual (note the way the sleeve appears to wave somewhat in the Isabela Clara portrait while in the Valois the sleeves hang very straight (not just because of the weight of the pearls and jewels either!) > I looked at the patterns in Alcega yesterday night, but they didn't tell me > much other than most outer gowns are cut in a semicircle. Which ones are those? Faldallin as a kind of petticoat and the other semi-circular patterns are mantles. And for interest here is the layout I used for my Valois: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/webpatternvalois.jpg The skirt front did not have a join across the front, that is just because I couldn't fit the entire piece on that part of the layout. Oh yes, the doublet was adapted from the pattern of the extant jerkin at the Metropolitan museum: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm Regards, Michela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 21:47:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m621lOIv019070 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:47:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m621lJpu002826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m621l7qd086716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621l7IA046163; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621l5vp046123 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so135344wra.23 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=WWEm2cxq6o2G6mnuYt7XbFFR+Lmk8wOHIRlO3poLqWM=; b=Rf4cssFeqXa8CH2qWl2g7jzs3fpQVJYzIQ71kwZswBw2aHEV19NEbdq8O0GKz0H41I lO2KDICJv0GM2O8WUy933KXm+T1PL+mJyUUKb1QP5+PbpelV5mdNgtLZyfrM68uA2OqA pMz/Dh/o8jp5nAFVQ4+AZV5itUgqPoA5Js75I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=k4r1sia0Q/Hzf7WKxgoBgQAVllAYGoqO39inO2e6JczPF42HTkz8XivFj7MfNZ+v94 8KZDVKVR0yExPRzDRiQSpOHUvK6jlhd0emLVDbRiVNjdJ227NyHi0V4kb3PIA6fERFjW IGtkONOEbskDZTVZwoYOwv2QWAItieIIijymw= Received: by 10.90.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr5203160agc.98.1214963224677; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm1933396wrl.29.2008.07.01.18.47.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64530D4EFBBB456F9FEF7D92B0F1FDD1@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com><41EA68815AD9484F93308B6E0FB1833C@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011752n42cff6c8p77e24eda3dbf5cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:47:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with Alcega was: Re: Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29610fd3-b5c7-490c-99e9-64d262265fc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486ADE27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > me. While the Alcega patterns don't show piecing in the front skirt Ah, the pattern with the long pointed sleeves does, though. It's drawn as a cone, and the point has to be taken off and used to complete the bottom side of the front panel. > Also the Spanish girl's dress has a back panel wider than the front as > does the Dorothea Sabine As well as Alcega, at least that makes sense. > I don't know if you have > noticed but all the skirts look very long compared to the bodices The pattern I'm using seems reasonable enough. the skirt ends up 126 cm long, which is not excessive, if a little long on me (my hoops are 102 cm long and sit 2-3 inches above ground). > Extreme Makeover Please send pics when you're done... > There will also be enough to make a matching corset (corpo > baxo/corpino) though they tended to match the kirtle- thus why Alcega > has them in the same pattern quite often ;) I'm not there yet. I'm using my Margo's Patterns underpinnings. This will be the next step :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 1 21:54:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m621sYMF019366 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m621sSTB000671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m621sCfp087058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621sAot051762; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m621s9oh051741 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so136724wra.23 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=tyY3xI2nCWTlL5lvf74jR+R8SE0DBklJmddBZi4wMFY=; b=lxlPmCW9OxTQr2OkJhft3LUsfYPQatbjNuxuimFX3Xi8T8TTAZZ3C/1d/ndQi/pDTz +GhNKj5X1CNzDtj5pHhinUUzISsDixPfYkcM2leXHtgXJZv+1bAMxkbORcZ+/+jql7HY 3x87yZTzCIuDM0In6/kBBqZHiKAL764deq0pE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=dGGTgKDrRE5md2b4ns9/ITIngcK/YUQws52yswm0lIfk0OZT//EkoYCYtTTeTQtwPN euAZGCSh9DX7a/mF+HFeNzKGW7h3lP4umIveyRYXVn8wvRlCm/JnwxiRtnI0Dhk5/FnQ U1D2LXFEJ6yexdwbcwmbVHqj2y0iLzDKiH2C8= Received: by 10.90.71.16 with SMTP id t16mr7650255aga.75.1214963648809; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm1941986wri.0.2008.07.01.18.54.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com><6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11d7d924-f739-4342-aaab-e10288acd1df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486ADFD5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:54:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > This is my pattern: That's an interesting shape to say the least! > http://www.australiancostumersguild.org.au/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=13 Beautiful! > the bottom half of the sleeve is angled > inwards from wrist to tip (So I think that pattern would wind up > looking a bit like a kite if opened up). More like a bat, actually :-) I'll send pics when I can. The Alcega pattern really is cool. I couldn't figure it out until I traced it on some scrap paper and cut out the shapes. Then it suddenly all made sense :-) Thanks for the patterns. I love seeing your work! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 00:07:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62471YE025702 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:07:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6246uIA027437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:07:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6246WU0094732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6246THO031006; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6246QFv030980 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so485298ugc.17 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3BHOmLjkobQGwZK1UzZXILECN9dEj3myQAvPly3W97k=; b=kiLO6CA8+1efOCAXX25ioZLsOU9cKvhDx/o1g9e/KmS1OOjkv6+EjJjEohkdTTcMAQ PRR8X4XG6Ho5ZPBqv+Lawrv+dO94O0dAVyFnVneE2dIDfoh1kwSUOvxrM1aGpIacB7qi mwmfVyztBEU7A3pbxQ63MDbOA0uKUL35Emjyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RMCoqYXFvY/Fy6nEGGoX2QsUtyf17+KV2j3p+9kWCtrVmRhM/n8x28fGRvHe95TFg4 H8TyMHBeEZbZWFDdQo649SPq6sI2ugpQB09xyJZ/C8eEfrj7BXEfX+NoG/UNgI3PSCW5 0Bpcqi54dVQ9M13H2aaeDFdQZyi0AUb/c7haY= Received: by 10.67.106.13 with SMTP id i13mr756647ugm.37.1214971585577; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0807012106k50edbe29u7b6e6cec0ea3b607@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:06:25 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> <6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9feb7bd1-4760-4455-8c2e-2e429c15689f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486AFEE0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:07:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > More like a bat, actually :-) I'll send pics when I can. The Alcega pattern > really is cool. I couldn't figure it out until I traced it on some scrap > paper and cut out the shapes. Then it suddenly all made sense :-) Yes the Alcega is much narrower than most of the examples in art, so it's not going to be quite the same shape as you would get extrapolating from the art as I was doing. It also has a gentle curve up the back of the arm, which again makes me happier about my own pattern. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 03:57:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m627v3Lx031203 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 03:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m627uwjJ017869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 03:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m627uVwp002734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m627uSQt062651; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m627uONI062560 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bu62Sy+SlTpNquMyfh0XzFEryIbo5qU9bqo6l8x1Qpk9Jkrw/8gfjcdZj2VhflbL; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.175] (helo=Boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KDxCN-0008Ox-6t for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <195A20EF56064C1EACB06D80A1317AF7@Boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:56:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.20661 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd485fd88ce0ffe49293460098c2f7b17cbd85709c4405726f5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.175 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Need pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96ae9800-a7b4-4fe0-86c6-9bf7700f13da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486B34CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi folks, I'm in the middle of making several of Folkwear's #222, vintage vests. I've got them all cut out and the front pockets set, only to find that I'm missing the directions to the view I'm making, and its collar is not the same as the others. I've made this vest before, and I can probably figure it out, but since I need them finished by the end of the week, I really don't want to have to. Does anyone have this pattern and would be willing to scan pages 3 and 4 of the directions and email them to me? I have the first page, just not the rest. Thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 08:09:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62C9ipq008637 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:09:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m62C9c43022121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m62C9G2r013108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62C9DnH037933; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62C9B7u037909 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so386855rvb.11 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:09:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+yLfGCKpoZPtvuMhv4nfp9OkAx0SNe7e7TZ24kP1CUg=; b=LteB3EaIDHS++dKSd9HVqkojWjYc+4zQPcs96HD40d5BO8ZPRRR2OO5h1qAedTsHgJ 4Mszm+3hLrNePz3uliuWqM6D/Kc1B7EyWVEOSPZrId4wiKvaEuFXjYtVGo2DcwkR40lE IOkO3NHlQZUUNu8U7Fbu7S2wiahBUHaCKTpRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bfU7aCzO20FwhrJ9pXOa+R6z0a58BTlN4Iev+uYzd/JuAH8oWNTHGm6Rz+dRMI0NMN YyRuh8in+miApAWmOAyI4HrnlG8Vl99m6m5yST50zdUhaofxf9IH2dTh3DnkJDSvO6du +jM8f1KDqoXCDQVDR3O56JE1b1aKG/hDCwGuk= Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr11031rvi.205.1215000551349; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.16 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90807020509p7b8de866te8a074eadb5b4fc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:09:11 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <195A20EF56064C1EACB06D80A1317AF7@Boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <195A20EF56064C1EACB06D80A1317AF7@Boris> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ccce011-56ed-4788-90ee-eeff5ceed5a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486B7002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:09:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't you just hate that!!! It happens too often when I get patterns from eBay. From now on its going to be in my standard list of questions when buying patterns. Sidney On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm in the middle of making several of Folkwear's #222, vintage vests. > I've got them all cut out and the front pockets set, only to find that I'm > missing the directions to the view I'm making, and its collar is not the > same as the others. I've made this vest before, and I can probably figure > it out, but since I need them finished by the end of the week, I really > don't want to have to. Does anyone have this pattern and would be willing > to scan pages 3 and 4 of the directions and email them to me? I have the > first page, just not the rest. > > Thanks, > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 10:08:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62E8RHB015052 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:08:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m62E8MHV024935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m62E7x2B021301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62E7wks041247; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62E7tee041114 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W56 ([65.55.138.91]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:07:50 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2008 14:07:50.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[0339A0C0:01C8DC4D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7356c9d-8700-4bb9-932d-9306654d73f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486B8BD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO An interesting clothing outcome of the Texas FLDS issue: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/02/20080702FLDSDress.html http://fldsdress.com/ I was surprised to find others who were interested by the hairstyles and women's clothing. While I wouldn't want to be forced to wear them, I do like them. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 14:23:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62INoQP026716 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m62INdEN019766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m62INApo042021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62IN70o016838; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62IN4gQ016696 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=uDrPNxu8vXHatr9/hIhGSPz2RaBUoy2RibBtWEye78wniW3lzuGpra2QnVcTyp0f; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.244.203.166] (helo=Boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KE6ye-0000kU-Ot for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:22:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <195A20EF56064C1EACB06D80A1317AF7@Boris> <674184e90807020509p7b8de866te8a074eadb5b4fc8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <674184e90807020509p7b8de866te8a074eadb5b4fc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:22:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.20661 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48d4c2052328a2d107560d90503a11e1a2a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.244.203.166 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab19a137-159c-4a81-a74e-1bfad2e2bc80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486BC7AB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:23:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't you just hate that!!! > > It happens too often when I get patterns from eBay. From now on its going > to > be in my standard list of questions when buying patterns. > > > Sidney I bought this one new, I've just used it a lot and can't remember where I might have put the rest of the instructions. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 17:25:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62LPOdG001832 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:25:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m62LPI9f019366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m62LOqwd057383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62LOnZ0001500; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62LOksm001444 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A17B131903BE; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:22:03 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:24:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8dc8a$0bbe0820$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjcTMTzca/qaRBRT/CZ57tDnXSTEgAPNuvA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 035d6440-6ccd-4a27-a8ef-2e6c1d161992 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486BF23F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Looking at their site, I was surprised to see so much of their clothing is polyester or a polyester blend. In the southwest, it gets really hot and polyester just doesn't breathe. I think they would have better luck with their business if they used 100% cotton. Putting those kids in poly in the summer might count as child abuse! (just kidding) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:08 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale An interesting clothing outcome of the Texas FLDS issue: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/02/20080702FLDSDress.html http://fldsdress.com/ I was surprised to find others who were interested by the hairstyles and women's clothing. While I wouldn't want to be forced to wear them, I do like them. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1528 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:26 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 17:54:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m62LsrXo002834 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:54:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m62Lslm1013636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:54:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m62LsUUp059579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m62LsUUM028744; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m62LsPlw028605 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38378 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 21:54:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Bpnk+228jYYmuImoQIDYCKUj/fTR76sy2+d6Z7uXqGjqlgIXHyop3xAQSiu6KFjtojmyZmQ8FMBrvxEwtShqzn/Z+WT9D0ecnSdgbipziVT2I6J2rCeKkfuBN22xV4Vc58no+ng5+yHJkWpEEyLGV2ywWXgtt3yAhNS7ysgrQKM=; Received: from [63.226.19.28] by web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:54:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cactus To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c8dc8a$0bbe0820$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493010.38263.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8195bee7-4699-419d-9f32-f8fd9d5cd549 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486BF927.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:54:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hey, as one living in the southwest, I have to agree with you! lol Cactus --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Sharon Collier wrote: > From: Sharon Collier > Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 3:24 PM > Looking at their site, I was surprised to see so much of > their clothing is > polyester or a polyester blend. In the southwest, it gets > really hot and > polyester just doesn't breathe. I think they would have > better luck with > their business if they used 100% cotton. Putting those kids > in poly in the > summer might count as child abuse! (just kidding) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:08 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] FLDS clothing for sale > > An interesting clothing outcome of the Texas FLDS issue: > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/02/20080702FLDSDress.html > > http://fldsdress.com/ > > I was surprised to find others who were interested by the > hairstyles and > women's clothing. While I wouldn't want to be > forced to wear them, I do > like them. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1528 - Release > Date: 7/1/2008 > 7:26 AM > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 20:14:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m630EjGO009050 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:14:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m630Ed1R017496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m630ECAE068779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m630EAEN040150; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m630E7sj040045 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W1 ([64.4.19.101]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:14:02 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:14:01 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com><6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 00:14:02.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[B27D2350:01C8DCA1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93163860-bcf1-43bf-8c03-591509ac3125 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486C19EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One suggestion for sewing silk velvet or other slick fabrics. Starch it. Sp= ray starch can be misted away or left in for a long while. I found that whe= n I sew slick fabrics that move alot is to tape the edges about 1/4 inch in= from the edge. Scotch tape or masking tape. There is also the water soluab= le fabrics used for quilting or other sewing. If necessary.... stick freeze= r paper to it and sew. (Iron the waxy side to the back of the fabric with a= light heat iron.) Remove the paper later when all the stitching is done. T= he fabric is sometimes hard to manouver around corners but it does make it = keep it's shape, no warping or stretching out of size limitations. No need = to fudge that seam matching stuff with it. I made a ballerina tutu with satin. That's the only way to deal with that r= avelly stuff... the hit the edges with seam sealer or fray check.Sincerely,= Rebecca Rautine> From: audreybmorin@gmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Da= te: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:54:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown> > >= This is my pattern:> > That's an interesting shape to say the least!> > > = http://www.australiancostumersguild.org.au/index.php?ind=3Dnews&op=3Dnews_s= how_single&ide=3D13> > Beautiful!> > > the bottom half of the sleeve is ang= led> > inwards from wrist to tip (So I think that pattern would wind up> > = looking a bit like a kite if opened up).> > More like a bat, actually :-) I= 'll send pics when I can. The Alcega pattern > really is cool. I couldn't f= igure it out until I traced it on some scrap > paper and cut out the shapes= . Then it suddenly all made sense :-)> > Thanks for the patterns. I love se= eing your work!> > Audrey > > _____________________________________________= __> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com= /mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_watchcause _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 20:52:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m630qU0J010433 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:52:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m630qMsi007760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:52:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m630q6kc071244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m630q56B066072; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m630q1fl065979 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 42585 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 00:51:56 -0000 Received: from [76.237.188.158] by web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:51:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <136721.42513.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2745bfa7-eba2-4f48-9fb4-1115dea7b846 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486C22C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO =A0=A0 I noticed some articles while doing research for my newsletter. I ha= ve mixed feelings, because while it might enable some of them to support th= eir kids away from the cult, there's always the possibility that the money = could end up being given to members of it. After all, there's no guarantee = that they'll remain outside after the court case is over.On the other hand,= some of our everyday clothing is being made in sweatshops.Carol = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 2 22:54:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m632sDrw015171 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:54:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m632s8U9024478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m632rkxi079018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m632rjth048093; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m632rgur048004 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m632rZgc008132 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:53:36 GMT Message-ID: <002501c8dcb7$fe8564e0$e956c446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:53:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a20eb79-f5a7-46e7-b9da-d1855f0426b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486C3F50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just search eBay for 'Mantua Maker', or try: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280241030657&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=018 Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com Do you have a URL for the patterns, Deb? What should we look under? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry publisher of? books by Lorina Stephens purveyor of quality custom shower doors by Gary Stephens Now Available: Shadow Song, by Lorina Stephens Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina?Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org - http://5riversnews.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 3 06:46:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m63Akhc9011639 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:46:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m63AkXix024585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m63AkEIw002425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 04:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63AkASj045454; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 04:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63Ak7uq045413 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 04:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so663112ugc.17 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:46:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o5cOEnlYEQBSd07lCr7wVftA8tCAMmSlRP6nz2MbgDA=; b=Z3YvlXYY/vRR9/f+MKNyAL2ypKxXiYbNe2tHFq7Cf0t2VdznvMmveACbWMg3vqMazp BrZEJGoRTJ2TuIviSYjSINIYJhidiJFAfA1gxHZQRD1l370pS71/zMSTFsqjflBxfQTz 7AtzS9+PQWHQfkgcFl2XXzWQsvwNPBi680G4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XvJSBAkbTQKtLsNULViePnY9bArQe7X8lOfX/QRuRqrDmbaihAekmEjIrQSdxInYb8 bS7J0IA80hdhqBnPssKDzBqrrdFLGaZWi6pVfWxKX6EPpgN2c+Td0I+4mM42ypTp0jGz AWIKhcgvmKpnla4VatA5Dwk/+WrFfgdQfkSH0= Received: by 10.67.32.7 with SMTP id k7mr1604581ugj.38.1215081966235; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0807030346h473f763bwc25aab2593366b89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:46:06 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <2F355D86-0F3E-4B1C-B844-C15A7DB44B9A@margospatterns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94C7F8F8235447F0849F335654BF625B@p4audrey> <4867C685.9040601@reddawn.net> <2F355D86-0F3E-4B1C-B844-C15A7DB44B9A@margospatterns.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help with Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c791bbc6-4542-49bd-8872-d2bae71bc589 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486CAE0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I'm wondering about that "mourning" name, though. Is anyone familiar with > Spanish mourning customs of the period, who could tell me why on earth such > a gown would be labeled thus? I wonder if it's not because it was reminiscent of a nun's habit? http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=6mAIAAAAQAAJ Mongia, f.f. a monastery Mongil, f. m. a sort of mourning weed for a woman, also the habit of any nun. Mongil, f. m. the estate or condition of a nun Mongil allibaxo, a long woman's gown or garment all of a piece. And Minsheu (1599) http://www.ems.kcl.ac.uk/content/proj/anglo/dict/pro-anglo-dict-main.html Mongia,f.monkerie Mongil,m.a monks garment, a mourning garment for a woman Mongilon, a mourning garment for a woman. In the men's section there are some religious themed garments as well. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 3 09:06:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m63D6i1w027075 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m63D6coo020235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m63D6MgL012108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63D6KSs047595; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63D6H5L047477 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W32 ([65.55.138.67]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:06:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:06:12 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com><6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 13:06:12.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[91965140:01C8DD0D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown/Algacea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 616aa586-af7c-4b82-abf2-78b8fde9b664 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486CCEDE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:06:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry for the late response Margo - been outta' town. I don't know if it helps, but Desert Torch Tailoring, Mathew Gnagy, has been making this gown for years. There are pictures of it in the Gallery Menu on the website. I can't give you a direct link, but if you go to the Gallery Menu and then look at both the 2002 & 2003 historical female you will see several made up. http://www.deserttorch.com I took a Sartor method drafting class from Mathew a few (or so) years ago and he allowed us to copy any of his patterns - I took notes on this one. But don't have an answer for the translation question. You are absolutely right it is wonderful for weight fluctuations and pregnancy. I know this doesn't answer your question, but Mathew is very knowledgeable and would probably be happy to answer any questions you have. If you need his contact information feel free to contact me off list. I don't see any contact info on the website anymore - he and his partner have split up - he is in New York working for a dance company these days. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 3 14:09:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m63I9Y3h006616 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:09:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m63I9K8W011867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m63I92TS037604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63I90B3061250; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m63I8u71061076 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W31 ([65.55.138.66]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:08:50 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 18:08:51.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[D90BFB40:01C8DD37] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] iDye? Anyone used it yet? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a2f4ce8-41d3-4ad3-bd1c-2afec948a460 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486D15D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I read about this in this month's Thread's magazine. Has anyone used it yet? If so, what do you think? http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/5590684-AA.shtml Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 3 20:16:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m640GimR023840 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:16:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m640GcP4032144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m640FOdS066394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m640FLCV071566; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m640FI8L071481 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10583 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2008 00:15:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jXRiq+7QUh+DbEuRQKVjvwEK6Hn8bwikI7yUxsb3OC5+7/P4UmWnB5SMh0h+iGBJUEX5yai1Vwk4Jgl6US0DhHdS1FCLewak7IzXpxCYxKFwqiSGFPPhYVe4yY83WxGUTKcFflqrl+/ugl3MLKDqjLNF/kBlJ8xX0h5MDECReqo=; Received: from [69.182.221.96] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:15:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <885503.8962.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] iDye? Anyone used it yet? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92a5a7d8-7874-48bf-a09c-070748388ff7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486D6BE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Threads says the formula for synthetics is suitable for polyester and nylon. Probably straight from the press release. But nylon is relatively easy to dye -- use acid dyes, the same as silk and wool. And polyester is pretty much impossible to dye, and has consumed many a textile chemist's career coloring the polyester before it's ever spun. So I'm really curious about how this is supposed to work. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I read about this in this month's Thread's magazine. > Has anyone used it yet? If so, what do you think? > > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/5590684-AA.shtml > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 3 20:49:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m640nB3K025611 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:49:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m640n6U9004047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m640mklG067819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m640mkI5090928; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m640miGe090905 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:48:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so749451ugc.17 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=d9SEKpwyzzMJRbKlKknWlYqJw9lsCVaIN/GR1KUSzzM=; b=NTgQ+9FMsYUBfije2jAUkQwMky1Fyi2kozNM+AMkjGnxNq/PKkj34QZNMV0s2bZDDW 9WRU+7YtmC9Vj9IZ9fYV6p4M7PmulwPQW2JCpYguADF8ID3ZXKVDaUZTNSHUj96/xfc8 58+B0UnydEq2eMEbRkuOhTD+w/AWHh9L1GSrk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LyVRm0jaaHvsdSPdOqH/pZkmi5WwBsrku+eE0qef5NCxfREy9/pETMgHbm7eSBPGHp b9A0Q9J4MOAfOBvnEy7FNbwi5QgfJ1T2r+5rtBOAKC4T5/KkfbrtCVtUCxsWxnMilEaQ aUadK68iKQqifQfCuEehaUpHR2+3Q00G+YVKg= Received: by 10.67.106.19 with SMTP id i19mr2116988ugm.81.1215132523279; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0807031748u47c52f1anddb2a9c8e1c05c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0807012106k50edbe29u7b6e6cec0ea3b607@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0806280614n5ee3ee09s27024477996774b5@mail.gmail.com> <6B0F25E01B304F49B0117258AC8A5CC7@p4audrey> <73fb7a5f0807011838i7a2abdceme1c2764c1781e6c4@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0807012106k50edbe29u7b6e6cec0ea3b607@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89622f56-10e0-48ca-841f-020095c10e5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486D7382.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Yes the Alcega is much narrower than most of the examples in art, so > it's not going to be quite the same shape as you would get > extrapolating from the art as I was doing. It also has a gentle curve > up the back of the arm, which again makes me happier about my own > pattern. Actually, now that I've looked again, it's really not that much narrower, a fair bit than many but not to a great degree, I got fooled a bit by the way it was laid out. So here is a side by side comparison of the Alcega pattern, my pattern and the extant Manga de Punta: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/saya/mangas.jpg Note how the pieces don't quite match up in Alcega, but then again they really aren't patterns but a guideline. Oh and my sleeves are a bit more pointy now. When I relined them and then relined them again they tapered a bit more from armscye to tip. The front curve in the Alcega looks like the start of the cut away style seen in a few early 16thC gowns heavily influenced by the Spanish fashion. Regards, Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 09:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64DjnIY011930 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:45:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64DjhgP001799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:45:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64DjAdd002734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64Dj5JD053065; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64Dj2Bj053027 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080704134501.XSCX8173.fep53.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:45:01 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.28]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080704134501.RED1393.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:45:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:44:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.28] at Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:45:00 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07b89131-4f73-45b2-929b-87626f7a64a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486E2987.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:45:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend found a box in an archive, containing letters and bills. One of the bills was for a young girl in 1748, she had boaght caps, stockings, gloves, piano lessons and linnens for embroidery. There was also a pannier with matching "crepiner" in danish. Is there a similar word in french, german for crepines? Could it be skirts, to cover the panniers with? Rolls? I have never seen this word before, and wondered if any have heard anything similar. I know it is difficult because its danish, but crepins dont sound danish to me att all....... Thanks Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 10:34:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64EYvgi013586 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:34:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64EYp3p021763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64EYarc005527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64EYaY7087146; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64EYZOf087134 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1021248wra.23 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hUQlc/Y2kRNnbU9MiXd+h8mqLuaxi7HooDjRknLCC0I=; b=sy+c5Fy/l7/G0WTgudns/6wVUbxoWO7G4nAOMDdrgLRygNb5AbO5zY03qCa3sH7mqz gv/l/ucEgqWWw307GdSA/bDO6hKIDb1pIrDJk1oCu8jZ53vRVD0TYBlPbWGsQ5DOEFzd N5zitint2mVf689jD2BTfHztztd3FFWKNMTJc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SNXF4s447naV+bFDH8+1skQFkvWBb+lZVhCoSnjJxy9VbfgCzYqWT44i+kTK/aml64 7TgCTRJ7piE24vgZaz8sHMI4tZRjTxuqzseYc1Ol5H82edsOzwLInrq9n4V/soV7+E6P BQy67xb7MVquz6Z2Keg+OfJNMyzxt6kx9kG3A= Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr1326620agy.102.1215182074659; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.92.18 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:34:34 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e08ec14-829e-4f5f-b964-4c561bad6bc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486E350B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is it crepins, crepin or crepine? You wrote it three different ways... It could be French, but I'm not sure exactly what it means (yet!). On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > A friend found a box in an archive, containing letters and bills. One of the bills was for a young girl in 1748, she had boaght caps, stockings, gloves, piano lessons and linnens for embroidery. There was also a pannier with matching "crepiner" in danish. Is there a similar word in french, german for crepines? Could it be skirts, to cover the panniers with? Rolls? > I have never seen this word before, and wondered if any have heard anything similar. I know it is difficult because its danish, but crepins dont sound danish to me att all....... > > Thanks > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 11:16:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64FGsB2015059 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:16:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64FGmij007591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64FGTYN007810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64FGRaV017313; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64FGNxN017239 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080704151622.ZDNY14896.fep51.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:16:22 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.28]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080704151622.DPAH1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:16:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:16:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.28] at Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:16:21 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:16:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry for the confusion, the word is CREPINER and when the word ends with ER it is multiple. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? > Is it crepins, crepin or crepine? You wrote it three different ways... > It could be French, but I'm not sure exactly what it means (yet!). > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews > wrote: >> A friend found a box in an archive, containing letters and bills. One of >> the bills was for a young girl in 1748, she had boaght caps, stockings, >> gloves, piano lessons and linnens for embroidery. There was also a >> pannier with matching "crepiner" in danish. Is there a similar word in >> french, german for crepines? Could it be skirts, to cover the panniers >> with? Rolls? >> I have never seen this word before, and wondered if any have heard >> anything similar. I know it is difficult because its danish, but crepins >> dont sound danish to me att all....... >> >> Thanks >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 11:45:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64FjxoF015956 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:45:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64FjrZd010049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64FjI6W009266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64FjI1H038437; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64FjGIr038408 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1043231wra.23 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KjeTWdbjN31NN0XswoaeIERChBgTUIf1m3+YqysMdOM=; b=ZiFQw7JWo/Cy30klsISYwFPD1n2YzwDZ1tu8W9r2n5fRvgUAjg3aM3f6qU9Kebp2Rt ecqwCeMhcGWlpabmRNVsoDGJQBFKbGaNYhNksU2jPuAgivnrPawj1q5rRf41oqqw19rN VmQbs42AOmzJIs9yLPQo2ZQMge6HuHVcYsDCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FvxbtSB7ETRtEssXwvVYJCfptOpF2eIwjZBKcwmVIYoGwHkNiwcaRSKk+AhVzdEAjN VnnV82b8TauZWEBYb8JBUB8CCpAgZC90grXQGfbXXiau4ELoGCVxY1j4cEXbcOjAlVV2 ZYdXJuIGL+Fzrs1rx8/ysE5i0E/PIlaguqOOM= Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr1418200aga.87.1215186315937; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590807040845of08bc33s11a231b82c3fc0ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:45:15 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdc5f2cd-097d-4e57-b529-ef996a5d4819 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486E45B1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I did a quick google search and the word "crepin" (Singular?) shows up frequently as a name- various people and seems to be a location names as well. I think there's a disease as well. the word "crepiner" shows up again as a name, though not as much under the first search, and as I believe a piece of a musical instrument. I'm not 100% sure of the context, since the original site was danish and I was looking at a translated version. There were a number of danish sites and/or books on the web that used this word. You want to take a look and see. alex On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Sorry for the confusion, the word is CREPINER and when the word ends with ER > it is multiple. > > Bjarne >>> A friend found a box in an archive, containing letters and bills. One of >>> the bills was for a young girl in 1748, she had boaght caps, stockings, >>> gloves, piano lessons and linnens for embroidery. There was also a pannier >>> with matching "crepiner" in danish. Is there a similar word in french, >>> german for crepines? Could it be skirts, to cover the panniers with? Rolls? >>> I have never seen this word before, and wondered if any have heard >>> anything similar. I know it is difficult because its danish, but crepins >>> dont sound danish to me att all....... >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Bjarne -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 12:01:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64G1DNY017299 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:01:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64G18Dx020888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:01:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64G0gre010374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64G0gi9049849; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:00:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64G0eCA049828 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1047848wra.23 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZcFi5aHlhf1O17NvgdnTXcQ/YYY1ED+WSqFZ4TmZ/D0=; b=bdOs5RIX1BT2aLZLU5zFLx97vGNyma7rdAMNI2fkndtcI+qpVNBmUTpVPwlIQJKoXf oenV6z9tagEkc/7ERnIDU9rULYkrb3gu59mzqZdbB3N1VSTtb82tLNqrFz3pM47wwWpD /IUBsLdJs6k3FGmqP4ljMZZmdqve4yl4a4SgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HQo8GxEdEjVNOkRB7JwnnG5f5V/XQVcb3hBZhVaV6SKqnSvIZKS0EP3oYY9AWvJcnp 8RdC0QT5sg/XnDfLAg2dxB76D47QycVm4rB71Q6T7vQOlpEHM4AlUfjn524g8aNdKafe pJlGabYHDXlv1kr8FcpjLIbzku5sWTeQhI2n0= Received: by 10.90.100.20 with SMTP id x20mr1461844agb.18.1215187239077; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.92.18 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0807040900h52513770ibd4b6bf74897c7de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:00:39 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <870801590807040845of08bc33s11a231b82c3fc0ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590807040845of08bc33s11a231b82c3fc0ba@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:01:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO All right, I knew I'd seen cr=E9pine somewhere... In French, it's usually used for the hairnet worn under veils and hair bands in the Middle Ages. Doesn't mean it's not used for something else, but that's the common meaning. I'll search some more... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 12:36:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64GaJ1C018851 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:36:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64GaDiS025362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:36:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64GZvUL012438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64GZt82075996; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64GZsqG075974 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1057343wra.23 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jJgmJQrtrVvJid8fmPaZZ+9JQc+Tcbd4y/Y4kG9+raM=; b=HfKKh8UV3wBLMCE7dklsv/mRbXzz+JH6th5u2OT9dGP76D8V9LJfRyL05sgcBXzMA2 2h5lOH1cJ/5c6XDTc2U9PFhrc2i6SlPqVbnGmcU/5vjNDyHKx2AWYmuNnkqpDXDTRJLX n+VoJSWVdZOUAW5fNh1xfaGu7AiajUSZ7WAdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=E/lpm6KxyyZ1x8Qd5sq8w6lK2EZTLXjIs8BFLGiFMufFExkobqOUQzwUgbhME6Xf8v dQNbDtZnFKMemw+uB2eazoWfOVHDuSDCO89e04gbAaHiOi5S34DRLfhdA+nQ5xdLzD4x BzeDzp5gY2bAO4NUnv8xB39stE2aQBHcqPaI0= Received: by 10.90.89.14 with SMTP id m14mr1483153agb.100.1215189354107; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.92.18 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0807040935x3b82b978qf456a97861dbab55@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:35:54 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0807040900h52513770ibd4b6bf74897c7de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590807040845of08bc33s11a231b82c3fc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0807040900h52513770ibd4b6bf74897c7de@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? 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Audrey On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > All right, I knew I'd seen cr=E9pine somewhere... > > In French, it's usually used for the hairnet worn under veils and hair > bands in the Middle Ages. Doesn't mean it's not used for something > else, but that's the common meaning. I'll search some more... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 12:56:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64Gu6jO019829 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:56:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64Gu0De025812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:56:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64GocSv013343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64Goae3086547; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64GoXx4086424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:50:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-5-104.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.5.104]:2243 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KEoUN-0006ii-Ra for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:50:28 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080704174814.03a030c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:50:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0807040935x3b82b978qf456a97861dbab55@mail.gmail.co m> References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <16a2233a0807040734x123d6d4uf5cbf7e325e2c5fe@mail.gmail.com> <000801c8dde8$e8bc60f0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590807040845of08bc33s11a231b82c3fc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0807040900h52513770ibd4b6bf74897c7de@mail.gmail.com> <16a2233a0807040935x3b82b978qf456a97861dbab55@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 564b03b0-b7ad-47a7-b22b-387614460526 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486E5620.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:35 04/07/2008, you wrote: >Me again! > >It seems to be also a coif of some sort. It's also written crespine. I >don't know if we have the same cr=E9pine as the one you're looking for, >but in French, that's what it means. > >However... logically, it comes from cr=EApe, or the verb cr=EAper, which >can mean to ruffle or pleat in some instances, so I don't think it >would be far-fetched to think it could mean a crinoline or something >of the kind. > >I wish I had dictionaries with me here! It does not appear in my French-English = dictionary, which I admit is not comprehensive. = Bjarne I assume you have looked in Danish = dictionaries? I can't find my Danish-English = dictionary right now - I suspect it's hiding under some pocket hoops. Suzi >Good luck! > >Audrey > >On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin > wrote: > > All right, I knew I'd seen cr=E9pine somewhere... > > > > In French, it's usually used for the hairnet worn under veils and hair > > bands in the Middle Ages. Doesn't mean it's not used for something > > else, but that's the common meaning. I'll search some more... > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 14:25:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64IPOmS023633 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:25:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64IPHhp014330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64IP3Rw018407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64IP1Ck048358; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64IOvtp048247 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W12 ([65.54.161.112]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:24:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.230.145.0] From: zelda crusher To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:24:51 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 18:24:52.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[402C6AA0:01C8DE03] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] play costume 1888 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40eeca28-1979-4bbd-bcff-d9e56caeaa05 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486E6B0D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:25:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, My 15 year old is in summer school for a production of "Jekyll & Hyde: The Musical" (which concept, btw, makes my skin crawl). The performance dates are Aug. 2 &3. Surprise, surprise, parents are responsible for providing the costumes, but the only guidelines are very skimpy. For example, low class "street women" are to wear button-up shirts, long full skirts, long sweaters, hats, vests and fingerless gloves in tan, brown, grey and black. "Upper class" women can wear dark primary colors and the only thing different on the list is that their gloves are not fingerless! With this description we were supposed to *deliver* costumes last Thursday (after 5 days notice) for approval. The only thing we were able to come up with at second hand stores was a straw(ish) hat with flowers that looked, from a distance, sorta like a bonnet (I argued that a poor person was more likely to wear something old fashioned). This item did not get approved. Oh, and did I mention that the person in charge of costumes is one of the (high school) students? Sigh. This is absolutely not my period, and my mind skims along with notions of Civil War and gay nineties images with a hint of "My Fair Lady" and Dickens butting in every so often. At any rate, my questions are these; Is it acceptable to make something fairly period looking if the rest of the cast is wearing ankle length gauze skirts from the 1960's and the "costumer" seems to be offering nothing more than veto? Are there any Commercial (read: likely to be had for $1.99 at Jo Ann's) patterns available that can be made by a 15 year old in 2 weeks with only advice and fitting help from Mom? If not, are there some "iconic" images that we can use to alter some existing pattern? Are my daughter and I crazy to be offering to make these costumes (yes, she needs 3) without far more detailed expectaions up front? Thanks in advance for any help. Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 15:05:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64J5e6b025553 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:05:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64J5W8c011239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64J50Jm020523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64J50JB073677; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64J4vi6073571 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E021D1320D9 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:04:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <486E8252.1060503@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:04:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] play costume 1888 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5282e630-671f-471e-90f5-f297bdb5924f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486E747C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO zelda crusher wrote: > For example, low class "street women" are to wear button-up shirts, long full skirts, long sweaters, hats, vests and fingerless gloves in tan, brown, grey and black. "Upper class" women can wear dark primary colors and the only thing different on the list is that their gloves are not fingerless! > > *snip* > Is it acceptable to make something fairly period looking if the rest of the cast is wearing ankle length gauze skirts from the 1960's and the "costumer" seems to be offering nothing more than veto? > Since the whole wardrobe seems to be a mish-mash from the start, I don't see why not. > > Are there any Commercial (read: likely to be had for $1.99 at Jo Ann's) patterns available that can be made by a 15 year old in 2 weeks with only advice and fitting help from Mom? If not, are there some "iconic" images that we can use to alter some existing pattern? > There are no commercial costume patterns I'd recommend. Simplicity has gotten rid of most of their "historical" except the civil war gowns, and the other makers don't cover 19th century at all. McCalls 2260 is a variety of easy vests, perhaps one of those will pass approval. McCall is on sale for $1.99 this weekend at Joann's. You can get directions for a simple long full skirt suitable for your play, here: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/skirt.htm I have had good luck getting cheap gloves in black, grey or white from wedding vendors on ebay. > > Are my daughter and I crazy to be offering to make these costumes (yes, she needs 3) without far more detailed expectaions up front? Yes. You should corner this kid with a handful of pictures and get approval for something, or a solid idea of what will pass ASAP. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 17:21:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m64LLf0I031443 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:21:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m64LLZXY019299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:21:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m64LLFZB027291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64LLDRu068253; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64LLBVm068166 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W39 ([65.54.161.139]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.230.145.0] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:21:05 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <486E8252.1060503@reddawn.net> References: <486E8252.1060503@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 21:21:06.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEC22D90:01C8DE1B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] play costume 1888 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bf857fe-0600-4d4d-8467-721a606b3029 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486E945F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:21:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you, Dawn, I had hoped you would reply. Your knowledge base is so varied and always practical! Laurie> Subject: Re: [h-cost] play costume 1888> > zelda crusher wrote:> > For example, low class "street women" are to wear button-up shirts, long full skirts, long sweaters, hats, vests and fingerless gloves in tan, brown, grey and black. "Upper class" women can wear dark primary colors and the only thing different on the list is that their gloves are not fingerless! > > > > > *snip*> > Is it acceptable to make something fairly period looking if the rest of the cast is wearing ankle length gauze skirts from the 1960's and the "costumer" seems to be offering nothing more than veto?> > > > Since the whole wardrobe seems to be a mish-mash from the start, I don't > see why not.> > > > > Are there any Commercial (read: likely to be had for $1.99 at Jo Ann's) patterns available that can be made by a 15 year old in 2 weeks with only advice and fitting help from Mom? If not, are there some "iconic" images that we can use to alter some existing pattern?> > > There are no commercial! costume patterns I'd recommend. Simplicity has > gotten rid of most of their "historical" except the civil war gowns, and > the other makers don't cover 19th century at all.> > McCalls 2260 is a variety of easy vests, perhaps one of those will pass > approval. McCall is on sale for $1.99 this weekend at Joann's.> > You can get directions for a simple long full skirt suitable for your > play, here: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/skirt.htm > > I have had good luck getting cheap gloves in black, grey or white from > wedding vendors on ebay.> > > > > > Are my daughter and I crazy to be offering to make these costumes (yes, she needs 3) without far more detailed expectaions up front?> > Yes. You should corner this kid with a handful of pictures and get > approval for something, or a solid idea of what will pass ASAP.> > Dawn> _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 4 22:36:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m652arLG013329 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m652ak8v009186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m652aTsQ042207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m652aQXU036880; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m652aMjU036759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-158-228.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.158.228] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KExdH-000AzF-T4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:06:15 +0930 Message-ID: <004101c8de47$dee8c460$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:06:04 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdf96ee0-edb6-4c4e-90b3-9a914284d6c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 486EDE3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:35:54 -0400 > From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <16a2233a0807040935x3b82b978qf456a97861dbab55@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Me again! > > It seems to be also a coif of some sort. It's also written crespine. I > don't know if we have the same cr?pine as the one you're looking for, > but in French, that's what it means. > > However... logically, it comes from cr?pe, or the verb cr?per, which > can mean to ruffle or pleat in some instances, so I don't think it > would be far-fetched to think it could mean a crinoline or something > of the kind. > > I wish I had dictionaries with me here! > > Good luck! > > Audrey > Could it be a ruffle to go around the bottom of the pannier? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 04:19:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m658JVX2023496 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:19:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m658JQpJ019688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m658J2TU054635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m658IxCt005539; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:18:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m658ItTq005496 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080705081854.ZRSK8173.fep53.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:18:54 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.154]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080705081853.DTWI26322.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:18:53 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c8de77$c2837a10$9a14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:18:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.154] at Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:18:53 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] CREPINER X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7ee3db1-807d-4e23-9dbf-d58e6451a66c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486F2E8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, Thanks a lot for all your suggestions and thoaghts about the word CREPINER. A friend in Sweden wich has almost same language as danish, told me that they have the same word, and that it meens ruffles. Either gathered or pleated ruffles. So with a pannier, it would be ruffles at the bottom perhaps. I just wanted to tell you, that the word was found. Thankyou! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 04:54:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m658sk7H029542 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:54:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m658sdZ4015964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:54:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m658sHG2056052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m658sHts022533; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m658sEkd022505 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A610CA0330; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:51:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 01:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c8de7c$aa66e480$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjd2+32PFSfib8ySYWmJYPv2qYKXwAoGWbw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa48ecc5-9f33-4d0b-b6ba-757c838f432d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486F36CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I looked up the word in both my French and Italian dictionaries. Both "crepiter" (French) and "crepitare" (Italian), mean "to rustle", so could it be a petticoat that makes a rustling noise, like taffeta? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] crepines? A friend found a box in an archive, containing letters and bills. One of the bills was for a young girl in 1748, she had boaght caps, stockings, gloves, piano lessons and linnens for embroidery. There was also a pannier with matching "crepiner" in danish. Is there a similar word in french, german for crepines? Could it be skirts, to cover the panniers with? Rolls? I have never seen this word before, and wondered if any have heard anything similar. I know it is difficult because its danish, but crepins dont sound danish to me att all....... Thanks Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. 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X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] play costume 1888 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9a571bc-1d15-4869-bb24-0a4ecbf78f85 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 486F374E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:56:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where do you live? And what size is your daughter? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of zelda crusher Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:25 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] play costume 1888 Hi all, My 15 year old is in summer school for a production of "Jekyll & Hyde: The Musical" (which concept, btw, makes my skin crawl). The performance dates are Aug. 2 &3. Surprise, surprise, parents are responsible for providing the costumes, but the only guidelines are very skimpy. For example, low class "street women" are to wear button-up shirts, long full skirts, long sweaters, hats, vests and fingerless gloves in tan, brown, grey and black. "Upper class" women can wear dark primary colors and the only thing different on the list is that their gloves are not fingerless! With this description we were supposed to *deliver* costumes last Thursday (after 5 days notice) for approval. The only thing we were able to come up with at second hand stores was a straw(ish) hat with flowers that looked, from a distance, sorta like a bonnet (I argued that a poor person was more likely to wear something old fashioned). This item did not get approved. Oh, and did I mention that the person in charge of costumes is one of the (high school) students? Sigh. This is absolutely not my period, and my mind skims along with notions of Civil War and gay nineties images with a hint of "My Fair Lady" and Dickens butting in every so often. At any rate, my questions are these; Is it acceptable to make something fairly period looking if the rest of the cast is wearing ankle length gauze skirts from the 1960's and the "costumer" seems to be offering nothing more than veto? Are there any Commercial (read: likely to be had for $1.99 at Jo Ann's) patterns available that can be made by a 15 year old in 2 weeks with only advice and fitting help from Mom? If not, are there some "iconic" images that we can use to alter some existing pattern? Are my daughter and I crazy to be offering to make these costumes (yes, she needs 3) without far more detailed expectaions up front? Thanks in advance for any help. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 8:32 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 09:06:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m65D60qs029731 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:06:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m65D5tSw023610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m65D5O8I068737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65D5LPG062648; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:05:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65D5JAt062634 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so869870ywe.71 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=SCjBHB0Qm9M0L7quBfDrQYzCTNaYQnQBpwKuS9bL/AI=; b=ZMV0SMwqquQxdaO9D+RMHqNqHbWZoKpBUtBWW7KuGA3iHg0geMdrh5OXtUfCsXdrOp M9KpTCdNGbLulrX7SKwSAXWO4Co5JNNGsN7YHYBfAnMWQfbzLqV/Pf0ENXuDBaG0uRa+ lno+afN5py1C6EGlotqiw/UjoNgIQnt4SeppQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=L495cEGfXZM9SDrj54SXe6SGUCOOxOnsU+QTFLx66ZnEALig5SY0PwGx/dXSCn8Xud XJ5Gqr0qzzOhUlGwY2Of7nuzC0w8Cyi8HBbgRzrXpnUunKXG4qgvabcYvcTFgYvHtII/ P9xZTgkTpvviqd39SIL5hoXo61FyajnxOr+Qo= Received: by 10.150.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr3974739ybb.210.1215263111167; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k29sm2498839qba.7.2008.07.05.06.05.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <90A86051B50445D8B566DF0A013DA6A2@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c8dddc$25a345e0$1ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <000c01c8de7c$aa66e480$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:05:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] crepines? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd5207fb-196b-4ae9-b89e-2f794afa8c9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 486F71B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:05:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I looked up the word in both my French and Italian dictionaries. Both > "crepiter" (French) and "crepitare" (Italian), mean "to rustle", so could = > it > be a petticoat that makes a rustling noise, like taffeta? No, this is not from cr=E9piter, this is from cr=EAper, or the old spelling = cresper (to ruffle). Not the same origin at all. (You can't remove the = "iter" in the verb to make another word, it loses its meaning. If it was = from "cr=E9piter", it would have become something like "cr=E9pitine", not = "cr=E9pine".) Well, in French at least. I'd expect the Italian to be the sa= me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 09:26:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m65DQt4n030559 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:26:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m65DQk1d011016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m65DQQjd069734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65DQQic075538; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65DQMEV075458 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W32 ([65.54.161.132]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 06:26:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.170.156] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 06:26:16 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c8de7c$ff12c3f0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <000d01c8de7c$ff12c3f0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2008 13:26:16.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4210430:01C8DEA2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] play costume 1888 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7dad5d76-2dc6-4051-8c9c-cf5984a35fa7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 486F7696.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In Wisconsin, about 20 miles south of Milwaukee. I would have to guess she's probably a dress size 10 or 12. (It's been awhile since I've made anything for her). Laurie > > > Where do you live? And what size is your daughter?> Sharon > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 15:33:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m65JXC9M012572 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m65JX6jJ019979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m65JWmNk088077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65JWh53012055; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m65JVgYj011386 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mHNZ1Z0080mv7h05107U00; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:32:42 +0000 Received: from Desktop2004 ([68.54.9.232]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mKYh1Z00350Nm3o3XKYhCP; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:32:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=StmAHD05TxpbtNGn9iQA:9 a=UftDZ1_xJrpTJaitdBcH-HUpHrgA:4 a=M5NflSamuk0A:10 From: "Joan Mielke" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Thread-Index: Acje1eN69bVDFlBxSUq6Z01bjU+XZQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 347d70ff-2859-431b-9f07-9fbdba748332 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 486FCC73.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net crespines, as opposed to the crocheted ones? Thanks, Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 5 20:02:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6602hke025211 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:02:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6602c4Q032689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m66029i7002008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m66026c7070146; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m66023bM070085 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBD713221B for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:02:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48701975.7020509@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:01:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01363c11-d76a-4a6f-8142-4fecc15f9290 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48700B9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:02:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan Mielke wrote: > Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net crespines, as opposed > to the crocheted ones? Like these? http://www.instawares.com/hairnet-nylon-28in-box.401-dhn500bk.0.7.htm You might be able to find singles (or small quantities) at a good beauty supply, or even restaurant supply shop. 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(nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.211.9 with plain) by smtp123.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 13:27:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FkKMEioVM1mL8LIpMjZwGsH6bCoYHhF90NIgRaaZz.0w572327Tztum7tZaqLNwfEw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4870C843.8090504@rogers.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:27:31 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48701975.7020509@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <48701975.7020509@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe24a7a1-a491-4549-83b9-7c6aa8e83c1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4870C879.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Joan Mielke wrote: >> Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net crespines, as >> opposed >> to the crocheted ones? > > Like these? > > http://www.instawares.com/hairnet-nylon-28in-box.401-dhn500bk.0.7.htm > > You might be able to find singles (or small quantities) at a good > beauty supply, or even restaurant supply shop. Other than these nylon-type nets, I have never seen netted hairnets sold anywhere. I make my own, and everyone else I know who has one either does the same or gets them from someone else who does. I highly recommend learning how to do it if you'd like nets made from coloured thread. Once you've learned the basic knot, it's a surprisingly fast and easy thing to do. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 6 09:57:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m66Dv5JC003999 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:57:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m66Dv0wN012650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m66DuibD038016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m66Duhbp073001; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m66DufDV072929 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEHBVZ3AL6WZWA for (sender ); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 06:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsshlnjMEZkFfzRW491R8YxB4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NPEZKUZ2; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:55:53 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 06:47:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20080706.065506.2452.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,7-10,12-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:4252792475 X-MAIL-INFO: 020979547031793da13d91dd60114d301d61b130a975b449200db4d42535edf4a900ede1312070b93da43d7070fdc9a009a119e1ddf490e00160a0a1a534f074d9ddf4e915f00c71c4e49d010d0c000c814d30814df5a94df59d018580603529748071ad3129757179045971692dd90da10d2145f5254d0da9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20d72ac3-f277-4037-841f-a12e76eb04a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4870CF2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:57:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_DIPLOMA2,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you're looking for snoods (what's the difference between a snood and a crespine??), check out www.pillagedvillage.com They're woven nylon and will fit just about anyone. Also easy to embellish, if you wish. Sell at $4 each, or 3 for $10, many colors available. Arlys (not affiliated, just a satisfied customer) On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:27:31 -0400 Susan Carroll-Clark writes: > Dawn wrote: > > Joan Mielke wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net crespines, > as > >> opposed > >> to the crocheted ones? > > > > Like these? > > > > > http://www.instawares.com/hairnet-nylon-28in-box.401-dhn500bk.0.7.htm > > > > You might be able to find singles (or small quantities) at a good > > beauty supply, or even restaurant supply shop. > > Other than these nylon-type nets, I have never seen netted hairnets > sold > anywhere. I make my own, and everyone else I know who has one > either > does the same or gets them from someone else who does. > > I highly recommend learning how to do it if you'd like nets made > from > coloured thread. Once you've learned the basic knot, it's a > surprisingly fast and easy thing to do. > > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? 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They look to be crocheted and not filet net work but I can't seem to get a close up of it to be sure. http://www.pillagedvillage.com/~pillaged/cgi-bin/cart.cgi/HTC_Snoods.html?id =Gn3va5eA&mv_pc=572 http://tinyurl.com/67yoaz example of the filet lace http://tinyurl.com/635kma Filet net http://www.filetlace.net/history http://lace.lacefairy.com/ID/FiletID.html filet net normally used to make snoods http://flickr.com/photos/9669678@N03/2496811249/ To my understanding, crespine, crespinette and fret are the names used pre-1600s for netted cauls (cauls being a broad term for a style of head covering). The name "snood" is post-1600s netted caul. De -----Original Message----- If you're looking for snoods (what's the difference between a snood and a crespine??), check out www.pillagedvillage.com They're woven nylon and will fit just about anyone. Also easy to embellish, if you wish. Sell at $4 each, or 3 for $10, many colors available. Arlys (not affiliated, just a satisfied customer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 6 17:02:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m66L1x4E023540 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m66L1sdP029269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m66L1YWS066494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m66L1XcA039800; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m66L1T5r039751 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m66L1R4N002355; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:01:28 GMT Message-ID: <003501c8dfab$766b6310$4e52c446@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: , <19cWoman@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] New Victorian bodice pattern from the Mantua-Maker! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:01:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wish to announce that I have a new pattern finished! It is now available for pre-orders, to be shipped 7/14/08. 1875 - 1890 Brandy City Bodice Pattern A fashionable everyday bodice. The bodice may be fitted or in the Blouse Bodice style. The photos are of the blouse front version. The lower front may be full length, opened or closed. Or it may be draped up, or cut away in several styles. The back may be pleated, gathered, or shirred. Two lengths coat style sleeves. Many historical references and decoration ideas. Sized 2 - 30, all included. Price: $22 Front Photo -- Artwork by Lorina Stephens Back Photo -- Variations Drawing To order, please go to http://www.mantua-maker.com/ . Thank you for looking! Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 7 10:06:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m67E61TS022257 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:06:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m67E5tCQ007852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:05:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m67E5T26012402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m67E5QL0025630; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m67E5MLq025498 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68843 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2008 14:05:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FR+Y+3L/Vqxd+WUIVmfpkfHwjxW5n+8baKOrd5PS+EfCwpETAcQ4TWYN3x0E1Fx/6r9BJOZDuu8RcyHOLcv4QhAEC32ym5y9BhuJTSAuflLRKOiXHsxIVb+52zlAjDw6Buzr9zyJbEkScIaTM44QDFLNH+ieTFG34Z0mH/4fNYU=; Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:05:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60805.37071.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 092b18b0-245a-47ae-861a-efbc0efd04b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487222C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:06:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net > crespines, as opposed > to the crocheted ones? > Thanks, > Joan I don't know of a commercial source either thought I have noted that some basketball nets have the right sort of knot. :) I'll second the comments on learning to make the nets. It is easy once your learn how and have a good anchor to pull from. I learned from this lady http://wedcraft.com/netting.html I took one of her hands on classes and with a bit of practice got the hang of it. I think the handout is good (the first link.) She also lists several other very good sources for learning about netting. Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 7 13:51:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m67HpT8x004288 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:51:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m67HpNIb019837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:51:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m67HonmI032413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m67HojTs042799; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m67HoiDa042766 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so558268yxb.71 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:50:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fTDL8kmn8qsX6534MA6OtlrYHPiBtlW+Y69hpPkNg+c=; b=wyIFgX77CUVHOnScXwf7oCr6g/xJbWyy65l0Ar39n+0n+WG+Trt04pvqCkGtkcvJLn tnLN02pWqVvzbLunE7qHjZ0B4psfiLO7PXnM5Jh+qYcZkdbaikvjuME2FzOK3Q9kaXH3 fhi/FfRSgJr8eqW1vdKqrAgjUpaQ8+zuHrbs0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fKC7d2lxBtQN7KVOgy8Gtfh+P4GGaJWW4QDOsh1vp7U7eAyeeeArxprF2dxsIU7H+4 lYCyAU0ghx4TlgONXfs/5hO0pYYysNFkhHL4E4H+V7oYU9+0VIbD05ni1ftDdSTjL3eL s5WhXixAMwNOvHlo/3O8wepZwZ8BVYwhlx+Qs= Received: by 10.114.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr6777097wae.72.1215453042554; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.15.1 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0807071050kf8dc26fs2dd15fa6c4038d2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:50:42 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <60805.37071.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60805.37071.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71e6265f-50bc-4c40-9be8-81ddb7e73e15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4872579B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:51:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is also the pattern by Lynn McMasters (available on her website) for a beautiful knotted hair net. I made one in a class she taught in Berkeley, CA and it is beautiful. http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/ for her website Look under patterns for hat, then knotted coif. LynnD (Not McMasters) On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mary wrote: > > Does anyone know of a commercial source for actual net > > crespines, as opposed > > to the crocheted ones? > > Thanks, > > Joan > > I don't know of a commercial source either thought I have noted that some > basketball nets have the right sort of knot. :) > > I'll second the comments on learning to make the nets. It is easy once your > learn how and have a good anchor to pull from. I learned from this lady > http://wedcraft.com/netting.html > I took one of her hands on classes and with a bit of practice got the hang > of it. I think the handout is good (the first link.) She also lists several > other very good sources for learning about netting. > > Cheers, > Mary > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 7 18:54:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m67MsOCi016677 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:54:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m67MsJjP002377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m67MruZb057211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m67Mrq98027259; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m61I0SZh039189 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LbMbAR/LFlk9bhZejgRpK3y/Vcfci8N+F7m1yg2s3Swfxx4SxSYavDDYp8sXA1RA; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.175] (helo=Boris) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KDk9O-0008V0-Du; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <2086915E36924B339965A3E7CBFB5865@Boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "moreplentyn" Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:00:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.20661 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd487424529ecbb8279f5de195ca94fe4e57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.175 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:53:50 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Need pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61e9e7a9-5356-4508-a3c2-c7c0fd47a62a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48729E9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:54:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi folks, I'm in the middle of making several of Folkwear's #222, vintage vests. I've got them all cut out and the front pockets set, only to find that I'm missing the directions to the view I'm making, and its collar is not the same as the others. I've made this vest before, and I can probably figure it out, but since I need them finished by the end of the week, I really don't want to have to. Does anyone have this pattern and would be willing to scan pages 3 and 4 of the directions and email them to me? I have the first page, just not the rest. Thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 7 21:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m681tbdx022986 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:55:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m681tWVs004059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m681t956066965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m681t55O046046; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m681t1mi045924 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 41450 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 01:54:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0quFDOMz71f47F8QH5ZcFfMQcAH+4HVdXa21YVHyBVWboAltGDlPrF+a4MqypzK7t5oaHOmJyX4apvaVWA16324Qg558fbPvvQN8pV6Vg4nOVxR6YVBu3yNT/G/btHmP4T9fiX7ct+w9Y+NFMZ36usbV8Z/4hHBLbCV9bVGva9k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.211.9 with plain) by smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2008 01:54:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2zmeNTMVM1mYtpwRxDEaw8HAtcb4d642qoDAyNlbPbq_QwdbkBTCLexhKKQc5lu73A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4872C8DC.4070101@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:54:36 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48701975.7020509@reddawn.net> <4870C843.8090504@rogers.com> <003601c8df7e$a2838220$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <003601c8df7e$a2838220$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8cf755d6-c576-4dc8-9fb2-6b3a870a60f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4872C914.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anne Moeller wrote: > Will this be taught at Pennsic? > > > > > > I highly recommend learning how to do it if you'd like nets made from > coloured thread. Once you've learned the basic knot, it's a > surprisingly fast and easy thing to do. I've taught it in the past, but not this year (I'm already committed to two other classes and my newspaper duties). Here's my instruction page, if you'd like to learn the basics... http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/hairnet.htm Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 7 22:42:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m682g1oD023883 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:42:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m682fuGt021005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:41:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m682fdGq069602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m682fdBS075941; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m682fafV075896 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KG3933XEi-0008VW; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:41:35 -0400 Message-ID: <012101c8e0a4$237556d0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <48701975.7020509@reddawn.net> <4870C843.8090504@rogers.com><003601c8df7e$a2838220$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <4872C8DC.4070101@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:41:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ss5LZhY8vJg7TQB0ldvzYuP7F+W1ZNu6EnZp 0yKxFMqw1yIcUS4Z37mpHnmm5UQbO+vdPmoBu1acUj2jwF5XMO 3FzV6Qv7zn5dmQ2cseXWw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5d6df3d-6a52-4883-9eb2-d00ae29e156e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4872D3F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Crespines--the hair net kind > Anne Moeller wrote: >> Will this be taught at Pennsic? >> >> >> >> >> >> I highly recommend learning how to do it if you'd like nets made from >> coloured thread. Once you've learned the basic knot, it's a surprisingly >> fast and easy thing to do. > > I've taught it in the past, but not this year (I'm already committed to > two other classes and my newspaper duties). > > Here's my instruction page, if you'd like to learn the basics... > http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/hairnet.htm > > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 12:24:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68GODrP010018 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:24:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68GNsUm004471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:24:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68GMD39011029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68GI7EO040886; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m68GI3Me040738 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21333 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2008 16:17:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6E5tR1TPS4A6rwaa3KYJuaUkIFYfJw0SrqHN5eE+9CRXTEwMBjFK2qOh8Z/1/PJy1+d+TL8ICyr1UPEGheZWEgsab4a9yjIvQ/a6APXjED6SeDAfee2o9NNDf6Mm6FdZ6gU3f6fw1ybZheWieb6S3o08m2YHDcyq15kAX8n0sKY=; Received: from [75.169.167.132] by web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:17:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1253.19996.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36e29fe8-f223-4efa-9c33-52f34d2f966c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4873949A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 12:32:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68GW582010309 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:32:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68GVueQ026325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68GVgoG012586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68GVfFV056649; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68GVc7t056483 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P00L5G4KE4Q11@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:31:26 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <1253.19996.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 505eb2b8-9051-4ff5-9760-f916d67d6a8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4873967C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 12:51:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68Gp4qO011017 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:51:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68GovOj022803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68GoXrq014967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68GoWdC077349; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m68GoTnT077186 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 14771 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 16:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:50:22 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:50:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c8e123$1dba1b20$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjhGCxfyaNo1RuyTgSD4AQVIGRhrAACq8wg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e374fdb8-899c-452e-8f08-9c03ec19a6f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48739AF1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:51:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fundamentalist Church of the Latter-Day Saints. It's a polygamist group that broke away from the main body of the Mormon church. If you Google, I'm sure you will find many *ahem* interesting news stories... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing FLDS? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:03:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68H3hBn011573 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:03:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68H3bsG030779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:03:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68H2jmP016087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68H2jRc090138; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68H2gWF089980 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P000WO6090WY0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:02:35 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <001501c8e123$1dba1b20$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85fcbc84-f385-4241-9761-a24e2372fa92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48739DE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:03:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, Frank. All that Poly is HOT in the summer. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:51 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Fundamentalist Church of the Latter-Day Saints. It's a polygamist group that broke away from the main body of the Mormon church. If you Google, I'm sure you will find many *ahem* interesting news stories... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing FLDS? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:07:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68H7gt7011774 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68H7a1d000534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:07:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68H7Pw2016509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68H7OY6095073; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m68H7LEZ094924 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 29365 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:07:14 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c8e125$78e85230$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjhHIzxiyufbv+AQCKm39Xbp7ReTQACNT6w X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6eea9d60-0f3e-4ffa-8779-a974f1e82166 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48739ED8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mmmm. Nothing like doing farm work while wearing a plastic tent.... Liadain (Mrs Frank...) THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:03 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Thanks, Frank. All that Poly is HOT in the summer. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:51 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Fundamentalist Church of the Latter-Day Saints. It's a polygamist group that broke away from the main body of the Mormon church. If you Google, I'm sure you will find many *ahem* interesting news stories... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing FLDS? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:14:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68HELIt012058 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:14:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68HEGYa007171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:14:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68HE1uY017196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HE0Z3003372; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HDv6V003201 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Thread-Index: AcjhHJ67YHGORgOjTYe+9rFuoo+D8QAAS4uw References: <001501c8e123$1dba1b20$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7277a51a-f5c9-4304-9c16-646aa58e5780 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4873A069.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > All that Poly is HOT in the summer. > > Monica > Especially when worn over the requisite full-body long underwear. In Texas...While doing hard physical labor... I wonder how much heat prostration happened at the compound... Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:38:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68HcTP7013055 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68HcOFA025849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:38:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68Hbrdd019177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68Hbr34027584; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HbWSb027111 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P00M4B7M68YI0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:37:19 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44b56754-c24f-45f4-96cd-e760d14017fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4873A610.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:38:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Isn't that considered abuse? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Schaeffer, Astrida Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing > All that Poly is HOT in the summer. > > Monica > Especially when worn over the requisite full-body long underwear. In Texas...While doing hard physical labor... I wonder how much heat prostration happened at the compound... Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:46:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68HkeBY013319 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:46:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68HkZPJ032290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:46:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68HkO2F019789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HkOwJ036664; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HkKse036486 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.49]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:46:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:46:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:46:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <1253.19996.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:46:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2008 17:46:15.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[84F00800:01C8E122] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d5f4f08-4a14-4587-a4c6-d062245d871f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4873A7FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:46:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 13:53:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68HrJ5S013544 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:53:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68HrE8I000889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68HqwTT020301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HqwjU043394; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68Hqs1Z043323 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E68D7580D5 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <1253.19996.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:08:37 -0400 Message-ID: <8F6C00BC87E64E34BFC51AF6ED008F28@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Thread-Index: AcjhItimjLnVLxh6TM6w8hmbGAubdgAAoU1g X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae03c5e2-93f3-4463-baee-1155188d6c1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4873A98A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively...certainly easy to ascertain if you hang out in Lancaster Co. PA long enough! It is easy to care for. There is nothing quite as fragrant as an Amish adolescent boy in a violet poly shirt. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:46 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 14:19:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68IJV1v014550 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:19:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68IJPRT024095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68HbZH6019148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HbXEY027239; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68HbUj2027067 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P00M4B7M68YI0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:37:18 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <001701c8e125$78e85230$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37bbb716-dcc8-4d12-8847-bd94b1a3c272 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4873AFAE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Keeps a girl's figure. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Mmmm. Nothing like doing farm work while wearing a plastic tent.... Liadain (Mrs Frank...) THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:03 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Thanks, Frank. All that Poly is HOT in the summer. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:51 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Fundamentalist Church of the Latter-Day Saints. It's a polygamist group that broke away from the main body of the Mormon church. If you Google, I'm sure you will find many *ahem* interesting news stories... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing FLDS? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 14:49:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68InH7H016250 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:49:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68InBSO014082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:49:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68ImoUB024795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68ImmlC099949; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68ImjLf099801 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P00GN3AX1J220@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:48:37 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <8F6C00BC87E64E34BFC51AF6ED008F28@Schwenkfelder.local> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69208d06-d148-4735-a15e-5244ff1494ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4873B6A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:49:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The biggest problem in my experience with poly is the fact it holds body oder so well. This might be good to help for police dogs, but not for people who wear it. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:09 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively...certainly easy to ascertain if you hang out in Lancaster Co. PA long enough! It is easy to care for. There is nothing quite as fragrant as an Amish adolescent boy in a violet poly shirt. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:46 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 15:34:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68JYKhA018221 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:34:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68JYExm012911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68JXme7028774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68JXljf046884; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68JXhFb046816 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2F1454C177 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:26:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B5C444C1C4 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:26:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B09240071 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:33:42 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Thread-Index: AcjhGB1160bn1IXJQSmwJ54toZQuLgAGIuPg References: <1253.19996.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 876a9763-bcbd-4c42-a89e-d210827eedd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4873C136.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:34:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The polyester probably saves on ironing, but a heavy cotton twill or at least a cotton poly blend would be cooler. And polyester is still heck to get stains out of, unless it is stain resistant, but then it won't breathe. Cut of the cloth, if boxy, would naturally stand away from the body and be cooler in summer and warmer in winter(know this personally), as well. Skirt hems can be weighted with lead or wood to preserve modestly in windy conditions. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing FLDS? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing I live in St George UT and the FLDS are about 2 hours away in Colorado City/Hildale, two towns in the UT/AZ border.I used to work in the JoAnn Fabrics here and saw many FLDS women in the store often.They use the poly fabric (a heavy gabardine or suiting) because it stands away from the body and does not follow the contours, preserving modesty. Some families do use softer, more flowing fabrics, but most use the heavy poly. The money apparently is being pooled and doled out on a need basis. The FLDS community follows the United Effort Plan- all held in common by the church and given back out based on need. I am not sure how it is administered, but nobody owns anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 17:10:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68LAiQJ023019 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68LAbFM028946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:10:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68L9oZI036915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68L9kfu040872; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m68L9fUW040713 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 26716 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 21:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:09:34 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c8e147$52ceeec0$a20d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjhHJ67YHGORgOjTYe+9rFuoo+D8QAAS4uwAApPd+A= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff1e06fb-58d2-4232-bad9-1908a2cdab73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4873D7CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:10:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Especially when worn over the requisite full-body long underwear. In Texas...While doing hard physical labor... I wonder how much heat prostration happened at the compound... Astrida Who cares, it's only wimmen...... Oooo. Did I "say" that with my outside voice? ;-P Seriously, comfort/safety are not high on the list. Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 17:24:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m68LOQXv023695 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:24:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m68LOJIH026384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68LNpDt038003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68LNoBh054344; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m68LNkwI054208 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P00KJWI3G4RH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:23:40 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <000a01c8e147$52ceeec0$a20d140a@edwardstepobxw> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f35b65df-3c08-4ef3-91a7-8092c0824b6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4873DB03.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:24:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:10 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Especially when worn over the requisite full-body long underwear. In Texas...While doing hard physical labor... I wonder how much heat prostration happened at the compound... Astrida Who cares, it's only wimmen...... Oooo. Did I "say" that with my outside voice? ;-P Seriously, comfort/safety are not high on the list. Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 20:36:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m690aZLO031143 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:36:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m690aPsA018175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:36:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m690Zxg0064730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m690Zt2I051358; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m690ZqwZ051191 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87780 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2008 00:35:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=COQE747anPeladPsrfjzFwJRpZ1TXt4gzHaxW1FP1hGiV536pSAZS7Gi0x+XOicdDwbMR+DiBynkGiV9YfpOPUoqeIHsPZ/rXyUX+ANk7mJ0LtZ+bcQJ4DA8pwgjeoWqWWu1TLMmkqiY2tSRmus/VWe4dQRS2afh19rU7ipOwtU=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:35:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <790070.86239.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bf3aefa-3604-46fe-a77e-e2a8a86606d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48740809.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:36:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this a hypothetical question, or a real one? I am not sure. Kimiko --- On Tue, 7/8/08, monica spence wrote: > WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? > Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 21:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6911k1q032626 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:01:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6911f7D030472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:01:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6911RvD067220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6911R1d081082; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6911NHs080909 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 21556 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2008 01:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:01:17 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c8e167$b2310fe0$140d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjhQP2qeeLgf5FHQHyTb3us42bnJwAJpi0g X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61426fd0-cc50-42db-b281-74639076ffa4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48740DF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:01:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Heh. You gonna open a BIG old can of fish with THAT one. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 21:08:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6918a3Q000384 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:08:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6918Ixj024796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:08:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69181Ml067497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69181m8088470; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6917wOU088292 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-214.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-214.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.214]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6917p98007509 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <291F6A6C-0CAC-4A3B-848C-130F7310D582@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <790070.86239.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:07:51 -0700 References: <790070.86239.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34a40d60-2d0c-474d-8e33-77984199aba9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48740F82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:08:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, monica spence wrote: > >> WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? >> Monica > > Is this a hypothetical question, or a real one? I am not sure. It's one that's probably way outside the scope of this list, at least as it's phrased. Discussing strictures, sumptuary laws and appropriate dress for a period may be appropriate (and necessary to understand how to recreate historical costume properly) and it may be possible to have a dispassionate discussion about the cultural circumstances in which historical costume developed... ...but gross generalization is always inappropriate. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 21:22:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m691MQHB000777 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:22:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m691MKaH009080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:22:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m691M6eF068273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691M6io005206; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691M3RH005005 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P002AMT4JPIE0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:54 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <001c01c8e167$b2310fe0$140d140a@edwardstepobxw> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d25fab3c-b9d5-4b92-899e-bd7f791758c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487412CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:22:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes-- I just LOVE to stir the pot. Ask anyone. :-) Baroness Catriona MacDuff OL, OP yadayada East Kingdom -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:01 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Heh. You gonna open a BIG old can of fish with THAT one. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 21:24:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m691O1OZ000818 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:24:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m691Ntdd014103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:23:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m691NjvC068327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691NjEb007136; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691M3RJ005005 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P002AMT4JPIE0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:55 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <291F6A6C-0CAC-4A3B-848C-130F7310D582@bovil.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 302fac5d-08fb-466b-b815-acc76528469b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4874132B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:23:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yup. :-) Monica Professior of Fashion History Art Institute of NYC -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, monica spence wrote: > >> WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? >> Monica > > Is this a hypothetical question, or a real one? I am not sure. It's one that's probably way outside the scope of this list, at least as it's phrased. Discussing strictures, sumptuary laws and appropriate dress for a period may be appropriate (and necessary to understand how to recreate historical costume properly) and it may be possible to have a dispassionate discussion about the cultural circumstances in which historical costume developed... ...but gross generalization is always inappropriate. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 21:25:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m691PX7t000858 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:25:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m691PS2f032682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m691PGlf068416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691PGCe009090; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m691M3RL005005 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3P002AMT4JPIE0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:21:55 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <790070.86239.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b027c0-157a-43b4-8114-517709e0f29b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48741388.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Being funny-- really. Monica Priofessor of Fashion History Art Institute of New York City -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Is this a hypothetical question, or a real one? I am not sure. Kimiko --- On Tue, 7/8/08, monica spence wrote: > WHY is it that men make the rules of what women wear? > Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 23:43:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m693hhBX005413 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:43:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m693hcCO014251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:43:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m693hF7a076500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m693hBxY068359; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m693h99t068205 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47955 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2008 03:43:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=icZ6XJMTAGjZ73yvnLYnHhtYdasxFKfBxmeL+h52TWQaRm4rJPOvkveLbFnTfHERh1gnhrpcsf/FxEU0opBYZ3+OtgdGUbF0vdJlqANUbltOVKk5gc6V00prz96sAe/5y6EA7ITDZzbjjv8xBOPSuycQDHJac69gc0jX72Yz0A0=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:43:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <772838.47486.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book: The Mercery Of London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae1d158e-861a-405d-9250-8871d097e00a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487433EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:43:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, Has anyone here read the book "The Mercery Of London: Trade, Goods And People, 1130-1578" by Anne F. Sutton? I just saw the book in a different book search, and realized I hadn't seen the title before, and before I plunk down the $160, or try to ILL it, I was wondering if it was worthy? Anyone? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 8 23:44:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m693iTIw005434 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:44:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m693iOtW012593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:44:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m693iAKU076576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m693iAck069517; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m693i7AO069330 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79214 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2008 03:44:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IRW3QaC0MPQskXShgwEuMgOXXAV7svEuDhigyBcUpeO/Cw9UG4Tt9Q5KM9rHzswjzv+07gMBbukUdVrYcZbnYQaDsL13E9lU0zDvJllEj659W40Hs+sOuHEpcAmEBWIPOsTDPpRuJ4f9JA1ZXqCLgXs2cy6zbMbbhJHqdvsE2yc=; Received: from [69.239.207.227] by web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:44:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <834251.78274.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbfe71f7-abaa-4951-987a-99b76c6cd43d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48743418.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kimiko --- On Tue, 7/8/08, monica spence wrote: > Being funny-- really. > > Monica > Priofessor of Fashion History > Art Institute of New York City _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 00:07:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69471lI006081 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:07:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6946twT011376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:06:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6946hPR077854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6946hIs095329; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+pavcmZR9i7jXtAREZn2lGhnQe1PhLFqw@mail44.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6946eo4095274 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6946c8H025884 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:06:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 28972 invoked by uid 80); 9 Jul 2008 04:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@68.91.212.110) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2008 04:06:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4874394C.8030306@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:06:36 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <772838.47486.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <772838.47486.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book: The Mercery Of London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecbd5b8f-0f0c-4ec4-86e7-7182696b7b91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4874395F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Has anyone here read the book "The Mercery Of London: Trade, Goods And People, 1130-1578" by Anne F. Sutton? I reviewed it for volume 3 of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. It's a large, detailed history of the people of London who made and sold linen and silk goods and small dress accessories. If you're looking for detail on the actual costume items, you'll have to dig to find the useful nuggets of information, as the book focuses primarily on the political, economic, and legal roles of the Mercer's Guild, and spends a lot of time discussing things like the personal histories of influential members and arguments over trade territories. If you want to read my review and don't have easy access to it, contact me directly. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 01:56:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m695unaW010547 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:56:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m695ujO7006067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:56:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m695uJrQ084549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m695uH0f069935; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m695uEe7069869 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumer@britten.com) Received: from [71.112.129.14] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KGSeu-0005Wu-BO for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <487452FA.7050902@britten.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:56:10 -0700 From: Constance Britten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c0ae0c53bb1f05fef23c377a6322d243239a348a220c26092dc6c4d14d4b0f1260ab5eca70ff4398666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.112.129.14 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd4c43c4-147e-4ca2-acc0-391da368cbdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4874531D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(Even better than that Baroness whatchamacallit business.) ;-) -- Constance monica spence wrote: > Being funny-- really. > > Monica > Priofessor of Fashion History > Art Institute of New York City > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 03:54:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m697sPEN007286 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:54:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m697sJC7015063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m697rhx5089629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m697rddU042039; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m697rYaa041957 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.100602229; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:53:20 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m697rJK07080.; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:53:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:53:19 +0100 Message-Id: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:53:03 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4d64b80-eef6-44ed-b397-af47972312a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48746EAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 09:22:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69DMTuC014980 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:22:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69DMOhm011788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:22:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69DLmQO006636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69DLjhi049969; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69DLguH049795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:23:19 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:23:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Thread-Index: AcjhQTzz93in9C/mRXOSaiM5SUm8IQAhaz6A Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CABB0CEE@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <000a01c8e147$52ceeec0$a20d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b19bd53-c743-447c-9ad4-650dda047102 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4874BB90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:10 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing Especially when worn over the requisite full-body long underwear. In Texas...While doing hard physical labor... I wonder how much heat prostration happened at the compound... Astrida Who cares, it's only wimmen...... Oooo. Did I "say" that with my outside voice? ;-P Seriously, comfort/safety are not high on the list. Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 10:02:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69E2sPH016429 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:02:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69E2nN6017993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69E2R8w009632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69E2RGo082535; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69E2OWo082413 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3Q0028SSBST241@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:02:14 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <487452FA.7050902@britten.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e853b1b-0e06-4c89-969c-3fe6e5939405 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4874C509.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:02:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Constance-- Perhaps I am misreading your post. I hope so. I have no interest in starting an email flame war. However, sometimes I must bow to the eloquence of others. FWIW-I would recommend you try to type while construction is going on above your head and then count your typos. (We are in the midst of kitchen construction, and being online is one of the few escapes from the mess. My kitchen is filled with large men doing plumbing and tilework as I write this.) BTW-- the Baroness business-- while maybe amusing to you, was in response to the response from a gentleman who answered to my question on FLDS, which I had never heard of. His SCA title was at the end of his post, and I responded in kind to let him know we are both in the SCA. Sorry if you thought it was funny or if you took offense. People here have many other talents and interests that play into the area of historical clothing. Monica Professor and SCA Baroness -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Constance Britten Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS Clothing "Priofessor"? Yup, that's a good one! *Very* funny! (Even better than that Baroness whatchamacallit business.) ;-) -- Constance monica spence wrote: > Being funny-- really. > > Monica > Priofessor of Fashion History > Art Institute of New York City > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 13:21:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69HLOlP026569 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:21:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69HLEtO022061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69HKXWQ026291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69HKSVs004111; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69HKRvf004083 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anastasi55@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so3061147rvb.0 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xUD9gBGdDpwenViorbc252VEf58XxM1an+PAZQOGLes=; b=PdqKKQ3PP7EbeJFf9MOAHBERVi3r2OrUXZ1VhKdmWOipRjkHuHoYf+hTjsAJtW3mMI qZR/vjvcTqazw1Q3vz2XvrUZr5dB1eN4UvMo8zwapFPV39KOBCnu48gglM0iWrIvefsx ZgHwDEAzs2k70ITXdMAWFYV8DFhN6oQd5WdBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lCtSH0hqLwJ9Gf4kZ1f++ih4v/4UT7SsZLjZLOUWdDS1cNTij6LDV8SZ4l48kJ5+pn kupZHVGX62oMfglAqpCBf0NYUyluQ0W2aoKuSZNC/OvuZIcWof7Ut6flAuUSijMlCgqf HFin2hcS48B7Pc5V3lAG5D1uv90YczMCMUWnI= Received: by 10.141.52.5 with SMTP id e5mr327166rvk.125.1215624026267; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.206.20 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8c0f98b30807091020q6ed1cacdj654429fa447f42f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:20:26 -0400 From: "Stacey Dunleavy" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2513603b-3681-445a-9182-863f9c999f2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4874F38A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was under the impression that the Pennsylvania Amish wear only natural fibers. At least the ones selling their cheeses and baked goods in NYC were wearing cotton twills pants, skirts, and bibs with cotton broadcloth shirts. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 13:30:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69HUCcd026884 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69HU5OT023235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69HTeAA027103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69HTdZZ012873; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m69HTaXi012690 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 7461 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2008 17:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:29:26 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8e1f1$bd6e75c0$a10d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjh6DeCnVRAQGPBTS6AJHsYvvuVCwACQ0cg In-Reply-To: <8c0f98b30807091020q6ed1cacdj654429fa447f42f0@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 287c8643-2fcb-4cbb-ae1d-6bb7dc80c58f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4874F59D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I imagine this varies, like color choices, from group to group - some groups (I know the organizational word, but darned if I can think of it!) are much more strict than others. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Dunleavy Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:20 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish I was under the impression that the Pennsylvania Amish wear only natural fibers. At least the ones selling their cheeses and baked goods in NYC were wearing cotton twills pants, skirts, and bibs with cotton broadcloth shirts. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 14:10:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69IAf0V028592 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:10:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69IAWsq010030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:10:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69IABc2030677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IAAIR053249; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IA81e053208 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA18758077 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:10:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8c0f98b30807091020q6ed1cacdj654429fa447f42f0@mail.gmail.com> <000001c8e1f1$bd6e75c0$a10d140a@edwardstepobxw> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:25:54 -0400 Message-ID: <4A751CF3A1E040B1B0745BCF8105EF07@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001c8e1f1$bd6e75c0$a10d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Thread-Index: Acjh6DeCnVRAQGPBTS6AJHsYvvuVCwACQ0cgAABRFdA= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29f8c8f2-5959-49b0-bf39-14c5a17596f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4874FF18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:10:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Amish absolutely do not limit themselves to natural fibers, and from my observation, are often wearing poly or cotton/poly blends. And they do make use of technology...cell phones even from what I've been told. It's just what they can have in the home vs what they can have in the barn to run their businesses. There are differences. And also -- they are business savvy. If you ever get a chance to visit Lancaster County -- and even the stores the Amish frequent -- you will see what I mean. Candace Perry A PA Dutch chick -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:30 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish I imagine this varies, like color choices, from group to group - some groups (I know the organizational word, but darned if I can think of it!) are much more strict than others. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Dunleavy Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:20 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish I was under the impression that the Pennsylvania Amish wear only natural fibers. At least the ones selling their cheeses and baked goods in NYC were wearing cotton twills pants, skirts, and bibs with cotton broadcloth shirts. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 14:37:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69IbpUo029987 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69IbjoW030998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:37:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69IWEgn032454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IWDTL074958; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IW9fg074893 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.29] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1737064924 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <034001c8e1f2$11d29dd0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8e1f1$bd6e75c0$a10d140a@edwardstepobxw> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:55:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FLDS vs. Amish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d9e094a-4277-4d77-bb3d-71ddf54e5834 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48750579.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sects? > (I know the organizational word, but darned if I can think of it!) > are much more strict than others. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 14:52:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69IqBAC030782 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:52:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69Iq6a3007509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69IpYlM034012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IpYXN093371; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69IpTke093214 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033E71328F8 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:51:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:51:05 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c09129d-02f5-4da0-882d-7021ada7aa4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487508D6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:52:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. > The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on "natural" or "organic" or "comfort", the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 15:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69JaDRO000622 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:36:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69Ja6b0001120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:36:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69JZofS037812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69JZmN9036174; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69JZkkQ036073 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3R00K0I7RDV000@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:35:36 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60f4776b-2398-4301-a1b9-0474c5bebca4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48751326.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:36:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aren't there House Amish and Church Amish with different approaches to technology? If you found garments labeled 100% cotton, that were not, you can call the Federal Trade commission. The miislabeling might be intentional, having to do with quotas of cotton garments brought into the States. Me-- I would can make a stink bacause the store is selling fradulently labeled goods to consumers. The manufacturer in China is pulling a fast one in order to get beat the quota system. Who knows, you might save a job here in the US. But let me not get on that soapbox. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: > Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. > The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on "natural" or "organic" or "comfort", the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 15:52:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69Jqmgn001435 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:52:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69JqfUF011985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:52:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69JqHD5039264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69JqHZa053692; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69JqDuw053491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:57 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:53 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Thread-Index: Acjh+09TK41dYTkRQpqAp/k56C84XgAAcikQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CABB0DF1@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecffc0ad-e7a0-421f-8c54-5dab99884e69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48751709.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From my understanding each group leader (meeting?) decides when and which modern items conflict with community. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Aren't there House Amish and Church Amish with different approaches to technology? If you found garments labeled 100% cotton, that were not, you can call the Federal Trade commission. The miislabeling might be intentional, having to do with quotas of cotton garments brought into the States. Me-- I would can make a stink bacause the store is selling fradulently labeled goods to consumers. The manufacturer in China is pulling a fast one in order to get beat the quota system. Who knows, you might save a job here in the US. But let me not get on that soapbox. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: > Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. > The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on "natural" or "organic" or "comfort", the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 9 17:04:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m69L4tbR004512 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:04:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m69L4lge023838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69Ks8Mq015136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69Ks2C8030825; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69KrxN7030735 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4BF3FE03CC; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:51:11 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:53:54 -0700 Message-ID: <007001c8e205$e64ae140$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjh9TRBb88hjsmpQbWLrgAXC94AsAAEHj+A In-Reply-To: <487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f44c3d8-2b67-4409-9489-a5619fb15687 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487527EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:04:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So could the Amish conceivably use solar, since it doesn't connect to anywhere? Then they could use electric sewing machines (see, I got costume content in there--:-) ) Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: > Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. > The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on "natural" or "organic" or "comfort", the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 8:32 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 10:01:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6AE1rke012022 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:01:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6AE1hFG005344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AE1LR4077018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AE1HGS055857; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AE1FOn055805 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1B51C8034 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:50:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net> <007001c8e205$e64ae140$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:16:59 -0400 Message-ID: <04D5433EE88940B6996EB41B676DB6DD@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acjh9TRBb88hjsmpQbWLrgAXC94AsAAEHj+AACRLNhA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <007001c8e205$e64ae140$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1c44e46-1c5b-43e4-a5e3-1ef0b7bd963f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48761647.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are many different groups of Amish, as someone pointed out, and they all have different dress traditions. The dress of the women I believe is derived from traditional rural PA German dress -- the shortgown specifically. The little peplum on these garments is interpreted, for example, as a little tab on the back of the garment, in some cases, but all the groups vary. The shortgown was held together with straight pins, and I think it is done that way still. And don't forget there are conservative Mennonites and Brethren groups that are not Amish, but are often confused with them -- all part of the sectarian Pennsylvania German sphere. I think that gas generators are permitted with some at least, and therefore they can run certain appliances in their homes. They are literally "off the grid." Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:54 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing So could the Amish conceivably use solar, since it doesn't connect to anywhere? Then they could use electric sewing machines (see, I got costume content in there--:-) ) Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: > Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. > The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on "natural" or "organic" or "comfort", the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 8:32 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 11:13:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6AFDNgX016165 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:13:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6AFDHxW007281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:13:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AFCbUa082615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:12:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AFCZF8024977; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AFCWgI024797 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:12:04 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04D5433EE88940B6996EB41B676DB6DD@Schwenkfelder.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Thread-Index: Acjh9TRBb88hjsmpQbWLrgAXC94AsAAEHj+AACRLNhAAAc5mUA== References: <48747C6F020000140010A01E@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><487516A9.8030409@reddawn.net><007001c8e205$e64ae140$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <04D5433EE88940B6996EB41B676DB6DD@Schwenkfelder.local> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 240a86d0-e759-4468-99b2-ea01054cf1fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4876270D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My favorite image is of a young Amish person zooming down the road on rollerblades... There's a contrast! There's apparently a term for the youthful "let them try the world" period teens are allowed to have during which usual rules don't apply as much, and it's "Rumspringes" which is just a lovely word. Literally, means jumping or springing around. OK, back to textiles.... Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 14:17:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6AIH7G2026890 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:17:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6AIGvGG021068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AIGcId004018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AIGZTE032750; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AIGX4h032634 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49173] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id 24/25-15038-BE156784; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:16:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:16:02 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amish sewing... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21a459d4-f873-45b8-a5e4-9fb52072e4ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48765219.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 12:00 PM -0600 7/10/08, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >So could the Amish conceivably use solar, since it doesn't connect to >anywhere? Then they could use electric sewing machines (see, I got costume >content in there--:-) ) >Sharon C. They use treadles--or at least have one out for display (yeah, well like the rest of us, they are not perfect!) even if they may sew on a battery powered more modern machine at home--at work if the Bishop allows it, most anything goes--computers, embroidery machines. I covet my neighbors >treadle< serger I've sewn on it and it is a dream. It's from the 70's I think. The Amish are just people, poly is longer lasting, take wear better and is cheeeper. Pridefulness and standing out seems to be one of the things of modern life they avoid, but they are very practical about sewing and clothing themselves (see more costume content!) It is fun to do historical textile craft demos and have the Amish come and gawk at the English I got asked why I didn't buy my yarn at Walmart... Best costuming complement I ever got was one old Amish gentleman (who bought and sold antiques) asking if DH's shirt was an antique--he thought from just looking at it that it was a twin to one he just sold Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 16:13:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6AKDLiu032228 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:13:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6AKDFni004309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:13:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AK7BQb032474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AK79jY086437; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AK74Cf086315 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080710200703.RSGX8173.fep53.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:07:03 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080710200703.HOZR1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:07:03 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c8e2c8$832d4da0$67e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:07:02 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6276f1d4-8fd9-4fb0-b95f-fccce04697a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48766D5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:13:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern cut. What i need is the year of the publikation. Thankyou....... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 17:05:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6AL5AVv001773 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:05:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6AL54Nn003318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AL4eDr041193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AL4dZd052166; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6AL4Zl0052006 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W7 ([65.55.138.42]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.206.4] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:04:29 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c8e2c8$832d4da0$67e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <001101c8e2c8$832d4da0$67e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 21:04:30.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BAE73C0:01C8E2D0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 592975f3-f4ba-4bcc-8310-7b1b729b9783 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48767981.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:05:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766" in Costume, London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21." Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source awhile back...can't remember who... http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html Sg > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 > Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern cut. What i need is the year of the publikation. > Thankyou....... > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 17:15:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ALF2IL002182 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:15:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ALEsgV002358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ALEakj042531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ALEZxV062845; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ALEVoL062681 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K3T002707000EJ0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:21 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7dcf1e38-3f61-468b-9f30-d23c4737dbfd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48767BCE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Speaking of Janet Arnold-- Who is going to Florence in November for the Collequium? (Besides me and 3 friends, that is). Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society "A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766" in Costume, London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21." Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source awhile back...can't remember who... http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html Sg > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 > Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern cut. What i need is the year of the publikation. > Thankyou....... > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 10 17:22:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ALMFwr002513 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:22:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ALMAbo012819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:22:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ALLUAw043501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ALLSb6070289; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ALLOfa070226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ALLOYq011608 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:24 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20080710162124.2gpczm4l4w00cw8o@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:24 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6eef51c-3acf-4338-9453-395207fff2ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48767D82.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Me, me, me! Emma Quoting monica spence : > Speaking of Janet Arnold-- > Who is going to Florence in November for the Collequium? (Besides me and 3 > friends, that is). > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:04 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > > > "A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766" in Costume, > London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21." > > Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source awhile back...can't > remember who... > http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html > > Sg > >> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 >> Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society >> >> Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet > Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena in > 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern cut. > What i need is the year of the publikation. >> Thankyou....... >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 09:39:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6BDdvOV028534 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:39:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BDdpes012793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6BDdRDm001592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BDdOgS057114; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BDdKoh057058 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080711133919.VNWR14896.fep51.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:39:19 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080711133919.IBAU17835.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:39:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c8e35b$82d6e670$67e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c8e2c8$832d4da0$67e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:39:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:39:18 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56edae5c-9f8b-4024-a644-3ccf859904d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487762A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > "A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766" in Costume, > London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21." > > Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source awhile > back...can't remember who... > http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html > > Sg > >> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 >> Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society >> >> Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet >> Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena >> in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern >> cut. What i need is the year of the publikation. >> Thankyou....... >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 11:37:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6BFb6tb032410 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:37:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BFb1GM030016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6BFaiMn011851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BFahhp069046; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BFaeT9068882 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society Thread-Index: Acji0hDOV/Ks6grAQ52hFfT9mSEZ2QAmce0w References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25d4b811-dcc5-414e-b5c0-8d8a58cbcaa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48777E1D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:14 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > Speaking of Janet Arnold-- > Who is going to Florence in November for the Collequium? > (Besides me and 3 friends, that is). > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:04 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > > > "A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766" > in Costume, London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21." > > Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source > awhile back...can't remember who... > http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html > > Sg > > > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 > > Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > > > > Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet > Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of > Sophia Magdalena in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of > the article with the pattern cut. > What i need is the year of the publikation. > > Thankyou....... > > > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 11:38:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6BFcxqj032499 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:38:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BFcreV016634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6BFccAe011994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BFccJT070999; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/P8231yQLntnyOC6axG3PKknfJU2PQFqs@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BFcYo3070935 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6BFcXgC012853 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:38:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 5427 invoked by uid 80); 11 Jul 2008 15:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@68.91.212.110) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2008 15:38:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48777E74.7070505@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:38:28 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Need a reference from Costume journal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5496d4bb-5f93-4e2a-80bc-6a1d0c5bee34 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48777E8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone here have on hand a copy of Costume issue 9 (1975)? I need to verify a citation from it, and my own collection starts with issue 10. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 15:04:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6BJ45p3006092 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BJ3xd1010468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6BJ3XtU028251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BJ3UUT098942; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BJ3SWd098902 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so2875227wri.8 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cxwedPLxrz6EFrHNA8lxwE9HsIqoPuYVJ3bVLKa1iAY=; b=leg5IabjgRjIqJ8yDZPu4STfWKNAkmtYdKwCXR6GZt5hk8BlhuoyY/vS+IDkxsbfJY MZYuX/GCKc/m2aOGSoALZKYi9QCEvjRKBTYZOlTgaaEYndVTTt6iv9VT064zV9bswtUR PLzCPkFMh33YlkdAB9OTt7Vrzosmmjy7LovBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FsXCmwr1rjdP4Upw4l0MJUg8ExSMaYSSApfB0D2vJ+dGwarwUQABVoRhLIaUlgH3I7 4p+CIe8onItbynxqw/ZOUoU9TodwWwac/pnDdrZGil9hes624RbXuzhz6YaAQ+EHp3tA aFBopGXKd+ljC903i3aapGEUGI71nzFXp+Irg= Received: by 10.90.96.1 with SMTP id t1mr11887778agb.105.1215803007914; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.16 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190807111203v3262784dj97e209a7938f0091@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:03:27 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence colloquium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41016376-badb-43cd-8e7c-ae3f14b2397c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4877AE9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'll be there... Allison T. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:21 -0400 > From: monica spence > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Speaking of Janet Arnold-- > Who is going to Florence in November for the Collequium? (Besides me and 3 > friends, that is). > Monica > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 15:04:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6BJ4I2f006102 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BJ4Dpc008110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6BJ3xku028280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BJ3xRt099393; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BJ3Sqc098901 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so3252778wra.23 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cxwedPLxrz6EFrHNA8lxwE9HsIqoPuYVJ3bVLKa1iAY=; b=leg5IabjgRjIqJ8yDZPu4STfWKNAkmtYdKwCXR6GZt5hk8BlhuoyY/vS+IDkxsbfJY MZYuX/GCKc/m2aOGSoALZKYi9QCEvjRKBTYZOlTgaaEYndVTTt6iv9VT064zV9bswtUR PLzCPkFMh33YlkdAB9OTt7Vrzosmmjy7LovBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FsXCmwr1rjdP4Upw4l0MJUg8ExSMaYSSApfB0D2vJ+dGwarwUQABVoRhLIaUlgH3I7 4p+CIe8onItbynxqw/ZOUoU9TodwWwac/pnDdrZGil9hes624RbXuzhz6YaAQ+EHp3tA aFBopGXKd+ljC903i3aapGEUGI71nzFXp+Irg= Received: by 10.90.96.1 with SMTP id t1mr11887778agb.105.1215803007914; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.16 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190807111203v3262784dj97e209a7938f0091@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:03:27 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence colloquium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 342955d6-ba73-4d9a-94f8-77f430ccbced X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4877AEAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:04:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'll be there... Allison T. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:14:21 -0400 > From: monica spence > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Speaking of Janet Arnold-- > Who is going to Florence in November for the Collequium? (Besides me and 3 > friends, that is). > Monica > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 11 23:12:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6C3CoDU023984 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:12:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6C3ChQx012775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:12:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6C3CLkB066945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6C3CHpN062509; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6C3CEp2062445 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 57859 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 03:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.239.181?) 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Thurman wrote: > I'll be there... > > Allison T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 13:09:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CH95fg021806 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CH8xtr018022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CH8TXX018818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CH8QDx094248; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6CH8NbJ094145 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47699 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2008 17:08:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LRGbQjKeuGPgVgwxCtp0DzeQfpHthKdA1vG8mjleUeo9HnhRMN3MG3t5qOS73rcgNa0AqUupp2FZglrLrZ9v4hYyIqzfQ5TEzZ8kko+5o1PBP9UdM+EvjngZ7X0LHN2bT+5I9kP8TwgYMvVYS94ALq05tuxjK30Lx+UrXs5Ad2s=; Received: from [75.104.160.37] by web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:08:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4faf158c-4f79-460c-9da1-90dd1ad9d97f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4878E52B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm I got this link from this group.=A0 It intrigued me, so I made the sarafin = using the dimensions from the article, and using=A0a light-weight linen.=A0= When I tried it on it hung all wrong.=A0 The drawing has a drape to it tha= t the linen just doesn't do.=A0 More than that, the way they show it the si= lk bands across the front don't show very well.=A0 I found that if I folded= the front into two large pleats, one under each brooch, the bands showed n= icely, and it hung very well. I went back to the article and found a link to the original Russian article= .=A0 I copied it and pasted it to Microsoft Word and then used the translat= ion function in Word to do a literal translation.=A0 Picked up a little mor= e info.... but the eye-opening thing was the drawing... there is a second d= rawing that the English article leaves out!=A0 This drawing shows the front= folded with a front placket and a large pleat under each brooch!=A0 The En= glish article has a footnote referencing this drawing with a link to it... = http://pskovarheolog.ru/imgs/docs/68-156.jpg=A0, and noting that the way th= e sarafin was drawn would be difficult to wear because the straps would fal= l down, but it states that it is an apron added to the front of the sarafin= to hold it together!=A0 I can see why they think this, but after my experi= ment I am convinced that it is an alternate folding (I think the correct on= e!) of the material.=A0 = Thought you'd find this interesting!=A0 Kathy PS I've mostly lurked on this group, so it's fun to actually have something= to share! = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 13:21:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CHLj7C022761 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:21:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CHLdAf004584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:21:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CHLS6v020604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CHLSLn003844; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CHLPKn003792 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B99D9F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:26:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807121326.02704.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfcd9954-f5f2-4a89-9833-ecec50a8524f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4878E823.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 1:08:18 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I got this link from this group.=A0 It intrigued me, so I made the sarafin > using the dimensions from the article, and using=A0a light-weight linen.= =A0 > When I tried it on it hung all wrong.=A0 The drawing has a drape to it th= at > the linen just doesn't do.=A0 More than that, the way they show it the si= lk > bands across the front don't show very well. I've been planning to try the same thing, just haven't got around to it yet= . = I'm inclined to agree with you that the bands wouldn't show well if the apr= on = dress were made that way. > I found that if I folded the = > front into two large pleats, one under each brooch, the bands showed > nicely, and it hung very well. Interesting. How do you mean? Do you mean that you pin through the pleats= as = well as through the loops? If not, how do you get the pleats to stay put? -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 14:37:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CIbT6p026175 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:37:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CIbN98030918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CIb0sT031495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CIawS5064945; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:36:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CIatCO064745 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumer@britten.com) Received: from [71.112.129.14] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KHjxh-0001fX-T7 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:36:50 -0400 Message-ID: <4878F9C1.4030209@britten.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:36:49 -0700 From: Constance Britten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-ELNK-Trace: c0ae0c53bb1f05fef23c377a6322d243239a348a220c26094ef205470b2cf6047f395b1d719d361a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.112.129.14 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6cef523-4b13-4154-8181-c36663c88dc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4878F9E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:37:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for posting! I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned." However, seeing as that article omitted the image describing the pleats, I'm wondering if, when you did your translation work (very kewl, BTW), you happened to find any more info about the silk? -- Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 15:24:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CJOJVF027930 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:24:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CJODRe009205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:24:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CJO049042481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CJO0mQ004541; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6CJNvJ3004462 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52475 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2008 19:23:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6W/yk5/9k5x7Avthrk+ufIyQQPn/tLagWVTfJ/2zS6XUb1lybytHo7LXnaY+viKOZtGWYYunlkS1DMGVmTgrw+uwVWb1P66mBL3St5wCwmCHVloFBfhYjwRWF6gbemyAiEzbBadFw8Lzks30gQhTA4y+blsK1V4QC3jp2v8suPk=; Received: from [75.104.160.36] by web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:23:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b1d20b2-ad60-451f-8981-262aac91c40e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487904DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:24:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don't own large turtle brooche= s... but a friend does so that will be the next thing... along with photos.= Turtle brooches are so large and heavy that I'm thinking they will hold th= e folds down.=A0 If not, there is still basting.=A0 I've been thinking too.= .. with the pleats the sarafin will accomodate a pregnant belly... and if t= he pleats can be pulled out at will, they would accomodate breast-feeding a= s well.=A0 Just a thought. Another really cool thing in the Russian article.... the straps end in loop= s... so the big turtle brooch pins don't have to go through the fabric! Gytha ----- Original Message ---- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:26:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume On Saturday 12 July 2008 1:08:18 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I got this link from this group.=A0 It intrigued me, so I made the sarafin > using the dimensions from the article, and using=A0a light-weight linen.= =A0 > When I tried it on it hung all wrong.=A0 The drawing has a drape to it th= at > the linen just doesn't do.=A0 More than that, the way they show it the si= lk > bands across the front don't show very well. I've been planning to try the same thing, just haven't got around to it yet= .=A0 = I'm inclined to agree with you that the bands wouldn't show well if the apr= on = dress were made that way. > I found that if I folded the = > front into two large pleats, one under each brooch, the bands showed > nicely, and it hung very well. Interesting.=A0 How do you mean?=A0 Do you mean that you pin through the pl= eats as = well as through the loops?=A0 If not, how do you get the pleats to stay put? -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 15:37:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CJbh6C028480 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CJbckS001109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:37:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CJbGGq043364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CJbECl012846; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6CJbBj1012767 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40304 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2008 19:37:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CITRBWaaegHYGU8iaPwAQuSFUDhtwxqv/RoY4B4rsI0U29mmTrTPmVY/+XyKt6VvN6LhduWp901X4Jly8s+t+oIZE5MBcmr3U5s5LmC6wkV8RCw6UsB442anJ8OeY2iQamo0cHUrvIYgXlBbRxRd2oXcP38KNOZYpAFALPZ/WjI=; Received: from [75.104.160.38] by web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:37:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <704542.40224.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e3fe110-ad07-4fb8-adfd-7084d11ec079 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48790802.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:37:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No, some words don't seem to translate, like their word for fibula, which i= s similar, but different, but there was no particular untranslated word tha= t would appear to describe the weave. I used to pieces of Thai silk that I = had... simple tabby, and a weft-faced patterned silk for the patterned pane= l.=A0 I'll send you a copy of the translation... maybe another set of eyes = can tell more!=A0 Gytha ----- Original Message ---- From: Constance Britten To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:36:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume Thanks for posting! I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and = patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned." However, seeing as that article omitted the image describing the pleats, = I'm wondering if, when you did your translation work (very kewl, BTW), = you happened to find any more info about the silk? -- Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 15:53:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CJrWmx029839 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:53:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CJrRj6026513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CJrD98044415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CJrDf3023020; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CJrB2E022994 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cilean@dracolore.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2267772fkk.15 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.58.3 with SMTP id g3mr11938977fga.21.1215891996205; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.98.6 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b0cac540807121246x546db94cibadcb7ddffb87c84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:36 -0700 From: "Simone Bryan" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence colloquium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f804a42-c7f3-4838-81df-d53b19a06404 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48790BB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:53:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Drea Leed is going, along with several people in Oregon. I wish I could go ;o( but I found out about this too late for me to actually plan for it. I will be in England during that time! So I will be picking up the newest book while there, it comes out November 3rd or 4th I think? Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 16:11:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CKBZm2031677 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CKBUiM010178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CKBCua045522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKBA5V034034; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKB7S3034006 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079399F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:15:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <141003.47083.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4878F9C1.4030209@britten.com> In-Reply-To: <4878F9C1.4030209@britten.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807121615.45451.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f06073b8-eb1f-4f10-b2ac-421d858b87b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48790FF2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 2:36:49 pm Constance Britten wrote: > Thanks for posting! > > I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and > patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned." However, I found an abstract of the NESAT X papers on the web--which included the paper by the team working on the Pskov find. That abstract gives more information than the web writeup--and it says that some of the silk trim on the apron dress *is* indeed patterned: "The silken trimming of the upper part of the apron consissted of several details cut from different kinds of silk. These were all cloths of Byzantine type. On silken cloth no. 1, a woven pattern has been recognized with a scene of the Sassanian prince Bahram Gur hunting. In Europe, cloths with similar designs are known by finds from Milan, Cologne, and Prague. Within the territory of Russia they have been found at tmountain burial grounds of the northern Caucasus. All of them are dated, at the latest, to the 9th century being imitations of the earlier Sassanian textiles." To find the abstract, go here: http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/nesat/abstracts/ and click on the link "Abstracts PDF." The PDF is a long document because it includes an abstract for all the NESAT X papers. The abstract on the Pskov paper can be found on the last two pages of that document. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 16:15:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CKFNuM031868 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:15:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CKFHvT012643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CKF8LW045773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKF8om036495; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKF47N036451 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9339F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:19:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807121619.43081.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c09d2df-876a-4771-a26a-c4d9a657fa1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 487910D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:15:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:23:51 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don't own large turtle > brooches... but a friend does so that will be the next thing... along with > photos. Turtle brooches are so large and heavy that I'm thinking they will > hold the folds down. I have tried a similar "pleat" trick with an apron dress I've made that's not based on the Pskov find, but is essentially still a large tube on straps. My experience is that such a pleat *won't* stay unless it's pinned or basted--the weight of the brooches isn't enough to hold the pleats when one moves. That's why I was curious to see what you've done. Basting should certainly work... but if it was the way the dress was worn, you'd expect there to be holes, like the holes the researchers found that they believe indicate where the loops originally were (the loops in the find were actually found in the brooches, and not on the dress). -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 16:18:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CKIJ2F032095 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:18:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CKIEvW012809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CKI0ko045978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKI03E038207; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CKHurZ038165 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F4F9F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:22:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <704542.40224.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <704542.40224.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807121622.35235.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3fc01655-7f37-4fe5-833c-673d7d1f7717 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48791186.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:37:05 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > No, some words don't seem to translate, like their word for fibula, which > is similar, but different, but there was no particular untranslated word > that would appear to describe the weave. I used to pieces of Thai silk th= at > I had... simple tabby, and a weft-faced patterned silk for the patterned > panel.=A0 I'll send you a copy of the translation... maybe another set of > eyes can tell more! By the way, there's another literal translation of the Russian write up on = the = Pskov Archaeological Centre's website done by Lisa Kies--you can compare it = to what you have. It appears to be a fairly literal translation. http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/PskovTranslation.html -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 17:05:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CL5nNX002141 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:05:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CL5iV8032568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CL0JqK048407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CL0HGR061969; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CL0EjW061861 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ozFY1Z0060b6N64A9909gR; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:00:09 +0000 Received: from Desktop2004 ([68.54.9.232]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p9081Z00550Nm3o8P908Dw; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:00:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IAn5fl6CQ1QxW5cwScAA:9 a=IZ6N7Sdj9MjNLAwn3D18eiT2j5kA:4 a=10sAvMsTeQkA:10 From: "Joan Mielke" To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:00:06 -0600 Message-ID: <9D38185675A6493AA5F8805ADD11FA6F@Desktop2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjkSR/1y2A0HVfaSHuCOjQhVvh7HQAGJ6Gw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59395321-5ba2-482a-8952-cbedeee72b5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48791CA8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Very interesting article! I wonder, though, if the apron/dress may have been made of wool instead of linen. I reread the article, and it doesn't actually say what the dress itself was made of. It was stitched with linen, which makes sense, and the silk was backed on linen, which also makes sense. However, the original drape would work if the dress were made of a relatively heavy wool. Sort of like a rectangular cloak on backwards. Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 18:06:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6CM6kSa005153 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:06:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6CM6fPh001246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:06:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6CM67bh052449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CM65Ph006920; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6CM62rQ006891 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F119F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:10:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <9D38185675A6493AA5F8805ADD11FA6F@Desktop2004> In-Reply-To: <9D38185675A6493AA5F8805ADD11FA6F@Desktop2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807121810.41113.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a78756d-4cea-4796-822c-c446061231ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48792AF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 5:00:06 pm Joan Mielke wrote: > Very interesting article! I wonder, though, if the apron/dress may have > been made of wool instead of linen. I reread the article, and it doesn't > actually say what the dress itself was made of. It was stitched with > linen, which makes sense, and the silk was backed on linen, which also > makes sense. However, the original drape would work if the dress were made > of a relatively heavy wool. Sort of like a rectangular cloak on backwards. Maybe not, but the abstract I sent around the URL for does. It's very clear that both garments are linen, trimmed with silk. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 20:09:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6D09uuN010346 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:09:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6D09p6W006769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:09:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6D09WeD059256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D09T3c073346; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6D09PNW073259 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36850 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2008 00:09:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KqCuNS03iFMbs+6g9uhFI8kIgf0H5XmZjGJwSGhedTxdHHU6L8lMjwKaPi8c5NAhxOtjZORsaSuDYfmOB2y6i9CdvvfIsfXIf4/20LyvpnCQCs6BuSyjAq5kM/CeD4hYtLRjs52K9+b05VC7MVynfO5agKS3mM5MDChELiTa7FM=; Received: from [75.104.160.56] by web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:09:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <711182.27632.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ce0cc2d-f368-47f8-ab04-5887a3030d10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487947CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:09:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, that's a much better translation!=A0 Thank you!=A0 It's not liter= al, it makes much more sense...=A0 Kathy ----- Original Message ---- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:22:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:37:05 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > No, some words don't seem to translate, like their word for fibula, which > is similar, but different, but there was no particular untranslated word > that would appear to describe the weave. I used to pieces of Thai silk th= at > I had... simple tabby, and a weft-faced patterned silk for the patterned > panel.=A0 I'll send you a copy of the translation... maybe another set of > eyes can tell more! By the way, there's another literal translation of the Russian write up on = the = Pskov Archaeological Centre's website done by Lisa Kies--you can compare it = to what you have.=A0 It appears to be a fairly literal translation. http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/PskovTranslation.html -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 20:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6D0CV7j010487 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:12:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6D0CQRm024243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:12:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6D0CEpE059431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D0CE1H074738; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6D0CBiV074672 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57324 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2008 00:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=11L9+3cI5DRAaeuypeHPgjUHdHcSAWVS6+PU7pFm76H5cOZSKdcqGfItxZbj89TtwAR5lzL8fT8tLzYYMCCnwSRLPFNqt/odJf7WLWresgbIMexOzEcOWBGfkHQTf885yL2rR0N3VfxVyorfralehMpytw24VovQk2qTBpyHqvY=; Received: from [75.104.160.38] by web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:12:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <905538.55571.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e06ec43e-375a-4d59-93d4-fd03209f77ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4879486A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:12:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, I've wondered the same thing.=A0 With nothing about needle holes I ha= te to assume it was basted.=A0 I'll be wearing this to events this summer, = so I'll be seeing how it works.=A0 Will be looking for the experience of ot= hers too.=A0 Kathy ----- Original Message ---- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:19:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:23:51 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don't own large turtle > brooches... but a friend does so that will be the next thing... along with > photos. Turtle brooches are so large and heavy that I'm thinking they will > hold the folds down. I have tried a similar "pleat" trick with an apron dress I've made that's n= ot = based on the Pskov find, but is essentially still a large tube on straps. M= y = experience is that such a pleat *won't* stay unless it's pinned or = basted--the weight of the brooches isn't enough to hold the pleats when one = moves.=A0 That's why I was curious to see what you've done. = Basting should certainly work... but if it was the way the dress was worn, = you'd expect there to be holes, like the holes the researchers found that = they believe indicate where the loops originally were (the loops in the fin= d = were actually found in the brooches, and not on the dress). -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 20:14:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6D0EL98010578 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:14:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6D0EFur026890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:14:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6D0E6ss059513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D0E6lE075657; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6D0E2kp075587 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7013 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2008 00:13:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=EQmNtk6SUal6uXOmw0AAKR83zCrYQPYeYWNYPr4i74Kn9AR9LONE0TR1LfFaKNoz+2a0n25uckdINg6Q0xEySIJAmlBMjvcaviCR2vvTyz0gjEIiGveeEYbgGSuh6g5GCw9XJ8HvFAfgF+7A9VwPrnLZyQiPw2fC94V0f3zHVz4=; Received: from [75.104.160.56] by web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:13:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <420994.5830.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8949506-2f81-4853-af86-1f9deb289761 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487948D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the link!=A0 I know I read somewhere about the middle panel bein= g patterned... and that it was 100 years older than the rest of the garment= .=A0 The abstracts are great and I think I need to buy it!=A0=A0 Kathy ----- Original Message ---- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:15:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume On Saturday 12 July 2008 2:36:49 pm Constance Britten wrote: > Thanks for posting! > > I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and > patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned." However, I found an abstract of the NESAT X papers on the web--which includ= ed = the paper by the team working on the Pskov find.=A0 That abstract gives mor= e = information than the web writeup--and it says that some of the silk trim on = the apron dress *is* indeed patterned: "The silken trimming of the upper part of the apron consissted of several = details cut from different kinds of silk.=A0 These were all cloths of Byzan= tine = type.=A0 On silken cloth no. 1, a woven pattern has been recognized=A0 with= a = scene of the Sassanian prince Bahram Gur hunting.=A0 In Europe, cloths with = similar designs are known by finds from Milan, Cologne, and Prague.=A0 With= in = the territory of Russia they have been found at tmountain burial grounds of = the northern Caucasus.=A0 All of them are dated, at the latest, to the 9th = century being imitations of the earlier Sassanian textiles." To find the abstract, go here: http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/nesat/abstracts/ and click on the link "Abstracts PDF."=A0 The PDF is a long document becaus= e it = includes an abstract for all the NESAT X papers.=A0 The abstract on the Psk= ov = paper can be found on the last two pages of that document.=A0 = -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 22:26:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6D2Q6s1017331 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:26:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6D2PvfS014990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:26:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6D2PXq2067995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D2PVGQ052085; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D2PSsx052059 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:25:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4420E9F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:30:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <711182.27632.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <711182.27632.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807122230.07248.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cfaf42a-e704-4150-b5e2-9a9ec85d2355 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487967B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 8:09:19 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Actually, that's a much better translation!=A0 Thank you!=A0 It's not lit= eral, > it makes much more sense...=A0 Kathy > Glad to be of service. I was only reporting my impression of the feel of t= he = translation. Since I don' t know Russian myself, I can't know how "literal= " = it is or is not. :-) -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 12 22:27:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6D2RVdD017431 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:27:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6D2ROg2008981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6D2QxOT068058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D2QxXh052777; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D2QuCp052753 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:26:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09909F063A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <420994.5830.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <420994.5830.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807122231.36223.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 261d7b80-f317-4d0e-a99f-796216c8d159 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4879680C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:27:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 12 July 2008 8:13:57 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Thanks for the link!=A0 I know I read somewhere about the middle panel be= ing > patterned... and that it was 100 years older than the rest of the garment= .=A0 > The abstracts are great and I think I need to buy it!=A0=A0 Kathy The paper will be in NESAT X, but the conference was only held this May, so = it's hard to say how long it will be before the book with the proceeding = papers is finally published. (I want a copy too!) -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 13 17:25:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6DLPW2m018556 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6DLPPlB003396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6DLP5OC031150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DLP1bF008957; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DLOxIC008925 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2574112fkk.15 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:24:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IT54Csrwl3eXO4OpGKScKWSpvIutHmaHnEby3iW+ngw=; b=oqXquaLEzyHXRPMW4EJ10VWzzFpF4c1WqBktUOGQsO3cPaUslSXP4yHwEgYxyss4Pl Uhrq6Ljwzxomk2pzI77pGU8gDHfg6DTEyIfeme1BpyGT6BlUyNCpTHfPFSamH8z1r9iA NTIXls8XsmmJH8qnPwR5uPA7Ww+OnQ9MtUK/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ny9oGttpfIg3G/njb7ZsSVG+Z0sK5ebqvb7OPnF09zI8WY9QjLKUy3eotdXMmbpzOf mbXbAoSNnxLCKbA5Mnk8aFSwLlvO+uf9vJ1WNCCwOap7Q5GQ/g7NzZB94wRhpdI6Zv/s hPKdtQn1K2NEkFQMM4W2fLArpSd5+jvYa4mWk= Received: by 10.187.182.10 with SMTP id j10mr1160053fap.39.1215984298810; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ( [90.196.92.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d13sm8910932fka.3.2008.07.13.14.24.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <487A72A3.2090303@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:24:51 +0100 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807121619.43081.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200807121619.43081.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae9156c2-3a73-4321-a87a-14d1b693d09e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487A72C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:25:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more easily? Interestingly, that formation is almost exactly like I was shown to make a hangarock (18 years ago for a friend's wedding, so I don't know where the research came from), except backwards. It was a tube with a big box pleat in the centre back, sewn down along the top edge. I had such a small bust, and such a long stride, that the pleat went all the way round to under my arms! But certainly putting it in front would allow for pregnancy. Jean Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:23:51 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > >> Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don't own large turtle >> brooches... but a friend does so that will be the next thing... along with >> photos. Turtle brooches are so large and heavy that I'm thinking they will >> hold the folds down. >> > > I have tried a similar "pleat" trick with an apron dress I've made that's not > based on the Pskov find, but is essentially still a large tube on straps. My > experience is that such a pleat *won't* stay unless it's pinned or > basted--the weight of the brooches isn't enough to hold the pleats when one > moves. That's why I was curious to see what you've done. > > Basting should certainly work... but if it was the way the dress was worn, > you'd expect there to be holes, like the holes the researchers found that > they believe indicate where the loops originally were (the loops in the find > were actually found in the brooches, and not on the dress). > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 13 18:53:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6DMrqg1022492 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6DMrksa012233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6DMr7xg035936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DMr5nF067887; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DMr3jl067861 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9739F063B for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:57:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807121619.43081.cathy@thyrsus.com> <487A72A3.2090303@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <487A72A3.2090303@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807131857.45588.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6957426d-57b3-4f85-8ef7-048bd99be440 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487A877B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:53:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote: > In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do > you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight > around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more > easily? > > Interestingly, that formation is almost exactly like I was shown to make > a hangarock (18 years ago for a friend's wedding, so I don't know where > the research came from), except backwards. It was a tube with a big box > pleat in the centre back, sewn down along the top edge. I had such a > small bust, and such a long stride, that the pleat went all the way > round to under my arms! But certainly putting it in front would allow > for pregnancy. Yes, the inset picture does seem to show a third brooch in the center. So far as I know, no such brooch was found in the grave, but we don't have full data on the find. It does show a narrow apron worn in front and positioned between the tortoise brooches, which I'm skeptical about, since that approach would also hide the silk trim on the apron dress. There are any number of ways in which a sewn pleat/s could be incorporated into an apron dress. The only one that I know has been documented by a find is this one, which was found in Denmark and is the subject of a reconstruction model in the Danish National Museum. There's a photo of the reconstruction about 2/3 of the way down on this page on the right: http://www.vikingsofbjornstad.gbtllc.com/MuseumCopenhagen.htm -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 02:45:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6F6joxY015986 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:45:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6F6jXJX020802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6F6j5w2057061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6j1EW021812; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6ixG2021764 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6C6144F028A; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:42:14 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c8e646$4b398860$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjmRkr/s6nt9pHNTECjdsAMvlLV2g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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(again) Thank you, Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 02:55:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6F6tfqX018040 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6F6tZS9022045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6F6tHt3058441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6tHLr028603; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6tEIE028564 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KIeRN1KLS-0004Yu; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00b901c8e647$bb759190$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005101c8e646$4b398860$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18aDs17H8v8MiJ1eEbpp3VlR8vh5rJ6jXqaLu4 n1jJoEFl/EW25xeB3buVCX8mCYmBo61J2ikOcwiUetQAa9L75m lVwm+4pkpJ4y02ACEw7/g== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] no emails from h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: feddd92c-26b2-4991-9fdb-81bb5e247291 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487C49E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(again) > Thank you, Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 02:56:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6F6uKOe018142 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:56:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6F6uF64025687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:56:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6F6u5Q0058507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6u58C029067; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F6u2Ph029041 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:56:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KIeS82T3F-0004Tc; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <00bd01c8e647$d7a1c9b0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005101c8e646$4b398860$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+mBrZ3dm8yHNdNgAqlq0U1AjO8Ns4K4zspJWh cDYWV0ng+K0IIEAZQgpl+bB+bbUIgP6PN3t012BlezO6iLQFjI Qebsc6FrJum1gYWYtbgHw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] no emails from h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68a73c6f-b6fa-4254-b649-9f8a8fde2b2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 487C4A10.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(again) > Thank you, Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 05:01:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6F9198I001993 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:01:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6F913Db021443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6F90d9t073406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F90c88024213; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F90ZPh024177 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A68C4C2D0028; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:57:48 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <005101c8e646$4b398860$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <00b901c8e647$bb759190$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:00:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8e659$3bcc6d30$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjmSCYFWUNOvaNySaywHSYINOT9mQAEQSCQ In-Reply-To: <00b901c8e647$bb759190$6701a8c0@momlaptop> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Can you put me on the list again, > please? I probably hit the wrong button on the computer. (again) > Thank you, Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 05:36:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6F9aMTh008513 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:36:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6F9aG4M009926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:36:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6F9Umq5075370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F9UmrP044599; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6F9Uitc044503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=60535 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1KIgrb-0006oK-Gj for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:30:38 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:30:19 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <005101c8e646$4b398860$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><00b901c8e647$bb759190$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <000001c8e659$3bcc6d30$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:30:16 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <4BC5FD398BC54F12A0DF48447B55B720@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001c8e659$3bcc6d30$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: AcjmSCYFWUNOvaNySaywHSYINOT9mQAEQSCQAAEEwyA= X-Antivirus: avast! 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( [90.206.217.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm4039162gve.8.2008.07.15.12.17.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <487CF7BF.5090106@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:17:19 +0100 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807121619.43081.cathy@thyrsus.com> <487A72A3.2090303@googlemail.com> <200807131857.45588.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200807131857.45588.