From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 31 20:19:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m710JBBT003553 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m710J6Gr028932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m710Ipxo087284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m710InRi061154; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m710Ii27061088 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8335168B3B for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:18:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-219.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-219.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.219]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:18:43 +1000 Message-ID: <1217549923.489256631cbc6@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:18:43 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Titles (was Hose lining) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b0f4354-beae-48eb-99a2-61fdd26006e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4892567A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 13:47:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m71HltTW002979 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:47:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71HlnTY031756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:47:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m71HlQXb054940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71HlNtA050093; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw2.mccc.edu (pptgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71HlIA1049903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw2.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m71CCinm013830 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:12:44 -0700 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K4X00GAWO2MMQ80@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kate Pinner To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <1217549923.489256631cbc6@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47:09 -0400 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-reply-to: <1217549923.489256631cbc6@webmail.netspace.net.au> Thread-index: AcjzbDTsTk1N/BW8S1uIhx108FrRWgAjifJQ X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5351 signatures=436613 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Need help Norway 1879-1890 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85e52b62-a755-43ba-8329-9d1c3381c345 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48934C46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:37:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m71Ibqfe004554 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:37:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71Ibkkw014813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:37:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m71IbH6d059030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71IbGTA003796; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71IbCQo003607 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.63]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080801183707.QTJP13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:37:07 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.63]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080801183706.OWSR23687.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:37:06 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:35:01 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080801183706.OWSR23687.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help Norway 1879-1890 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 206be94a-5619-4d5b-8027-550aa6a0bd1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489357FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:37:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Even though these are from Denmark, you might find them of use: http://www.dragt.dk/dragt-journal/dragtjournalen.html Beth At 01:00 PM 8/1/2008, Kate wrote: >Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47:09 -0400 >From: Kate Pinner > >I will be doing Ibsen's "Doll's House" and "Hedda Gabler" this fall and need >pictorial sources for fashions in 19th cent. Norway. "Doll's House" is 1879 >and "Hedda" is 1890. Was Norway doing the same stuff as America & Western >Europe? Colors? Fabrics? Any and all help would be appreciated! > (Also would like to know about the interior archecture of the times as I >have to do the set, too.) > >Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 15:40:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m71Jeqad006019 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71Jel58012941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m71JeSi4063772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71JeRqe071045; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71JeOxe071006 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CF63BAA6 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:40:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help Norway 1879-1890 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6437e744-f34d-4271-a96e-0e46d57658a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489366BF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:40:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thought this is a wee bit late http://www.amazon.com/Style-Splendor-Wardrobe-Norway-1896-1938/dp/1851774548 I would say from this that they were somewhat up of the style. Queen Maude V&A http://tinyurl.com/5foc7r -----Original Message----- I will be doing Ibsen's "Doll's House" and "Hedda Gabler" this fall and need pictorial sources for fashions in 19th cent. Norway. "Doll's House" is 1879 and "Hedda" is 1890. Was Norway doing the same stuff as America & Western Europe? Colors? Fabrics? Any and all help would be appreciated! (Also would like to know about the interior archecture of the times as I have to do the set, too.) Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 16:51:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m71KpK2o009007 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:51:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71KpCOb024427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m71Kof6k072167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71KocPE049364; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71KoYs3049206 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.bf4.315e2065 (48600) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:50:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help Norway 1879-1890 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d141daaa-d6de-4b02-b24f-c252076bc71d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48937740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/1/2008 2:37:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bmatney@alltel.net writes: I will be doing Ibsen's "Doll's House" and "Hedda Gabler" *************** Two of my favorite plays ever! The class of people you are dealing with here would be fashionable along the lines of the rest of Europe. But of course it's fun and appropriate to include "regional" details. When I did "Doll's House" I used a lot of forest green wool on Nora's 1st outfit. And as her dilemma progresses, I had her start overdressing, dressing for her husband...his "little squirrel" or whatever he calls her. Things got more girly and ruffled and fringed. Then by the time Nora comes around, she's dressed up in her fancy dress outfit....a costumey Italian Peasant outfit to dance the Tarantella in and Torvald is in evening wear. I thought of it as a sorta Don Giovanni moment, she the "peasant wench" being patronized by the upper class man.... and she realizes it. Then for her big exit, she's back to the sober clothes of the beginning [I used the same coat she wore when she came in from shopping in Act One.] I'm sorry....I didn't mean to tell you how to design the show, but I love this play and was very pleased with my results when I did it...so I'll share.... **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:05:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7625pDs014915 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:05:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7625jkn023113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7625COc051527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m762573L041684; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m76254XS041577 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W4 ([65.55.138.39]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.198.165] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:04:59 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2008 02:04:59.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4887030:01C8F768] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b06acae-82ec-47a0-8626-7971ca5ba2c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489906F9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:05:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am watching a program on the Koran, and see several types of men's head dress. One with a white cloth and then a black "rope" circlet of two rounds. It looks like marine rope, but this seems unlikely. Anyone know anything about it? Also, there are some simple turban like head dress, both simply white and black....anyone know how to wrap them? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 23:27:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m763R8KF017958 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:27:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m763R3fK029630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:27:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m763Qcah059279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m763QaeC004070; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m763QXJh003986 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEFC135DCA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:26:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <489927DA.4080906@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:26:02 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9364ec2d-57c5-433c-b240-4c4aafe72208 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48991A07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:27:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I am watching a program on the Koran, and see several types of men's head dress. One with a white cloth and then a black "rope" circlet of two rounds. It looks like marine rope, but this seems unlikely. Anyone know anything about it? Also, there are some simple turban like head dress, both simply white and black....anyone know how to wrap them? The red and white, or black and white checkered scarves are called kaffiyeh. The rope bands that hold them in place are called agal. There are many ways to wear the keffiyeh, the color and they way it is wrapped often depend on the wearer's nationality or ethnic origin. They are only worn by men. The simplest way to wear one is to fold it in half to make a triangle, and drape it with the folded edge across the forehead. My father brought one home as a souvenier from working in Saudi Arabia many years ago. The plain black and plain white turbans are made from very long lengths of narrow woven cotton. My husband works with a man who wears one. He graciously allowed me to borrow one for a few days. The cotton was very thin, and I was told the way to wear it was to just start wrapping it around your head until you got it all covered. It was horrendously long, but I forget how many yards. I suppose if you grow up in that culture you learn some tricks to wrapping it so it looks nice. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 01:45:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m765j3ZK023520 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:45:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m765iwi1015525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:45:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m765iSEu077798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m765iO9R004251; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m765iLou004163 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKUQSYAZR5YFA for (sender ); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsstdJMH8p7PTX/gvR/Yy6LWk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRVXQR9H; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:43:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20080805.224256.2916.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-51 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 19:9:3311856422 X-MAIL-INFO: 3fed402140c4307dc43019553019e1c959a951397524a9946125753594c11dd094d4f465edbdedd15d19dd30ed55 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 019bb62b-a0a9-4ec3-befd-78ddeb1d3168 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48993A5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:45:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There was an interesting article in an issue of TI last year about how to wrap turbans, with pics. Arlys On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:26:02 -0600 Dawn writes: > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > I am watching a program on the Koran, and see several types of > men's head dress. One with a white cloth and then a black "rope" > circlet of two rounds. It looks like marine rope, but this seems > unlikely. Anyone know anything about it? Also, there are some > simple turban like head dress, both simply white and black....anyone > know how to wrap them? > > The red and white, or black and white checkered scarves are called > kaffiyeh. The rope bands that hold them in place are called agal. > There > are many ways to wear the keffiyeh, the color and they way it is > wrapped > often depend on the wearer's nationality or ethnic origin. They are > only > worn by men. The simplest way to wear one is to fold it in half to > make > a triangle, and drape it with the folded edge across the forehead. > My > father brought one home as a souvenier from working in Saudi Arabia > many > years ago. > The plain black and plain white turbans are made from very long > lengths > of narrow woven cotton. My husband works with a man who wears one. > He > graciously allowed me to borrow one for a few days. The cotton was > very > thin, and I was told the way to wear it was to just start wrapping > it > around your head until you got it all covered. It was horrendously > long, > but I forget how many yards. I suppose if you grow up in that > culture > you learn some tricks to wrapping it so it looks nice. > > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ What's the best for Internet Security? Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWr18RoVRMCT0MnNlYUmMRac1D3xo8nQllrypJf4TOhFc8/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 10:26:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m76EQ3IU028486 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m76EPvM8004522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m76EPVFS013705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:25:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m76EPSR7070477; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m76EPQQK070366 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:25:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.50]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:25:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:25:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:25:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2008 14:25:20.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[416FE6D0:01C8F7D0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25d6e141-4cd4-42ea-9ebd-3770155a10a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4899B475.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Turbans are very easy to wrap once you get the right fabric for them, I use two different methods to wrap mine, and you can get a multitude of looks depending on how you twist the fabric as you wrap. I have two turbans, both are a very lightweight cotton (almost gauze) and the shortest one is two and a half meters long - it makes a very skimpy turban. I can see about getting some pictures to show you how I wrap them - folks ask me about this on a regular basis, so its something I should do anyway. :0) Visual is easier to figure out than descriptive I think... Sheridan P >From: Saragrace Knauf >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume@indra.com" >Subject: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:04:59 -0700 > >I am watching a program on the Koran, and see several types of men's head >dress. One with a white cloth and then a black "rope" circlet of two >rounds. It looks like marine rope, but this seems unlikely. Anyone know >anything about it? Also, there are some simple turban like head dress, >both simply white and black....anyone know how to wrap them? > >Thanks, >Sg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 12:04:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m76G4fD1031203 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:04:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m76G4UsP004939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m76G43xA021470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m76G41rA079635; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m76G3wjc079482 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W29 ([65.55.138.64]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.198.165] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:03:52 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2008 16:03:53.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[05B9EB50:01C8F7DE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8500f10b-f9d8-415c-8038-8d7311afc6a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4899CB8E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:04:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks to all who have responded and Sheridan I would really like to see your process. I remember vaguely reading the article in TI...have to look that up again. I wish I could have recorded and shown you which turban i was particularly interested in. It was white and it almost looked like the fabric had been pleated into neat rows around the head. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:31:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m770Vb1Q016692 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:31:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m770VVm0028628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m770V6SJ055778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m770V2hb097077; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m770UwEF097032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB8249E3 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <489A4240.1010704@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:30:56 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] WARNING: "Wife Swap" looking for Historical Costumers to be on their program X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75114d78-d6d4-47b0-a001-b048febd8084 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489A4263.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi H-Costume, I have just received a note from the Wife Swap team looking for = historical costumers to be on their reality TV show. I expect others are = receiving this as well. Treat this with extreme skepticism. Short story: They canvassed for historical re-creationists in January of = 2005, found one family in the SCA, and proceeded to do a completely = slanted treatment of their home life. Do not fall for this seemingly = innocent ploy. They are no friend to the historic interest community. Feel free to forward this email to whomever you like. Details below. ................... The 2005 message sounded very sympathetic and sincere; here's the copy I = recieved: > > My name is Kevin Cronan and I'm producing a television show for ABC = > network examining the relationships between parents and children. = > We're trying to find stories where children share interests, or don't = > share interests of the parents. > > I thought it might be productive to contact members of the SCA. I'm = > looking to talk to teenagers and young adults who share or hate their = > parents' passion for medieval recreation. We're looking to keep this = > light, so I'm not looking for stories where these interests have = > caused deep divide within the family. > > If you can think of anyone I should talk to please pass along my = > e-mail address or e-mail > me with their contact information. I appreciate your time and = > generosity. My e-mail address is: (etc) The blurb for the TV show itself, and the hack job they did on an = apparently fairly normal family who went to SCA events can be read here: = http://tribes.tribe.net/askwildcat/thread/134cdb0d-e7b4-4b0d-8bd8-7bec0c7ac= 9dd = *Note* this is the exact show that they were casting with the letter = above. I and some friends tracked Mr. Cronan down via the web as part of = the key team for getting applications to Wife Swap. Portraying anyone outside the mainstream as complete nutcases is the way = they do business; it wouldn't be dramatic for their audience any other = way. We've already discussed on this list the needless drama with the = various Historic House series, and how they chose people completely = unsuited and unprepared for living in a historic manner. This is a = different team, but it's the same idea. Here's a note about a neopagan family's treatment on Wife Swap: = http://www.wildhunt.org/labels/Wife%20Swap.html Here is the most recent missive from the Wife Swap team: > ABC Primetime show casting Historical Costume Enthusiasts! > > Hello, my name is Vaia Abatzis and I=92m a casting producer for ABC's = > hit show, "Wife Swap." I am holding a nation-wide casting call to find = > fun and outgoing costume enthusiasts along with their family. > > I'm looking for people who love to dance, and enjoy sharing their = > hobby with their families. I'm hoping to find families who are = > passionate about their hobby, and who feel that they have a lot to = > teach another family through their own professional and personal = > experiences. > > If you have seen the show, you know we pride ourselves on casting a = > wide array of families from all different walks of life who would like = > the opportunity to educate the viewing audience about their particular = > parenting philosophy, their beliefs and their way of life. > > Families must consist of two parents and at least one child over the = > age of 5. Families who appear on the show receive a $20,000 honorarium = > and if you refer a family who appears on our show, you will receive a = > $1,000 finder's fee PER family. > > If you are unfamiliar with the show, the premise of Wife Swap is to = > take two different families and have the moms switch places to = > experience how another family lives. This is meant to be a positive = > experience for people to not only learn but teach other ways of life. = > If you would like more information about the show, go to ABC.com and = > you will find "Wife Swap" under the primetime listings. > > If you are interested, please contact me at the office ASAP at = > [number] or e-mail your phone number to [email] and I will call you = > directly. > > Feel free to forward this on to anyone you believe would be interested. > > Thank You, > Vaia Abatzis > Casting Producer|Wife Swap I encourage anyone even remotely interested in this to do very, very = thorough research on the treatment of creative people and unconventional = people before responding to Ms. Abatzis. Regards, Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:31:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m771Vrvm019296 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:31:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m771VmpA015295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m771VPsZ059002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m771VNds040706; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m771VJbi040602 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5043 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 01:31:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vZ/1kOfwrshQARJGtTtPNrSAPBEF3mcIvX6RlLqtN9+vbfaZZ5EdgjDEWMqWA4YJb8xu2NJ48siWjWHaaHEwgI2ifBHna29MBtFBgtHXjQx6tadAhromZbw0B45er3SDvxpfAmzpwzamWcTlZN7nTgFpFbkK+Lc6anskJZ6FFkA=; Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:31:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f78b3f94-6fd9-48de-a087-7e5a2edf482a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489A5084.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:31:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; I don't know what it's really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a giveaway). Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 22:10:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m772AomT020304 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:10:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m772AinU016515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:10:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m772AMuK061254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m772AL7A068210; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m772AI3A068169 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 12689 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 19:10:19 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 12652, pid: 12686, t: 0.4713s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 19:10:18 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:11:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c8f832$d70918d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <489A4240.1010704@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj4JWdDNo2S0FcWT6KTRJ1zrqYSwQADTD0g X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] WARNING: "Wife Swap" looking for Historical Costumers to be on their program X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cd2ad0d-7a7c-4e66-be91-54bf5602d948 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489A59A4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:10:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ugh, I hate "reality" TV! Who wants a complete stranger in their house, living with their family and the whole thing on TV for the whole world to see.... They are just looking for something they don't consider "normal" or "mainstream" to sensationalize and basically make fun of. Thanks for the heads up... . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| unicorn@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] WARNING: "Wife Swap" looking for Historical Costumers to be on their program Hi H-Costume, I have just received a note from the Wife Swap team looking for historical costumers to be on their reality TV show. I expect others are receiving this as well. Treat this with extreme skepticism. Short story: They canvassed for historical re-creationists in January of 2005, found one family in the SCA, and proceeded to do a completely slanted treatment of their home life. Do not fall for this seemingly innocent ploy. They are no friend to the historic interest community. Feel free to forward this email to whomever you like. Details below. ................... The 2005 message sounded very sympathetic and sincere; here's the copy I recieved: > > My name is Kevin Cronan and I'm producing a television show for ABC > network examining the relationships between parents and children. > We're trying to find stories where children share interests, or don't > share interests of the parents. > > I thought it might be productive to contact members of the SCA. I'm > looking to talk to teenagers and young adults who share or hate their > parents' passion for medieval recreation. We're looking to keep this > light, so I'm not looking for stories where these interests have > caused deep divide within the family. > > If you can think of anyone I should talk to please pass along my > e-mail address or e-mail > me with their contact information. I appreciate your time and > generosity. My e-mail address is: (etc) The blurb for the TV show itself, and the hack job they did on an apparently fairly normal family who went to SCA events can be read here: http://tribes.tribe.net/askwildcat/thread/134cdb0d-e7b4-4b0d-8bd8-7bec0c7ac9 dd *Note* this is the exact show that they were casting with the letter above. I and some friends tracked Mr. Cronan down via the web as part of the key team for getting applications to Wife Swap. Portraying anyone outside the mainstream as complete nutcases is the way they do business; it wouldn't be dramatic for their audience any other way. We've already discussed on this list the needless drama with the various Historic House series, and how they chose people completely unsuited and unprepared for living in a historic manner. This is a different team, but it's the same idea. Here's a note about a neopagan family's treatment on Wife Swap: http://www.wildhunt.org/labels/Wife%20Swap.html Here is the most recent missive from the Wife Swap team: > ABC Primetime show casting Historical Costume Enthusiasts! > > Hello, my name is Vaia Abatzis and I'm a casting producer for ABC's > hit show, "Wife Swap." I am holding a nation-wide casting call to find > fun and outgoing costume enthusiasts along with their family. > > I'm looking for people who love to dance, and enjoy sharing their > hobby with their families. I'm hoping to find families who are > passionate about their hobby, and who feel that they have a lot to > teach another family through their own professional and personal > experiences. > > If you have seen the show, you know we pride ourselves on casting a > wide array of families from all different walks of life who would like > the opportunity to educate the viewing audience about their particular > parenting philosophy, their beliefs and their way of life. > > Families must consist of two parents and at least one child over the > age of 5. Families who appear on the show receive a $20,000 honorarium > and if you refer a family who appears on our show, you will receive a > $1,000 finder's fee PER family. > > If you are unfamiliar with the show, the premise of Wife Swap is to > take two different families and have the moms switch places to > experience how another family lives. This is meant to be a positive > experience for people to not only learn but teach other ways of life. > If you would like more information about the show, go to ABC.com and > you will find "Wife Swap" under the primetime listings. > > If you are interested, please contact me at the office ASAP at > [number] or e-mail your phone number to [email] and I will call you > directly. > > Feel free to forward this on to anyone you believe would be interested. > > Thank You, > Vaia Abatzis > Casting Producer|Wife Swap I encourage anyone even remotely interested in this to do very, very thorough research on the treatment of creative people and unconventional people before responding to Ms. Abatzis. Regards, Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 00:37:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m774bU67024981 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:37:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m774bO85003525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:37:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m774anas067360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m774akjx063426; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m774ahcK063388 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200808070436.m774ahcK063388@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 25968 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 21:36:44 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25965, pid: 25966, t: 0.0261s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp2 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 21:36:44 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:35:24 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5b8f3c7-57c3-41a8-9c84-393d77d14abb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489A7C04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For those of you who want to use a firmly woven wool for your outfit, I recommend gabardine. Here's the direct link to the sale page: http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric-wool-gabardine-fabric.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-8/04/08%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20day-_-Thursday >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:01:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Fabric.com" >Subject: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > >This message was sent to joanmj@surewest.net. > >[] > > >Fabric.com Deal of the Day > > >[] > > >40% Off Wool Gabardine > >Thursday 08/07/08 > >Special pricing now through midnight Eastern Time > >Sale Price: >[] >5.99 yd > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Regular: >[] >9.98 yd > >Compare at: >[] >14.99 yd > >Wool gabardine is a wonderfully resilient, tightly woven fabric. >Gabardine is considered an easy care fabric because of its strength >and resistance to wrinkling. This natural fiber can be worn >throughout the year. Wool gabardine is perfect for skirts, pants and >jackets. 100% wool, 56'' wide > >Shop Now > Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 02:40:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m776eYS1012694 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:40:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m776eT1L032346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m776dwY5071599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:39:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m776du8h033939; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1f.socket.net [216.106.88.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m776dqgR033886 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C9553BBE2 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:39:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3586f5070807180458w696e447hc72702d81e4f5763@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8550621-eb58-4e87-83ae-ee5fb127ac35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489A98DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Today I was informed that since things have settled down, Wal-Mart feels it is safe to go ahead with it's plan to get rid of their fabrics. New Stores will not have the fabric dept. Some stores will phase out the fabric dept. and a few will have 2 and 3 yard pieces for sale. I was told at one store that they will no longer be ordering for the $1.00 table. They have already stopped ordering replacement of many of their non sale fabrics, like satin. So if you have a Wal-Mart with a fabric department it will probably go bye bye by January 2009. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 06:23:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77ANPtW012828 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:23:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77ANEsX021279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:23:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77AMq0f080008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77AMnhl066993; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77AMkYQ066886 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c27.41d99767 (42808) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:22:35 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd325372-1cfd-4f88-9b76-c017162a3a2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489ACD12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/7/2008 2:40:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Today I was informed that since things have settled down, Wal-Mart feels it is safe to go ahead with it's plan to get rid of their fabrics. Our local Wal-Mart opened without one, and doesn't even carry much in the way of notions. Anyway, a letter-writing campaign may be in order to save what is left. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 08:32:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77CWiof031391 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:32:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77CWdPM031202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:32:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77CW7e1084542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:32:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77CW5oD051404; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77CW2uh051360 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6F603E918 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:32:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a0fd1e1-5661-4089-a722-b6ddc38e8e78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489AEB67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:32:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here you will find a contact us in the upper right hand corner. http://walmartstores.com/ De -----Original Message----- Our local Wal-Mart opened without one, and doesn't even carry much in the way of notions. Anyway, a letter-writing campaign may be in order to save what is left. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 08:43:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77Chn89031683 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:43:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77ChhJd023181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:43:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77ChOc3085270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77ChOoT059588; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77ChLec059527 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 08:43:21 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id KDZ50841; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 71-89-2-53.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([71.89.2.53]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 08:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <489AEDE7.5070505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:43:19 -0400 From: Brangwyne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080806-0, 08/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa033971-aa76-48ca-bee5-778f165c74c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489AEE00.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Up here in Chicopee MA it's already gone. I haven't checked the other three local WalMarts. Starr otsisto wrote: > So if you have a Wal-Mart with a fabric department it will probably go bye > bye by January 2009. > > De > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:09:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77D9BVf032360 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:09:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77D8fbw023822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77D86hr086414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77D85Kh077691; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77D8225077517 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89914 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 13:07:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=F6DUXto9mp2YHf8Le92QbVdwgxZm53YNJFQ6Wck04GiVDfNvxQeBNTt+Ks2rQWVdo16IWd+Ar+tHC6+WbHVWKfcl+WmNqAjoJpUvsOaTtW/ou4PrALNKRGwPO8vaRFyY+2cSVoDdjVH5i2SEE5zu109fREShSW+CrQfF3jlJrTA=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:07:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc75c444-0a42-4836-9680-17a479b7bb00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489AF3D9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:09:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any special area of interest, so Florence or England are both interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? Thanks, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:37:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77DbsI4000873 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:37:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Dbghh008556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77DbH9f087704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77DbFnC001948; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77DbCd4001849 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W55 ([65.55.138.90]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.198.165] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:37:06 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2008 13:37:07.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6CDCC0:01C8F892] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e8bd495-d8ab-47e6-b668-2130a721c446 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489AFAA6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:37:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read it last night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap it. Sg > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 > From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] > > Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ > > I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; I don't know what it's really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a giveaway). > > > > Claudine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:40:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77De22h000957 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:40:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77DduGL002608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:40:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77Ddggs087850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77Ddg0i003789; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77DdddB003706 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W30 ([65.55.138.65]) by bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:39:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.198.165] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:39:33 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2008 13:39:33.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[06E96860:01C8F893] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7767cb23-4562-4a97-9297-9fbacedda429 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489AFB2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. Sg > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:07:56 -0700 > From: zkraemerova@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? > > Hi, > > I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any special area of interest, so Florence or England are both interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) > > If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:27:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77GRH7D007042 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:27:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77GR9KP018262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:27:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77GLX1b099766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GLVjk056199; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GLT37056165 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so126399ana.65 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qbUh4GYZYkf2Xb9Ddq5w9ebEU7uXAj7SZ58r1Ewvtuc=; b=uafHv+odP/hgjf95w8r8aPMM4iXM88kYcIJb7uonQ2W/z/++SpNjNtHdaCdd11EB2o 1MTr6WzWrIXnNe54Jeom/619yczAYgv7cy7SqLa+OJw1X8Y9aXX585ztXtH3+OGR3EVq NmJk16rCR9M7LjZh68VVSSsVX80Fk7bAY0q6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=NLQoJ0XfrxPPmyWquM6O7CDewAgXgi35Qvw2OBQEK8IqNFbNepLtLOFiSZVKkd0fqF bRMjiHmHvFPbShJ7DgqMn/mQnSNjiUgsV9RhuVdCaoy6bh+owFjyv26AfWF8U8kc2Yv7 4Tws2Hp6/cY0wfIdZiTLw8Lh8eyR5kQvDFf60= Received: by 10.100.91.17 with SMTP id o17mr5537187anb.13.1218126089515; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:21:29 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55da076d-7e13-4dc5-8258-1a23820737b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489B225D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is still only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know what you're looking at. MaggiRos On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > Sg > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller International readers may want to use http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:29:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77GTUEx007123 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:29:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77GTPei020036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:29:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77GSvK4000794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GSvS4064561; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GSs6R064415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-102-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.102.11]:2938 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KR8M4-0004yo-Mj for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:28:49 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080807172544.03b11178@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:28:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cca589be-8358-47a7-943e-d7962ab00199 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489B22E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:29:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:21 07/08/2008, you wrote: >Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is still >only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know what >you're looking at. No, Moda a Firenze has one half of the page in Italian, the other in English, so there is no difficulty with the Italian language. The pictures are superb, and the text is very useful. I would vote to save up and get both! (Anyone going to Florence in November might find Moda the more useful.) Suzi >MaggiRos > >On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > > > Sg > > > >-- >Maggie Secara >~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 >ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 >Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite >online bookseller >International readers may want to use >http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:30:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77GUvpJ007173 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77GUpq1002368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77GUa9r000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GUaZE066381; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GUWNU066256 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zRFg1Z00C17dt5G56UWVU6; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:29 +0000 Received: from smailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.205.188]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zUWU1Z00k44QkW43ZUWU2j; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G7pnhNSFiasA:10 a=0qgOZbJ_t7kA:10 a=UgyPqePxAAAA:8 a=JoQWYm39AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=tjbIm2h6f6y-Ypb_w74A:9 a=NJhPTu5nH__qZlNavSXs_tDE73cA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=53i-SixcU4uWEX4Ib_sA:9 a=r7xt2VGW63IqkA-XCjsjK7M1lTUA:4 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [71.35.122.113] by smailcenter88.comcast.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 Message-Id: <080720081630.29487.489B2323000CDFE80000732F2213539653039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ed364da-ebda-46dc-bca7-89ab66d60a98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B233B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi there, Actually Moda is in both Italian and English (on the same page!! ). I love QEWU. If you are just starting out in this field, then I think that is the book to start with. Etiennette -------------- Original message -------------- From: Maggie > Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is still > only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know what > you're looking at. > > MaggiRos > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > > > Sg > > > > -- > Maggie Secara > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite > online bookseller > International readers may want to use > http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:36:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77GaGtr007370 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:36:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Ga9ic024170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:36:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77GUdQS000996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GUdlm066454; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GUY4E066255 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zRbi1Z00417dt5G59UWVJb; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:29 +0000 Received: from smailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.205.188]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zUWU1Z00k44QkW43ZUWU2j; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G7pnhNSFiasA:10 a=0qgOZbJ_t7kA:10 a=UgyPqePxAAAA:8 a=JoQWYm39AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=tjbIm2h6f6y-Ypb_w74A:9 a=NJhPTu5nH__qZlNavSXs_tDE73cA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=53i-SixcU4uWEX4Ib_sA:9 a=r7xt2VGW63IqkA-XCjsjK7M1lTUA:4 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [71.35.122.113] by smailcenter88.comcast.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 Message-Id: <080720081630.29487.489B2323000CDFE80000732F2213539653039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi there, Actually Moda is in both Italian and English (on the same page!! ). I love QEWU. If you are just starting out in this field, then I think that is the book to start with. Etiennette -------------- Original message -------------- From: Maggie > Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is still > only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know what > you're looking at. > > MaggiRos > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > > > Sg > > > > -- > Maggie Secara > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite > online bookseller > International readers may want to use > http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:40:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77GegF6007546 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Gea2W021381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77GeFw8001901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77GeDWq077079; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77Ge9S4076980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Ge9G2008692 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:40:09 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20080807114009.8laol0h5v8cowo4g@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:40:09 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e8f47d9-86d0-435e-99ec-d16e218420f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489B2584.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO All other things being equal, I would buy Elizabeth and save up for Moda next time. Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe has more of the wonderful details about who made what and with what tools; it's more of a snapshot of Elizabethan clothing industry, with an emphasis on Royal clothing. > Hi, > > I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am > hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe > unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any > special area of interest, so Florence or England are both > interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of > large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction > (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) > > If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 13:02:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77H2dEN008753 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:02:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77H2X2d019034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:02:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77H2J1M003613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77H2IrG000444; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77H2HmW000427 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so130260ana.65 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hoY+nM/FhtJUp62ePNsyBTOSHKNyWDGtfI/+a2woPZ4=; b=Z3S5O30aO26gemXgKVqwpM4z1VGyjHdb+Ytxs1PMbZsmgdHRW2SbIWareEDZySeUI0 ndW0bzvtvC1FFnFCHETEKYgr+GCO0eX3OotC7eh9pIK/nABM9cDvYPQcTuw4dPB7awEK O3d8WRwQ9r9NYCArdQyCK7xh90PpyHs9/Ps1Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xn0i1+te4QK7UeWpEbyeQtqQgNYjFoAMt7RFPM1Vv82BCIe4LnhLJLJnt46U25Vkpc FRkb/U07FTXbBXz5YvBpdhch7ILEo1hY7d289r2OJUI5Xqkfc6T51b3Zje7EYtXYjvld Aqsy9Isl9q8d4AF1CA0KFZ8fbEbAZbmjPxfOQ= Received: by 10.100.95.19 with SMTP id s19mr2542215anb.97.1218128537191; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:02:17 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080807172544.03b11178@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080807172544.03b11178@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f979f6f0-3596-4e00-846a-f092a8785c04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489B2AA9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:21 07/08/2008, you wrote: > >> Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is >> still >> only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know >> what >> you're looking at. >> > > No, Moda a Firenze has one half of the page in Italian, the other in > English, so there is no difficulty with the Italian language. The pictures > are superb, and the text is very useful. I would vote to save up and get > both! (Anyone going to Florence in November might find Moda the more > useful.) > > Suzi > Well darn! I wish I'd known that last weekend. Well, no, perhaps I don't. I got both the Court of Henry VIII book and (finally) roy Strong's Cult of Elizabeth at Costume College, and that was probably enough. MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller International readers may want to use http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:07:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77I7MTt010918 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:07:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77I7Gja002945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77I6ggD008495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77I6fCO067589; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77I6brg067456 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c15.1f3941c8 (37046) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB034-90b6489b39a610b; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:30 -0400 Received: from FWM-M06 (fwm-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.70]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA011-5c43489b39a480; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:28 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:28 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC6CF727E2FA2-12FC-E06@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd3fe71b-f206-472e-809d-2cc66bfc6538 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489B39D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great I would like to add that many Regency era turbans were evidently not extemporaneously wrapped on the head, but were instead built on a foundation.? We know Dolley Madison got turbans from France, for example, and the Hampshire County Museums has one in their collection, pictured in "Hats" by Fiona Clark.? Of course, one still had to wrap the fabric before attaching it to the foundation. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 9:37 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read it last night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap it. Sg > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 > From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] > > Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ > > I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; I don't know what it's really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a giveaway). > > > > Claudine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:13:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77IDjbt011197 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:13:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77IDdBE013732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77IDRPK009079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77IDQ9S074896; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway10.websitewelcome.com (gateway10.websitewelcome.com [67.18.124.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77IDMtr074805 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 6785 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway10.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51067) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KR9zD-0008Ac-In; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:13:19 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20080807141319.odnxv8zo9wsc8oc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:19 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7068747-e125-4265-b8d8-eed45b5eeb9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B3B54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Maggie : > Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is still > only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know what > you're looking at. My vote is for MOda -- COLOR PICTURES! More paintings than I'd never seen before all in one place. And it's always been in English *and* Italian -- parallel columns. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:23:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77INq0l011465 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:23:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77INk1f031111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77INTPk009886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77INTCK085486; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77INP4e085416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.84] (dial-209-148-100-84.sonic.net [209.148.100.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m77INNuV017641 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: <489B3D9E.8010709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:23:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CAC6CF727E2FA2-12FC-E06@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAC6CF727E2FA2-12FC-E06@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 220ebbd5-d87e-47e0-8226-362379936c1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489B3DB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Did she figure out how to wrap the turbans by experiment, by examining originals, or by using some period millinery manual? When will the articles be published, I'd like to read them? Thanks, Fran annbwass@aol.com wrote: > > > Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication > "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a > subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the > weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge > turban, and it looked great > > > I would like to add that many Regency era turbans were evidently not extemporaneously wrapped on the head, but were instead built on a foundation.? We know Dolley Madison got turbans from France, for example, and the Hampshire County Museums has one in their collection, pictured in "Hats" by Fiona Clark.? Of course, one still had to wrap the fabric before attaching it to the foundation. > > Ann Wass > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saragrace Knauf > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 9:37 am > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] > > > > Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read it last > night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap it. > > Sg > > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 >> From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] >> >> Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication > "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a > subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the > weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge > turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody > did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ >> I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can > think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban > is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and > can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; I don't know what it's > really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where > the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you > see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a > Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a > giveaway). >> >> >> Claudine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:32:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77IW5NW011737 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:32:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77IVg1x027095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77IUTIH010524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77IUSMV092695; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77IUPxn092563 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66253 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 18:30:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WdPvyZiAQgdu75A1X3owB0TlVkeZ6cthZHjVWfy/slEkIFeUqOlbDTRT/q4/MdP5BaX/UZ0Ou4PJ2Ma1NAKKroORsY4Gx5kg9ICGG8nXCTA1WeyErk7sSIfjkENm1NvLwHlL8VSuthUipBHsMv+M2FkbLqZvilcY+gr3+SU5G8M=; Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:30:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <804807.65134.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11159c61-67f0-4203-aef0-d1911a505064 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B3F8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The first article has already been published. I think she said there's going to be a total of 3 articles. I don't know the answers to your questions (I didn't go to her turban wrapping class), and I don't think she's on this list, but you can ask her by sending her an email through her website, www.lynnmcmasters.com. Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 10:23:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? Did she figure out how to wrap the turbans by experiment, by examining originals, or by using some period millinery manual? When will the articles be published, I'd like to read them? Thanks, Fran annbwass@aol.com wrote: > > > Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication > "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a > subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the > weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge > turban, and it looked great > > > I would like to add that many Regency era turbans were evidently not extemporaneously wrapped on the head, but were instead built on a foundation.? We know Dolley Madison got turbans from France, for example, and the Hampshire County Museums has one in their collection, pictured in "Hats" by Fiona Clark.? Of course, one still had to wrap the fabric before attaching it to the foundation. > > Ann Wass > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saragrace Knauf > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 9:37 am > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] > > > > Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read it last > night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap it. > > Sg > > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 >> From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] >> >> Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication > "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a > subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the > weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge > turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody > did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ >> I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can > think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban > is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and > can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; I don't know what it's > really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where > the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you > see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a > Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a > giveaway). >> >> >> Claudine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:43:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77IhNtk012147 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:43:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Ih6hT007540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77IfMtf011459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77IfLIT004667; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77IfFOW004541 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20080807184113.XTJN2757.fep50.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:41:13 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.205]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080807184113.XSJK17328.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:41:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c8f8bd$2ab4d2a0$cd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8CAC6CF727E2FA2-12FC-E06@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <489B3D9E.8010709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:41:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.205] at Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:41:12 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:43:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Fran, It is not going to be published for all, only you have to subscribe to "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" to get the article, thats the idea with her website. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic? > Did she figure out how to wrap the turbans by experiment, by examining > originals, or by using some period millinery manual? When will the > articles be published, I'd like to read them? > > Thanks, > > Fran > > annbwass@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online >> publication "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency >> wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, >> but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught >> turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great >> >> >> I would like to add that many Regency era turbans were evidently not >> extemporaneously wrapped on the head, but were instead built on a >> foundation.? We know Dolley Madison got turbans from France, for example, >> and the Hampshire County Museums has one in their collection, pictured in >> "Hats" by Fiona Clark.? Of course, one still had to wrap the fabric >> before attaching it to the foundation. >> >> Ann Wass >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Saragrace Knauf >> To: Historical Costume >> Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 9:37 am >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - >> Arabic?] >> >> >> >> Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read >> it last night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap >> it. >> >> Sg >> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 >>> From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com >>> To: h-costume@indra.com >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - >>> Arabic?] >>> >>> Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online >>> publication >> "Your Wardrobe Unlock'd" about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't >> have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn >> over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) >> wearing a huge turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a >> photo. I hope somebody did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ >>> I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures >>> I can >> think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a >> turban is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, >> two layers and can be very large (for boys it's just the "under turban"; >> I don't know what it's really called). They also tend to be bulky towards >> the front of the head, where the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know >> anything about Arab turbans, but if you see a larger turban with a lot of >> forward bulk, you're probably looking at a Sikh (a steel bangle and >> certain styles of facial hair would also be a giveaway). >>> >>> >>> Claudine >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 15:32:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77JWZTw014270 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:32:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77JWTLR011776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77JR4gW014840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77JR1Ls050385; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77JQw1f050306 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id m77JQqoa009933 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:26:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id m77JQqRm008663 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:26:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:26:52 -0500 Message-Id: <20080807190740.M44897@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Yes, beware Wife Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f0ba42a-0311-46cd-a3c3-1d2d0f38f06c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489B4DCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f968735f-33b1-49f6-8781-8884c4dca370 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489B673F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Here's the direct link to the sale page: http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric-wool-gabardine-fabr ic.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-8/04/08%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20d ay-_-Thursday >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:01:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Fabric.com" >Subject: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > >This message was sent to joanmj@surewest.net. > >[] > > >Fabric.com Deal of the Day > > >[] > > >40% Off Wool Gabardine > >Thursday 08/07/08 > >Special pricing now through midnight Eastern Time > >Sale Price: >[] >5.99 yd > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Regular: >[] >9.98 yd > >Compare at: >[] >14.99 yd > >Wool gabardine is a wonderfully resilient, tightly woven fabric. >Gabardine is considered an easy care fabric because of its strength >and resistance to wrinkling. This natural fiber can be worn >throughout the year. Wool gabardine is perfect for skirts, pants and >jackets. 100% wool, 56'' wide > >Shop Now > Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:33:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77LXApv018789 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77LX4WW004310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77LWlaT023569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77LWk9Z072544; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77LWhk1072404 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35887 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 21:32:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BEljQbqnQ1+SMrlgj0KEZdGjxx5dD+GlTW7Cea6JQAOSYRuVTjieWjtNHVvdZpCr/+hbPsQfYpbXzDqOROlnSUDmVueaM8CjMePcxZzjQa3HnH5rWY6UZqpCzie9CLVD5c0TgoZhRz9sHvHPP11BKCgiUkJr5PKWW0rRQCbbzhM=; Received: from [69.232.119.233] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:32:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8CAC6E5D2F2B5B0-109C-2209@webmail-db21.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <687341.33895.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT? Victorian Stage Make-Up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40c467c3-b92f-4f4c-ac5f-4b4d41fdb8c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B6A10.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:33:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would contact Tara McGinnis (Costumer's Manifesto - http://www.costumes.org/) for that kind of info. She had a great class on theatrical makeup from before the 20th century, which I took at Costume College. I took some notes, but it's a jumble right now. She may even be able to send you a digital copy of her handout, which is packed around here somewhere. Anyway, she's the one I would ask. Kimiko --- On Thu, 8/7/08, needlethread96@aol.co.uk wrote: > > Does anyone know of any on-line sources for information on > the make-up the Victorian > actors and actress used?around the?1890's ? > > With many thanks in advance > Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:34:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77LYpKR018827 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:34:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77LYk9h005536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77LYPOc023694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77LYPkr074037; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77LYM4k073908 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27204 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 21:34:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=QQg/KhK20+xEuad0ckRnZV8+0T6UvpETjSuTkiMGdvMBwIUOl/qnabUXJS2s7YGkUhhGjRrlLONOrjUZjsqTxWlzvriDv+QfMnVfPSrNLLC643Z+hkXPrfEwkQJCnsM9vxpzA5ySHGxOHpox73kZDq5mPkxXVka8meT/HwTvRkQ=; Received: from [69.232.119.233] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:34:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <745424.26936.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e4fdc4e-5aee-436f-b7bd-01b9bfe1e0d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B6A76.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:34:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? QEWU would be my choice, mainly because I am focused on English, and it provides a lot of info. But Moda really is worthy in its own right. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:45:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77Lj4nb019248 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:45:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77Liut7015754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:45:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77Liduu024333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77LicJV083502; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77LiYek083441 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200808072144.m77LiYek083441@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 26711 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 14:44:33 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26708, pid: 26709, t: 0.2070s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 14:44:33 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:43:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: References: <200808070436.m774ahcK063388@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9b0ad5b-46b6-46a0-81e3-00bd853f1713 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489B6CD8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 02:20 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >Can you wash this or must it be dry cleaned? And if you can wash, how? >Sharon C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Joan Jurancich >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:35 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > >For those of you who want to use a firmly woven wool for your outfit, I >recommend gabardine. Here's the direct link to the sale page: >http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric-wool-gabardine-fabr >ic.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-8/04/08%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20d >ay-_-Thursday Personally, I'd wash it with Synthrapol in warm water (then dry it in the dryer on delicate) before cutting. That way you can get rid of any excess dye so that you won't have any problems with colors running and any shrinkage will be taken care of. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:48:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77LmpEU019337 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:48:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77LmkEa018455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77LmPCf024564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:48:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77LmND3086806; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:48:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77LmK2m086686 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F3F136266 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:48:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <489B7B95.6030207@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:47:49 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <600793.89505.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3db3b7ba-5826-4b42-a848-c15e2dc59d01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489B6DBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sharon Collier wrote: > Moda has color pictures, QEU are black and white, if that makes a > difference. Not all the QEWU pictures are black and white. There are a fair number of color photos in the volume. All the photos are documented, so if you wanted a color image you could track them down. What bugs me about the photos is not that they are B&W, but that they are only about 4" high, and a lot of the detail is lost at that size. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 18:49:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77Mn2H4021062 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77MmrBX017250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:48:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77MmWFF028160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77MmUDL038291; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77MmR9X038225 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:48:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB0C3D100304; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:45:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200808070436.m774ahcK063388@net.indra.com> <200808072144.m77LiYek083441@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:48:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <200808072144.m77LiYek083441@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: Acj41nKiKZpt34gFR+qy4Q2bpZUgsQACTWZg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44814c59-54b1-4f9c-9223-4d3f5ebbd5df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489B7BD5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine At 02:20 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >Can you wash this or must it be dry cleaned? And if you can wash, how? >Sharon C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:35 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > >For those of you who want to use a firmly woven wool for your outfit, I >recommend gabardine. Here's the direct link to the sale page: >http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric-wool-gabardine >-fabr >ic.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-8/04/08%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20th >e%20d >ay-_-Thursday Personally, I'd wash it with Synthrapol in warm water (then dry it in the dryer on delicate) before cutting. That way you can get rid of any excess dye so that you won't have any problems with colors running and any shrinkage will be taken care of. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 19:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77NNBR2022278 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:23:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77NN5FG016752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77NMmr9030154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77NMmOO065264; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77NMjOR065187 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web23-z02 ([10.127.132.174]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080807232239.KSKI6963.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web23-z02>; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:22:39 +0000 Message-ID: <18961262.2205621218151359874.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:22:39 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 65.185.75.197 by webmail.neo.rr.com; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:22:30 +0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d5247a9-54e3-4389-9f95-e0bc95645e5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489B83D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It kind of depends on what you're using it for. I have some that I bought from another company and I washed it in warm water and dried it on low. It has since been washed on gentle in cold water and is hung up to dry. I made a cotehardie with it. Kate ---- Sharon Collier wrote: > Can you wash this or must it be dry cleaned? And if you can wash, how? > Sharon C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Joan Jurancich > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:35 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > > For those of you who want to use a firmly woven wool for your outfit, I > recommend gabardine. Here's the direct link to the sale page: > http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric-wool-gabardine-fabr > ic.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-8/04/08%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20d > ay-_-Thursday > > > >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:01:35 -0400 (EDT) > >From: "Fabric.com" > >Subject: Fabric.com: Deal of the Day - Wool Gabardine > > > >This message was sent to joanmj@surewest.net. > > > >[] > > > > > >Fabric.com Deal of the Day > > > > > >[] > > > > > >40% Off Wool Gabardine > > > >Thursday 08/07/08 > > > >Special pricing now through midnight Eastern Time > > > >Sale Price: > >[] > >5.99 yd > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Regular: > >[] > >9.98 yd > > > >Compare at: > >[] > >14.99 yd > > > >Wool gabardine is a wonderfully resilient, tightly woven fabric. > >Gabardine is considered an easy care fabric because of its strength > >and resistance to wrinkling. This natural fiber can be worn > >throughout the year. Wool gabardine is perfect for skirts, pants and > >jackets. 100% wool, 56'' wide > > > >Shop Now > > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 19:28:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m77NSo0W022603 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:28:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77NSaxF018775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m77NSLt7030485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m77NSLvA069706; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m77NSI4V069560 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:28:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41113 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 23:28:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4z6laSDzilOzWqct/Eo9AfmG23s9x8j4gJt5GJRHeAyuetsyLx/DMGKPjLLxyXfYi7dqUezfMBJpYzcJjGFFlOFEVeOt+kBQ8RVDqXsutnZIt2GKaIEdoSzghe4g7RzgR+UvsUYGyGKo7tmljXjyEAWpW+sE7kcdyDcAATRJvJ8=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:28:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <489B7B95.6030207@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <85969.40752.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? 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Both books are very tempting, I love color pictures, but QEW seems to have won anyway:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 20:58:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m780w11W025732 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:58:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m780vuOV024948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m780vSH3034607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m780vP9p030160; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m780vMA4030056 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.d19.2e446b35 (34946) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA057-8882489b99e9c3; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:57:14 -0400 Message-Id: <263A1AF4-FDAB-4FFE-9025-AE4ECBAACBAE@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:57:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40a55214-3169-4cf9-99a6-5c1f9e00287f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489B9A14.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:58:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_PRODUCT,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: >>Thank you for your message. Dear Susan, Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric department in your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we make, we have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric departments on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high today for a full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it may have been at Wal-Mart in the past. In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations center is placed, merchandise commonly referred to as 'notions' will be included in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, needles, thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new and remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as a small number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart will continue to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the continued evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of existing stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations center at this time. Thank you, Wal-Mart Customer Relations > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 21:42:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m781gIpE027288 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:42:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m781gD03022512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m781aoFb036167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m781anWs054945; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com (n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m781akEv054866 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=iMUASWUKryxCuOABkHKOAyjGT5q6/j62o0RpU7M6L7PJqXo3cypuXYjzstW1rYQP19vKoCaT6dI9k5otnBrILrZWEHqlD+QU/f64RDs5cFLb7aDf7BKmmt9xIi/ESg8f; Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 01:36:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:36:38 -0000 From: "Joan Mielke Yost" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.54.9.232 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Warning: Wife Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca1b9295-5af5-428c-85cd-e27aea5829ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489BA475.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:42:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The SCA Board of Directors has requested that any questions/inquiries/requests from orregarding 'Wife Swap' be forwarded to Corporate, as the names 'SCA' and'Society for Creative Anachronism', and the arms, belong to the Corporation.Original message is here:http://community.livejournal.com/sca/657191.html? #cutid1*********************** Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 21:56:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m781uDAH027681 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:56:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m781u7RH007916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m781tqGY036975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m781tq0N066526; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m781tmn6066468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A141249E3 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <489BA7A2.2010901@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:55:46 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Warning: Wife Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c86a7d98-1c76-4da3-9c01-bd52bf443326 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489BA7B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan Mielke Yost wrote: > The SCA Board of Directors has requested that any > questions/inquiries/requests from orregarding 'Wife Swap' be forwarded > to Corporate, as the names 'SCA' and'Society for Creative Anachronism', > and the arms, belong to the Corporation.Original message is > here:http://community.livejournal.com/sca/657191.html? > Yes, but the SCA can't prohibit people from mentioning the SCA, and I doubt they are trying to do that -- just trying to be sure nobody says they're doing Official SCA Stuff without organization approval -- as that thread goes on to mention. (That's my original post, yes, should anyone be curious.) cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 22:07:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7827Bkg028120 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:07:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78274Yr024860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7821dab037239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7821biF070294; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19IFeBDEjkI2h2bcjcxaL1OF2TZBDezGP4@mail45.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7821Zpv070269 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:01:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m7821X21008342 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:01:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 26593 invoked by uid 80); 8 Aug 2008 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.24.14) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 8 Aug 2008 02:01:33 -0000 Message-ID: <489BA8FC.2050904@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:01:32 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Warning: Wife Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e726f57-eea2-4024-845c-fc162b17dce0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489BAA48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:07:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan Mielke Yost wrote: > The SCA Board of Directors has requested that any > questions/inquiries/requests from orregarding 'Wife Swap' be forwarded > to Corporate, as the names 'SCA' and'Society for Creative Anachronism', > and the arms, belong to the Corporation. In case it wasn't clear, this particular request is not for SCA members or re-enactors. Their angle this time is that they are looking for a family that's into historic costume (presumably any period or multiple periods). I got a copy of the request too. It made my skin crawl -- I saw that episode with the SCA family, and it's pretty obvious it was a hatchet job. I can only imagine how this show would portray a family that enjoyed costuming ... as some sort of crazy cultists, no doubt. People in historic costume groups outside the SCA, though, might think this request is legitimate. If anyone is on discussion lists for ICG or similar interest groups, if the subject comes up, I would strongly urge pointing interested parties to the experience of the medieval re-enactors. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 22:54:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m782sSqD029645 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:54:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m782sMiS025718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:54:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m782rwdA040978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:53:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782ruic008077; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782rqWp007965 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m782rjji016476 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:53:46 GMT Message-ID: <002d01c8f901$fa481290$8496d846@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT? Victorian Stage Make-Up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7347acfa-5975-454f-8b1a-604460e59bcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489BB55E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:54:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know of anything online, but I have a small 1890's book about Theatrical Make-up. Do you have specific questions? I could look them up. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com Message: 8 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:46:38 -0400 From: needlethread96@aol.co.uk Subject: [h-cost] OT? Victorian Stage Make-Up To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <8CAC6E5D2F2B5B0-109C-2209@webmail-db21.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! Does anyone know of any on-line sources for information on the make-up the Victorian actors and actress used?around the?1890's ? With many thanks in advance Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 22:55:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m782tnep029685 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:55:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m782tiXB015750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:55:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m782tVLi041094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782tVge009168; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782tR2X009061 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.cda.3687c5ec (41812) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:55:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e59ab953-6101-4bd1-9f42-ec0847ffbdd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489BB5B0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/7/2008 8:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. Ah, that is what our newish store here inside the Washington DC beltway has. Things like gift bags and such. But it does sound like they aren't doing that in ALL their stores. Thanks for sharing. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 22:58:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m782wSoK029796 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:58:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m782wNFn017214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m782wEEJ041392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782wD4R011685; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m782wAIs011558 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c23.42dbfd80 (41812) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:58:00 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bb6bef8-8468-436d-abea-a113ae2432a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489BB64F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:58:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we were all lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is because folks aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 10:15:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78EFuTL016168 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:15:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78EFoIN017324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78EFHX2074598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78EFEp7068083; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78EFCZc068035 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A8F9A4C4EA for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3B2164C4E7 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5EB18008E for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:15:11 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Thread-Index: Acj5Aptup9KqkW8XR6yAy0Q5dkhuNAAXUNbQ References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6782b62f-4c6b-44c9-90e7-6ed9362f2802 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489C5517.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO People are still sewing in my neck of the woods, but a lot more careful about waiting for sales. They are also concerned about fabric quality, esp thread count among quilters. I think it is tied in more with the economy--most people have been losing spending power in dollars earned for a long time(hence Walmart, etc) and now the chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. Fabric retailers are more and more owned by big conglomerates that are more concerned with bottom line profits. Consumers are buying a lot fewer clothes and I've seen more than one back-to-school shopping kid throw a temper tantrum because Mom and Dad are now shopping Payless shoes and Target(where I buy my own shoes and have for a long time), instead of buying them expensive name-brand shoes. Of course, I still see a lot of older kids buying multiple pairs of Nike's or whatever(and wonder where the money comes from!) Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:58 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we were all lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is because folks aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000 0000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:21:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78GL3sj020439 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:21:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78GKux1005827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:21:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78GKFfG084021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78GKC2W092583; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m78GK9tW092442 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38958 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 16:20:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mJB6xqs+LJuAbNkmgBTBanzKXKs9tq2yjB4sMEXrrQ3M480IwlAO1gXq+N1IJwit//ZNv5Y1jx7pbSROkNmYY6tbgsu/FdrZEegBSsP+uxT/43lyh7HQHofTKF9qcUdbQ1dCu0fGnJIWXpyHDyadARsIj3gRnbGCHrhHuxpT4y4=; X-YMail-OSG: csXNpIAVM1nMBCWrzyprYcfEMRLPmgd8Ldwq9zTDjl9Pjj.9Y1uPIRhhFgfK0_4DcBbH5fxsW6nl6Z.J.Foij_4UMuQ27_.gbykciNNDXqd76JBA4hj56QRMUtsjfYwAfO13MQgdw._Du9L6GZ2wqOY- Received: from [75.172.156.61] by web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:20:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cactus To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <263A1AF4-FDAB-4FFE-9025-AE4ECBAACBAE@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d598d7fb-fbcf-455d-9a05-fad8232fb0be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489C7268.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_PRODUCT,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM > The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: > > > >>Thank you for your message. > > Dear Susan, > > Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric > department in > your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we > make, we > have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric > departments > on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high > today for a > full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it > may have been > at Wal-Mart in the past. > > In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the > community, Wal- > Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in > some stores to > a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on > life's > celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this > exciting > new crafts and celebrations center that makes available > craft and > party planning needs along with information on current > trends and new > ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as > holidays, weddings > and birthdays. > > In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations > center is > placed, merchandise commonly referred to as > 'notions' will be included > in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, > needles, > thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new > and > remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as > a small > number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and > > celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart > will continue > to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the > continued > evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of > existing > stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations > center at > this time. > > Thank you, > Wal-Mart Customer Relations > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:28:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78HS5MG023064 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:28:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78HRxlW000481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78HRHoK089591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HRCKC064768; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HRAIK064730 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so238985ana.65 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QeqI0pOxy/clpPY+v39mmkDY5/Tg1em0RJ1A5ZZQfWE=; b=IoEV/AOR4vs8H+2pzGLtoYGm+SlBXcEAqsbRBddFWC5lrjmzfsisasOXPkXrV0Sn7v 9pMjIaZKdGmSk5Vd9RWdqh55FmUUUg9Z263s5+wVjjkAFXUx4QOg0OpDK/7ryAjpMDMP xRMj+Ysk45qFTJrsk1wR47OBwF4orlPWZWeTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=PhFagQHN5AA4WO6cMmP7Qk/4dRJ3JAGzcULeTCnX60m0Ebxbk4upjtrmDInR15xPX7 I4ekGUka8JFS1Gqtn1mwXh5Pw3AEuZ1cEsl5ATarU5uIMyhJvxCwLQlhnc4JcCx8pyee V9Bgct9p8kpGJBG/+l24JJSODEh02/MS7Io+E= Received: by 10.100.251.11 with SMTP id y11mr7130524anh.114.1218216429308; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.2 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:27:09 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <263A1AF4-FDAB-4FFE-9025-AE4ECBAACBAE@aol.com> <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9edf08ee-d4c4-4060-8715-286c4fda46f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489C821F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "Crafts and Celebrations" certainly sounds as iof it could be Martha-related. MaggiRos On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Cactus wrote: > Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in > Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric > department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot > me! :) > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:32:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78HWob6023217 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:32:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78HWjxN003152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:32:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78HWHZH089949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HWHh5069672; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m78HWE53069614 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31941 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 10:32:16 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31933, pid: 31939, t: 0.6993s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 10:32:15 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c8f97c$8b500fc0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acj5c0Xwiw+gApg+RB6N7Pzr+H1j+AACJPIg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1bf0bc4-b840-4cc0-bd30-22bedd57f608 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489C833D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_PRODUCT,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wouldn't surprise me in the least. "Life Celebrations"? Yeah, sounds like a Martha Stewart kind of label. It's too bad really. It's not like they had a huge craft section to begin with, but for people who may not have a regular craft or fabric store near them (but usually have a Walmart, of course!) it was fine. Unfortunately, most of their sale table fabrics were icky, cheap polyester, but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the target "clientele" and the usual clientele of the store don't craft a lot or sew, so they are catering to them. Why make clothes when you can buy Walmart's cheap, *hitty Chinese clothes! The Walmart closest to me has a fair-sized craft/fabric section, but the next closest one to me has no fabric and only a very small crafts section. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| unicorn@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cactus Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM > The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: > > > >>Thank you for your message. > > Dear Susan, > > Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric > department in > your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we > make, we > have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric > departments > on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high > today for a > full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it > may have been > at Wal-Mart in the past. > > In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the > community, Wal- > Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in > some stores to > a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on > life's > celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this > exciting > new crafts and celebrations center that makes available > craft and > party planning needs along with information on current > trends and new > ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as > holidays, weddings > and birthdays. > > In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations > center is > placed, merchandise commonly referred to as > 'notions' will be included > in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, > needles, > thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new > and > remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as > a small > number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and > > celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart > will continue > to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the > continued > evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of > existing > stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations > center at > this time. > > Thank you, > Wal-Mart Customer Relations > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:38:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78Hc4tB023447 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78HbtxT023641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:38:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78HbOVR090281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HbObP074780; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HbLaN074626 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5198A13648D for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:37:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <489C9241.3050406@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:36:49 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <263A1AF4-FDAB-4FFE-9025-AE4ECBAACBAE@aol.com> <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 711ec9bb-14a5-4537-9267-51c94da0758e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489C8473.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:38:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maggie wrote: > "Crafts and Celebrations" certainly sounds as iof it could be > Martha-related. I have seen the crafts and celebrations aisle. It's full of simple craft items for making invitations, baby shower and wedding tokens, and junk like that. I think there may have been some clothing embellishment items, like rhinestones and iron on patches. I went there once over a year ago, and haven't been back, the department didn't impress me. Frankly, it looked like the kind of cheap tacky plastic chinese crap Martha would turn her nose up at. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:43:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78HhiNB023662 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:43:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78HhbaJ003190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:43:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78HhB5x090664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78HhBb5080340; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78Hh7o1080189 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c9c.2ca134bf (34904) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA021-8858489c85a17b; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:57 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA036-5c58489c859a35; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:50 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:50 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <003f01c8f97c$8b500fc0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:50 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC7954FF7D090-E5C-E11@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e81ed48e-9f2e-435b-ad4d-4ba8918eb1a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489C85C9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_PRODUCT,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. Yes, I found an absolutely wonderful blue and orange plaid cotton once, just like a turn-of-the-nineteenth century madras. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Joan Broneske To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Wouldn't surprise me in the least. "Life Celebrations"? Yeah, sounds like a Martha Stewart kind of label. It's too bad really. It's not like they had a huge craft section to begin with, but for people who may not have a regular craft or fabric store near them (but usually have a Walmart, of course!) it was fine. Unfortunately, most of their sale table fabrics were icky, cheap polyester, but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the target "clientele" and the usual clientele of the store don't craft a lot or sew, so they are catering to them. Why make clothes when you can buy Walmart's cheap, *hitty Chinese clothes! The Walmart closest to me has a fair-sized craft/fabric section, but the next closest one to me has no fabric and only a very small crafts section. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| unicorn@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cactus Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > To: "Historical Costume" > D ate: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM > The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: > > > >>Thank you for your message. > > Dear Susan, > > Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric > department in > your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we > make, we > have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric > departments > on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high > today for a > full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it > may have been > at Wal-Mart in the past. > > In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the > community, Wal- > Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in > some stores to > a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on > life's > celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this > exciting > new crafts and celebrations center that makes available > craft and > party planning needs along with information on current > trends and new > ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as > holidays, weddings > and birthdays. > > In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations > center is > placed, merchandise commonly referred to as > 'notions' will be included > in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, > needles, > thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new > and > remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as > a small > number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and > > celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart > will continue > to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the > continued > evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of > existing > stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations > center at > this time. > > Thank you, > Wal-Mart Customer Relations > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ _____________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 14:10:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78IAXbT024594 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:10:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78IAQIe029059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:10:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78IA8Es092553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78IA8nR006455; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net ([67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m78IA4aV005978 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 23722 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 18:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:09:36 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c8f98a$535b8910$830d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <931289.38651.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj5cr87OEAJBrLgSrexr0KNbaU6jwAF1s8g Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44efe525-3e79-436c-9e73-9dad84d76c37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489C8C13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 14:57:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78Ivh5D026442 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:57:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78IvcUf018421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78IvGkI000394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78IvEC2053337; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78IvAjU053255 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B28DC2ED85 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:57:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <8CAC7954FF7D090-E5C-E11@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19d5dec8-d2aa-44bc-ae8e-1eab9f9442e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489C9722.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When the department manager could order the bins at our Walmarts, they would get in about 60% of the decent to good stuff like 100% raw silk, 100% cotton brocade, brocades, jaquards...etc. Then when upper management took over and didn't know what the customer wanted in the fabric section the stuff was 85% crap. One of the stores still gets in the black fabric for the students. Wal-Mart says that fewer people sew today but in my town, with two colleges and one university, 5 different types of reinactment groups, two, soon to be three high schools (though the 2 -3 yd. pre-cuts would work for them for their HES/HE class), one children's theatre, Amish, several sororities, and fraternities, we need more then just Jo Ann's who tends to lean towards the quilter's and crafters side. New members of SCA who are students can't always afford Jo Ann's and sometimes cannot wait for the sales. Since more SCA events are camping, one needs to have more then one outfit so that their ride to the event will let them ride home with them after the event. :) De -----Original Message----- but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. Yes, I found an absolutely wonderful blue and orange plaid cotton once, just like a turn-of-the-nineteenth century madras. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:08:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78K88OK029881 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:08:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78K82V9014234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:08:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78Ivohq000429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78IvoKP053968; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78IvmTg053921 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE73A2ED85 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:57:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <001b01c8f98a$535b8910$830d140a@edwardstepobxw> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09cdd883-e00c-4f8d-8f7f-7906e1d26b04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489CA7A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that "for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items". Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -----Original Message----- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 17:04:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78L4RN1032066 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:04:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78L4M58021878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:04:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78L3mY5008582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78L3juD074169; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+gLkygd5rK+1afROMUwEUjKXMO5Lp5Bwc@mail40.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78L3eEn074086 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m78L3cQb014467 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:03:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 17921 invoked by uid 80); 8 Aug 2008 21:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.24.14) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 8 Aug 2008 21:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:03:37 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] OT: Quick change artists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1109f80-2b5a-40f0-bb2d-f91fb4edb8a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489CB4D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is definitely costume, but not historical, so this is OT, but I had to show this around. Or am I the last person to know about this? The video has been up for a couple of years: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RB-wUgnyGv0 Absolutely amazing. I think -- after replaying multiple times -- that the green one unfolds from the shoulders into the blue one, but I can't figure out the rest of them, and even with unfolding, I can't imagine how you could fit more than two or three in any one garment. Whatever technology they use, I wonder if it could be used to create a series that takes you through time, e.g. decade by decade in the 1900s. (OK, so now at least this post is historical.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 18:22:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78MMkFE002359 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78MMeXU012714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78MMKXG012723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78MMIsM042717; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78MMFv6042681 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from litlnemo@slumberland.seattle.wa.us) Received: from cupcake.slumberland.org (c66-235-57-247.sea2.cablespeed.com [66.235.57.247]) by randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7021DE41C for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489CC6F1.60909@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:21:37 -0700 From: Wendi Dunlap Organization: Slumberland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Quick change artists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56f92379-76ee-4fce-affb-cdd157a0bf0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489CC730.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Absolutely amazing. I think -- after replaying multiple times -- that > the green one unfolds from the shoulders into the blue one, but I can't > figure out the rest of them, and even with unfolding, I can't imagine > how you could fit more than two or three in any one garment. http://home.comcast.net/~x.watermist/Non.html explains how it works. It's very cool, even if you know the secret. :) W -- *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 19:24:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m78NO9Wf005530 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:24:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m78NO49A019441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m78NNY8D015952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78NNWRc087606; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m78NNUjm087519 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93238 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 23:23:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IOJAWL2zzHRE+dTEsx28UZp6qFOpBgVCJqBKppBHLvcrK6XLAsRcWBvWSgZu9YriiU+rQWnoVp+VlawBXTHfWQ2JmbjOtNghNfNRjEbGKQAjBxqcCMEno1FyXTi/sc4wQmbhGf1SdW8ikwwye1qywTNlEvTNi3FW4zNlHl5+u1E=; X-YMail-OSG: ouxsGAcVM1lIjLBPPNb6k7vXNviliYGmjqaRd2q4yKAb6YHyQVsosigVg8QVMa3lTg-- Received: from [96.229.160.200] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:23:24 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de40dad9-fbdd-4a3f-8df5-44ecfb370699 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489CD594.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Could it be the fact that they carry crap fabric in all the Walmarts perhaps be the reason, _why_ they are not profitable? Also that the people employed in the dept.are not fabric savvy? My local Walmart (la habra,Calif) has a woman who works there ,Rosetta,who literally layed across the cutting table because she was tired of cutting my order.I was making it very easy by purchasing the entire bolt,of most of the fabrics, and ordering 10 yrd increments of the ones I didn't purchase in toto. With employees like this who state "Aren't you done yet?" when you're trying to buy cloth, can run it into the ground. Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Too bad,better fabric, more savvy people could give JoAnns a run for their money, as my JoAnn's has turned into a craft store with fabric as a side line. Melody otsisto wrote: The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that "for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items". Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -----Original Message----- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:07:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7917KMu011516 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7917Euv027460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7916m7u020076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7916jre061092; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7916g3Z061061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m7916feU029315 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:06:41 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02517809-c488-48e6-befc-5d93f29a5517 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489CEDC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Driven all the independent fabric stores out of business within a fair sized radius by low-balling them and now THEY go out of the Fabric business? Seems typical. Drive all other possible competition out and leave room only for the cheap, Chinese stuff, made by people earning cents an hour with few safety features, less health regulations, and outlawed unions. This tends to make the $1.00 a yard stuff too expensive. Particularly if you are an unemployed fabric maker in the Carolinas. Might as well send .50 to China and .50 to the Walton family. I think I'll continue to praise the Powers that Be that Wal-Mart hasn't succeeded in taking over Portland and environs (several towns around are fighting it tooth and nail because of its eventual "buy from us or die" strategy. Pendleton Wool at $4.99 a yard, linen at less than that if you know what you are looking for and are ready when the sales come up. Wanda > > Today I was informed that since things have settled down, > Wal-Mart feels it > is safe to go ahead with it's plan to get rid of their fabrics. > New Stores will not have the fabric dept. Some stores will phase out the > fabric dept. and a few will have 2 and 3 yard pieces for sale. > I was told at one store that they will no longer be ordering for the $1.00 > table. They have already stopped ordering replacement of many of their non > sale fabrics, like satin. > So if you have a Wal-Mart with a fabric department it will probably go bye > bye by January 2009. > > De > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:38:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m791cAiK012923 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:38:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m791c4k2006488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m791bo0x020965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m791bn2E079184; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m791bkJ1079091 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([162.83.118.207]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5B004R28IHHQ65@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:37:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:37:29 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" In-reply-to: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <007101c8f9c0$7c7a8360$756f8a20$@carnegie@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Acj5rksetThTbKwUQd6aeMwlE1nDqwAEgcMg References: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a9d1c83-d4cd-493f-aec3-ca9a137434d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489CF4FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:38:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I gave up on Walmart years ago. There is never anyone around to cut the fabric. That's probably part of why they are losing sales. Ron Carnegie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) Could it be the fact that they carry crap fabric in all the Walmarts perhaps be the reason, _why_ they are not profitable? Also that the people employed in the dept.are not fabric savvy? My local Walmart (la habra,Calif) has a woman who works there ,Rosetta,who literally layed across the cutting table because she was tired of cutting my order.I was making it very easy by purchasing the entire bolt,of most of the fabrics, and ordering 10 yrd increments of the ones I didn't purchase in toto. With employees like this who state "Aren't you done yet?" when you're trying to buy cloth, can run it into the ground. Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Too bad,better fabric, more savvy people could give JoAnns a run for their money, as my JoAnn's has turned into a craft store with fabric as a side line. Melody otsisto wrote: The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that "for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items". Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -----Original Message----- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:47:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m791lfUX013353 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:47:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m791lZG0025864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:47:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m791lIhG021261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m791lIeN084948; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m791lEUZ084912 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98C172EDA4 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:47:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their goingout..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28b4ed99-8288-4313-8e91-040af2e5443c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489CF737.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My local Super Wally Worlds (we have 3) used to carry 90% good to excellent fabric, then they decided to phase it out 2 years ago. So when the they ran into opposition they started to carry more crap fabric. This ploy was to discourage customers to go elsewhere so that they can eliminate the fabric department. Most of the fabric sales people at my WWs are friendly and knowledgeable. De -----Original Message----- Could it be the fact that they carry crap fabric in all the Walmarts perhaps be the reason, _why_ they are not profitable? Also that the people employed in the dept.are not fabric savvy? My local Walmart (la habra,Calif) has a woman who works there ,Rosetta,who literally layed across the cutting table because she was tired of cutting my order.I was making it very easy by purchasing the entire bolt,of most of the fabrics, and ordering 10 yrd increments of the ones I didn't purchase in toto. With employees like this who state "Aren't you done yet?" when you're trying to buy cloth, can run it into the ground. Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Too bad,better fabric, more savvy people could give JoAnns a run for their money, as my JoAnn's has turned into a craft store with fabric as a side line. Melody otsisto wrote: The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that "for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items". Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -----Original Message----- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 06:31:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m79AV1rJ011232 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:31:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m79AUbLj015584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:30:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m79AU06H036452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 04:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m79ATtcu062640; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 04:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m79ATqGJ062565 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 04:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c3d.3b9b7cba (48576) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:30:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64ca49e9-5ff7-4e6d-8e89-3ac218666bac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489D71CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:30:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/8/2008 7:24:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Well, in Walmart's defense, I have NEVER, EVER seen 1970s neon print knits on the $1 table in sotres I've been in--maybe that is their California thing. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 11:24:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m79FOYwA032464 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:24:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m79FORkU031435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m79FNuWj047628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m79FNrrS049150; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m79FNnXX049034 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([162.83.118.207]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5C0087RARJZQ13@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:23:43 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" In-reply-to: To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <00fe01c8fa33$e8b792c0$ba26b840$@carnegie@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Acj6C2XTLoO6UYhKTeWfXgWMlaT6oAAKHqTQ References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1abf01e1-15c4-474e-a3db-19c29ed7b5d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489DB6AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:24:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I see it all the time here in Virginia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:31 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho) In a message dated 8/8/2008 7:24:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Well, in Walmart's defense, I have NEVER, EVER seen 1970s neon print knits on the $1 table in sotres I've been in--maybe that is their California thing. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000 017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 22:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7A23eYC021341 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:03:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A23WkK004205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:03:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7A23BRg077921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A237i9087269; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A234me087225 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0GqV1a00A17UAYkA5S34HF; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:03:04 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([71.207.23.6]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0S321a00A07tFU78ZS33VV; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:03:03 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k9jPDaQ7P--pyoim2-gA:9 a=hSnHrolx_ySQ87WZP7zIZ5DfXpQA:4 a=Z3R2zaqRN04A:10 Message-ID: <00e101c8fa8d$38e20b50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:03:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60d1ec26-53a5-4f7e-9724-9ffe7934748c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489E4C74.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. >> I'm sorry to add to your disappointment, but that is a canned form letter that gets sent to everyone inquiring about the fabric departments going away. I got the same letter last year. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 22:05:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7A25bJX021381 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:05:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A25WS4027352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:05:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7A25ECG077989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A25EBD088762; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A25B0S088686 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.d04.3b741923 (34942) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA053-887e489e4cd0f9; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:05:04 -0400 Message-Id: <7A320F39-9B2F-41F7-AD47-FE4D4E98344B@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00e101c8fa8d$38e20b50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:05:04 -0400 References: <00e101c8fa8d$38e20b50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04796f47-c383-4254-856d-d02e05f31d4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489E4CEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:05:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Feedback from a Friend says SHE got the identical letter, as well. Susan On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Dianne wrote: > PS > But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I > will be > writing, too. > > Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying > attention. >> > > I'm sorry to add to your disappointment, but that is a canned form > letter that gets sent to everyone inquiring about the fabric > departments going away. I got the same letter last year. > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 23:51:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7A3podY024313 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:51:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A3pjIC003409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:51:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7A3kLw6081333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A3kK3u035039; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A3kGmC035016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m7A3kFU5003801; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:46:15 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "SCA-GARB" , "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:53:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-reply-to: <7A320F39-9B2F-41F7-AD47-FE4D4E98344B@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8eaa64f-a049-4eb9-bb04-8a44caf189b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489E65D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:51:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a hard time when they give you a canned "reasoned response" about not enough people sewing any more so they have to cut back on unprofitable lines. I live in a small city (Portland, Oregon) I went to three of my favorite fabric stores today on a quest to see where I could get what for a specific project that hasn't quite jelled yet. Big Fabric Stores! Two cater to home sewers, and one to crafters and sewers. All were quite busy. My favorite is Fabric Depot, nearly one square block of fabrics, home decorator and notions. There must have been over 300 men and women shopping. Granted, they were having a 40% off sale, but that's not an abnormal number on a Saturday even without that. I've even been there on a week-day and there are usually at least 50 patrons wandering the aisles. The second is a little Pakistani Shop that has fabric piled to the ceiling and reminds me of Las Angeles, except that they don't bargain. Just basic shop size, but at least 14 people buying everything from 60" wide velvets to 1970's neon paisley :-) and everything in between. This is also where I get my cone thread (not made for sergers), stone and sequined trim, and other shiny do dads. Third was JoAnns Super Store. They tried to move to the chintzy flat fold table and their customer base went away. They were left with a bit of cheap cotton quilting stuff and lots of craft products. The big sewing stores almost wiped them out. They put in decent fabric again to about 1/4 of the store and got enough of their clientele back to keep going. Surprisingly enough, the better fabric they get, the more customers. They had to put the cotton quilters stuff in a separate area because the actual sewing fabric with patterns and high end sewing machines (also lower end stuff) crowded it out and made them more money. Now, Portland has at least one more very large store - Mill Ends, (also nearly a block square) that does a brisk business in fabric and notions for the home sewer. From the person who is making new curtains, to the ones who are making Bridal Dresses that last more than a single wearing to those who want clothing that fits and flatters and is made from fabrics and colors to fit their needs. Portland also has a Pendleton Woolen Mills outlet with $8-10 a yard, what you see is what you get fabric, and buttons by the bin (literally) full, $.05 each. They even have Ultra Suede (the good stuff) in a couple of colors at $15.00 a yard. If you want to cross the Columbia river you can find the other Pendleton Woolen Mill outlet with the $3.99-5.99 and up stuff as well as clothing with price tags that will give you a heart attack (up, not down). I've gotten woolens ranging from blanket weight/coat weight, to stuff so fine you could pull it through a wedding ring; perfect for veiling since it seems to flow like water. These stores aren't here because Portland is some kind of a time warp town where people sew their own clothes more than they do in Leavenworth, Kansas. They are here because the people spend money. They spend the money because there are fabrics to buy that are more flattering than the Princess Pony stuff you buy for your daughter's Halloween costume or a quilt project. People buy because the stuff is available. When the $1.00 a yard, flat fold table stuff drives the $10.00 a yard and above suiting, silk, blends, etc. out, "because it's cheap" that's all you will get. The Wal-Marts of the world will wisely tell you that is all people are willing to pay so that's all they stock and some people will swallow the notion hook-line-and-sinker. When real sewers see that all they can get at the store is junk except for the occasional "find" they stop going and they stop buying. Then the store wisely tells you and your friends that "no one sews any longer and it isn't profitable to handle". It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. Junk so bad (usually) that it isn't worth buying because it will fall apart quickly, or not do what you want because it is the wrong weight, or dead dinosaur (polyester) is too expensive even at $1.00 a yard. If your Wal-Mart has stopped selling fabric, there is a niche market waiting to be filled by someone. Unfortunately it isn't cheap to get started, but it can be done. We have a shop here in Portland that specializes only in natural fabrics, and unusual pattern companies. The prices aren't cheap, but she isn't going out of business either. In fact she often refers customers to the other stores when she doesn't have exactly what they want! For those who have been completely fabric deprived by the machinations of a huge business... There's the Internet; I hear the screaming now but it's almost all that is left. If you still have some independent fabric merchants talk to them, patronize them, and good luck to you! Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:05 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > > > Feedback from a Friend says SHE got the identical letter, as well. > > Susan > > > On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Dianne wrote: > > > PS > > But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I > > will be > > writing, too. > > > > Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying > > attention. >> > > > > I'm sorry to add to your disappointment, but that is a canned form > > letter that gets sent to everyone inquiring about the fabric > > departments going away. I got the same letter last year. > > > > Dianne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 01:30:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7A5Ue2h027659 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:30:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A5UZRu022776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:30:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7A5TxSw084365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A5TuOS080040; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7A5TrAC079991 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73949 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 05:29:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ISNz8M9PKJeSsojxVfcWovpvBsjklX8HfvCbqV16ohOWbOjb9dLoqbYjtSdmPEidbZm3Ow3lEPiPbPFpsZMfRXYiNEgQ4qt6sa9RJ3/qHWIUaMyteoawgrcwYz5cxHOo5xwejuOGu6geSM3Lio0tt7CTKZ0JwH+qfRgseZep+HM=; Received: from [69.232.119.233] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:29:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <410829.73928.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db7bb0df-ce43-496f-95f6-537a066fa63a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489E7CFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well said, and exactly what I have to deal with since I do not live in an area that has a specialty store, unless I quilt (which I do not). I buy from the Internet, or travel to LA or other areas that do have the stores. I support as many of the independent vendors as my small budget will allow, and am thankful for their willingness to offer great services and great fabrics I cannot buy locally. I want quality, and I am willing to pay for the quality, and not the junk stuff. It is why I will not shop at Wally World unless I must. This applies to more than fabric. I just wish I could also support US makers of fine fabrics, and not end up in the imports, too... but that's a whole other kettle of stinky fish that I won't get into. Kimiko > When real sewers see that all they can get at the store is > junk except for > the occasional "find" they stop going and they > stop buying. > It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. Junk so bad (usually) > that it isn't worth > buying because it will fall apart quickly, or not do what > you want because > it is the wrong weight, or dead dinosaur (polyester) is too > expensive even > at $1.00 a yard. > For those who have been completely fabric deprived by the > machinations of a > huge business... There's the Internet; I hear the > screaming now but it's > almost all that is left. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 02:20:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7A6Kli4030689 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:20:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A6Khfr004966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:20:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7A6J98H085797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A6J81X001890; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7A6J6Lg001829 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 09F3640D70 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:19:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <7A320F39-9B2F-41F7-AD47-FE4D4E98344B@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cba4775-fd89-4969-ab42-ca6e6193291e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489E88BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When this started last year I received a different letter. Perhaps they learned from the letter they sent to me which was different because I posted it to either this list or the SCA Garb list and it was used against Wal-Mart in Arkansas when Wallies reps. tried to deny the closings. De -----Original Message----- Feedback from a Friend says SHE got the identical letter, as well. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 07:03:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AB35iC028514 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:03:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AB30P3016812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:03:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AB2Ukq094681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AB2QtE043546; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AB2Mdq043454 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.be0.3e1f102b (30738) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:02:13 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics--veering OT and a rant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12546e3c-7b19-48e7-b6f0-520aa77eb8c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489ECAE4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:03:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Even though it is a canned letter, that doesn't mean it wasn't a reasoned response, and it indicates that someone has done something. One doesn't always get any kind of response. Sorry, I just get really tired of constant Walmart bashing. I don't work for them, don't own stock, etc. But, to me, Walmart is the epitome of the American experience. Sam Walton started with one single Ben Franklin store and went from there. I was disappointed when, in Mississippi, Walmart bought out Gaylord's and didn't put in a fabric department, which, of course, Gaylord's didn't have. That was in the mid-1980s. I will be sad if they close ALL the fabric departments, but the "canned" letter makes it sound like they don't plan to do so, and I'll add my voice to others and let them know how I feel. I've had an experience of needing a yard of ribbon at 11:00 at night at Walmart and not being able to find anyone to cut it. (Of course, how many places can you even shop for ribbon at 11:00 at night?) But I've had a dreadful lack-of-customer-service experience at Hancock Fabrics, too. And the big local Super JoAnn's that opened in our area about ten years ago got rid of all the great exotic silks and wools within a couple of years--I assume they just didn't sell. Alas, though, fabric stores in general just aren't doing that well, as people aren't sewing as much. I can only get to NY once a year, at most, and I don't want to shop for everything on line--I'm too tactile for that, so I'll miss the local outlets if they all go away. I live in the DC area, and I have seen a great decline in variety at G Street (and I don't think it is just the new generation running the place--I still think it boils down to PEOPLE AREN'T SEWING AS MUCH. During the last sale, I went with my additional 25% off coupon and had a hard time finding ANYTHING I wanted to buy.) Okay, enough of my rant. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 07:11:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7ABBhxW028832 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:11:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7ABBZNF011717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7ABBC7B095127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7ABBCjQ048241; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7ABB9lP048182 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.d06.3a24fa65 (30738) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:10:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric shops, was walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b422cc25-b699-469a-bd9f-5fa25ec467fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489ECCE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 13:08:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AH8Glt010103 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:08:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AH8A0m004523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:08:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AH7p74009470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AH7lpF075257; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AH7jQL075234 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cilean@dracolore.com) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id c31so2979601poi.1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.53.4 with SMTP id f4mr2888401rvk.82.1218388063751; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.19 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b0cac540808101007v8a02555vb5a1479625965914@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:07:43 -0700 From: "Simone Bryan" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 297 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68f4004d-ae86-4fe4-88bc-fd13887d21d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489F207A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:08:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, Moda is now out of print and QEWU has not been retired as yet, so I would suggest you get Moda, and then save again for QEWU. So while I think you would gain some great information with that book as well. Cilean On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? (Etiennette@comcast.net) > 2. Re: Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? (Etiennette@comcast.net) > 3. Re: Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? (00217146@bigred.unl.edu) > 4. Re: Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? (Maggie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 > From: Etiennette@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? > To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" > > Message-ID: > < > 080720081630.29487.489B2323000CDFE80000732F2213539653039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi there, > Actually Moda is in both Italian and English (on the same page!! ). I love > QEWU. If you are just starting out in this field, then I think that is the > book to start with. > > Etiennette > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Maggie > > > Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is > still > > only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know > what > > you're looking at. > > > > MaggiRos > > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > > > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > > > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > > > > > Sg > > > > > > > -- > > Maggie Secara > > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your > favorite > > online bookseller > > International readers may want to use > > http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:30:28 +0000 > From: Etiennette@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? > To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" > > Message-ID: > < > 080720081630.29487.489B2323000CDFE80000732F2213539653039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi there, > Actually Moda is in both Italian and English (on the same page!! ). I love > QEWU. If you are just starting out in this field, then I think that is the > book to start with. > > Etiennette > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Maggie > > > Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is > still > > only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know > what > > you're looking at. > > > > MaggiRos > > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great > > > fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other > > > book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. > > > > > > Sg > > > > > > > -- > > Maggie Secara > > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your > favorite > > online bookseller > > International readers may want to use > > http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:40:09 -0500 > From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20080807114009.8laol0h5v8cowo4g@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > All other things being equal, I would buy Elizabeth and save up for > Moda next time. Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe has more of the wonderful > details about who made what and with what tools; it's more of a > snapshot of Elizabethan clothing industry, with an emphasis on Royal > clothing. > > > > Hi, > > > > I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am > > hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe > > unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any > > special area of interest, so Florence or England are both > > interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of > > large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction > > (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) > > > > If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Zuzana > > ___________________________ > > Sartor...custom-made costumes > > www.sartor.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:02:17 -0700 > From: Maggie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > At 17:21 07/08/2008, you wrote: > > > >> Also QEWU has the great virtue of being in English. I believe Moda is > >> still > >> only in Italian, which means great pictures but you may not always know > >> what > >> you're looking at. > >> > > > > No, Moda a Firenze has one half of the page in Italian, the other in > > English, so there is no difficulty with the Italian language. The > pictures > > are superb, and the text is very useful. I would vote to save up and get > > both! (Anyone going to Florence in November might find Moda the more > > useful.) > > > > Suzi > > > > Well darn! I wish I'd known that last weekend. Well, no, perhaps I don't. I > got both the Court of Henry VIII book and (finally) roy Strong's Cult of > Elizabeth at Costume College, and that was probably enough. > > MaggiRos > -- > Maggie Secara > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite > online bookseller > International readers may want to use > http://www.amazon.ca/Compendium-Common-Knowledge-1558-1603/dp/0981840108 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 297 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 13:45:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AHjCRY011406 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:45:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AHiX90030393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AHiFpP011138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AHiFhp001515; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AHiDoB001499 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DA6233FD36 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics--veering OT and a rant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0de9f37b-196d-4b85-8427-7c557f0d723c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 489F2901.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- De: This is true, most don't give a response but the "canned" response comes across as impersonal and almost as if they're blowing you off. I do not have a dislike for Wal-Mart, just some of their decisions. I think that getting a bad sales clerk is a luck of the draw as I have fairly good relations with my stores sales clerks. I know that Wal-Mart fabrics help keep Joann's in check with their prices like Kmart used to do with Wal-Mart before the local Kmart went away. Staffing the fabric department isn't easy. As an employee you start out needing to be a "jack of all trades" so that even if you are in one department they want to be able to temporarily shuttle you to another if the case arises. <> De: Joann's has their agenda but does need input from their "loyal" customers so they can try to tweak the local stores if the tweaking doesn't take it to far from the agenda and makes money for them. Always ask the manager at a JA if they can carry something and they can always check it out. The more people that ask for it, the more likely they will try to work it out to carry it. It took 2 yrs but enough people asked for linen that they now carry a really good selection at my store. They can't get in the white sheer 100% linen but they do have the cotton/ linen blend that works great for Italian ren. camicia and partlet. Something that Joann's did after several had suggested was having the holiday fabrics come out several months early. X-mas fabric used to come out in October, now it starts in out in July. <> De: I think that the "aren't sewing as much" is a regional thing and maybe there is sewing but sewing of a specific type. Here in my town the Jr Highs teach HomeEc (or Human Environmental Sciences) and their sewing projects are simple pillow, jockey shorts, handbags, tree skirts....etc. The High school's HE sewing project is an apparel item(s). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 13:54:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AHsR98011672 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:54:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AHsBkl021338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AHrtf5011577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AHrtiZ007939; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AHrqqv007894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.75] (dial-209-148-100-75.sonic.net [209.148.100.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m7AHroY6031220 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:53:50 -0700 Message-ID: <489F2B2F.5010200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:53:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 779b6724-be9d-4ced-bb45-7f98e9c8d534 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 489F2B43.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:54:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Alas, though, fabric stores in general just aren't doing that well, as > people aren't sewing as much. Is fewer sewers necessarily the reason? I think part of it is that many fabric sales may be made on the net these days. That's how I I've bought most of my fabric for several years. It's a lot easier when you work long hours--on the net you can buy fabric any time of day without taking the time to drive anywhere. No, buying on the net is not as much fun as browsing a good fabric store--and the San Francisco Bay Area is blessed with numerous good independents. The tactile experience is missing, and getting swatches (which I seldom do) is slow. Yes, the color can turn out to be a bit different from the way it looks on my monitor. But I almost always buy fabric when I see it and decide what to do with it later, so I seldom run into problems with buying the wrong weight or color for a specific project. I buy a lot of vintage tablecloths and trims on eBay and stockpile those. "Buy it when you see it" is definitely the best strategy for vintage items. I only go to Jo-Ann's for notions, and then only because there is one in a mall a fairly short drive away. I've never set foot in a Wal-Mart in my life. I try to stockpile notions too--I bought a huge lot of hooks and eyes, and similar things, in bulk from Greenberg & Hammer--but there are times when I need some different notion in a hurry. There was a quilting store a few streets over, where I could buy thread and hand sewing needles--but they went out of business. I only see labeling problems at discount stores, the kind of places that sell garment manufacturer over-buys. There is a chain called Discount Fabrics here that only vaguely labels most fabrics--like putting up a big row of "cottons" that clearly includes some blends when you look at the fabrics. There is a Discount Fabrics near my dentist's, and I usually go there on the way home after having my teeth cleaned. It's an OK store, I've bought some good things there, but it's definitely a place for serendipity rather than planned purchases. So why is it there that I usually go in person, rather than to the several much better fabric stores in the area (Britex, Poppy, Satin Moon?) Because I don't have to make a special trip, I'm already practically there anyway. And going to either Britex (downtown) or Satin Moon (in San Francisco's most congested restaurant district) is a parking nightmare. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com I can only get to NY once a year, at most, and I > don't want to shop for everything on line--I'm too tactile for that, so I'll > miss the local outlets if they all go away. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 16:05:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AK5cot016456 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:05:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AK5UTu018968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AK52uk017565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AK512F091609; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AK4wYV091576 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7269F0429 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:11:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <489AEDE7.5070505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489AEDE7.5070505@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200808101611.05523.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabric dept. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae527a19-f8c3-468b-bd6f-c518f33a5ef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489F4A0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:05:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Our local Wal-Mart pretty much specializes in tacky polyesters, so I don't use it much, and won't care if they cease to carry fabric. In addition, I live near the Philadelphia fabric district, am within a 2-hour drive/train ride of the New York fabric district, and have access to plenty of on-line sources. ;-) It's my experience that Wal-Mart stocks better goods, and a better variety of goods, if it's located in a more rural area where people are more likely to depend upon it. I could be wrong about that, though, as I haven't been to that many different Wal-Mart locations. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 16:28:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AKSvai017633 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AKSp2N001291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:28:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AKSWbX018512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AKSVCn005384; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AKSSg9005360 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFC99F0429 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200808101634.36419.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Quick change artists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6c646ab-0cba-45c5-892c-c94c9dbe1365 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 489F4F83.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2008 5:03:37 pm Robin Netherton wrote: > This is definitely costume, but not historical, so this is OT, but I had to > show this around. Or am I the last person to know about this? The video has > been up for a couple of years: > > http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RB-wUgnyGv0 Incredible. Thanks for sending the URL. [snip] > Whatever technology they use, I wonder if it could be used to create a > series that takes you through time, e.g. decade by decade in the 1900s. > (OK, so now at least this post is historical.) I doubt it. It looks to me as though all of the costumes (at least for the woman) are of extremely thin, drapey fabric. In addition, I saw no evidence of a change of underwear. I doubt you could get the right silhouettes for historical costume, even for the 1900s, with such fabrics. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 16:32:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7AKWEc1017872 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:32:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7AKWA9A028715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7AKVu2W018645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AKVuNK007340; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7AKVqdi007289 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1169F0429 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:37:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <489CB4A9.1030200@netherton.net> <489CC6F1.60909@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> In-Reply-To: <489CC6F1.60909@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200808101637.58664.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Quick change artists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4a74579-649f-4322-b441-b691e5aed04c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 489F504A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2008 6:21:37 pm Wendi Dunlap wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > Absolutely amazing. I think -- after replaying multiple times -- that > > the green one unfolds from the shoulders into the blue one, but I can't > > figure out the rest of them, and even with unfolding, I can't imagine > > how you could fit more than two or three in any one garment. > > http://home.comcast.net/~x.watermist/Non.html explains how it works. > > It's very cool, even if you know the secret. :) Thanks! This is extremely educational. -- Cathy Raymond "Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny."--Edmund Burke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 20:49:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7B0noIg027929 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:49:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7B0njOE002574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7B0nJEF027929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B0nGN1049676; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B0nDMv049645 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1778044302 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:49:08 +0000 Message-ID: <05b001c8fb4c$18add1b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:49:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2032158-99d4-4d2e-a6e5-f82a8cf1b197 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489F8CA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm reading week-old mail, so my appolgies if this has been linked already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpuxcNdGc0 video of wrapping a turban. There is another called 'how to tie a turban' that I didn't watch. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 21:06:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7B16bm7028394 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:06:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7B16VmA006567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7B16AQP028635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B16APi057775; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B1670o057682 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.bd7.38c5f935 (14502) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:05:58 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bd7.38c5f935.35d0ea76_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c6d17c0-59fd-4073-b357-0c08793be51c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 489FAA6A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've always had the idea it was pressing. Otherwise, I have no idea MaggiRos 2008/8/10 > > > > I saw this painting at the National Gallery of Art today and was intrigued > by the ridging on the under dress with it's parallel, wavy lines. Was > this > done by stitching, and if so, how? > > _A Young Woman and Her Little Boy - Image_ > (http://www.nga.gov/fcgi-bin/timage_f?object=1143&image=2109&c=gg21) > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 00:11:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7B4B44R001501 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:11:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7B4Au4T016524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7B4AQiH035615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B4ANXW059405; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7B4AMAC059389 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2424777wfg.23 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:10:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=eH/bI4p/1/gQ1RGdVaM57HMWvpUn4vhdxren+PApiyk=; b=vWHeLL2/JbzZO3f+Yh+T0RXgH9sf8QFRyv8U5OnryW9rRMoDr8gklL8FJJxJSorpBi sAxOvx7G9uGiDcSfuJ1nRBHVUr/zkHc8yok/F0dtIctlwivfhFZWGukqG9iRU42kj+sL UwaiXGTHDgaDYVh8fMrUuB9jjf1IjvgA156Mc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=EpOY8dIOec733LBlOdOtBo1dyX7+WL342hRBiT0KKWCCo2OPRcTFGtCNsPCjEwmNwr j1UX3XCWRZ9uvzETHokQYw3l8E3rYeoHiS7XiRAH5SZ60Ut0eytf9njEY3GO4w6QYbcs EbonL3F8X3UAx00NM9+p5ytk4t7jfJPp/p9QE= Received: by 10.142.104.9 with SMTP id b9mr1944653wfc.82.1218427821816; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [67.160.37.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm2158315wfa.10.2008.08.10.21.10.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:09:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acj7XT1bukl2eUUoR16LFR/JudqOmwACDBbw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <489fbbac.1e018e0a.2989.3900@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Similar partlet http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Angelo_Bronzino_045.jpg http://tinyurl.com/5bbalc This could be pin tucking or a another technique that I am not familiar with. example of pin tucking or fabric origami(?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/elelvis/sets/72157594523457921/ http://www.brother-usa.com/usaimages/AccessoryImages/Large/sa162.jpg http://tinyurl.com/56arac De -----Original Message----- I've always had the idea it was pressing. Otherwise, I have no idea MaggiRos 2008/8/10 > > > > I saw this painting at the National Gallery of Art today and was intrigued > by the ridging on the under dress with it's parallel, wavy lines. Was > this > done by stitching, and if so, how? > > _A Young Woman and Her Little Boy - Image_ > (http://www.nga.gov/fcgi-bin/timage_f?object=1143&image=2109&c=gg21) > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 07:56:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BBuSr4002698 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:56:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BBuMmZ012056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:56:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BBtwM8050924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BBtsRC026142; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BBtpPW026037 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.bc0.3ae015be (34971) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA078-889b48a028bed8; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:42 -0400 Message-Id: <05476B84-305E-4A38-8DF4-D752F0784CAA@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <489fbbac.1e018e0a.2989.3900@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:42 -0400 References: <489fbbac.1e018e0a.2989.3900@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? 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Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:49:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BCnXI4019584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:49:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BCnIFX053006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BCnIQV063143; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BCnF5m063105 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1778294284 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00ef01c8fbb0$b4302890$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] do you work with leather? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57d0fc67-1e6d-4b25-a522-9915d79412d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A0355D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:49:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's not a costume related problem, but if any of you work with leather, maybe you have some suggestions for me? Last weekend I reupholstered a chair with leather. It's nice, full-grain supple calf like they sell for making chaps. It's smooth side up and reasonably easy care -- BUT -- I still planned to put some saddle-lac or other finish on it before we used it. I left Wed. to visit my mom and told everyone to stay out of that chair until I got back. Well, no one sat in it, but my son and his friend ate tacos in the living room (grrrrr) and the dim-wit friend set his dinner plate on that chair. The plate must have been greasy on the bottom, because now there is a black half circle on the seat of the chair! It looks just like someone set a wet paint can on the seat. Any ideas on how to get it off or at least lighten it? As an absolute last resort, I might have enough hide left over to cut another piece and re-do it, but *damn* I don't want to do that again! Not only do I not want to put even more work into the chair, I was hoping to use the rest of the hide to do the top of the ottoman. grrrrr.... teenagers! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 09:22:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BDMvaM005068 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BDMq3N024046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BDHK7B054287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BDHIs7083997; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BDHFEm083884 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W29 ([65.55.138.64]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.210.54] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:17:09 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <05b001c8fb4c$18add1b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> References: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <05b001c8fb4c$18add1b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 13:17:09.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F5F9470:01C8FBB4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 698f706e-3a5e-4ec5-9e0d-c07eb8ec1c41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A03D2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hey! There are a bunch of 'em! This one goes through several kinds....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUyw3X1TcM&NR=1 > From: landofoz@netins.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:49:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans > > I'm reading week-old mail, so my appolgies if this has been linked already: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpuxcNdGc0 > > video of wrapping a turban. There is another called 'how to tie a turban' > that I didn't watch. > > Denise > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 09:29:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BDTe9e005233 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:29:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BDTZ67028054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BDTC9B055036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BDTCjM093148; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BDT8so093020 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c1d.46a36a98 (37228) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c48a03e99269; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:28:58 -0400 Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00ef01c8fbb0$b4302890$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:28:58 -0400 References: <00ef01c8fbb0$b4302890$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] do you work with leather? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bf4994d-a575-423e-b017-ce1b809c45a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A03EBF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO From Horse Tack Care experience: Only suggestion is to keep saddle soaping and oiling until all the leather looks the same color. Saddles normally darken with age with this method, "blending" all the wear and tear into a "patina". Susan On Aug 11, 08, at 8:49 AM, Land of Oz wrote: > It's not a costume related problem, but if any of you work with > leather, maybe you have some suggestions for me? > > Last weekend I reupholstered a chair with leather. It's nice, full- > grain supple calf like they sell for making chaps. It's smooth side > up and reasonably easy care -- BUT -- I still planned to put some > saddle-lac or other finish on it before we used it. > > I left Wed. to visit my mom and told everyone to stay out of that > chair until I got back. Well, no one sat in it, but my son and his > friend ate tacos in the living room (grrrrr) and the dim-wit friend > set his dinner plate on that chair. The plate must have been greasy > on the bottom, because now there is a black half circle on the seat > of the chair! It looks just like someone set a wet paint can on the > seat. > > Any ideas on how to get it off or at least lighten it? As an > absolute last resort, I might have enough hide left over to cut > another piece and re-do it, but *damn* I don't want to do that > again! Not only do I not want to put even more work into the chair, > I was hoping to use the rest of the hide to do the top of the ottoman. > > grrrrr.... teenagers! > > Denise B > Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 10:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BEJPtd006796 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:19:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BEJ5wm007180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BEIlkA058669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BEIjdD042284; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BEIfHr042146 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.cea.3c7b9e4d (37045) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB033-90b548a04a3a17a; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:34 -0400 Received: from FWM-D19 (fwm-d19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.211]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748a04a331a4; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:27 -0400 References: <00ef01c8fbb0$b4302890$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:27 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <00ef01c8fbb0$b4302890$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:27 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC9D441E370DE-16C8-86A@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] do you work with leather? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9632c525-b161-46d7-88ca-1c7a899d5bac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A04A5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, no one sat in it, but my son and his friend ate tacos in the living room (grrrrr) and the dim-wit friend set his dinner plate on that chair. The plate must have been greasy on the bottom, because now there is a black half circle on the seat of the chair! It looks just like someone set a wet paint can on the seat. My sympathies.? You might try?a leather detergent cleaner or foam leather upholstery cleaner--like is designed for car interiors.? (And I can just hear your son--but mooooom, we DIDN'T sit in it!) Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Land of Oz To: Historical Costume Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 8:49 am Subject: [h-cost] do you work with leather? It's not a costume related problem, but if any of you work with leather, maybe you have some suggestions for me? Last weekend I reupholstered a chair with leather. It's nice, full-grain supple calf like they sell for making chaps. It's smooth side up and reasonably easy care -- BUT -- I still planned to put some saddle-lac or other finish on it before we used it. I left Wed. to visit my mom and told everyone to stay out of that chair until I got back. Well, no one sat in it, but my son and his friend ate tacos in the living room (grrrrr) and the dim-wit friend set his dinner plate on that chair. The plate must have been greasy on the bottom, because now there is a black half circle on the seat of the chair! It looks just like someone set a wet paint can on the seat. Any ideas on how to get it off or at least lighten it? As an absolute last resort, I might have enough hide left over to cut another piece and re-do it, but *damn* I don't want to do that again! Not only do I not want to put even more work into the chair, I was hoping to use the rest of the hide to do the top of the ottoman. grrrrr.... teenagers! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 10:33:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BEXX6a007142 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:33:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BEXFQk018752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BEWimo059470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BEWi8c054125; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BEWf2j054047 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 432604C3C3 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B873F4C1CF for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D866918009D for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:32:39 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:32:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their goingout..(imho) Thread-Index: Acj5rcnPTJwnVJT7Q1O5fmrNMLNILgCD3gNA References: <862450.93218.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their goingout..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 941c73e2-924c-4f7d-b3c8-416c0dec2b9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A04DAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:33:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I noticed the fabric, um quality, in my local Walmart as well. When the store first opened in my area, there seemed to be nicer fabrics. But after a few months the quality(thread count)went down and some of my friends that seriously quilt went back to JoAnn's, Hancock, Mangelsen's, and a specialty shop that is expensive, but carries great quality cottons. Now what is left(after practically closing down the fabrics is like, eye-catching neon or bright bling, children's prints, and common basic cottons. As far as help, most of the time when I do go in for just embroidery floss(and its been awhile, there is usually no staff around, rather a "ring bell for service" And of course, if any store selects merchandise that won't sell(especially if you do it intentionally--some big businesses do), you get a tax write-off and a reason to close down store or section. If you have one buyer selecting all the fabric for a huge chain of stores, there is not going to be variety in certain stores that have a track record of selling or not selling fabrics. Support your local specialty shop or shop smaller stores online. I haven't bought fabric in Walmart for a long time and Hobby Lobby seems to be following Walmart's lead in carrying less quantity and lesser quality fabrics. But if anyone knows of a better Walmart or HL, do let their corporate offices know and do support those stores. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their goingout..(imho) Could it be the fact that they carry crap fabric in all the Walmarts perhaps be the reason, _why_ they are not profitable? Also that the people employed in the dept.are not fabric savvy? My local Walmart (la habra,Calif) has a woman who works there ,Rosetta,who literally layed across the cutting table because she was tired of cutting my order.I was making it very easy by purchasing the entire bolt,of most of the fabrics, and ordering 10 yrd increments of the ones I didn't purchase in toto. With employees like this who state "Aren't you done yet?" when you're trying to buy cloth, can run it into the ground. Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Too bad,better fabric, more savvy people could give JoAnns a run for their money, as my JoAnn's has turned into a craft store with fabric as a side line. Melody otsisto wrote: The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that "for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items". Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -----Original Message----- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her "deal", to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 11:08:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BF8FjA008115 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:08:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BF85Nj015656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BF7him061901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BF7gEq096528; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7BF7cQG096349 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86603 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 15:07:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=an5PI0jEk+2a49XxOUCv8ACZLQmMcS46LlcIpEuR+wVnLQIODtSa7dFio1XsjgxAaIDw3lf+8I/ru1c8Ul8ar2Bj29ft/FEzvltkd+vMccOh+ogadV1I8ysnEqNbHT08qHEn5cVdPCYoVvVG/CI+o0Aig0PsLKBmCR116pzLptc=; Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:07:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <951667.86524.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad0e6236-1693-4fe1-921e-bdff992fc54d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A055D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:08:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One good thing about the lack of good local fabric outlets is that I'm finally working through my stash. When buying online I'm not at all tempted to go "Oh, just give me the whole bolt." My fabric bins all close now! Trying very hard to see the positive. :) Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 11:26:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BFQmF3008835 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:26:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BFQS4F031730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BFQ6XC063169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BFQ4ko015992; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BFQ1ip015930 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DB5540DFB for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:26:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why theirgoingout..(imho) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16d498c7-8adb-41f2-8788-11be4849b68a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A05A24.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:26:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- <> De: During the day the sales clerk is responsible for the craft section and is probably either, helping elsewhere to restock or restocking the craft section, on a break..etc. The bell helps staff know that someone is needing help and lessens the need for a person to either run around looking for them or having to scream at the top of your lunges for them. At night they do not staff the fabric department so the bell is for those in the nearby department. <> De: I guess you hadn't heard. Hobby Lobby decided to down size last year. I was told that they are looking at possibly eliminating the upholstery section. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 11:46:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BFkhEC009526 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BFkYfr022415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BFk5iu064884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BFk52D036712; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BFk2U0036575 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W21 ([65.55.138.56]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.210.54] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:45:56 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <321345.4946.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <05b001c8fb4c$18add1b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 15:45:57.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[58AEFB40:01C8FBC9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d472b98f-e1e4-4683-829a-36d071548a39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A05EDA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just when you'd thought you'd seen it all..... http://www.ratemyturban.com/ > From: wickedfrau@msn.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:17:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans > > Hey! There are a bunch of 'em! This one goes through several kinds....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUyw3X1TcM&NR=1 > > > > > From: landofoz@netins.net > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:49:21 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans > > > > I'm reading week-old mail, so my appolgies if this has been linked already: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpuxcNdGc0 > > > > video of wrapping a turban. There is another called 'how to tie a turban' > > that I didn't watch. > > > > Denise > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 12:07:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BG7btL010272 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:07:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BG7WRs021578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BG7Fb6067135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BG7EjN060592; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BG78Ur060424 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C831369A1 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:07:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48A0719E.6000809@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:38 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] ...fabric stores going out of business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f526b51-46a9-426e-bfaa-e9a12e1d850e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A063C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:07:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO otsisto wrote: > < haven't bought fabric in Walmart for a long time and Hobby Lobby seems to be > following Walmart's lead in carrying less quantity and lesser quality > fabrics.>> > > De: I guess you hadn't heard. Hobby Lobby decided to down size last year. I > was told that they are looking at possibly eliminating the upholstery > section. Hobby Lobby is a crafts, art supply and home dec shop. They never were very good for costume fabrics, at least in my area. Most of the stores I have been in across their core region of Texas and OK concentrate on quilting. The upholstery section is one aisle. With a couple of real upholstery shops in the area, with better selection and the option to have them do the work it's no wonder it isn't a big earner for them. But I think HL, like a lot of chain stores are individually managed, so they make decisions based on what is selling in their location. We have a big discount upholstery fabric place less than a mile from the bigger of several HL here in town, and I noticed this morning that it has big "clearance" and "closing" signs all over it now. And this is right in the middle of yuppie-ville and the kind of folks who re-do furniture every year or two, so my guess is upholstery is not doing well for anyone these days. The question is, do I take advantage of their misfortune and buy more fabric, or pass because I already have more than I need stacked in my sewing room now? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 16:14:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7BKEA7M017907 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BKDHx5011819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BKCsUN088245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BKCoB4030819; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7BKCkAu030747 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A7A52ED81 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:12:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <48A0719E.6000809@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] ...fabric stores going out of business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8573164d-5bea-4e90-a3cc-dca967eba44b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A09D5D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is always merchanting at SCA events. :) Sitting pillows for those with Persian/Ottoman personas. Wall coverings to add to the feasting atmophere. Fabric for those who don't have fabric/upolstery stores near them. Or the famous reason to shop and buy, you never know when one might need that type and that color of fabric and get it at that cheap o' price. :) De -----Original Message----- The question is, do I take advantage of their misfortune and buy more fabric, or pass because I already have more than I need stacked in my sewing room now? 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Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:14:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <79B440D6-0734-430E-9529-E64835E846CE@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:14:17 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/8016/Mon Aug 11 19:43:58 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d88993b1-fbea-4c77-9f88-102531d5dde5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A0F344.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:19:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On a happier note, I can report that while I was on vacation in Seattle last week I found a marvelous fabric store called Nancy's that would've tempted me to buy all sorts of nice things if I'd had room in my suitcase to take them home. ;-) And it was full of people on a Saturday afternoon! 'Though I admit there weren't any sales going on and that's what most people would be looking for these days.... I think the people in Nancy's were looking for specialty items like mother-of-pearl buttons and silk ribbon for special projects. I bought a Sewing Workshop pattern -- I don't know of any place in central Iowa that stocks them. Suzanne On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:20 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > > > PS > But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I > will be > writing, too. > > Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying > attention. > > I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we > were all > lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is > because folks > aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 10:35:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7CEZVWj002458 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7CEZGaG014640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7CEYtZI043549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CEYoSZ051876; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CEYlb9051749 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W49 ([65.55.138.84]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.215.20] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:34:41 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <05476B84-305E-4A38-8DF4-D752F0784CAA@aol.com> References: <489fbbac.1e018e0a.2989.3900@mx.google.com> <05476B84-305E-4A38-8DF4-D752F0784CAA@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2008 14:34:42.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EBC0E20:01C8FC88] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? 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Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:17 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:15 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. (Robin Netherton) Thread-Index: Acjxmib8lnPKsevCT7mjSTvoKzX0lALDE5lg Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA119CF394@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <831cf34a0807290939n78adef75wb7751ab66daa917@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <831cf34a0807290939n78adef75wb7751ab66daa917@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. (Robin Netherton) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14a3389e-c558-4138-8c3f-7cc7b52b347a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A1D1AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Me, too! Patty Rickard -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Christine Shamblin Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:39 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture plans: Ohio and L.A. (Robin Netherton) Looking forward to it! I've already put it on my calendar. You will let us know when the registration site for Oxford is up, won't you? Christine Shamblin -- "I'm a Material Girl...want to see my fabric collection?" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 14:09:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7CI9ZQN012785 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7CI9Tmd021231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7CI97au059997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CI96Bo089607; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from asmtpout012.mac.com (asmtpout012.mac.com [17.148.16.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CI93BP089459 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from UWPC4BY5831 ([140.107.73.202]) by asmtp012.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K5I00KVX2EXDP30@asmtp012.mac.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <001701c8fca6$7d6f8390$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> From: Agnes Gawne To: h-costume@indra.com References: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:08:57 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Nancy's Sewing Basket in Seattle was Re: walmart fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: decaf7db-cd70-47ce-b875-a66266e046fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A1D1D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzanne - Glad you found Nancy's. It is a really nice store as you say. You may remember a few years ago a pattern line (they only made 2 patterns) called La Mode Bagatelle? Well, you probably met the 2 women who made those patterns if you were in Nancy's on a Saturday. Susan works in the Ribbon Room (at the back of the store, I hope you went in there) and Tamara manages the store. Even though it costs a fair amount to shop at Nancy's I know I will get a good product every time. And isn't my time worth good fabric? Agnes > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:14:17 -0500 > From: Suzanne > Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <79B440D6-0734-430E-9529-E64835E846CE@cybermesa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On a happier note, I can report that while I was on vacation in > Seattle last week I found a marvelous fabric store called Nancy's > that would've tempted me to buy all sorts of nice things if I'd had > room in my suitcase to take them home. ;-) And it was full of > people on a Saturday afternoon! 'Though I admit there weren't any > sales going on and that's what most people would be looking for these > days.... I think the people in Nancy's were looking for specialty > items like mother-of-pearl buttons and silk ribbon for special > projects. I bought a Sewing Workshop pattern -- I don't know of any > place in central Iowa that stocks them. > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 15:19:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7CJJDsm016313 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:19:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7CJJ7gZ021713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7CJIlYa064908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CJIjYf070579; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CJIgRe070372 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.c3b.3fb474d6 (14501) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:18:32 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] technique used? (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 305) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 742fc050-9224-4711-a6b4-73b414470805 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A1E22B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:19:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FRT_OFFER2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have received several different responses to how those wavy lines were done on the under chemise: finely-stitched pleats/tucks and goffering with a special goffer iron. I've also been told by one person that the reason the flat parts between the wavy lines are flat and not pulled out of shape by the waves is that the flat parts are separate pieces of fabric that are sewn to the sections that have been "lined", as it were. I am now somewhat confused as to how, exactly, this was done. 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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 15:53:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7CJrMx3017683 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:53:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7CJrGPl016364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7CJqttX067681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CJqsXd009997; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:52:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7CJqoub009913 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AAB83DA0F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:52:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] technique used? (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 305) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fc81e41-da93-483e-8cfc-e18d3a632fb6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A1EA2C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:53:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually it is a partlet, shawl, or scarf, not a chemise. You can see the chemise/camicia in the opening under the pearl closure. It looks as if it is a scarf that is draped around the shoulder and the flesable pleats allow it to lay down. I have a hard time believing that it is several panels, just by the way it lays. It could be pintucks and then the pattern could be woven into the material. It could be something like smocking as it lays as if smocked. Because we do not have the item, we can only guess at what it might be. All we can do is play around and see if we get something close. In the back of my mind I keep thinking about Fortuny and his Delphos gowns, maybe a similar process. De -----Original Message----- I have received several different responses to how those wavy lines were done on the under chemise: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 21:13:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7D1Du2w028519 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:13:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7D1Dmp6014399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7D1D9Zw086681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7D1D5Ls004208; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.72.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7D1D2XS004104 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m_mc_nealy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37778 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 01:12:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qNjhXnw4mN2sKAudIHY4bOcQkO7K/TifC8P27Zn1kGH7UAZH5gWZFqa9KRrO0gj7OS9ZDQ3p7I1n26WNfHfh3BIGR9YewiMvZ/oU8vH6yS5zs+tyB7phbeIPRdIefAgP4YSPOATVg6hhKsbpGjGSzLnHdMKVBWPFQY7QYDd4tTE=; Received: from [72.218.226.164] by web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:12:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Marion McNealy To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <884326.37717.qm@web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:08:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear All, =A0 I am a lurker and sporatic one at that, so I apologize if this has already = been suggested-- =A0 I have sewn shaped pintucks by machine using a twin needle.=A0 Below is a l= ink to=A0a child's dress using the technique.=A0=A0By clicking on the small= photos, you can see a larger version. http://fwebb.com/children/budget.html =A0 These are corded twin-needle pintucks.=A0 They=A0were stitched on white cot= ton batiste and simultaneously corded with pink pearl cotton which=A0shadow= ed through the white batiste. =A0 I have also stitched wavy and scalloped twin-needle pintucks successfully o= n silk dupioni and handkerchief linen. =A0 For the first pintuck, trace the=A0shape using a water-erasable marker or c= halk pencil.=A0 Follow your=A0 shape.=A0 At pivot points, stop with the nee= dles down, lift the presser foot, gently pivot, then continue.=A0 The needl= es twist slightly but straighten out when you begin sewing again.=A0 For ad= ditional tucks, use the grooves in your pintuck foot just as you would for = straight pintucks. =A0 Twin-needle pintucks look different if=A0they are stitched parallel to the= =A0selvage or from selvage to selvage.=A0 You can also change the depth of = the tuck by adjusting your needle tension.=A0 My machine (Pfaff) has a litt= le attachment that goes just in front of the=A0pintuck foot to make the tuc= ks deeper. =A0 Have fun experimenting!=A0 And please let me know if you have questions. =A0 Thanks, Frances in Virginia --- On Tue, 8/12/08, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:34:41 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Probably, but in this case I think you'd have problems with the serger seam showing through on the bottom. The pin tucks appear larger than those made= by specialized feet on most machines.... But the seam itself could be done wi= th a straight stitch...(but not too tight-might be too stiff)...and then pulled = into the scallop shape by hand.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 12:37:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DGbhiO014932 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DGbbk2014304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:37:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DGakGX029762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DGaSqR036402; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DGaPIh036237 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K5J00974SS8JT50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:35:54 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c586e96e-a3a9-491e-96bd-7a746eff2b35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A30DD1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is fabulous! Thank you both for sharing this. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral,Madrid Spain http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy Sg Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 15:25:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DJPDEI027261 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DJP82U027062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DJOk5w042796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DJOiqV021531; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DJOdVO021339 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 700 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 19:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:33 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8fd82$a09934b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9gp+vRq76E+izT9GK32nyE5SUXQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 679a0a84-1bd6-4aad-ba91-de5ef485ebb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A33514.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Has anyone on the list laid hands on an extant 16th-century square-necked ladies' smock? If so, can you tell me how the neck is finished? Facing? Applied needlework? Rolled hem? Someone asked me, and I suddenly realized I have no basis in fact for how I "do" mine... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:19:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DLJEU0001168 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:19:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DLJ8Xm030215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:19:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DLIjUc051198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLIinA043894; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (imail.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLIe0L043747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as1.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502116.70671920; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:18:24 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:18:14 -0700 Message-Id: <48A2ED20.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:18:08 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000201c8fd82$a09934b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <000201c8fd82$a09934b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63a674bb-1d5b-4b09-aaf8-4d998bc141ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A34FCC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:19:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend of mine was able to photograph the Elizaethan era smock at the museum in Manchester last year. I'll ask her and get back to the list. Ginni >>> Frank A Thallas Jr 8/13/08 1:24 PM >>> Has anyone on the list laid hands on an extant 16th-century square-necked ladies' smock? If so, can you tell me how the neck is finished? Facing? Applied needlework? Rolled hem? Someone asked me, and I suddenly realized I have no basis in fact for how I "do" mine... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:25:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DLPMpo001422 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:25:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DLPGq0022363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:25:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DLOgmT051628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLOfYN049844; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DLOadp049716 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 2684 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 21:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:24:30 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:24:42 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c8fd93$62a48c70$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48A2ED20.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9ijsqc5HTt9jNQ6mjM36HHNCPkQACNjCw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a241e70-8127-4041-8722-b801fe4cb7fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A3513D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:25:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! I never thought of it before this morning, and now I HAVE to find out as much as possible...am gleefully gathering portraits.... Liadain Juuuuussssssst a little OCD.... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ginni Morgan Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:18 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae A friend of mine was able to photograph the Elizaethan era smock at the museum in Manchester last year. I'll ask her and get back to the list. Ginni _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:31:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DLVf0I001724 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DLVZ5I017127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DLVF9W052056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLVErE055837; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (imail.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLV9WB055682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as1.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502116.70673032; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:31:05 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:30:55 -0700 Message-Id: <48A2F019.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:30:49 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000201c8fd82$a09934b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <000201c8fd82$a09934b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae - additional information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db80c42e-db9c-47be-ac2f-73cb774bdc5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A352B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the meantime, I looked at the one photograph she gave me and it appears that the garment has a yoke with a square neck and a slit opening on the back side. The yoke is fully lined with the seam turned to the inside and what appears to be a line of topstitching worked along the edge just inside the neckline. I would guess the topstitching is only about a *" or less from the edge. There is a band of blackwork (about 1" wide) that runs completely around the neck and does not show through on the facing. The sleeves have three bands of blackwork running the length of each sleeve. Ginni >>> Frank A Thallas Jr 8/13/08 1:24 PM >>> Has anyone on the list laid hands on an extant 16th-century square-necked ladies' smock? If so, can you tell me how the neck is finished? Facing? Applied needlework? Rolled hem? Someone asked me, and I suddenly realized I have no basis in fact for how I "do" mine... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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Thanks Carol =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Chicagoland Co= stumer's Guild=A0www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/costumemidwest/=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:42:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DLgB7I002117 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:42:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DLg69P027764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DLfrBw052847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLfrE9066442; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DLfk9i066182 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 17932 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:39 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c8fd95$c834ff50$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48A2F019.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9i/af5j6l1EQMRW62BV1e7YfhgQACVqiA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae - additionalinformation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4701959a-5334-4399-b1a7-e621998c2d65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A3552E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kewl! So far I haven't gone off the historical path with mine, unless this one hnas been re-worked at some point (though I'm sure museum would note that.) Why the slit, I wonder? In the neckline? Is the neck smaller that we would expect, or about what we see in portraits? And BTW, do you know the approximate year of this smock? Thanks for sharing! Liadain Gonna start saving up for that trip to England... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ginni Morgan Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae - additionalinformation In the meantime, I looked at the one photograph she gave me and it appears that the garment has a yoke with a square neck and a slit opening on the back side. The yoke is fully lined with the seam turned to the inside and what appears to be a line of topstitching worked along the edge just inside the neckline. I would guess the topstitching is only about a *" or less from the edge. There is a band of blackwork (about 1" wide) that runs completely around the neck and does not show through on the facing. The sleeves have three bands of blackwork running the length of each sleeve. Ginni _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:44:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DLih26002205 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DLicX6010747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DLiQeY053083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DLiQWg068889; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com (gateway06.websitewelcome.com [69.93.179.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DLiNEg068833 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 18571 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 21:53:30 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 21:53:30 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55072) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KTO8c-0000AG-IU; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:44:14 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20080813174409.8u8pzcxy0c480kwc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:09 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <001401c8fd93$62a48c70$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <001401c8fd93$62a48c70$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b56009d3-3959-4f68-a9b5-df381904dfdf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A355C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > Thanks! I never thought of it before this morning, and now I HAVE to find > out as much as possible...am gleefully gathering portraits.... Have you looked at Jane Stockton's embroidery page? I think that there's lots of links to blackwork stuff there. Or google for blackwork ..... (but then you've done that already, right?) > Liadain > Juuuuussssssst a little OCD.... nah. I'm a little OCD. I wound up with a PhD because I wanted to identify my Trillium pictures! jerusha/ susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:06:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DM6pqd002984 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DM6j5P013044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:06:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DM6Mq2054598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DM6Mps089985; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DM6Hx4089861 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 5338 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:11 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8fd99$351cc280$5e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <20080813174409.8u8pzcxy0c480kwc@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9jc4YsjBMhtj6Rg2FgjgbZRJUzgACyEzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9590b932-809d-4562-8704-cd242d1def92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A35AF5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Haven't "been" much of anywhere yet, since must keep taking time out for Little Orphan Kitteh, but plan to do a lot of surfing later! L And I ain't even gonna get a degree out of all this! THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > Thanks! I never thought of it before this morning, and now I HAVE to find > out as much as possible...am gleefully gathering portraits.... Have you looked at Jane Stockton's embroidery page? I think that there's lots of links to blackwork stuff there. Or google for blackwork ..... (but then you've done that already, right?) > Liadain > Juuuuussssssst a little OCD.... nah. I'm a little OCD. I wound up with a PhD because I wanted to identify my Trillium pictures! jerusha/ susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:19:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMJJZj003540 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:19:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMJFZt023828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMIrIo055416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMIpnH001369; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway09.websitewelcome.com (gateway09.websitewelcome.com [69.56.148.22]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DMIngd001314 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 19724 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway09.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38801) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KTOfx-0002cZ-BX; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:18:41 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20080813181836.s5b75059s8ss8444@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:18:36 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <000201c8fd99$351cc280$5e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <000201c8fd99$351cc280$5e0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 595b138e-b19a-429e-95c9-430004cda5d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A35DE3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > Haven't "been" much of anywhere yet, since must keep taking time out for > Little Orphan Kitteh, but plan to do a lot of surfing later! > > L > And I ain't even gonna get a degree out of all this! > Conservation of Textiles ...... ducking and running now, jerusha/ susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:28:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMS8wj004093 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMS3sP030385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:28:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMQVww055928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMQTQl008227; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from doj.ca.gov (as2.doj.ca.gov [167.10.5.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMQNRc008038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov) Received: from ([167.10.22.25]) by as2.doj.ca.gov with ESMTP id 5502114.71225803; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:58 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:57 -0700 Message-Id: <48A2FD00.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:25:52 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <48A2F019.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> <001901c8fd95$c834ff50$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <001901c8fd95$c834ff50$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae -additionalinformation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d95003b9-84a6-40c5-9f96-204c22789dcc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A35FF3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The shift is part of the Filmer Collection at Platt Hall in Manchester. You can go online at http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections and search the collection. You need to specify "costume" in the main section and "linen" (for material) and "shift" (for item type) in the detailed search. That will pull of a page on which this particular shift appears. It is dated to 1560-1580. Ginni >>> Frank A Thallas Jr 8/13/08 3:41 PM >>> Kewl! So far I haven't gone off the historical path with mine, unless this one hnas been re-worked at some point (though I'm sure museum would note that.) Why the slit, I wonder? In the neckline? Is the neck smaller that we would expect, or about what we see in portraits? And BTW, do you know the approximate year of this smock? Thanks for sharing! Liadain Gonna start saving up for that trip to England... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ginni Morgan Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae - additionalinformation In the meantime, I looked at the one photograph she gave me and it appears that the garment has a yoke with a square neck and a slit opening on the back side. The yoke is fully lined with the seam turned to the inside and what appears to be a line of topstitching worked along the edge just inside the neckline. I would guess the topstitching is only about a *" or less from the edge. There is a band of blackwork (about 1" wide) that runs completely around the neck and does not show through on the facing. The sleeves have three bands of blackwork running the length of each sleeve. Ginni _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:36:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMa4M9004612 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMZx64013511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMZYsS056555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMZYd9016075; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DMZVZl015948 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 27059 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:35:25 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:35:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8fd9d$4a7762d0$3d0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <20080813181836.s5b75059s8ss8444@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9kqZ4RDVY9kHXR8e96kgTjNqfMgACm2Kg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4aeac1ac-7edf-4e21-8c26-523969ad738d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A361CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That would be a great job, except for maybe the Taking Clothes Off Dead People thing... And I prolly have to go to high school before they'll let me in college, alas. THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > Haven't "been" much of anywhere yet, since must keep taking time out for > Little Orphan Kitteh, but plan to do a lot of surfing later! > > L > And I ain't even gonna get a degree out of all this! > Conservation of Textiles ...... ducking and running now, jerusha/ susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:37:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMbdFb004677 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:37:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMbOpt032733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:37:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMbAaq056675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMbAce017450; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DMb7G5017350 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 28093 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:01 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c8fd9d$83b243d0$3d0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48A2FD00.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj9k7WrxLozZNykSbKhrvxUTuXGrQACaABQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16thcent smocks/camiciae -additionalinformation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 321d93a0-851c-4bef-8aee-dab8294185b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A36224.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:37:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the link and the tip - it always helps to know which magic word will get you close to the actual item you want! Looking forward to a lovely evening of museum-surfing, Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ginni Morgan Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:26 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16thcent smocks/camiciae -additionalinformation The shift is part of the Filmer Collection at Platt Hall in Manchester. You can go online at http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections and search the collection. You need to specify "costume" in the main section and "linen" (for material) and "shift" (for item type) in the detailed search. That will pull of a page on which this particular shift appears. It is dated to 1560-1580. Ginni >>> Frank A Thallas Jr 8/13/08 3:41 PM >>> Kewl! So far I haven't gone off the historical path with mine, unless this one hnas been re-worked at some point (though I'm sure museum would note that.) Why the slit, I wonder? In the neckline? Is the neck smaller that we would expect, or about what we see in portraits? And BTW, do you know the approximate year of this smock? Thanks for sharing! Liadain Gonna start saving up for that trip to England... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ginni Morgan Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:31 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae - additionalinformation In the meantime, I looked at the one photograph she gave me and it appears that the garment has a yoke with a square neck and a slit opening on the back side. The yoke is fully lined with the seam turned to the inside and what appears to be a line of topstitching worked along the edge just inside the neckline. I would guess the topstitching is only about a *" or less from the edge. There is a band of blackwork (about 1" wide) that runs completely around the neck and does not show through on the facing. The sleeves have three bands of blackwork running the length of each sleeve. Ginni _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:38:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMcTFF004720 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMcPbV014682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMc9Co056750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMc9p3018306; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMc5pc018244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.211] (dial-209-148-100-211.sonic.net [209.148.100.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m7DMc3uW001806 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: <48A3624C.7050009@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:38:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <840548.43979.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <840548.43979.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17b907ac-3bdb-496d-9d02-e3f773381fb1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A36261.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:38:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO They carry our books, and they just placed an e-mail order with us. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carol Mitchell wrote: > You mentioned that they only had two patterns in their line. I only know of one-the Regency wardrobe. What was the other? > Thanks > Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:41:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMfath004801 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:41:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMfVUW008035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMf9mf056965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMf9Kj021242; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway14.websitewelcome.com (gateway14.websitewelcome.com [69.93.164.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7DMf66K021196 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 16973 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway14.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55894) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KTP1W-0000lr-II; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:40:58 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:40:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20080813184053.9v0iw8hdwk84ks4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:40:53 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <000201c8fd9d$4a7762d0$3d0d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <000201c8fd9d$4a7762d0$3d0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on 16th cent smocks/camiciae X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74f2768a-72cc-4a09-ae6e-891ef9054997 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A3631B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:41:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > That would be a great job, except for maybe the Taking Clothes Off Dead > People thing... > And I prolly have to go to high school before they'll let me in college, > alas. Yeah, well, There's the GED and there's the "credit for life" kinda thing. There's all kinda of ways. As an open access institution, we can't turn anybody away with a GED. They don't have to take ACT/SAT at all. Susan, that professor person ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:49:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DMnfXR005068 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DMna0E009349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DMnF74057405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMnFdg027533; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DMnDUG027431 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from UWPC4BY5831 ([140.107.73.202]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K5K00C1LA1VOU43@asmtp019.mac.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <019701c8fd96$cb2a5510$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> From: Agnes Gawne To: h-costume@indra.com References: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:49:07 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad96aef5-1ce2-4d3b-988c-1330be835267 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A36500.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle Don't confuse the two businesses. Nancy's Sewing Basket on Queen Anne Ave North in Seattle is still open and a thriving business: a great resource for patterns, books, buttons, ribbons and all sorts of fabrics. It's La Mode Bagatelle that quit making patterns, their 2 patterns were the Regency Wardrobe and the Artistic Reform Tea Gown - the stock that was printed is still being sold by Ravenrook. http://www.ravenrook.com/bagatelle/ Agnes > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:38:04 -0700 > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <48A3624C.7050009@lavoltapress.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > They carry our books, and they just placed an e-mail order with us. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > Carol Mitchell wrote: >> You mentioned that they only had two patterns in their line. I only know >> of one-the Regency wardrobe. What was the other? >> Thanks >> Carol > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 19:02:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DN2ICQ005726 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7DN2C96003452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:02:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DN1olc058217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DN1nJf038106; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7DN1j3O038046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.211] (dial-209-148-100-211.sonic.net [209.148.100.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m7DN1ijH031403 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:01:45 -0700 Message-ID: <48A367D8.2010305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:01:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <019701c8fd96$cb2a5510$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> In-Reply-To: <019701c8fd96$cb2a5510$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c08723a7-b24f-4f13-a774-c9154af6fe3b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A367F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, sorry. Nancy's Sew Basket carries our books. One of the women who owns or used to own La Mode Bagatelle worked for Nancy's and has been in charge of placing orders to us for Nancy's. La Mode Bagatelle also carried them at a vintage clothing show or two, but has not for some years. Fran Agnes Gawne wrote: > Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle > > Don't confuse the two businesses. > > Nancy's Sewing Basket on Queen Anne Ave North in Seattle is still open > and a thriving business: a great resource for patterns, books, buttons, > ribbons and all sorts of fabrics. > > It's La Mode Bagatelle that quit making patterns, their 2 patterns were > the Regency Wardrobe and the Artistic Reform Tea Gown - the stock that > was printed is still being sold by Ravenrook. > http://www.ravenrook.com/bagatelle/ > > > Agnes > >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:38:04 -0700 >> From: Lavolta Press >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nancy's in Seattle-La Mode Bagatelle >> To: Historical Costume >> Message-ID: <48A3624C.7050009@lavoltapress.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> They carry our books, and they just placed an e-mail order with us. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> >> Carol Mitchell wrote: >>> You mentioned that they only had two patterns in their line. I only >>> know of one-the Regency wardrobe. What was the other? >>> Thanks >>> Carol >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 05:36:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7E9awLr032051 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:36:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7E9aqbV024360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:36:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7E9aUpq083509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7E9aRgv051252; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7E9aOBD051165 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 57997 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 09:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.4.64?) (melanie.schuessler@sbcglobal.net@75.46.4.64 with plain) by smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:36:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _h3o0CAVM1llBA.7U1jbbf7QyeOz2xRdebu_Ivnv8WlL7K09o2VoY.qEyEt17SUXyJFy3d8FLiyesSJe0JP0F2FctVDqxgJBz.bT6KGzY1.QA32bjyNoLKuzNmlv1Yk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: References: <30410a650808131427t6f77c49fy33ecc4b7f747a9ca@mail.gmail.com> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3feea1f6-0735-495e-84a5-9197158ae8be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A3FCB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:36:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jocelyn Hinkle" > > I was browsing the Kunsthistoriches Museum collection and ran > across this > mechanical doll > http://www.khm.at/staticE/page1808.html > Mid 16th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 09:34:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7EDYH44028268 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7EDYCjr026261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EDXt3X092765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EDXrHw015035; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EDXoPp014923 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:33:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W2 ([65.55.138.37]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:32:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.215.20] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:32:49 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <30410a650808131427t6f77c49fy33ecc4b7f747a9ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 13:32:49.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EED88C0:01C8FE12] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807c91b1-1712-4308-8710-daa972a2c98c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A43454.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:34:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. Sg > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: melanie@faucet.net > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 > Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Jocelyn Hinkle" > > > > I was browsing the Kunsthistoriches Museum collection and ran > > across this > > mechanical doll > > http://www.khm.at/staticE/page1808.html > > Mid 16th century > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 10:42:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7EEga5s031486 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7EEgUvH023025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EEg4Tw096663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EEg3mJ083603; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EEg2cv083577 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so705989wra.23 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XOTz92Kpz9EVrZinSEwiMiWZYemGVXEhuT5lLpeNFVA=; b=iCNLg0kT7i1kBBY9IitsIHhJMU1P9+qYL0JFCZ9Iu8P9B8u6SrwzBV+0GNciD1Fi3R 2PPyYeoQd+yQ14a79gzFiKKD7E1QNdyDDQMY6+HIRvGWFWWRCzMKbo8m4JcwevQS4N8L rDPagcel8iu2jfayqsm8Wfkug55KPFKWOBvOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GQahQhSarQZumlj0Icoxlr3q+aFjH4xotBN+yP9rZF8fERjJ83oafbN52w20Pj01Bz vRnN0ZqW5eDGUPTY0y3+tp7IEKKbvEsGT9f5OCLB9L+lMb0W9yovkmfBm5sjiG9WtLOw Dafesjs3gRwSHzumG2ElGl8oxC72LurJKaM3U= Received: by 10.90.113.17 with SMTP id l17mr1924575agc.66.1218724921556; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590808140742o44b9051ai3dc56beab6a28877@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:42:01 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <30410a650808131427t6f77c49fy33ecc4b7f747a9ca@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4db1f49-7029-425e-aab0-32ba9b8e9266 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A44456.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This lady shows up in some of the doll histories, but the photo and blurb posted are about all that's included - if that much alex On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. > Sg > > > >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> From: melanie@faucet.net >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 >> Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "Jocelyn Hinkle" >> > >> > I was browsing the Kunsthistoriches Museum collection and ran >> > across this >> > mechanical doll >> > http://www.khm.at/staticE/page1808.html >> > Mid 16th century >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 12:29:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7EGTF8Z003204 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:29:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7EGT6NF026121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EGSms2004448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EGSiBJ008411; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EGSf3C008265 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W41 ([65.55.138.76]) by bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:28:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.215.20] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:28:36 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870801590808140742o44b9051ai3dc56beab6a28877@mail.gmail.com> References: <30410a650808131427t6f77c49fy33ecc4b7f747a9ca@mail.gmail.com> <870801590808140742o44b9051ai3dc56beab6a28877@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 16:28:36.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCFA0CC0:01C8FE2A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3852889f-b99d-480d-b238-c3d184775ffb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A45D53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It seemed familiar to me, but I don't know that I remember it being an automaton... The fabric seems to be in excellent shape. Sg > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:42:01 -0500 > From: garbaholic@gmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll > > This lady shows up in some of the doll histories, but the photo and > blurb posted are about all that's included - if that much > > alex > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. > > Sg > > > > > > > >> To: h-costume@indra.com > >> From: melanie@faucet.net > >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 > >> Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll > >> > >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 13:53:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7EHrZub006163 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7EHrTvW025766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EHqTZb011015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EHqQsf005516; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7EHqOc6005470 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so785160wra.23 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:52:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MYzpXHFmGcbMQodpjkuyQj2dY4WV6pQdl5to17qnlJo=; b=kz7AZeY4dzxfrusAajdkpLzDYeA9RRupabtMATsLkdcU+ojd+TF4R936R8Or39sAsS lIBKs6vMJwzUPLHdV3TEQqVAk/wfx4kO9RN5Xz067RaoltLctQYp4hQdIrXGnz1JR48n N0YR7ntTxeuUB72q8x74rwNyNHKvpNRXWS25k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Kdl9K++d/TbwDa6nEkpHq/SmflgKlII01xbgFYAzzHThrN20DLOgYLyz69mfgDTfyj 3d+FzU5VKoDMFic/dLT1kNgqg6Vj2t0yPQDzQ0kpvui8ReOiOK3jBR5X19m8hShIssK/ qRj1OAgf7xkEIOLIWjJ31h3ZIHDx1ulKgSHw4= Received: by 10.90.53.1 with SMTP id b1mr2193617aga.56.1218736344451; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590808141052l42ef9583kf9676146f3d2342c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:52:24 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <30410a650808131427t6f77c49fy33ecc4b7f747a9ca@mail.gmail.com> <870801590808140742o44b9051ai3dc56beab6a28877@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d313e4b-7efa-4bd7-b14d-cef439bb2d18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A47119.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm pretty sure all the listings indicate that it's an automation, though some don't go into much detail. I've seen one photo from the other side view but I suspect that it is a reversed photo. alex On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > It seemed familiar to me, but I don't know that I remember it being an automaton... The fabric seems to be in excellent shape. > Sg > > >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:42:01 -0500 >> From: garbaholic@gmail.com >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll >> >> This lady shows up in some of the doll histories, but the photo and >> blurb posted are about all that's included - if that much >> >> alex >> >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> > That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. >> > Sg >> > >> > >> > >> >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> >> From: melanie@faucet.net >> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 >> >> Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 14:50:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FIofHb015935 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FIoZjG016980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FInvL5007317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FInpM5046675; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7FInmeo046619 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29856 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 11:49:49 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29847, pid: 29853, t: 0.8914s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 11:49:48 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj/B2UclQLGa/oLQRaejtnS7ZG/2A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 941c91d0-1c64-45e0-bbc1-9d9915946409 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A5CFFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people on this list may be able to point me in the right direction. Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances surrounding my personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age 44 and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I may need to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no college education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical typist and retail clerk. I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I could really use some direction and assistance on is: A) Am I too old to pursue this? B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I may end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. Thank you all for your time. Joan B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:10:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FJAk5R016664 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:10:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FJAQ9P000563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FJ9ten008842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJ9tn9066548; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJ9pjg066421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:35 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Question regarding career path Thread-Index: Acj/B2UclQLGa/oLQRaejtnS7ZG/2AAAvvGw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA11A7A543@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> In-Reply-To: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3dfade9-1849-496e-9412-4832437dfd7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A5D4A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:10:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? Don't call them hobbies (pay doesn't matter) - they're legitimate skills! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:32:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FJWIMq017288 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:32:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FJWAQl015974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:32:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FJVsoW010387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJVslq087569; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7FJVoT3087440 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 34251 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 19:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.57.44 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 19:31:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xReq2TEVM1m7I7a3erOAF8aBqMXAbdjJHr7341qNQeameiCPuAaxFKXybEeP.6o0GKl4nMMcZ0AEiAqriFPG2YMdja1w6B3lLl1S6q6o.w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48A5D99E.204@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:31:42 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA11A7A543@Orion.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA11A7A543@Orion.campus.muc.prv> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 530781f0-0873-493f-8cb1-b9726524122b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A5D9BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Rickard, Patty wrote: > E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things > I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? > > Don't call them hobbies (pay doesn't matter) - they're legitimate skills! > and start thinking in terms of 'creating a portfolio' (removing the 'sort of' kind of thinking and the quotations around portfolio which make it seem like not a 'real' portfolio). check out the difference: "I'll create a portfolio of my projects that showcases my skills" I'm sorry I cannot advise you otherwise. Good luck! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:47:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FJlYDJ017763 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FJlRbL001422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FJb3EE010809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJb3o8092495; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7FJb0A5092433 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 15734 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:37:02 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 15706, pid: 15731, t: 0.2066s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:37:02 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c8ff0d$fe512e50$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj/DeYXuox7WWEiSUe7IIKpNfD7OAAABtIg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <48A5D99E.204@fenris.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1b88883-44aa-43be-9d31-85dde679bec8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A5DD4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you...I appreciate your comments :) and you're right...I need to change my "mindset" on it. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / ! ! // / Joan B [_] |[_| unicorn@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:32 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path Rickard, Patty wrote: > E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things > I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? > > Don't call them hobbies (pay doesn't matter) - they're legitimate skills! > and start thinking in terms of 'creating a portfolio' (removing the 'sort of' kind of thinking and the quotations around portfolio which make it seem like not a 'real' portfolio). check out the difference: "I'll create a portfolio of my projects that showcases my skills" I'm sorry I cannot advise you otherwise. Good luck! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:59:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FJxFuY018252 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:59:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FJx9rm027064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FJrpWA016410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJrnPe013650; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FJrjIh013497 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from Angela (adsl-63-203-32-38.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.203.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7FJrdn3020075 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c8ff10$9efd7730$0c0010ac@Angela> From: "H_Costume" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:53:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa4257b7-0b1d-4981-8cd5-df4a42d55916 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A5E00D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:59:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ok, Joan I'm 53 and have started over several times. You aren't too old unless you think you are, and isn't 40 the new 30? The advice you've received so far is good, you must think of these attributes as skill sets (as indeed they are) and look about for a job that would utilize them. Don't expect to translate them exactly. For example, you could perhaps begin as a receptionist/clerical person at a florist shop and train to do floral arrangements (a blend of creativity and practical office experience). Or you could go directly into the artistic field and perhaps begin as a trainee for window displays in department stores or other retail outlets. These are not meant to be specific examples, but rather examples of how you can stretch your imagination to apply what you do to practical ways to make a living. I've been a costume designer for 17 years, a job that developed directly out of throwing Halloween parties and making costumes for my kids as they grew. I became the volunteer mom who did costumes for their shows and was good enough that the opportunity arose to turn it into a professional design career for which I feel very blessed. I have semi-retired now to pursue my paralegal career (kid in grad school = necessity, pay is much better) and as a creative outlet have finally begun work on my long-delayed novel. Writing legal briefs or discovery is hardly fiction, but I've done creative writing on the side for years. Anyway, not exactly the point, except to say that one can find creativity in any endeavor if one is naturally creative. Best of luck~ angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Broneske" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] Question regarding career path > I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people on > this > list may be able to point me in the right direction. > > Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances surrounding > my > personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age 44 > and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I may > need > to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been > costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on > elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and > things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has > always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no > college > education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in > various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real > work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical > typist > and retail clerk. > > I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use > these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I could > really use some direction and assistance on is: > > A) Am I too old to pursue this? > B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? > C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable > living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) > D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? > E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things > I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? > > I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. > > I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I may > end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. > > Thank you all for your time. > > Joan B > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 16:35:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FKZVsA019384 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FKZN4c019561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:35:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FKU1qT019145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FKU13O047251; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FKTvfR047182 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KU5vo0fJg-0005Bw; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:29:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c8ff15$aea7ae80$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:29:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+Uc71PxJRxM4vdYvlzRNkHNhPkq2MHKkZZz/ ndjxdJRuIbN5jWDe5Ouq+JPeYzSWw3dXqREM0FfTfiQXWlDtxW j3E4z4dvjanIs462SSAiA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccf54941-b640-4f4f-90fb-015a2f45e94c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A5E88B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan, Here is my input: > A) Am I too old to pursue this? > D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? Joan, you are never to old to pursue a career or go to school. I went back to college to finish my degree at 38 yo with six kids at home. I finished when I was 40 y.o. I started my business in my last year of college. My sister went back to college when she was 39 and finished at 42 and is teaching elementary school and going to college for her masters. She was a stay at home mom and went back after a divorce. Take advantage of student loans and grants to go to college. If you move out of state, you may have to wait to establish residency to get in-state tuition. Depending on the age of your children, you may receive state grants. I receive state grants because I had three children under the age of 12 when I was a student. One thing I always suggest is to have a good support system when at school. There are going to be times when you will want to quit. Things will get crazy and you will think you can't cope. You need a friend or family member who will give you that assurance and kick in the pants. I joined h-costume when I was a student and a lot of members gave me a lot of inspiration. The type of education you enter depends on what you want to do with the degree. If you want to design clothing, do a fashion degree. If you want to design costumes, go for a degree in costume design in the theater department. There is a good program at FIDM. I think it has a two year program. There is also an online fashion degree through a Californian art school. I can't recall their name. You can also do their degree on campus. Don't be put off that you are an older student. I enjoyed being around the college age students and they treated me with respect. I believe older adults take college more seriously because they see how you can apply these skills in the real world. Take classes in everything that you are interested in. Universities seem to be more accommodating to older students in this manner. When I returned to school for my third decade, I had no idea that I would be doing what I do now. But the other students knew I would. My career evolved with the more classes I took. I took classes in business, computers, costume design, fashion, and film depts. I use all of this education in my business. You can float between departments. > B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? See above. While you are trying to get into a college, you could work the Halloween season at a store like Spirits Halloween. They love people who can build and make sets. My son works as a manager for them every season. Right now is when these types of stores are hiring. These stores are setting up right now. Their season ends mid-November. Contact info is on Spirits website. Also, theme parks in our area have big Halloween events. If there are some in your area, they should be hiring crews about this time. You can also work at a bridal or alterations shop. You want to obtain jobs that will build your skills in the professional world. > C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable > living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) The jobs I mentioned will help temporarily and pay more than $10 an hour. You might also want to check dinner theaters to see if you can be a stitcher. In the summer check out your city's parks and recreations to see if they have plays in the summer. You could be a stitcher for them. Universities theater depts. look for wardrobe managers and stitchers. I see a LOT of theater dept. job posting on the email list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumeinfo/ . Don't be put off that it is USITT's email list. Just lurk. Earlier in the summer there was a discussion about how they are begging for stitchers and wardrobe managers. > E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things Most definitely create a portfolio and include photos, renderings, etc. Don't make the portfolio look like scrapbooking. Go to an office supply store and buy a professional portfolio case. Make sure to organize the portfolio. For interviews bring the portfolio and some of the costumes or garments that you have made. The interviewer will want to see how good your skills are. Good luck Joan. When one door closes another one opens. It can be scary and exciting! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:05:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FL5oqu020692 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FL5hWp014452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FL5Tag021616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FL5SgI079220; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FL5Ofd079087 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ApSMec9N/XdE+IGfdWNLBUnzYRhLKPszBX14Mtjw4nO8Pm8k12RDGnpNr0qJRA4g; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.41] (helo=elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KU6U3-0005U0-8v for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:19 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:19 -0400 Message-ID: <18483670.1218834319235.