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8d30b7c-1946-4191-a9e1-f1d6d87e3089 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487CF7E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote: > >> In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do >> you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight >> around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more >> easily? >> >> Interestingly, that formation is almost exactly like I was shown to make >> a hangarock (18 years ago for a friend's wedding, so I don't know where >> the research came from), except backwards. It was a tube with a big box >> pleat in the centre back, sewn down along the top edge. I had such a >> small bust, and such a long stride, that the pleat went all the way >> round to under my arms! But certainly putting it in front would allow >> for pregnancy. >> > > Yes, the inset picture does seem to show a third brooch in the center. So far > as I know, no such brooch was found in the grave, but we don't have full data > on the find. It does show a narrow apron worn in front and positioned > between the tortoise brooches, which I'm skeptical about, since that approach > would also hide the silk trim on the apron dress. > > I had interpreted it as the centre section of the apron dress, with a big pleat under each brooch making that part stand out in front, rather than an additional separate piece of fabric. If the pleat is big enough that the fabric underneath meets at the centre front, then a brooch at the centre could hold all those layers together. But it does seem odd to indicate an extra brooch unless there was some evidence. Jean > There are any number of ways in which a sewn pleat/s could be incorporated > into an apron dress. The only one that I know has been documented by a find > is this one, which was found in Denmark and is the subject of a > reconstruction model in the Danish National Museum. There's a photo of the > reconstruction about 2/3 of the way down on this page on the right: > > http://www.vikingsofbjornstad.gbtllc.com/MuseumCopenhagen.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 20:36:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6G0aLZn025532 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:36:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6G0aE1q025834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:36:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6G0ZpnY013159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6G0ZmC2011655; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6G0ZjQe011626 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:35:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFBF9F063B for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:40:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <392116.52302.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807131857.45588.cathy@thyrsus.com> <487CF7BF.5090106@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <487CF7BF.5090106@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807152040.36351.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 295d6e9e-1d95-4244-8718-2c86a533b0f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487D427E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 15 July 2008 3:17:19 pm Anne wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote: [snip]. > > > > Yes, the inset picture does seem to show a third brooch in the center. > > So far as I know, no such brooch was found in the grave, but we don't > > have full data on the find. It does show a narrow apron worn in front > > and positioned between the tortoise brooches, which I'm skeptical about, > > since that approach would also hide the silk trim on the apron dress. > > I had interpreted it as the centre section of the apron dress, with a > big pleat under each brooch making that part stand out in front, rather > than an additional separate piece of fabric. If the pleat is big enough > that the fabric underneath meets at the centre front, then a brooch at > the centre could hold all those layers together. But it does seem odd > to indicate an extra brooch unless there was some evidence. Peter Beatson also interpreted the drawing as showing a separate apron. But I've looked at the drawing again and you could well be right; it is ambiguous and could just be a large pleat created by pinning part of the excess fabric through the brooches. I really, really want to see the full write up in NESAT X. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 23:43:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6G3hZDS000451 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:43:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6G3hUXc013258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6G3gtmS026560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6G3gqbl024367; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6G3gm2U024288 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9281 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2008 03:42:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uUx+eYgz2tzwRlfJlPfis8rEPUcglYaWWx+RdyrZhI4NVN5yQjB8aeYTMZUSDSF6+jtOMYUc5SxHTIRgpsswiqSYNJI1O6aVNz0M0hmXAxSvvoiRZV93r2N+a4z0TjEBLjaGE7YlaNwTd8T/PhbBwZWRleMkmqxS3uNO2/Srryc=; Received: from [75.104.160.57] by web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:42:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <944977.8403.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69a6b12e-1bc1-416f-a55c-a8556563e51c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487D6E62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:43:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oooh me too!=A0 I sincerely believe that aprons were worn in the way depict= ed, but in this case it wouldn't even lie neat and flat with the sagging ov= erdress underneath it.=A0 The silk on linen is fairly stiff and would not j= ust lie crumpled flat.=A0 Gytha ----- Original Message ---- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:40:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume Peter Beatson also interpreted the drawing as showing a separate apron.=A0 = But = I've looked at the drawing again and you could well be right; it is ambiguo= us = and could just be a large pleat created by pinning part of the excess fabri= c = through the brooches.=A0 = I really, really want to see the full write up in NESAT X. -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 15 23:47:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6G3lNqe000584 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:47:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6G3lITi001019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6G3l6rx027588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6G3l6BK027410; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6G3l3kI027315 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45417 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2008 03:46:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4jI7G2xd/pgmxFc9/L7BPm8zpo2P80uthg6Q0Li15uZecDMOoz9xpQD0xC4OpPY6enkCfQgDH68O5rlryez7yF9dLwADT3OTxxA//oM/9Gnb+4TTAK1eYTKvJl/FXYl6wt+IEKVZfqd5dDhEVudYyHvQiAA7pECSDdUY+GGNbrU=; Received: from [75.104.160.59] by web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:46:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <836458.45318.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e2fab3d-4a31-4966-a583-6bab92700884 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487D6F46.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:47:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I like your thought about how the third brooch might work.=A0 I'm wondering= if the absence of the third brooch might be=A0explained by the fact that= =A0this dress was not being worn, it was found in a box.=A0=A0 Gytha ----- Original Message ---- From: Anne To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume I had interpreted it as the centre section of the apron dress, with a = big pleat under each brooch making that part stand out in front, rather = than an additional separate piece of fabric.=A0 If the pleat is big enough = that the fabric underneath meets at the centre front, then a brooch at = the centre could hold all those layers together.=A0 But it does seem odd = to indicate an extra brooch unless there was some evidence. Jean > There are any number of ways in which a sewn pleat/s could be incorporate= d = > into an apron dress.=A0 The only one that I know has been documented by a= find = > is this one, which was found in Denmark and is the subject of a = > reconstruction model in the Danish National Museum.=A0 There's a photo of= the = > reconstruction about 2/3 of the way down on this page on the right: > > http://www.vikingsofbjornstad.gbtllc.com/MuseumCopenhagen.htm > > > > >=A0 = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 16 19:31:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6GNVpxt000880 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:31:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6GNVict017454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:31:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6GNV4Cb017896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6GNUxPx037978; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6GNUvJI037912 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33541 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2008 23:30:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=U1ds1440Cgfs1h485FMnNqZF7EYZeBgTqpovMDJ8EF0e1gTY/bCtIh1ITetc6eofu11Q8zTy36Vj+AjNJ1LgyBzcNU4yhIva/oLaiyU2jX03Tmi/626XWE9zfgwfCHq6zGk5YV9zBHR0RasVkT2yIVs/RQWX7DVaEhRKpMIWkD4=; Received: from [74.212.4.57] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:30:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8330AFA6-8CD9-4640-9ABE-5AA0E54B908F@igc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <289362.31414.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Someone interesting studying classical clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ecee1f4-626b-4e66-a839-ebab252e50b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487E84E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, I hadn't and found it interesting.=A0 = --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Chris Laning wrote: From: Chris Laning Subject: [h-cost] Someone interesting studying classical clothing To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 1:18 PM Anyone seen this? http://tinyurl.com/55zagc = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 16 21:47:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6H1ljw5005368 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:47:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H1ld9u030440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6H1lHqh027111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H1lGL3046348; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H1lCHh046296 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3B89F063B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:52:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <836458.45318.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <836458.45318.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807162152.07805.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc371aff-9ddf-41d7-8778-0bec9d1ecb78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487EA4BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:47:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:46:57 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I like your thought about how the third brooch might work.=A0 I'm wonderi= ng > if the absence of the third brooch might be=A0explained by the fact that= =A0this > dress was not being worn, it was found in a box.=A0=A0 Gytha Yes, but the tortoise brooches were also found in the box; the fabric remai= ns = were wrapped around them (with the loops still in them!). From Beatson's = write up: "Once cleaned and unfolded, the bundle proved to be composed of two = silk-trimmed garments, and enclosed a pair of bronze brooches. Rather than = dressing the deceased, the clothing had been carefully folded and stowed in= a = birch box with a leather lid, which was placed under the floor of the grave = chamber." There is no indication that a third brooch was also found in the box in the = summaries I've seen. So I'm skeptical about that kind of solution. -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 16 21:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6H1uRf9005625 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:56:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H1uLlR012416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6H1u92e027679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H1u9cn051987; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H1u67K051941 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DEA9F063B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <944977.8403.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <944977.8403.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807162201.02491.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2aaded2-abf5-47e8-bf71-feb887951105 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487EA6C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:56:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:42:42 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Oooh me too!=A0 I sincerely believe that aprons were worn in the way > depicted, but in this case it wouldn't even lie neat and flat with the > sagging overdress underneath it.=A0 The silk on linen is fairly stiff and > would not just lie crumpled flat.=A0 Gytha That's an excellent point. The silk trimmed section looks fairly thick. I= t = would probably take all three brooches to secure in the box-pleat like = position shown by the second drawing. -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 16 22:41:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6H2eFvD007554 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:40:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H2e9Zb031249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:40:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6H2dmaF030219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H2dkM3084008; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.po.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H2dfeV083951 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by smtp.po.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KJJPA-0003Od-3w for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:39:40 +1000 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <944977.8403.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807162201.02491.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:39:07 +1000 Message-ID: <07d101c8e7b6$49284860$0602a8c0@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <200807162201.02491.cathy@thyrsus.com> Thread-Index: AcjnsFcABZwGyM74R7mbT7YWSiuuUAABMZ1Q X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fe0cbba-f095-4925-b154-29261c65c462 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487EB109.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:40:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My take on this garment is that they aren't pleats at all. They are hanging loosely, but when you sketch, it might look like pleats, but is actually folds. If you have a look at the Ancient styles of palla, some of them are quite deep in the centre as well. I made one which ended up a little larger than expected and it hung in deep folds in the centre, just like the ones in the drawing. Hey, she may even have been some type of historical reenactor :-) Glenda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2008 12:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:42:42 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Oooh me too!=A0 I sincerely believe that aprons were worn in the way > depicted, but in this case it wouldn't even lie neat and flat with the > sagging overdress underneath it.=A0 The silk on linen is fairly stiff and > would not just lie crumpled flat.=A0 Gytha That's an excellent point. The silk trimmed section looks fairly thick. It would probably take all three brooches to secure in the box-pleat like = position shown by the second drawing. -- = Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 16 23:19:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6H3JZii009506 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H3JUSE028376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6H3IiW4032189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H3Ig4T007841; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H3Ic2w007812 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8152C9F063B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:23:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <944977.8403.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807162201.02491.cathy@thyrsus.com> <07d101c8e7b6$49284860$0602a8c0@DF3TNM1S> In-Reply-To: <07d101c8e7b6$49284860$0602a8c0@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807162323.35153.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdfe63ec-471d-4fd9-8595-5f26959c3066 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 487EBA42.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wednesday 16 July 2008 10:39:07 pm Glenda Robinson wrote: > My take on this garment is that they aren't pleats at all. They are hanging > loosely, but when you sketch, it might look like pleats, but is actually > folds. > > If you have a look at the Ancient styles of palla, some of them are quite > deep in the centre as well. I made one which ended up a little larger than > expected and it hung in deep folds in the centre, just like the ones in the > drawing. I think you're thinking of the other sketch. There are two sketches on the Pskov site. One is the main sketch, which shows the overdress hanging in deep folds in the center. The other is a half-size inset sketch, which appears to show three brooches--two tortoise brooches and one smaller round brooch in between them. It's the second sketch I was talking about and that I think Gytha and several others were discussing also. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 05:45:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6H9jRdk028171 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:45:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H9jLde024552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:45:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6H9ipub050372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6H9imCc033448; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-10.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-10.bluehost.com [69.89.17.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6H9ij1p033407 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mailinglister@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 9564 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2008 09:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.77) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 09:44:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=drakt.org; h=Received:Date:To:Subject:From:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User:DomainKey-Status; b=iD4+sJ48W1AjkXSx5AokT/oempt9mkslUA1+algK+AUr7Rz4HtQb6SbjMduvlwg4JiG1M6oGwBhbYy99g4vXYV6UxibsoUD3GU2Rd2VrHyl3j1NzD5ABUHd8My8uf4m1; Received: from cm-84.208.112.111.getinternet.no ([84.208.112.111] helo=privat-67b385c3.getinternet.no) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KJQ2U-0002DF-Cl for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:44:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:44:38 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" From: Gunvor MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <836458.45318.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807162152.07805.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807162152.07805.cathy@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.50 (Win32) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.208.112.111 authed with mailinglister@drakt.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88ecbeaf-84d7-43a0-8ca8-de1046a46c5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487F14B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:45:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:52:07 +0200, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > There is no indication that a third brooch was also found in the box in > the summaries I've seen. So I'm skeptical about that kind of solution. I agree about being sceptical, but would still consider the possibility og there being a 3rd brooch of some kind. I might have missed something when I was reading, but didn't see any mention of what the body was wearing. Just what was in the box. If that is correct, that leaves 4 options open ; The body is wearing the brooch, it was never in the grave at all,there never was a 3rd brooch or the 3rd possible brooch is more of a multi purpose one worn with different garments. The turtle brooches have a specific function as far as we know and is only used with a certain style of garments. That does not exclude other ornaments being worn with the apron dress. Making a similar aprondress with the same aproximate width, lenght for your own body with the same quality fabrics would probably go a long way to solving the question. Or not. Looking at the width and the fact that the garment would most likely sag if it was folded at the middle front, I'd look for ways to solve this problem. A brooch would do less damage than basting. I would also look at the weight and stiffness of the material to see if that in itself would would keep it folded , unsagging and reasonably flat. And if not, what do I need to do to keep it from sagging without doing damage to the fabric. I'd also like to see whatever other evidence they might have, that makes them draw in the 3rd possible brooch. Gunvor -- I need a life..... http://www.drakt.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 08:53:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HCrhls016564 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HCrbdZ030533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HCr5TP060638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HCr36i056304; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HCqxM9056246 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.29] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1744330422 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c8e80c$0aa387c0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99d97296-61a2-4603-a957-1abf1c9364b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487F40D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue plaid. I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. I've looked through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: fabric.com denverfabric.com joann.com hancock fabrics.com trimfabrics.com as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect *color* plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta which won't do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately colored polarfleece product, but that would be a last choice. Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? Thanks! Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 09:07:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HD7gsq017117 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HD7ZJR024520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:07:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HD7Jai061745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HD7Jdu067099; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HD7F4U066995 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K4500KKOJ3T9WW2@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:07:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-86-14.eastlink.ca (HELO BlaikeHouse) ([24.137.86.14]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:03:40 -0300 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:07:00 -0300 From: SPaterson In-reply-to: <009301c8e80c$0aa387c0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <29D48A752FD144DDA5737367864B8601@BlaikeHouse> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACnhfkgYiVYO/2dsb2JhbACwOw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,203,1215399600"; d="scan'208";a="128953108" X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you tried a Tartan shop? Google Tartan Fabric and you may get a hit or two...but it may be $$ Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- >I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue plaid. >I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. I've looked >through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: > fabric.com > denverfabric.com > joann.com > hancock fabrics.com > trimfabrics.com > > as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect *color* > plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta which won't > do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately colored polarfleece > product, but that would be a last choice. > > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > Thanks! > Denise B > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 11:20:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HFKZnp021492 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:20:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HFKTOk022457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:20:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HFJmQE077337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HFJkcP099635; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6HFJhbi099471 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEH82ZTASZ93PS for (sender ); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssjsQS0cOYCzUQjlAJ7NNS6c= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NQBGNVEU; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:18:24 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20080717.081811.288.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 17:8:2338804891 X-MAIL-INFO: 36a080e08060e57460e5bde9e5bdf9c4996dc571849d6de4f42d8419e4b1c97de4519064a0a9a0add9bd01e5a0e9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c17c9013-180b-448a-aa31-f3906312b111 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487F633D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAD_CREDIT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Tried Pendleton Wool? Arlys On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:07:00 -0300 SPaterson writes: > Have you tried a Tartan shop? Google Tartan Fabric and you may get a > hit or > two...but it may be $$ > > Sarah Paterson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue > plaid. > >I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. I've > looked > >through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: > > fabric.com > > denverfabric.com > > joann.com > > hancock fabrics.com > > trimfabrics.com > > > > as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect > *color* > > plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta which > won't > > do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately colored > polarfleece > > product, but that would be a last choice. > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > > Thanks! > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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Class Act Fabrics has a 70% wool 30% nylon blanket weight red plaid right now: http://classactfabrics.com/wool/wool_fabric.htm Renaissance Fabrics http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/cgi-bin/showAll.cgi?section=W has an auburn and green plaid 100% wool. William Booth, Draper, http://wmboothdraper.com/ has a red and white "bag hose" check in wool. Burnley & Trowbridge has a black watch plaid wool on its site; they usually have lots more fabrics that are not posted on-line, so it might be worth e-mailing them with your request: http://www.burnleyandtrowbridge.com/index.asp Good luck! Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Land of Oz" > I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue plaid. I'd > also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. I've looked through all > the plaids and the wools at these vendors: > fabric.com > denverfabric.com > joann.com > hancock fabrics.com > trimfabrics.com > > as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect *color* plaid > at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta which won't do. At this > point, I'd even buy an appropriately colored polarfleece product, but that would > be a last choice. > > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > Thanks! > Denise B > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 16:24:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HKOh3a032601 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:24:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HKObMS021910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HKOC4p003314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HKO8VZ044393; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6HKO5Gf044242 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23411 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2008 20:23:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=TX/yBIvYzktGvzzcBgDA6Pd/kDjqHfaY1p/cvlzIgyujrttbKOw/nlKWarZFXqX7f4WDEn7c3F12INY6AEkqzpXB5b8gnycSd6zY62LBkW9Xue4KcoXCN2lKSKgTA+qsFqjf6nayjF8m5b6MRbC6RrEi3NaTd0N9L/IIS7Vxemg=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:23:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080629173131.039e6830@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0884c5ac-18e3-4c88-ba0c-3d7d1a905f23 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487FAA85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kimiko --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Land of Oz wrote: > I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red > or blue plaid. ... > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > Thanks! > Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:09:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HN9TdM006478 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:09:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HN9Ohr013958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HN92O5022637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HN90v9098695; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HN8uX9098589 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf0.30b5b6ed (39952) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:08:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03941874-db53-4606-9c07-371c60ca6d99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487FD124.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would also recommend Vogue Fabrics in Chicago. www.voguefabricsstore.com Rogie, one of the owners, is a wonderful person who has become aware of the needs of us Historical folks. Did I mention she is driving up a truck load of goodies for Costume-Con 28? And, BTB, William Booth, Draper, http://wmboothdraper.com/, is just south of Milwaukee and they have great stuff! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:25:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNPYan007050 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:25:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNPQ3n017308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNP0l6023665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNOxsu009990; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNOtX4009932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-255-25.desm.qwest.net [71.214.255.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNOrTR025419 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:24:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <283CD65C-775C-4D6E-8765-F59945DD1CF2@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:24:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7740/Thu Jul 17 15:25:11 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adff4469-2fa7-4441-b6db-74c4bd4722d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487FD4E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've purchased solid color wools from Fabric Mart Fabrics (in Pennsylvania) and found them quite satisfactory. But I haven't checked their website lately so don't know what they have in plaids at the moment. http://fabricmartfabrics.com/controller/index.php Hope your shopping is successful! Suzanne On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue > plaid. I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. > I've looked through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: > fabric.com > denverfabric.com > joann.com > hancock fabrics.com > trimfabrics.com > > as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect > *color* plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta > which won't do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately > colored polarfleece product, but that would be a last choice. > > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > Thanks! > Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:27:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNRxhO007163 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNRs36005081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:27:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNRiBr023797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNRi9G011721; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNRfvL011633 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bc4.2a225db6 (65099) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:27:23 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear book suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4d2e428-552d-4e2c-a2b9-d9e47f32e75a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 487FD57A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:33:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNXDra007541 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNX7T7007508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNWiJ0023987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNWgog015022; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6HNWeBk014917 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98466 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2008 23:32:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6hRm1OyRgTVvBMHSiYBG+PwVaNQ+8dMaunGgVdCatzqEKf2DrfyqyRNMgVOuIILY6SKoC/evR+gGQNUD7Z9rKSGqIG7p2tHaEaESUk0bL5ECGC85neAv8aCxtT8QvQTaQcm6UmxmY7XC+dCg3eomF/rI3Iv0v1J+e9JqJDN6I7E=; Received: from [74.212.4.57] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:32:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <283CD65C-775C-4D6E-8765-F59945DD1CF2@cybermesa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <895028.97824.qm@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0057c5f-7395-4927-9658-e112e307ca70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 487FD6B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try fashionfabricsclub.com too.=A0=A0 They can be a bit slow on shipping, b= ut they have a huge selection. =A0 http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/Catalog_items.aspx?Query=3DPlaid =A0 Chris = --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Suzanne wrote: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 7:24 PM I've purchased solid color wools from Fabric Mart Fabrics (in = Pennsylvania) and found them quite satisfactory. But I haven't = checked their website lately so don't know what they have in plaids = at the moment. http://fabricmartfabrics.com/controller/index.php Hope your shopping is successful! Suzanne On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue = > plaid. I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. = > I've looked through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: > fabric.com > denverfabric.com > joann.com > hancock fabrics.com > trimfabrics.com > > as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect = > *color* plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta = > which won't do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately = > colored polarfleece product, but that would be a last choice. > > Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? > Thanks! > Denise B = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:46:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNkECm008130 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNk9Mo028837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNjrav024800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNjqx4023726; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNjmLi023589 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gueniveres-chest@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080717234542.JDYW6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:45:42 -0400 Received: from Kre8tive ([68.111.141.252]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id rBlj1Z00B5SwKrY04Blj3R; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:45:43 -0400 From: "Jennifer Jones" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-reply-to: <009301c8e80c$0aa387c0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> Thread-Index: AcjoDCzdiTEUMXmARzOFUUP0XRKHwQAWo9Ig X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e526b5d-cff8-4c1c-8728-16b53b7901a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 487FD9C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try www.periodfabric.com they have a nice selection of solids and a few plaids in wool. Check back from time to time as their selection will change. They also carry Sunforger tent canvas. Guenivere -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] fabric search I am searching for wool (coat or blanket weight) in a red or blue plaid. I'd also accept heavy weight flannel in red or blue plaid. I've looked through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: fabric.com denverfabric.com joann.com hancock fabrics.com trimfabrics.com as well as the local Joann and Hobby Lobby. We found the perfect *color* plaid at Joann, but the fabric is a slippery, stiff taffeta which won't do. At this point, I'd even buy an appropriately colored polarfleece product, but that would be a last choice. Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? Thanks! Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:57:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNv4vv008603 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNuxK7004203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNuh2Z025402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNugDD030771; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNuclN030664 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rBEZ1Z00f17dt5G58BwZj2; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:56:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rBwA1Z00D00zNUK3ZBwAe3; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:56:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2P2AEkk1zSwU_ZlB6bgA:9 a=2J2WKdJTC-OpfOiUkvgA:9 a=Ix_A_GxELGlZyPGHCYOhnVPS1YQA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Message-Id: To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:56:28 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 257073a0-0f24-4bc8-b2a4-50ea0b1afaf8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487FDC4B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:57:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought I had saved it, but now cannot find a bookmarked file of a picture of an ancient Egyptian beaded (crocheted?) dress that must have been exhumed at some point and was still in fairly decent shape. Does someone still have that link? Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 19:58:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6HNw9mu008659 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:58:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6HNw4KQ023733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6HNvowx025447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNvnq7031465; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6HNvkUJ031384 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r1k51Z0050EZKEL5ABxQFi; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:57:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rBxi1Z00600zNUK3MBxiVa; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:57:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=L1cEdnIsRBsvx8RCGvgA:9 a=2mOrUHnDVN4EGoB_nM4A:9 a=iRMBBEWn91NnwVjLl40mp2bf1FsA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Message-Id: To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:42 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Egyptian dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3238c8f9-0550-44a9-aee2-823541dbb568 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487FDC8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just found it, so never mind the last msg. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 20:39:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I0dJ7A010758 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I0dDc6023500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I0cvwH027392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I0ct4o058742; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (as2.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I0cpRf058659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as2.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502114.69022509; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:38:30 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:38:29 -0700 Message-Id: <487F8390.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:38:24 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7abb1e61-b31d-42d0-a2a6-2051a65fa34f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487FE631.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia My recollection from the article in KMR is that the dress was netted, not crocheted. When you find the link, could you post it here as well. I'm not sure that I still of that magazine. Ginni Morgan >>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/17/08 4:56 PM >>> I thought I had saved it, but now cannot find a bookmarked file of a picture of an ancient Egyptian beaded (crocheted?) dress that must have been exhumed at some point and was still in fairly decent shape. Does someone still have that link? Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 20:42:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I0gbtr010871 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I0gWTc019639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I0gFQO027608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I0gFfN060916; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I0gCU5060871 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.29] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1745091959 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00d901c8e86f$1e434c80$1da73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:42:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96c205f5-fa89-4b24-9270-5c523aed238f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487FE6F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you so much for all the links! The fabric is for my teenage daughter, and if you think sewing for a customer can be a PITA, wait until you try it for a picky teen who lives with you... ugggghhhhhh! She finally decided that the Stewart Tartan plaid is closest to what she wants, but I'm simply not willing to spend $35 to $70 per yard. I really liked that blanket weight piece marked down to $15, but she "doesn't like that yellow stripe" whine whine whine (see my eyes roll) I will keep all these emails and keep checking the selections to see if any fabris are added to the webstores you have shared with me. Thanks! Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 21:32:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I1WbxG012725 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I1WWWU017311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I1WE9f030325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1WEKQ091781; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1WBKN091747 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so211002anc.85 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FQObKyzMrNHOen7xcWUevsI9LiAV9vQQoagsiQL/Ue0=; b=YRyvAY6+YjZuC+WsbBrNSmI/qR4ooAEMRMXQLLxkupvmfZtEaqHP5/W2B/PWNq5Mej mmQzcjktxoBOxhocUzNrfVR6J66J7Jk86K1Ygzbz2H57B2EeOnnIAl6SN+ncvMztbO3z xC7mjaOUgYGngb9bZjcZByB5UcMhaB28z4ToY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MrHO2x+sh4AXq1Z5IIOQA0LuoaqX8RRVyc9nT8KfurmMX3+mrniFw9yRU/icXn51UA tHAVatmeRmEL2D6xCa2naYXlRfHC18WgI7EZv7lRtplG0yl4pGs3djA5adep2G0ewob8 s+D6iTP1i/IaEANko4zD26Ijyma2Bk65RfH9o= Received: by 10.100.208.11 with SMTP id f11mr4897080ang.89.1216344731140; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:32:11 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Costume College "Finish Your Finery" Day X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a097c5b-c7c4-4685-b2af-9f1233d6ae4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487FF2B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:32:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For anyone attending Costume College in Los Angeles Aug 1-3, if you are already in the L.A. area please think about joining us - *Saturday, July 19*: Finish Your Finery! Don't have your College ensemble quite done yet? Need fitting help? Trimming advice? Some CGW members are organizing a day devoted to helping each other finish those last minute costume details. In Nuevo, hosted by Shelley Peters; In Palos Verdes, hosted by Mary Jane Jewell; and in Pasadena, hosted by Regina Lawson Voorhes (818)four39-six193 Please see *http://www.cgwcostumers.org/CGW_events.html* for details. Hope to see you there, Regina in L.A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 21:48:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I1mf01013257 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:48:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I1maSu016093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I1mMpB031264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1mLtX003082; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1mHvQ003029 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.2]) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id AD85153C6EB for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-67-216.phnx.qwest.net (HELO buddy) (130.13.67.216) by mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 01:48:16 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:48:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c8e878$56895720$0201a8c0@buddy> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjoaRTnXmcxJFI6TxOaJcTfMIWJJAADxkdA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Egyptian dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f3f9a91-1dc5-4c34-8010-0cefe75548ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 487FF674.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:48:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia, May I bother you for that link? I think I've seen it but not sure, and my history class starts in barely a month! Wish I were better organized right now. Laurie T. Phoenix -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Egyptian dress I just found it, so never mind the last msg. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 21:55:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I1tOmt013519 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:55:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I1tJfT027378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:55:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I1swrd031552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1swv4006995; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I1st8w006951 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3324C9F063B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:59:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20080717.081811.288.2.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20080717.081811.288.2.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807172159.55517.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 264b093b-db1f-46be-9a11-eec6fcd787a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 487FF807.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can also try: http://www.thewoolconnection.com/catalog.php?category=1 Wool Connection also sells on EBay--username thewoolconnection1 A lot of her EBay stuff is small pieces of hand-overdyed wool aimed at the rug hooking market, but a fair amount of her stuff is mill-dyed yardage of coatings and sometimes herringbones and flannels in colors that work for garb. In general, looking on EBay for "wool herringbone fabric" or "wool flannel fabric" can yield interesting results though you're taking more of a chance, since you're less likely to be able to get a swatch before you buy. B. Black & Sons, which specializes in suiting fabrics, also has some nice flannels, some of which are in colors like deep red and purple. They also have sales--I bought some lovely blue flannel from them once for $5 a yard on sale. http://www.bblackandsons.com/store/store_flannel.html -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 22:03:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I23AWU013883 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I2357t007336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I22nSa032024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I22mV6011874; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I22j1B011840 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52D09F063B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:07:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <487F8390.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> In-Reply-To: <487F8390.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807172207.45907.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6afd3134-2f06-41e3-bad8-a7a653d9020d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 487FF9D9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:03:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 17 July 2008 8:38:24 pm Ginni Morgan wrote: > Sylvia > > My recollection from the article in KMR is that the dress was netted, not > crocheted. When you find the link, could you post it here as well. I'm > not sure that I still of that magazine. I scanned in the article the last time this came up and have photos of several such dresses. E-mail me privately if you want me to send you the pictures. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 22:55:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I2tSa6016319 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:55:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I2tMuf015769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I2sgZQ034741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I2sdI7048218; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I2sZmu048169 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3BF9F063B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:59:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <836458.45318.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200807162152.07805.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807172259.35974.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ed7d77c-d8a1-4926-91bc-ba36c607a97f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4880061A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 17 July 2008 5:44:38 am Gunvor wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:52:07 +0200, Catherine Olanich Raymond > > wrote: > > There is no indication that a third brooch was also found in the box in > > the summaries I've seen. So I'm skeptical about that kind of solution. > > I agree about being sceptical, but would still consider the possibility og > there being a 3rd brooch of some kind. I might have missed something when > I was reading, but didn't see any mention of what the body was wearing. > Just what was in the box. Agreed. Though I'm inclined to read the lack of reference to a third brooch as an indication that there wasn't one. Still, it would be foolish to leap to that conclusion before reviewing the Pskov researchers' final write up. I have also been wondering whether there was a body in the grave--and whether there was any evidence that the grave had previously been raided. > If that is correct, that leaves 4 options open ; > The body is wearing the brooch, it was never in the grave at all,there > never was a 3rd brooch or the 3rd possible brooch is more of a multi > purpose one worn with different garments. The turtle brooches have a > specific function as far as we know and is only used with a certain style > of garments. That does not exclude other ornaments being worn with the > apron dress. Quite true. > > Making a similar aprondress with the same aproximate width, lenght for > your own body with the same quality fabrics would probably go a long way > to solving the question. Or not. Looking at the width and the fact that > the garment would most likely sag if it was folded at the middle front, > I'd look for ways to solve this problem. That's what I plan to do. > A brooch would do less damage > than basting. I would also look at the weight and stiffness of the > material to see if that in itself would would keep it folded , unsagging > and reasonably flat. And if not, what do I need to do to keep it from > sagging without doing damage to the fabric. > > I'd also like to see whatever other evidence they might have, that makes > them draw in the 3rd possible brooch. Ditto. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 17 23:54:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I3smdm018795 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:54:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I3sgGF011449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:54:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I3sLHM037568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I3sKOq082168; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I3sHch082086 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=bESz18BzaanTDZYGT23TNws3OVWii8fS2O6UL60K/DOFpdYs9xXjs9mpBmcUOEeb; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KJh2g-0000m6-1U for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:54:02 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080717224650.02a77670@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:53:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <009301c8e80c$0aa387c0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> References: <009301c8e80c$0aa387c0$1da73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53c743a21457f0e120460c348f0ef7aff1ee1cadf5ceabb0d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df0b9676-4586-43d4-8273-a8a488e3227f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48801402.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I've looked through all the plaids and the wools at these vendors: >fabric.com >denverfabric.com >joann.com >hancock fabrics.com >trimfabrics.com > >Does anyone have a suggestion about where else to search? >Thanks! >Denise B "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 03:55:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6I7tCaA020498 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:55:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6I7t7fu007296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6I7sfvX047677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I7sc1v023251; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6I7sY46023205 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KJknR0b0H-0005fg; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c8e8ab$80f942d0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <487F8390.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <200807172207.45907.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:54:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5h5FsVNUhkiammRHzpIelgFXokTp76oZTVk1 kEJEI2gYzpeV3ddKlZfxop7hUyUA3ikburEdkz2quAFkORHyMq rvX4VJGzi+/XNiKuWnEMA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b2c578e-899b-46d4-87b7-f1c70cbc1e2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48804C5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here is the URL for the Egyptian beaded net dress: http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=UC17743&accesscheck=%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php copy the entire url. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 08:04:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IC48PH026489 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:04:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IC428s024231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:04:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IBwh8n067504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IBweKm086558; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IBwcq8086535 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so203341wra.23 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=eCqtYZOOFdEsfv///rULPPEn8XxcPt+svU+5BWn5WA8=; b=D1zVSv12zm1SdOymqQCFPYyDtamDswl0XPkN21a2PWNlNQeKvGj0BpsvSqjJoq6UPe 9FbNiXgk0Hfwzvcuek+wR4vFUjkW9eGH1n6bqA9gXhxguR9PeMVIUWPQdAR3ZgMPE4Pf nQ4yWNj97l7+3857oMfvYeMNUIylkWPynJDtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iUTWm8QWuT6kR3pDOLCWISHypMU4MIiN5f3TPFeiRqdywLWruk7ymjtueYD20r3Nbf 0cuv7qhi4KixVkB5l7dSqUEL6VB6cUUoR3zsUZYlmKZFcpEB6+SVqniYZrvnxGcUTRz7 m6Sht3MmRcnxfv1G2HkV2TP+Po42BdhCHi3G4= Received: by 10.100.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr2084ang.151.1216382318487; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.107.3 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070807180458w696e447hc72702d81e4f5763@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:58:38 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <003201c8e8ab$80f942d0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <487F8390.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <200807172207.45907.cathy@thyrsus.com> <003201c8e8ab$80f942d0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0cb599d-b329-454e-b8d9-dc2ca9ed04a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488086B2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are also a couple at the MFA in Boston: http://mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=3Dtrue&id=3D146531&coll_k= eywords=3D&coll_accession=3D&coll_name=3Ddress&coll_artist=3D&coll_place=3D= &coll_medium=3D&coll_culture=3Degypt&coll_classification=3D&coll_credit=3D&= coll_provenance=3D&coll_location=3D&coll_has_images=3D&coll_on_view=3D&coll= _sort=3D2&coll_sort_order=3D0&coll_view=3D0&coll_package=3D0&coll_start=3D1 Beadnet dress Egyptian, Old Kingdom, Dynasty 4, reign of Khufu, 2551=962528 B.C. Findspot: Giza, Egypt Length x width: 113 x 44 cm (44 1/2 x 17 5/16 in.) Faience Harvard University=97Boston Museum of Fine Arts Expedition, 1927 Accession number: 27.1548.1 http://mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=3Dtrue&id=3D315900&coll_k= eywords=3D&coll_accession=3D&coll_name=3Ddress&coll_artist=3D&coll_place=3D= &coll_medium=3D&coll_culture=3Degypt&coll_classification=3D&coll_credit=3D&= coll_provenance=3D&coll_location=3D&coll_has_images=3D&coll_on_view=3D&coll= _sort=3D2&coll_sort_order=3D0&coll_view=3D0&coll_package=3D0&coll_start=3D1 Beadnet dress Egyptian, Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6, 2323=962150 B.C. Findspot: Giza, Egypt Overall: 114.3 x 73.7cm (45 x 29in.) Overall: 116.8 x 31.8 x 17.8 cm (46 x 12 1/2 x 7 in.) Block (fabric figure form with clip and cleat): 122.6 x 18.4 cm (48 1/4 x 7 1/4 in.) Faience Harvard University=97Boston Museum of Fine Arts Expedition, 1933 Accession number: 33.1020.1 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Penny Ladnier w= rote: > Here is the URL for the Egyptian beaded net dress: > http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=3D= UC17743&accesscheck=3D%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php > copy the entire url. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- = Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 09:06:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ID6GkX029111 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:06:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ID6Alg001519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:06:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ID5oVJ071423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ID5nQD037600; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ID5ist037531 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080718130543.WBOM23631.fep50.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:05:43 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.174]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080718130543.LYVA1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:05:43 +0200 Message-ID: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:05:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.174] at Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:05:42 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] off topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e240860-a27c-4a08-84b5-ce9f7d732ae3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48809542.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:06:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I ordered some gold braids from Watts in London via their webpage. When i clicked the braid i wanted, they had 2 to choose from, i didnt notice that it was the other one that popped up, so i ordered 10 meters of a narrow scalloped braid, it should have ben the wider one. When i clicked the other one, vise versa happened. I complainted about it when i received the 2 braids i ordered, i should have had a wide scalloped one, but got a narrow, and vise versa. All they said, back to me, that they were sorry and thankyou for notice it to us. Dont you think they should have sended me some new ones, of the ones i thoaght i had ordered? I dont have time to send back to them and waite for a new posting.............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 12:04:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IG4pBr004829 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:04:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IG4ghX029828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IG4IgH084742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IG4FJK000540; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IG4ESt000519 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so260961wxd.23 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CanK2Ke75uVx0ljrGbVsjQgzcafIDdS4UTyMnJ4hets=; b=JnQyoTtFrnMrma+Ano3wYS7Cq86GYsruRUs2CEv2nOC1ZH7ji6xY6XqqSEchnwY6Pa twCOY1j4eNQjqdKZYv1ZzxmbIcSkE/oBtl2qrw/mLyeNXe9N0C75JPicVyupea0nNUk4 1TxyVx1t6VNzWgGgBJQCHJra+mnhO1b6593mo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=x4kp9UqftpdCldrwOwK/jN9wIndL30tszB1kjE36nPE8pDYkLyGuamarhhCB9N1O7H j+AHtjSdoGzsYBuCFMssdRxx9xrkt6Mt0VFKllsIB8k8s1DwrE2eDNlGGzE4j7tkBN6D o9OKk1gSKadT9ctI3mktaw3jyyzdQ+v+lW3zY= Received: by 10.100.173.9 with SMTP id v9mr258591ane.92.1216397052700; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:12 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College "Finish Your Finery" Day X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 626be5f0-c01b-4e7f-89d7-892b349338f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4880BF1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:04:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Regina Voorhes wrote: > For anyone attending Costume College in Los Angeles Aug 1-3, if you are > already in the L.A. area please think about joining us - > > *Saturday, July 19*: Finish Your Finery! Don't have your College ensemble > quite done yet? Need fitting help? Trimming advice? Some CGW members are > organizing a day devoted to helping each other finish those last minute > costume details. > > In Nuevo, hosted by Shelley Peters; > In Palos Verdes, hosted by Mary Jane Jewell; > and in Pasadena, hosted by Regina Lawson Voorhes (818)four39-six193 > Please see *http://www.cgwcostumers.org/CGW_events.html* for details. The best friend is always the last to know. ;-) Will there be room for cutting out? I have some pallazzo pants to make that I could have made at any time since last Costume College, and still haven't gotten around to. By the way, the link won't wortk with asterisks around it. MaggiRos ~who will be selling and signing her book at the Gilded Bat in the CoCo markeptlace. -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html and your favorite bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 12:08:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IG82SD004966 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:08:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IG7vCT031773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IG7fsG085013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IG7fnM003724; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IG7cQp003597 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB85133437 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4880CDC0.4050102@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:07:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0373bb6d-4d8d-47f9-9830-f3d22fc11037 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4880BFDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dont you think they should have sended me some new ones, of the ones i thoaght i had ordered? > Perhaps you should ask about making an exchange. They may be willing to trade for the sizes you need. > I dont have time to send back to them and waite for a new posting.............. Then I suppose you need to find a local source very quickly. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 12:57:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IGv1HV006827 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:57:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IGurUP007380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IGuapY090277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IGua4b052767; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18UhuSv4aNPww5F8awLDFyof04XJl/4hK8@mail43.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IGuX1Y052711 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail43.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6IGuWN8009910 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 5045 invoked by uid 80); 18 Jul 2008 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.200) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 18 Jul 2008 16:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:56:31 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc7ab13c-7844-4f6b-ac6f-82bdb59d1e71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4880CB55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan: http://www.forward.com/articles/13787/ And it's kosher! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 13:47:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IHluJD008833 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IHln4G021455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IHlOHh095879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IHlNn9002038; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IHlJWJ001912 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K4700JDIQQMXK70@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:09 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42d394ac-7fc0-4913-9828-10462672f8c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4880D745.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OMG! This is great!! Chinese Tartans??? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:57 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan: http://www.forward.com/articles/13787/ And it's kosher! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 14:01:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6II12Gh009474 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6II0uix014089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6II0ZMm096847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6II0Y7W026687; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6II0U4B026325 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 17668 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 18:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:24 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c8e908$8ec0a860$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Thread-Index: Acjo1xZPPTdfExkETaWqcmXf6PDQyAAMVCIg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63d9a8a7-5d3f-420d-bfc0-78351f87b5ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4880DA58.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would certainly think it would be good customer relations to do so, especially since it was an error on their website that caused the problem... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] off topic I ordered some gold braids from Watts in London via their webpage. When i clicked the braid i wanted, they had 2 to choose from, i didnt notice that it was the other one that popped up, so i ordered 10 meters of a narrow scalloped braid, it should have ben the wider one. When i clicked the other one, vise versa happened. I complainted about it when i received the 2 braids i ordered, i should have had a wide scalloped one, but got a narrow, and vise versa. All they said, back to me, that they were sorry and thankyou for notice it to us. Dont you think they should have sended me some new ones, of the ones i thoaght i had ordered? I dont have time to send back to them and waite for a new posting.............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 14:03:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6II3KHF009596 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6II3Ei8030287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6II34OO097072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6II34e8032091; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6II0Hc1025767 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44041 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2008 18:00:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=F21M6VKhUQT/DThp2dnvXoQsBanhKclvxWEuD52WLNSMJPk7lK40IrdCIymRvGnHWyFFiir+lD6sTVyhGD6ZX5XNIagFvFWhi+ukKcOiyxVNz3Nj5hojimvkDq+3amEgtiM/NkTre7AGZy5Kz9MdEN2C7arg0qaH5d57X+Ht+d8=; Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:00:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <384383.42527.