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cc9a035bf8c11c618428fcd0e152b6579350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 927f7e2b-7492-4d4c-a2fa-1ed7d50907d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A5EFA7.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan, you're never too old as long as you're breathing! You write: >My great love over the years has always been >costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on >elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and >things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has >always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no college >education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in >various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real >work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical typist >and retail clerk. First, think of college as a long-term investment. It may or may not give you immediate marketable skills by itself, but it will stretch you, wake up any slumbering brain cells, and open you to a wider world. Besides, if you are going to be thinking about things like costumes and sets, you need to know as much as you can about things like geography, architecture, history and cultures of the world. They will be your inspiration. It also may be worth your while to start your search with a couple of sessions with a career counselor. Definitely take advantage of this right at the start if you are going back to school -- many schools have career services available starting when you enroll, including programs specifically for older students re-entering the work force. They will help you plan your education to make best use of the skills and experience you already have. If you aren't ready to think about school yet, I'd still think it would be worthwhile to look for "re-entry" help at places like women's centers. There are many women now who do just what you're thinking about doing -- after time staying home with the kids and doing volunteer stuff, deciding to go back to school or work. There are nonprofits and paid services set up to serve people exactly like you. Places that specialize in "re-entry" counseling can help you see all of the real, useful, *professional* skills you have been using and developing while you've "helped" as a volunteer: managing people, drawing up plans and time lines, running committees, assigning tasks, budgeting, shopping for materials, supervising other workers, soliciting sponsorships, recruiting and training volunteers -- all of that translates directly into the business world as essential management skills. Consider a number of possible careers -- fashion and theater are obvious starting points if you're thinking about costume. But also consider others, especially if you like the "people parts" of the job as well as actually making stuff. For instance, there are whole companies out there that specialize in creating very theater-like "sets" for other businesses who need booths and exhibits for trade fairs, or table setups and banners for training seminars. *Someone* has to design, make, pack, ship, and set up all those tables, banners, background panels, signs, sample displays and so forth. Consider event planning: lots of people are happy to pay someone to organize their weddings and parties, or corporate picnics, or whole conferences. That can get you into everything from flowers and balloons to food to custom clothing to music and entertainment. If you set your sights low, you are likely to fall into some career "traps", by which I mean careers that look appealing, but where you really have to fight hard to get the wages and the respect you deserve. Custom dressmaking is one -- many people have made a success out of it, but as I think this list can testify, many wind up working long hours for very little money, because customers often think they should get Yves Saint-Laurent clothes for sweatshop prices. Theater costuming is another place where we've heard a lot on this list about lack of respect, impossible expectations from management, no budget, unpredictable crises and low wages. I know there are good shops, but you have to look for them and be firm about what you will and will not accept. Best of luck! You know this list will support you. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:08:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FL84dm020837 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:08:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FL7wg1021102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FL7iOQ021792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FL7ipr082784; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FL7fdP082661 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF6D400A00F8; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:04:45 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Acj/B2UclQLGa/oLQRaejtnS7ZG/2AAEdhPw In-Reply-To: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d99982b4-ed69-4cf2-be0d-9b19ae0d8f78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A5F02E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Put together a resume, with pictures, if possible, of your work. Pictures are worth 1,00 words. One of the best costumers I've known was self taught. I'm a stay at home mom who has done community theatre for the past 25 years or so. While interesting and fun, it has not paid well, stipends usually being in the "money for gas" range instead of the "making a good living" range. You may be able to find a job at a community college or university working in their costume or sewing departments. Again, I'm not sure about pay range, but probably around minimum wage. You could start your own seamstress business or maybe a costume sewing/rental business, but those might be seasonal. You could sew wedding/bridesmaids dresses. That can be very lucrative. I don't know if you're familiar with the TV show "Ace of Cakes", but for those fancy custom cakes shown on the show, they START at $1,000 and go up from there (according to their website.) Dresses take a lot more time/effort, so that may be one avenue for you to explore. I will add that you should remember to watch out for yourself during all this. Medical insurance is a good thing to have. My friend got full medical, dental and vision insurance for herself and her kids when she was working half time at Starbucks! So, something else to consider. All the best to you, Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joan Broneske Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:48 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Question regarding career path I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people on this list may be able to point me in the right direction. Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances surrounding my personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age 44 and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I may need to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no college education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical typist and retail clerk. I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I could really use some direction and assistance on is: A) Am I too old to pursue this? B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I may end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. Thank you all for your time. Joan B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:16:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FLG0cx021198 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:16:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FLFtlr025142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FLFdPn022388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FLFdIr096270; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FLFZZB096136 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=fRvj5xi6PZzKHT1kWogVKDhFNaFhmg4qKCRyyzISXo0BB9w2tPZvsbzPd++P5CGg; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.41] (helo=elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KU6du-0004xE-MK for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:15:30 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <16011367.1218834930682.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:15:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ce2053d988da59777b2f8908e5d142b9a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b3785c6-228c-4a9b-ab32-1aec3b05686f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A5F20B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wrote: >If you set your sights low, you are likely to fall into >some career "traps", by which I mean careers that look >appealing, but where you really have to fight hard to >get the wages and the respect you deserve. Custom dress- >making is one -- many people have made a success out of >it, but as I think this list can testify, many wind up >working long hours for very little money, because >customers often think they should get Yves Saint-Laurent >clothes for sweatshop prices. Theater costuming is >another place where we've heard a lot on this list >about lack of respect, impossible expectations from >management, no budget, unpredictable crises and low >wages. I know there are good shops, but you have to >look for them and be firm about what you will and >will not accept. Just to clarify, before I start a flame war: I don't at all mean that these are somehow "lower" careers! Many people have been very successful at them. What I mean is, if you set your sights low, AND you get into one of these fields, you are likely to have problems -- as others can testify -- if your low expectations lead you to accept pay that's too low and treatment that isn't good enough for how good YOU are. _That_ is the trap to avoid. You ARE good, but you have to believe it. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:24:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FLOGMp021521 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FLOB3v026433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FLNwcF023125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FLNvtO005723; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FLNsAQ005638 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3355BA00028; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:20:53 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:23:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Acj/B2UclQLGa/oLQRaejtnS7ZG/2AAFZlRQ In-Reply-To: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37aa7186-d1e5-446f-8129-71e0f934fa7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A5F3FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:24:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oooh! Another idea! You sound like you might make a good wedding planner. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joan Broneske Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:48 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Question regarding career path I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people on this list may be able to point me in the right direction. Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances surrounding my personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age 44 and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I may need to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no college education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical typist and retail clerk. I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I could really use some direction and assistance on is: A) Am I too old to pursue this? B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I may end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. Thank you all for your time. 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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:32 -0700 Received: from DOM_GATE2-MTA by SAHDCGWIA2.CALDOJ.NET with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:20 -0700 Message-Id: <48A59C90.C8A6.0086.0@doj.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:12 -0700 From: "Ginni Morgan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> In-Reply-To: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cab246b-c366-4e11-a97f-85126f7b8131 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A5FF29.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:11:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan You are NEVER too old to try something new. BTW, do you live in Roseville or Carmichael or somewhere else local? Everyone has made excellent suggestions, however, both Chris and Sharon have mentioned some considerations that I would like to reinforce. 1) Check out the re-entry counseling available to the local community colleges (American River College or Sierra College or similar) or Sac State. As Chris said, talking to them will give you ideas, even if you don't immediately sign up for classes. I know Sac State used to have this type of counseling available. 2) You need a resume as well as a portfolio. These both need to look professional. Find someone who can take your experience as the educator, "office" manager, "facilities" manager, scheduling coordinator, cook, party planner, clean-up crew, gardener, repairman, etc., and translate it all into modern workplace terms. I believe there are services which specialize in this type of resume, etc. 3) Look for a job with benefits, even if it's part time to begin with. It will give you both some income/benefits and a job track record while you are either taking classes to increase your skills or looking for a better job in a more compatible field. 4) Even though the State of California has a hiring freeze on right now, you should check out the State Personnel Board website for job possibilities. A simple entry level Office Assistant (Typing) position starts at $12/hr. This would be a full time position, but the benefits are very good. And, by the time you went through the testing, the hiring freeze should have been lifted. At the very minimum, you would be eligible for consideration as soon as that happened. While these suggestions are tailored for the Sacramento area, the basic ideas should work wherever you end up living. Yes, this is a difficult time for you, but with perseverance and creativity, you can make a place for yourself. If you would like to talk to me directly, send me an e-mail off list and I'll send you my phone number. Good luck. Ginni Morgan Sacramento, CA >>> Joan Broneske 8/15/08 11:47 AM >>> I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people on this list may be able to point me in the right direction. Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances surrounding my personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age 44 and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I may need to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, putting on elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays and things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no college education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years in various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no real work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical typist and retail clerk. I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I could really use some direction and assistance on is: A) Am I too old to pursue this? B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I may end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. Thank you all for your time. Joan B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_LWSHORTT,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Everyone has provided good suggestions. Just one caveat: you may not make a living wage at theatrical costuming, but if you can supplement your income with some of the other ideas people have had, sewing, wedding planning, etc, you might do ok. I also think it is important to live in a city that has a lot of paying job opportunities in your field, and there aren't too many of those, outside of Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and maybe a few more I'm not aware of. I live in the Denver area and paying jobs for costume designers are few and far between. I think you also need to be prepared to travel for short term jobs, especially in the summer, when there are lots of theatres hiring. I don't think your age is a drawback at all. The 40s are not old anymore, in my opinion. If you choose to go to school and get a degree in theatrical costume design or construction, I would definitely think about relocating to one of the big cities where there are more opportunities. And I would try to get jobs in summer stock theatres that work with big name designers and try to be an assistant. Working for a regional theatre designer is the best experience ever. Regional theatre pays the best, outside of Broadway and the movie industry, but it is a very closed field and takes contacts to work into. Sylvia On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Joan Broneske wrote: > I'm not sure where to start with this, but I figured you kind people > on this > list may be able to point me in the right direction. > > Without getting into too much detail about the circumstances > surrounding my > personal life at the moment, I find myself in a situation where at age > 44 > and after being a stay-at-home mother and homemaker for 14 years, I > may need > to "start my life over". My great love over the years has always been > costuming, making things, building things, helping with events, > putting on > elaborate Halloween displays in my garage, helping with school plays > and > things of that nature. I have never been paid for any of it, and it has > always just been a "hobby", never anything professional. I have no > college > education in anything (other than a few college courses over the years > in > various general things like English, Logic and Anthropology) and no > real > work experience other than a few stints as a clerical worker, medical > typist > and retail clerk. > > I am seriously thinking of pursuing some type of career where I can use > these strengths that I have, because I know that I have them. What I > could > really use some direction and assistance on is: > > A) Am I too old to pursue this? > B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents? > C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable > living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist) > D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? > E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things > I have done over the years with pictures, etc.? > > I appreciate any insight, assistance, suggestions.. > > I currently live near Sacramento, California, but there is a chance I > may > end up near Utica, NY or near Winston-Salem, NC. > > Thank you all for your time. > > Joan B > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 18:58:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7FMw7qb024901 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:58:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FMw2Kr001126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:58:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7FMvkOE028948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FMvjPe083305; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7FMvi0V083288 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dicellini@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so123189ywe.71 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Dh+eHKBbMh3WC44S9ldbMopgsTbfLrgy3DjboSU5U7s=; b=VapEp8Ptmw20Xp+KUFkEwBkE29kpB/AhsBoz1NVfBXte2yNHuWSzq3nNhIsEGN6AFT COSY9uienBxShf5vAsD7kjl59Go6EZhVhCqSQvDyLNyYndBoclKVQhsHGOIAcwU1M0fW CCTUugQ7h/2WtF9F5FRnmspsbj52ep4n+5On0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YMiEss2P0sxt3DUFuaAlkrPBpSTWpY8Ma4XPtE1NhAaE6PMbzaJXP4paOdHRUoQ16F fO7C2Qc/wopCcTSVrSp4TclFiKPV33JmQ2/nlVC3iCrCVjRwsapIk1cusBMi8Mrs3pmZ WU2usOCb9HosPM0XySkfFLnIMaqOzuSjIAjgE= Received: by 10.151.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr4749038ybl.11.1218841064244; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.139.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45d9ecce0808151557p5f8566afpeddbd2c6edd353ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:57:44 -0400 From: "Dianora di Cellini" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 309 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e18547ec-71c6-45c3-8e80-8ae99242624d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A609FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just to follow up on what some others have said - you're never too old! After 25 years as a secretary, at age 46 I went back to school, got my masters, and now I'm a college professor. In the last 5 years I've earned that masters degree and I'm half way through a Ph.D. My husband lost his job a few years age and decided to give school a shot - and now he's getting ready to graduate in May at age 40. But if you choose to go to school, make sure it's something you love! Dee -- Dianora Lizabetta di Vittori di Cellini House di Cellini Amore et Onore: Nient'altro Importa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:20:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G0KTV3027037 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:20:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G0KOiH016387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G0JusM032973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G0JsHr036750; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G0Jo2b036657 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joan.mielke.yost@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2nNe1a0070xGWP854oKltU; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:19:45 +0000 Received: from Desktop2004 ([68.54.9.232]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2oKc1a00150Nm3o3YoKkZo; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:19:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wxT_YVuz3vR03nUO3acA:9 a=4XiLjaj-W0XwlmfVLG4A:7 a=EOMH6brvAmtezSrRQHRI0CnShj8A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 From: "Joan Mielke" To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:19:35 -0600 Message-ID: <83E3C0EB5FBB41BBAEB004F12A61B9EA@Desktop2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj/NcN1NIAty34JRnK3ZTa3i5X6yw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1950f6be-9294-4d1b-8523-07f3a84702da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A61D48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am in a similar position--restarting my education and looking for new employment at 40. It may take you a while to discover whether you want to pursue a college degree or certificate or whether you want to do something else. In the meantime, check out your local community college, if there is one, and through their advising center find out what basic classes you should take if you are interested in a college education. They probably have some placement tests that you can take in English and math and they also may offer some aptitude or interest evaluations. Basic math and English classes are courses you will probably be required to take no matter where you go or what decide to do. You could also consider introduction to art, introduction to psychology and introduction to business. Introduction to theater would be good too, if it is offered. Many schools also have classes that orient you to what college is and what skills you need to succeed in college. Best wishes in whatever you do! Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:31:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G1V2NV028690 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G1Uq70030415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:31:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G1KJvS036442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G1KFnP071876; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7G1KCZt071845 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 12191 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 18:20:14 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 12147, pid: 12186, t: 0.3137s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 18:20:13 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c8ff3e$510338c0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj/NcN1NIAty34JRnK3ZTa3i5X6ywABzsVQ In-Reply-To: <83E3C0EB5FBB41BBAEB004F12A61B9EA@Desktop2004> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e76abb67-83ae-4cbe-a491-ea22a8887d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A62DCC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For all of your replies...you have all been very, VERY helpful and have given me a lot to think about. I think I will start out by creating a portfolio...I've already begun collecting photos onto my computer of my stuff. As for family/friends support...that was part of the reason I may end up in either NY (not near the city) or NC...I have parents in NY and a sister in NC. Since things are still "up in the air" at present, I haven't made a decision either way. More than likely I won't be staying in California because of the situation, not really having that support and the sheer cost of living here. That kind of also complicates the issue of "living in a city" where these kinds of jobs are available. I don't really relish the idea of living in a city, and ESPECIALLY not in LA, Chicago or NY...LOL! I'm a small town girl and large cities make me nervous and paranoid. I have two boys, but my oldest is 20 (so I don't have to worry about him) and my youngest is just about 14....so it's not like I have small children, thank God. I never thought about being a Wedding Planner....I will have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion! Ginni, I am in Roseville; however, I may not be staying here...not sure at this point. I appreciate your offer and will keep it in mind. Right now, I'm just kind of preparing for the worst in my situation and gathering information. I am going to print out all of your responses and keep them with me....thank you and thank you for the support and encouragement! . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| unicorn@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joan Mielke Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:20 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path I am in a similar position--restarting my education and looking for new employment at 40. It may take you a while to discover whether you want to pursue a college degree or certificate or whether you want to do something else. In the meantime, check out your local community college, if there is one, and through their advising center find out what basic classes you should take if you are interested in a college education. They probably have some placement tests that you can take in English and math and they also may offer some aptitude or interest evaluations. Basic math and English classes are courses you will probably be required to take no matter where you go or what decide to do. You could also consider introduction to art, introduction to psychology and introduction to business. Introduction to theater would be good too, if it is offered. Many schools also have classes that orient you to what college is and what skills you need to succeed in college. Best wishes in whatever you do! Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:55:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G1tBYW029316 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G1t6ix020177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G1sn8i037839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G1smxQ089689; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway11.websitewelcome.com (gateway11.websitewelcome.com [67.18.71.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7G1sjV2089658 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 11930 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 02:03:07 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway11.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:03:07 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35256) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KUB06-0008Vn-A8; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20080815215442.375tl740g8w8osw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:54:42 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <45d9ecce0808151557p5f8566afpeddbd2c6edd353ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45d9ecce0808151557p5f8566afpeddbd2c6edd353ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 309 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94eebed7-5645-455d-8dfe-229021eae69e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A6337A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Dianora di Cellini : > Just to follow up on what some others have said - you're never too old! > > After 25 years as a secretary, at age 46 I went back to school, got my > masters, and now I'm a college professor. In the last 5 years I've earned > that masters degree and I'm half way through a Ph.D. My husband lost his job > a few years age and decided to give school a shot - and now he's getting > ready to graduate in May at age 40. But if you choose to go to school, make > sure it's something you love! Well, Dee, you've got me beat. I started Grad SChool at 40 and finished my PhD last summer at 54. :-) Jerusha/ susan (also now a college prof!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 22:00:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G20tfN029462 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:00:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G20nNs022203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:00:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G20aYg038095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G20a9G093320; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G20XBC093288 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KUB5j471q-00057R; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c8ff43$de099200$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> <4eb3edd02b7eb22aad14bca4c5db2693@ntw.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Fc5oqZ62/MAwjbS+Lt4gE3STa54WqTfhhFYF RgPFggNqQH/9shzIseU5wQiYlZTajRjzSJqH5jzUCiVGkL6sF6 +Xa+6fKxNdn+S5mEGhtJw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 103f66a3-53b1-4cdc-a248-83bbae760193 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48A634D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:00:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan, I forgot a couple of possibilities... If you are in a city that the Broadway plays tours, they hire local dressers and stitchers. My 4th son does lighting. We couldn't find out who was in charge at one of the venues that has the tours. I dropped him off at the venue a day before a Broadway show. He walked in and kept asking who was in charge until he found the right person. This opened the door wide for him. The crews move from venue to venue. It is hard to catch up with the crew chief. Sometimes, the crew chief is at several venues in one day. Each city here in Virginia have a different local for the union. My son works in VA Beach, Richmond (four venues), University of Virginia, ODU, Virginia Commonwealth University, and was just hired permanently for the DC area. The Stage-hand Union that he works for includes costuming. He works all sorts of shows from country to rock concerts, WWE (wrestling), Cirque du Soleil, Dancing w/ Stars and American Idol tours, ice shows, conventions, etc. All need dressers and stitchers. Cirque begs for costumers year-round, http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/jobs/offstage/recruitsoft.htm . If this site doesn't show costuming/wardrobe, let me know. My son has the direct link for crew members. The last time my son checked, they were looking for costumers for their Vegas shows. Also Ringling Bros. technical crews are based Palmetto, Florida (next door to my sister's house) and Northern VA. The gig he has in DC sounds like what others are suggesting for you. He is setting up events for conventions at different venues in the DC area. It is a full time job...so full-time, it is 60-80 hours a week at $32 an hour. Convention is a huge industry. If you can get in a location that hosts big conventions, you can do well. I have watched my son working a convention and it amazes me how many people are required for the set-up. He is 23 years old and has been setting up and loading out conventions, here and there, since he was 19. You don't need a lot of experience to work the conventions. My son has brought all his friends and two of his brothers into working all these jobs. Some work full-time and others part-time when they need extra money. One of the main qualifications the unions are look for is safety conscious people..safety for all...themselves, other employees, performers, and the audience. Safety is first in the business. Some Stage-hand Union locals offer in Virginia offer insurance, some don't. This varies from state-to-state, area-to-area. Some states and venues require the insurance. Others only have insurance on you while working the gig. If you can get a film commission directory from your state or the state you are interested in moving to; you will find a listing of all kinds of entertainment industry businesses. It is amazing all the different types of businesses involved that work all fields in world of entertainment. My suggestion is to read through it the listings and select the businesses that you want to send resumes. Remember that the majority of the businesses do other genres besides film. The casino industry is in several states. Some casino areas look for full and part-time costumers for shows. It not just Vegas and Atlantic City for casinos anymore. My niece was working for a casino in Biloxi, MS until Hurricane Katrina moved her casino across the highway. The company moved her to a casino in Nebraska. They transferred her back to MS last month. Shows in casinos are a big part of their industry. My youngest son goes to University of Southern Mississippi and they have a undergrad degree in casino gaming industry. Think of it this way, the world is your oyster and you are the pearl! Good luck and keep us updated. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 22:23:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G2NB0M030227 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:23:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G2MxwP020716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G2MihB039092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:22:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G2Mgmd006253; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G2Mck6006177 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2kqR1a02V0cQ2SLA6qNZYd; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:22:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2qMT1a00H00zNUK8WqMUFB; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:21:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cqjCPANCltAA:10 a=rvLiepBZwyIA:10 a=qHtMVBikAAAA:8 a=I6XJ-4E4AAAA:8 a=ik5vtdJeAAAA:8 a=syEiB5ESAAAA:8 a=2XjdclTFAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=Zg2320K8wk14-a-GfPQA:9 a=5RK-YsmqrwtYVcW-W9kA:7 a=VboEL4ReTb7TRcPYEMl_-WKhs74A:4 a=rCbS6JjwtmAA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002a01c8ff43$de099200$6701a8c0@momlaptop> References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim> <4eb3edd02b7eb22aad14bca4c5db2693@ntw.net> <002a01c8ff43$de099200$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:22:30 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 921b70cd-c917-43ac-8c48-bbd17026ac86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A63A03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Penny, I did a costume job search with Cirque and came up with nothing. I'd love to go work with them for awhile. Sylviz On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Joan, > > I forgot a couple of possibilities... > If you are in a city that the Broadway plays tours, they hire local > dressers and stitchers. My 4th son does lighting. We couldn't find > out who was in charge at one of the venues that has the tours. I > dropped him off at the venue a day before a Broadway show. He walked > in and kept asking who was in charge until he found the right person. > This opened the door wide for him. The crews move from venue to venue. > It is hard to catch up with the crew chief. Sometimes, the crew > chief is at several venues in one day. Each city here in Virginia > have a different local for the union. My son works in VA Beach, > Richmond (four venues), University of Virginia, ODU, Virginia > Commonwealth University, and was just hired permanently for the DC > area. The Stage-hand Union that he works for includes costuming. He > works all sorts of shows from country to rock concerts, WWE > (wrestling), Cirque du Soleil, Dancing w/ Stars and American Idol > tours, ice shows, conventions, etc. All need dressers and stitchers. > Cirque begs for costumers year-round, > http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/jobs/offstage/ > recruitsoft.htm . If this site doesn't show costuming/wardrobe, let me > know. My son has the direct link for crew members. The last time my > son checked, they were looking for costumers for their Vegas shows. > Also Ringling Bros. technical crews are based Palmetto, Florida (next > door to my sister's house) and Northern VA. > > The gig he has in DC sounds like what others are suggesting for you. > He is setting up events for conventions at different venues in the DC > area. It is a full time job...so full-time, it is 60-80 hours a week > at $32 an hour. Convention is a huge industry. If you can get in a > location that hosts big conventions, you can do well. I have watched > my son working a convention and it amazes me how many people are > required for the set-up. He is 23 years old and has been setting up > and loading out conventions, here and there, since he was 19. You > don't need a lot of experience to work the conventions. > > My son has brought all his friends and two of his brothers into > working all these jobs. Some work full-time and others part-time when > they need extra money. One of the main qualifications the unions are > look for is safety conscious people..safety for all...themselves, > other employees, performers, and the audience. Safety is first in the > business. Some Stage-hand Union locals offer in Virginia offer > insurance, some don't. This varies from state-to-state, area-to-area. > Some states and venues require the insurance. Others only have > insurance on you while working the gig. > > If you can get a film commission directory from your state or the > state you are interested in moving to; you will find a listing of all > kinds of entertainment industry businesses. It is amazing all the > different types of businesses involved that work all fields in world > of entertainment. My suggestion is to read through it the listings > and select the businesses that you want to send resumes. Remember > that the majority of the businesses do other genres besides film. > > The casino industry is in several states. Some casino areas look for > full and part-time costumers for shows. It not just Vegas and > Atlantic City for casinos anymore. My niece was working for a casino > in Biloxi, MS until Hurricane Katrina moved her casino across the > highway. The company moved her to a casino in Nebraska. They > transferred her back to MS last month. Shows in casinos are a big part > of their industry. My youngest son goes to University of Southern > Mississippi and they have a undergrad degree in casino gaming > industry. > > Think of it this way, the world is your oyster and you are the pearl! > Good luck and keep us updated. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeslideshows.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 22:33:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G2XHPJ030647 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:33:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G2XB6C019496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G2WsBB039525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G2Wsee011596; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G2WpfC011566 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KUBaz1c05-0003kD; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:32:51 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c8ff48$60b10040$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim><4eb3edd02b7eb22aad14bca4c5db2693@ntw.net><002a01c8ff43$de099200$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:32:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18tO+WTRiUrIbp9qNRSuPPsWRD2Y426+kM/XjJ TZpRYvA4nA0A9jhnnu4Zgt4k6b+x3cQB7IDmgPE+sFmcCweyw5 o7b3zMfBmAqOST6JWHcEA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cirque X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c775a3f0-2637-4a38-8d88-ebca25ee56a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48A63C67.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sylvia, When my son gets back home tomorrow, I will get the link from him. He is working a show at VA Beach right now. He will pass out when he gets in early in the morning from the gig. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 00:03:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7G43AUt000676 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:03:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G434Ce031155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7G42djt042908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G42cWb057964; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7G42ZTp057936 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KUCzp3lFL-0003n8; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c8ff54$ea1a7f80$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c8ff07$655396d0$6d01a8c0@Alfheim><4eb3edd02b7eb22aad14bca4c5db2693@ntw.net><002a01c8ff43$de099200$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <003a01c8ff48$60b10040$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:02:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/swFhQGElIvCv9vIDvu38OqXhEjh76LtpUXzg gvJERifedCT96VEzX93gCTNUgJKIKyJMZlYtA6WAJoL5zcX6FV ogr1XXrclWtoZqdxH6LLQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cirque Wardrobe Jobs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e64c6699-4558-4f3c-8257-18273ec3265e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A65178.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:03:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I did a Google search for the Las Vegas Jobs: http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-WARDROBE+ATTENDANT/l-Las+Vegas%2C+NV The "Love" show is supposed to be wonderful! The house was designed for the show. Here is the Cirque employment site: keyword wardrobe: http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl keyword: costume http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl Bookmark this page and check back frequently. The jobs change often. http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl Good luck and let us know how it goes. Every time my son works the Cirque he is so thrilled creatively! He talks about it for days and states that Cirque is always his favorite shows to work. Here's hoping you get to know that thrill! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 06:22:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7GAMgf5020116 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:22:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7GAMTFk022618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:22:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7GALnU1057366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7GALjXI059183; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7GALfvt059085 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.bb8.35ddf982 (41811) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:21:34 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bbeb3dd-cf3f-4d62-8545-89106499c0d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A6AA65.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's already been said, but let me, too, encourage you to go back to school and start accumulating your basic classes. The community college system is California is, of course, top notch. Get all your general ed courses out of the way, like math, lab science (I recommend chemistry if you are going to do something costume/textiles related), sociology, psychology, history (Modern European is probably good if you have an interest in costume history), and economics. Sounds like you may already have your English requirements satisfied. That introduction to theater is a good suggestion, too. I didn't get my dream job until I turned 50. Got the degrees, but then knocked around for awhile. Where I am now, I was a volunteer for two years, then part-time, non-career, no benefits, for five years, but finally have a full time professional position with great benefits and I love the work! Best of luck to you. Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 07:49:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7GBnFcB002690 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:49:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7GBnA5Q019744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:49:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7GBmfc3061584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7GBmdEh005904; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7GBmaoO005827 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.bed.27fc21b8 (48600) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:48:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c30c0eaf-007e-4cdf-a6a6-6642e49bde72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48A6BEB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Only just saw this because I've just finished a killer week costuming (my fault - took on extra work as a favour). I can't be that specific, obviously, because I'm in a different country (UK), so there will be differences in how things are set up, how they work, etc. But, my take would be... "A) Am I too old to pursue this?" You're not too old till you're dead. "B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents?" What do you want to do? I find the only limit is my imagination, and my guts (as in whether I have enough or not :o) ). "C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist)" Can't properly answer that, cos of the country thing - but I do (am a costumer and dressmaker/designer). 'Tis hard work though - but a lot of that's down to me, and my habit of taking extra jobs if they're interesting (low boredom threshold - gets me every time). "D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? " Depends what you decide you want to do. For some things it's doubtless that the qualifications will be a requirement - but they're not necessary for everything if you have the skills (and can prove you have them). Although studying is naturally about much more, qualifications are, at the end of the day, about proving you have certain skills. If you can already prove that, then they're less important in some walks. "E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.?" Completely. But as others have said - ditch the quote marks, and the word hobby. Start calling it work right now. Makes no difference if you get paid for it or not - your work is still your work. But I haven't had a written C.V. (resume) since I was looking for an office job a decade ago. Every piece of work I get comes from my portfolio (be it book or online), and word of mouth. Personally, I studied fashion (but left early - hated course), dithered a bit (hence the office job), costuming part time all the while, till I decided I wanted to make clothes full time (and had the workload to justify quitting the day job), then I started, working from home (still do at the moment, although that looks set to change shortly). Now I make assorted clothes and costumes for museums, re-enactors, weddings, tv - whoever wants them really! As I said, I left college early, so I have no formal qualifications associated to what I do (other than on in theatre, which is sort of related, but not 100% relevant). Not really an issue in what I do, because I have my portfolio, and dozens of pictures to prove I can do what I say I can. Also because I set up on my own - I don't have a boss, and I don't have to go for interviews. Anyway, the lack of quals hasn't hindered me (eg, I just delivered an order for the Tower of London) - but that's probably because I went my own way. I just thought - if you don't have a reasonable camera (digital preferably, cos it's cheaper (no developing)), get one, and photograph every single thing you make, no matter how large or small. It'll all fill out your portfolio - you can ditch the smaller / less impressive ones as you accumulate more. But good luck! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 02:39:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7H6d0f3032383 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:39:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7H6cqvO003444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7H6bwsf019222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7H6bswn086163; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.51]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7H6bpwu086082 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 12664 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2008 06:37:45 -0000 Received: from [69.209.204.224] by web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:37:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <676953.11432.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Places to buy fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 931f0b6c-72f4-4e7d-ab72-75e0b0e4ed64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48A7C77C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:38:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've noticed that Hobby Lobby runs weekly specials on fabric and frequently= , patterns. If you're having problems with the other stores and have a Hobb= y Lobby in your area, you might want to check it out. I don't know whether = they sell fabric on-line, or if you'd be willing to buy it if they did, but= it's a potential resource. Carol Mitchell =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Chicagoland Co= stumer's Guild=A0www.chicostume.org Costume Midwest http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/costumemidwest/=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = --- On Sat, 8/16/08, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 311 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:00 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cirque (Penny Ladnier) 2. Re: Cirque Wardrobe Jobs (Penny Ladnier) 3. Re: Question regarding career path (AnnBWass@aol.com) 4. Re: Question regarding career path (Debloughcostumes@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:32:48 -0400 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cirque To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <003a01c8ff48$60b10040$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; reply-type=3Dresponse Sylvia, When my son gets back home tomorrow, I will get the link from him. He is = working a show at VA Beach right now. He will pass out when he gets in = early in the morning from the gig. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:02:33 -0400 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cirque Wardrobe Jobs To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <005001c8ff54$ea1a7f80$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; reply-type=3Dresponse I did a Google search for the Las Vegas Jobs: http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-WARDROBE+ATTENDANT/l-Las+Vegas%2C+= NV The "Love" show is supposed to be wonderful! The house was designed for the = show. Here is the Cirque employment site: keyword wardrobe: http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl keyword: costume http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl Bookmark this page and check back frequently. The jobs change often. http://cirquedusoleil.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl Good luck and let us know how it goes. Every time my son works the Cirque = he is so thrilled creatively! He talks about it for days and states that = Cirque is always his favorite shows to work. Here's hoping you get to know that thrill! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:21:34 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" It's already been said, but let me, too, encourage you to go back to school = and start accumulating your basic classes. The community college system is= = California is, of course, top notch. Get all your general ed courses out = of = the way, like math, lab science (I recommend chemistry if you are going to = do = something costume/textiles related), sociology, psychology, history (Modern= = European is probably good if you have an interest in costume history), and = economics. Sounds like you may already have your English requirements = satisfied. That introduction to theater is a good suggestion, too. = I didn't get my dream job until I turned 50. Got the degrees, but then = knocked around for awhile. Where I am now, I was a volunteer for two year= s, then = part-time, non-career, no benefits, for five years, but finally have a ful= l = time professional position with great benefits and I love the work! = Best of luck to you. = Ann Wass **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. = (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=3Daolau= t00030000000007 ) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:48:44 EDT From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Only just saw this because I've just finished a killer week costuming (my = fault - took on extra work as a favour). = I can't be that specific, obviously, because I'm in a different country = (UK), so there will be differences in how things are set up, how they work, = etc. = But, my take would be... = = "A) Am I too old to pursue this?" = You're not too old till you're dead. = "B) What kinds of things could I do with these talents?" = What do you want to do? I find the only limit is my imagination, and my = guts (as in whether I have enough or not :o) ). = "C) Would I be able to pursue something which I could make a comfortable living at? (other than an $8 an hour receptionist)" = Can't properly answer that, cos of the country thing - but I do (am a = costumer and dressmaker/designer). 'Tis hard work though - but a lot of = that's = down to me, and my habit of taking extra jobs if they're interesting (low = boredom threshold - gets me every time). = "D) What types of schooling should I be looking into? " = Depends what you decide you want to do. For some things it's doubtless that = the qualifications will be a requirement - but they're not necessary for = everything if you have the skills (and can prove you have them). Although studying is naturally about much more, qualifications are, at the = end of the day, about proving you have certain skills. If you can already = prove that, then they're less important in some walks. = "E) Would it help me to create a sort of "portfolio" of the hobby things I have done over the years with pictures, etc.?" = Completely. But as others have said - ditch the quote marks, and the word hobby. Start calling it work right now. Makes no difference if you get paid for = it = or not - your work is still your work. But I haven't had a written C.V. (resume) since I was looking for an office = job a decade ago. Every piece of work I get comes from my portfolio (be it= = book or online), and word of mouth. = = = Personally, I studied fashion (but left early - hated course), dithered a = bit (hence the office job), costuming part time all the while, till I decid= ed I = wanted to make clothes full time (and had the workload to justify quitting = the day job), then I started, working from home (still do at the moment, = although that looks set to change shortly). = Now I make assorted clothes and costumes for museums, re-enactors, wedding= s, = tv - whoever wants them really! = = As I said, I left college early, so I have no formal qualifications = associated to what I do (other than on in theatre, which is sort of related, but not = 100% relevant). Not really an issue in what I do, because I have my = portfolio, and dozens of pictures to prove I can do what I say I can. Also = because I = set up on my own - I don't have a boss, and I don't have to go for = interviews. Anyway, the lack of quals hasn't hindered me (eg, I just = delivered an = order for the Tower of London) - but that's probably because I went my own way. = I just thought - if you don't have a reasonable camera (digital = preferably, = cos it's cheaper (no developing)), get one, and photograph every single thing = you make, no matter how large or small. It'll all fill out your portfolio - = you can ditch the smaller / less impressive ones as you accumulate more. = But good luck! = = = = = = = ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 311 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 13:52:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7IHqTDb006796 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:52:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7IHqNsC023516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7IHpqvm037890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7IHplKu050995; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7IHpiIo050937 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KV8tK3l13-000576; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c9015b$0fe41f70$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:51:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185fVVa251Ds55PmWOTxqdHhCmBw1gAFXxX/9D rHKpy2HLmWUlbMoUY7v7UiHjWp7bInpPH2t9OWY9Z8YRGbY9e+ n96z/EQSlJuNQaNA/aCkw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Esquire Magazine: Menswear history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e090599-b944-4af8-b3ef-0e1d068aa22d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48A9B6D7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Sept. issue of Esquire Magazine is celebrating their 75th Anniversary. The magazine has a nice section per decade of menswear history from 1933-today. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 16:52:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7LKq8uJ016605 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:52:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7LKq2KC008856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7LKpTMU004064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LKpPbE088199; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6KL1txb043616 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W16 ([65.55.138.51]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.40] From: Saragrace Knauf Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:50 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Bcc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2008 21:01:50.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4B33280:01C8EAAB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:51:24 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b60f7fc-4fd8-4677-9036-bf7957bfe436 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48ADD572.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Enjoy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 16:52:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7LKqPRr016618 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7LKqK8f010628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7LKq8no004122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LKq8d8088977; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from devonshire.concentric.com (devonshire.concentric.com [207.155.248.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7IKcrZR023197 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (ConcentricHost relay 1.2); with ESMTP id EADF61E42; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from julie (66-105-235-8.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.8]) (Authenticated sender: jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by devonshire.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.70) Relay) with ESMTP id EADF61E42; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julie Tamura" To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:38:53 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c90172$6f088a60$08eb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AckBXUp8CBeXyDMCSVCup4+iNv/wqAAFNqtg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:51:24 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Help! Need a picture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 186dd298-6a3a-4958-a48a-b89faf674d93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48ADD584.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 18:04:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7LM4FDO018919 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:04:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7LM49m1004550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7LM3mGu011741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LM3k3e073526; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LM3eu4073437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (port=16811 helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KWIFo-0004V1-21 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Gentlemen's walking canes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3a38179-f78d-4873-9e1f-b0463c36958a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48ADE659.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 02:45:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7M6jVqT024722 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:45:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7M6jPKj014548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:45:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7M6is1L050916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7M6ip9s015040; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7M6im3s014895 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51362 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 06:44:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=b7r5r+FpIqbinygiuQKWyxiuNqCqgkK+pCDwo/rlfqImUJtmibrAeNcdOBLRGDhnJyP8Rs7q0l12PyNcR6CBSPFqloT7yUBg5rNKfeb1XVqcURwuL5ilFXFpwBfiS7hY/d085OtlBPQvpqjOOt2jX6sAmz1lzbT+o2RfILEd+f8=; Received: from [67.118.230.145] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:44:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Lazear To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <672685.51335.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gentlemen's walking canes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e46d637-6ac8-43f5-990f-7eaeb3a59fd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48AE6085.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If one doesn't mind spending a bit (about $100-150) you can get just about = anything from House of Canes in Grants Pass, OR.=A0 www.houseofcanes.com or= call Kay at 1-800-458-5920.=A0 I have needed a cane for years (since my ea= rly 30s) and wanted something a bit more stylish than what one could find a= t the local drug store. They are all made to order, and are sturdy and really pretty.=A0 Various ma= terials are available for a wide variety of pricing. Good luck with your search. angela ----- Original Message ---- From: Serena Dyer To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:02:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gentlemen's walking canes Can anyone recommend a good source for reproduction late C18th/early C19th = gentlemen's walking canes? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 10:14:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MEE0Vg016639 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:14:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MEDsgj001968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:13:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MEDVpt078881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MEDSOq058530; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7MEDOCI058365 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77378 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 14:13:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=B2V+97LNJH+5EL6JDXa88uSPQg2tetaEQEUBNzceD1EffXOzYazp5+DAuVMwWlPPeTMPgC5qPK3b8RNjvAHQ0rsTfk47XLohcmZ2dWOBuojQBdxkQiO0Bo9+CbcMDjyHLhZFTiXv18V4wzE1Vvv/c9YtirycX+TzU/IWHQFYM0w=; X-YMail-OSG: CF_0PiEVM1nLNgtRE5y4S9wFxqRUxDndtS0meesuAk7OWYrBCqgr9nI4Mw4YOCtxSXBncYbEp3QrFe.szlnmChsryT4TZCf8BfLdbUdR.BZxczqkySNeK0GCnnvJGwg- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:13:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e921f167-9847-4c3e-9384-6edf7c9fa985 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48AEC9A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:13:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, I've already spent ages looking for one very simple celtic knotwork embroidery pattern (.hus, .pes and other embroidery formats), and this list is probably my last chance. Does anyone by accident know where to purchase this style of endless embroidery? http://www.rivendellbridal.com/files/celticstarbackcloce.jpg thank you, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 10:39:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MEdjqQ017749 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:39:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MEda3d023227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MEYFJg080145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MEYF2t077341; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MEYCDB077239 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MEY1u9017087 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:34:06 GMT Message-ID: <001101c90464$224110e0$9b06d846@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New overskirt pattern from the Mantua-Maker X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6be5507-1520-420b-a1f8-25ac49fb551f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48AECFA8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am pleased to announce that I have a new baby - no, a new pattern! (I've= been babysitting far too much lately!) 1870 - 1890 Do=F1a Madre Overskirt #1880-17 This overskirt is ideal as a dressy overskirt for any occasion. Based on patterns from period sources. Includes the full text of the original instructions. Directions for many different styles of draperies. This pattern has adaptations for the 1883 - 1887 aggressive bustle. Variations and decoration ideas are included. Foundation skirt is not included. All sizes Petite - Full are included. Price $12 For photos, please go to: http://www.mantua-maker.com/new_victorian_patterns.html Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 11:33:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MFXYD8020054 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:33:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MFXTNM017039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:33:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MFX6v9084596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MFX6sM038031; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MFX30I037910 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pdce8QFQozlzwft+PxuabCIOvEba87YNEsDozwUV2gnQiNZozYtfyaHkX3jJWgzf; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c934fl.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.145.245] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KWYdG-00029n-G3 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <48AEDC2E.5050803@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:33:02 -0400 From: Frau Anna Bleucher User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080822-0, 08/22/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 9eb1bae7e4e7fc8d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795bf570b9c395da7c5a37e4e55e681ba9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.145.245 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abb7b735-0361-476d-ac97-b2f89bb28e9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48AEDC49.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi all, > > I've already spent ages looking for one very simple celtic knotwork embroidery pattern (.hus, .pes and other embroidery formats), and this list is probably my last chance. Does anyone by accident know where to purchase this style of endless embroidery? > http://www.rivendellbridal.com/files/celticstarbackcloce.jpg > > thank you, > > Zuzana > > I'd be happy to reproduce it for you. It's probably a custom piece, but the knotwork is standard and I've done similar in the past. Connie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 12:52:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MGqDq1023154 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MGq7FV029462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MGpZjv091308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:51:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MGpYhA024792; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MGpWRv024754 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so956233rvb.11 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cwVWUOLEEhXksFtTu97nzOfD0Q8jm3AyrT30UqjaIIU=; b=VrQX28IQRmYJDt+nFmovRpubz68lMUYI9jLlxVb94U+uzNrxtTvRVU6dCOfOL+f65O 7XaRHHzX64C7TZX+R03q98h/NP8dxHO4q4naraUuyWbB8+cFOEGk3hRj2OEZIH74n0CU LnleHpMBi3crhsCMhVxiM08fc8ZLuS/pXzuBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AgcGSN9oVOSML7WiZDHhXHxgjjPTHAkyHPQk8fxuJc4gDsy49uJeHE8HneAsBeDpzm XlQNVDaazo3sgtCT+TvdORozhHMSyeokWTXAOfPWBTK0tnEFDL7OMo3hEmAO0rY1VJ6d f3QydMo68xT4URCxOQQ9VOl86YaSm23ZmsmZo= Received: by 10.141.29.18 with SMTP id g18mr635964rvj.162.1219423891578; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.173.14 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:51:31 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05038c9f-fcd7-4047-8716-d4a182a9680f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48AEEEB7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You are looking at couching. You just take 3 cords and lay them down and cross them at matched interrvals. Pin them at where they cross and couch them down. This looks like a silver cord, but it could be done with any color. It is one of the easiest kinds of knotwork to do. It can be done in cross stictch and is in a lot of cross stitch books that have knotwork. Good luck. *(* Aspasia > > I've already spent ages looking for one very simple celtic knotwork embroidery pattern (.hus, .pes and other embroidery formats), and this list is probably my last chance. Does anyone by accident know where to purchase this style of endless embroidery? > http://www.rivendellbridal.com/files/celticstarbackcloce.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 13:37:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MHbBLp025458 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:37:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MHb5TM024516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:37:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MHai4B096754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MHagE3077092; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MHaclf076950 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290B5138061 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48AF0717.6050409@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:07 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73387eb4-1201-4f35-a6b2-1cbaaf42ccd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48AEF941.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my hair out of my face without difficulty. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 13:48:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MHmkoR025995 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:48:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MHmd9E000330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:48:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MHlxBF097489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MHlx7Q088864; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7MHluRU088706 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72223 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 17:47:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N9D1A38CJylL18f16Yg/vUrMD69jLZdfTlrVsHtkexWqUeB1JqUIl+GlFqoaJmiQx/CWseObsXaNJk58SjEfl9npMmq8Dw4Qin3AVPt+KYKt8nseH6TIHbSXMDU13pagE0zrw3I5o8akPP0LoFhXtgjZFf9gZiV5+R+3kxD5XTk=; X-YMail-OSG: AOnfxgoVM1ndyps32rxfjSGimyjYo8GcJPNGvqrJHmn9IXj3khqMOWufi7rNOfnV3uOm.rGc0bnnSFpO.xq2lANd3LJeU9M8wfTQz8xF03_7HQ1P9OZHp.SmgGRt_1Tr.y8s9oxzGcHOJ7MVy1ixZKWh Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:47:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <927341.72043.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48270eb6-0e77-469b-a3ea-22a6137988d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48AEFBF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cute top! Love the fabric you chose. How about raising the armscye under the arm to make the armhole smaller, like in a Medieval gown? Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:36:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] general fitting questions I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my hair out of my face without difficulty. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 13:54:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MHseFr026183 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:54:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MHsZCP004387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:54:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MHs8Oh097924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MHs6cc095445; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MHrc6V094817 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so522274wra.23 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xZ7OjVOrZjCzK96XvV5a+A/smA9OiW0L/fZ9lURrZ5M=; b=tHTDPXHMi1KIc9VglesHCt6K2EAXPGT8aABgGZp8VkX01IBD+wdsens+FLl/pKGTvr OLel3uJ38Nxs1U7fN0fexD1+SUmSj+XbrjmUZhcCl8HE7heI6TVanPSYPmp9NYGdt6SJ 9k1lZAnZApRwbo+b40GjyTV+3QmJQn4W/WHlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qahwOo0ia6liRKaGqa5Y0fKt4ha/X6h+wieX1xpq7Gv+3rDmZy183HwhSQi8zNwvr3 Z6gLYiIaNB/fJtB7XkfvnFDkNM9AjgdtBng+SqtsTC0h+MPOwxmME3kiUvKVFOBpugaU YUbU8mTYwAWbS/cbWV3nKA3PPaYrZS4zJEgbw= Received: by 10.90.63.12 with SMTP id l12mr1797614aga.18.1219427645252; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590808221054x794bbb3apc3d9e1091253b200@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:54:05 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <927341.72043.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <927341.72043.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5f2a56b-5ab0-4d9f-8d59-16975b05d36b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48AEFD5B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:54:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lower the sleeve cap curve. If you look at the garment in the flat I'll bet the sleeves naturally lay pointed straight down. Rotate the sleeve up until you get the motion/position you want. keeping the armhole opening as small as possible will help with that too. alex > From: Dawn > I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting > issues with it. > > http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg > > Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: > > http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg > > I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was > killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the > first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had > trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't > lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the > pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing > this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my > hair out of my face without difficulty. > > > Dawn > > > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 14:19:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MIJIb6026950 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MIJCRK016933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MIIxKa000602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:18:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MIIwCr022200; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MIIt3G022079 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K6000HARLJCEUB1@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:18:26 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <48AF0717.6050409@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46b83bb3-cfff-449e-9cc5-c560ca216554 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48AF0320.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] general fitting questions I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my hair out of my face without difficulty. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 14:31:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MIVKbg027577 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:31:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MIVEQu001114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:31:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MIUjWb001788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MIUjNV034680; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7MIUfXU034497 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88456 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 18:30:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=SrYogUIS+eCS2YGAvRCGRvXrUsYzI4/II9Pt9mfxtE+ZJyuMFM1WTrVDC8L9W5TZyonau4ETwXKGWT2lvwMoQrfjkx+ouJxs5KWzMbnEXjiFofkGwM2f3VEaqcDesB07QRSK+OCMCDpFpJaE4Fj06abIjfnL+KWkf59hqg53seA=; X-YMail-OSG: WNSCKlYVM1lgeVImw7BAt823WgsDqOThoKzjJM8NSdq2VXCmw7aZ7D5M0MLgKBJXlHQN3jeoE2qAHESZumiEaZQpe6UTWp6ZjDz8o5AQRrm3rY8GAZDY3FWVmLV56kQrj.srKMmxNtRvBIu4yGzpOUDuv8bSQTvFYdgK Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:30:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48AF0717.6050409@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <355739.88286.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a7bf352-5c96-4f3e-94da-22a743a74937 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48AF05F2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have encountered several similar problems and found out a good solution which I very frequently use when I want a tight-fitting sleeve but a good range of motion without too much bulk under the arm, which would be produced by a very shallow sleeve head used in medieval and some later periods. It is kind of trick I first saw in a pattern drafting manual. You might not be able to use it for this sleeve as you won't have enough space to change the pattern shape, but you might use it some other time. The point is lowering the sleeve head but hiding the excess bulk (necessary for free movement) under the arm. You take a regular, tight fitting sleeve and do alternations as shown here (all in cm): http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/sleeve.gif You make a circle with a 5cm radius around the two top ends of the sleeve and draw a new line from the top, joining these circles. You should measure the arm circumefernces on the bodice pattern and use these with some ease on the sleeve or just measure the original circumference of the sleeve and transfer it to the new line. It is a bit difficult to sew the sleeve into the armscye, you'll need a lot of darts on the bodice armhole. The resulting shape can look odd, but works pretty well without a too small armscye and bulk. This is the resulting look of the sleeve: http://www.sartor.cz/images/01-01-02-08_b.jpg She could raise her arms without any difficulty: http://www.sartor.cz/images/01-01-02-08_c.jpg Under the arm, it looks a bit like the "grandes assiettes", if you look closely on the second picture, you'll be able to see it. Unfortunately I don't have the dress here to make some more closer pictures of it. Enjoy, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dawn wrote: > From: Dawn > Subject: [h-cost] general fitting questions > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:36 PM > I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had > some fitting > issues with it. > > http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg > > Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: > > http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg > > I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. > What was > killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. > The model in the > first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion > available. I had > trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because > I couldn't > lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to > adjust on the > pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look > pretty wearing > this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I > couldn't even push my > hair out of my face without difficulty. > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 14:53:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MIrTps028404 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MIrN3R002924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MIr09k003308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MIr057057921; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7MIqt3i057722 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9848 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 18:52:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gp9k5H7UbYZCkWajJ4ZFEqXQwXz3kc3y7v0V7uv24yD9RDISak9m6+z9d1Y1VgdDBfMwl/9rDeMYSnrMy6bScd6/9rnv6XTAav8bLBWcY6JgkAwjFMLMDyEe7owXuozHwR/CcxGZwqhPGl3HFkrxVcfPLdUsf/Q1F3Nnc4jQoZg=; X-YMail-OSG: fkFmbnUVM1mlhp5Z.60jGv1itL2s356cQ2fcbnM7NI4g0nkjm.vLT.UgetuE4X4rDvSYxKvqX0PY2RnFu4OcT_UGfcSsaFFJqcJ5RlU3e0WrqlX._9X0RZaiL5hjRK155iV.AeJkFdzj2nM9t6nmnDNQ Received: from [96.229.160.200] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:52:50 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48AF0717.6050409@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <80985.9422.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions .........How I'd try to fix it..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1000fba2-aec1-40a8-88fc-f74e212868ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48AF0B23.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd revert to old knowledge, adjust the shoulder fit to correct lay, then split open the under arm of the sleeve and add a gusset. Its amazing they never actually try out these patterns "in real life" before running them off. Simplicity had the same problem with one of their most popular Lord Of the Rings patten. Guess Elf girls never had to raise an arm either. Hope that helps Melody Dawn wrote: I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my hair out of my face without difficulty. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 15:36:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MJadwA031054 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:36:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MJaWBq004539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MJV8KI009158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MJV6wS095793; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MJV32H095677 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=rUgkUI0zt1e4IN4MzGlnZ+tsSTV5yYVCCi03Cn11/AM3078ggLJ6/Vm90CEXf34U; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.212] by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KWcLa-0003rt-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:30:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <80985.9422.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80985.9422.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:31:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4500407e9352b83cfb044bea44637e106548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.212 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions .........How I'd try to fix it..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 113daf8b-4e76-4125-9ef9-c0e83d603d93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48AF1541.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:36:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It looks to me as though the pattern illustration shows the neckline sitting higher on the shoulder, so the shoulder seam actually falls atop the shoulder (and the neckline is somewhat squarer in appearance). If you put the shoulder seam just on your shoulder, would that give you any better range of motion? If not, perhaps the sleeve cap has to be lengthened? (Wild speculation.) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Aug 22, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Melody Watts wrote: > I'd revert to old knowledge, adjust the shoulder fit to correct > lay, then split open the under arm of the sleeve and add a gusset. > Its amazing they never actually try out these patterns "in real > life" before running them off. > Simplicity had the same problem with one of their most popular > Lord Of the Rings patten. > Guess Elf girls never had to raise an arm either. > Hope that helps > Melody > > Dawn wrote: > I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some > fitting > issues with it. > > http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg > > Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: > > http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg > > I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was > killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model > in the > first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had > trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't > lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on > the > pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty > wearing > this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even > push my > hair out of my face without difficulty. > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 15:43:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MJgwpS031432 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:43:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MJgbhn003224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MJgGrp010164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MJgG12006964; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f33.google.com (mail-gx0-f33.google.com [209.85.217.33]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MJgDNu006871 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so897344gxk.23 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=dc/77ywNVXO2OC4OIf2e5stQ1ZGZCOHdYr6rXJcZMKY=; b=rZ3baJWK82hx4EILrruENMC76SY/5oUgM8u7/FKHKiRLGS+UAwmz2+wHfv0uK+FWu7 ug3aW5CBcLEnER2WKaBGA24HDxUv88HCECFRbHiKGs4OIZJNhiCcFVkr9pwZdMhFYrpJ gUH19WTyfFKH8sD5tPhA4yctUeAflsVzc351Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZdpI94fE7lMq5phUe5z4njG7jlk6x9LxcuLx5eU+sIkgtfY7P2UZY94dKzOQQwxTK7 h0126P1nAmulLknDX3ZbXqxEwXIpalBAvjXkYoMbmeY5jL+1/+d6gRKXTqPM9TO8+Cuk 3e7pRnVGlgxfFQVdzXAIftlR0QY9oLvWRb5V0= Received: by 10.151.82.13 with SMTP id j13mr2383716ybl.149.1219434128286; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.227.17 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:42:07 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost , Dawn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49ad4d76-5bce-4d39-b168-8d090ac99111 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48AF16AD.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:42:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] general fitting questions To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <48AF0717.6050409@reddawn.net> >I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. >http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg >Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: >http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg >The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? Dawn, Argh! Why didnt you say something when you had it on & I was right there in front of you?! First guess is that the armseye is too low under the armpit, as someone else has suggested. This happens alot in 1930s & 40s dress cuts, too. Second suggestion is that you should flatten the curve on the under arm sean of the sleeve itself. (After you've raised the armseye.) This may also require you to readjust the sleeve head for smoothness. Final suggestion, as I recall your fabric is silk. You can use your iron and squeeze more fabric in the armhole and still maintain smoothness required by the styling. This is a bespoke tailoring trick often done to ease a sleeve head or the roll line of a lapel. My guess here is that you've tugged a little along the bias to get that smoothness. The trick is harder with silk than with wool or linen but still doable. Let me know if you dont understand. I'll try to explain in further detail. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 16:19:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MKJkPs000389 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:19:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MKJfgN028968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MKJMkW013583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MKJK2d043742; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-117.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MKJHCG043599 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1583B13808C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:19:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48AF2D31.9080705@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:18:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <80985.9422.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions .........How I'd try to fix it..... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:19:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > It looks to me as though the pattern illustration shows the neckline > sitting higher on the shoulder, so the shoulder seam actually falls > atop the shoulder (and the neckline is somewhat squarer in > appearance). If you put the shoulder seam just on your shoulder, would > that give you any better range of motion? Adjusting it so the shoulders fit properly does help with the sleeves a lot, but not nearly as much as I would like. I am going to go with the gusset idea, as it will allow me to salvage this piece (even if I could find more of the silk fabric, it was $35 a yard) as I hate the idea of wasting what's gone into it so far. When I make this again, and I'm sure I will, I will be making more substantial changes to the pattern itself. Thanks everyone who had comments and suggestions. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 16:26:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MKQ9tQ000729 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:26:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MKQ3un027232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:26:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MKKb4k013800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MKKbUh045076; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MKKXFe044895 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5UQ31a0010Fqzac57YLUWb; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:20:28 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([71.207.23.6]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5YLT1a00T07tFU73UYLUbN; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:20:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0Mz36mHVFhgA:10 a=PbJ0A_ylrXKSg0u-glwA:9 a=X64gT6zCw5wvLlRBICUqL5BHoLwA:4 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 Message-ID: <012401c90494$7abd0a50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <280241.77348.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:20:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e940d05-7893-49be-ad6a-e5792cb64c12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48AF20DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:26:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You are looking at couching. You just take 3 cords and lay them down and cross them at matched interrvals. Pin them at where they cross and couch them down. This looks like a silver cord, but it could be done with any color. It is one of the easiest kinds of knotwork to do. It can be done in cross stictch and is in a lot of cross stitch books that have knotwork. Good luck. *(* Aspasia>> Yes, but she specified PES or HUS format; those are formats for machine embroidery. I'd be interested in finding more designs like that myself. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 18:21:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MMLoHM007383 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MMLfFw011102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MML8YZ021579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MML2m9055533; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MMK0Rk054697 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Zq41a00116AWCUA7aM1vv; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:21:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5aLz1a00d00zNUK8SaM0W2; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:21:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jauPMnKmAAAA:8 a=NjZh0ugeAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=jaSU8UqA8yyKIDO224kA:9 a=9P8JeT9vyxRpCD0nkzgA:7 a=Eulspa7LJq3lU3A0thiFEfbRVrwA:4 a=BmaxZVgir_0A:10 a=BDXKcin-EtgA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <870801590808221054x794bbb3apc3d9e1091253b200@mail.gmail.com> References: <927341.72043.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <870801590808221054x794bbb3apc3d9e1091253b200@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <5a2145d2dd58cd33c283538523ef6688@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:20:59 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78b6fb4d-18da-4847-b3fb-f972aa5f03f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48AF3BF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Seems to me like the problem is that this doesn't fit you as it should, judging from the Vogue pic. It's not supposed to be off the shoulder. Looks like your neckline is way too wide and that makes your armscye fall down. I don't think you can do anything at this point to correct it. Sylvia ' On Aug 22, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > Lower the sleeve cap curve. If you look at the garment in the flat > I'll bet the sleeves naturally lay pointed straight down. Rotate the > sleeve up until you get the motion/position you want. keeping the > armhole opening as small as possible will help with that too. > > alex > >> From: Dawn > >> I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some >> fitting >> issues with it. >> >> http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/20000/itm_img/V7733.jpg >> >> Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: >> >> http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg >> >> I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was >> killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in >> the >> first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had >> trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't >> lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on >> the >> pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty >> wearing >> this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push >> my >> hair out of my face without difficulty. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> > -- > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's > Friday..." ;) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 18:55:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MMtv6r008602 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:55:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MMtqYf020394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MMtMHW023593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MMtLtL084561; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MMtJMr084437 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=HSqIvltv7Dl+afOhTXGryevssUwZUfnXO9Y8P+eAOC4u75t0oXVlyX/7CESVUwif; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.25] (helo=mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KWfXF-0003WE-Sv for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:55:13 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: <7909904.1219445713899.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:55:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c94adf66e715a94b0612261cce0eb8f05350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions .........How I'd try to fix it..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22aac111-16cb-4a74-9d7b-e648569474f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48AF43F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:55:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dawn wrote: >I am going to go with the gusset idea, as it will allow me to salvage >this piece (even if I could find more of the silk fabric, it was $35 a >yard) as I hate the idea of wasting what's gone into it so far. When I >make this again, and I'm sure I will, I will be making more substantial >changes to the pattern itself. For when you're working on the muslin for the next one: One common cause of not being able to raise your arms high enough is when the armhole is (somewhat paradoxically) cut too BIG. A bigger armhole with a lower bottom curve actually translates into LESS freedom of motion, not more, as you would think. This is because as you move your arm upward, the low meeting point of sleeve and body under the arm means the sleeve quickly begins to transfer the "pull" upward onto the body fabric -- which can't really move upward very far if it's at all closely fitted or confined at the waist. A higher meeting point means you can raise your arm further before it starts to pull. I know I've made this mistake ;) Try raising the bottom line of the armhole to make a smaller "hole" and see if that makes a difference. (Of course, there are practical limits here, you don't want the armhole so small it binds or feels tight. But pattern companies, who have to make a pattern that attempts to fit all body shapes, often do rather large armholes to accommodate people who have heavy upper arms, and that simply doesn't fit everyone else correctly.) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 19:33:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MNXDfJ009975 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MNX6G3017884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MNWilk025612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MNWhOI014616; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7MNWeGD014511 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49588 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 23:32:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=lYXS2/xn/ok0WjmmlI4pGHvXLdaG5BSC4NhXc9Xz6vDTXEdqI8X/H0NPNz5pO1YaQ+E/wGO4NtrajS2BlQpCgqJu0V4NVNwMU/6mOZ+ofYHKyCPu4yb4dFJGKr/CkDaWHm2XP5+WOmluINl+F0AAiB4rC0mSShbKnH+FA35dXlg=; X-YMail-OSG: e5.IXg0VM1mOxwpbRoOOH7jxI3DzBdgKYpuW0YwiAocVsIRkahTDzktKtxS7OiZ0fkPrWLl.Q7_JZn_AFTPiEe8IOLM3Ktv4Lj7mU3EmPxW17nRS6e15.fLaUWV7GF8- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:32:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <012401c90494$7abd0a50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <849396.48795.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design - celtic knotwork font X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e2a94c7-8676-414b-8a96-81d475aa2a89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48AF4CB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:33:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you for all replies, I hope with the help of Connie I'll be able to get this sort of embroidery design. When searching for inspiration, I found this wonderful font: http://www.deviantart.com/download/33983611/CelticKnotFont.rar With it you can make many own designs. I hope it'll be of some use, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 19:38:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7MNcqjS010381 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7MNckAb023833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7MNcVlU025950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MNcVhm018970; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7MNcQCD018856 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.bdc.34115a00 (14467) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92c1a9cf-ca17-4c2f-be45-cb4ca862c893 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48AF4E06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/22/2008 6:22:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: Looks like your neckline is way too wide ***************** Not WAY too wide, but too wide IMHO. A fix for this they used to do in the early and mid 1800's was to run a ribbon thru the facing of the decollatage, having the ends emerge on the inside, usually in the back where the bodice opened. But it can be in the front. This can be pulled up so the neckline fits snuggly. It usually doesn't gather up but merely eases the neckline in and is not noticeable when that ease is distributed correctly. Don't use elastic for this. You want something that won't go anywhere. Use a 1/4" twill tape or something. Remember, the ends that you tie are on the inside of the bodice. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 20:27:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7N0RWvb013291 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:27:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7N0RO6V028402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7N0QlJB028503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7N0Ql93055826; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7N0QhLG055782 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 337F93FEFE for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:26:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-reply-to: <012401c90494$7abd0a50$0617cf47@DDD7J8F1> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] celtic embroidery design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f336c39-4000-4d64-9877-af8c38f6b423 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48AF596D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:27:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you looked at these sites? http://www.scarlettrose.com/celtic_knot_designs.html http://www.grandembroiderydesigns.com/277-inspira-cd-celtic-knotwork-machine -embroidery-design.php http://tinyurl.com/5k7kga http://www.secretsof.com/content/1204 not quite what you are looking for but an idea for something different. http://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/html/16213.html -----Original Message----- Yes, but she specified PES or HUS format; those are formats for machine embroidery. I'd be interested in finding more designs like that myself. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:27:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PIRfBK023929 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:27:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PIRXHJ031478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PIR95E074456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIR5d6090569; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIR4QN090538 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1419111wra.23 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:27:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=IusX+NBdYMX19ODuA2022tEGR9IY6zG3aXjvUhE5YHc=; b=BWgTPzawDUSwzuJlj8nMEVKIlDqx0lM+Snh3bLaqnVP9D2GyPkJJlz/EuTKHqAKJzV /z8wCP1o72lNmGZ60JWjcYxVVvh7Xo2q39txYfuaF2X5EDWeJl3CBa1H0J6LiyzOvUDx JiCGLOWly6gobCGFGPo8QKm56v3cypBGX7AB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=S+GRy0E/ZJsjaAPrRyS6cYQ64/HZNLjTTagXgDItjR9IijkwvhDEk73BF/f2vb67h6 k7n01pZpGC13oNxsk0dZ2IiFyW+zexZ5Xgtctv9OFU4ON+IInwLgKVAJqh+KicgzHxR5 oK1Jfg6ldDyyvTmxtleXzDtMxEyJABrN8rT94= Received: by 10.90.51.13 with SMTP id y13mr5737182agy.46.1219688824208; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.105.19 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:27:04 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0908793-fe68-4a15-bae0-207c739d046e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B2F995.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:27:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then stuffing the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little puffy. I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... Thanks for your time, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:29:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PITrel023997 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PITlZt010343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PITYBv074734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PITYLo093821; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PITUc2093636 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.cd8.363925f0 (37517) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA082-928d48b2f9fa170; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:15 -0400 Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:14 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 053b35bf-50d5-4911-ad1b-a7c229918093 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48B2FA1B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO trapunto On Aug 25, 08, at 2:27 PM, J A Urbik wrote: > This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't > think > of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get > started. > > What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then > stuffing > the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a > little > puffy. > > I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... > > Thanks for your time, Jordana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:33:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PIX6Ue024172 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PIX1th002964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PIWiQ8075168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIWi6d098130; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIWfLs098077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.189] (dial-209-148-99-189.sonic.net [209.148.99.189] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m7PIWdGf019245 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <48B2FAC7.5080700@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:39 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 467b24e9-df11-4cfc-a4ba-8fbfdad6675a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B2FADD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Trapunto? Technically more of a quilting technique. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com J A Urbik wrote: > This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think > of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. > > What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then stuffing > the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little > puffy. > > I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... > > Thanks for your time, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:33:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PIXQh6024181 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PIXLCA012798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PIX0VN075213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIWx3B098451; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIWw8C098423 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1421504wra.23 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ATrkiFYZ1KxjPzXsVgOdcAlg/7tOtpYPqXcFUOPJQt8=; b=S9gFIpnGbHQ9YqUWjR2le/9IFiQWmAhjPG8wQ9UDNh9f3P+nLesMKnR/NY5EGML+t9 KGipDvdW9zJl73KIhW7pbATnueXzNPH3Ilpz22n/7W3+otk/jVmkzyxQMNxXSQvMJgQf TTDCGvIgaOw3RhQReSdn7VklHiBm1TgiaZwsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xz+PvWcT5gku0J+MALW4YvctchrxgTnF4bj08iNzOo7TzRtJMCk3jzAyBMbSxDyLm6 eWlzNqQIwcFePgiv0Xz+fA2fUrfZkXnMoTcnH6R1+ggE3UCamNJMgm38qrhgBYQ3zp32 2rBv7rXykq8s2OVmPtrzCGJuMQ72q9DpZlp98= Received: by 10.90.113.17 with SMTP id l17mr5754408agc.20.1219689177951; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.105.19 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:32:57 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9362a30-8727-4dfa-bff7-aa3e8f423cc2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48B2FAF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ah, perfect. Thanks! I was looking around yesterday and Sat on the internet, hoping that I would come across the name and a light bulb would go off, but no luck. Makes it much easier to find example if i can at least remember the name. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > trapunto > > > > > On Aug 25, 08, at 2:27 PM, J A Urbik wrote: > > This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think >> of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. >> >> What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then >> stuffing >> the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little >> puffy. >> >> I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... >> >> Thanks for your time, Jordana >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:42:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PIgDDA024643 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:42:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PIg6iZ018466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PIfpdL076070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIfppG009831; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIfn5e009770 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so1425198wra.23 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RFFtQx+IPJBr+OrULjvXKfS5MMOn7Ok9UKyyY1CVba0=; b=IVoulX5ki67oY8pv0v9t6TmSDsjuExLPPbzj35ORIi2TMs2JNwaOmoeVpkXZwn/Gmh 9YrLAmpmawajGxCqX8n0xv5irNHyqdaWockTy2RlXzl2aMpUcJRfPK9TL9MTTCTuPDn7 uTL+0XodDakQHax7/tYrcgPKrnG18fEA/NFlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oQwGyAi7/kfgo3WkQjf24TnBW5H7bAUmwwpVK6vpp17oULP2CzV+p00yHHR35Df+By 07jrq478i0GROunhOolkeKC3W2yblPKd/9IjMR5XKvMzoH+pT2jNd9Ufvt96Cyh4KubG rMz9pFRXVFx8dLo5BqnxQDvS9xJVeYY09metk= Received: by 10.90.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr5753514aga.56.1219689708815; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.105.19 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:41:48 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <48B2FAC7.5080700@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48B2FAC7.5080700@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a4e9883-665c-41af-89b4-a5280a97beac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48B2FCFE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:42:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well.. if you are going to be technical..... yes, but it was coming up in my brain under embroidery. that, i think, just goes to show something is wrong in that particular organ. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Trapunto? Technically more of a quilting technique. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > J A Urbik wrote: > >> This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think >> of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. >> >> What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then >> stuffing >> the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little >> puffy. >> >> I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... >> >> Thanks for your time, Jordana >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 14:50:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PIoBWn025077 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:50:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PIo47Z030104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PInh24076811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIng5E020300; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PIndXh020098 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.cdf.363ff9b7 (30739) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:49:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3140e5c3-d05c-42f9-a8cd-e55039d49b51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B2FEDC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:50:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/25/2008 2:42:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jaurbik@gmail.com writes: Well.. if you are going to be technical..... yes, but it was coming up in my brain under embroidery. that, i think, just goes to show something is wrong in that particular organ. ************* It's often included with embroidery techniques... especially cording, which is technically quilting too. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 16:05:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PK5CNB028319 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:05:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PK4xsU017183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PK48ws084751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PK44nR015755; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7PK3xDn015518 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 93688 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 20:03:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vip5M4jataFx2yhAqndOALTcvw/Q7judYB/B6uft5wcv7dDqu78h23RQONXc+FJmon/A6bYAHizTjI5QFda8ZNlYG1iHh1o4kYux27ZmXDJcFjzP4d/uRlNyWYGjhTtgR+QUCCjP16xUPcE9DEMATEgN3pGX89BsGGgj5vXUnvk=; Received: from [64.252.128.112] by web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <970298.92150.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1688e804-7ff8-4130-b7e7-3a9c6312d185 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48B3106B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:05:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe you are talking about trapunto.=A0 It's a type of quilting techni= que.=A0 Lynn --- On Mon, 8/25/08, J A Urbik wrote: From: J A Urbik Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique To: "Historical Costume" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:41 PM Well.. if you are going to be technical..... yes, but it was coming up in my brain under embroidery. that, i think, just goes to show something is wrong in that particular organ. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Trapunto? Technically more of a quilting technique. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > J A Urbik wrote: > >> This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think >> of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. >> >> What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then >> stuffing >> the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little >> puffy. >> >> I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... >> >> Thanks for your time, Jordana >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 16:16:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PKG9ES028856 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:16:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PKG1Lk026408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PKEwaT086564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PKEwQ8031969; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7PKEqlW031654 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2845 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 20:14:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=irBKiETpSezLf9w95TRxSuCY/tYC76QqlYpcPgCsOHRHDKx7e5CPX5/SLGEpHx3HVnYZeGigrJJKUwowyjvHwRzOC/Or7UgiktmYcwSt9M28KF8b5Y+VfLi+SVaf7Yh3y0M4c71q0BXxIw7jnsiJ6XG9YQNFjjrXOGHnvrxaGo4=; X-YMail-OSG: MuSUNs8VM1mDt1pNtxKmqLkk_gmpe2twsZ7JEMou4OsLqz6oUdd6eK7D15Snao62T8u8UKSI2mTJIkEPnVdogSKxI2jqGSvxE7cK2bjuXF1qcnszCFzKfloQEYB7TfgnEJP9eVzfNxXqOgid0gXCJBfN Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:14:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <504601.1441.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] regency fashion plates website is gone? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc1338a2-80fe-4ba3-a7e2-662721b5fc5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B31301.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 16:46:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PKjxda030424 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:45:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PKjrg6019337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PKjBx5089609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PKjAdC071273; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PKj5Mv071076 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.197]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PKj0oX002361 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:45:01 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa1f62d2-04bb-4bde-8e30-7209738a15a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48B31A01.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:27 AM, J A Urbik wrote: > This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't > think > of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get > started. > > What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then > stuffing > the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a > little > puffy. > > I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... You're not finding it because it's a quilting technique. I think "trapunto" is what you're looking for. It can be done with roving, but is often done using fuzzy bulky yarn and a big crewel needle (easier to work). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 18:53:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PMrGDn005909 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PMr87x027639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PMqV9R099530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PMqS3W014050; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com (gateway16.websitewelcome.com [69.93.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7PMqPHY013997 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 8933 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 23:00:21 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 23:00:21 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60967) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KXktU-0000uf-Bo; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:50:40 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:50:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20080825185040.hnsyzabksg8gc8ck@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:50:40 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: <504601.1441.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <504601.1441.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency fashion plates website is gone? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e147867-e5ea-4c1b-8ae6-97feb30a5858 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B337D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com: > Hello, > > Does anyone know anyone who is connected to this website: > > http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/index.html > > It contains really nice collection of Regency fashion plates, > photographs, and Regency-related links, which I was perusing as > recently as 2 weeks ago. Since then the server has been down. There > were some specific images I wanted to look at again, but can't, and > I'm pouting in a major way. > I googled "cathy" and "regency fashion" and found this http://regencyfashion.org/ apparently the locutus server is having problems (hal is dead) too. I did find this http://www.chaffey.edu/english/faculty.htm which has her contact information on it. This is a university server, and she's still there, so I'd assume that it will be back ASAP. The other option is to try the wayback machine. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 18:56:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7PMuMqm006178 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:56:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7PMuGjT030989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7PMtlG5000535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PMtlNF017948; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PMtife017816 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W23 ([64.4.19.123]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.66] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:55:38 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <970298.92150.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <970298.92150.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2008 22:55:38.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[B16B7410:01C90705] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f089a6cf-8831-46a2-a58c-4fa6135565eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B33890.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Trupunto is a technique where a 3d effect is achieved by layering or creating puckered lines around a shape. It can be over cording, cloth of a different color or batting. It is often done with thread of the same color as the top layer of cloth. It's it's own embellishment treatment. Lots of time but the effect is well worth the effort.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:53 -0700> From: lynnroth@sbcglobal.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique> > I believe you are talking about trapunto. It's a type of quilting technique. Lynn> > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, J A Urbik wrote:> > From: J A Urbik > Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique> To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:41 PM> > Well.. if you are going to be technical..... yes, but it was coming up in my> brain under embroidery. that, i think, just goes to show! something is wrong> in that particular organ.> > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Lavolta Press> wrote:> > > Trapunto? Technically more of a quilting technique.> >> > Fran> > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming> > http://www.lavoltapress.com> >> >> > J A Urbik wrote:> >> >> This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i> can't think> >> of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get> started.> >>> >> What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then> >> stuffing> >> the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a> little> >> puffy.> >>> >> I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure...> >>> >> Thanks for your time, Jordana> >>> > _______________________________________________> > h-costume mailing list> > h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> >> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.! indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> _! ______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. 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Hadn't thought to just punch some relevant words in to google. Perhaps I'll send her and email to give her a push to move the pages. Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:50:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency fashion plates website is gone? Quoting cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com: > Hello, > > Does anyone know anyone who is connected to this website: > > http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/index.html > > It contains really nice collection of Regency fashion plates, > photographs, and Regency-related links, which I was perusing as > recently as 2 weeks ago. Since then the server has been down. There > were some specific images I wanted to look at again, but can't, and > I'm pouting in a major way. > I googled "cathy" and "regency fashion" and found this http://regencyfashion.org/ apparently the locutus server is having problems (hal is dead) too. I did find this http://www.chaffey.edu/english/faculty.htm which has her contact information on it. This is a university server, and she's still there, so I'd assume that it will be back ASAP. The other option is to try the wayback machine. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:12:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com: > Thanks! Hadn't thought to just punch some relevant words in to > google. Perhaps I'll send her and email to give her a push to move > the pages. > You're welcome! Pages move (like this one apparently had), and Stuff Happens! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 12:22:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QGM9Cj008560 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QGM3kE028169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QGLB1p069440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QGKxRC082512; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7QGKu3v082435 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200808261620.m7QGKu3v082435@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 30689 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 09:20:20 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 30673, pid: 30682, t: 0.4194s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 09:20:19 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:20:58 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Linen sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72271e22-cba3-4602-8a54-6f269379422b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B42DAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just ran across this huge list of sewing blogs. I have no idea whether any of them will be useful to h-costume members, but thought I might as well post the link: http://www.suzical.co.uk/sewing-blogs.html Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 16:18:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QKICLJ017648 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QKHsqR009506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QKHa1a089049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKHYbp072680; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKHVbI072531 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.d31.39a597d0 (42807) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:17:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Setting color question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82777f22-ce72-4a0d-9d45-b381f9c4ca81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48B464F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the advice (or it was before I joined). I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it first. My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne" but they have been out of it for a while. It's a "color fixative for cotton fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water. I've been using it on linen with good results. What can I use instead? Someone at the fabric store suggested white vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or amounts. I would like to wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to shrink before I use it. I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six yards. Any advice? Thanks, Catherine **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 16:29:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QKTMYZ017975 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:29:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QKTHGe026734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QKSx2F090393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKSwCL086855; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKSs0E086676 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB8B1388FD for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:28:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48B47575.5060706@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:28:21 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Setting color question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff327c73-919f-402c-b2e3-af4460844100 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B4679D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO CBellfleur@aol.com wrote: > This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the > advice (or it was before I joined). > > I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it > first. My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne" but > they have been out of it for a while. It's a "color fixative for cotton > fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water. I've been using it on > linen with good results. You should be able to mail order Retayne from any number of quilting web stores. Or, if you have specialty quilt shops in your area, check with them, too. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 16:31:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QKVXTj018047 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:31:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QKVQKR008338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QKV8uH090563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKV7Pr089536; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7QKV35r089435 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200808262031.m7QKV35r089435@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 14074 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 13:31:05 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14068, pid: 14071, t: 0.2059s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp2 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 13:31:05 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:31:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Setting color question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ac5c954-0118-47a2-b232-389d147edbd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B4681E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:31:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:17 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the >advice (or it was before I joined). > >I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it >first. My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne" but >they have been out of it for a while. It's a "color fixative for cotton >fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water. I've >been using it on >linen with good results. > >What can I use instead? Someone at the fabric store suggested white >vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or >amounts. I would like to >wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to >shrink before I >use it. I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six yards. > >Any advice? > >Thanks, >Catherine I'd go to http://dharmatrading.com/ . They sell everything you need for dyeing fabric. And here's the direct link to a dye fixative http://dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1569-AA.shtml?lnav=chemicals.html . Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 16:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QKaE3f018225 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:36:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QKa8AK001924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:36:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QKUluT090521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKUk1c089047; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QKUfCr088832 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 6.ca5.343d34c7 (42805) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:30:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Setting color question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88575be1-c6bf-49f7-839d-724aa4d5c51e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B46938.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:36:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/2008 4:18:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CBellfleur@aol.com writes: Someone at the fabric store suggested white vinegar, but *************** It depends of what the dye was. Procian dyes, like the kind you get from Dharma Trading Co, are fixed with soda ash....which is the same as PH plus (alkaline) you get from a pool & spa place. Vinegar is PH minus (acid) so.... Do you have any containers of the Retayne. Look and see what's in it. Acid or alkaline. With the PH plus it's usually 1 cup to a gallon of water. Don't know about the acid, but that's a good start. Doesn't Ritt make a fixer? Do some tests. If it's a commercial fabric, is it really that runny? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 17:28:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7QLSq66019963 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7QLSkY8005610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7QLSE6N094970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QLSChH056960; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QLS8AJ056794 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=V/suhsDkHFok5dlSUuu6aHbGHnwWlrYh8Xez3M44Xm4IewSy5UX74s0Yzwqs7WJD; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.41] (helo=elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KY652-0001Mm-MN for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:00 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3949555.1219786080589.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:28:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c6f533f3405aee681eae4a3a1be3e720d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Setting color question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aff62dec-5e90-4988-b4b1-357ebfd20761 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48B4758E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO CBellfleur@aol.com wrote: >I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it >first. My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne" but >they have been out of it for a while. It's a "color fixative for cotton >fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water. I've been using it on >linen with good results. > >What can I use instead? Someone at the fabric store suggested white >vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or amounts. I would like to >wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to shrink before I >use it. I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six yards. White vinegar is helpful _during_ the dyeing process for some dyes, but IMHO it doesn't do any good afterward -- it's helpful in dyeing when the acidity of the dyebath makes the dye "take" better. Nonetheless, it's widely recommended as a method of "fixing" dye and there are people who swear by it. My science education leads me to be very skeptical, though ;) Your best bet is probably mail/internet order: I know Dharma Trading used to stock both the brand-name Retayne and their own generic version, and their service is quite fast and competent. Some commercial detergents do contain small amounts of something comparable -- they generally advertise on the box that they help keep colors fast. I've always relied on my little bottle of Retayne, so I don't know how well they work. If you need something quickly and don't mind paying inflated prices for a couple of laundry loads' worth, the Rit dye company sells (or used to sell) a color fixer right there on the rack with their little dye packages. It's actually just Retayne, packaged in a little one-washer-load envelope, but you can sometimes find it in areas where there aren't a lot of specialized stores that would stock Retayne any other way. It might be called "Run Away" if my memory isn't playing tricks on me, but if you find it, read the box to be sure that's what it does. In general, quilters are good people to ask about dye and marking questions, since when you sew little bits of various colored fabrics together on a routine basis, you encounter these problems a _lot_ . There also exists a detergent called Synthropol which I think of (incorrectly) as the "opposite" of Retayne -- Synthropol is pretty effective at removing dye that has run onto somewhere it is *NOT* supposed to be (as when all your underwear comes out of the washer pink...). It does not "fix" the dye that is already attached to fibers: what it does is to remove any dye that is just hanging around in the cloth and _not_ firmly attached. Good luck: reds tend to be among the more difficult colors to keep where you want them ;) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 20:08:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7R08p2W027186 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7R08joK013224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7R08GmD016785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R08Cxt031706; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R08B2n031690 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2676356rvb.11 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:08:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=PzfdxF8Jpe/vt3OxxUqSIhhvoGXyDomzOWqCLwGw7tA=; b=JrgVcOf12/56GV2zW0uSZwaoGGNmVO1HWNtrV6ib0jKydTVe2KxNq08BhE85QgdAfg NNRYEMaj4i+iSkdmHQ0SNDw5RCLVF0OdAGDHO1pz8JIwunB1QKiIhDurjhXPqlXp9b4X FpWi6ypEjva8RPLQesn0GNTilsKyLreoR/pC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Bv8F2IDxvKKkGfsCkqlB0BwNMRg2H7Cw53+Us3UrPrJY2YxKh6822YkH+8NRQKKLei VstJWdXgk1X1rOgIg82e/W7ZcAWNQyJ5sRgeVOxCKX8kVdXCPiKOJiH/+MugqSwXygPE +2b6cOcQwoe25d/xTW/IgXIGNXItZjdLC1lts= Received: by 10.141.53.4 with SMTP id f4mr3206803rvk.82.1219795691479; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.135.12 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070808261708w671c5414y7c7fd276b0667817@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:11 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] fabric store closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc6b6a06-4e76-45de-9dc1-665c754d1ae1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B49B0D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have bad news (possibly) for those in the Boston area. I just heard from my sister-in-law (who works there) that the Fabric Place in Woburn will be closing shortly. Don't know yet if it is the whole chain or just that store, but they closed the store in CT a year and a half (or more) ago. It was pretty much the only full service sewing clothing fabric store for the north of Boston area if one didn't want to put up with Jo-Ann's. I was last in there a couple on months ago and they certainly looked like they were starting to cut back, the trim and lace selection was pitiful. At least I still have Zimman's nearby with to-die-for drapery silks..... Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 21:01:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7R11rsL029511 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:01:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7R11lmk017699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7R11CVB019866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R11CiK074002; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7R10EfT073070 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61336 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 01:00:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gAwu3I4NVTha9euv6a+NRMaCBSfo1D5LZwtuQ8C/MUbb2dAWBRVbRXsUnW4T8EUN6QBRpr233oJn/7lkSJR339+VM6tSC8fwErQJG4fRANAK2W3sPTwHpXg6dpElDLoxylxpXFuy6mCqmevD4hcSU/9T+D2YJXeXQfVRZ1tIEtU=; X-YMail-OSG: 1DMAAFQVM1mFdxcSB3RBbhYfMkpeb6.hRTui9ppbUfjoycwN6R6cuuUSnnAgrr1t7w8XLyLJ2adA0UtmxsyQykHLRJSgMoNdiaxlkoACF7y9kOw3UuvAabhCSg.Et6Pa53AbfuEszk6.I44Wtp2UR49I Received: from [69.183.16.153] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070808261708w671c5414y7c7fd276b0667817@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <123525.60102.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric store closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aeabd75f-e0dd-4371-83ae-c8bcf714b9a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B4A77B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:01:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Connecticut store closed on quite short notice; I found out when I went in for a yard of plain china silk. No one now regularly carries china silk in the central Connecticut area. :( Good thing Osgood's isn't too far away. Ann in CT --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Katy Bishop wrote: > Boston area. Fabric Place in Woburn will be closing shortly. > they closed the store in CT a year and a > half (or more) ago. > > Katy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 01:15:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7R5F2n2003152 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:15:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7R5Er6A013916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:15:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7R5EOjj033507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R5D2H6062924; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R5D1rN062893 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2767278rvb.11 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fVnzXr4KPOQn/phbPGrSdV5CvB+lxmyf9AOxkeoaTa8=; b=eRgez93CTaOMoq27mPO14tac8HIlOOBRQnKIA6kvgHyf07mJiCUH7lKNY4VhC6Kf2K edop7avn5tCbkDBf5GmvRYNnxDFp07iLpnkMXFFcFJ9cpOztzpU2Nt2WlOAROTmFxn2i 4PpuK9AscXC5Qm1OriVWvx92AXS9H2XNrmu0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LzpiNgEWxtGRD7JBuNdKhoTjFKVRwcqji0xjRPXWuL4gOy5yo2Okj2qc7sKUOkRXp7 cc2VVqIvRLvY5FaaK9R0zQOgCNoCQWYlh+XjpLDxLOUQk6yqBm5/dujbHsST9AglwQ/Q /hqY7QbXDJC8iRcaX7JBTQhZCv975UaXxuqhk= Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr5586761wal.33.1219813980778; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.137.4 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:13:00 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Goofy costume patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0345d158-714c-4a09-8a94-44b28c03fb9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48B4E2CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:15:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO from *Khaliah Ali* http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?crit=1065&id=1089&StartRow=1 They really are pretty awful, but who knows, some parts may be adaptable. And hey, at least they come in plus sizes, for a change! MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 01:33:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7R5XATg003446 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7R5X335018082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7R5Wh0d035248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R5VOhQ078598; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7R5VNKG078584 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1083416wah.3 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:31:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=sTkDonP2FuIE47NK/aEzL3SKkxthRvX49qPktXEMnUo=; b=BNnjfeEzvRO4CJagoNvJzUEYjoPzdeDZgKF1teFzXHPyhzfYWSbYjloudqH/VksJE3 ZAmxsr60+510c6YOpqS6Ufh9wg+Zy5YyMk0G0LQNIn6AaJ9XYxnRt32k82DefA5p6rdx McgGkzDGXe1gAa8IpEG/Zw+MCh1jbgQUHGlJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=Rl9yWMezn1giFIAfkNb76mqAS4FT0I1oc2yUewRuvp5JzCxNHABsGwylw3yRVIXRzb Iw7p3brVUYUePPykhEkTP06tTOQbYkNGxWYGKavopg5LYisWwcQZC7UgHelrRuzsIf0I e3TQjcAx5ICKPoVWNW5wXtCocfpAfIHok5NRo= Received: by 10.114.57.1 with SMTP id f1mr5588436waa.46.1219815081988; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [67.160.37.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n22sm13569023pof.3.2008.08.26.22.31.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:31:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckIA+4j++RLcFUpQU2+/PmqQB/fOgAAEaAA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <48b4e6a8.16be600a.17ae.34dd@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Goofy costume patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 462c92b2-43f4-4528-acff-3bf120cc00f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B4E70F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:56:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have taken a bodice with princess seams like those pirate and gypsy patterns (basically the same pattern as far as I can see) and turned it into a decent 16th century bodice (this page gives rough instructions on how I did it http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/Tudor/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html), so for a plus sized woman who doesn't want to draft her own bodice pattern (and that's the most difficult part of most historic costumes) it could be useful for something 16th or maybe even 18th century. The biggest problem is really the lack of sleeves but you can take the sleeves off a non costume pattern (though you'd have to adjust that as well so the seam ran down the back of the arm not underneath). Elizabeth ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 3:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Goofy costume patterns from *Khaliah Ali* http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?crit=1065&id=1089&StartRow=1 They really are pretty awful, but who knows, some parts may be adaptable. And hey, at least they come in plus sizes, for a change! MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 07:58:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7RBwMrg002544 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7RBvwHF018055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7RBvYxv056169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RBvWTH057353; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RBvR6K057291 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.114822478; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:05 0100 Received: from dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg02.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.224]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m7RBv4W04095.; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.240.5; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:50:37 +0100 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.41]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:03 +0100 From: Kate M Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:01 +0100 Thread-Topic: Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. Thread-Index: AckIPAQ3bFdqq3iqTLu0BtY3wIRbqg== Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487841ED5542@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f34cb48d-77ab-4abf-a24a-d3387e277a9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48B54146.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At a re-enactment event at the weekend, someone mentioned that she had heard that women's bodices were called waistcoats in the early 17th century. No-one else was aware of this. I'm sure I have seen mention of the waistcoat as a woman's garment on this list, but can anyone clarify the definition? Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 11:02:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7RF2lS0007904 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:02:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7RF2RTu029322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:02:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7RF1lqC068885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RF1hMs030075; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RF1de1029877 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from MOO.jigrah.co.uk (cpc2-midd3-0-0-cust220.midd.cable.ntl.com [82.4.0.221]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1KYMWb1Pst-0007VF; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:01:33 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:01:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jill Hadfield In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487841ED5542@MKT-MBX01.unive rsity.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487841ED5542@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0MKwh2-1KYMWb1Pst-0007VF@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+IvK8sNjqv3RbovXDXIU0PmtJfXOAlNUUXgU8 QR2TkGll0ucdlzEj1tkIYnPZYo3Vtgkd/F3Sszp6P8wm3c4imB WBRbjClQe00Ed2rjiJHr5uP8EsI5JIw X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd223187-6fb9-4e90-b00a-afc8db8445d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48B56C83.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:02:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO According to some books I have, a 'waistcoat' was a coat cut to the waist. i.e. a short coat (with sleeves) - didn't matter if it was male or female. Therefore a bodice was a waistcoat (worn with a skirt) as apposed to a 'gown' which was like a long coat but tended to be worn by married women. Jill At 12:57 27/08/2008, you wrote: >At a re-enactment event at the weekend, someone mentioned that she >had heard that women's bodices were called waistcoats in the early >17th century. No-one else was aware of this. I'm sure I have seen >mention of the waistcoat as a woman's garment on this list, but can >anyone clarify the definition? > >Kate Bunting >Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >Internal Virus Database is out of date. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: >19/08/2008 18:53 Membership Secretary Sir Thomas Tyldesley's Regiment of Foote - www.thomas-tyldesleys.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 12:06:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7RG6cIh009428 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:06:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7RG6U3U010057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:06:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7RG5xMD074842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RG5KRo006362; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RG5Hcf006304 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1416989yxb.71 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=n7gUeYFKh5TMVYs/Ic5SeJrMrbJQeUmP9jeEXiyKv/g=; b=d8Rc/wyealHQUMoNSwYBd/OyCWuJgIxSwnhvu7I0B+wCi2u4ak8Cmo3SQwptoiaYHd k3iQN4bN2bxqEjo8joTmzXitrqQMV415eMfgCW4t2KBbBDH/DMAe2OjBtKB8CU2RSuoZ 8OGmLC1NEC1a+u2aTNASmWPR8i86UbVsciNmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kliYCJuNHl8DyCAWKN2cO2G4TsSNPEJ2Ku3doFUw1nrMNEziv0AYq1Su/8HRfwQ0yf 1qG7fm3zniPPK8TaeWh9sMz7bv2Z6fTMUISv/scnfjuKdZhhID2Vl2mGvqH+jFq/0VPv sj/tIKZMHnHTBPImJ/Vl0d/YMgkN+58gSBFHs= Received: by 10.114.196.1 with SMTP id t1mr192600waf.80.1219853116156; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.137.4 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:16 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <0MKwh2-1KYMWb1Pst-0007VF@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487841ED5542@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <0MKwh2-1KYMWb1Pst-0007VF@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a6c31ae-0aa3-40cb-9c82-f22c0a87f392 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48B57B86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Waistcoats come up in ladies' inventories all the time and I've never known quite what to make of it. I gguess I could have asked, but it's the kind of thing that I tend to pass over "for now" and intend to come back to later. And look! It's "later"! Thanks Jill! MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Jill Hadfield wrote: > > According to some books I have, a 'waistcoat' was a coat cut to the waist. > i.e. a short coat (with sleeves) - didn't matter if it was male or female. > Therefore a bodice was a waistcoat (worn with a skirt) as apposed to a > 'gown' which was like a long coat but tended to be worn by married women. > > Jill > > > At 12:57 27/08/2008, you wrote: > >> At a re-enactment event at the weekend, someone mentioned that she had >> heard that women's bodices were called waistcoats in the early 17th century. >> No-one else was aware of this. I'm sure I have seen mention of the >> waistcoat as a woman's garment on this list, but can anyone clarify the >> definition? >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 14:16:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7RIGcnB012647 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:16:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7RIGT34005579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7RIFwmw086487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RIFrBT061549; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7RIFn1s061457 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.haggerty@tiscali.co.uk) X-Trace: 67634144/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.107.135.124 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.107.135.124 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: m.haggerty@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEANA1tUhYa4d8/2dsb2JhbACDRziFRbEJgWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,280,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="67634144" Received: from 88-107-135-124.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mediabox) ([88.107.135.124]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2008 19:15:48 +0100 From: "Margaret Haggerty" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c90870$f54096e0$4001a8c0@mediabox> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487841ED5542@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Thread-Index: AckIPAQ3bFdqq3iqTLu0BtY3wIRbqgANFKIg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d768609b-0c39-4e20-85e6-b71268a467b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48B599FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Most of the following info is from Jane Huggett's Clothes of the Common Woman 1580-1660. The modern word bodice derives from the period term bodies, or pair of bodies (pair meaning something made in more than one part). It therefore more correctly refers to stays or corset. A waistcoat worn with a petticoat was the normal everyday wear of ordinary women throughout the period. Writing in 1688 Randle Holmes described a waistcoat as "an habit or garment generally worn by the middle and lower sort of woman, having gored skirts and some wear them with stomachers" (quoted in Waugh. Hope that helps Mags -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: 27 August 2008 12:57 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent. At a re-enactment event at the weekend, someone mentioned that she had heard that women's bodices were called waistcoats in the early 17th century. No-one else was aware of this. I'm sure I have seen mention of the waistcoat as a woman's garment on this list, but can anyone clarify the definition? Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 25/08/2008 07:05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 23:54:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7T3s648016573 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:54:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7T3s0eq004385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7T3rYw6027814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7T3rURo028075; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7T3rQNT027997 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7T3rJiL024345 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:53:20 GMT Message-ID: <001701c9098a$c770b900$ca60da46@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:53:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woman's waistcoat 17th cent X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f18ec71c-766c-4b3a-84fb-548edbcfdd9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48B772D8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:54:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is from "Costume in England: A History of Dress" by F W Fairholt, published in 1846. Strutt died in 1802. Waistcoat - A term originally used, as at present, for an under-garment or coat reaching only to the waist. "It ultimately," says Strutt, "superseded the doublet, but not until such time as the latter appellation was totally dropped." In the seventeenth century it regained its original position and meaning. It's not much help. Randle Holme was active 1683-1700, so he is a much better source. I *think* the word bodice as we use it is late Victorian. It was defined as "a sort of stays" in "A Critical Pronouncing Dictionary", 1837 and in "Costume in England", 1846 (boddice). Webster's Dictionary defines it as "Stays; a corset." in 1867. In 1884 the "National Standard Encyclopedia" defines it as "A waistcoat quilted with whalebone, worn by women; stays; a corset." Was that part of the question? 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This is a dry site, so please save your alcohol for the potluck to follow. The potluck will be that the Jacobs' house, 8862 Carson St., after the ceremony. You can drop off your dishes at the house before the ceremony, if you wish to. Bring a dish to share, and serving pieces. We will provide non-alcoholic drinks (and some White Russians, in memory of Christal), and we will wake her properly. BYOB * Ever, Regina Voorhes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 02:03:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7V63sBU014415 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:03:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7V63m4Z019494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:03:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7V63OZF007520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7V63KRe018997; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7V63GMq018973 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8u111a00R0QkzPwA4u3Gqg; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8u3B1a009047Ly08Nu3F7W; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=w5s3HDvsNw_vrC314K8A:9 a=G37iT4M3I3uZ-MJt_NyY-CmkVTIA:4 a=jBy-EokOv1YA:10 a=IUzPt6LzH6MA:10 a=Uv2SJYT436YA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=3nkDEoC3ooBbVBqfG6wA:9 a=u3TBQILB55mbGX7K6vcA:7 a=3KPNUsqXlQu7tiXFb3Sgu9StPFQA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: <5EB2590F-FD4F-4637-9E5D-5363945F807A@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:03:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Some new repro fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3e14fe5-222a-471a-8d4d-02d9675466d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48BA3444.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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