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab52746b-e100-4608-bf75-68791b24e975 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4880DAE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Apparently there's a clan McWong. I'm not making that up. McClaudine ----- Original Message ---- From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:47:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric OMG! This is great!! Chinese Tartans??? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:57 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan: http://www.forward.com/articles/13787/ And it's kosher! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 14:13:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IIDFEx009931 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IID9b6027641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IICwra097815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IICwEk043685; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IICs0q043556 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c05.401883ab (34920) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-88684880dd1a14d; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:42 -0400 Received: from webmail-md03 (webmail-md03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.141]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA027-5c514880dd1824; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:40 -0400 References: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:41 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB719008A6BA2-63C-EC2@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6443a6a6-e55f-41e7-86bd-ac6664e0cfde X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4880DD35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan:? Have to send my husband's reaction to this--Loch Chaim! Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56 pm Subject: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan:? ? http://www.forward.com/articles/13787/? ? And it's kosher!? ? --Robin? ? _______________________________________________? h-costume mailing list? h-costume@mail.indra.com? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 18 14:25:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6IIPuwT010413 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:25:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6IIPpu9010469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:25:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6IIFPB3097990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IIFOf1046102; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IIFLg5046040 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rSp41Z0030x6nqcA8WFM1s; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rWFJ1Z0053kY7qX8YWFLx9; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=SFWEk8vBRYwA:10 a=3c3WLogFAAAA:8 a=GRWu8I6WrJH9kc5UUE8A:9 a=1lHa4aViFvCVZgKN8R4A:9 a=unsFfyEyNLmIvSntanRcUZYCTgMA:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 Message-ID: <4880DDB5.4090300@bovil.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:15:17 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4880CB3F.4080705@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] An interesting ethnic fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed6f3a33-98d2-4125-afd7-e55f22026ce8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4880E02F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > A friend sent me this link about a Jewish-Scottish tartan: > > http://www.forward.com/articles/13787/ A friend of mine has a kilt of white and pale-blue magen-david plaid. He says it's the tartan of Clan McAbees. Then there's the classic Anna Russel bit from her lecture "How to Enjoy your Bagpipe." "Then you cover it in its little shirt which should be made of the family tartan. I belong to the McPimple clan. It's the only Scottish clan to have a polka-dotted tartan." andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 00:56:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6J4ua9A004170 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6J4uUK0013747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6J4u7oK033722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6J4u2jJ018697; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6J4txtn018633 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rfyT1Z0040x6nqcA1gvuRF; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:55:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rgvt1Z00800zNUK8Ygvuqk; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:55:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Wtp2cVIZAAAA:8 a=zew6ojlsAAAA:8 a=NjsrLP00IUBRvgjQkDAA:9 a=yBOcxRetHkBv5F1EUM0A:9 a=MEk7_rN4axTLNLX-agsXYxM_cwsA:4 a=PoIT3gU5z9IA:10 a=AMACmkohzHHCPIKYeR4A:9 a=4PEd7sMPrWCtkQV-QCoA:9 a=tEySbaesEdUXzmBcpJBnuV0opmgA:4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:55:52 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42c4de6d-f04f-491c-bde7-f1cc00d5b476 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488173FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 07:24:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JBOOtp005500 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:24:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JBOI2G000523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JBNbd2048457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JBNYUp028123; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JBNTsP027982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-230-115.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.230.115] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KKAX5-00013O-FZ for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:53:23 +0930 Message-ID: <004301c8e991$d38704b0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:53:10 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] 15th century surcoats etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bac9c118-53ba-404c-a86d-7949fec22590 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4881CEE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, I am giving a class soon (in the context of the SCA), entitled 'Cotes and surcotes: Alternatives to Cloaks'. The idea is to give a broad view of outerwear in Western Europe from the 13th to the 16th century, describing various alternatives to cloaks (which can be awkward and a bit useless if you're doing more than just sitting around). However, the 15th century is giving me a bit of trouble. The 13th century is awash in various kinds of surcoats, many of which carry through into the 14th, and the 16th century of course, has doublets and jerkins and cassocks and so on galore. But there seems to be nothing equivalent in the 15th century, especially for women. This seems a little curious, given that this was the start of the Little Ice Age, but then again, if one is wearing a houppelande why would one need anything else? So my question to the list is - am I missing something here? Can anyone point me to some examples of 15th century outerwear? Thanks, Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 07:43:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JBh4rU008026 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:43:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JBguqp002006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:43:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JBggKR050789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JBggLk043055; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JBgc73042990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D44E249F4 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4881D329.8080103@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:42:33 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <004301c8e991$d38704b0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> In-Reply-To: <004301c8e991$d38704b0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th century surcoats etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d69aefa1-90db-4f83-b700-15e19b02f3d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4881D340.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:43:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > This seems a little curious, given that this was the start of the Little Ice Age, but then again, if one is wearing a houppelande why would one need anything else? So my question to the list is - am I missing something > here? Can anyone point me to some examples of 15th century outerwear? I believe that the houppelande/gown is exactly what you are looking for: outerwear. Heavier in the winter, lighter in the summer. Under that the kirtle and shift would be the indoor wear when you are warm enough or feeling informal. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 10:52:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JEqa6R017185 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:52:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JEqUMR023076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JEq85x060945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JEq679057119; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/KFw5KUH/0kCe8q3p63A4fgmNXDYNuLSo@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JEq3hn057080 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6JEq2fb018309 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:52:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 27191 invoked by uid 80); 19 Jul 2008 14:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.200) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 19 Jul 2008 14:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4881FF92.7090807@netherton.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:52:02 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <004301c8e991$d38704b0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <4881D329.8080103@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <4881D329.8080103@thibault.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th century surcoats etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cadb1adc-513a-4991-937e-7f8465137f46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4881FFAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Claire Clarke wrote: >> This seems a little curious, given that this was the start of the >> Little Ice Age, but then again, if one is wearing a houppelande why >> would one need anything else? So my question to the list is - am I >> missing something >> here? Can anyone point me to some examples of 15th century outerwear? > > I believe that the houppelande/gown is exactly what you are looking for: > outerwear. Heavier in the winter, lighter in the summer. Under that > the kirtle and shift would be the indoor wear when you are warm enough > or feeling informal. I was about to post just that, and then saw Cynthia got there first! Remember also that the houppelande (or equivalent gown) was frequently fur-lined. By the 1440s or so, the shape of the overdress changed, so the houppelande is gradually replaced by various V-necked overdress versions, again typically fur-linedd. When you see women outside in these, they are often wearing hoods. There are even some nice 15th-century genre scenes of people having snowball fights wearing overgowns and hoods. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 11:42:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JFgtjM019245 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:42:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JFgkYN002174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JFbE11063472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JFbEla084348; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JFbAmG084294 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080719153710.UVAQ24549.fep52.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:10 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.235]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080719153710.MLVG19524.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8e9b5$4d0a4450$ebe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.63.231.235] at Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:09 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9948b9f-49db-47c4-91e2-c79375fa4d08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48820B76.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO First i am not sertain if the word is coif or hood, i am talking about the = head dress worn for the lady i am going to recreate: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.htm What i can't figure out is the linnen part that peaks out from the black pe= arl coif. To me i cant figure out how it can bend out in the oval sides wit= hout bending in again at the ears, is it the painter who made something wro= ng or how on earth is it done? Can someone explain to me please? I have ben so fortunate that a grave found recently found in H=F8rby Kirke = from 1600 had a coif excactly like this i am going to make, unfortunately i= am not allowed to publish it yeat, because they want it to be published at= the website called: http://www.livinghistory.dk/- I have just printed out = the pattern in the right size and i guess i am going to use the same patter= n for the under linnen part, only slightly bigger. I am very excited to start this projekt, and i must go hunting for pearls o= n monday for the embellishment. I have planned to use some of my gold pearl= purl also. It is a lady named Ester Gr=F8lsted, who made the pattern draft after origi= nal wich was red silk. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 16:40:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JKeck9003421 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:40:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JKeWnU023845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JKdvoE080038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JKdtL5071976; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JKdoBw071884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:41:33 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:41:14 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] off topic Thread-Index: Acjo100mRMrldJxISr6/i44zvd3VmgBCHv2L Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1182A48F@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <007501c8e8d6$fbacf280$aee73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 174fc4f9-99ee-4c61-bd50-107792fda2a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48825140.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:40:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, I agree, they should have! Patty ________________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews [drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:05 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] off topic I ordered some gold braids from Watts in London via their webpage. When i clicked the braid i wanted, they had 2 to choose from, i didnt notice that it was the other one that popped up, so i ordered 10 meters of a narrow scalloped braid, it should have ben the wider one. When i clicked the other one, vise versa happened. I complainted about it when i received the 2 braids i ordered, i should have had a wide scalloped one, but got a narrow, and vise versa. All they said, back to me, that they were sorry and thankyou for notice it to us. Dont you think they should have sended me some new ones, of the ones i thoaght i had ordered? I dont have time to send back to them and waite for a new posting.............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 17:47:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JLlCqD006828 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:47:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JLl6fU015918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JLkn7W083339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JLklW7010221; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JLkiw9010130 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rtDB1Z00T0Fqzac5AxmKxw; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:46:19 +0000 Received: from Desktop2004 ([68.54.9.232]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rxme1Z00M50Nm3o3UxmeFA; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:46:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fR-oAiu2Il4A:10 a=UgIytubfGURedzFV6V0A:9 a=6_4XbIwmWyzgCdFQZTIA:9 a=YQVO4m5ZQVRyViwJBAAA:7 a=H2jYnyZaIxDYbOrVOj4LJyboYb0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 From: "Joan Mielke" To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:46:38 -0600 Message-ID: <118F1915DDED4656AFF687934592B8E1@Desktop2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Acjp6OwnZF6H5rUOSneSsOF+l/M/zQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th century surcoats, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd825dc3-1c50-43cd-95ac-f75314359f98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488260DA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:47:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In "The Medieval Tailor's Assistant," Sarah Thursfield illustrates 15th century dress with the following image. Scene from mass baptism, 1468, Flemish/Burgundian Chronisques du Hainaut, Bibliotheque Royale, Brussels MS 9243, f.72 It is Thursfield's plate nine on page 103 The image shows men and a woman undressing. The woman is wearing a fur lined houppeland with close cut mitten sleeves. Underneath she is wearing a square neck kirtle with a wide, possibly jeweled, belt. She is also wearing a partlet, or the equivalent, possibly silk. A man in the image is removing a fur lined houppeland with wide, closed sleeves (but not hanging). Underneath he is wearing a puff-sleeved short jerkin and hose with points. He may also have on a belt, but it isn't clear. Under his jerkin, which has an open front secured by some kind of lacing, he has on a white shirt. The four other men in the image are wearing more conservative jerkins, older style cotes or short houppelands. Two are clearly jerkins and the other two are ambiguous. One man is receiving assistance with his joined hose while still wearing a belted short cote or houppeland that is slit at the sides to the hip. (It could also be a pleat.) His legs are bare and he may not have another garment (except for shift and braes) underneath. Hopefully you can locate a copy of the image. The detail and variety of clothing is excellent. Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 19 18:28:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6JMSxwR008758 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:28:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6JMSrVd000531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6JMSTPe085452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JMSTHL033361; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6JMSP9o033283 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W20 ([64.4.19.120]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:28:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:28:20 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c8e9b5$4d0a4450$ebe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c8e9b5$4d0a4450$ebe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2008 22:28:20.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFC66E40:01C8E9EE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d39dfc90-4f91-4b79-b0c0-c5be0b1bb85b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48826AA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:28:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think that many of the hair pieces at this time used buckram or horse hai= r fabric for a stiffer and unforgiving shape to the hats/coverings. It look= s much like the frames that held up veils but combined with a cone shaped t= op. Kinda like a Cone-head from Saturday Night Live. The shape looks to be = to be a strip of stiff fabric that is shaped around the face. It would stan= d off the face a little so the pearls could be seen just in front of the ea= rs. It went cown to the bottom of the ear lobe. It looks like someone came = up with a first in portraits of this time. A hat with the french hood front= . Just in my opinion. I've never seen one like this before.Sincerely, Rebec= ca Rautine> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: S= at, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:04 +0200> Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?= > > First i am not sertain if the word is coif or hood, i am talking about = the head dress worn for the lady i am going to recreate:> http://www.my-dre= wscostumes.dk/br2.htm> What i can't figure out is the linnen part that peak= s out from the black pearl coif. To me i cant figure out how it can bend ou= t in the oval sides without bending in again at the ears, is it the painter= who made something wrong or how on earth is it done?> Can someone explain = to me please?> I have ben so fortunate that a grave found recently found in= H=F8rby Kirke from 1600 had a coif excactly like this i am going to make, = unfortunately i am not allowed to publish it yeat, because they want it to = be published at the website called: http://www.livinghistory.dk/- I have ju= st printed out the pattern in the right size and i guess i am going to use = the same pattern for the under linnen part, only slightly bigger.> I am ver= y excited to start this projekt, and i must go hunting for pearls on monday= for the embellishment. I have planned to use some of my gold pearl purl al= so.> It is a lady named Ester Gr=F8lsted, who made the pattern draft after = original wich was red silk.> > Bjarne> ____________________________________= ___________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.= indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_= 072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 20 14:31:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6KIVsdN004784 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6KIVjmN022525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6KIV1Et034607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KIUvkS049117; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KIUsZW049060 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080720183052.YASX8173.fep53.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:52 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.168]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080720183052.MVIW17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:52 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.168] at Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:51 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] modest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23530fc5-d5f6-4590-835c-7413e2066855 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48838491.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is there an english term of a piece of clothing called a modest? In a danish inventory there is the term of modester in plural, have never heard that word before. Its inventories from 1720 and 1730. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 20 15:44:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6KJiKcX007422 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6KJiE4J009104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6KJgWpN038394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:42:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KJgUR1093679; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KJgS9U093645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m6KJg8Kx010271 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:42:12 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52189.72.13.239.193.1216582932.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] modest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4c8ed11-2ed0-43ff-86cf-9873b02cb0ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4883958E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A Modesty Piece was a ruffle of gathered lace, or linen fabric with a lace edge, worn across the top of the stomacher. I think it may have helped conceal a cleavage line, since you rarely see artwork with that line. Some reenactors call a neck-handkerchief (fichu) a modesty piece, but the term was not used for that in the 18th century. So don't let them confuse you. :-) -Carol > Is there an english term of a piece of clothing called a modest? > In a danish inventory there is the term of modester in plural, have never > heard that word before. Its inventories from 1720 and 1730. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 20 17:03:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6KL3gDK010785 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:03:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6KL3WKt022353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6KL1QdW042202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KL1P2w043368; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KL1N1W043350 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so383427anc.85 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fOqKd4S1mo8RI+tOhlxPrYh70lzK6GAF0u8eb9Jpa2M=; b=vA7CVcVSxX54+Xv3uzTD7T8aNiz4CFuZQesKt+bEOywiHB93/eX1uYzUd6O244n50s rF8QT3AGb1JOqrB0inGdy8HHWVXlmNq5clLaNxIjCekTMi8m7qL0wPHaadAFocJJwZkx OCgQdX43iyDJI6Dv7YkcvvFnf/M0q5oGbGNDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sAijORxHI7eXunHnbVxfttYOSEFX28FmI54vg/Bggn8o7QsklcoKvTZ7rN6o8RxRFd kTbp2i6h6//NV7llfllhvu8OJOX3FYhW1FNNxS0rxlFDkCUcATieG8kBLVNi/8lS668+ q762VUHLZ2lDUi4HyiY1GaDfHolDrRwP+oT8w= Received: by 10.100.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr1438442ank.149.1216587682092; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:22 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? 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The pictures noted below all show layering, with varying degrees of stiffening to the sheer layer: http://www.livinghistory.dk/pibekraver/thumbnails/pict0107.jpg or http://www.livinghistory.dk/pibekraver/thumbnails/pict0922.jpg http://www.livinghistory.dk/kavalkade-billeder/image006.jpg http://www.livinghistory.dk/kavalkade-billeder/image010.jpg and http://www.marquise.de/images/1600/162x_1.jpg The headdress seems to be specific to northern Europe, possible because it does cover the head completely (cold there, after all). The shape is very similar to how hairstyles were being worn in other places, higher and higher, and almost straight up from the head. I think the hat, itself is made with wedge-shaped sections. Have fun, Regina in L.A. * ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:37:04 +0200 From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000801c8e9b5$4d0a4450$* *ebe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First i am not sertain if the word is coif or hood, i am talking about the head dress worn for the lady i am going to recreate: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.htm What i can't figure out is the linnen part that peaks out from the black pearl coif. To me i cant figure out how it can bend out in the oval sides without bending in again at the ears, is it the painter who made something wrong or how on earth is it done? Can someone explain to me please? I have ben so fortunate that a grave found recently found in H?rby Kirke from 1600 had a coif excactly like this i am going to make, unfortunately i am not allowed to publish it yeat, because they want it to be published at the website called: http://www.livinghistory.dk/- I have just printed out the pattern in the right size and i guess i am going to use the same pattern for the under linnen part, only slightly bigger. I am very excited to start this projekt, and i must go hunting for pearls on monday for the embellishment. I have planned to use some of my gold pearl purl also. It is a lady named Ester Gr?lsted, who made the pattern draft after original wich was red silk. Bjarne ------------------------------* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 20 19:54:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6KNsYQb018025 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6KNsStr028306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6KNrdVD050064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KNraho039911; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KNrXoV039841 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web18-z02 ([10.127.132.169]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080720235328.ZZWR7810.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web18-z02> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:53:28 +0000 Message-ID: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:53:28 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? 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Kate > http://www.livinghistory.dk/kavalkade-billeder/image006.jpg > http://www.livinghistory.dk/kavalkade-billeder/image010.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 12:47:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LGl6o7015944 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LGkxY6029993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LGkVuf000290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LGkQei085954; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (as2.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LGkLbW085710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as2.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502114.69274284; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:46:04 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:46:04 -0700 Message-Id: <48845AD5.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:45:57 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 355bbc38-51cc-4c56-89dd-96b026388a47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4884BD83.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan >>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:51:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a > straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it > down to the undershift. > > Ginni Morgan > >>>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> > Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might > work for a stage costume of this? > > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may > contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is > solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni >>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/21/08 9:50 AM >>> It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a > straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it > down to the undershift. > > Ginni Morgan > >>>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> > Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might > work for a stage costume of this? > > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may > contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is > solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 13:08:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LH81i8016552 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LH7uVP008790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LH7hsT002095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LH7hFN007397; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LH7ZQk007273 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sc7j1Z00A1HpZEsA7h7i5r; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:07:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sh2g1Z00B00zNUK8ah7hN3; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:07:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7Y1ZiPdTqi4A:10 a=TG9TABtodZAA:10 a=Wtp2cVIZAAAA:8 a=zew6ojlsAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=MXap3gXlIH3iUaJUVrUA:9 a=5uvDBgkzPMv_4FzvQOUA:9 a=ELSnMxrAzpE2jVNbVdQA:7 a=fDYhlbjaahSPosfzbcRFGkZ4aw0A:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <48845E9D.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> <48845AD5.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <5730a6b6939c3d3c4a148386bffda76b@ntw.net> <48845E9D.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> Message-Id: <52765ab9580f988f153d41945c7bdaf6@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:41 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13706b28-436f-4416-a07a-1a17978df8ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4884C26C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too weak. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted > together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you > need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something > solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads > to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't > be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. > > My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal > re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the > reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn > over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently > unknown. > > Ginni > >>>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/21/08 9:50 AM >>> > It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? > > On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > >> I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a >> straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it >> down to the undershift. >> >> Ginni Morgan >> >>>>> Sylvia Rognstad 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> >> Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might >> work for a stage costume of this? >> >> >> Sylvia Rognstad >> Divinity Designs and Emeralds >> http://www.d-e-designs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may >> contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is >> solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Dawn wrote: > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? > > I used to see "fishnet" sold for decorating, in a little package with > some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something > like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have > shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing > is still available. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 13:33:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LHX3W6017262 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LHWvUM003662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LHWUoM004096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LHWTOG031127; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18Bnf2hJqU2m6MrM2ok0CXyCQjy7XUAQ5w@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LHWQRg031078 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6LHWP09001339 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:32:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 29135 invoked by uid 80); 21 Jul 2008 17:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.200) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 21 Jul 2008 17:32:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4884C827.406@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:32:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> In-Reply-To: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf2b9c6b-0015-4a92-aaf0-3e5717732273 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4884C849.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ailith wrote: > Do the crosses floating above the heads mean that the person is dead? Just curious. That rings a bell for me, and it would make sense. It might also explain why those particular figures are wearing crowns. (I came into this late, just when I saw that last note, so I don't know if the crowns were already discussed.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 13:54:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LHsNKr018205 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LHsH2i005582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LH30GD001678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LH30hP002683; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LH2uhI002539 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF7A133A12 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4884CF36.4030401@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:02:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> <48845AD5.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <5730a6b6939c3d3c4a148386bffda76b@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <5730a6b6939c3d3c4a148386bffda76b@ntw.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fa2b03f-edce-42d2-b7b5-6309a470f95d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4884CD49.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see "fishnet" sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:09:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LI9f8C018672 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:09:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LI9XmZ029970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LI80cL006982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LI7waE065692; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LI7spu065568 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W41 ([65.55.138.76]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.40] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:49 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 18:07:49.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF95D550:01C8EB5C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8f811e9-5576-4639-9117-293b3fed6793 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4884D0DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Enjoy Sg Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:22:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIMtqF019106 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LIMmtn008071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LIMW2M008071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIMWJN079925; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw2.mccc.edu (pptgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIMSXS079802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw2.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6LCmmG9006110 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:48:48 -0700 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K4D006EXCD7ZO80@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kate Pinner To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:19 -0400 Message-id: <263740250CFA448B8CDB6F68E0B81907@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> Thread-index: AcjpW84mhJ7ZiggFTpepySe3ar5UswCAnDsg X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5343 signatures=428398 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ad848e5-8939-4df9-bfa1-d6b83846a2bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4884D3F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1" scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx?cid=158&idx=6 300&tid=1&info=Netting Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:24:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIO5hX019147 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LINxdP000802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LINjCA008169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LINjDO081124; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LINhqX080995 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6LINZO8011822 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:23:37 GMT Message-ID: <003401c8eb5e$e5d9f9a0$dc87da46@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8df3fe3-8aa5-4653-b671-f9933e6778a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4884D43F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For fishnets, try Hobby Lobby, or the Party Store (I think that's the name), or anyplace that sells Hawaiian party stuff. Even Albertsons used to carry it in the summer years ago. It's Luau Time! :-) Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:29 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:33:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIXURf019514 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:33:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LIXP8h030182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LIX03G008863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIWxRg090852; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIWuZo090661 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=pehhzKE8fq9xUD7aL1xCZ/xoZ9Wj5Kr3L+fTVtblKxmTjM1Y75819/2BnuPZTwhE; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.42] (helo=elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KL0Bn-0000GL-4q for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:32:51 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:32:51 -0400 Message-ID: <23860616.1216665171050.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c01aba6aabba43f7ab9526ba8c4823204350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66b60aad-6c58-4e7c-b14a-c71ce4e8d228 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4884D675.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:33:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia wrote: >I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to >macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across >a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too >weak. Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. If you do find some fishnet (1 inch squares or something like that) I'd suggest threading the beads on something strong and also sewing them individually to the strings of the net (i.e. sew through each bead, not just over the string they are threaded on). Of course, if you aren't particularly looking for durability, this becomes less important and you do have more alternatives (many of which will be less work). I don't know whether Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood's book on Pharaonic clothing addresses this type of garment, but that might be a good source to check. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:47:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIlvFP020006 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LIlq1X027751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LIl9gu009773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIl9i3004504; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIl87c004473 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1263166rvb.11 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=whFhaH8l+eOZutPlqqdMRJBCgMg6DAEg8nuSr0wy+vs=; b=AH5HVUe06Ji80MRxjuwFS/s0T9noeurCFt//Gx7++LBhsGrWdoHR4K2jZ1bP5qZmcl CC9SVJZR7afERHTmTsdQcChKHNmWlKTMy6MIpmYIsY3AkiHnhKM0Um2D+8hEEoCRa4fM 3eBHlnt1WNNr7ArcTrOLeWB1CDt8bi3vXtHSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=D/0fo+dX2B8gCHR0L16fiy964eR65EDII5OfI+Y822Fbpg1TDw6zDFNyRlGHXEryXv OgPs22yEnYhEujW7tsXyMqbBQM/MoKst36IJqYXyHvcKmg/2wbUOM2A9pw7LoXLDUNKl /bDNDG1JRItzz7iK+yXbie92uvL1RqWKMLFkM= Received: by 10.141.115.6 with SMTP id s6mr2009876rvm.239.1216666027395; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660807211147w4b9dcfc6s17fa8ed710130890@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:07 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f05f4b4a-2de5-46cb-8a57-b2585108f3f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4884D9D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OH, thank you. Mari / Bridgette On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf > > My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy > > Sg > > Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:51:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIp9iL020112 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LIp3Of011094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LIjifR009626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIjhWf003135; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LIje4A002988 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FF2133A69 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:45:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4884E749.4050001@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:45:13 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <23860616.1216665171050.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <23860616.1216665171050.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d84bcad-701c-4575-b49e-46922e0b485d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4884DA97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. > I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 14:56:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LIu5Oe020253 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:56:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LItwFB009100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LItWAX010537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LItWME012690; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LItS6F012611 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080721185527.CPBL14896.fep51.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:27 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.108]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080721185527.NQTZ19524.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c8eb63$567c3750$6c14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> <4884C827.406@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.108] at Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:26 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c255f0f8-b902-4cf9-8e7e-e7e61f2bd754 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4884DBBE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have today made a mock up of the head dress from 1600 and i found pictures wich i was allowed to use from an effigy figure at the Ribe Cathedral in Denmark. This is the type of head dress wich was found in a grave recently! I suppose the round shape you can see under the head dress must be a hair pad or something? Here you can see the pictures: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 15:34:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LJYwDc021430 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:34:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LJYqoH002934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LJXsnq013529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LJXrs1050122; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LJXobK049972 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sfx11Z00K17UAYkA8jZl2m; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:33:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sjZi1Z00G00zNUK8ZjZkXj; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:33:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7Y1ZiPdTqi4A:10 a=TG9TABtodZAA:10 a=WVVr1CrEAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=qHxDLgfWGyeQCv6elRkA:9 a=57SaLu4OST4_wzkZcQgA:9 a=3hFul-kpWxCfgJMWMMJHWmy7SVoA:4 a=ok68_o4NJqgA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4884E749.4050001@reddawn.net> References: <23860616.1216665171050.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4884E749.4050001@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <78b63f2ca13678389a5fa42a1dad220c@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:33:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1c3ad81-7fa4-4fb8-bc0c-a9717aa8c69f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4884E4DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:34:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Paper beads might be a good idea. Thanx! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Dawn wrote: > Chris Laning wrote: >> Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the >> beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be >> *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen >> fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original >> beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was >> made. >> > > I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making > paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and > roll slips of paper on it like this: > http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm > > You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it > would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 15:35:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6LJZ2li021433 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6LJYuAI001764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6LJYR0V013568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LJYRlm050717; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6LJYNiU050600 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sgcY1Z00J17UAYkA3jaLfR; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:34:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sjZi1Z00G00zNUK8ZjaKg4; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:34:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7Y1ZiPdTqi4A:10 a=TG9TABtodZAA:10 a=Wtp2cVIZAAAA:8 a=m4OYof2LAAAA:8 a=zew6ojlsAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=GNVYa59AT5CtN0c7wS8A:9 a=KjkSX_VhYz5pOVUeLKEA:9 a=DhO88Mty-NSOASTyi2IA:7 a=PxQqTdynN52B6OslEjY8ddjH1pMA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <263740250CFA448B8CDB6F68E0B81907@WWC.MCCC.Com> References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> <263740250CFA448B8CDB6F68E0B81907@WWC.MCCC.Com> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:34:18 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e32bdbde-c4f4-4667-99b3-6133d51dea01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4884E4E0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: > Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1" scenery netting > http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx? > cid=158&idx=6 > 300&tid=1&info=Netting > > Kate > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress > > Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might > work for > a stage costume of this? > > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 21 20:17:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6M0Hl1e031543 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6M0Hf6w020621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:17:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6M0H58U033978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M0H1kR079125; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M0Gwng079015 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:17:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W33 ([64.4.19.133]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:16:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:16:53 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c8eb63$567c3750$6c14a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> <4884C827.406@netherton.net> <000c01c8eb63$567c3750$6c14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2008 00:16:53.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E4B4F40:01C8EB90] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c15b2466-4c2d-4576-b592-e0e55988fe5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48852725.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:17:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Her necklace looks like some that modern gang members wear. I gues that's ancient bling. I wonder what the S stands for. It's also on there belt.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:24 +0200> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?> > I have today made a mock up of the head dress from 1600 and i found pictures > wich i was allowed to use from an effigy figure at the Ribe Cathedral in > Denmark. This is the type of head dress wich was found in a grave recently!> I suppose the round shape you can see under the head dress must be a hair > pad or something?> Here you can see the pictures:> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm> > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 22 02:58:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6M6wJl6027432 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:58:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6M6wD2m019137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6M6vovK056460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M6vlT9035050; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M6visS034952 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W26 ([64.4.19.126]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:57:38 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <26764020.1258071216598008270.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> <4884C827.406@netherton.net> <000c01c8eb63$567c3750$6c14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2008 06:57:39.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B077470:01C8EBC8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:58:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what it's called right now. I'm tired and it's late) This is the first time I've seem the images that was referred to. Do you think that the transparent aprons were like the little caps/head coverings that certain religions wear today? The ladies still wear the transparent caps/bonnets (not sure what religion that is really). Their material seems very stiff too. In the paintings, the aprons seem to buckle when they kneel. The angle seems unnatural and angular as it should curve under their knees.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: zeartiste@hotmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:16:53 -0400> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?> > > Her necklace looks like some that modern gang members wear. I gues that's ancient bling. I wonder what the S stands for. It's also on there belt.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine>_______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 22 05:24:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6M9OV6Y006204 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:24:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6M9OQKY003865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:24:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6M9IVhl064597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M9ITf7029808; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6M9IQvM029764 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A533867F02A6; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:15:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8ebdb$e00d43b0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjpW3vlSj89wTDzRMWcRpK7IQwXXgCf+e7A In-Reply-To: <85cfad7db3982f5c0362e5e1a7c48ce2@ntw.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ed01386-f2c1-41c0-93da-996e9293cd99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4885A74A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:24:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For a stage costume, use drinking straws, cut into pieces. They would thread quickly onto string, (put two strings through a straw piece, then split the strings and put through another straw piece with strings on either side, if that makes sense) and you could put pre-made beaded fringe on the bottom for "movement". -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 22 13:16:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6MHGwB2017798 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6MHGp3U006637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6MHGX6G096012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6MHGUP5037550; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6MHGQQh037374 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web24-z02 ([10.127.132.175]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080722171621.JVPB2163.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web24-z02> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:16:21 +0000 Message-ID: <23091904.457121216746981395.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:20 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dc121c6-1138-4dfd-a5eb-d996b34325b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48861603.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Rather than regular plastic drinking straws, what about using the coffee stirrer type straws? They would be more of the size of the original beads. They could be cut, slit length-wise, painted with plastic friendly spray paint, and then put on the netting. Kate ---- Sharon Collier wrote: > For a stage costume, use drinking straws, cut into pieces. They would thread > quickly onto string, (put two strings through a straw piece, then split the > strings and put through another straw piece with strings on either side, if > that makes sense) and you could put pre-made beaded fringe on the bottom for > "movement". > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress > > Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for > a stage costume of this? > > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 04:19:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6N8Jids021410 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:19:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6N8JWRA003484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6N8IvZD053441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6N8Iq53009928; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk (mail2.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6N8IlTg009814 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg01.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.223]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m6N8IeB11289.; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:18:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:15:28 +0100 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.41]) with mapi; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:18:40 +0100 From: Kate M Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:18:39 +0100 Thread-Topic: [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Thread-Index: AcjsJRBCgH1JttlOTCyXJjCb2nLlCAAdcuew Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487578934BA7@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5424fd22-faf3-419d-b9b9-5aadbea76e14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4886E994.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:19:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Becky Rautine wrote: >Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an >official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 >necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't >think of what it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 04:45:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6N8jI5l025945 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:45:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6N8jDQ5022404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6N8iwZj054870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6N8iwD6024094; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6N8isu2024048 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEDF111A0378; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:42:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487578934BA7@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c8eca0$60ffabb0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487578934BA7@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Thread-Index: AcjsJRBCgH1JttlOTCyXJjCb2nLlCAAdcuewAAFV7uA= X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a98f384-5ba2-42a0-841f-91c9010d12a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4886EF99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:45:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Belt part--- Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs down center front? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Becky Rautine wrote: >Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an >official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 >necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't >think of what it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:06:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJ6olK012934 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJ6inW006473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:06:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJ5tVF006291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJ5qGu058011; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJ5nRC057940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJ5m0H024504 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:05:48 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:05:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:05:48 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81f7c773-31b3-4dab-8e02-3667abe28932 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48878144.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:06:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:18:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJIrKo013371 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:18:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJIlti006577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:18:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJE21E007096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJE1q2066012; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJDvEo065850 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9071133F2F for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:13:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <488790EB.4020604@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:13:31 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] paper doll book with turn-of-the-century outfits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37659dd2-fa3b-4418-945c-cfb6d3275ab4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48878417.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO From my local news: Kansas City Museum will sell paper doll book with turn-of-the-century outfits A paper doll book inspired by equestrienne Loula Long Combs has been created exclusively for the Kansas City Museum and is available at its visitor shop. The $15.95 book by illustrator and doll historian Johana Gast Anderton features hats and outfits based on historic clothing and period photographs. Anderton also has donated to the museum a real 24-inch doll that Combs commissioned in her own likeness while in Europe in 1908. Anderton will be on hand to sign copies of the paper doll book from noon to 4 p.m. Aug. 3 at the museum, 3218 Gladstone Boulevard. | Matt Campbell, mcampbell@kcstar.com http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/716482.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:24:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJOe2Y013617 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJOXXO019016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJNCZU007772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJMvQ0074829; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJMqv7074675 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F5B133F57 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48879300.5050409@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:22:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf87d00f-275e-4b10-8214-d84456805d2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48878571.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of > fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the > fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century > inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. How do you define "small'? I need about half a yard to line the body of a dress or a ren-fest bodice. Smaller than that and it goes in a box which I push off on someone else for crafting, doll clothes, or simply throw away. Mostly it gets used as a cat bed. :) Anything larger than half a yard has usually been purchased with a specific project in mind and there is enough for the jerkin, doublet or skirt in the piece. I started labeling the yardage so I can tell at a glance what I've got. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:24:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJOi8F013623 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJOY8u025052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJNHYc007791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJF9Us067175; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJEOca066353 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080723191423.IUFG14896.fep51.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:23 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.106]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080723191423.SFAI28187.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:23 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c8ecf8$50c9dbf0$6a14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.106] at Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:23 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] renaissance headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3025c999-a759-4593-9b2c-c960fe20a9de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48878572.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was allowed to show my headdress after all, not the pattern til later, but you can get an idea how it looks like in shape! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I have started the pearl decoration, and it gets quite heavy, so i have interlined with a heavy linnen. Its freshwater pearls and gold pearl purl, gold spangels for decoration........... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:24:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJOkqC013629 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJOeQ0001072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJNHYe007791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJIg8d070694; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6NJIdnw070565 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pennyrobertsho@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5888 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2008 19:18:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1Y8mnahZu+KJX3/bLDZWJO5oz1s5afy+Y1+NUiICcnGK+xzY6Yc1rJok+P1rDnddLSSkIaYsSMxbarxpqOhQnGD5re6QZB8+peAka0RXXG9Dt8bVlGnrRzySqhcM8+jheXI4bSIue4rXsdkLo8CnRJ3bnD6va9+HVzJ40SbTmNo=; Received: from [198.64.18.145] by web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:18:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Roberts To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <946488.5750.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 001790b0-cd35-462a-b5ca-559b76079ff6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48878578.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Piecework Mongolian ----- Original Message ---- From: "00217146@bigred.unl.edu" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:05:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself=A0 = wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful.=A0 I have a bunch=A0 = of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples.=A0 I have tons of linen=A0 = off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a=A0 = paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be=A0 = flatlined.=A0 I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many=A0 = trips to the local Pendleton outlet.=A0 I have no idea what to do with=A0 = it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of=A0 = fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the=A0 = fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century=A0 = inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I=A0 = haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:28:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJSOc9013742 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJSJ8p003400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJRQ69008210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJRQJ5079211; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJQWcQ078278 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tP5z1Z0031GhbT858XSTaM; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:27 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.197.128]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tXSS1Z0092mhybw3TXSSHd; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=1Aswit6XJmUStb2UqoEA:9 a=C2BDvlcviqHgIk8_-rEA:9 a=rbui-xvPwqOO0JNTt_c65h_os0UA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 a=6Z0DXoF9omglIwOzs64U_S08p1kA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter18.comcast.net; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:26 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:26 +0000 Message-Id: <072320081926.4986.488785E2000164A60000137A22070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68b12531-14e9-4ded-9264-0aa7ab313f45 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48878653.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, this is too much fun! I make pouches for small bits of sewing gear out of pieces as small as 2" x 4". Also, pincushions and needlebooks -- wool is very kind to the steel, so I stuff with wool or use wool felt if I don't have scrap flannel for the pages. I've started lining and fitting boxes with pretty velvet and brocade scraps, and then once they're fitted out, of course THEY need a little drawstring bag to protect them. Er, I also make drawstring bags for my modern stuff, like the GPS and the iPod. Helps to disguise them if they should stray into a re-enacting event, too. Bigger pieces make lovely drawstring workbags. It is great to have multiple workbags, so I can have one for each unfinished project. Fancier pouches are nice, too, and a nice way to show off really lovely scraps. Hats. Doll clothes. I am planning to make mitts from an old silk half-slip and from some linen off-cuts. This requires enough fabric to cut the mitts on the bias, and these mitts are 18th C (I don't know if they were worn in other periods.) Pieced, sewn hose. Gussets. Aprons. At least in 18th C there's a rumor of wool aprons, which would indeed be great for hearth-cooking. A number of my linen aprons are pieced from off-cuts. Since I do 18th C, anything a yard square or bigger can be hemmed for a neck-handkerchief. A lot of my linen scraps end up being employed as bands and ties and things to try to restrain my hair under caps and wigs (it's growing out but still needs some help.) I keep meaning to make some coifs for this purpose; I wear a nice big linen headrail when I'm medieval, but it's nice to have something tied down underneath to pin it to. Napkins, cozies, towels, coasters, hot-grabbers (period and otherwise.) Did I mention drawstring bags? I make scraps in drawstring bags for tableware, too. Basket-covers. Nearly every woman I know who does any kind of historical playing uses a basket to stand in for a handbag; at minimum it's nice to have a piece of fabric to throw over the contents. I keep meaning to make some bags fitted to the interior of the basket so I can easily shift contents. OK. Back to work... Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself > wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch > of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen > off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a > paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be > flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many > trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with > it all. > > I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of > fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the > fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century > inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. > > Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: > > Doublet, for myself or my husband > Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) > Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) > Coif/caul > flatlining for pickadills (linen only) > > I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I > haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. > > Curious what others do, > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:29:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJTm2r013828 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:29:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJTg3k004375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:29:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJQxHV008155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJQx2T078747; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJQWG0078276 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tTRS1Z0091GhbT858XSTaL; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:27 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.197.128]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tXSS1Z0092mhybw3TXSSHd; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=1Aswit6XJmUStb2UqoEA:9 a=C2BDvlcviqHgIk8_-rEA:9 a=rbui-xvPwqOO0JNTt_c65h_os0UA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 a=6Z0DXoF9omglIwOzs64U_S08p1kA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter18.comcast.net; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:26 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:26 +0000 Message-Id: <072320081926.4986.488785E2000164A60000137A22070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 898352dc-d302-4583-aa2c-7669b2cca0a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488786A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:29:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, this is too much fun! I make pouches for small bits of sewing gear out of pieces as small as 2" x 4". Also, pincushions and needlebooks -- wool is very kind to the steel, so I stuff with wool or use wool felt if I don't have scrap flannel for the pages. I've started lining and fitting boxes with pretty velvet and brocade scraps, and then once they're fitted out, of course THEY need a little drawstring bag to protect them. Er, I also make drawstring bags for my modern stuff, like the GPS and the iPod. Helps to disguise them if they should stray into a re-enacting event, too. Bigger pieces make lovely drawstring workbags. It is great to have multiple workbags, so I can have one for each unfinished project. Fancier pouches are nice, too, and a nice way to show off really lovely scraps. Hats. Doll clothes. I am planning to make mitts from an old silk half-slip and from some linen off-cuts. This requires enough fabric to cut the mitts on the bias, and these mitts are 18th C (I don't know if they were worn in other periods.) Pieced, sewn hose. Gussets. Aprons. At least in 18th C there's a rumor of wool aprons, which would indeed be great for hearth-cooking. A number of my linen aprons are pieced from off-cuts. Since I do 18th C, anything a yard square or bigger can be hemmed for a neck-handkerchief. A lot of my linen scraps end up being employed as bands and ties and things to try to restrain my hair under caps and wigs (it's growing out but still needs some help.) I keep meaning to make some coifs for this purpose; I wear a nice big linen headrail when I'm medieval, but it's nice to have something tied down underneath to pin it to. Napkins, cozies, towels, coasters, hot-grabbers (period and otherwise.) Did I mention drawstring bags? I make scraps in drawstring bags for tableware, too. Basket-covers. Nearly every woman I know who does any kind of historical playing uses a basket to stand in for a handbag; at minimum it's nice to have a piece of fabric to throw over the contents. I keep meaning to make some bags fitted to the interior of the basket so I can easily shift contents. OK. Back to work... Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself > wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch > of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen > off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a > paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be > flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many > trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with > it all. > > I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of > fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the > fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century > inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. > > Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: > > Doublet, for myself or my husband > Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) > Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) > Coif/caul > flatlining for pickadills (linen only) > > I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I > haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. > > Curious what others do, > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:32:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJWAcV013910 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJW3Bs014481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJQPVj008080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJQHb6078139; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJQEUI078090 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so649431ana.65 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jFJwLTuMcof/gjrz7QIRw4ZVwCCFRg9r2YglqjjJMG8=; b=jEtMpr/KoRX7r13B/Azmpi5SHHDv24J9uFRtdi/DNyYfq1jxzlnHyihrhKOMqOa3ww ssgydPeyxUfuMgAc1Kus/7yuQrPTh2WOwt4D49U8DqX2zENIwUrfITytUj3ISx4F9N6G IHJdtt/o8rUYi7gVsi2WoSh0CvioB0nNFcWVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XA0Uw+WrfULYHaIbN/BMgapIfvHzeLl4s6XqdX+E01BI66XFyfq3Xf7hyPmq4bdSfY tZOYl5kfxnJ9n5Sly+cn5mPtGUNsr2xhR+r1ItFo5BgC3hiC37aqspdMgO8iWpBmYAP2 uRvUNd68JmztDPb1TIQn+sqzBlbmozKxc4Lxs= Received: by 10.100.252.17 with SMTP id z17mr220997anh.69.1216841174478; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:26:14 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6024b59-f04b-4132-b57e-6526051836e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48878733.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. Someone picked them up whose daughter was in a Costume program at college, so they got used or passed on successfully, but got out of my house. I don't have the room for storage that some people do, so I can't keep every piece that I can say *but I can still use this!* about. I'll never ever make everything I could. I'll never even make all those handkerchiefs and placemats I've sworn I could make with this or that. And quilting is just not me. Of course, once I had reclaimed all that space, I had plenty of space for new fabric. It's a terrible circle. :() MaggiRos On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:05 PM, <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself > wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of > high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts > (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), > since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good > amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton > outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. > > I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. > I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are > brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love > to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. > > Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: > > Doublet, for myself or my husband > Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) > Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) > Coif/caul > flatlining for pickadills (linen only) > > I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't > made enough of them to say that I do it often. > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html and your favorite bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:49:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJn55Q014426 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJn0wN024401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJmkpm009892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJmj0p099767; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJmexY099678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1KLkKf-0005Bj-4t for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:49:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:49:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Message-ID: References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5285f366-7cd8-454c-8681-44c144c57855 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48878B2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, depending on what it is and how big it is-- charcloth trim pieced hose pouches pin holders (I have lots of scraps of wool melton full of pins) patches hoods more pouches shoes coifs Otherwise it goes into the Bin Of Useful Fabric to donate to someone else, or into the bin for my Fibers 101 class whereof it gets set on fire to teach burn testing. Jen/pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 15:49:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NJnJYt014434 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NJnEfL003371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJn2p9009945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJn1bZ000163; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJmquu099882 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1502512wra.23 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ynD664nHIlt4fheEiPzqFatKpznQRgeHQKEpUXrKy6Y=; b=UcODU5Ca9cthHKVvNw9RoeaZun3IEbtX7sS+oZXowQ7UKikYiKvfAIoaQlN2QmfGys QhjE/DU5Tdy+x3uz6+2FNVKhdO+JiADDVomJErIK5wgeYH2ZGk/ekiaQa1Y3DsKOnI2h NMHJHxzhlDOOx/z/zTFUJxa24m20Fz4PdYuY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kXi7G//jj3GjpBNaXmJGd0crVTjAX6cZ9x2AMeK8Ah1FzICUP/0nIlaAbOMyPKivFm qnD3PkBhFTOTxpqTpsEKPamWRfwp+I98HaeYDl+tJJapWWlkrAVacD5z+UpKSgSFDQUX DZapUytR0EAHXWOghk3hpJKwnBPjAnweFRc8A= Received: by 10.90.91.2 with SMTP id o2mr167307agb.111.1216842531822; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.92.18 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0807231248x4461a026p353d1e09890c18d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:48:51 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b25c5af5-9035-42b2-a6c9-b265a55a575a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48878B3A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. You can also cut them in strips (or a very long spiral) and knit or crochet with them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 16:19:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NKJ30A015598 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:19:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NKIj33026750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:18:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NJOK4f007927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:24:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJOJmk076188; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NJOEdp076116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.186] (dial-209-148-99-186.sonic.net [209.148.99.186] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6NJOAXX016744 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:24:13 -0700 Message-ID: <4887855E.5080902@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:24:14 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f7b9185-6312-4fd4-850f-baf88a4683ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48879225.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:19:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I use small pieces of strong brocades and damasks for corsets and vests. I love brocaded corsets no matter what era they are for, and no I am not going to get all agitated about whether coutil is more "authentic" for some eras. I'm not displaying my corsets in public anyway. Odd bits of lace, silk, velvet, and junk jewelry are very useful for trimming hats. I use cotton lace appliques and bits, and leftovers of fabric, to patch antique clothes, replace waistbands, etc. I use leftover pieces of cottons to make fitting muslins. I don't care if they are all the same material, as long as they are all the same weight and there is enough to cut one garment section. However, a few years ago I found that, over a period of many years, I had accumulated a bunch of tiny upholstery fabric samples and fabric leftovers that I just could not find any way to use. I packed them into a couple of big boxes and gave them to an acquaintance who quilts. She said she could use the cottons for patchwork quilts and the brocades, velvets, etc. for crazy quilts. The next time I saw her, she was hand-sewing together some of my cotton bits into a quilt block. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. > I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are > brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd > love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 16:27:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NKR8cA015806 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:27:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NKR36N008339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:27:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NKQFOg013056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NKQDpS036419; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NKQ85D036338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.186] (dial-209-148-99-186.sonic.net [209.148.99.186] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6NKQ6lG018821 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: <488793E2.4050807@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <818891.23364.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080723140548.6bskqrrlcsg8c0wo@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> <16a2233a0807231248x4461a026p353d1e09890c18d9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0807231248x4461a026p353d1e09890c18d9@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bae1a87-56b3-47cb-a405-0f6b98b9e042 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48879417.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:27:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or turn them into rag rugs. Fran Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> I unloaded tons of short ends and substantial scraps by freecycling. > > You can also cut them in strips (or a very long spiral) and knit or > crochet with them. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 16:44:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NKi9UO016506 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:44:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NKi1MG005822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NKhPb6014485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NKhOU8052757; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NKhLam052631 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c8f.2d9fae5f (39329) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:43:12 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 121f10d2-5b6d-4bb5-bab6-c9d700ae2163 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48879811.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:44:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 7/23/2008 3:06:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu writes: I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. **************************** There's nothing like catching a glimpse of some lining/facing.... inside a sleeve, under a peplum, or at an open neck...made of an expensive beautiful fabric. This is why I will save pieces even 1/2 a yard and less if it's fabulous. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. 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(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 17:55:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NLt2pa018946 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:55:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NLsu6g021639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NLs7hM019570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NLs5LF014341; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NLs1uH014218 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.cd9.355abc72 (32915) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:53:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc40a2a5-3478-4809-887c-2c804b2fe484 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4887A8B0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Depends what it is and how much there is. Half a metre or more isn't an offcut, so that stays in the scraps box(es) to be used for corsets, etc. Smaller pieces of nice linens (pretty colours or patterns) goes into the trimming linen drawers - likewise with silks - they're used for things like edging of tunics and corsets, or facing pocket flaps, or making buttons. Occasionally larger pieces that I'm really never going to use get ebayed. Other stuff gets put into bin bags and given away to whomever wants it and is willing to collect it (bin liners full are a bit tricky to carry on the bus!) - often schools and brownies and charity groups - for crafty stuff. D In a message dated 23/07/2008 21:28:05 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. I have a bunch of high-quality upholstry reminants and samples. I have tons of linen off-cuts (actually, fewer since I gave all the tiny bits to a paper-making friend), since everything I make these days seems to be flatlined. I have a good amount of wool in odd sizes, thanks to many trips to the local Pendleton outlet. I have no idea what to do with it all. I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Here's my breakdown, in descending order of fabric size: Doublet, for myself or my husband Jerken (sleeveless doublet; brocade)/liripipe (wool) Sleeves (used where contrasting sleeves are appropriate) Coif/caul flatlining for pickadills (linen only) I could probably insert tall hat between sleeves and caul, though I haven't made enough of them to say that I do it often. Curious what others do, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 19:42:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NNgMqk022472 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:42:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NNgHZK032115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NNfgoX026468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNfdpN004912; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNfbSP004882 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1547845ywe.71 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=FuDPXP2bunVQVyv4M+4/8I3H/6BTHKadrAXJbZhzcRg=; b=RxzbaQcYO+useNer0u8UUATSwiTb3eMXcYyU60qCQd7FEjmfsm1fjrkgw8IFY77eJf YN+JTrjixV7gErs6u/RDuwrgfJgvrg0OfyDtbt9jL5ZrcFzjz+TxSkPTAVntyWVY9siQ 2GvtoXvpzxR7NUHIpcGQfGt7faY6By/xjytkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KQaBdfdj+esjW2W+igTDwcbzeiSEms/o8Td2w8lUiQf0VoefcSBVA+wEcLrEM5stYs aEMBX9JzHt+VQImaSt6DxD59LZywCj1o8LHrxWDDA3XdFmzPVNh8wbk1DMtWevJYbi7G vjco2DKO4liNmLGDulz9Tipwok5eTHUSIfwQ8= Received: by 10.150.124.2 with SMTP id w2mr406771ybc.170.1216856497293; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.46.3 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:41:37 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccfc0cb6-ef39-4b75-99cb-49f521d3b2e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4887C1D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and have found myself wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful. ... >I'm curious how other people on this list use smaller pieces of fabric. I'll admit it, I'm looking to steal ideas. Since most of the fabrics are brocades and damasks, I have a strongly 16th Century inclination. I'd love to see uses in other periods for other fabrics. Emma, I'm a quilter when I'm not a costumer or a miliner. Cotton quilts, wool scrap over the back of the couch quilts, silk crazy quilts... if it's too small for a hat lining. I'm working on quilt #43 now. For some reason, all the linen gets used up. so no linen quilts. Fun question! --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 19:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NNoG9x022738 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:50:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NNoB9Q022733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NNnv76026849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNnvK6009742; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNnsQ7009715 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A54F3BBE1 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:49:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e0eac65-dba5-4452-a70c-cbf60a214e4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4887C3B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:50:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 19:51:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6NNpKFb022786 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:51:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NNpEeQ010871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6NNp0hn026898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNp0uv010364; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NNovkc010337 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2716B3BAB6 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48bd507f-2334-423a-aa71-fd839bc0bbd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4887C3F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:51:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Adding to the list, cloth covered buttons, removable sleeves, http://tinyurl.com/282tcs http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/BordoneBambino.jpg Italian patchwork sleeves, http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Licinio1524.JPG http://tinyurl.com/6e5k7m Landesknecht,(like hosen) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._026.jpg as was suggested, trim http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/IsottaBrembatiGrumelli.jpg http://tinyurl.com/6mxzq2 forepart http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Lavinia1560.jpg dress http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lorenzo_Lotto_046.jpg If is the Society for Creative Anachronism, there is always pouches needed for largess. De -----Original Message----- Well, depending on what it is and how big it is-- charcloth trim pieced hose pouches pin holders (I have lots of scraps of wool melton full of pins) patches hoods more pouches shoes coifs http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 20:02:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6O02AJu023262 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6O025Bi027735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6O01o7E027400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O01oR9016799; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6O01kJQ016707 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 4949 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 00:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:01:40 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c8ed28$dac1fc40$940d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjtHtumEwX9VMIiQpWuOKnXnVyFQwACa2Qg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cf821d4-cb8a-4773-9291-334682740aad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4887C67D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Looks like one to me too - the "I Am A Queen" sort, complete with ermine and a cloak to match. Catherine's pretty popular. A quick google image search also shows her in an Italian gown, a couple more variations on a sideless, a couple variations on Ye Olde Tyme Robes, and a Carravaggio where she looks like she's about to go "wench" at the Renn Faire.... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] odd outfit http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 20:34:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6O0YZvG024370 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:34:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6O0YUVa017381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:34:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6O0Wqek029177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O0WqxV037347; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/yq93Fe+7zM9UoRY6VtDGYZ31uUdIP1VE@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O0WnXT037314 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6O0Wldn017336 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:32:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 3005 invoked by uid 80); 24 Jul 2008 00:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.200) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2008 00:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4887CDAF.8030102@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:32:47 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24c63081-0934-4396-9d38-666bbcf5f01c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4887CE16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO otsisto wrote: > http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547 > At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. > Click on the picture to get to the zoom. > Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? She is wearing a fantasy creation that combines the most recognizable elements of the sideless surcote (which was traditionally used for St. Catherine but is by now a century out of date) with a hodgepodge of elements of more recent styles. The dress most definitely never existed. This one will have to go into my collection of "weird Catherines." I have a lot of those. The same artist did multiple Catherines. Compare the Minneapolis example with this one at the Philadelphia Museum of art, likely painted a decade or more earlier: http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/102091.html?mulR=26001 He did a lot of other paintings of female saints, too -- it was a specialty of his, apparently -- and I'm sure he mixed and matched elements repeatedly. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 23 21:57:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6O1vs7Z027061 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:57:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6O1vmXN019259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:57:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6O1vBLH033384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O1v7xI085683; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6O1v373085571 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4509 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2008 01:56:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=H8dpEIxQPvmYIuef/8O2+eGn1TPjTpE/kYTyBm1uNWGKEyp40mGNChoODqTWi8/q0cCL5PoPhtZj0oNzZAbugNvXHF5VbFdkG47SNRaaU/gmrE0v0fZBy6OVLnZZ2Dv2uCVZucFBR2aGXsTCNnTj0H1T4dHZ/gEGv1raGPDku0o=; Received: from [70.130.252.227] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:56:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60739.4477.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd418e05-1a70-4d1b-879b-42336396ac0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4887E19C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:57:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and > have found myself > wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful This is why I have a kid. If it's not clothes for her then toys. A friend gave us a bunch of bean bags made from many different small bits of odd fabric. Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 00:02:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6O42GV0031768 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:02:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6O42Ap6021050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6O41jc4039553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O41gZZ075930; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O41dNN075896 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA85654E73 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:01:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:01:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <4887CDAF.8030102@netherton.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c3f2ad4-c4f9-43e4-8267-435eedd140b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4887FEC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:02:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- otsisto wrote: > http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547 Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6O6cWO1022376 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:38:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6O6cOpF015759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6O6Wi8H045732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O6WgHI058977; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX184lqdANiuJfJ4DJGolcjUiToj1wvYPYgg@mail40.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6O6Wd9l058934 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6O6WcHd021834 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:32:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 24669 invoked by uid 80); 24 Jul 2008 06:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.200) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2008 06:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <48882205.7050607@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:32:37 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42884d7e-84c1-40f7-931f-67587336d587 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48882360.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:38:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO otsisto wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > otsisto wrote: >> http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547 > > elements of the sideless surcote (which was traditionally used for St. > Catherine but is by now a century out of date) with a hodgepodge of elements > of more recent > styles. The dress most definitely never existed. > > This one will have to go into my collection of "weird Catherines." I have a > lot of those. > > The same artist did multiple Catherines. Compare the Minneapolis example > with this one at the Philadelphia Museum of art, likely painted a decade or > more earlier: > http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/102091.html?mulR=26001 > He did a lot of other paintings of female saints, too -- it was a specialty > of his, apparently -- and I'm sure he mixed and matched elements repeatedly. > --Robin > What threw me off is that the front, because of the "chains"? looks like a > wide front Burgundian. The belt is similar the belts worn with the wide lace > front. The wide front opening and the belt are two of the elements the artist picked up from contemporary fashion and threw in the blender here. The wide opening seems to be used in art of this place/time in certain contexts, such as adolescent girls, certain young female saints, and other youthful or nubile-seeming females. I wouldn't use this to document the use of the wide front opening in routine wear for noblewomen, never mind the combination of this front opening with other elements of the dress. I personally would read the horizontal lines as braided lacing rather than chains, but in this context, it could be anything. I'd have to see the painting to get a better idea. Again, whatever it is, it is not a reliable source for what was actually worn. Basically, when you deal with an image like this, by the time you figure out which elements are real (by comparing with more reliable sources), you have enough other, better examples in hand. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 07:31:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OBVQXU003761 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:31:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OBVLSW030303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:31:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OBQl56057391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OBQhus037833; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OBQcX7037701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 114-30-118-12.ip.adam.com.au ([114.30.118.12] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KLyxr-000Lrx-Vc for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:32 +0930 Message-ID: <003901c8ed80$1b45b890$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:24 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] modest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d02e37cc-a4ba-423b-97f3-6cd8147630b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48886809.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:31:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:49 +0200 From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" Subject: [h-cost] modest To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is there an english term of a piece of clothing called a modest? In a danish inventory there is the term of modester in plural, have never heard that word before. Its inventories from 1720 and 1730. Bjarne You know I'm sure I've heard the term 'modester' in an English costume context, but I really can't think where. It just rings bells. Is it possible the term uses 'mode' in the sense of fashion eg wasn't 'modiste' an 18th term for a women's tailor or seamstress? Claire/Angharad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 08:09:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OC9MIb010493 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:09:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OC9GXE005635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:09:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OC51SJ059358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OC50Pl064385; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OC4wLn064267 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W21 ([64.4.19.121]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:04:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:04:53 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002d01c8eca0$60ffabb0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487578934BA7@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <002d01c8eca0$60ffabb0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 12:04:53.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B54D6D0:01C8ED85] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80eb2c02-c9db-4432-b06d-5033234a22c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488870EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:09:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, it's been a while since I did work in the Renaissance era. I know it's not a belt but couldn't remember exactly what it was called. It was late and I was tired. I'm starting back into the era. I'm starting a new garb set for an upcoming Ren Faire event. I'll have to pull out my books and read up on the ins and outs of the period.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: sharon@collierfam.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:44:54 -0700> Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood> > Belt part---> Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs> down center front? > > -----Original Message-----> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On> Behalf Of Kate M Bunting> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood> > > > Becky Rautine wrote:> > > >Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an> >official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2> >necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't> >think of what ! it's called right now.> > Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It> was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in> Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too> Catholic.> > Kate Bunting> Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian,> University of Derby> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 08:10:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OCAZcN010536 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:10:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OCAR2f006310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OC8ESH059535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OC8Ef5066756; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OC8Bq8066657 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W31 ([64.4.19.131]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:08:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:08:06 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c8ecf8$50c9dbf0$6a14a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <002301c8ecf8$50c9dbf0$6a14a150@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 12:08:06.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE7075C0:01C8ED85] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31f599c2-2634-4b15-9296-e6d147b5fc24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48887133.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What are the gold parts on your design? It looks ornate so far. Form your past work, it will be magnificant. Keep us posted as to it's completion.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:20 +0200> Subject: [h-cost] renaissance headwear> > I was allowed to show my headdress after all, not the pattern til later, but you can get an idea how it looks like in shape!> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm> I have started the pearl decoration, and it gets quite heavy, so i have interlined with a heavy linnen. Its freshwater pearls and gold pearl purl, gold spangels for decoration...........> > Bjarne> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 08:13:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OCDgnI010646 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:13:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OCDWeo002446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:13:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OCB5Ex059668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OCB5mV068731; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OCB1Oo068613 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:10:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:10:56 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002d01c8eca0$60ffabb0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487578934BA7@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <002d01c8eca0$60ffabb0$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 12:10:55.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[5350E470:01C8ED86] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc984f1d-b9ae-4ecb-b166-aacce199e95c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488871EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I looked back at the photos. She is wearing a necklace that lies on her chest, one that hangs from her shoulders and the girdle. The middle one is the one that looks like an office insignia. That's the one I meant. The smaller necklace and the insignia one have S on them.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: sharon@collierfam.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:44:54 -0700> Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood> > Belt part---> Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs> down center front? > > -----Original Message-----> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On> Behalf Of Kate M Bunting> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood> > > > Becky Rautine wrote:> > > >Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an> >official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the perso! n wears 2> >necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't> >think of what it's called right now.> > Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It> was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in> Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too> Catholic.> > Kate Bunting> Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian,> University of Derby> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 08:22:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OCMJPV010962 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OCMDNv007393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:22:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OCJwWK060065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OCJwvB075125; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OCJt30075034 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W33 ([64.4.19.133]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:19:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:19:49 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 12:19:49.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[91859DC0:01C8ED87] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddf22d69-a62b-470f-a230-80c674a149df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488873F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:22:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't think it is a sideless due to the conformaty of the front. It wouldn't lie so snug if not held against her breast. I think the light area is the fabric reflecting the light, or just a bad spot in the painting. Paint was mixed one area at a time then and it was easy to have inconsistant color values. They didn't have Sherman Williams to get a gallon of paint the same color. Also I don't think a saint would be allowed to be painted without modesty and respect. Cleavage was fine but not uncovered breasts on a saint. She is wearing the long sleeves of a shiny material. I'd guess that the side is made of that same material. The side is plain and not as ornate as the front. On this same image, can anyone tell me the meaning of the stones used during the Byzantine period? I know it has something to do with the Early Christian/Byzantine church being centered in Constantinople/Istanbul. Most everything was steeped in meaning or relation to the area. I did research on this era while in school, but can't remember the specifics of their meaning. Later times copied the Byzantine styles for elegance and luxury in the use of jewels.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:10 -0500> Subject: [h-cost] odd outfit> > http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12&id=547> At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless.> Click on the picture to get to the zoom.> Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing?> > De> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 09:29:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ODThPV014602 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:29:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ODTXN7030332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ODR980064069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODR6NU029722; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODR3sI029530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:28:46 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:28:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming Thread-Index: AcjtMO1bmiA7FXv9TPO7FDQS8bE7UAAYDsoQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA116C726D@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <60739.4477.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <60739.4477.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60baf5a1-57b5-4886-a8b8-5cf3273fae14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488883BD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:29:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You could make little juggling balls, too. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fabric use brainstorming > I've been cleaning/reorganizing my sewing area, and > have found myself > wondering just how small a piece of fabric is useful This is why I have a kid. If it's not clothes for her then toys. A friend gave us a bunch of bean bags made from many different small bits of odd fabric. Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 09:55:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ODtuiw016222 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:55:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ODtk37030571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:55:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ODrZR9065894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODrZII053209; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODrW97053150 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tnBz1Z0040EPchoA9ptYCu; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:32 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tptX1Z0093Nwo3Q8MptXCW; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=QrlOIc7A79Pp-VMctEAA:9 a=dKVCz6k8MNKmDHRgll0A:9 a=1qbuEtpnZv3Xq8aRsiUhhg1lqHAA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=zdSO3Nf9-1XVrTA7PhoA:9 a=OCsun_brjwTVjnyv7V8A:9 a=A6tjFsR_BqSVdJ12Ykqtf-M59tEA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:29 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:29 +0000 Message-Id: <072420081353.27795.488889590004E00700006C9322073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Cc: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] modest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1927c128-1fea-4dc5-b454-9a75c18ed63e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488889E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The neck-handkerchief of 18th-century women's fashion at some point in the 19th began to be called a "modesty piece". The term still gets applied occasionally to a triangle of fabric inserted in a low V neckline to conceal the cleavage. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Claire Clarke" > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:49 +0200 > From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] modest > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is there an english term of a piece of clothing called a modest? > In a danish inventory there is the term of modester in plural, have never > heard that word before. Its inventories from 1720 and 1730. > > Bjarne > > You know I'm sure I've heard the term 'modester' in an English costume > context, but I really can't think where. It just rings bells. > > Is it possible the term uses 'mode' in the sense of fashion eg wasn't > 'modiste' > an 18th term for a women's tailor or seamstress? > > Claire/Angharad > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 09:59:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6ODxNYR016351 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:59:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6ODxGqc006803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6ODt372066037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODt3Mi054414; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ODrb6T053151 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tmG41Z0060EPchoA5ptYAj; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:32 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tptX1Z0093Nwo3Q8MptXCW; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=QrlOIc7A79Pp-VMctEAA:9 a=dKVCz6k8MNKmDHRgll0A:9 a=1qbuEtpnZv3Xq8aRsiUhhg1lqHAA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=zdSO3Nf9-1XVrTA7PhoA:9 a=OCsun_brjwTVjnyv7V8A:9 a=A6tjFsR_BqSVdJ12Ykqtf-M59tEA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:29 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:29 +0000 Message-Id: <072420081353.27795.488889590004E00700006C9322073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Cc: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] modest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9dbc3144-c364-49cc-aaad-1309a7ebe184 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48888AB5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The neck-handkerchief of 18th-century women's fashion at some point in the 19th began to be called a "modesty piece". The term still gets applied occasionally to a triangle of fabric inserted in a low V neckline to conceal the cleavage. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Claire Clarke" > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:30:49 +0200 > From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] modest > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <001201c8ea96$bcd81190$a8e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is there an english term of a piece of clothing called a modest? > In a danish inventory there is the term of modester in plural, have never > heard that word before. Its inventories from 1720 and 1730. > > Bjarne > > You know I'm sure I've heard the term 'modester' in an English costume > context, but I really can't think where. It just rings bells. > > Is it possible the term uses 'mode' in the sense of fashion eg wasn't > 'modiste' > an 18th term for a women's tailor or seamstress? > > Claire/Angharad > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 12:38:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OGcDE5025534 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OGc7lh001136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OGbb7I079478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OGbYBN017216; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18IzV51tRKvhrwYjJu3x1u7zBNTp6UpRgU@mail45.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OGbW0s017184 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6OGbV92004986 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:37:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 1318 invoked by uid 80); 24 Jul 2008 16:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2008 16:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4888AFC9.4080607@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:37:29 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c5b6d2e-cd37-4066-8b99-091300bf4377 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4888AFEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Becky Rautine wrote: > I don't think it is a sideless due to the conformaty of the front. It wouldn't lie so snug if not held against her breast. I think the light area is the fabric reflecting the light, or just a bad spot in the painting. Paint was mixed one area at a time then and it was easy to have inconsistant color values. They didn't have Sherman Williams to get a gallon of paint the same color. Also I don't think a saint would be allowed to be painted without modesty and respect. Cleavage was fine but not uncovered breasts on a saint. De wasn't suggesting there was no fabric on the sides, or that any skin was showing. By "sideless," she was using a shorthand term for "sideless surcote," which was a style of overdress rather like an (American) jumper dress, with large armholes that reveal a separate dress, typically close-fitted, worn beneath it. If this were a real sideless surcote, that would have been the underdress showing at the sides. It's clear that the sleeves and the sides are of the same fabric. In this case, as De recognized, this was not a normal sideless surcote. The artist used the contemporary style of a front-opening gown and tweaked it visually to evoke the recognizable and distinctive lines of the sideless surcote, which was tightly associated with Catherine's iconographic representation at that time. The resulting (nonexistent) garment makes no sense from a construction standpoint (the layering gets all fouled up, and it's not clear what parts would be underdress, overdress, or all the same layer), but the image has the visual cues that signal "Catherine." (Can't help you on the Byzantine jewels, sorry, but you might want to post that question separately under a new subject line.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 16:16:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OKG2sQ006013 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:16:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OKFqEg007189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OKF0G7098868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OKEg5X058829; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6OKEd9O058654 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 11976 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 20:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:14:32 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c8edd2$4a7202c0$a60d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjth7TQTH0YKz4FS2+KSHZF5l312AASZmog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3c9527d-e633-464f-b018-7e9b4dff557d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4888E2F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just as an aside, you can't count on no nekkidness for saints - there are a number of images of the Virgin in the western tradition in which one breast is bared, a couple of Mary Magdalene in which she wears little more than hair (and she's always red-headed!) and a couple of the early virgin saints offering their severed breasts on a platter. As a contrast, in classic eastern iconography, the only female saint I can think of whose hair even SHOWS is Mary of Egypt, who repented her sins and ran away into the desert, where she lived naked for 20? 50? years. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Rautine Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd outfit <<<<>>>>> paint the same color. Also I don't think a saint would be allowed to be painted without modesty and respect. Cleavage was fine but not uncovered breasts on a saint. She is wearing the long sleeves of a shiny material. I'd guess that the side is made of that same material. The side is plain and not as ornate as the front. On this same image, can anyone tell me the meaning of the stones used during the Byzantine period? I know it has something to do with the Early Christian/Byzantine church being centered in Constantinople/Istanbul. Most everything was steeped in meaning or relation to the area. I did research on this era while in school, but can't remember the specifics of their meaning. Later times copied the Byzantine styles for elegance and luxury in the use of jewels.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:10 - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 17:19:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OLJnnM010716 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OLJhIu026365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OLJJfA004024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OLJHZe020343; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OLJECL020201 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tseA1Z00816LCl057xK9iv; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:09 +0000 Received: from Desktop2004 ([68.54.9.232]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id txK91Z00150Nm3o3SxK9US; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xWmAEdtbBhWjXG8EF7UA:9 a=fgr3S_ZRIjt0sxZk2QQA:9 a=XgdwWArXoZirFyk1x6hIZyMbN0UA:4 a=1_VmK7FXdFwA:10 From: "Joan Mielke" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:09 -0600 Message-ID: <05DF20A9E10A4B199DE5E222602262EF@Desktop2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Acjt0uk6y+eUS4+fRB+tptmM64mVdA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b36e23-0523-4b2e-a730-56092e149628 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4888F1EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin wrote "...visually to evoke the recognizable and distinctive lines of the sideless surcote, which was tightly associated with Catherine's iconographic representation at that time. ...the image has the visual cues that signal "Catherine." What are the associated images/icons for Catherine for this time period? I was thinking Byzantine Catherine. Is this the same St. Catherine, or is this a different saint? Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 17:35:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OLZpeH011567 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OLZjGG023743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OLZRch005169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OLZQm3034706; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+HpBVX/z6keP0I1UQarjNtbj16gWJvYdQ@mail44.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OLZN9h034632 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6OLZLEY003888 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 19047 invoked by uid 80); 24 Jul 2008 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 24 Jul 2008 21:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4888F599.3000702@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:35:21 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <05DF20A9E10A4B199DE5E222602262EF@Desktop2004> In-Reply-To: <05DF20A9E10A4B199DE5E222602262EF@Desktop2004> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 896f5703-0950-41d9-823c-e33aba0c0761 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4888F5B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan Mielke wrote: > Robin wrote "...visually to evoke the recognizable and distinctive lines of > the sideless surcote, which was tightly associated with Catherine's > iconographic representation at that time. ...the image has the visual cues > that signal "Catherine." > > What are the associated images/icons for Catherine for this time period? I > was thinking Byzantine Catherine. Is this the same St. Catherine, or is > this a different saint? Catherine of Alexandria, probably the third most popular female saint of the Middle Ages (after the Virgin and Mary Magdalene). I do not know about Byzantine iconography, which tends to differ from Western Christian, but in Western art she is typically shown with a crown and/or a wheel and/or a sword. The wheel was the instrument with which she was tortured, and the sword her means of martyrdom. As a martyr, she might carry a palm frond. As a virgin martyr and princess, she typically has her hair down and is dressed richly, as a queen. She might also be trampling a certain pagan king underfoot. Some later artists conflated her image with that of Catherine of Siena, and thus show Catherine of Alexandria in the "mystic marriage" that is part of Catherine of Siena's legend. --Robin collector of Catherines _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 17:47:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6OLlvXp012834 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:47:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OLlqrn009711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6OLldWD006069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OLlbJP046289; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6OLlX1T046160 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 18332 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 21:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:47:24 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:47:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c8eddf$43302de0$a60d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <4888F599.3000702@netherton.net> thread-index: Acjt1UMfhi+vG3MQRq2bmR1god4LVAACWM2A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Odd outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e903150a-7e26-4a27-9568-50d633ac8234 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4888F888.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:47:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In Byz iconography, she is usually shown in a very ornate Byzantine robe and crowned, much bejeweled, holding a cross (the Orthodox symbol of martyrdom). The wheel/sword is not often shown in classic icons. Her hair is usually "properly" covered (you'll see very very little hair on Byz female saints), though she often wears it in a crispine-type net instead of under a veil. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Odd outfit Joan Mielke wrote: > Robin wrote "...visually to evoke the recognizable and distinctive lines of > the sideless surcote, which was tightly associated with Catherine's > iconographic representation at that time. ...the image has the visual cues > that signal "Catherine." > > What are the associated images/icons for Catherine for this time period? I > was thinking Byzantine Catherine. Is this the same St. Catherine, or is > this a different saint? Catherine of Alexandria, probably the third most popular female saint of the Middle Ages (after the Virgin and Mary Magdalene). I do not know about Byzantine iconography, which tends to differ from Western Christian, but in Western art she is typically shown with a crown and/or a wheel and/or a sword. The wheel was the instrument with which she was tortured, and the sword her means of martyrdom. As a martyr, she might carry a palm frond. As a virgin martyr and princess, she typically has her hair down and is dressed richly, as a queen. She might also be trampling a certain pagan king underfoot. Some later artists conflated her image with that of Catherine of Siena, and thus show Catherine of Alexandria in the "mystic marriage" that is part of Catherine of Siena's legend. --Robin collector of Catherines _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 20:38:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6P0cCck024150 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6P0c70o028330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6P0bWPo016948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P0bSli078154; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P0bQas078138 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2747921rvb.11 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:37:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=i7q/H92qo2oLTCGg5iJV+ZFb9/4d0KQBl0kttkX3rUQ=; b=Wtc3+2siDMvMgbVaoSEUMSPIcMGTPqejPjUcnMCCyMBVVQvdbq2zCwr7NBnX+jMDaG HJzHAGw+InccY2xI0GRtsevh6at8DfFKhtix0Ros+FVmX4Fh97ZTfAASbXnBHY48Wjmc jS+SddGDe/5B4a8jBCo3Z+96QMAP7uK0Y611M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; b=aRZ301W6IvsX5oG3ItSVnstJGWggoVh6r1wlmlS9WEWaLkU3/YqOCsZK/ykc6mbrf8 efuYrazp1UgzQduFps3DhepTVW1MtV4WaKRonGnxP4FLWSxK4udK5y2jHb2hE5Ofh456 VUpSvGrBrYoVFpQmiJJ+CyloveoyqRX9Ng5FI= Received: by 10.140.193.16 with SMTP id q16mr553238rvf.109.1216946246744; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [67.160.37.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm5990981rvb.5.2008.07.24.17.37.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:37:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjtp1It0iwrVLkYQnyHpQlR+4uKlwARxjpw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <48892045.2a528c0a.3ec4.ffffde2f@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume Institute Appointments Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0cec52c-5c8e-4786-83c3-fb337d03976e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4889206F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:38:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Did anyone else get this? Chiara Francesca > -----Original Message----- > From: Koda, Harold [mailto:harold.koda@metmuseum.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM > Subject: Costume Institute Appointments Update > > July 24, 2008 > > > Dear Colleague: > > Since its founding in 1937, The Costume Institute at The Metropolitan > Museum of Art > has become an invaluable resource of knowledge to a world-wide > audience. In pursuing > our responsibility to ensure its integrity and preservation for future > generations, the > Museum is commencing a detailed survey of the Collection to address > conservation > and storage issues. > > Over the next several years until this project is completed, > appointments in our > Collection, Conservation, and Library will be limited. In addition, > while all current > loan commitments will be fulfilled, a temporary moratorium on loans > will begin as > of July 2008. > > We regret any inconvenience this may cause. Qualified researchers are > encouraged > to explore the resources of New York City's other costume institutions > and libraries including the Metropolitan Museum's Thomas J. Watson > Library. > > If you have any questions we will be pleased to advise you. Please > contact us at > 212-570-3908. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:20:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's next weekend! I know I'm going, also LynnD, Regina, and Kimiko. Anyone else? Maybe we should mark our badges with a big red H, or something. MaggiRos ___ Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 23:09:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6P391c7032177 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:09:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6P38uuT009157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6P38bZh024422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P38bou077635; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P38ZeQ077616 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2792370rvb.11 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:08:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=m4oVFmbX9hpDvv87jjvXEeFVhd8n8A53++qxoFxx5Ug=; b=J7WOGTWfZnOpYXDhw+reKx9cWmJEEP7f4EDLckTdudeSGffSPUmPxZuB3v6VDDY3o0 okKDugvMw1NL3Gc1M9pbELO0sEa3iQk+XPj2M0IW0QJaIZ4eiJCOOjEcrfKRLpblAvBo RXZ4TqTZHIgU11eDdSH98t1D1FrEGcCLOpPFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=l3pBJPYHOx7qoEiYWFTag9e+b6SX2eZU1mRvKQR6eGVlfdjSNOSXYcOjeyCC+diA3I acZoH6U1relVz1IFMS6pHy8/Wf3qKNfSBfbf2Djz1OtSmvdWqAxGEv4pFOGcyWWObeQX oBCJeT2PvywjzQ6T82TiM/YvctF94rmpUHQEI= Received: by 10.114.132.5 with SMTP id f5mr1388400wad.125.1216955314974; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.15.1 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0807242008p48df3e43u8b56618ec3bc7a86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:08:34 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a4cd87f-e2cf-4c36-b699-6523559ef64e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488943C8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:09:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like a plan. We've done that before. I'm also going to wear my GBACG pin and my CGW ribbon. You'll barely be able to see my name on the nametag. I know of several people from Northern California and the GBACG who will attend. See ya thereQ LynnD On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Maggie wrote: > It's next weekend! I know I'm going, also LynnD, Regina, and Kimiko. Anyone > else? Maybe we should mark our badges with a big red H, or something. > > MaggiRos > > ___ > Maggie Secara > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 24 23:16:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6P3Gs5S032685 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:16:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6P3GdBr020599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6P3GS0M024920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P3GScC082569; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6P3GNKV082478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathleen@hanrahan.org) Received: from [172.16.0.10] ([166.128.125.24]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v9.1.4.1) with ASMTP (SSL) id FKP52917 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <4889457C.4070401@hanrahan.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:16:12 -0500 From: Kathleen Hanrahan Organization: homenode group, inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f78aa401-79fe-46c3-8a18-df0def9e1567 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48894597.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kathleen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIiUV7l1I2MRCAstYRAq+oAKCIKi3D62mrqZQ1d4e3KKpiHMBQFgCfUFci iteAzIanqMrT3ALsUTwMDGE= =+dgH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 25 14:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6PId2SB005017 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:39:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6PIcurY007897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6PIcWBB085428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6PIcQ4P007098; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6PIcPjo007066 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so490357hsz.15 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Qk/pnF8jqyO22uAT8TmDUOZIgGgYHlSuHeTWO52EqUM=; b=FYEkeX65weoDW6T34qO1eAlm20x4XelYwBZwwaaiEeQIzWQMNurfPqcVUkCnc7ReYE DKVAVkKmEp02gqL6cQN/UTosn1rgiZ5Q5BhfPLYj8BeksjHextXuFheAjgh1KFaqFFt4 OcleVcG3BFQcZXyOThBkKX5BFz97XsQ39h4fA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LcQVW873d65IJ/wD14lNaXCiPKacNlTgcjDvHb8D3I2+gl5V+nH5v2VqLJ8zGENdZT ccDBGuqCRXJt8saF8qNvFpDSvqDY/3xKib4Gq+XjWP6tXd9sKt4BuLbNc/ccjZHstBej S/hqbzw21My9lYh8nTl98bGbVr7mFd1QGjjks= Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr577828anc.146.1217011104709; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.46.3 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:38:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Gen Con in Indy (was: Costume College) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e57dc41f-e204-438a-ac1d-71afbed92921 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488A1DC0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hve fun at College, ladies! Gen Con happens the week after. Is anyone going besides Dawn & I? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > Subject: [h-cost] Costume College > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It's next weekend! I know I'm going, also LynnD, Regina, and Kimiko. Anyone > else? Maybe we should mark our badges with a big red H, or something. > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 25 21:54:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6Q1s62x023169 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6Q1s03e021228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:54:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6Q1raQo013590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6Q1rXiU045341; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6Q1rVFu045317 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so925169anc.85 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=4zrNhJbYhhG5Ia9YL7k5So1Po4NrhCALtF3rUeAPf6s=; b=lfI5xErBiK8MMYGqF+2COMHxTt8v+fdRtFnwND9Fh2NcbgK2qSDGnDeN679gLhIdEk qckB9XFRoVZ8XxTKrHZSjxXM+INT2AWYd5/b+lqq6CV0uIR4rWTTkFy6kYwfYoR07oJR /CD1DTZQMKzFOs8SZEOXB3YkcopIMqn4BXokY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VgAEhxDG9IVR1xnL9JRTPIV4urBGbOuJ5I6ptygzYgoZzl9Hcogp0HxXyxnp9axsBc xjDmsf62q5D1vCrR9D4zX4Wa6HrJeQ/eAoSEN7cuqwjByehZuPyiA9FbjjX25w2gi0cb Bvzl/Tgnd/OUVKitFrcTGjhuMWGBA9gzmvuHQ= Received: by 10.100.125.12 with SMTP id x12mr4134840anc.159.1217037210698; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:30 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46985162-9233-4cbc-94d5-155c07505695 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488A83B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I know I'm going, also LynnD, Regina, and Kimiko. Anyone else? Maybe we should mark our badges with a big red H, or something. MaggiRos ___ Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 16:38:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6QKcFY3022243 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:38:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6QKcAbS004525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QKbejG060755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QKbZES024409; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QKbYgB024391 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so3019025wra.23 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=1oIpxO/z7QR4BY7l13E7F/57s+X4vKkp8W9TJmIqoYM=; b=Im/pnseLwY8BLpP6xr/1tubkQrDPyM4M/J7NzmPZKrSn5hpB8hYQiManU1p3TQLxn9 m+p96rpnpDL/meKPfTb9gPyQ2l7JlIOvUTeiozZVDonwjji3EQSOPQDuj0nSCn3J/i1j D9rR6AeOxwV0Ft6wtkf3uV2ESVT1pZ4S0spKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dsPM3gIMpDCDEad9Ng0fLx54n+M3AVlbG8tfQ0tDWYdkHyotQmQca8/sCZ2AAmheqX a0xSAfWCcEJJ4OaudfMkRdhIFcVW9ujeZ4g7bJWK86DN1eSJjKJNG3Q4Oo0tGErGNMuQ ntO+yzlroHGBDDWLFu0DaHza7QdI1FN9EDcz0= Received: by 10.90.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr4486179agb.104.1217104654024; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.46.3 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:37:34 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0adabbe6-a8f4-4d25-8b66-93939d3da34e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488B8B32.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages 10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out of town are also accessible. Got any great suggestions? Got any "out there" suggestions? Thanks for the help, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 16:43:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6QKhIut022632 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:43:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6QKhCm3007223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:43:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QKgvY8060922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QKgvkj027810; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QKgr5k027719 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6765E1344E2 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:42:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <488B9A42.6030502@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:42:26 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Jester's outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce4ba391-657d-41d7-a855-c0c4fd7fd21e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488B8C60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 17:50:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6QLo484026024 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:50:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6QLnwqf015535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QLnZNf064696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QLnYsH079789; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QLnVLA079579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-102-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.102.11]:1537 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KMrdm-0001kr-45 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43137eb0-27c2-46ad-b642-2a0e683e5a32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488B9C06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:50:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 21:37 26/07/2008, you wrote: >Ladies & Gents, >H-costume archives doesnt have much on this question, so I'll pose it >directly: What's to do in Amsterdam & nearby? > >I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit >after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an >extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic >costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and >including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just >wearable stuff: castles, living history events. > >My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of >the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a >wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. > >If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages >10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out >of town are also accessible. > >Got any great suggestions? >Got any "out there" suggestions? >Thanks for the help, >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com It's a very long time since I was in Amsterdam, but the city itself is walkable if you are fit and healthy - mostly flat. Most people travel by bike or by tram(?). The Rijksmuseum is one of the great museums of the Western world. I saw nowhere near a 10th of it I think. They have an excellent zoo, and somewhere near, there are, I believe, diamond cutting demonstrations. (And of course there is the "Red Light" district, but I think they have toned down the area!) Best I can do, I'm afraid. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 18:22:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6QMMdEC027417 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:22:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6QMMX8i008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QMMCKZ066200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QMMCRO003132; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QMMBNa003113 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1000532ana.65 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=E99xvWauNKPQSB47BpyfvXyJVU+ajE2FPI9c5DS+7/s=; b=PXWC9GMkTRySWIM+Ap7AdNTDMyl6GI/rRE46fn5OBVAUwJhyb0YtpZFJXtZounACKu mnEhDKw1MZ5UeGQyZ4TqnINUsS2JULyu9PO1H2N5647LfQJbhRPtuPWA3SKd0rggQKQf 9F9Mf8icwRfW6LbFvKUZ02hJRZ4CXdzaKm8sA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Zb/qNf8lv1tSuGLhmnq1e/B8Vre6QF0C/FEOg0hjmW4Nr8pUaycXWjUS9awZH+cefA 2cS4YV1YHzVb3+B9+COEU5D8EmCYLZ7hLuG8N0F7YTR0aijvznqfPtPth9/CTgv/B0+t s+kslYyyjkhjftUGhC7XhHKLtMlGJZesWVDtM= Received: by 10.100.120.15 with SMTP id s15mr2474735anc.150.1217110930833; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] OT: Compendium for everyone X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14b07aca-aa37-4b3f-997c-5ea858cc4aad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488BA3A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:22:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well for Canadians at least. You can now buy A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 at http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108/ Huzzah! US readers are better off going to Barnesandnoble.com where they actually are stocking the title, while at amazon.com (although it has the best review :) still says Out Of Stock. It's also on the amazon pages in the UK, Germany, France and even Japan (!) but they still say it's out of stock. I'm going to look into that this week. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion., MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 19:06:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6QN6dPq029308 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:06:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6QN6XMQ030225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QN63Ls067884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QN62sr028587; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QN5xSZ028515 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K4M0017BYTMNSD0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:05:41 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56fb5ac0-1dea-49b8-a8d8-2f936c7e57f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488BADFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Rijksmuseum (Rembrandt Museum) and Anne Frank's house are both must-see places in Amseredam. Also-- anyplace that sells chocolate and baked goods. However, beware of the damage to your waistline! Oh, yes, drugs are legal there, so be careful of where you bring children. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events At 21:37 26/07/2008, you wrote: >Ladies & Gents, >H-costume archives doesnt have much on this question, so I'll pose it >directly: What's to do in Amsterdam & nearby? > >I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit >after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an >extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic >costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and >including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just >wearable stuff: castles, living history events. > >My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of >the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a >wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. > >If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages >10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out >of town are also accessible. > >Got any great suggestions? >Got any "out there" suggestions? >Thanks for the help, >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com It's a very long time since I was in Amsterdam, but the city itself is walkable if you are fit and healthy - mostly flat. Most people travel by bike or by tram(?). The Rijksmuseum is one of the great museums of the Western world. I saw nowhere near a 10th of it I think. They have an excellent zoo, and somewhere near, there are, I believe, diamond cutting demonstrations. (And of course there is the "Red Light" district, but I think they have toned down the area!) Best I can do, I'm afraid. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 20:00:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6R00uI3031933 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:00:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6R00puP029962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6R00AdK069864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R007bU057217; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R0042Q057114 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W27 ([65.55.138.62]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:59:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.40] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:59:59 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2008 23:59:59.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[B622D0D0:01C8EF7B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63c195f5-8af5-4264-80b9-c3a65a6daf19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488BBAB3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Read this book http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/dunnett/niccolo/rising.html and take a trip to Brugge. It takes place there, and if you love historical fiction (and lots of characters and plot twists) you'll love it. There is a description of how the locks work (in the canals) and you can actually go there and see it take place...I there are some windmills there too. Brugge is cool just by itself, but also the home and chapel of Anselm Adorne is open to the public - beautiful and very interesting. Right next door is a lace museum. Sg > > > At 21:37 26/07/2008, you wrote: > >Ladies & Gents, > >H-costume archives doesnt have much on this question, so I'll pose it > >directly: What's to do in Amsterdam & nearby? > > > >I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit > >after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an > >extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic > >costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and > >including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just > >wearable stuff: castles, living history events. > > > >My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of > >the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a > >wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. > > > >If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages > >10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out > >of town are also accessible. > > > >Got any great suggestions? > >Got any "out there" suggestions? > >Thanks for the help, > >--cin > >Cynthia Barnes > >CinBarnes@gmail.com > > It's a very long time since I was in Amsterdam, but the city itself > is walkable if you are fit and healthy - mostly flat. Most people > travel by bike or by tram(?). > > The Rijksmuseum is one of the great museums of the Western world. I > saw nowhere near a 10th of it I think. They have an excellent zoo, > and somewhere near, there are, I believe, diamond cutting demonstrations. > > (And of course there is the "Red Light" district, but I think they > have toned down the area!) > > Best I can do, I'm afraid. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 26 21:51:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6R1pudi004450 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:51:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6R1ppov032144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6R1pOFd074916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R1pMG3015382; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18megGWU5jgrJJo3DtoTbpEbNXkf8eZY2U@mail44.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R1pIGA015344 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail44.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6R1pGk5030781 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:51:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 1582 invoked by uid 80); 27 Jul 2008 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 27 Jul 2008 01:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <488BD492.9030902@netherton.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:51:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b169ac16-4721-4c71-8d57-4197c6e2e3dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488BD4B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FB_GET_MEDS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Read this book http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/dunnett/niccolo/rising.html > and take a trip to Brugge. I love Brugge (Bruges) and would go back in an instant. I spent 10 days based there, and did five day-trips by train in that time (to Mechelen, Ghent, Antwerp, Brussels, and Tournai). I did not run out of things to see; I barely scratched the surface. It is a great place for a medievalist; you can't throw a rock without hitting something that's five centuries old. However, I wouldn't characterize Bruges as being a day trip from Amsterdam. Mapquest puts it at almost 3 hours by car. There's a lot of the Netherlands closer in that would justify a stop, including Dordrecht, 60 miles by road. (Dordrecht is home to Henk, a longtime h-cost member who is not on the list now, but would surely remember those who were around when he was, and perhaps could offer ideas if you write him directly.) Delft is only 40 miles from Amsterdam by road, and would be a good place to go if you are interested in Vermeer and his period. Haarlem is practically a suburb of Amsterdam at 12 miles. I think I would not have any trouble finding things to do in and around Amsterdam for a week or three! I cannot offer recommendations, though, as I have not had the opportunity and hope I will before I die, if only the dollar would get stronger. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 00:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6R4jIYM010922 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:45:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6R4jCDv021640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:45:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6R4itJD080970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R4iqsb098320; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R4im8l098284 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.15]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id EE736627839 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-64-237.phnx.qwest.net (HELO buddy) (130.13.64.237) by mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 04:44:47 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c8efa3$6f923660$0201a8c0@buddy> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080726224029.03abeb28@suziclarke.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcjvacN2iYUzZpyHTFOlQ/KNcOftXQAOYokQ X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 096f8567-b8b3-42a8-bb01-d3ed455af196 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488BFD59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:45:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's been many, many years, but I loved the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam. To this day, most of my favorite artworks are pieces that I saw there. For whatever it's worth. Laurie T. Phoenix -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events At 21:37 26/07/2008, you wrote: >Ladies & Gents, >H-costume archives doesnt have much on this question, so I'll pose it >directly: What's to do in Amsterdam & nearby? > >I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit >after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an >extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic >costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and >including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just >wearable stuff: castles, living history events. > >My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of >the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a >wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. > >If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages >10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out >of town are also accessible. > >Got any great suggestions? >Got any "out there" suggestions? >Thanks for the help, >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com It's a very long time since I was in Amsterdam, but the city itself is walkable if you are fit and healthy - mostly flat. Most people travel by bike or by tram(?). The Rijksmuseum is one of the great museums of the Western world. I saw nowhere near a 10th of it I think. They have an excellent zoo, and somewhere near, there are, I believe, diamond cutting demonstrations. (And of course there is the "Red Light" district, but I think they have toned down the area!) Best I can do, I'm afraid. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 09:09:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RD9TGN012641 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RD9N3Q026496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RD8nrm099271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RD8kkA057022; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6RD8h28056956 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEJ2628AKZCBKS for (sender ); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7pDmQjFpIxJ+cVUKVKqS1CFnAGYeYWq4UQ== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NQ4Y6LBH; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:07:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20080727.080617.2488.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,12-13 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2191444341 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gen Con in Indy (was: Costume College) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98dc7fa4-dd97-4e07-975b-0c79f8ae37d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488C7383.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Hve fun at College, ladies! > Gen Con happens the week after. Is anyone going besides Dawn & I? > --cin I'm going -- running 5 games, plus probably some demos over at the Cryptic Studios/Hero Games booth. No idea if I'll have time to get together with anyone. With the convention center remodeling, my games are scattered around downtown Indy. And if I'm not on demo duty, I may head back to the hotel after my games. Due to things hitting the proverbial fan, I'm staying out by the airport and driving in each day; if I can't get downtown early enough for a cheap parking spot I'll want to get out of the expensive one ASAP. Leah ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWrj1Ut9oubqUuEizm21UxqRaiyrZIfL1UY5ZvhXdjsiIo/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 12:35:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RGZnXL022137 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:35:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RGZRLW000551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RGYpXH008761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RGYmlq083762; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RGYju5083676 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=IKgSrWSvkJ61rrTxkJ8otiyULPcsdo2UkcGNRvW/PfPCcieSshLVSU7bcpDn/HsL; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.105.95.213] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KN9Ch-0005J6-IQ for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:34:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <836F59F2-50B8-40E6-8B3B-6DB2465C93F1@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:29:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ca67b20df1dedb88bc3287e2c0d66c0bc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.95.213 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f7e3c8f-a3b0-46cf-9dff-c151df0a31c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488CA3CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jul 26, 2008, at 4:05 PM, monica spence wrote: > The Rijksmuseum (Rembrandt Museum) and Anne Frank's house are both > must-see > places in Amseredam. Also-- anyplace that sells chocolate and baked > goods. > However, beware of the damage to your waistline! Is the Rijksmuseum open again yet? Most of it (like 90%) was shut down for renovation when I was there in March. All they have open is one wing with a "highlights of the collection" exhibit, which I didn't bother with because I want to go back sometime when I can see more. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 14:58:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RIwYu3028281 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:58:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RIwS5d009950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:58:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RIvsmA015563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RIvnVt095926; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RIvjvn095856 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.00.00 201-2219-102-20071207) with ESMTP id <20080727185744.FLHM17602.fep51.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:57:44 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.124]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080727185744.QNKS1864.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:57:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c8f01a$a69de240$7ce73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <836F59F2-50B8-40E6-8B3B-6DB2465C93F1@igc.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:57:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.124] at Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:57:43 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b009340f-d3b4-4421-a729-8f18db79af38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488CC554.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:58:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Isnt there also the Historical Museum in Amsterdam? I think i remember someone from h-costume posting pictures from the costumes exhibited there, about a year ago, was it Deredere? There was pictures of a gorgeous 1780 dress embroidered ! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events > > On Jul 26, 2008, at 4:05 PM, monica spence wrote: > >> The Rijksmuseum (Rembrandt Museum) and Anne Frank's house are both >> must-see >> places in Amseredam. Also-- anyplace that sells chocolate and baked >> goods. >> However, beware of the damage to your waistline! > > > Is the Rijksmuseum open again yet? Most of it (like 90%) was shut down > for renovation when I was there in March. All they have open is one wing > with a "highlights of the collection" exhibit, which I didn't bother with > because I want to go back sometime when I can see more. > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 16:43:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RKhbLh032567 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:43:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RKhS1W004316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RKh1fO021068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RKgwKU062660; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RKgtl2062565 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W56 ([64.4.19.156]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:42:49 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 20:42:50.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[55CDB890:01C8F029] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1044c45-cf95-4c17-a8e7-877439d0a095 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488CDDF0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a bel????? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in any painting. http://www.abcgallery.com/T/titian/titian96.html http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor29.htmlSincerely, Rebecca Rautine _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 16:59:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RKxvQI000802 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:59:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RKxm8g003074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RKxJMO021952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RKxJqZ072950; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RKxGcD072911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-255-25.desm.qwest.net [71.214.255.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RKxEKU013650 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:59:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <37E4ADB2-95A1-4C5B-A49C-83C9BAC826D5@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:59:14 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/7853/Sun Jul 27 13:51:50 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] things to do near Amsterdam X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6141e1be-e3e3-4d09-862f-e3db24951c57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488CE1C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:59:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's been, um, almost 20 years since we lived in Amsterdam... but FWIW my family really liked the outdoor museum at Enkhuizen. Think living history farms, except it's the everyday lives of 19th C. fisher folk instead of farmers. :-) Good costume content, too. We day-tripped it by train, IIRC. There's also a nice art museum in The Hague but my feeble brain no longer remembers the name of it. There used to be a couple of preserved windmills in one [or more?] of the Amsterdam city parks, and be sure to take a bike ride through Amstel Park and go eat pancakes at the famous pancake house... assuming it's still there! Enviously, Suzanne On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit > after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an > extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic > costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and > including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just > wearable stuff: castles, living history events. > > My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of > the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a > wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. > > If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages > 10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out > of town are also accessible. > > Got any great suggestions? > Got any "out there" suggestions? > Thanks for the help, > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 17:25:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6RLPBnk002165 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:25:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RLP3c6020603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RLOSCS024145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6RLOSAk092368; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6RLONha092266 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 94784 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2008 21:24:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JbLPDUXcJKJnB57dVHIhY8FUqVxr4g7mgDrpOw+/X0cEJPgA1ZjkoPYiIcFI3zgEkGZkwEjvHUs6mHJ6wXzNz0fdPYrtqIDvDtOWcVwWCtkGpOFAQeY5LZ4sHkwhIjSIDSi8hgXnOayt7PStO4Y/zYHfGo5wYEMWnXxXf8Ghq1o=; Received: from [121.45.159.167] by web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:24:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <547312.94373.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfcabb71-55a8-43f4-86f6-2f887f3cde41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488CE7AF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:25:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Becky, it's a Balzo or Capigliara. Here is a great page about/how-to: http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/balzo-new.htm =A0Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net ----- Original Message ---- From: Becky Rautine zeartiste@hotmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian ha= t, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a b= el????? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in a= ny painting.<<<<<< Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.= com.au/search _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 20:34:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S0Y32g011207 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S0Xv8e013388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S0XMQ8033040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S0XH96099260; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6S0XEFB099200 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71774 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 00:33:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5EJTs839zu4G8EPlN4wOHMlM7Lsv8865Yw2WtxxWCwZ9N78v0cO5Eki8k0DhxRW2pElvXNkDPXG0ozghFdHNcKe4UWTX/xKKia2SfvTrKa/0pHRUTF1L0i8Lzh/wOIacK6z29Vab1BGy/T7kSsc19SyMW8LINGtnZvXd+yMBK2A=; Received: from [68.164.85.43] by web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:33:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <738667.71671.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ad50fb1-e554-471f-8e50-3c266a2ff8d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488D13F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm quite fond of Zaanse Schans, which I believe you can drive to in about an hour, depending on traffic. Yes, it's awfully touristy, but if you're a mech-e-geek, and if it's open, there's a windmill that you can climb inside of (the one for grinding paints). It's not handicap friendly, and keep an eye on the little ones, or they may end up under the millwheel. It was going full-bore last time I was there, and it was darn neat watching the gears and shafts turn. It creaked like a tallship under sail (which it definitely resembles). Scratch the kitty's head at the ticket counter. Costume content: they make and wear clogs in traditional fashion. I think some of the docents and employees also wear traditional costumes. Do check what parts of the Rijksmuseum are open. They've been renovating there for umpteen years, and you'd think they'd be done by now? Also check what they have on display. When I was there, uh, maybe 7 years ago, they had a small wing devoted to 18th century court gowns and lace. Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 27 22:13:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S2DHfQ013889 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:13:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S2DBta013696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:13:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S2CnGc038095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S2Chju054584; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S2Cdhm054502 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K4P001QG24V3990@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:12:26 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00fb743e-a505-4796-b496-4e54ef00de85 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488D2B37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is called a Balzo. You can find info at: http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/balzo-new.htm http://mariwashere.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=26 http://www.sword.net/jessica/firenze/Early15thCenturyBalzo.pdf Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Becky Rautine Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:43 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a bel????? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in any painting. http://www.abcgallery.com/T/titian/titian96.html http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor29.htmlSincerely, Rebecca Rautine _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 00:34:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S4YqVH018387 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:34:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S4Ylmu005723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S4YK9f045887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S4YFkJ028894; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S4YCvu028822 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W30 ([64.4.19.130]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:34:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:34:06 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <547312.94373.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <547312.94373.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 04:34:07.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C6CBDB0:01C8F06B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35e48fdf-440a-46da-8eec-e6ced4fdcffc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488D4C67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:34:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you. I recently saw The Taming of the Shrew and wondered about her head dresses and hair arrangements. I thought they were beautiful so I paused the film over and over to sketch the wedding dress, hair and all, then the complete set she wore at her sister's wedding. That wire thingy must have taken a lot of time to weave in and out and around in those angles. I'd love one like that. It's crown like but still a head garment. For my purposes, it doesn't matter if its authentic period. I think I'll make one to go with a gown I'm creating. Don't know all the stages yet but going to be maroon and gold, light ivory and black designs on the front. Maybe a blackwork chemise with blooming sleeves to show off the blackwork. I love embroidry so it may have lots of hidden little things only I'll know about. If I get to the sketch stage with final decisions, I'll post it.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:24:18 -0700> From: bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au> To:! h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat> > Hi Becky, it's a Balzo or Capigliara. Here is a great page about/how-to:> http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/balzo-new.htm> > Bella> The Realm of Venus> http://realmofvenus.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Becky Rautine zeartiste@hotmail.com> Subject: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat> > > I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a bel????? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in any painting.<<<<<<> > > > Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.com.au/search> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 02:53:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S6rXdC011508 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:53:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S6rSN2015260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S6qO9J052007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S6qN3h005875; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6S6qJZ4005785 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200807280652.m6S6qJZ4005785@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2008 06:52:11 -0000 Received: from p548E70EC.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.112.236] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 08:52:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yIgVjdsVyVhWQih50jIJ7YlSc3HMtwmtC8aXlLS CRfaBlhWWNLLyI X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:51:55 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: <37E4ADB2-95A1-4C5B-A49C-83C9BAC826D5@cybermesa.com> References: <37E4ADB2-95A1-4C5B-A49C-83C9BAC826D5@cybermesa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] things to do near Amsterdam X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0807d8d-460b-4bf8-be5e-f0c8fa0704f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488D6CE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:53:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There=B4s also a place called "Archeon" in the = Netherlands. They have reconstructed medieval, = prehistoric and roman buildings and people in = matching period clothes live and work in them. = There is a similar medieval town in Nyk=F6bing in = Denmark and I try to get there once every summer = because it=B4s so beautiful and interesting. But I = have a late 14th century SCA-Persona, so I might be a bit biased. :-) (OT: If you go into a supermarket, buy some = "Chocolade pasta puur". It=B4s like German = "Nutella", but without nuts and not as sweet and very good.) I went to Amsterdam some years ago for work so I = didn=B4t get to do much sightseeing but strolled = around the town along the Grachten and looked at the beautiful houses. Best wishes, Hanna At 22:59 27.07.2008, you wrote: >It's been, um, almost 20 years since we lived in Amsterdam... but >FWIW my family really liked the outdoor museum at Enkhuizen. Think >living history farms, except it's the everyday lives of 19th C. >fisher folk instead of farmers. :-) Good costume content, too. We >day-tripped it by train, IIRC. There's also a nice art museum in The >Hague but my feeble brain no longer remembers the name of it. >There used to be a couple of preserved windmills in one [or more?] of >the Amsterdam city parks, and be sure to take a bike ride through >Amstel Park and go eat pancakes at the famous pancake house... >assuming it's still there! >Enviously, >Suzanne > >On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >>I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit >>after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an >>extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic >>costuming, social dance & history from the early Renn up to and >>including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just >>wearable stuff: castles, living history events. >> >>My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law & I are all engineers and some of >>the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a >>wind mill works, science & tech museums are good fun. >> >>If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages >>10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out >>of town are also accessible. >> >>Got any great suggestions? >>Got any "out there" suggestions? >>Thanks for the help, >>--cin >>Cynthia Barnes >>CinBarnes@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 03:55:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S7t1co017871 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:55:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S7stuN004649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:54:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S7sN09055137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S7sKQ7044732; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S7sHsN044688 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5BA640CC0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:54:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a98cd3b3-bb16-480e-b939-4259da3babd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488D7B4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061407/mediaindex http://peppermintkisskiss.com/images/tfaustus.jpg some pictures. Perhaps the chemise/camicia could have a blend of black, maroon and gold embrodery. De -----Original Message----- Thank you. I recently saw The Taming of the Shrew and wondered about her head dresses and hair arrangements. I thought they were beautiful so I paused the film over and over to sketch the wedding dress, hair and all, then the complete set she wore at her sister's wedding. That wire thingy must have taken a lot of time to weave in and out and around in those angles. I'd love one like that. It's crown like but still a head garment. For my purposes, it doesn't matter if its authentic period. I think I'll make one to go with a gown I'm creating. Don't know all the stages yet but going to be maroon and gold, light ivory and black designs on the front. Maybe a blackwork chemise with blooming sleeves to show off the blackwork. I love embroidry so it may have lots of hidden little things only I'll know about. If I get to the sketch stage with final decisions, I'll post it.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 04:43:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6S8gxI0025890 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:42:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S8gq11001613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6S8gTBs058324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8gSXt075535; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8gONN075407 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iXRx6xRPioPsLHMe2xYYQ606dveVvDfyNmwOjWapItUhGLnHff6AXhW9sV1bH18P; h=Received:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:References:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.43.194] (helo=[10.0.1.199]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KNOJ9-0007ES-4d for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:42:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <0A7E9E0B-E572-4C88-9F98-6366C493FC5B@earthlink.net> References: From: Heather Rose Jones Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:42:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478424b1a4f98afe623fcd3d536d0821ce0714b95d30bd851d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.43.194 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] SF Bay Area -- Benefit lecture: Costume Research from Existing Garments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91879823-9564-4c7f-9650-8d09fb1a7789 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488D868D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'll be presenting a day of historic costume lectures this Saturday as a benefit for the Vallejo Music Theatre -- see details below. I know there are a number of other distractions for area costumers this weekend but there's always going to be _something_ conflicting with _anything_. The material is mostly coming out of my work cataloging surviving pre-modern garments (plus a bit of Welsh stuff thrown in for leavening). So if you happen to be in the area at loose ends, I'd love to see a good turnout for the theater's sake. Heather Rose Jones >> On August 2, 2008 Vallejo Music Theatre will host an all day class >> at 823 Marin St in Vallejo. Our theme is "Early European Costume >> Research from Existing Garments". Doors will open at 9:30am and >> begin with registration and coffee. Tickets can be purchased by >> going to our website vallejomusictheatre.org or by calling Vallejo >> Music Theatre at 707-649-2787. The price of $45.00 includes lunch >> and refreshments. >> >> Our classes are: >> #1: Researching Costume from Surviving Garments: From the Iceman >> to Charles the Bold, >> #2: The Genealogy of Clothing Construction: Stylistic Changes >> Across Time and Space - handout included >> #3: Medieval Welsh Costume: Researching Less-Documented Cultures >> - booklet available for sale >> >> Our program includes morning coffee and pastries, lunch (after the >> first program) hosted by Georgia Street Grill, 314 Georgia Street, >> Vallejo and a dessert, coffee and conversation finale. >> >> Our presenter is Heather Rose Jones. >> >> Heather was born into an academic family, she has lived at various >> times in three of the four corners of the continental US as well >> as three European countries and now currently resides in the SF >> Bay Area. She has a BS in zoology and spent a decade in medical >> research. Later she went back to school for a PhD in linguistics >> (specializing in Medieval Welsh prepositions). She currently works >> in the biotech field in various capacities. >> >> As a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), where >> she is know as Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn. She loves to >> share her knowledge with anyone who will stand still long enough >> to listen. She is also an author and has several publications on >> language, historic clothing and Wales. The SCA has been an outlet >> for any number of her historic interests, although she has some >> seriously academic outlets as well. Research and teaching are >> great passions in her life. >> >> This is the second event showcasing historic clothing. Last year >> Vallejo MUsic Theatre hosted the authors of "The Tudor Tailor". >> >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 11:35:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SFZA9J028547 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SFZ3bL000315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SFYa5C097202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SFYWl3035787; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SFYRi8035680 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.105972204; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:34:13 0100 Received: from dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg01.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.223]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m6SFY8v10560.; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:34:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:30:50 +0100 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.41]) with mapi; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:34:07 +0100 From: Kate M Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:34:06 +0100 Thread-Topic: [ h-cost ]Looking for Amsterdam museums & events Thread-Index: AcjwwBi5KzFl8SN+S5mx+kUpmG41DAABiazg Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B2048783E9B7BAC@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost ]Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b89283f2-ba03-4606-876e-473fb2cce63c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488DE727.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:35:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Monica Spence wrote: >The Rijksmuseum (Rembrandt Museum) and Anne Frank's house are both must->see places in Amseredam. And, if you're a Rembrandt fan, there is his own house too (though it's more than 30 years since I was there...). Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 11:54:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SFsVlS029179 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:54:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SFsPnH015594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SFs1tI099196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SFs0I0056692; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SFrxRa056652 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1165883ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ibmF+3t0A3unQTtKpWriZ7uQszHc2h0LTMgWu+jeoXU=; b=FtFjEeCh9f0SkseKngJX0Ahd4XwvZBNGaEg9dJ6b62fKgzRdZ56s6KUP2IgWXV0MFZ iodeXzc8a3ZoD58WuAm5ReDAe8aHAPc5c1GgORMZWvc7JPRPBNaMj/Q3X8Tu1N7LrgZC FsOXAaUeaJPYQCRl6HUKVnArXq6Gv+JQGloRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HHi4fEflz+O+khYyU99X5Azh+W4ji86yDHVP632zotSaOtYRExBZZe0qqFocTC7XuD E70RjdVBOvtJUzYKixon7dhc52zjQQBh5XUFnss+G6AEuX9PFXcLgtkRDfNHhfS/txKM 5AuDYfqJ81h99RB2ZdBwTqBu7xmuyim2r/RyI= Received: by 10.100.214.15 with SMTP id m15mr8628550ang.51.1217260438601; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:58 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f1e6f20-1420-4506-8433-bb54501adabd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488DEBB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:54:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Of course the title should really "What ON EARTH Have You Got on Your Head? Take that off at once!" But Regina is much too nice to say that. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Regina Voorhes wrote: > I can be found assisting with the "Overview of Gaelic Clothing" class > given > by Steven Gillan, and, right after in the same room, teaching "What is on > Your Head? Irish Headdresses in the 16th Century." > > Look for the loon with the "Board Member" ribbon. Oh, wait, that's the > whole board. Hmmmm.... > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html CANADIAN readers take note! Now available at amazon.ca http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 For that matter US readers are free to order from Canada too, since amazon.com says it's out of stock. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 14:46:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SIk91w002304 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:46:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SIk2iF024814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:46:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SIjHfF013467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SIjAuP048504; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SIj9UT048482 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so473065qwb.23 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=7Ag2oI4PLhlhM47UJF1LfpIcL7TiQM9Uu1j8ts704F0=; b=FOH/QrWXYWiEk+rALbvIcobYuMRKT2np6eKIB8BIbbExUptCXzsy91SOGsSLVv8+uA yoLD5gv4R9A6feNumr5I3Su0YA2Kh3UVXclOvs8dqO64pDC2gtOUQhW306R/INMoblb7 MxfzwJ5krsLdYSpJO3R3TV/y449mceDIg91So= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VKdZvHKx0r6dQT2YxxJmHHQPsquFFR05QJSNiU0fIGnrZwy7U0iGccX2U5iMiEzSGO ddTNS5KYOTqqlZ8HjFT4x9l8Bu0sssfde1l2hGpqfCJmTyowi0bV6/jCvIxno+jgAwHV S1kPW73x30cb6S3rXZBx5j7GCHWaJjsz0wU+w= Received: by 10.214.241.21 with SMTP id o21mr202827qah.60.1217270709254; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.46.3 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:09 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65f0abb6-55c4-47f5-b5fa-d69281c1e80b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488E13EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Y'all are a wealth of tasty info! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 15:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SJ3ejQ002780 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SJ3Tww014877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SJ2wqR014938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SJ2w9J066953; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6SJ2tj8066785 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from concertmasterp@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25633 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 19:02:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=cwc7MUet/33QH2erp+keI3hDEoypxJJxvz9eQwHbJTZb9eL6mHYYunbo+3isQs2ktt8Rzy4AhRIOv/ej7KqMmI5SziqrLDiEFByS0/OBUmdKC3MrYaqZvukgV09kAQ6LxV4+dLQHfuN/a+w2XRbSZRyP2B0Ci2xLk0gJ9TN61Lg=; Received: from [75.109.198.41] by web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:02:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pabinquit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <513596.24747.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eec31b4b-f5e1-4721-a726-d82e91e1f9bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488E1801.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One other museum is good. The Rijk Museum. It has clothing, furniture and o= ther day to day items in it. Namaste = Robert=A0)0( = --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Cin wrote: From: Cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums & events To: "h-cost" Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 1:45 PM Thank you all, including the ones who replied privately, for all the wonderful ideas. Y'all are a wealth of tasty info! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 16:24:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SKOtS8005591 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:24:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SKOolW012364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:24:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SKNKKk021963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SKNILP051422; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6SKNEgh051286 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53343 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 20:23:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IVXpYLdAQ8yzEgbh4LwtXazi1mxq4pS7HdqwtZMG4RRPznmmvDcugshQbDiPK1C+7DbG07qj0je+50VisxFjelhDU7WsLhYgmH3pCM19iAqoMHrRF8NZg5sgXWtCIkbwx88iorSzVSG2LlMh8mT/YVpZulwUhJGL41yLnBuZ/9Y=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:23:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <324856.52947.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2270eae5-7c3e-4af9-8d48-37c0be1df4cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488E2B12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If there was a thread on this topic, please point me to it by telling me the name of the subject:-) Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 16:54:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SKsQNc006379 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:54:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SKsKAW022544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SKlrlm023932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SKlp3P075903; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SKkGsQ074279 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.47]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:46:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:46:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:46:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 20:46:10.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7712B40:01C8F0F2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59fd2390-9a0c-4206-ab8e-8e222daa7688 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488E31FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks again! :0) Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 17:41:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SLfc5V007795 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SLfVf2002139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:41:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SLd6jQ027639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SLcvgH026226; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6SLcs4J026101 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87220 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 21:38:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=DHABbRaD2Vcxxic9oV06bIWjRryRxPPctNMCVWPmSTdoynEiTr50bEV3XqnBPG6uqAN4GcGIa//rZPdjGF49UYavqlizwC/eM815YpIhZ4q9z3Mf+QSEXbKHhivss3rvSs+lm1bVAlqzIMnfpBrmQ/CIPXxVKZC7wrrQluIWBfs=; Received: from [74.170.117.178] by web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:38:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <222005.84856.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0444b247-48a8-4162-89b8-455e1480ead3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488E3D0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's ladies in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source for pictures. I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands or tiara type headdress. You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks again! :0) Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 17:48:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6SLm9SN008032 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SLm0tw026115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SLgp4t027862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SL8xIR096802; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SL8vdw096749 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3976610rvb.11 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:08:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1FeuKwkLq52EztrTbGur7Rw93IJjSEPfLL6iP2NjyrI=; b=oSz3LWyinK60TDf3CKfrqbU67ohsFkhIEvHG3NYi5OyuA5OL9obOx5wcqyGxhjAal4 yNyMgVbzyAVbv7azo0/MF9cSW9QutAXBU241KmohBiVGI9kVw3Liui2l2Jc5g8W67DkK hQPAeBoT3cdYv2uTBMpxUEMnfJMPJtRLq2oUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nEHTnsUybayi8VptXok0tuF9GTLjIRZbkQ6Pp4K5fbsiezNzxRFKc4GjQihU1/N4Z9 ddYWfEm9fmonRLz2oOxh+quNXcECOXb8j3dcGom+3RkEskl7tTVorTTD9SuQAvoOaFFX +ijuKyv4XoOpPn1VP7A6f+h5sGyqiflBldyiE= Received: by 10.140.199.3 with SMTP id w3mr2596260rvf.67.1217279336926; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.131.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070807281408p286c047ex8b719066ae373ff6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:56 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed9d6dfb-613e-4e65-9465-96e8b6916896 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488E3E90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Sheridan, Are you looking for pictures of fancy dress as in costumes for costume parties or as in evening formal wear? Katy On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > Hello! > > I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's ladies > in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source for > pictures. > > I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands or > tiara type headdress. > > You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks > again! :0) > > > Sheridan P > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:36:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Becky Rautine : > > I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like > Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of > the Shrew. It's a bel????? I can't remember the term and can't seem > to find a description in any painting. > http://www.abcgallery.com/T/titian/titian96.html > http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor29.htmlSincerely, It's called a Balzo http://www.geocities.com/curvess2000/my_balzos.htm http://www.sword.net/jessica/firenze/Early15thCenturyBalzo.pdf http://mariwashere.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=26 http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/balzo-new.htm Susan/ jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 28 22:56:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6T2uhVe017809 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:56:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6T2ucXf018792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:56:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6T2uCbu045322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T2uBm4065022; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T2u8H6064988 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A618776C00B6; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:53:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c8f126$a0e71850$060ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjwhxTIVWHUme0DRWmXnTRTaFJ6tAAntjNw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44995364-bddf-45b4-a499-8ff4e8910a17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488E86E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:56:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When I was in high school, we did "Kiss Me, Kate". My friend's aunts did the costumes and copied the "Shrew" costumes for the leads. They were GORGEOUS. I believe they made the headdress of wire, covered with masking tape or fabric tape (for bulk), then painted. Or you could make it out of wicker, hot melt glued together, then painted (the easy way). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061407/mediaindex http://peppermintkisskiss.com/images/tfaustus.jpg some pictures. Perhaps the chemise/camicia could have a blend of black, maroon and gold embrodery. De -----Original Message----- Thank you. I recently saw The Taming of the Shrew and wondered about her head dresses and hair arrangements. I thought they were beautiful so I paused the film over and over to sketch the wedding dress, hair and all, then the complete set she wore at her sister's wedding. That wire thingy must have taken a lot of time to weave in and out and around in those angles. I'd love one like that. It's crown like but still a head garment. For my purposes, it doesn't matter if its authentic period. I think I'll make one to go with a gown I'm creating. Don't know all the stages yet but going to be maroon and gold, light ivory and black designs on the front. Maybe a blackwork chemise with blooming sleeves to show off the blackwork. I love embroidry so it may have lots of hidden little things only I'll know about. If I get to the sketch stage with final decisions, I'll post it.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 01:32:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6T5WQlD021994 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6T5WKUW028774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6T5V1PF052471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T5UvqB062516; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T5UsmZ062433 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:30:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:30:19 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 05:30:20.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[316FA030:01C8F13C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d1b8fbf-b014-4fb6-948d-7c101a018c37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488EAB64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:32:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I saw a chemise that had floral swirls all over it and can't find it now. I thought I'd get a book of patterns and draw my own on the pieces, embroider them and have that as the decoration for the lower skirt as well, Maybe match the chemise and the skirt front???? SOunds like I need to start sketching before I forget what I started to say.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:54:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061407/mediaindex> http://peppermintkisskiss.com/images/tfaustus.jpg> some pictures.> > Perhaps the chemise/camicia could have a blend of black, maroon and gold> embrodery.> > De> > -----Original Message-----> Thank you. I recently saw The Taming of the Shrew and wondered about her> head dresses and hair arrangements. I thought they were beautiful so I> paused the film over and over to sketch the wedding dress, hair and all,> then the complete se! t she wore at her sister's wedding. That wire thingy> must have taken a lot of time to weave in and out and around in those> angles. I'd love one like that. It's crown like but still a head garment.> For my purposes, it doesn't matter if its authentic period. I think I'll> make one to go with a gown I'm creating. Don't know all the stages yet but> going to be maroon and gold, light ivory and black designs on the front.> Maybe a blackwork chemise with blooming sleeves to show off the blackwork. I> love embroidry so it may have lots of hidden little things only I'll know> about. If I get to the sketch stage with final decisions, I'll post> it.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine>> > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 01:36:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6T5aBtq022066 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:36:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6T5a5fQ018220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:36:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6T5ZWHt052682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T5ZWJ7065382; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/NxUQTh33n/MhnjJ72W0Q2omZXv65oE70@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T5ZTgT065343 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6T5ZSTV015253 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:35:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 8883 invoked by uid 80); 29 Jul 2008 05:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 29 Jul 2008 05:35:28 -0000 Message-ID: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:35:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d147f84d-dc38-4d3f-8bd4-606337609695 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488EAC45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:36:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Two items of note for those of you interested in my lectures on medieval dress, and are within range of either Ohio or Southern California: -- I will be giving a full day of lectures (five in all) in Oxford, Ohio, at Miami University, on Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008. The website for registration isn't quite ready yet, but I figured some people would appreciate advance notice of the date and place for your calendar. My topics will be as follows: 1. The Gothic Fitted Dress 2. The Greenland Gored Gown 3. Will the Real Sideless Surcoat Please Stand Up? 4. The 15th Century V-Necked Gown 5. When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources -- I have been approached for a possible appearance in the Los Angeles area, early in 2009. This, too, would be a full day consisting of five lectures, similar to the above, though probably with some slight variation in the lecture lineup. The organizer would like to get a sense of how much interest there is so she can choose a suitable venue. If you think you might want to attend, please let her know. You can post here and I'll pass the word along, or contact her directly (with a copy to me, please): Kerri, at bkmorin@socal.rr.com --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 11:02:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TF23h4025772 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TF1rOl012814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:01:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TF16Si078324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TF13p5068736; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TF10Y0068622 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.45]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:00:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:00:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:00:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <3586f5070807281408p286c047ex8b719066ae373ff6@mail.gmail.com> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:00:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 15:00:55.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6B63C70:01C8F18B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be667940-27d2-43b3-831b-b4f940ef8900 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488F30E1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:01:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Evening formal wear for preference. :0) S >From: "Katy Bishop" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:56 -0400 > >Dear Sheridan, > >Are you looking for pictures of fancy dress as in costumes for costume >parties or as in evening formal wear? > >Katy > >On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Shane Sheridan Chabot > wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's >ladies > > in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source >for > > pictures. > > > > I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands >or > > tiara type headdress. > > > > You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks > > again! :0) > > > > > > Sheridan P > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- >Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 11:13:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TFDTYO026162 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TFD5SA029483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TF2dSc078442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TF2dAR070183; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TF2a17070068 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.47]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:02:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:02:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:02:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 15:02:30.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F822F00:01C8F18C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c584bf06-8268-4d8d-995c-8ac052763faf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488F3381.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO These are wonderful! I had stumbled on this site in the past, but that was at least one broken computer ago. Thanks! S >From: "otsisto" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:27:04 -0500 > >http://www.antiquedress.com/item6279.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item6488.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item6336.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item6348.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item6280.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item3451.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item535.htm >http://www.antiquedress.com/item535.htm > >Hope this helps >De > >-----Original Message----- > >Hello! > >I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's >ladies >in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source for >pictures. > >I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands or >tiara type headdress. > >You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks >again! :0) > > >Sheridan P > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:02:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TG2Avp027442 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TG243g004815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:02:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TG1M6H083532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TG1KHc029864; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6TG1Gdj029726 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35142 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 16:01:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rivlIUmR/uKFlDHyflmXKHucEo8YuyFKe5ES7D6QiPtX2CKhpGkLANsJa1VTKBpdn+59hlrhQ2PjhRuXgY0Dx80vxvgEtNfObpYVZlzYVY1rW9vANTWNEdQotN8Z4wQZIvvZqSgZ7AkEwW2VPqG5KGQ0QJU0PnPnYOtFkIo8E20=; Received: from [209.19.36.161] by web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carletta da Nicolosi To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <378573.34829.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Silver Fox Fur Repair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 173f1de1-dbac-4248-8d10-64f270811f46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488F3EFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have recently acquired a Vintage silver fox shoulder wrap that is in need= of repair.=A0 I was going to use it in its entirety over an outer cloak, b= ut the fur stitching is so old, it is disintegrating.=A0 I think if I can r= epair it before it tears any more, it will be okay.=A0 How can I stabilize = the ripping and get the fur back to where I can sew the lining back to it?= =A0 The strips of pelts are about 2 in. wide.=A0 If I cannot stop the teari= ng, then I guess I will just be forced to use it as strips of trim which is= a different set of questions. ;D =A0 Thanks to everyone on this list for your help and ideas! =A0 Carletta = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:18:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGI0bw028040 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGHsLw029375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGHY6o084865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGHYtt046311; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGHWXg046274 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so1283259ana.65 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vyel5eXwfxQwQ7aPNhbY3ojZZJuuVgpfvH/F5gsNIxo=; b=AsHUfFmOh6E/K/3rC+L7dGo2b5yOx3qEpIC4dykVAeQ4juqAD1RXd+8VpHzscsRTL0 tbGl/QG6FnTUndsiCbO9Y4RwoeSI3FmgtEM9fw5V1H21aNIlhJKKW7JxJzcvbHJ20cqI psTjCZqQ7c6ZH9rSdl6ztNwttWKwU9xk8+1RU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=a8kB3nio+hMogm+qCGrQ+QkX5VBNkCEMv+i6E3TPnLNzB5j1L5XTNMp9orje6Q4eFl ewCecwRv0y6kfc4b4w23qvmR0Oaio1ISEMSwdgAvj62EUTyLFEpZ9cbeOjQQaju83EoT bj8wk9u7dIla8h7bWiKiFGOskv2HuIdTERTT0= Received: by 10.100.41.1 with SMTP id o1mr10658519ano.10.1217348252483; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:32 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27329031-e01f-4c8e-8d21-236e917f7f56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488F42B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:17:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Los Angeles, Robin? Yes yes YES Please! I'll be there--with troops of friends. On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > Two items of note for those of you interested in my lectures on medieval > dress, and are within range of either Ohio or Southern California: > > -- I will be giving a full day of lectures (five in all) in Oxford, Ohio, > at Miami University, on Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008. The website for > registration isn't quite ready yet, but I figured some people would > appreciate advance notice of the date and place for your calendar. My topics > will be as follows: > 1. The Gothic Fitted Dress > 2. The Greenland Gored Gown > 3. Will the Real Sideless Surcoat Please Stand Up? > 4. The 15th Century V-Necked Gown > 5. When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume > Sources > > -- I have been approached for a possible appearance in the Los Angeles > area, early in 2009. This, too, would be a full day consisting of five > lectures, similar to the above, though probably with some slight variation > in the lecture lineup. The organizer would like to get a sense of how much > interest there is so she can choose a suitable venue. If you think you might > want to attend, please let her know. You can post here and I'll pass the > word along, or contact her directly (with a copy to me, please): Kerri, at > bkmorin@socal.rr.com > > --Robin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html and your favorite bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:23:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGNj5w028300 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGNWDX025300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:23:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGMpeb085347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGMp5u051995; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (as2.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGMcW2051679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as2.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502114.69970479; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:22:06 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:22:06 -0700 Message-Id: <488EE138.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:22:00 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "Historic Costume List" References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25f89120-ca78-4f4c-a70a-e29426a0ba2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488F4404.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:23:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Drat it! I can't afford to travel very far. Even Southern California is probably outside my budget for the forseeable future. Will you be doing anything in Northern California in the near future? Ginni Morgan >>> Robin Netherton 7/28/08 10:35 PM >>> Two items of note for those of you interested in my lectures on medieval dress, and are within range of either Ohio or Southern California: -- I will be giving a full day of lectures (five in all) in Oxford, Ohio, at Miami University, on Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008. The website for registration isn't quite ready yet, but I figured some people would appreciate advance notice of the date and place for your calendar. My topics will be as follows: 1. The Gothic Fitted Dress 2. The Greenland Gored Gown 3. Will the Real Sideless Surcoat Please Stand Up? 4. The 15th Century V-Necked Gown 5. When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources -- I have been approached for a possible appearance in the Los Angeles area, early in 2009. This, too, would be a full day consisting of five lectures, similar to the above, though probably with some slight variation in the lecture lineup. The organizer would like to get a sense of how much interest there is so she can choose a suitable venue. If you think you might want to attend, please let her know. You can post here and I'll pass the word along, or contact her directly (with a copy to me, please): Kerri, at bkmorin@socal.rr.com --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:35:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGZJe2028823 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGZ4Ex008636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGYdRn086305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGYd29063820; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGYbui063800 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2075817ywe.71 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:34:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xFgKTm9+xPKddnhaDF/HneQhe2dHe7EMutQv+uyPfWc=; b=X7LX1cPWemUXM6w1yuRbWLJCDppkd4DbBOBAETWxdTHGexCfw0A6us6e5DyWdMRFTw xw4GcPPWSfkiIXVhzHGI/yKfSYLyZDA+vbhOhy1wQ0VLfdLwsjbRm21kvaQCkf8wqCGv XuWMhQXZwHk9kPOTXZxFCachrSgZ2LIInEd+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nNLVTVc3pug+HNAn1dW8/lzSHTR5tzdqVuYDOU6Btm1qpUOpe/r0L7AoQftBosvLJJ zoNOzmoT12K9KPnn/SXH98Otn8Z5oLKPc+VQljxL5fmpjJ2PtNqnFNiVY7e3DMIZnVOr 3bXdj8zEmo20+vXjMpOt+aN51wOU7eE3oQbcQ= Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr3345016rvo.53.1217349276877; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.196.12 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:34:36 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d4fe6f1-cbee-4241-8677-9f27ed294065 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 488F46B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know the book very well. IMHO, you would be better served by using a more modern bit of research. Harmand's book is c1928. It's chief value is the prolific references to all those wonderful illuminations in the BNF and the quotations from Jeanne d'Arc trial. May I suggest you look thru the London excavations books or Fashions in the Age of the Black Prince for the detailed answers to your question? If all you want is a pattern & working method, the the Medieval Tailor is more up to date than Jeanne d'Arc and accessible in a language you read. This really isnt my period, so I cant answer your question directly. Best, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Hose lining To: h-costume Message-ID: <324856.52947.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm solving a little problem, the lining in joined hose in the 15th century in general. Was there any - if yes, how did it look, did it cover the whole hose, how often one could see hose with lining and hose without - and also was there lining in hose in earlier periods? I could only find something in Adrien Harmand's book, but my French is not excellent and I'm not sure whether I understand everything... If there was a thread on this topic, please point me to it by telling me the name of the subject:-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:35:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGZZ5u028839 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGZTlV021019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGZB3m086374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGZBYR064390; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19CooSyayyZpIvtwRjacBVrynwRixSG8z8@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGZ8FU064321 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6TGZ6Id024991 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 3274 invoked by uid 80); 29 Jul 2008 16:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 29 Jul 2008 16:35:07 -0000 Message-ID: <488F46B8.5050008@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:35:04 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> <488EE138.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> In-Reply-To: <488EE138.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 350a563e-5c41-4931-8d34-50f4ad00e477 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488F46D1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ginni Morgan wrote: > Drat it! I can't afford to travel very far. Even Southern California is probably outside my budget for the forseeable future. Will you be doing anything in Northern California in the near future? If someone (or group) wants to bring me in, I'm all for it. It's been years since I've been out there. I spoke in San Jose in, hmm, 2003 I think. I know there are people in Sacramento and Davis who have talked about it, but I haven't heard anything from that quarter for a long time. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGfCbL029189 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGf6ek004691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:41:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGegjo086774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGegml070015; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGdOUg068750 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nini1961@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so3803996mue.0 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hm5Cy6GiaNsSo2Vk+/1eyPAMPnmeNX0laf35gH0DsCQ=; b=O7vR6PWUOeoaloe67oAz0ytCr/TW0iWQQSHg5Oi/H2bWVDL+mFPVa93+iisGZ6hWQt brCiBKr7D3WCv8Uc+8lAnXcm7rvt97l2G8gd1t7Uc61WoMlOPb1R+MWpEUXdBdOmepUI oZBPmoEHQ0CpGDovqSCqs2Wa05Jn0ZPtBqnAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GaG95JrYDMKedifs/5dtdcNKBdUnc18XljMZHNl/DZLozMfIl7Lah+pQe7NrfYVszT BrmY6rwdi6+IxOUysyaIRlru+w++JgG4HP1l9kqVi0uKlvt82mDtJ6yxqgKzolf7WVDC 2hYrqmYI+WnlGzFuESoZr3cj+houswIQUvpJE= Received: by 10.103.222.12 with SMTP id z12mr3324103muq.95.1217349563426; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.119.13 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <831cf34a0807290939n78adef75wb7751ab66daa917@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:39:23 -0400 From: "Christine Shamblin" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. (Robin Netherton) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d158d57e-a0ee-4b25-8cd3-18bd3a78928a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488F4822.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:41:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Looking forward to it! I've already put it on my calendar. You will let us know when the registration site for Oxford is up, won't you? Christine Shamblin -- "I'm a Material Girl...want to see my fabric collection?" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 12:42:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TGgFCi029227 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TGg7WV005285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGen6U086803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGenET070144; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (imail.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGeGBu069513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as1.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502116.69420367; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:40:10 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:50 -0700 Message-Id: <488EE563.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:47 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> <488EE138.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <488F46B8.5050008@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <488F46B8.5050008@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9d27f0b-38b2-4a96-b109-8980ddb23b9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488F485F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I know there are people in Sacramento and Davis who have talked about it, but I haven't heard anything from that quarter for a long time. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:50:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Sheridan P wrote: > I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's ladies > in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source for > pictures. If fancy dress means costume or maquerade, I dont have any for the 20s. If fancy dress means all dolled up for a night of dancing, I have lots. I collect pics of dancers, you see. Where? Definitely the V&A Library of Congress photo archives .. Look for pictures of dancers US & Europe (not Asian or you get endless natives in feathers & beads). Movie stills - Mary Pickford, Rudolf Valentino, early Fred Astaire Google images -- words involving dances Fashion plate collections Sheet music & record collections > I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands or > tiara type headdress. > > You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks > again! :0) Oddly, I have only one out of 100s. From my photos & fashion plates the modern concept of the 20s headband seems radically incorrect. The vast majority of fashionable ladies are in cloche hats or unadorned bobbed hair, with or without the Marcel waves. V&A 1920 Princess Alice of Albany aka Countess Athlone Let me know if you find some, I'm still hunting, too. I do find lots of headbands starting with Paul Poiret fashion plates in the early teens, on Irene Castle and other dancers. All of these are from pre-WWI photos & sheet music. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:00:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TH0LOp029634 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:00:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TH06Po017502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TGsDvI087871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGsDJi083325; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+I/sJ/UJ3wYOsumP3wVQFRGpSf67Ck3mU@mail45.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGs92b083260 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m6TGs9cD016999 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:54:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 31755 invoked by uid 80); 29 Jul 2008 16:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.169.234) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 29 Jul 2008 16:54:09 -0000 Message-ID: <488F4B2E.9080800@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:54:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <831cf34a0807290939n78adef75wb7751ab66daa917@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <831cf34a0807290939n78adef75wb7751ab66daa917@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. (Robin Netherton) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39148f83-d744-49e9-b62f-4622645e0403 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488F4C96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Christine Shamblin wrote: > Looking forward to it! > I've already put it on my calendar. > > You will let us know when the registration site for Oxford is up, won't you? You bet. I was hoping it would be public by now, but I think the planners all went off to Pennsic with it half-done. I can assure you I'll be there, though, as they've bought my air ticket already. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:08:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TH8r8J029812 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:08:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TH8llC023624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TH8POA089155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TH8NwV097745; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TH8M7C097721 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so2410836pyh.4 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:08:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Eh5Ob090MYxCFenWsHqQLqCaVRPligr8uTtkJyctLSU=; b=VtJ/bD9sjGq04UmDCyPGXvY2pjJT7hnQ0D8DNYUm97103jgXNWbTi9VX5YoLGCFvef f3YHU5tT3Oa5kGQd6+ugH0EvKUMj50UhWYx2hykGrd2J9nGW4EWCNfpWac1lW1q/X49r geUvBc6mIUrRr12oOm1b5hVuCEBqkyb37U6hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=r9PH1E7zHkruAMFwFYL35LkZQ4hcsPVH5EgvxizgTCWPm57KI2iEHCj1XORb/Bt1wz w8VpDvGbY/42oGt+LhaQWTB7mCPoU0Se7coL7pLYIiEuKHq8XdqlBvlMo+BbvMqoI/21 GI5numfA5JMywUi8Z+1NQQ0o4tRgwHeJzXcWc= Received: by 10.140.125.1 with SMTP id x1mr3384680rvc.217.1217351301524; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.196.12 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:08:21 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear (Shane Sheridan Chabot) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7feacf77-10ea-40aa-b635-247cff713eaf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488F4E9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:08:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (resent with the correct subj line... apologies) > Sheridan P wrote: > I have been trying to figure out how to search for pictures of 1920's ladies > in fancy dress and was wondering if anyone here had a favorite source for > pictures. If fancy dress means costume or maquerade, I dont have any for the 20s. If fancy dress means all dolled up for a night of dancing, I have lots. I collect pics of dancers, you see. Where? Definitely the V&A Library of Congress photo archives .. Look for pictures of dancers US & Europe (not Asian or you get endless natives in feathers & beads). Movie stills - Mary Pickford, Rudolf Valentino, early Fred Astaire Google images -- words involving dances Fashion plate collections Sheet music & record collections > I'm specifically looking for pictures that have women wearing headbands or > tiara type headdress. > > You are all such a great resource for my varied oddball projects, thanks > again! :0) Oddly, I have only one out of 100s. From my photos & fashion plates the modern concept of the 20s headband seems radically incorrect. The vast majority of fashionable ladies are in cloche hats or unadorned bobbed hair, with or without the Marcel waves. V&A 1920 Princess Alice of Albany aka Countess Athlone Let me know if you find some, I'm still hunting, too. I do find lots of headbands starting with Paul Poiret fashion plates in the early teens, on Irene Castle and other dancers. All of these are from pre-WWI photos & sheet music. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:22:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6THMAEN030069 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:22:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6THM5DK017086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6THLaRu090447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THLaTc012383; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THLWI5012335 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.29] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1756000431 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: <021201c8f19f$8a2da380$1da73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <378573.34829.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silver Fox Fur Repair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 037be3c2-82da-41a9-81bd-cfcd894877a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488F51BD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:22:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If the fur is going to be a lost cause in the end this is what I would try: purchase some very thin pigskin (dress glove weight) and glue it to the hide side of the fox. Use a flexible leather glue. I'm sure that is not the way a conservator would do it, but if you want it to be sturdy enough to use it needs a sturdy base. Otherwise you are faced with restitching all the fur pieces together with new thread, I think. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:31:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6THVX83030235 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6THVS2p024739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6THV9bG091489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THV9VD023237; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THV6Yg023119 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vqHp1Z0081GXsucAAtX1iM; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:31:01 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vtWz1Z00G2lQJFg8TtWzxL; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=krcXJ6PNUgYkAIaExYUA:9 a=7J_Qnbs3e05oujs6FuQA:9 a=u3NfcO3izuo9QNJ9Tts4nTWyDJYA:4 a=LBmVrBQghZYA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 a=Ec1dy3xVoBeSpla8OcMA:9 a=MOGD8x8ju_Pv38nvfOmfh__4p6gA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 Message-Id: <072920081730.20172.488F53D30006C6A400004ECC22058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silver Fox Fur Repair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e728c314-fa25-47c7-a484-0693669d6ca6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488F53F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You may end up having to glue it to something anyway -- the skins on my vintage mink are so fragile that if I re-stitch it, it just tears again. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Land of Oz" > If the fur is going to be a lost cause in the end this is what I would try: > purchase some very thin pigskin (dress glove weight) and glue it to the hide > side of the fox. Use a flexible leather glue. > > I'm sure that is not the way a conservator would do it, but if you want it > to be sturdy enough to use it needs a sturdy base. > > Otherwise you are faced with restitching all the fur pieces together with > new thread, I think. > > Denise > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:31:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6THVhMU030241 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6THVbYN002082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6THVGqn091516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THVGxf023402; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THV6LM023118 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vpxv1Z0021GXsucAAtX1iL; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:31:01 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vtWz1Z00G2lQJFg8TtWzxL; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=krcXJ6PNUgYkAIaExYUA:9 a=7J_Qnbs3e05oujs6FuQA:9 a=u3NfcO3izuo9QNJ9Tts4nTWyDJYA:4 a=LBmVrBQghZYA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 a=Ec1dy3xVoBeSpla8OcMA:9 a=MOGD8x8ju_Pv38nvfOmfh__4p6gA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:59 +0000 Message-Id: <072920081730.20172.488F53D30006C6A400004ECC22058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silver Fox Fur Repair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: afcc5c0c-9975-44bf-82cb-b1138ec3fec7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488F53F9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You may end up having to glue it to something anyway -- the skins on my vintage mink are so fragile that if I re-stitch it, it just tears again. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Land of Oz" > If the fur is going to be a lost cause in the end this is what I would try: > purchase some very thin pigskin (dress glove weight) and glue it to the hide > side of the fox. Use a flexible leather glue. > > I'm sure that is not the way a conservator would do it, but if you want it > to be sturdy enough to use it needs a sturdy base. > > Otherwise you are faced with restitching all the fur pieces together with > new thread, I think. > > Denise > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 13:43:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6THhcvB030563 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6THhUdL017120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:43:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6THh5cf092441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THh4kb036255; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-3.unl.edu (wm-imp-3.unl.edu [129.93.2.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6THh0PV036180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6THgxM7020350 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:59 -0500 Received: from h217.189.55.139.static.ip.windstream.net (h217.189.55.139.static.ip.windstream.net [139.55.189.217]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20080729124259.61u4k684bo44sgs8@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:59 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <072920081730.20172.488F53D30006C6A400004ECC22058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <072920081730.20172.488F53D30006C6A400004ECC22058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] more fur repair-whitening X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6b4facf-5d56-40de-9f69-59872c361b2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 488F56C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 14:14:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TIE08w031189 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:14:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TIDqwU018472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TICj7n095648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TICgt1066876; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TICcoH066734 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from misch@pobox.com) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vlzl1Z0080mv7h051uCPrU; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:12:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.128.140.77]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vuCb1Z0051gPPkQ3XuCb85; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:12:35 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kt8Mh50jAAAA:8 a=T2VY0_z2AAAA:8 a=3rccqKyEAAAA:8 a=uvFdTqII7M4Dh-aJxpMA:9 a=OzV7iJadUlLqjFsGD54A:9 a=3rPEXnpd_t09zaZGNn4A:7 a=B-rAzQNOKMqDFX-EAiOXg2Uj5P8A:4 a=JjIPuGtr1mIA:10 a=_bUE2zjMfuUA:10 a=eP9Pep8wfnkA:10 a=_e1nNqV67sYA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Michelle Lee Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:12:31 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d83a411-24b0-4172-a988-35d8c7f40412 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488F5DE0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I will agree with Ms. Barnes. I just got a cool book "Victorian hairstyles: An illustrated History of Hairstyles 1830- 1930." By Marian I. Doyle. They show several pictures of people with the new brow band in 1915. Here is a link to Theda Bara who wore a lot of headbands in her movies in the teens. http://silentladies.com/ PBara1.html My favorite headband wearer is a fictional character: Ozma of Oz. She wears giant headband as drawn by John R. Neill http:// www.allposters.com/-st/John-R-Neill-Posters_c63916_.htm these images reflect the fashion of the 19teens. Ozma of Oz was published in 1907. With the introduction of the hair being bobbed and the Marcel wave, items in the hair seem to "fall out" regards, michelle lee owner Patterns from the Past www.oldpatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 14:36:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TIaWOt031804 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:36:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TIaPf5010706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:36:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TIY0rn097326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TIXngU089575; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TIXkSA089455 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IaOpdad/VPeRdW65e/nOGTXhQjgrFECnePQmYFwcZK4QH3AuaItJikxQJKs2LyYU; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c934fl.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.145.245] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KNu0x-0005Qo-3O for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: <488F6282.7040502@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:33:38 -0400 From: Frau Anna Bleucher User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:36:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Count me in, as well. I'm looking forward to it! Connie B. Robin Netherton wrote: > Two items of note for those of you interested in my lectures on > medieval dress, and are within range of either Ohio or Southern > California: > > -- I will be giving a full day of lectures (five in all) in Oxford, > Ohio, at Miami University, on Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008. The website for > registration isn't quite ready yet, but I figured some people would > appreciate advance notice of the date and place for your calendar. My > topics will be as follows: > 1. The Gothic Fitted Dress > 2. The Greenland Gored Gown > 3. Will the Real Sideless Surcoat Please Stand Up? > 4. The 15th Century V-Necked Gown > 5. When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources > > -- I have been approached for a possible appearance in the Los Angeles > area, early in 2009. This, too, would be a full day consisting of five > lectures, similar to the above, though probably with some slight > variation in the lecture lineup. The organizer would like to get a > sense of how much interest there is so she can choose a suitable > venue. If you think you might want to attend, please let her know. You > can post here and I'll pass the word along, or contact her directly > (with a copy to me, please): Kerri, at bkmorin@socal.rr.com > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 15:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TJxseq002743 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:59:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TJxmIf023252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TJw6g9003997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TJvrLQ096383; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TJvnVu096127 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6TJvgG6013642 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:57:43 GMT Message-ID: <000901c8f1b5$5e2c5f40$a166d846@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:40:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] more fur repair-whitening X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3b440ee-254b-4e22-a4f9-4048dbb7ad8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488F76B4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know if this will cure yellowing, but here is some advice from "The Complete Dressmaker", published in 1907: (white fur near the end) CLEANING FUR The dark furs, such as seal, mink, sable, etc., respond to mahogany or fine cedar sawdust as a cleanser. These may be purchased from any furrier. Place the fur on a table with the hairy side up and rub sawdust in by the handful. Use plenty of sawdust and rub vigorously. Shake the fur over the table to save the sawdust that fall, as it can be used again. Turn the fur with the hair side down on large pillows according to the size of the garment; beat it well with a switch. Shake the pillows occasionally and continue beating until all the sawdust is removed. White furs are cleaned in a similar fashion with corn meal. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com > While we're on the subject of furs, I have some ermine that has gone > quite yellow. Is there anything I can do to bring it back to white? > Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 16:11:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TKBjxO003077 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TKBb3t005178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TKBGQm005331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TKBGn5021043; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp17.kp.org [162.119.133.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TKBB6n020836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m6TKACXB013040 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:10 -0700 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:04 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:03 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 07/29/2008 01:11:04 PM, Serialize complete at 07/29/2008 01:11:04 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-07-29 - 13:11:11 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4581232a-b645-4fee-8130-bca3ba498b88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 488F7979.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't done any research on the question myself, but last year at Pennsic I attended a class on hosen by Master Emrys Eustace, hight Broom - an older version of the handout is available on-line: http://www.greydragon.org/library/underwear3.html I'd have to check my notes, but I remember him talking about lining - I think it was that we have textural references to lining of hose especially in Spain, but we don't know what was meant by the lining. Master Broom's hypothesis is that it's a rather short lining - that stops above the knee, intended to protect against wear as the legs rub together. I think Master Broom's e-mail address is in the handout, you might send your question to him directly (though he may be at Pennsic, currently...) -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's up and can be found here: http://www.greneboke.com/robinnetherton.shtml Kate who's planning to go, too! ---- Robin Netherton wrote: > Christine Shamblin wrote: > > Looking forward to it! > > I've already put it on my calendar. > > > > You will let us know when the registration site for Oxford is up, won't you? > > You bet. I was hoping it would be public by now, but I think the planners all > went off to Pennsic with it half-done. I can assure you I'll be there, though, > as they've bought my air ticket already. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 19:14:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TNE8TC010590 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:14:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6TNE0WC001169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TNDniI018526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TNDnB0037348; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6TNDkA2037263 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200807292313.m6TNDkA2037263@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 16592 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 16:13:45 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16587, pid: 16589, t: 0.4864s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:13:44 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:12:36 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_Enormous_Sale_=96_20_Yard_Bolts_In?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_All__Popular_Weights!?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d31e6f6-1d20-48d6-bcdf-5ce0eccfdec0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 488FA438.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HS_INDEX_PARAM, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >To: "Joan" >From: "Fabrics-Store.com Chronicle" >Sender: special-offers@aweber.com >Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:08:49 -0400 >Subject: Joan, Enormous Sale =AD 20 Yard Bolts In All Popular Weights! > >Dear Joan, > >Four months ago I did a sale that got such a = >positive response, that everyone kept asking me = >to do it again! Because the deal was so good for = >my customers, almost too good, I couldn't afford = >doing the deal again and again like my customers = >asked for. 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 29 23:07:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6U37wmW018784 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:07:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6U37p0d009132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:07:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6U37X2l030477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U37TgR099542; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U37QbI099485 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KO22822lp-0004U9; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <005301c8f1f1$64dd82b0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:07:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/h6/HI34fEuk83EJaYuiVcpqxI8ZVY+ZrpjSz qifXwGsiyBo8aXRm1YCo5GSOVvQe9mA+HMzj+GXFpyrMRBdgoY EjSqCQOSPMEDrzhPDkKFQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1920s Bandeau X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df3a11fd-2575-4682-a9b8-2d82c5ede980 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 488FDB07.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I collect in my L'Art et la Mode magazines. These were high fashion magazines that I believe were published weekly. I picked up a handful from my collection from 1921-1925 and came up with several styles of bandeau. Below is a list of the from the magazines by year. Fashion designers' names and type of bandeau appear after the specific years. All the examples of bandeau were worn for eveningwear. Events were parties, balls, opera, theatre, and dancing. I have a larger collection of the magazine from 1905-1919. I don't have time to pull them out. I do not read French so bare with me. 1921: Emile: Single strand beads as headband. Soulie: Same type as above. 1922: 1. Molyneux: Tiara/crown 2. Poiret: scarf headband 3. Tollman: tiara headband 4. Doucet: pearl stranded headband (four strands) 5. Bernard: scarf headband 1923: 1. Lanvin: tiara 2. Worth: A. large taira B. Single strand beads 3. Les Toilettes de Mme Simone Dan-"La Courturiere au Theatre de Vaudeville: 3 models of lg. crown tiaras with a tie at the side of the head. 4. Scavone (not sure if designer or store): A. plain headband B. crown headband. 5. Un Dimanche soir au Ritz: Headband crown that wraps around a bun at nape of neck. 6. Molyneux: crown/tiara 7. One ad with 7 bandeau for balls from designers Lewis, Marie Crozet, and Camille Roger 1924: 1. Soulie: rolled headband with tail with a bow at the end. 2. Madeleine et Madeleine: headband w/o tail. 1925: 1.Tollman (Two bands with a rosette at the side, in same plate two ladies with the crown headpiece) 2. Laure (crown like one of Henry VIII's wives) Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 02:35:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6U6Zt0T004228 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:35:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6U6ZoYH000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:35:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6U6ZUpD040087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U6ZR4G045536; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6U6ZNDF045424 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94075 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 06:35:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=3FPhqF0QsehVYTjzPIXkDSbL6YS8QGNHr+LzYX2zCX0bNr5WpRdRvO1kqbrEcDQfXuAkcS89G48UrZtMptNTwk+UzYcoQsJNk1yaZO5tmzan6FKehzfPWn7VvEVKTCthSRK4YJsr45oZafgfwLxR1dibBj54SWPpMqiWb7UAF4c=; Received: from [69.238.20.145] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:35:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <555943.89527.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b73d199-8645-4eb2-a0e2-b4b8dab77e98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48900BC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:35:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Robin, I would be interested, tho it depends on when and where in L.A. I am in Central CA, so a northern CA trip in the future would also be of value, especially to my Barony people who can and do travel to both parts of the state. Kimiko --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Robin Netherton wrote: > -- I have been approached for a possible appearance in the > Los Angeles area, > early in 2009. This, too, would be a full day consisting of > five lectures, > similar to the above, though probably with some slight > variation in the > lecture lineup. The organizer would like to get a sense of > how much interest > there is so she can choose a suitable venue. If you think > you might want to > attend, please let her know. You can post here and I'll > pass the word along, > or contact her directly (with a copy to me, please): Kerri, > at > bkmorin@socal.rr.com > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 05:47:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6U9lgp0004197 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:47:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6U9lY5J009758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:47:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6U9lH8R047333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U9lERr066176; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U9lBBr066091 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.c10.3e38de01 (29673) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:47:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a10302e0-06c4-4726-a944-6bdf194e4c49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489038B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not aware of any real research into hosen and linings from earlier than the 16th century. I'm not aware of any extant hosen (other than the buskins in Canturbury Cathedral, obviusly, but they're 12th century (offhand)). I don't tend to line the ones I make, because the lining would need to have the same stretch as the outer wool, and I've never found anything that works well without ripping out (naturally, I won't use modern stretch fabrics). The only area I line is the part at the waist where the points sit - that for strength. If looking for a pattern, and info on how to make them, I'd recommend The Tudor Tailor - the ones that Ninya shows are cut the same as earlier conjoined hosen, and she gives detailed direction on the fitting. All this is assuming that you mean joined hose of course. In a message dated 29/07/2008 17:02:47 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] Hose lining To: h-costume Message-ID: <324856.52947.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm solving a little problem, the lining in joined hose in the 15th century in general. Was there any - if yes, how did it look, did it cover the whole hose, how often one could see hose with lining and hose without - and also was there lining in hose in earlier periods? I could only find something in Adrien Harmand's book, but my French is not excellent and I'm not sure whether I understand everything... If there was a thread on this topic, please point me to it by telling me the name of the subject:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 10:49:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UEnsi4031186 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:49:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UEnlkU025883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UEi8MC063422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UEi5bk010579; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (magilla.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UEi1ko010504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1KOCtS-0000g6-Ua for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36fc4021-1d9a-45e4-889e-52b3af9b60a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48907F8B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The account of the Martin Guerre trial mentions white hose lined with white taffeta. The account was published in 1572 (translation here: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/hgarrett/documents/coras.htm). Jen/pixel/Margaret On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > I'm not aware of any real research into hosen and linings from earlier than > the 16th century. > > I'm not aware of any extant hosen (other than the buskins in Canturbury > Cathedral, obviusly, but they're 12th century (offhand)). > > I don't tend to line the ones I make, because the lining would need to have > the same stretch as the outer wool, and I've never found anything that works > well without ripping out (naturally, I won't use modern stretch fabrics). > The only area I line is the part at the waist where the points sit - that for > strength. > > If looking for a pattern, and info on how to make them, I'd recommend The > Tudor Tailor - the ones that Ninya shows are cut the same as earlier conjoined > hosen, and she gives detailed direction on the fitting. > > All this is assuming that you mean joined hose of course. > > > > > > In a message dated 29/07/2008 17:02:47 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: Zuzana Kraemerova > Subject: [h-cost] Hose lining > To: h-costume > Message-ID: <324856.52947.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > I'm solving a little problem, the lining in joined hose in the 15th century > in general. Was there any - if yes, how did it look, did it cover the whole > hose, how often one could see hose with lining and hose without - and also was > there lining in hose in earlier periods? I could only find something in > Adrien Harmand's book, but my French is not excellent and I'm not sure whether I > understand everything... > > If there was a thread on this topic, please point me to it by telling me the > name of the subject:-) > > Zuzana > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 12:50:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UGo57d003577 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:50:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UGnviP018951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UGmCTN073491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UGhpN1040184; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UGhnWn040153 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so19418ana.65 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+bJZV9VdxUARYDd2DhaUvdEVGLXHGqHM827rMAuWXWo=; b=E3fjOax02RnyQx7JS7XHnoFke1nIBAk2feox1sgK+zepkL1KxRxQNQQoG55NHjFA9E KBP9R6ObODEZ9uwW4n5LR3e205ALzF8rc5icFhlizrDgGjeU0xjP7svRQX65vI08aK8L d22nBJqsDhXOpWtR44x+yV9SJ+Se2cRTlulGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cV3NsRkJw2SjUGO1WIbuYv25rwV3ZgfrVnvT2iVTILqFBjYlbZFkuywcWDsbFXsEZY Zpv6pCLFKFq3+0Xluu0x275HFWMHJQw2K+aP3bRy5VJgy0Wy2bREDhLnIndpd0J3HZj8 2DL/u5+PVjjxMxMJAMnthpAIjOote98GTOoxc= Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr13181299ang.1.1217436228932; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:43:48 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18ee7013-33b8-4759-96e9-ef166f53d5dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48909BB5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You have to remember that "hose" is the word for all sorts of things from trunk hose to "tights". Sometimes it just means "pants", like venetians or slops. The sentence is question is "he said to her, Go fetch me the white hose lined with white taffeta which I left In a certain chest when I went away." That to me means trunk hose.. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Pixel, Goddess and Queen < pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com> wrote: > > The account of the Martin Guerre trial mentions white hose lined with white > taffeta. The account was published in 1572 (translation here: > http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/hgarrett/documents/coras.htm). > > Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback. CANADIAN readers may want to use http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 15:32:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UJWfUp009702 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:32:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UJWZw0001009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UJVoU2086623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UJJesG014431; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UJJaF1014272 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wJQc1Z01D0b6N64A8KKXhl; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:19:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wKKW1Z00L4jAXBL8PKKXb6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:19:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ci2TvOcvjl8A:10 a=scnUmRT79kUA:10 a=0-Bp5Nlla_qKS856jPcA:9 a=yGe16Y6xI2IMBe8_xWoA:9 a=pL9YlSA401b5dlUo82BtZrysjdgA:4 a=7Wnilqlf9zYA:10 a=BjCMj3f9L9QA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <488EAC1E.4020306@netherton.net> Message-Id: <102E45A4-7A9F-4D81-B9B3-323727259FEE@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:16:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. 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(If gas is less than $10 a gallon by then, that is) Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 18:06:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UM69mv017004 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UM63Ru030729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UM5TPD098197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UM5QmQ091670; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6UM5Mtl091524 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 22:05:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XchR3yDpKh9LqX6aAYXWuoAP90x0w05RrxGvCTLAoB6n+JBhxqwA6lZOUncvodJf4aJw1kPN8CFOIl8dfNGqp04RbJIypb1FSJHxkJP0nKSEi3SN8O0hgO3SwPymGfZ6o8P9JJbgu0TgDfyNEZ75MpSKMJoyOmKoG2j5WvO8yeg=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:05:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <286814.70198.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01db0c63-4ad1-418d-a81b-0b6c0a14a052 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4890E5CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I don't tend to line the ones I make, because the > lining would need to have > the same stretch as the outer wool, and I've never > found anything that works > well without ripping out (naturally, I won't use modern > stretch fabrics). > The only area I line is the part at the waist where the > points sit... Yes, that's exactly my problem, too. My question was purely theoretical. I know Ninya Mikhaila's fitting method, I do it more or less the same, but I still have a lot of trouble, especially when fitting over the pelvis. When it fits snugly when standing, it will pull too much when sitting...and when it's ok while sitting, it makes an awful lot of bulk when standing. Thank you all for the information. I would be thankful to Melanie if she would look some exact pictures up sometime, because my collection of manuscripts is very poor:-( Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 18:48:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UMmg6M018717 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UMmWSs013879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UMm8VQ001088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UMm6sU033721; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m6UMm22B033599 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.255.188?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.45.255.188 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 22:47:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: axCvNI4VM1nC_sbABXHnFUWKVt2uEswCSU.K_q6TGojRb_exrDEZ3HiBdL0BSoBayyNSIMPSP2oGC_FBGWaA0AFjGSLTexyvRYscyGWLM8qwdF3ZbaHTWGk1dedHmws- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <286814.70198.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286814.70198.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:49:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 028795fd-45fd-4f94-8bd8-8092b774d49f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4890EFC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ > Image:Piero_della_Francesca_016.jpg. I would be thankful to Melanie > if she would look some exact pictures up sometime, because my > collection of manuscripts is very poor:-( As I said before, they're not joined hose, but you can see the partial lining at the top and the holes for points (lacing) very clearly. This is from Piero della Francesca's fresco cycle of the Legend of the True Cross in the San Frencesco choir chapel in Arezzo, Italy. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Piero_della_Francesca_016.jpg There's also St. Roch by Carpaccio in the Carrara Gallery, Bergamo. You can't tell how far down the lining goes, though. http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/crivelli-st-roch-wallace.jpg I thought that one of Pisanello's hanged men also showed hose lining, but alas it does not. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 30 19:08:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UN8e1l019598 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UN8YcX013982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:08:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UN8GDt002599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UN8FPb053024; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UN8BmY052957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (port=12733 helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOKm9-0005fU-OD for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:08:09 +0100 Message-ID: <2D66DC452C64404998419367DC744EF5@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:09:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] C18th and C19th Accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bb42468-c128-4299-9bd6-99cc17871caf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4890F472.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:08:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Dressing History Shop is now online at http://www.dressing-history.co.uk/shop . It provides a range of accurate C18th and C19th accessories, including bonnets, stockings, silk ribbon and hand made mitts, as well as many other unique or hard to find products. We will also have a stall at the Jane Austen Festival later this year, selling our 1790 to 1817 products. I hope that our products will be of interest to you, Serena Serena Dyer Dressing History Bedfordshire, UK 01767 640199 serena@dressing-history.co.uk http://www.dressing-history.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 31 00:14:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6V4EjuG029364 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:14:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6V4EdI8018614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:14:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6V4ECUF019147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6V4E7mT067386; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6V4E5h7067294 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n9wJGohlJYNzAxy2V3+c8rUkL/pJNGoIcDayrdUxy7SXywanbQvDnwWhK0NvWeRp; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.170.56] (helo=[10.0.1.199]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KOPY7-0006oM-Ie for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:13:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Heather Rose Jones Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:24:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478424b1a4f98afe623a9335c72e950e6eed275769e6fa22d5d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.170.56 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28ad0c0b-e55d-43bf-ab8b-29e80742d3da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48913C2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:47 AM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > I'm not aware of any real research into hosen and linings from > earlier than > the 16th century. > > I'm not aware of any extant hosen (other than the buskins in > Canturbury > Cathedral, obviusly, but they're 12th century (offhand)). > > All this is assuming that you mean joined hose of course. In terms of joined hose, I've only cataloged one pair earlier than the 16th century -- I don't have my full notes in front of me at the moment, but they're in one of the German museum photo collections and are listed as 15th c. While the two legs are joined at the waistband, they aren't joined across the seat. The photo doesn't appear to show a lining, but I don't know what the preservation conditions were -- a linen lining might be lost under many conditions where the main fabric was preserved. On the larger question of extant hose -- if we include anything from buskins on up -- I have a couple dozen items in my current catalog from the general 8-15th century period. About half of them are ecclesiastical in origin, but during that period they seem to be roughly similar in cut to the secular garments. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 31 13:25:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VHPjBw019996 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VHPdYB031869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6VHKAHJ058407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHK7wd071003; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHK5Up070960 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so136589ana.65 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:20:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qCPOAnAuDMtsfhXNG57I5r33Q0//e+SK21u2lN3yK2Y=; b=b7h0HGjXQwwxeyyAfBcNejq4eaBtHgFEbOpwSelTLMn+XHj+TldzeGr821WpHs4woq pu7wDHRRLo/2i45yGprs3pH2rShwvM+s1sE69tSIc7GAlFnaEfC9W0VE3xI8KZ2S6oPs BWN6pTwnGaZqAPejcZyFc5UOOXcydY+ljq2cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Ub7Xq1jVNs0MSIhoOJUj0U02HjFMTdT3aLMbXgCbQDmuPsXat/tj8w1MH0JZgUorGa n8ln+OtC0QPVVBEwkg/eA8qSeW7g3QIolp551tx7i74I1cPxYbH6xKemNMymseEcaveP XRr6uBZ7lw8SJ5p4so/tj0ytJISkGK8M1aW7Y= Received: by 10.100.212.6 with SMTP id k6mr15114307ang.142.1217524804982; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:20:04 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e065b3f4-d802-418c-bf6f-437565b5434c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4891F593.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_SC_SURBL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Some good 15th century stuff here. http://www.historiclife.com/pdf/KASF2008/15thCenturyArcher.pdf The hosen start on page 15. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Heather Rose Jones < heather.jones@earthlink.net> wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:47 AM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > >> I'm not aware of any real research into hosen and linings from earlier >> than >> the 16th century. >> >> I'm not aware of any extant hosen (other than the buskins in Canturbury >> Cathedral, obviusly, but they're 12th century (offhand)). >> > > > > >> All this is assuming that you mean joined hose of course. >> > > In terms of joined hose, I've only cataloged one pair earlier than the 16th > century -- I don't have my full notes in front of me at the moment, but > they're in one of the German museum photo collections and are listed as 15th > c. While the two legs are joined at the waistband, they aren't joined > across the seat. The photo doesn't appear to show a lining, but I don't > know what the preservation conditions were -- a linen lining might be lost > under many conditions where the main fabric was preserved. > > On the larger question of extant hose -- if we include anything from > buskins on up -- I have a couple dozen items in my current catalog from the > general 8-15th century period. About half of them are ecclesiastical in > origin, but during that period they seem to be roughly similar in cut to the > secular garments. > > Heather > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback. CANADIAN readers may want to use http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 31 13:41:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VHfJjS020697 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VHfDY3032283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6VHex5T060013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHexdM091717; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHeu1c091591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-102-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.102.11]:1175 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOc8x-0001Fv-BT for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080731184020.03b86608@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:40:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hose lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7659c2b2-5e40-4280-8f8b-74f21dd6e8cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4891F939.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_SC_SURBL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:20 31/07/2008, you wrote: >Some good 15th century stuff here. >http://www.historiclife.com/pdf/KASF2008/15thCenturyArcher.pdf > >The hosen start on page 15. Very interesting site - thanks for posting. Suzi >On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Heather Rose Jones < >heather.jones@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:47 AM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> I'm not aware of any real research into hosen and linings from earlier > >> than > >> the 16th century. > >> > >> I'm not aware of any extant hosen (other than the buskins in Canturbury > >> Cathedral, obviusly, but they're 12th century (offhand)). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> All this is assuming that you mean joined hose of course. > >> > > > > In terms of joined hose, I've only cataloged one pair earlier than the 16th > > century -- I don't have my full notes in front of me at the moment, but > > they're in one of the German museum photo collections and are > listed as 15th > > c. While the two legs are joined at the waistband, they aren't joined > > across the seat. The photo doesn't appear to show a lining, but I don't > > know what the preservation conditions were -- a linen lining might be lost > > under many conditions where the main fabric was preserved. > > > > On the larger question of extant hose -- if we include anything from > > buskins on up -- I have a couple dozen items in my current catalog from the > > general 8-15th century period. About half of them are ecclesiastical in > > origin, but during that period they seem to be roughly similar in > cut to the > > secular garments. > > > > Heather > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- >Maggie Secara >~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 >ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 >Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback. >CANADIAN readers may want to use >http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 31 19:20:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VNKSVl001207 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:20:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VNKNDx009010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:20:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6VNEqOW084245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VNEn1G017945; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VNEmud017916 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so171056anc.85 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Rcd4gC4Ou6nb0WGk+7I7o1DYiUfU5I2km/QGewE1vIk=; b=fnZNzBuXooWMLaXx8e5ysQWCOgFRGDlGXrKcXadW5Ue0VpZrlGYm0sOGp02ET3qUsf SobpzPGKUv2dEn39ipogIn2pTwx4niPuvFxJ/vmujCKEDm+baOpnn54D1Vcn1guQOpUh yuLqG/UlamxOdCKNSSDY0NliJxjEsacv86RoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=noMANgGTOb+ptvi08KuUMOP8Z6ht8FUovAMoGgeFdzdzymMe83i31rw3WpvGI+IIvi rQmdDqA54xa25dxN+tQJE4tmYwmWJ/vJcIFR0H1qzn3Bg5jWaEOKO3UZBvM50RAAHFpd jCdS67ZA+0M36DcQJU21FcWcSpJrazcCMjplk= Received: by 10.100.41.4 with SMTP id o4mr15768790ano.34.1217546087790; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.33.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:14:47 -0700 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. 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I'm in for L.A. Regina (who says the Irish are out of style...for the 1460's) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume