From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 00:39:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m914dIYx003373 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:39:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m914d1Tx001636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m914cOD0019874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m914cJQQ015668; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f14.google.com (mail-gx0-f14.google.com [209.85.217.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m914cHb4015620 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so12453370gxk.23 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oUt0+OenBbv640RuVLmYdq80ia3LVnA0i4EN/tTe4PA=; b=R6XXX0ZpOTPW3nTpDSr2UGyLNdC2m4CJL4v7pLRjGYZ1lJ4f4K4FueX8K17fbJmD+j +ryR3Pcb/hRTdxxkSI9jI27wUagGkbEnKAM+Zjqnbs2od9CvLvWZnOX5+Upc8Hgd6eCw vH6695X+j/+AuOpr0x7vT2iwitDTiLXFqILv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sFtYYz0cAw4XQXTW2iHeZH7Bbia/HmAbXK07Upmawj44tBYoAS2azZcjSHBJcxOZYc xPjX4i8foOatRZRo2H68vLUkUmdLR/ZvAXwFlPKWHBRR5a5BD+cngkvLmHvYw1bBvOAJ XEM3Athp63u3aVwIDF2jfbSLFrtl2MnR38usY= Received: by 10.90.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr8473461agb.0.1222835891755; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.92.18 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:38:11 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <16a2233a0809301155h61616407jadc13b16f5ad1251@mail.gmail.com> <055401c92331$d2b189f0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> <200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11538182-4381-4428-8227-596f1f114f2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E2FEE5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Which one were you thinking of? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 09:48:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91DmcWc002401 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91DmQu3026644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:48:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91Dm6wj060908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Dm4qG079129; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marmoset.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Dm2ER079016 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween thread-index: Ackjf7Pr1iYVIHOdSGO979jDL4BIygATC3hQ References: <16a2233a0809301155h61616407jadc13b16f5ad1251@mail.gmail.com><055401c92331$d2b189f0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db><200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c731a6f-619a-4a57-a13e-f745fb192fa5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E37FAA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:48:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Probably the movie "Gypsy" with Rosalind Russell as the stage mother and Natalie Wood as Gypsy. ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Exhibitions and Collections Manager Museum of Art, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 Academic Way Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey > Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:38 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween > > > Gypsy Rose Lee > > I couldn't find a movie with that title. I can find a few she > played in and a few about her life. Which one were you thinking of? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 10:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91E1k5B003346 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:01:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91E1a5j032143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:01:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91E0RMx062520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91E0QJs089909; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp5.america.net (qsmtp5.america.net [69.60.160.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91E0NH9089847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200810011400.m91E0NH9089847@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.227] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp5.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl2Fb-0002ni-5K for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:00:23 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:59:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.co m> References: <16a2233a0809301155h61616407jadc13b16f5ad1251@mail.gmail.com> <055401c92331$d2b189f0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> <200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 502f8aaa-9223-45b6-ad6f-005570542058 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E382C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:01:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:38 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote: > > Gypsy Rose Lee > >I couldn't find a movie with that title. I can find a few she played >in and a few about her life. Which one were you thinking of? Sorry, the movie is "Gypsy." Bette Midler played the mom in the 1993 version, and they just re-did it on Broadway with Bernadette Peters. The movie is really more about the really driven mom than the daughter. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 11:27:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91FRxYl006221 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91FRrDo001495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:27:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91FRXBY071177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91FRT1L076397; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91FRQcs076294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:29:06 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:29:04 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: Acki9+DEl9v5jzkLTtG4MZb02UjI9gA4osFA Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289ACCB05@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <1222776882.48e218324e929@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af99c509-fdff-4dda-962a-e4f5b840efab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E396F9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Laurie _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 11:38:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91FcHLk006567 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91Fc0UX009337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91FbUj5072290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91FbUAF087684; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91FbR6n087599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:39:08 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:39:06 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] what is your dressform wearing? Thread-Index: AckjKRhfETB2prOCRAmN+/kDIKI2mwAsoWxQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289ACCB1D@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <648239.37457.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <648239.37457.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your dressform wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5683433-1ee8-417c-ab58-1e9768ac4d8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E39958.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:38:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One of the major pattern companies had a soft armor pattern a few (well, quite a few. My son is 20) years ago. It worked quite well. -----Original Message----- In the near future I plan to make soft sculpture armor for my daughter who said she wanted to be a knight for Halloween. (Take that Disney Princesses.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 12:19:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91GJ26T008054 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:19:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91GItRE007844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91GIbLN076823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:18:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91GIavj033471; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91GIX8t033396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:20:14 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:20:10 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween Thread-Index: Ackjf90Byhuj30hCSdKf5wKEYmfVSAAYbDaw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289ACCB65@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <16a2233a0809301155h61616407jadc13b16f5ad1251@mail.gmail.com> <055401c92331$d2b189f0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> <200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43164a76-fe58-4253-8150-19741659ae4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E3A2EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:19:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween > Gypsy Rose Lee I couldn't find a movie with that title. I can find a few she played in and a few about her life. Which one were you thinking of? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 14:22:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91IMmEj012963 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:22:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91IMdRH002742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91IM4FG089727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91IM3fH072113; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91IM06s071963 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY114-W17 ([65.54.169.117]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.121] From: Maureen Campbell To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:21:54 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2008 18:21:55.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[959B98F0:01C923F2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] OT: weird sewing machine problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc664ee2-01cb-4681-a795-0d841034bcec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E3BFEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The needle bar (the doohickey that holds the needle) fell off my sewing machine and I don't know how the heck to reattach it. The manual doesn't address this problem. Tightening the needle clamp only holds the needle in; the whole bar slides off regardless and there doesn't seem to be a way to stick it back on. The thread hook (the bent wire that holds the thread close to the needle) also popped out and won't stay when I try to put it back. Does anyone have any ideas about how to fix this thing, or is it time to take it to the sewing machine doctor? Thanks very much. yours, Maureen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 14:38:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91IcjOs013681 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:38:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91IcX5p005135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:38:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91IcA60091858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Ic8lV090211; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Ic44N090064 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AC513E4D3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48E3D179.5050808@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:37:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: weird sewing machine problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1256311-3dfd-4e23-8727-1d8c89255d72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E3C3A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:38:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maureen Campbell wrote: > Does anyone have any > ideas about how to fix this thing, or is it time to take it to the > sewing machine doctor? Thanks very much. It sounds like you have a screw loose or lost. Those parts are not normally detachable, or user-maintained. You'd probably have to take the case apart, which could void a warranty if it is a new machine. So, yes, time to see a repairman. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 14:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91IoKeo014535 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:50:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91Io89V003236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91Iihkc092529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91IihAU097452; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91IidI9097293 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY114-W8 ([65.54.169.108]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.121] From: Maureen Campbell To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:44:33 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48E3D179.5050808@reddawn.net> References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> <48E3D179.5050808@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2008 18:44:34.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF4DDAC0:01C923F5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: weird sewing machine problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab1fc5e4-da5b-4a37-9b53-6aac3e447bbf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E3C660.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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M. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 15:54:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91Jsbpb016676 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:54:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91JsVIu008199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:54:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91Js4G7099571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Js1d0075118; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91JrloZ074475 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4E7E8EB00DE; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:52:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <16a2233a0809301155h61616407jadc13b16f5ad1251@mail.gmail.com><055401c92331$d2b189f0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db><200810010214.m912ETU1027456@net.indra.com> <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:52:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ackjf5mBg8Q1pVRPTOaD21/f/wzCdwAf3x3g In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0809302138l47e43fdcra29698b7c80d7aab@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a50d3ccd-3538-4917-ab3b-5f5102c2666a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E3D577.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:54:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 1962 "Gypsy", the musical about how she became the burlesque star. Great performance by Rosalind Russell, playing her mom. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween > Gypsy Rose Lee I couldn't find a movie with that title. I can find a few she played in and a few about her life. Which one were you thinking of? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 16:19:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91KJuWA017526 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:19:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91KJoEw029486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91KJONJ001817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91KJOxW001665; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91KJL0X001537 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from needlethread96@aol.co.uk) Received: from needlethread96@aol.co.uk by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c3b.461e7b21 (34899) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA018-885348e3db3b2dc; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:19:07 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MC06 (webmail-mc06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.83]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA031-5c5348e3db313c6; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:18:57 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:18:57 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 77.86.15.184 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: needlethread96@aol.co.uk X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 77.86.15.184 by WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF21A11709EB8-194C-2B@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8b91cef-21bb-49f4-bf8e-5d1feeee9bdc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E3DB66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi! My is wearing the legs of Laughing Moon's Victorian drawers, draped over her shoulders! All the best! Jayne -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:09 Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, theater season, company dinners, Diskens Fair, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something marvelous on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your design sketchbook, worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 17:00:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91L0DCe018969 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:00:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91L05EB020430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:00:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91Kxcev005750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Kxa57042443; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m91KxWwD042228 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 43089 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 20:59:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VdQ/2yTeihXW5u22UATImsVR+AXAsLOAkkrEtGAhy2z+6INdMaP4P0J/GzRDriefsr7B8aYegqKgywjcF3rnyIoZ00gWRAumW+kL1/yafUgqjsXOhNMNJmvfErdDJ2irzeWDbw9d8EB1RxtFWLhT1j8Z/bFIen8iIkG2fXlhzXE=; X-YMail-OSG: H_0joP8VM1k8Fnkv0EybptRm41Xm5K7kcf4fblJvWGHefYVigi7Hyag6PaX0AM3CNTsej4OPbHJbX86JiyEqUiw1by0nj2FJ1gNrwKjSy8u0G7ENUHsU07PBPW9_1KpL.uoa99pOv6x0EyfAV0jbPUkAzKeD Received: from [68.77.186.240] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:59:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <599724.43011.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Belated greetings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32d87a7a-34be-4564-94bb-63a246079e7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E3E4D5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Had a phone conversation with my son, Ansel, recently. He who played Captain Sir Martin Frobisher in previous years at Bristol. Now that Faire is over for the year, he suddenly remembers that somebody from this list recognized him at Bristol this year and said to say HI. Sorry, I never got the message and he doesn't remember who it was. Actually what he said was - "Hey, Mom, meant to tell you. One of your costume buddies said to say Hello". Since he had a part in a show this year and a new street character (Farmer Bernard), he wasn't wearing the Frobie suit this year. Therefore, it had to be somebody who recognized the face not the garb. So, greetings back to whomever. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 17:21:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91LLw6D020502 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:21:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91LLqpk022240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91LLTfZ007564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91LLTn1062769; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91LLQrY062730 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so148864ele.8 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=wq0D6tCZzDYc/1goalwPXpCApZ1qJmjyjecYivR/Kig=; b=xwMPgMYVNKu+dKU00pDmdYtd1Ex8I00WiNInDRsy1XYiLUnnDLLOceiDqCzgpydSgI 64TUO9OmJvrk2+S3Ze7UCkMge53ZcUgEozKMoRe4zzK7JQXnAAAKPbT56Fkj3gm3028q 3E8dOA7dZ4hOOVKFUjtts2b9nGzZHWp+tTQvg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=m51F3FNJE3xxNQ4iji7C84vfU7vHSEZrAOwnq7l6o1JqSowv0MUJqPLYKLn82F/dR7 ltO2SlHgMPxg0dG8ypjZhEFL/UY3/Pg9duMm3z8eS/TGMMbDQC4DxOHJFZbw6zAqhRqx 5vIWsYPeLktwlw3BdlhTqNqKSHh8n5rfn5UHo= Received: by 10.150.140.6 with SMTP id n6mr12766145ybd.161.1222896086399; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.109.10 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:21:26 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] die Nurnbergerin was: what is your dressform wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ae5143b-1be3-4d99-9fd5-b8dcc5bfb124 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E3E9F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:21:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann >My dressform is still wearing Durer's >"Nurnbergerin im Hauskleid". I finished it in >June for my master craftswoman degree in >costuming and still found no place to store the >pleated apron. Too lovely. The headwear turned out wonderfully well. Are you going to tell us how you did it? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 1 18:36:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m91Ma7Ic023917 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91MYgmC025586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m91MXwca013381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91MXt0E026836; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91MXrxA026795 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so316269wra.23 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Gdr1FQVOX1xzTvGp0JqL6nSAU/mSpaSWX0XNwyR/2Ws=; b=xVJThiZbKPqxuEFMGT5Mq16A0TcwVdwzXkvXhIQHoFyVnNMYODxmpFJkLYD90L4zFI XOtMZ4gmOSXt2i/JZaPG3+enSTisW6B3ONQhqADxLC/ao41JIEQTgoXuc+A9B+4v6xnL Uzp2ueVqeActshrQsabPOn82QTANmQA5w3Uo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YbWy9RcgmDS2VLCM3mjjnjYXfgQBAHnOZwER0G4HmspvfVPyVzmQ/sR9NVRoyTnikN PZUiINOcKAftEwfTGOQfVT8rIsReKfepB9pegRebyOEIlqKuwkKWL9L61SC5apSAkkC4 yY5Vm/GHMWHu2rd/hSNTDoKEDzd7mrIup+XgU= Received: by 10.65.158.19 with SMTP id k19mr15088888qbo.94.1222900432242; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.10 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:33:52 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200809301930.m8UJUPar078974@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your dressform wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e946c488-5e54-454b-8fce-123787ecbffc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48E3FB02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:35:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The dress is wonderful, and I'm in awe of the apron and the headdress! Master craftswoman indeed! MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:30 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your dressform wearing? > > > My dressform is still wearing D=FCrer=B4s > "N=FCrnbergerin im Hauskleid". I finished it in > June for my master craftswoman degree in > costuming and still found no place to store the > pleated apron. Here=B4s a picture of the costume > "in action": http://s6.directupload.net/file/d/1464/aob843cf_jpg.htm :-) > > > -- = Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 00:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m924ADYJ006821 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m924A8vC026690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:10:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9249lX1036342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9249jAS047017; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9249f3p046967 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA3C04DF for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:09:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cR7fCa9iKMy1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:09:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-104.48.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.48.104]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B101C04CB for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:09:39 +1000 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:09:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AckkRKrEOt45UFikSa6pthh1s8tjFw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0e5f96e-7745-4944-9635-be4f99025f74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E449A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone, I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK about this time next year and I'm trying to work out what I should visit, I'm spending a week in London with friends and after that point I'm planning to spend another 2 or 3 weeks around the UK & Ireland. the London part of my trip is fairly firmly planned but for the rest of the UK & Ireland I've only got Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton Court definitely on my list so far, so what else would you suggest for a costumer and Tudor history nut? Elizabeth ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 00:41:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m924fFhh008432 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:41:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m924f9LX012250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m924d0oO037947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m924cx5A062088; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m924cu72062012 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=EfUHuFvpv7eybzGZ5vLrIiNIU2Cwy2B6tNHQ/9PdGHorh1lDmtmWaT3WqNDZ3LbK; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=LAPTOP.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KlFxi-0006k2-Qw for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:38:51 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:29:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53eac95fecee41577b6532a4bf7076998399100d2e9c2b262c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1698860e-8957-40ef-8c9b-d6fe124a7b44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E450E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just finished a papier-mache full-head jack-o-lantern mask/headpiece, which got packed for the event tonight. Also just packed is the item containing 7 - 3 foot tall satin stitched appliques, some of which also have fabric painting and other modification. Hubby's worktable just produced a tunic and soft-sculpted palazzo pants, and a whole mess of pumpkin leaves and vines. After this weekend I'll let you in on what it all is and what happened with it. Sandy At 01:09 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: >It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, theater season, >company dinners, Diskens Fair, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th >Night. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical >locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making >something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 04:10:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m928AYN9022898 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:10:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m928ASCA008968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m928A1YF046962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9289wxh088972; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9289t5v088856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-103-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.103.89] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlJFt-00056q-TF for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:09:50 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081002090448.03baf050@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:09:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> References: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cbfb5bd-9dd3-4b47-8909-dce665ba3d02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E481F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:10:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 05:09 02/10/2008, you wrote: >Hello everyone, >I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK about this time >next year and I'm trying to work out what I should visit, I'm spending a >week in London with friends and after that point I'm planning to spend >another 2 or 3 weeks around the UK & Ireland. the London part of my trip is >fairly firmly planned but for the rest of the UK & Ireland I've only got >Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton Court definitely on my >list so far, so what else would you suggest for a costumer and Tudor history >nut? >Elizabeth >------------------------------- >Elizabeth Walpole >Canberra, Australia >http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ > >___ Platt Hall, Manchester has a costume collection, usually on display, but with all collections in the U.K. it is wise to check on opening times - collections are being closed, either permanently or for refurbishment, all the time. Kentwell, in Suffolk, has living history events, Tudor in date in the main, but again, depends on the time of year. Tudor clothing on display in the "provinces" is very rare, and there are not that many other collections - I cannot remember the name of one in Wales, used to be the Snowshill Collection - maybe if you googled "Snowshill" you might find it? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 10:06:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92E6gxY019112 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:06:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92E6b15023590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:06:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92E69tW068611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92E65lF067457; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92E632r067424 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so181091ywe.71 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AgTBM/gi6ySMJMmyOnH9BcGjA6FU9VdaidvW08N/52w=; b=Bb2D3RnDL8s+Se9ogz0wYRE5V68tLsQjMqp16DovavcoeFf86fNiXl5pSJ0gOHpqdX 5Il1v4AMRvlx0lpeu0wZZS/t2LVHR19VT/pPoUwltHJM09cIljQ3ikPYtmuDB68Ssw3S /GHPEPNi5ZTOGVouhmgZBIvAUS9NWBJqst49A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Iqw0X2D4KSxC7XW1/nK3KDOh6sM1XLR3yhNXAjSQHA9pNgU/lBDcLftMaGuUBFeweX hb8JX3mgVQ9g2Gr+XWIUxfvnejxC5UmvR760XcHAsth4yqsQiYaMAABzo3dVeEiScBKB gF7C02ek9lRm40ZxfhQMLWWBaXcOgfDgYwwhk= Received: by 10.90.69.7 with SMTP id r7mr10712346aga.16.1222956362942; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590810020706x47d669e2u18b3b72f60ab8a86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:06:02 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcf26f08-609c-4310-b0e9-a09de286c73b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E4D56D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:06:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not much in the way of costume but with significate connections to the 16th century: Hardwick Hall, Chesterfield, Derbyshire Sulgrave Manor in Northamptonshire Stranger's hall in Norwich I'd also check the National Trust properties, I know there are more. alex On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK about this time > next year and I'm trying to work out what I should visit, I'm spending a > week in London with friends and after that point I'm planning to spend > another 2 or 3 weeks around the UK & Ireland. the London part of my trip is > fairly firmly planned but for the rest of the UK & Ireland I've only got > Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton Court definitely on my > list so far, so what else would you suggest for a costumer and Tudor history > nut? > Elizabeth > ------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra, Australia > http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 14:27:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92IRKLN026906 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:27:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92IREEk031049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:27:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92IQlTK098493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92IQh26053681; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92IQdNZ053553 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.240]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081002182634.ZKVP23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:26:34 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.240]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081002182633.EIVT3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:26:33 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:26:28 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081002182633.EIVT3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RLeozJu8hi8A:10 a=67QYG1BmHEhArAqEfQcEzw==:17 a=vqi50Z4ZX7i7J1nQZQMA:9 a=tHzhtw8BfveI68XJJK8A:7 a=bqnNPm-4Q_CghwvmeFDGkgKVGigA:4 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7c7e2af-cf97-4795-8593-c7665662104d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E51282.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:27:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just returned form Ireland. Museum of Ireland - Archaeology (Kildare St, Dublin) has the Shinrone gown and men's clothing from bogs on display in a room off the 1st floor. late 16th/ early 17th C. also some things in the medieval section on the 2nd floor. Museum of Ireland- Decorative Arts (Collins Barracks, Dublin) has a display of 20th C clothing and some 19th C things in the general collection. The office of the textile conservator for the system is also located here. Museum of Country Life has some early 20th C things on display including Traditional/Folk clothing from the Aran Islands and a nice display of sweaters. Bunratty Castle has some early 16th portraits. Please be aware that photography is generally forbidden in Irish Museums. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:09:29 +1000 >From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > >Hello everyone, >I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK about this time >next year and I'm trying to work out what I should visit, I'm spending a >week in London with friends and after that point I'm planning to spend >another 2 or 3 weeks around the UK & Ireland. the London part of my trip is >fairly firmly planned but for the rest of the UK & Ireland I've only got >Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton Court definitely on my >list so far, so what else would you suggest for a costumer and Tudor history >nut? >Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 16:32:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92KWaH0030925 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92KWV58023488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92KVoTr010099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92KVm5W092198; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92KVkW2092074 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W39 ([65.55.138.74]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:31:41 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 20:31:41.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CEE1C0:01C924CD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4d0eb78-0079-46ee-b61e-e8cd7e734986 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E52FDF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a "sort" of accurate gown - This is an example of what she is looking for: http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-versailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a medical condition. I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show her. So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper undergarments: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 16:45:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92Kjblk031573 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:45:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92KjVnO000680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92KjE0B011157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92KjE3E006343; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92KiUZ4005586 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MpsH1a05F0QuhwU53wlBRy; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:45:11 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter19.comcast.net ([204.127.197.129]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MwlA1a0012nzewC3NwlAXz; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:45:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BLgGtrL0m5MA:10 a=OAxjXgX1Z3sA:10 a=-y7UGRklAAAA:8 a=vaTktAP3AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=6pelljzv8LbU5jmIAY0A:9 a=akSXf0yETSw61-Ptkw1pXAM62gUA:4 a=wgmSTir9d3wA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=f-ADshzQSboA:10 a=QHmvgzRY3xfWQS3ikk0A:9 a=5hg5Q8o4G0fcOlT1y-JENhLasKQA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter19.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:45:08 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:45:08 +0000 Message-Id: <100220082045.3146.48E532D40009285200000C4A22069984999D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69b029aa-7ea9-4c0e-af75-b82be9befc9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E532EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:45:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO sorry to be dense, but are you looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea, or pictures to work from to try to accede to her request? You might get by with partially boning the bodice of the dress itself or something. Darn -- Moresca.com has taken its site down for repairs; I remember them as having pictures of women both in and out of corsetry in both large and small bodies. Good luck! Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Saragrace Knauf > > > > Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a > "sort" of accurate gown - > This is an example of what she is looking for: > http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-vers > ailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm > > Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a > medical condition. > I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right > undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show her. > > So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper > undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - > > I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper > undergarments: > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm > > Thanks, > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 16:55:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92KstsL032173 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:54:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92KrPm4005183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:54:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92KloDq011438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92KloDu009000; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92Kljvm008820 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBB113E705 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:47:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48E5415F.1050007@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:47:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ee88788-91e3-44ee-a448-5b68de0c6e79 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48E534C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 17:36:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92LafHI000881 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92LaZDP001250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92LZsGY015442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92LZpFp056070; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92LZm5Z055951 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W33 ([65.55.138.68]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:35:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:35:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <100220082045.3146.48E532D40009285200000C4A22069984999D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> References: <100220082045.3146.48E532D40009285200000C4A22069984999D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 21:35:43.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2968190:01C924D6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4799c6ec-9221-4879-aab1-f0e9bab774be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E53EE3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea. I would really like to distance myself from doing anything that is that grossly wrong - but she seems interested in learning how to sew --- so I don't want to dissuade her. I should have said also, that I understand someone not posting a link publicly...if you have something you would like to share, feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks, Saragrace > From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:45:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... > > sorry to be dense, but are you looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea, or pictures to work from to try to accede to her request? > > You might get by with partially boning the bodice of the dress itself or something. > Darn -- Moresca.com has taken its site down for repairs; I remember them as having pictures of women both in and out of corsetry in both large and small bodies. > > Good luck! > Lauren > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Saragrace Knauf > > > > > > > > > Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a > > "sort" of accurate gown - > > This is an example of what she is looking for: > > http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-vers > > ailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm > > > > Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a > > medical condition. > > I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right > > undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show her. > > > > So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper > > undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - > > > > I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper > > undergarments: > > > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 17:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92LoK8K001433 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:50:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92LoFcc008141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92LnrWW016340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92LnrZ5069038; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92LnnLR068967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m92LnjZl018744 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:49:48 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49302.72.13.239.193.1222984188.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18thC baggy, was Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f99e178-007e-4f7a-9d97-87cd456a3ed5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E54217.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That black gown is cool looking - too bad they mucked it up with the back lacing! A stomacher front like that means the fit is adjustable where the stomacher is pinned to the gown, thus no need to have it lace like that. Anyway, sorry to be Devil's advocate; I know some people claim a medical problem when they just don't want to wear a certain thing, and it's not up to someone else to insist they can. But what about people who can't take the pressure of stays / corset? What are they to do? While stays help the overall posture, there are some loose 18thC styles. They tend to show up in the 1720 to 1750 time frame, so it depends on if this fits the lady's purpose. A bedgown is a casual sort of garment that would work. http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/18thcent/lacroix/fig206.jpg There is also a more voluminous wrapper sort of gown, robe volante or robe battante, I think. It's an undress (casual) sort of thing, not for a ball, but out of a nice fabric can look good. http://cgfa.floridaimaging.com/chardin/p-chardin8.htm http://marquise.de/en/1700/glossar/volante.gif http://marquise.de/en/1700/womenguide/g18_2.jpg http://marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1727_1.shtml http://marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1723_1.shtml A feature of fashionable 18thC wear is that the neckline is low and the bust is high, so both converge at the point of the bust (which has been raised by stays). Is there anything she can wear to get that lift? Otherwise the loose wrapper may be the way to go, with a good hairstyle, jewelry, and absolutely fabulous shoes. Correct baggy is much better than high fashion that has not been neatly fitted. -Carol > Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make > her a "sort" of accurate gown - > This is an example of what she is looking for: > http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-versailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm > > Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to > a medical condition. > I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the > right undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show > her. > > So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper > undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - > > I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper > undergarments: > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm > > Thanks, > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:13:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92MDGPn002089 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:13:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MDBfN020145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:13:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MCrjE018145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MCrSh090193; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MCnP5089998 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=SwaP8KEwwSj5wJtqT7kAk1n7+WPaYpWEmGyQ3Ru/yc/iKaHUZ8uEAnX53Hk5mqj9; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.46] (helo=elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KlWPc-0000Km-47 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:12:44 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:12:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c81d7b4a68bf25b681d284845e5085b7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c68b893d-e962-4b6d-9e4c-7a41f6acd0bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E54777.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO wrote: >Anyway, sorry to be Devil's advocate; I know some people claim a >medical problem when they just don't want to wear a certain thing, >and it's not up to someone else to insist they can. But what about >people who can't take the pressure of stays / corset? What are they >to do? Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without corsetry. Offhand, I can think of two issues where any kind of corsetry or stiffening can be a problem. One is for people in wheelchairs: if they are to wear a corset at all, it must need to be designed for sitting rather than standing, and I can imagine that for someone whow has limited mobility anyway, not being able to bend freely at the waist could make some necessary movements very difficult. I also have a friend who finds that a normal 16th-century corset and fitted gown cause too much of the weight of the skirt to be carried by her hips and lower back, which she finds very painful. She does much better with something where most of the weight of the dress hangs from the shoulders (loose gowns, for instance, although she can also wear a fitted gown with a few bones but not a full corset). In her case, the medical problem is nerve damage. Others? ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:27:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92MR5MO002543 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:27:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MR0B9004749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:27:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MQUBR019055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MQUoR001373; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MQRQw001261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-103-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.103.89] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlWcn-0006ll-H4 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:26:21 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081002232415.03ba5940@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:26:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30bcaf87-e0da-497b-829e-83dd7f672622 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E54AB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 23:12 02/10/2008, you wrote: > wrote: > >Anyway, sorry to be Devil's advocate; I know some people claim a > >medical problem when they just don't want to wear a certain thing, > >and it's not up to someone else to insist they can. But what about > >people who can't take the pressure of stays / corset? What are they > >to do? > >Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people >encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm >sure it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of >what really are the issues that cause problems might help >dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful >persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best >they can to make a nice looking garment without corsetry. > >Offhand, I can think of two issues where any kind of corsetry or >stiffening can be a problem. One is for people in wheelchairs: if >they are to wear a corset at all, it must need to be designed for >sitting rather than standing, and I can imagine that for someone >whow has limited mobility anyway, not being able to bend freely at >the waist could make some necessary movements very difficult. > >I also have a friend who finds that a normal 16th-century corset and >fitted gown cause too much of the weight of the skirt to be carried >by her hips and lower back, which she finds very painful. She does >much better with something where most of the weight of the dress >hangs from the shoulders (loose gowns, for instance, although she >can also wear a fitted gown with a few bones but not a full corset). >In her case, the medical problem is nerve damage. > >Others? My friend had an operation for lung cancer, which meant access from her back through the ribs, and cannot bear to be restricted. Possibly people who have had similar operations, maybe for breast cancer or similar? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:33:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92MXFGR002693 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MX9uV007355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MWvTL019491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MWvAB006439; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MWq4L006379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m92MWnYE028916 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:32:52 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.n et> References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd365aa2-c0ec-4af5-b9e1-61073f6cd02a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E54C25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:33:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris wrote: > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered > that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen > -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues > that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt > to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, > or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without > corsetry. While I haven't encountered it in making something, I have heard of problems with fibromyalgia (if I spelled that right!) and similar pain problems. Torso surgery or injury that, even after healing, can leave a person with sensitive areas. And, of course, people who wish to participate in events while in the healing process. There were things in various eras for people to wear while injured, aged, working, or any other reason where a restrictive high-fashion would not do. What are the acceptable compromises as far as who the person wants to portray? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92MY9BE002724 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:34:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MY4HD029967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:34:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MXiVj019592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MXiqb007096; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MXWps006905 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1801980595 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <031c01c924de$e5066130$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:33:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6e76dc2-b550-4a55-9737-05691dd8ac22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E54C5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:34:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered > that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does > happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the > issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) > attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of > work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment > without corsetry. > > the first thing I thought of was a mastectomy. might be painful, and could be a problem aesthetically with some designs, depending on how low cut the garments are. . . denise, with an unreliable shift key _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:40:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92Mehuf003046 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:40:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MecFV031921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:40:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MeDGv020084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MeBMo012243; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92Me02R011960 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web06-z02 ([10.127.132.157]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081002223955.FYKX7810.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web06-z02> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1085354.273761222987195443.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:39:55 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 65.185.74.231 by webmail.neo.rr.com; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:39:55 +0000 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a76c8893-f282-4999-a9d5-435902f30828 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E54DE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can no longer wear my beloved Italian gowns because I simply can't bear the constriction of a corset. I have nerve damage due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Just wearing a bra is torturous for me. :-( I'd give a lot to be able to wear my gowns again. Kate > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without corsetry. > > Offhand, I can think of two issues where any kind of corsetry or stiffening can be a problem. One is for people in wheelchairs: if they are to wear a corset at all, it must need to be designed for sitting rather than standing, and I can imagine that for someone whow has limited mobility anyway, not being able to bend freely at the waist could make some necessary movements very difficult. > > I also have a friend who finds that a normal 16th-century corset and fitted gown cause too much of the weight of the skirt to be carried by her hips and lower back, which she finds very painful. She does much better with something where most of the weight of the dress hangs from the shoulders (loose gowns, for instance, although she can also wear a fitted gown with a few bones but not a full corset). In her case, the medical problem is nerve damage. > > Others? > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:47:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92Mluow003442 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:47:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MlpiP003741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MlaCJ020518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MladO017960; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MlXPM017911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1KlX0Q-0004c4-41 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:50:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:50:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35eee8ae-297c-4c76-a139-112ab055c999 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E54F97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:47:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Chris Laning wrote: > wrote: >> Anyway, sorry to be Devil's advocate; I know some people claim a >> medical problem when they just don't want to wear a certain thing, >> and it's not up to someone else to insist they can. But what about >> people who can't take the pressure of stays / corset? What are they >> to do? > > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people > encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure > it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what > really are the issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide > whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise > some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice > looking garment without corsetry. > Fibromyalgia means that even the lightest pressure on soft tissue, especially over a bone, can be incredibly painful. I haven't tried wearing a properly fitted corset since my diagnosis, but I could see where a 16th c. gown with all the trimmings would be painful. To give you an idea, my 7-lb cat is only *barely* light enough to stand on my lap without causing me pain, and I have a very mild manifestation of the syndrome. Other possibilities for conditions that might preclude a corset are multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease, diabetes, sciatica, any of the degenerative nerve or musculoskeletal conditions. Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 18:57:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92Mv0LW003903 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:57:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92MutIP007681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:56:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92MuaEv021110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MuaE8024804; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92MuWvJ024704 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MpMl1a03L0SCNGk51ywTdF; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:56:27 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MywS1a0033Nwo3Q3VywSF3; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:56:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vg4Rn4msysEA:10 a=4PB_wr4T278A:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=_4DRVLNE_IvwWZKs6DAA:9 a=GwfZZ94EiwB1EoC0CIaFCewNF5kA:4 a=ESEIaOzqGKcA:10 a=BFHxX4EbkxIcoX9akS8A:9 a=StjKrNth92atM9ChL-d_80gXC9IA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:56:26 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:56:26 +0000 Message-Id: <100220082256.7202.48E5519A0000F2DC00001C2222073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a4150cb-3868-48d2-abda-c9934599ea45 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E551B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:56:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, Kate, I am so sorry! Your situation, though, also leads to another question for me: If Saragrace's client cannot wear a corset for any of these reasons, how uncomfortable is she going to be in the gown she's chosen without one? For me, the corsetry is helpful in *supporting* that kind of skirtage; without it, you've got a ton of skirt pulling on you. My main corset problems are asthma/allergies and fat. On a bad day -- humid, smoky, moldy, polleny -- it can just be one thing too many to fight against the stays to breathe. The better the stays fit the less of a problem it is. Saragrace -- I assume you have the whole, "stays are not that uncomfortable, and before the 19th century tight-lacing was not the point" song and dance by heart? I know some large women who surprise themselves by *liking* stays. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ailith > I can no longer wear my beloved Italian gowns because I simply can't bear the > constriction of a corset. I have nerve damage due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. > Just wearing a bra is torturous for me. :-( I'd give a lot to be able to wear > my gowns again. > > Kate > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 19:01:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92N1pYI004272 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:01:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92N1kW6013631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:01:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92N1YGj021420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92N1Yss028514; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92N1VLe028393 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W34 ([65.55.138.69]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:25 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <100220082256.7202.48E5519A0000F2DC00001C2222073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> References: <100220082256.7202.48E5519A0000F2DC00001C2222073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 23:01:25.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBEC9C60:01C924E2] X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2343e7ee-e417-43b6-9081-96d654a170c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E552DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:01:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, I have explained that to to her. I have suggested just a firm under bodice (ala' Elenora of Toledo). We will see where that goes. She has a gastritis problem that plagues her... I really appreciate all the folks who have explained some of their issues. It really "kicks me in the hiney, to remember that there are lots of legitimate reasons for wanting to "dress up" with some limitations... Sg > From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:56:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) > > Oh, Kate, I am so sorry! > Your situation, though, also leads to another question for me: If Saragrace's client cannot wear a corset for any of these reasons, how uncomfortable is she going to be in the gown she's chosen without one? For me, the corsetry is helpful in *supporting* that kind of skirtage; without it, you've got a ton of skirt pulling on you. > My main corset problems are asthma/allergies and fat. On a bad day -- humid, smoky, moldy, polleny -- it can just be one thing too many to fight against the stays to breathe. The better the stays fit the less of a problem it is. > Saragrace -- I assume you have the whole, "stays are not that uncomfortable, and before the 19th century tight-lacing was not the point" song and dance by heart? I know some large women who surprise themselves by *liking* stays. > Lauren > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Ailith > > > I can no longer wear my beloved Italian gowns because I simply can't bear the > > constriction of a corset. I have nerve damage due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. > > Just wearing a bra is torturous for me. :-( I'd give a lot to be able to wear > > my gowns again. > > > > Kate > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 19:03:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m92N3XCX004438 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:03:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m92N3SGR014565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:03:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m92N3Ipd021571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92N3ICQ029854; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92N3FXa029810 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=m5bmiqO8V13/CT5tXxBqAS2jwHqgtlhnmYv3navlJeTqdHugkxt6lE3z9gPZ0uL/; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.252.54] (helo=Boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KlXCV-0001YJ-2S for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:03:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c772cb67f13cd0065931bdaa79e548d93ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.252.54 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90bb209f-fedf-487b-86d5-f3f879dce2d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E55340.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:03:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > While I haven't encountered it in making something, I have heard of > problems with fibromyalgia (if I spelled that right!) and similar > pain problems. Torso surgery or injury that, even after healing, can > leave a person with sensitive areas. And, of course, people who wish > to participate in events while in the healing process. I have fibromyalgia and arthritis, and I find that my properly fitted corsets are MUCH more comfortable that any bra. I do have days that there's too much pain to wear anything fitted, but on those days I'm usually in bed with a lot of pain medication, not trying to do anything. The trick for me is that the corset has to be short enough, and snug without being overly tight. If it's too loose, then it rubs against me and causes pain, and also allows my ribs to pop out of joint. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 20:34:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m930YMNp006940 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:34:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m930YGmu016883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m930XutD028929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m930Xt02096586; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m930XqX9096507 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081003003343.DHFF3732.mta11.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:33:43 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081003003342.QMUK3522.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:33:42 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:33:40 -0500 Message-ID: <68B5FD5D2E8144EDA83012D7D8091037@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ackk7656c9nEzg7gTZG2cDHCzqzATQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool football helmet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12c75db0-ae42-4899-8a55-ac29892493c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E56888.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:34:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm starting to run out of ideas, so I'm asking here.... My 3-year-old wants to be a "football guy" for Halloween. We have a jersey, I can rig up pants no problem. However, I'm stumped on the helmet. No one seems to make toddler size play football helmets! The closest I can come up with is a $45 complete football uniform which includes the helmet from the NFL shop online. Does anyone have any ideas? Somewhere else to look? (I've tried sports stores, athletic apparel, only the full sets, if anything, especially for this age). Some way to rig something up? Although, once it is made, it may need to take a beating during Sunday afternoon football games :) Thanks! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 20:36:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m930a36Y007030 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:36:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m930ZwXi019279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m930Zhl9029095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m930ZhZg097687; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m930ZfmL097667 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1329856rvb.11 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=U8eFjEvbi3O2AFyLfZE9oPu9WGSMjQpwINrHkgyO9ew=; b=Y7e8pta81oJNaDs5cG2LJfQjd9hyhgnEVCT7f2RZs0W2mQN4kzUL4JFbEzlseWZR8E kwMuP3YSBsGWba9ioSPfG8PUAJEW+LtImHwcGXjU2Hk8BA1+Z2FNOH008DDBbTHzseSl 2IXWa5abT9KN91FLMH6oTcecM38jIRJ+is3Io= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kvQk0DHy9CGJ6wqhaqzO1zCX5QnfFbaOIGW5Kp9ECqjzAUPzEloUXxy+RNzDSpPFdz rhS3HrIxynlEu1SFvczcObGeHuJuVXtUb5MpiB/+7N2ncCVquCxp8ZHgtxeSm3GzS7YS 7eD9QB246+XYBXy2EoLzpl07UOdMFeLEASSJ0= Received: by 10.115.18.3 with SMTP id v3mr361374wai.218.1222994141508; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.15.1 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0810021735u402bfd32hf8fb0d77a81185a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:35:41 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d0c0ef5-6ad3-4373-9ab1-178eab061e9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E568EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:36:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace, i don't know how long she would be wearing the gown. i'm overweight and I know that without a corset, women with any flab just look worse than bad. Perhaps having very heavy interfacing and boning in the gown or, as you said, a firm underbodice (with some boning if at all possible) will help keep the beautiful, smooth line that is one of the most attractive things about the style your friend has chosen. If she'll be standing most of the time, the front could be strengthened with plastic canvas. That would bend, not push too hard yet smooth the front of the bodice nicely. Of course, if she'll be in it for long or if it's very warm in your area, the plastic canvas won't work at all. (I use it for making pill-box hats. Padded and covered with nice fabric, you'd never know what's inside - and they're practically indestructible!) Best wishes, LynnD On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > While I haven't encountered it in making something, I have heard of >> problems with fibromyalgia (if I spelled that right!) and similar >> pain problems. Torso surgery or injury that, even after healing, can >> leave a person with sensitive areas. And, of course, people who wish >> to participate in events while in the healing process. >> > > > > I have fibromyalgia and arthritis, and I find that my properly fitted > corsets are MUCH more comfortable that any bra. I do have days that there's > too much pain to wear anything fitted, but on those days I'm usually in bed > with a lot of pain medication, not trying to do anything. > > The trick for me is that the corset has to be short enough, and snug > without being overly tight. If it's too loose, then it rubs against me and > causes pain, and also allows my ribs to pop out of joint. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 21:05:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93157xH007943 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:05:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m931510R031035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9314cRu030629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9314aBs016143; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9314WSx016048 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A359B13E7BD for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:04:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48E57D8D.3020005@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:03:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <68B5FD5D2E8144EDA83012D7D8091037@OurComputer> In-Reply-To: <68B5FD5D2E8144EDA83012D7D8091037@OurComputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool football helmet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20f0a18c-0473-4ba2-8ceb-43371ada8c6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E56FBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > No one > seems to make toddler size play football helmets! The closest I can come up > with is a $45 complete football uniform which includes the helmet from the > NFL shop online. > > Does anyone have any ideas? How about a youth size mouthguard, those are pretty cheap, and some face paint rubbed under the eyes? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 21:12:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m931CLos008440 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:12:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m931CBcD001526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:12:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m931BxIC031122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m931BxGh020720; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m931BtBv020656 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.197]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m931BoxS027238 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:11:50 -0700 References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9796d3a-b9c9-4df9-97a7-b37d205a3b7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E5716B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > I have fibromyalgia and arthritis, and I find that my properly > fitted corsets are MUCH more comfortable that any bra. I do have > days that there's too much pain to wear anything fitted, but on > those days I'm usually in bed with a lot of pain medication, not > trying to do anything. I think you've hit the nail on the head here. If the corset doesn't fit, it's going to be uncomfortable. On top of that, there are many different styles of corsets and bodices. Someone who would find a wasp-waisted Victorian or Edwardian corset (which, face it, is what inexperienced folks think every corset is) very uncomfortable may be perfectly happy in a simpler Renaissance style. The Elizabethan corset is a perfect example. It doesn't cinch down the waist much, it just produces a very flat front and the illusion of a smaller waist. For larger women it often includes a little interior support pillow for the breasts to rest upon, reducing the need for compression to provide support. It doesn't have to be really tight to do its job. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 2 21:20:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m931KleF008786 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:20:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m931Ke2L004712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:20:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m931KT29031621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m931KTs5025791; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m931KPLk025643 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081003012020.ENCT3732.mta11.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:20:20 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081003012020.SOGY3522.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:20:20 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4F65141CED8349D4AA0E6E8C04E6F939@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AckkRKrEOt45UFikSa6pthh1s8tjFwAsX5cg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20081002040939.5B101C04CB@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65de5de4-369a-4eb3-9678-ff599f82b420 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E57369.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:20:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd highly recommend the National Portrait Gallery. And the V&A, of course! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:09 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: [h-cost] What to see in the UK > > Hello everyone, > I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK > about this time next year and I'm trying to work out what I > should visit, I'm spending a week in London with friends and > after that point I'm planning to spend another 2 or 3 weeks > around the UK & Ireland. the London part of my trip is fairly > firmly planned but for the rest of the UK & Ireland I've only > got Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton > Court definitely on my list so far, so what else would you > suggest for a costumer and Tudor history nut? > Elizabeth > ------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra, Australia > http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 00:36:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m934aUPR021501 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:36:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m934aPS6015729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:36:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m934Zxi8043510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m934ZuDt037809; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m934Zr1w037775 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200810030435.m934Zr1w037775@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 8237 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:34:47 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 8231, pid: 8232, t: 0.2250s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp2 with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:34:47 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:35:05 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Double-sided velveteen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7137328-b6a3-4d4e-88d9-4f6db4e1cd0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E5A149.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:36:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just received my regular email from fabric.com. They are having a sale on double-sided velveteen. Here's the URL: http://www.fabric.com/CategoryDetail.aspx?CategoryID=f77efb13-f39f-4057-949e-6aaef12352be It might well be too heavy for clothes, though. Has anyone used this fabric before? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 04:03:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9383eZS018733 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:03:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9383YZQ023041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9382rkZ053907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9382pJ8054461; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9382l32054444 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1591D501A0; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:01:29 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:01:38 -0700 Message-ID: <9658415AC5C84743921B4F9B6971E46E@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AckkzfoeOjWFjQegTqS8+JmTI+W7EgAX8UBg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 111ceee1-ae42-48d0-b7f4-d1609339c0c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E5D1D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:03:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, if you just lightly bone the bodice, so it doesn't wrinkle up along the center front and at the back lacings that should be ok. At least for what she seems to want. My first Ren bodice was boned, but I didn't wear a corset/pair of bodies and it worked fine. Does she intend to wear a bra? Maybe try to get her into a sports bra rather than a modern one. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a "sort" of accurate gown - This is an example of what she is looking for: http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady- versailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a medical condition. I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show her. So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper undergarments: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 04:07:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93872NJ019736 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:07:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9385bb5009454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93859Yx053976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93859lt055618; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9384EAk055162 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1B15D2028E; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:02:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <100220082045.3146.48E532D40009285200000C4A22069984999D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:03:06 -0700 Message-ID: <988FBDC3513E4A2298E8119540BC162E@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Ackk1upXm94fvS9JTlW7cn08Juq82gAV0zmw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2f8bedd-4117-4c2f-97d6-abd2cfc50b7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48E5D251.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:06:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Also, maybe she doesn't understand that a corset does not have to fit super tight, a la that scene from "Gone With the Wind". It should just be as comfortable and supportive as a good bra. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... I am looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea. I would really like to distance myself from doing anything that is that grossly wrong - but she seems interested in learning how to sew --- so I don't want to dissuade her. I should have said also, that I understand someone not posting a link publicly...if you have something you would like to share, feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks, Saragrace > From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:45:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... > > sorry to be dense, but are you looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea, or pictures to work from to try to accede to her request? > > You might get by with partially boning the bodice of the dress itself or something. > Darn -- Moresca.com has taken its site down for repairs; I remember them as having pictures of women both in and out of corsetry in both large and small bodies. > > Good luck! > Lauren > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Saragrace Knauf > > > > > > > > > Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to > > make her a "sort" of accurate gown - This is an example of what she > > is looking for: > > http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothi > > ng/lady-vers > > ailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm > > > > Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry > > due to a medical condition. > > I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without > > the right undergarments....but I was looking for some examples I might show her. > > > > So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing > > proper undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - > > > > I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing > > proper > > undergarments: > > > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 04:12:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m938C0gX021411 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:12:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m938BsQt004482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m938BfKB054251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m938BfAS059136; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m938Bd3v059112 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3705F3028E; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:10:24 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <68B5FD5D2E8144EDA83012D7D8091037@OurComputer> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <6C87BDE9C2C745E584A93C401F2FC3A2@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <68B5FD5D2E8144EDA83012D7D8091037@OurComputer> thread-index: Ackk7656c9nEzg7gTZG2cDHCzqzATQAP0qKg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool footballhelmet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4369482-7150-4740-b0be-9a3ff80843b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E5D3CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:11:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try a costume store. They often have mask type versions of various hats/helmets. Can you make one out of an inexpensive play ball? Just cut out the face part, spray paint it in the right colors and hot melt foam pieces inside to fit (much like a bike helmet) Or, try to find a bike helmet that is the full round style, instead of the swoopy, aerodynamic ones. Often little kid ones are more rounded. Then paint it. And he can use it for his bike, too! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Schmitt Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:34 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool footballhelmet I'm starting to run out of ideas, so I'm asking here.... My 3-year-old wants to be a "football guy" for Halloween. We have a jersey, I can rig up pants no problem. However, I'm stumped on the helmet. No one seems to make toddler size play football helmets! The closest I can come up with is a $45 complete football uniform which includes the helmet from the NFL shop online. Does anyone have any ideas? Somewhere else to look? (I've tried sports stores, athletic apparel, only the full sets, if anything, especially for this age). Some way to rig something up? Although, once it is made, it may need to take a beating during Sunday afternoon football games :) Thanks! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 08:52:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93CqAqV009483 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93Cq4kV013302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93CpgrH070394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93Cpe2O020866; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93CpaXP020764 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:51:06 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m93Cp6H36925 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:51:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 03 Oct 2008 07:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:51:06 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: <48E5CEE6.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 418aeca0-c030-4925-89b6-6fe3342107eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E61574.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered > that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen > -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues > that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt > to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, > or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without > corsetry. Abdominal issues too. The corset may be on the torso but, especially if there is much of a point, it can effect lower issues as well. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 10:34:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93EYrec022343 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:34:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93EYjgW005149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93EYJ6h078146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93EYGkP099971; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93EYDfP099872 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@staff.washjeff.edu) Received: from 209.131.83.40 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-10.01) id AD6003D0; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:34:08 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:34:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "R Lloyd Mitchell" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_WNTXPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS" Message-Id: <20081003103437.SM03372@[209.131.83.40]> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91cf16c1-6481-4d2d-b0a8-44182c00c444 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E62D85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:34:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --------------Boundary-00=_WNTXPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable making a midcentury dress for this year's Christmas choir concert. Using = one of the McCann patterns, I have chosen a Civil War quilt print fabric. = While of cotton, the =22hand=22 is very silky...purple nosegay of small = roses on a tan background that also has a watermark streak through out. I = have modified the neckline to feature a real lace bertha from my = collection. Bodice will be boned and piped as for an original. I will be = facing the hem of the skirt with a contrast of about 12=22; this based on = skirts of the period that I have or have seen elsewhere. Fitted muslin = bodice was completed yesterday. Since I am now officially retired, first time in years I have had time to = do a gown for myself=21 Kathleen M -----Original Message----- From: =22Pierre & Sandy Pettinger=22 Sent 10/2/2008 12:29:03 AM To: =22Historical Costume=22 Subject: Re: =5Bh-cost=5D What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?I just = finished a papier-mache full-head jack-o-lantern=20 mask/headpiece, which got packed for the event tonight. Also just=20 packed is the item containing 7 - 3 foot tall satin stitched=20 appliques, some of which also have fabric painting and other=20 modification. Hubby's worktable just produced a tunic and=20 soft-sculpted palazzo pants, and a whole mess of pumpkin leaves and=20 vines. After this weekend I'll let you in on what it all is and what=20 happened with it. Sandy At 01:09 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: >It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, theater season, >company dinners, Diskens Fair, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th >Night. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical >locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making >something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes=40gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume=40mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ??????????= --------------Boundary-00=_WNTXPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------Boundary-00=_WNTXPFF5ODJ0VLHR0NKS-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 12:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93G3DqJ000346 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:03:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93G37RC028319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93G2ft0087104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93G2cUN089226; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93G2ZrP089194 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1048388fge.11 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=/i2yu09pFahSfR6YJJkIsS32/Dt5inWMXIWdG7w+ndg=; b=Ll8odVNVC9OsEgb+l14k9xd0y7ZEzyYp65EucNKDGl7yR0+H4BKfrssuzmKe8G2uUz frP+Z0gckwfiu4oNkBNZ5pbYtU4dOtSidb3Na5qu4ynYqsSJxURiQ1cSZG9WxsLxp3G+ HeBz/e+aK1YyK9pXhEQqBdz3CQI3VFFpjuPyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=RONqu83XerqqpBjervJ2iFjeNeHHm7R8ynt5PrYBYU40VrZR8HMZlypcH/w7R4RL5r rocXdVdSZPk5uM4WE5KVl4vsnJstyl+beMlpJwkJ61Xjc2JAJVOB5/bK+peMTfcYqHeb 3uXplOOjq3sEbZLNkYMSzBXcDqK9vSUy/yLJw= Received: by 10.187.159.4 with SMTP id l4mr334283fao.54.1223049755046; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ([97.72.82.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i3sm2992896nfh.14.2008.10.03.09.02.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net><49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea61217f-fe4f-43cf-ad63-74f09350666a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E6423C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It sounds like my solution wouldn't help in this particular situation, but what I do when underwire bras become intolerable due to MS-related spasticity (all my muscles tighten up so that any pressure on them is painful) is wear a hip-length BSFG (bust supporting fitted gown). Best support ever, and if made with larger or looser armholes and non-bulky seam finishes there's just nothing to dig in anywhere. It doesn't need to be tight below the underbust area, so it might work well with gastric problems--it wouldn't replace the function of a pair of stays for an 18thC gown, though! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 12:30:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93GTx3J003161 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:29:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93GTnH9027519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:29:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93GTLtX089747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93GTLti017496; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93GT0xd017060 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NBSg1a0030x6nqcA9GUuqg; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:28:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([67.187.171.206]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NGUt1a00T4TYbrX8YGUuQj; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:28:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vg4Rn4msysEA:10 a=4PB_wr4T278A:10 a=CmNgZLIQ0cjDs0XsEYwA:9 a=ufx-s0Q1_TuV-FESnO4xB6fdAOEA:4 a=HTkLZB8eETUA:10 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 Message-ID: <48E6484A.8050301@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:28:58 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97dcf603-6076-45a7-bab2-88249b2121de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E6487D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:29:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > wrote: > > Anyway, sorry to be Devil's advocate; I know some people claim a > > medical problem when they just don't want to wear a certain thing, > > and it's not up to someone else to insist they can. But what about > > people who can't take the pressure of stays / corset? What are they > > to do? > > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people > encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm > sure it does happen > Offhand, I can think of two issues where any kind of corsetry or > stiffening can be a problem. > > Others? > Well, right now I am getting over a shoulder problem. I have almost all of my mobility back but I am still fighting some inflammation even though I rarely have anything but minor pain. The other day I put on a lightly boned 1500 Italian dress to have a friend mark the hem for me and it only took about 2 minutes after it was laced up for me to start chanting "take this off, get it off me now!". This is one of my favorite dresses (remodeled one more time so needed re-hemming) and it has always been comfortable before. I suspect that the stiffening in the bodice combined with the shoulder straps was enough to put my shoulder into an uncomfortable spot. It has minimal stiffening, just in the center front and the sides. I used multiple rows of that skinny plastic boning and a layer of canvas. I would not have expected it to be so uncomfortable. I also have a dim memory of finding boned bodices uncomfortable while recovering from whiplash. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 12:43:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93GhY9s004421 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:43:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93GhTJa010303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93Gh7DE095270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:43:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93Gh7hS031616; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93Gh4hH031497 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c38.41c30cf1 (37086) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB068-90de48e64b7c2e0; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:42:37 -0400 Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48E5CEE6.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:42:36 -0400 References: <48E5CEE6.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31fc5442-e3f4-4395-b6ac-ac5362d0762d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E64BB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You folks don't have the fat tummy issue to deal with when riding a horse SideSaddle. My "regular" period corset makes me look very good, but where do I put all the fat when I have to lift my right leg up and over the horse, to sit in my sidesaddle? There is no where for it "all" to go! Still trying to get a corset fit for riding. Susan On Oct 3, 08, at 8:51 AM, Catherine Kinsey wrote: >> Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people > encountered >> that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does > happen >> -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the > issues >> that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) > attempt >> to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of > work-around, >> or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without >> corsetry. > > Abdominal issues too. The corset may be on the torso but, especially > if there is much of a point, it can effect lower issues as well. > > Catherine > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 12:49:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93Gnpvg005180 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:49:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93Gni3l020249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93GnTns095813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93GnSX8042424; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93GnQ2N042276 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so538366rne.11 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YUTdgJNGfwVvy9hMLGU1pa6EkeJYa7Gzc0KMitJJ5Eg=; b=Fs4wiYrcVvlxGa9adXt4TYX0cmFLbK4VBrejeXoFQ0Eltm9X5Bgx7kszfUnomZNHBr 1s/07igQUk4pPDYTN98obj50AcUnJ2311HzLLcNf20rvI56llrhpGMWjOq32iVnBsH4E MuiNwQa+XTU3dxvAy7EyAb1UZSpZbH83boOOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O4no/z+Ys6JbCIN40fDPJ5RVo7hrCBnxBe1NV1DjOETjgsNvcCr32Qb837WRBrtNGU XIc0iQTnsKGOIUJXxKq7EMZpcA9yCkBq36skhaAnrG5WCDYDFuix4ZEw/ffpt/VXqHlo FbsD2THTIxtgiC53SGxvNCt9x4vHLC0/5KuKA= Received: by 10.100.154.19 with SMTP id b19mr1535299ane.98.1223052565214; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.4? (c-71-206-115-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [71.206.115.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm6206495anc.16.2008.10.03.09.49.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:49:26 -0400 From: Natalie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54d5b2c8-d847-4f73-9c8b-7d2640eb8162 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E64D28.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Andrew T Trembley wrote: > > The Elizabethan corset is a perfect example. It doesn't cinch down the > waist much, it just produces a very flat front and the illusion of a > smaller waist. For larger women it often includes a little interior > support pillow for the breasts to rest upon, reducing the need for > compression to provide support. It doesn't have to be really tight to > do its job. > > andy I confess that my knowledge of period correct corsetry is still rather new, within the last two years or so, but I have not seen reference to this interior pillow before. Do you have some sources you can refer me to? I am a larger woman myself and if this is a more comfortable alternative then compression, I'll be glad to experiment with it. Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 13:09:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93H9HQJ007151 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:09:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93H9Ct4003657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93H8qWK097419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93H8obd066283; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93H8kif066104 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.ce2.3aea6ce8 (34971) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA078-889b48e65190259; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:08:32 -0400 Message-Id: <28502543-8A83-4DD0-8FB7-42BBCBFE1E95@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <100220082256.7202.48E5519A0000F2DC00001C2222073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:08:32 -0400 References: <100220082256.7202.48E5519A0000F2DC00001C2222073000339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 240310c4-97d9-417e-b160-96a170f5c9b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E651B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:09:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Oct 2, 08, at 6:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > I assume you have the whole, "stays are not that uncomfortable, and > before the 19th century tight-lacing was not the point" song and > dance by heart? I know some large women who surprise themselves by > *liking* stays. > Lauren Lauren, As a member of the Over 50 and Over Weight Club, I agree that a correctly fitting corset feels just fine on a hot day in Period Clothing. None of the "parts" touch each other, keeping everything where it belongs, minimizing sweaty areas. My back also appreciates the support of the corset. If I could only get a corset to accommodate "everything" when I ride Sidesaddle, I would look and feel better. Still working on it. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 14:03:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93I3HxE012806 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93I1qKr021332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93I0fYj005060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93I0ePZ021493; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m93I06ZU020763 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49780 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 18:00:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1ajnOmf+gvhgqvG5qQ86L4pkKwPeG0YGT8zg93e3HLIm8mg+AF4qVwvziutjkFmy8mk7wC+RHZI1fzw5XMFrhHE4AqsKQLl20S4AkTh4vlC3GuftO2VeE2TijzMMHjU4XGoDHr2Yb3RamxXlWxCUxh5DCOh20jAqhPepy4hmBOQ=; Received: from [65.190.209.212] by web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:00:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48E57D8D.3020005@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <525598.49669.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool football helmet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4372e0b-e149-49ad-b5b3-ada735951262 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48E65E10.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Papier Machet formed around a balloon..when it is dry pop the ballon and glue stripps of foam on the inside to keepit smooth for you little player spraypaint the ourside with nontoxic paint from the craft store and i am sure you can find a decal from your favorite team to pu on it. Bambi Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool football helmet To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:03 PM Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > No one > seems to make toddler size play football helmets! The closest I can come up > with is a $45 complete football uniform which includes the helmet from the > NFL shop online. > > Does anyone have any ideas? How about a youth size mouthguard, those are pretty cheap, and some face paint rubbed under the eyes? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 14:20:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93IKqOa015423 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:20:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93IKlTe005259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93IKF8w008852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93IKE2j041307; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m93IKB8k041142 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16022 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 18:20:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=AUVq1JWZh/lwr0M/esqgEap6Xjtbl/OyJHY/u5mJQE86omjrfhUmLeWoAG6euKT1qpAS5lu/yevynkK+bCqhG7bAKT/67/acpVGJUKSGrnNvMCbPOBw0oGw0I99ERneIT6jRj3CTbdd4qmcO02L80pc/NC1fj0iAdIeJP49/tv0=; X-YMail-OSG: _7bZhTAVM1kU9Sc8fsP4V7zgH_02vpDkPkmid1QtynlnANybHhHgc2E7whmtQisdfDuzIGJX.dc856Q_E6ZD3fC6fYBSjO1MX.1I0GlLMQH3amQ48a2_hsoA1y7h.5OoIvKs8gHaln5H7hsnxwxCXZ_tj40- Received: from [65.190.209.212] by web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:20:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1085354.273761222987195443.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <898601.15374.qm@web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f805c5e9-d375-412f-ae43-5ae8bd854620 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E6627F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:20:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have had 5 car accident and a violent assault in my life,,,all damaging my back and neck to some degree. I also manage to be disproprotionately busty...(40 H on a 6ft 280lb frame) Even a bad corset fit is tolerable for a few hours compared to a moredrately bad fit..Guess Im just lucky that way. Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Ailith wrote: From: Ailith Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 6:39 PM I can no longer wear my beloved Italian gowns because I simply can't bear the constriction of a corset. I have nerve damage due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Just wearing a bra is torturous for me. :-( I'd give a lot to be able to wear my gowns again. Kate > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without corsetry. > > Offhand, I can think of two issues where any kind of corsetry or stiffening can be a problem. One is for people in wheelchairs: if they are to wear a corset at all, it must need to be designed for sitting rather than standing, and I can imagine that for someone whow has limited mobility anyway, not being able to bend freely at the waist could make some necessary movements very difficult. > > I also have a friend who finds that a normal 16th-century corset and fitted gown cause too much of the weight of the skirt to be carried by her hips and lower back, which she finds very painful. She does much better with something where most of the weight of the dress hangs from the shoulders (loose gowns, for instance, although she can also wear a fitted gown with a few bones but not a full corset). In her case, the medical problem is nerve damage. > > Others? > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 14:41:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93IfErl017012 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:41:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93If9WW018711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93IekEC010736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93Ieje2064007; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:40:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93IefGT063924 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8600GEBEJQNAV1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:40:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-86-14.eastlink.ca (HELO BlaikeHouse) ([24.137.86.14]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:19:21 -0300 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:40:25 -0300 From: SPaterson In-reply-to: <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHYD5kgYiVYO/2dsb2JhbAC9FIFo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,358,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="374565969" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081003-0, 03/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 982bea21-f4df-416f-908b-4a62ba246ea8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E66745.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:41:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "Cookies" have been around for a while, just not readily documentable - if that is what you mean - even Greenberg & Hammer carry them :) But good luck finding it documented earlier than the 19th Century. (Not saying impossible, just "bonne chance"). Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > I confess that my knowledge of period correct corsetry is still rather > new, within the last two years or so, but I have not seen reference to > this interior pillow before. Do you have some sources you can refer me to? > I am a larger woman myself and if this is a more comfortable alternative > then compression, I'll be glad to experiment with it. > > Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 15:22:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93JMkeN019913 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93JMejl004076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93JMIsi015225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93JMEM5006766; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93JMBvA006616 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.197]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93JM4NH016648 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <63C08894-6654-4BAB-95EB-142219185C99@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:22:04 -0700 References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4abfee74-79c6-441a-9c0c-534ab54cb57f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E67100.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Natalie wrote: > Andrew T Trembley wrote: >> >> The Elizabethan corset is a perfect example. It doesn't cinch down >> the waist much, it just produces a very flat front and the illusion >> of a smaller waist. For larger women it often includes a little >> interior support pillow for the breasts to rest upon, reducing the >> need for compression to provide support. It doesn't have to be >> really tight to do its job. > I confess that my knowledge of period correct corsetry is still > rather new, within the last two years or so, but I have not seen > reference to this interior pillow before. Do you have some sources > you can refer me to? I am a larger woman myself and if this is a > more comfortable alternative then compression, I'll be glad to > experiment with it. Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not have been able to achieve the right silhouette. Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in portraits and sculpture. If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a cheat, it's a completely invisible cheat. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 15:29:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93JTguS020317 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:29:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93JTaH4018321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93JTFXf016565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93JTFqZ014655; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m93JTC61014509 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16303 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 19:29:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mMSR7dygo7cudSJCeorqrOWL5wWGmDokXGQoo0GhBSPKWon+q8AzIS0JxNLWEypVWseCOHmLPvt2uSDlEXC8ly9IeQ5+ELcUSgcY1QW4BcKHlOiuV3vqgkyJ4lkF0RD+DCNQJBjveTD12S9xgI9fNh03UX0VlnrKrOq+EeGcD/k=; X-YMail-OSG: h9GpIngVM1mdmbAfDVcW2CL16HQZnFq.t4Qkcs4YLrziN8ocD911XOHFXb1mZWtIHaOgPi0jGAmBCbxbxDl6BpHE.wyLWymkxr396xgloeVekJURagnPysP8lXdMltzS3H59vN9wWZOAK7N2EQmWiGusJZ0- Received: from [65.190.209.212] by web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:29:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <63C08894-6654-4BAB-95EB-142219185C99@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <809034.16111.qm@web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a98baa19-9501-40a9-befc-69ac3c686194 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E672A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:29:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO helpful hint... make the little pilow out of cotton or linen and put a velcro strip or tack= it in with big stiches...those of us busty girls can collect swet under th= ere=A0 and having several to change out will help prevent bacteria growth ,= smell and chaffing.i have tree..one on, one to have drying and one for the = next day if i going to be wering the corset let us say for a whole week end. Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Andrew T Trembley wrote: From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? To: "Historical Costume" Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 3:22 PM On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Natalie wrote: > Andrew T Trembley wrote: >> >> The Elizabethan corset is a perfect example. It doesn't cinch down = >> the waist much, it just produces a very flat front and the illusion = >> of a smaller waist. For larger women it often includes a little = >> interior support pillow for the breasts to rest upon, reducing the = >> need for compression to provide support. It doesn't have to be = >> really tight to do its job. > I confess that my knowledge of period correct corsetry is still = > rather new, within the last two years or so, but I have not seen = > reference to this interior pillow before. Do you have some sources = > you can refer me to? I am a larger woman myself and if this is a = > more comfortable alternative then compression, I'll be glad to = > experiment with it. Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front = of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm = "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not have been = able to achieve the right silhouette. Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling = breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. = None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in = portraits and sculpture. If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about = documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern = techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a cheat, = it's a completely invisible cheat. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 17:12:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93LCB2s026881 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:12:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93LC5X1014152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93LBZuW028521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93LBW30022267; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93LBUgZ022219 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so312888ywe.71 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eMS4itbFV/UJeQjhoFHDYhqSn5C7d9C53qaCg3AFbKg=; b=lpppwj8tZwzm+pFwX/pOprtfCNfJsksPlYEraJrzRVpuNf7J7MYw55C1hJkGk+hIsw R2g17nATyJjtFi1dAn4fgljRtiwk5Ipv7w2V3ynMrDNaJ/DIIdkTGywOX5nk0CL26c56 waFDSGZe/Osal75mJGIBOtjPaCneGHhzUhVok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pfri6d3zkoNraJtdsP9EzZEbz1+jJF3jVH4hcQZbslIBh4sqBj2l1WE7pCZEl+jAuT /56limB6xyXJ+623+57wl6Ibol7Zc/oTk4W8+69M5wPVMlaff/UxGeV8Z8bMcmPyuAnM Y7H41tpohlhfYYJ6aDIDyu+lXmYW0hDUTErFQ= Received: by 10.90.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr1841910aga.113.1223068289135; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.4? (c-71-206-115-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [71.206.115.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3970021agb.22.2008.10.03.14.11.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E68A81.5000306@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:11:29 -0400 From: Natalie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <49387.72.13.239.193.1222986772.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <48E64D16.2020709@gmail.com> <63C08894-6654-4BAB-95EB-142219185C99@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <63C08894-6654-4BAB-95EB-142219185C99@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81711815-4431-4459-9af6-e9a2b8157db8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E68AA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:12:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry, I should have been more clear. By sources, I meant some images of how this is done currently. I'm not worried about accuracy or authenticity of my undies :) Just comfort and the right silhouette. Natalie > > Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. > > It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front > of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm > "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not have been > able to achieve the right silhouette. > > Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling > breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. > None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in > portraits and sculpture. > > If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about > documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern > techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a cheat, > it's a completely invisible cheat. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 17:21:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m93LLHMh027284 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:21:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m93LLCIg012697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m93LKqTH029272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93LKq4T031325; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m93LKmAH031177 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31064 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 21:20:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ao/1WbAygA+ozwJoDD3oPGNMtxppcZnbzaHHKedfhAcH3XdS06ErHofnd250cPe6PMSAzYFkwjL287X+CsuHiJ0h8vowKEDiWwJjciHLEDAgi0W1mPCDCBAhqlQSEjvkByoH1K8VxSgkbUyvQGG81P/JLFh2JGMEi2JU63SR6Ec=; X-YMail-OSG: 437cSN0VM1lpaTuslyA1Xgrlg2EjPyyvnSKiaUD6udHMcS0ksZsOXhzSp0XnRXGkZQNBzSmn4ykrM8Bumoj2YHsD9r2EkL1MNhORzo._K2GUCJ01EDyp2TLboh81amzP5z6sZha0Efi8ygNIkWv8iaB0gfc- Received: from [65.190.209.212] by web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:20:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48E68A81.5000306@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <211405.28615.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:21:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ok honey, everybodies brests are different and place slightly differently. = the best way to do it is to=A0 do a mock up corset ouf ot muslin then try i= t on and not where the"gap" under the breasts is.. and make a ittle cotton = or linen pillow or roll and tack it in..it will take a little trial and ero= r but it int that hard. Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? To: "Historical Costume" Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 5:11 PM Sorry, I should have been more clear. By sources, I meant some images of = how this is done currently. I'm not worried about accuracy or = authenticity of my undies :) Just comfort and the right silhouette. Natalie > > Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. > > It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front = > of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm = > "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not have been = > able to achieve the right silhouette. > > Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling = > breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. = > None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in = > portraits and sculpture. > > If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about = > documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern = > techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a cheat, = > it's a completely invisible cheat. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 21:49:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m941nPEt007733 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:49:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m941nIdf024263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m941n2M9047237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m941mxYc030587; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m941muBG030542 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1362338uge.32 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PJCbFGDmhcjH86AfljgP21bCtFYbHo4wna+POYlgVRU=; b=MTMhtcWlTJiCREgu2ZNtBybRDGqCeO0oyyRjvWD5r6/r3NsfRWTvhu2hbuUH9acS3L O+C4JdBE9ev0ExL8tlo0EYYJyt5/70Pb3AOoB8/HNQOmz1BvhpWnYTCuckNffahyqeZZ wXq9ufGi260AsXRk4y1edXuCKZOYdBuYPNrBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kGIGykTQeXDR1Mx5Qv49HBsQsYiaFP2a29f7fWQcQLIYhkWaEvDMkrOlOLQBYx+ODs 0KoZR4YCqRbGiPYkTa+a695YswujTYktvSEaU4OrHtlPwYQdvpDa0vqvvox4huSviWBv /++wH035wUvRQdbyhTV5WOajpJHv223Gk9oqY= Received: by 10.67.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr5968835ugi.70.1223084935575; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.11 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0810031848l2edc9136v784fd928b3d604c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:48:55 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6be81503-66fb-4df1-94e9-530700d97819 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E6CB9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:49:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Which makes me curious. What actual medical issues have people encountered that really _do_ mean someone can't wear a corset? I'm sure it does happen -- and it seems to me that having some idea of what really are the issues that cause problems might help dressmakers decide whether to (1) attempt to exercise more tactful persuasion, (2) devise some sort of work-around, or (3) do the best they can to make a nice looking garment without corsetry. I have an auto immune disease. I have toxic drugs to deal with it, both cause problems Sorry easier than starting off with Rheumatoid Arthritis as there are too many assumptions made about it;) I have to deal with pain and joint degradation every day but also extreme fatigue and a body that simply cannot handle wearing the frocks for long periods any more. Corsets are draining. I make mine well, it's nothing to do with that. I just find after a few hours I start to feel claustrophobic and need to get into something lighter/ looser. At events this is usually just put up with but I'm starting to find my tolerance levels dropping. I had to leave an event a few weeks back because I was about to have some sort of physical break down. That was an extreme but what people assume about my disease is really not everything that goes on. Oh yeah and I do have digestive issues from 7+ years of daily prednisone and anti-inflammatory use so anything tight/rigid around my waist causes other issues. Most of the time I do stick it out, but I'm looking at having to change how I do things. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 3 22:04:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9424P14008583 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:04:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9424Jr7017718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:04:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94246tM048118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94246gp039384; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9423uaF039227 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web19-z02 ([10.127.132.170]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081004020350.IHQC23883.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web19-z02> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:03:50 +0000 Message-ID: <30666145.76591223085830866.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:03:50 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 75.179.35.18 by webmail.neo.rr.com; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 2:03:50 +0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4f58069-49aa-4df7-b21b-2d8283f6f8b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E6CF23.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Natalie. When I wore a corset, I never used a "pillow". I'm a 46 DDD and the most I ever used was several 100% cotton tube sox or a folded and rolled up cotton or linen tea towel. Both worked well for me. Kate ---- Natalie wrote: > Sorry, I should have been more clear. By sources, I meant some images of > how this is done currently. I'm not worried about accuracy or > authenticity of my undies :) Just comfort and the right silhouette. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 08:47:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94ClO3d015148 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94ClJAF030742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94Ckvdx089873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94CkrgY084050; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94CkoeG083923 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W14 ([65.55.138.49]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:46:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:46:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200810030435.m934Zr1w037775@net.indra.com> References: <200810030435.m934Zr1w037775@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2008 12:46:45.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[424BB7F0:01C9261F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Double-sided velveteen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be2d117a-7a21-4e9e-8486-4eff6f3500fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E765D7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bad girl Joan! My fingers are starting to twitch towards my credit card. Looks loverly! The colors are goregeous. I'd order a swatch, or a small piece and wash it in the wash machine...it makes a BIG difference with 100% velvet/teen. Sg > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:35:05 -0700 > To: h-costume@indra.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com > From: joanmj@surewest.net > Subject: [h-cost] Double-sided velveteen > > I just received my regular email from fabric.com. They are having a > sale on double-sided velveteen. Here's the > URL: > http://www.fabric.com/CategoryDetail.aspx?CategoryID=f77efb13-f39f-4057-949e-6aaef12352be > > It might well be too heavy for clothes, though. Has anyone used this > fabric before? > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 09:58:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94DwoW3021117 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:58:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94DwiwF028742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:58:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94DwNwh093952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94DwLaH029878; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m94DwIZN029795 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 22990 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 13:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.161.37?) (melanie@75.46.161.37 with plain) by smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 13:58:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oLigh48VM1mgWXxwoUqIwID9kzjId7Z8SRon1phSVYJZjWIEqyxB0ej149lQI7K5WD29u6FWedzdjpS9.MAaoAHBaHhSsyyCkNRS2IaQ0EpPPsWz7ZqM63pBWLun5bCApAk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <21DA1C3D-24D8-4198-8B4C-C72B274CD9BD@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:59:24 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44b1c0a9-8e36-43a3-af4c-fae3872348cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E77694.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Chris Laning wrote: > > I also have a friend who finds that a normal 16th-century corset > and fitted gown cause too much of the weight of the skirt to be > carried by her hips and lower back, which she finds very painful. > She does much better with something where most of the weight of the > dress hangs from the shoulders (loose gowns, for instance, although > she can also wear a fitted gown with a few bones but not a full > corset). In her case, the medical problem is nerve damage. If there's nerve damage, anything corset-like might end up being uncomfortable, but in general, a well-fitted 16th-century corset and farthingale take the pressure *off* of the lower back and hips. That is, if you do three things: make the corset with straps, make sure the corset fits correctly (especially that it isn't too long), and tie the farthingale to the corset. I don't have any medical issues, but I did have problems with lower back pain with my Elizabethans until I started tying my farthingale to my corset. Once you do that, the pressure of the skirts should be distributed up the torso and through the shoulders rather than falling on the hips. The issue with corsets being cut too long is one that I find frequently, especially with larger figures. People gain weight differently, but for some, the apparent waistline drops as they get larger, and they tend to want the waistline of their corset to be where they wear the waistline of their clothing. This generally results in the waistline of the corset being too low--sometimes so low that it's sitting on the hipbones and throwing the whole fit off as well as causing lower back issues. For corsetry in general, the location of the waist should be judged by finding the bottom of the ribs and the top of the hipbones and aiming midway in between. On larger figures, this can result in an uncomfortable bulge of flesh below the bottom of the corset, and in that case try the styles that have tabs on the bottom and continue the boning of the body of the corset to the bottom of the tabs. That will dissipate the compression of the corset comfortably rather than creating a hard line that cuts into the midsection. Of course, if you're doing the longer 19th-century corsets, you don't have worry about it as long as you get the waistline in the right place. Melanie Schuessler (who spent four years draping for an opera company) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 10:11:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94EBsDX022051 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94EBnqJ001772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94EBVKd094848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94EBV7A038711; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94EBRBT038608 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyepaige@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.61.74]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:11:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:10:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.127.46.145 by BAY102-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:10:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.127.46.145] X-Originating-Email: [ladyepaige@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladyepaige@hotmail.com From: "paige" To: "Historical Costume" References: <898601.15374.qm@web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:12:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2008 14:10:05.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6D488A0:01C9262A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00392bd1-f2d4-428b-839b-ff4c82ab637d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E779A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good Day, Please try using a cotton camisole under the corset and per Renaissance Corp, larger ladies will roll small tea towels (white only it seems) and place under the breasts but I find this bothersome and they can slip.. Personally, I hate trying to be a size 4-6 when I am a size 20, and my corsets do not close all the way in back...I like to breath too much. No one sees them and the bodice or surcoats cover the backs anyway and on hotter days that helps stay a wee bit cooler. Ladies , we no longer need to kill ourselves. By the end of the day it is nice to get out of a corset but I find my back hurts less from wearing one and have thought on several days why not wear one all the time...just not so tight one can not breath. Hope my wee input helps on this issue... Ladye Paige in Virginia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 10:24:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94EOSbV022959 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:24:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94EONWW007980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94EO8Tp095431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94EO8iu046462; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94EO6i2046365 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyepaige@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.61.73]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:24:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:24:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.127.46.145 by BAY102-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:23:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.127.46.145] X-Originating-Email: [ladyepaige@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladyepaige@hotmail.com From: "paige" To: "Historical Costume" References: <48E5CEE6.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:25:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2008 14:24:00.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[D82045E0:01C9262C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60570a8f-c9d3-4cd4-ba09-bb88057dd1f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E77C97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, I too have that tummy area problem but have used a tabbed corset for many years but never lace it all the way up the back. Tabs come over the hip area slightly and when I am being laced, I ask someone to start at waist not bottom of corset, and I .never close the corset all the way ( I like to breath ) unless some deft gentleman who my be assisting with the chore manages to lace it tighter than usual and gets the back closer together...you might find your tummy area won't poof so much when sitting and the more open back of the corset lets you back stay cooler and who is seeing it...only you know ....with areas such as VA, MD and PA, high humidity is quite an issue and then so is Wisconsin area...we just want to look the part...we are not really needing to be size 4-5 waists and 5' frames (unless that is what you are)..lets not forget that people have changed in our frame build since the 1500-1600's. By the way, I wear this same corset for Renn Clothing, Victorian and now my Colonial. My corset fits nicely and why fool with another style that might not be as comfortable...The corset is really intended to give a smooth appearance is it not? Enough input from a size 20, nearing 60's lady in Va. Ladye Paige _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 10:26:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94EQ6u6023041 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:26:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94EQ1XR030288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94EPlTM095580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94EPlpK047563; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m94EPimt047438 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200810041425.m94EPimt047438@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Oct 2008 14:25:36 -0000 Received: from p548E3180.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.49.128] by mail.gmx.net (mp064) with SMTP; 04 Oct 2008 16:25:36 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Dt8Z9P/LDK/94sVWLs233TgxIy0+zkumQofUE9L CPxOW6oiu4iyPf X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:35 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: <211405.28615.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <48E68A81.5000306@gmail.com> <211405.28615.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54975c86-b277-489e-aada-847522b88499 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48E77CF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The pillows I=B4ve seen in theatrical costumes = appear to be as wide as the distance between the = two lowest points of an underwire bra=B4s wires and = reach down to the point where the ribs emerge = from the breast bone, sort of a padded triangle in the corset. Another option is to put small pads (about the = size of shoulderpads, but not bent) right under = each breast. This is also good for ladies with = small breasts - there are only a few days of the = month when I have an A-cup, but the pads let me = have really pretty "apples" in rococo-neckline. ;-) Hanna At 23:20 03.10.2008, you wrote: >ok honey, everybodies brests are different and = >place slightly differently. the best way to do = >it is to do a mock up corset ouf ot muslin then = >try it on and not where the"gap" under the = >breasts is.. and make a ittle cotton or linen = >pillow or roll and tack it in..it will take a = >little trial and eror but it int that hard. > > >Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL > > > >I am made for great things by GOD > >and walk with Pride!!!! > >Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad > >see me dance > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7HMtOoXtMs0 > >--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Natalie wrote: >From: Natalie >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? >To: "Historical Costume" >Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 5:11 PM > >Sorry, I should have been more clear. By sources, I meant some images of >how this is done currently. I'm not worried about accuracy or >authenticity of my undies :) Just comfort and the right silhouette. > >Natalie > > > > Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. > > > > It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front > > of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm > > "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not >have been > > able to achieve the right silhouette. > > > > Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling > > breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. > > None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in > > portraits and sculpture. > > > > If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about > > documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern > > techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a >cheat, > > it's a completely invisible cheat. > > > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 12:35:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94GZbGX030446 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:35:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94GZWSZ027440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94GYtvo006427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94GYp31039766; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94GYnoB039668 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081004163439.OZQP3214.mta21.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081004163438.EITT3342.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:34:38 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <19835617.1222985564138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21DA1C3D-24D8-4198-8B4C-C72B274CD9BD@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AckmKVZKb8Xr6Q8WTo6PMcASB/dLPgAFaUBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <21DA1C3D-24D8-4198-8B4C-C72B274CD9BD@faucet.net> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 758b6f14-cf98-43bb-b430-edb0765669fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48E79B54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Even a well-fitted corset would cause problems for her. ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 18:36:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94MadFf018619 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:36:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94MaXNT012692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:36:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94Ma9No039536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94Ma6Of089649; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m94Ma4ii089580 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79468 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2008 22:35:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=aNtmGENOrkMUSsruyefRMg3TLaOUxEPiN6UUYUlVWQ3t68WC7Hqsg44AF6U0hXdYK3oG0SAttcJF5A+zQLuxDOuI9FFMBXkgjFmlZWaRrRiEY07CWIufzSckC9Sq2/wXhylVZ1h7VOTPb0hdERXACH3McQI4ZslYMGKLfBxTuoI=; X-YMail-OSG: 1RfXkoEVM1maR6MkNxTOf8pP1KtC4GwQ6aZLK_aw2FLEvuPMAhIN71O1fUgVtGVRhU2GrOozz56w8pmKI5HXsex3zXoBSQLGtci.papi6oioyFGXBq4nMZdwBmBZJY022OgFQxrQzLMJnvMUNb0P7qOje.a2OZ4R_qWcvIS6orh7W8yiBSA- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:35:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <988FBDC3513E4A2298E8119540BC162E@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <732551.79412.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for "bad" examples of costuming... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b78ebf0-1ea5-4ef2-8a65-4da348d312c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48E7EFF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is very easy...I see horrible costumes on the net every day... Try these: http://www.wulflund.com/images_items/renaissance-ladies-dress-wine_2.jpg http://www.wulflund.com/images_items/renaissance-dress-de-luxe_2.jpg http://www.carolina-belles.com/shop/index.php?action=listingview&listingID=29&PHPSESSID=e69447e261aaf87273933f9885ab6f0e Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 4 18:48:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m94MmuhW019175 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:48:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m94Mmo0T021677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:48:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m94MmVrT040378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94MmVpK096601; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94MmSFo096515 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=peoplepc.com; b=WOiiIifIQK7Z7Q5hOVca2l6ZcSSdSHnsLlirZESUI7mEWmch1rqUWMETHPfzWyKD; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.39] (helo=elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KmFvD-0000BJ-4x for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:48:23 -0400 Received: from 4.90.59.138 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:48:22 -0400 Message-ID: <15818945.1223160503169.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:48:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69da04c188ae865a24b485cb27ebb12766350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Corsetery issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bb6ef96-9834-4845-8472-e1e0c23043bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E7F2D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi All, If an actress doesn't raise the issue it is wise to ask if there are possible limitations. Years ago, costuming "Don Juan in Hell' I did the actress playing Dona Ana in a quick change when she chooses the age she wants to appear. The dress had four skirts - a fine cotton underskirt, two skirts of a rough brown coarse weave with a yellow apron between the skirts, and an outer skirt of lightweight peach taffeta. The entire dress, including a large wooden rosary with cross weighed eight pounds. The actress was no amateur. The bodice was boned, there was shoulder support for the skirt weight but no corset. At final dress the actress fainted. I was told she fainted the night before in the dressing room. When asked what she thought the problem might be she fessed up that her floating ribs had been removed to make a smaller waist. When asked why she had neither complained or volunteered that info she thought she could overcome it. The fix was simple- change the heavier fabric for rayon liner which brought the dress weight down to three pounds and loosen the bodice slightly. Real actress will suffer anything. The others are inexperienced and complain about anything. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 6 04:30:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m968UQoO006794 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 04:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m968UJeR021794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 04:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m968Ttol051374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m968ToDL012398; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk (mail2.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m968TkpB012312 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg02.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.224]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m968TaV09397.; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:29:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.240.5; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:22:06 +0100 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.42]) with mapi; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:29:35 +0100 From: Kate Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:29:33 +0100 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What to see in the UK Thread-Index: AckkuO2dQzRys8OdTcugFizPsR2+lQC01PBA Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487ADFBAF611@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7833b80-d382-4bb3-9f99-2f43bd1d9092 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48E9CC9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:30:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote... ------------------------------ >Tudor clothing on display in the "provinces" is very rare, and there >are not that many other collections - I cannot remember the name of >one in Wales, used to be the Snowshill Collection - maybe if >googled "Snowshill" you might find it? I think it's now at Berrington Hall, a National Trust property in Herefordshire (near the Welsh border), but it can only be visited by prior arrangement. I visit the area every year, have been round the Hall but not managed to see the costume collection. Haddon Hall in Derbyshire is worth seeing as well as Hardwick Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 6 10:40:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m96EegN1002197 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:40:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m96EeZ7L012089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m96Ee9vv034778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96Ee6ds064369; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from estamail.org (estamail.org [209.216.253.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96Ee3Lw064329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mmbennett@esta.org) Received: (qmail 15367 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 07:32:49 -0700 Received: from static-64-115-141-181.isp.broadviewnet.net (HELO Meredith) (64.115.141.181) by with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 07:32:49 -0700 From: "Meredith Moseley-Bennett" To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckmSmT1K1KfYWkYTRi9WXtaa9oS7ABdu1aA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 362 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31803e71-c485-4a9c-be8c-28beebd96321 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48EA2363.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Meredith Moseley-Bennett Certification Coordinator Entertainment Technician Certification Program-ETCP 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 NYC, NY 10001 Phone: 212.244.1505 Fax: 212.244.1502 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:00 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 362 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) (paige) 2. Re: Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) (paige) 3. Re: Corsetry issues- interior pillows? (Hanna Zickermann) 4. Re: Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) (Rebecca Schmitt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:12:03 -0400 From: "paige" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good Day, Please try using a cotton camisole under the corset and per Renaissance Corp, larger ladies will roll small tea towels (white only it seems) and place under the breasts but I find this bothersome and they can slip.. Personally, I hate trying to be a size 4-6 when I am a size 20, and my corsets do not close all the way in back...I like to breath too much. No one sees them and the bodice or surcoats cover the backs anyway and on hotter days that helps stay a wee bit cooler. Ladies , we no longer need to kill ourselves. By the end of the day it is nice to get out of a corset but I find my back hurts less from wearing one and have thought on several days why not wear one all the time...just not so tight one can not breath. Hope my wee input helps on this issue... Ladye Paige in Virginia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:25:36 -0400 From: "paige" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Hello, I too have that tummy area problem but have used a tabbed corset for many years but never lace it all the way up the back. Tabs come over the hip area slightly and when I am being laced, I ask someone to start at waist not bottom of corset, and I .never close the corset all the way ( I like to breath ) unless some deft gentleman who my be assisting with the chore manages to lace it tighter than usual and gets the back closer together...you might find your tummy area won't poof so much when sitting and the more open back of the corset lets you back stay cooler and who is seeing it...only you know ....with areas such as VA, MD and PA, high humidity is quite an issue and then so is Wisconsin area...we just want to look the part...we are not really needing to be size 4-5 waists and 5' frames (unless that is what you are)..lets not forget that people have changed in our frame build since the 1500-1600's. By the way, I wear this same corset for Renn Clothing, Victorian and now my Colonial. My corset fits nicely and why fool with another style that might not be as comfortable...The corset is really intended to give a smooth appearance is it not? Enough input from a size 20, nearing 60's lady in Va. Ladye Paige ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:35 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <200810041425.m94EPimt047438@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed The pillows I?ve seen in theatrical costumes appear to be as wide as the distance between the two lowest points of an underwire bra?s wires and reach down to the point where the ribs emerge from the breast bone, sort of a padded triangle in the corset. Another option is to put small pads (about the size of shoulderpads, but not bent) right under each breast. This is also good for ladies with small breasts - there are only a few days of the month when I have an A-cup, but the pads let me have really pretty "apples" in rococo-neckline. ;-) Hanna At 23:20 03.10.2008, you wrote: >ok honey, everybodies brests are different and >place slightly differently. the best way to do >it is to do a mock up corset ouf ot muslin then >try it on and not where the"gap" under the >breasts is.. and make a ittle cotton or linen >pillow or roll and tack it in..it will take a >little trial and eror but it int that hard. > > >Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL > > > >I am made for great things by GOD > >and walk with Pride!!!! > >Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad > >see me dance > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 > >--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Natalie wrote: >From: Natalie >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues- interior pillows? >To: "Historical Costume" >Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 5:11 PM > >Sorry, I should have been more clear. By sources, I meant some images of >how this is done currently. I'm not worried about accuracy or >authenticity of my undies :) Just comfort and the right silhouette. > >Natalie > > > > Haven't got doc for it. Wasn't my corset. > > > > It was a way of coping with the solid (often wood) busk in the front > > of an Elizabethan corset. Many of my friends at faire put in a firm > > "twinkie" sized support pillow, without which they would not >have been > > able to achieve the right silhouette. > > > > Without the pillow they would have had over-mashed breasts, falling > > breasts, or (with a less-rigid busk to compensate) a non-flat front. > > None of them would have matched the silhouette represented in > > portraits and sculpture. > > > > If you're doing something for competition, I would worry about > > documentation. If you're using machine stitching and other modern > > techniques to make your costume, I wouldn't worry. If it's a >cheat, > > it's a completely invisible cheat. > > > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:34:34 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for "bad" examples) To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We have a member of our guilde at Bristol who has cardiac issues and is unable to wear anything too binding. Even a well-fitted corset would cause problems for her. ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 362 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 7 08:35:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m97CZdtN032302 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m97CZRPh019535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m97CZ6TT070184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m97CZ1n5040620; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m97CYwjK040508 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:35:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c68.3a29b8c5 (39330) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:34:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a26c5dd5-b905-4b5b-9d60-87315e08b6bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48EB578F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry - missed first message... There's a bit in the National Museums of Scotland, in Edinburgh, but you'd have to check whether it's on display or not. Likewise The Armouries in Leeds, though it's of the coat of plate variety (I know there are a couple of coats and a hat on display there). I agree that Hardwicke is a must. One of the problems with tudor clothing outside London is that it's likely that many historic houses have little bits - the odd doublet, etc - but it will be very spread out. It's also quite hard to keep track of, as they will keep selling it! The snowshill collection (if you can find it) is definitely worthwhile though. In a message dated 06/10/2008 19:01:40 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Suzi Clarke wrote... ------------------------------ >Tudor clothing on display in the "provinces" is very rare, and there >are not that many other collections - I cannot remember the name of >one in Wales, used to be the Snowshill Collection - maybe if >googled "Snowshill" you might find it? I think it's now at Berrington Hall, a National Trust property in Herefordshire (near the Welsh border), but it can only be visited by prior arrangement. I visit the area every year, have been round the Hall but not managed to see the costume collection. Haddon Hall in Derbyshire is worth seeing as well as Hardwick Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor ************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 8 10:06:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m98E6pbK024501 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98E6ji4012943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:06:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m98E6G09083690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98E6C0i086033; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98E6Afk086014 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so781747ele.8 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=q3wf24tyXkiH/3eHo9GWj5VUEvr/lm8VJk3nARmmarY=; b=hkXlRXG8vI+uaVp1OdTTBwr2sILGr7pBcwcjwvbVfv9LIWHEAoZy/vgGjubZcQpZdi XcpllhZM7VW2Z9AfcQdZ2/t/7JbWC1o+iv5KR+u+MMFDTYSoretTPHMoz64SP+C7EbHq DK8gJpO52P9ksEaij690RZ0JcnkyR/nP6rIuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pTt1TUQFhr/tEEAC6BsSlEtsvgCm+3Jus/dTpbWnp1Z0KCjdmAuzqCJ3RbiW7WW907 G8xaNFviJdCS1bUgsX3LMJ9xTnx6GXVid1qjIwNi0R6OhZnGyCcRqHF254jF+NQtZSPT Uv9FZNzGcJLIQR9ZNVGvFtqi4hAgNI6FfV6+k= Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr9302111agb.54.1223474770562; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:06:10 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine woes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d28847a8-86e7-4220-befe-45baad746ee3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48ECBE75.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:06:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just because I know that most of you will understand I am whining here. Earlier this year on my 1952 vinatage Pfaff sewing machine I noted the belt was separating, not surprising when you consider it was last replaced prior to 1980, if ever. I looked up a place on line and ordered a replacement, and my separating belt continued to work in the meantime. I installed the new wone when it arrived and everything was good without a break in usage. This weekend when I was pressed for time when I found the four piece ensemble for my son's renn faire excursion was due next weekend, not next month as I had thought, and I have a another such ensemble for a friend's halloween costume, and there's an SCA event between here and there that I need to put together a few things and ...and... That's when I noticed that the replacement belt had bits of the outer plastic crumbling off. I continued through the shirt and found I was having trouble getting the machine to work, the belt wasn't able to maintain the tension needed to run the machine. uuurggghhhh!!!! Fortunately, the local shop believes they have the belt I need in stock and my son has the time off to go and take the picture of the machine and the bad belt in to get the right replacement, so everything should work out just fine. It's just that I had a belt that lasted for at least 25 years, probably 55 years and a simple replacement only lasted 8 months. And those 8 months weren't heavy usuage months either. alex taking a deep breath and getting ready to finish that Waffenrock tonight, so everything should be fine... -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 8 10:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m98ENCJD025061 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:23:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98EMtqS020358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m98EMVid084972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98EMVvX001048; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98EMSmI000946 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W28 ([65.55.138.63]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:22:23 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:22:23 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2008 14:22:23.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[480337B0:01C92951] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd0a0372-ad57-4be7-a849-b57884600a88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48ECC23F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am glad to see that I am not the only one that :1.) Sews on vintage machines (almost exclusively)2.) Can't get dates straight3.) Always over committed when it comes to costuming.4.) Can justify one more book or "butt load" of fabric.I just had a vintage machine "revelation" - I bought a 1960's vintage Kenmore a few years back because it was very much like the one my dad taught me to sew on. It is a solid workhorse.Problem was it had a "removable" piece on the throat plate which allowed you to sew with just a "hole" straight stitching or a slot for zig zagging. The thing rattled around and I broke tons of pins and needles, and finally just knocked the whole machine out of whack. (After I had just brought it home from the shop for its annual maintenance.)I joined a sewing machine repair yahoo group hoping for someone to tell me there was a solid throat plate replacement. All I got back was a bunch of admonishment for sewing over pins. Grrrr.Then today, some blessed p! erson wrote me privately to inform me that that I had the removable plate in upside down....and that once I turned it over, I could sew over pins without a problem!!! I have been vindicated!!!! "Sew" Yes I understand you perfectly Alex!! We are two peas in a pod!Sg> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:06:10 -0500> From: garbaholic@gmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine woes> > Just because I know that most of you will understand I am whining here.> > Earlier this year on my 1952 vinatage Pfaff sewing machine I noted the> belt was separating, not surprising when you consider it was last> replaced prior to 1980, if ever. I looked up a place on line and> ordered a replacement, and my separating belt continued to work in the> meantime. I installed the new wone when it arrived and everything was> good without a break in usage. This weekend when I was pressed for> time when I found the four piece ensemble for my son's renn faire> excursion was due next wee! kend, not next month as I had thought, and I> have a another s! uch ensemble for a friend's halloween costume, and> there's an SCA event between here and there that I need to put> together a few things and ...and... That's when I noticed that the> replacement belt had bits of the outer plastic crumbling off. I> continued through the shirt and found I was having trouble getting the> machine to work, the belt wasn't able to maintain the tension needed> to run the machine.> > uuurggghhhh!!!! Fortunately, the local shop believes they have the> belt I need in stock and my son has the time off to go and take the> picture of the machine and the bad belt in to get the right> replacement, so everything should work out just fine. It's just that> I had a belt that lasted for at least 25 years, probably 55 years and> a simple replacement only lasted 8 months. And those 8 months weren't> heavy usuage months either.> > alex> taking a deep breath and getting ready to finish that Waffenrock> tonight, so everything should be fine...> > -- > "I'm buy! ing this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you> know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood,> injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's> Friday..." ;)> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 8 11:09:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m98F9nr7026691 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:09:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98F9fbt029135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m98F8g6d088675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:08:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98F8eFB046698; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98F8ZBv046444 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W46 ([65.55.138.81]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:08:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:08:30 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2008 15:08:30.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[B957C380:01C92957] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 087bfadd-85b2-4ec9-b7cc-01f66553861a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48ECCD35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry about the previous post....it ran everything together. I know I wouldn't have read it that way! From: wickedfrau@msn.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:22:23 -0700 I am glad to see that I am not the only one that : Sews on vintage machines (almost exclusively) Can't get dates straight Always over committed when it comes to costuming.Can justify one more book or "butt load" of fabric. I just had a vintage machine "revelation" - I bought a 1960's vintage Kenmore a few years back because it was very much like the one my dad taught me to sew on. It is a solid workhorse. Problem was it had a "removable" piece on the throat plate which allowed you to sew with just a "hole" straight stitching or a slot for zig zagging. The thing rattled around and I broke tons of pins and needles, and finally just knocked the whole machine out of whack. (After I had just brought it home from the shop for its annual maintenance.) I joined a sewing machine repair yahoo group hoping for someone to tell me there was a solid throat plate replacement. All I got back was a bunch of admonishment for sewing over pins. Grrrr. Then today, some blessed person wrote me privately to inform me that that I had the removable plate in upside down....and that once I turned it over, I could sew over pins without a problem!!! I have been vindicated!!!! "Sew" Yes I understand you perfectly Alex!! We are two peas in a pod! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 8 12:33:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m98GXp9N030945 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:33:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98GXfkH020567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m98GXExL095795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98GXCjG038396; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m98GX9wR038346 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0782D96031C; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:31:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:32:16 -0700 Message-ID: <8CF14F84588E4E1793053DD841C2A011@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AckpTx4L8zcPwAj+Ruu7V8A2DSC4jgAFBHsg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcbe2ad6-6041-467b-8d33-f77d91e814c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48ECE0E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:33:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like the belt was defective, or maybe had some oil on it . I seem to remember that oil can break down rubber. Worth looking into, maybe check that you don't have oil dripping onto the belt inside the machine. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine woes Just because I know that most of you will understand I am whining here. Earlier this year on my 1952 vinatage Pfaff sewing machine I noted the belt was separating, not surprising when you consider it was last replaced prior to 1980, if ever. I looked up a place on line and ordered a replacement, and my separating belt continued to work in the meantime. I installed the new wone when it arrived and everything was good without a break in usage. This weekend when I was pressed for time when I found the four piece ensemble for my son's renn faire excursion was due next weekend, not next month as I had thought, and I have a another such ensemble for a friend's halloween costume, and there's an SCA event between here and there that I need to put together a few things and ...and... That's when I noticed that the replacement belt had bits of the outer plastic crumbling off. I continued through the shirt and found I was having trouble getting the machine to work, the belt wasn't able to maintain the tension needed to run the machine. uuurggghhhh!!!! Fortunately, the local shop believes they have the belt I need in stock and my son has the time off to go and take the picture of the machine and the bad belt in to get the right replacement, so everything should work out just fine. It's just that I had a belt that lasted for at least 25 years, probably 55 years and a simple replacement only lasted 8 months. And those 8 months weren't heavy usuage months either. alex taking a deep breath and getting ready to finish that Waffenrock tonight, so everything should be fine... -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 9 22:00:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A20OeU007276 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:00:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A1wxSp013229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A1wEMv026243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A1wBKW015563; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A1w92c015539 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so275876rvb.11 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:58:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=J+xMUheaITkZCP0+at4fBRJMqXdldyrU1c0sUmpE5j0=; b=UnChFiUN4BQZJg5pSzcn5DKlUsf5XtQdwHBvI2KmBEmAjZ8tuUn7oia58uSfUceJLt /UOtcpJHIYMWASnw55iipDUG99nZfGbo7LYo897g5BphgeugTm/Oco/Vpvr+wb8x+QoM p4mLulrXejWHUJUriEGrDHodMEyh4iroWWlKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jsWNWxVoKtbD57+DSzACS4cNY7sYzYkjrBIZKE2tYFnII9EuZrJ5supn/jSGit9d3o TT/YN55IzUZHNuLfBuv58Ksm/b1MMHXMp6QsEnSLSj02DgsqeyZ+pPVSeSIGoIknHD/K yXcjSIP8pYxazVjKLfPjF1rMbNDNJc+ruGStI= Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr682348rvo.53.1223603889219; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.49.2 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90810091858s1f3a27c5hf1df08d24bc49c2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:58:09 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081003103437.SM03372@209.131.83.40> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081003103437.SM03372@209.131.83.40> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8074c99b-f22e-4e5f-9085-c10d35de39cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48EEB6E3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mine has a beautiful black (sparkly beaded) strapless ball gown with a broken zip... I need to get into a store and get a 22" zip for her... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 9 22:39:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A2doFL008888 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:39:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A2dhxO004847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A2dPUd028151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A2dPpf039110; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A2dNMx039095 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so112456yxb.71 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mhWlvBmmglY3F5qU9OT8gxxrc0Mo2R3dR10z3I6ip10=; b=b6641f20/PqT0s/VH8Dv85m5QM9kLgINyYAvHpiZ24iXkxy08GuLrvrVgc2j459tLH sO/bCDyDzNZ8Fd2BVZk6Xv3VTjLaGzl/SvlLLpTySjCIE8VKYgEf1eLU8fIScGEtw9Bc RO6DVFNch9T61hCC6RBpR8hVJOu78FbvuclMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ainlVxYjcpWuBV1EBJqwjzKnFDkTKBNthJWdIm/4J43fI0H4kUjQcPK3c2wk+kDGhd 4iqkgFrEaVyO+0+OXyWiA4r/KGcb/5LsDBTr6Rf79Z2ug9Am/Vu3o+qSGOv80zwVVfex r2eBkDEuouYsk9bOz78+v0sOT95UEHYdYdRlA= Received: by 10.90.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr920910agb.25.1223606363250; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590810091939of9f4b8cl3ebd371943157a52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:39:23 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8CF14F84588E4E1793053DD841C2A011@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> <8CF14F84588E4E1793053DD841C2A011@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 941380d4-3258-4b02-974d-aad3d14594b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48EEC06F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And the saga continues... I've checked the replacement belt and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of oil, I'm guessing that the plastic may have been old and that's why it fell apart so quickly. There's no telling how long it's been sitting on the shelf before I received it. The local shop thought that the belt might have been too tight and that's why it went bad so fast so they gave my son a belt a little larger... too large it turns out, didn't make any tension to the proper parts, so he took it back and got another belt. This belt seemed to be right, but there was some issue with it working, the mechanisms in the machine, not the motor, were not turning. It was funny because I looked down on the floor and found the original belt that I had replaced last March - that I couldn't find two days ago. I compared it to the new belt and noted that while the outside of the belt was the same size, the inside of the belts weren't, so I put the old belt on, and then cleaned out the thread that had gotten wrapped around inside of the upper mechanism and I have a happy sewing machine... with the orignal belt. I think I'm going to take the old belt to some place like an auto supply place because this belt has more in common with those than these plastic teeth things that I've gotten lately. That is, after I sew the waffenrock tonight and have my first costume crisis of the month over with... alex On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Sounds like the belt was defective, or maybe had some oil on it . I seem to > remember that oil can break down rubber. Worth looking into, maybe check > that you don't have oil dripping onto the belt inside the machine. > > > Just because I know that most of you will understand I am whining here. > > Earlier this year on my 1952 vinatage Pfaff sewing machine I noted the belt > was separating, not surprising when you consider it was last replaced prior ..... That's when I noticed that > the replacement belt had bits of the outer plastic crumbling off. I > continued through the shirt and found I was having trouble getting the > machine to work, the belt wasn't able to maintain the tension needed to run > the machine. > > uuurggghhhh!!!! Fortunately, the local shop believes they have the belt I > need in stock and my son has the time off to go and take the picture of the > machine and the bad belt in to get the right replacement, so everything > should work out just fine. It's just that I had a belt that lasted for at > least 25 years, probably 55 years and a simple replacement only lasted 8 > months. And those 8 months weren't heavy usuage months either. > > alex > taking a deep breath and getting ready to finish that Waffenrock tonight, so > everything should be fine... > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 00:56:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A4tx9o013518 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:55:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A4tp9N001460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:55:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A4oU3c034892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A4oSGn014040; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A4oOX6013963 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QmoR1a00h1HpZEsA9sqKy5; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:50:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QsqG1a007047Ly08asqHqr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:50:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mk685eYsAAAA:8 a=-8DtBjeiNVGoboNukQoA:9 a=cCZtIHY2lBK5EsMJnicA:7 a=LNBLGY4eg5BPaokpxbk78zPh7tcA:4 a=6u6wRSRleCYA:10 a=M7kaOWyFysUA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=CWCjtZPM4nkbcJbwqTsA:9 a=D-4r1aMPQphDSW6vd1gA:7 a=GJe8dWCvcguBJdcg25cJx_qA5QQA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:50:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5620ca45-4006-4440-ae0f-27ba64b4d495 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48EEE058.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:55:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I was reading Mme. d"Aulnoy's Princess Mayblossom (I have kind of a thing for the whole 13th-fairy figure) and in this version http:// www.surlalunefairytales.com/authors/aulnoy/1892/ princessmayblossom.html, the fairies who were invited to the baby's birth were promised quite the gift bag: > And to reward them for their trouble, they were promised a > hongreline (Note 1) of blue velvet, a skirt of amaranth velvet, and > slippers of crimson satin, a pair of little gilden scissors, and a > case full of fine needles. Note 1 says a hongreline is a Hungarian coat. A little further poking on the Web suggests it was a fur-lined or fur-trimmed justaucorps. I have found a couple of pictures of a military/men's version, but have not tracked down the female version that seems most likely to be of interest to skirt-wearing fairies. The outfit does a kind of spectrum thing, head to toes blue-purple-red (amaranth is a purpleish red). Anyway D'Aulnoy is 17th century, so I am looking for any clues on where to find a picture of a woman's 17th century hongreline. Any advice would be most helpful. No wonder the disinvited fairy was angry -- gilden scissors and a case full of fine needles! Later on the queen is so grateful she gives the fairies ribbons, too, "which they loved". These fairies sound kind of like costumers... Thank you! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 01:18:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A5IgQu014276 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:18:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A5IbAd018871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:18:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A5IDQB036101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A5IAhw031672; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A5I6Xg031589 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:18:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QtHM1a0010x6nqcA2tJ1UY; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:18:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QtHz1a002047Ly08YtJ0F1; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:18:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1H9Snf5j04apaM-ubYA:9 a=qGGrIAthyY6yeVPA6XjwUkyslNIA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=zxxVM3CWV3sA:10 a=Pvf3lsrul1mrywAcQakA:9 a=yv-XWrfKxnGDbP9kdjIA:7 a=cL05i3UL-JlzR0BOVfrBDparH9cA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:17:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] More on hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ac571f2-f1a7-45f9-8924-e8a4e200a0e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48EEE5AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Looking further at sites in French, I find that the hongreline was a jacket with long skirts that was closed in front and close-fitting. Still no picture though! Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 04:35:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A8Z0sN002020 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:35:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A8YrCT003345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:34:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A8YSSW046317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A8YPvO058991; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9A8YMXE058898 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37335 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 08:34:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N1v09d7MwwhMDGCrQrrMDARVOo50cOZ7V5PLx+l1Y5lUeZtvMmd5oZPhXRIM9EoQkzICJIwHM0CuXO8rt7NHs22Ooj81R6McfxBCTf/aFe9jWa8RSe47OhLf3HRSLEFarkwQJOc8lOGnwsAKQ1SEG7dkSTiCURnRkZw16ad+23M=; Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:34:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <674184e90810091858s1f3a27c5hf1df08d24bc49c2b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <562023.36919.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8c0cf53-c6f9-4415-a7a7-a40e32c82814 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48EF13AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:34:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've just finished two silk corsets, one 1876 and one from the beginning of the 17th century, a reproduction of the Dorothea corset: http://www.sartor.wz.cz/images/1876%20corset.jpg http://www.sartor.wz.cz/images/dorothea%20bodies.jpg The straps of the Dorothea corset are a real pain, next time I make tie-on straps. I didn't make any tabs, because I just couldn't figure out how to attach them to the corset to make it look good from the outside as well as inside. I just didn't know how to continue with the bias binding there. Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 05:08:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9A98xCE014057 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:08:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9A98r3t018188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9A98W9t047887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A98W3R079428; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9A98S8N079314 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K8I00KJGMPXZIB1@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:08:19 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <562023.36919.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? 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Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 06:08:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AA8Bt9017189 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:08:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AA85jK009663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AA7jLP050176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AA7h3v014518; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AA7djj014474 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A29694D9 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:07:38 +1100 (EST) Received: from CPE-124-180-5-135.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-124-180-5-135.vic.bigpond.net.au [124.180.5.135]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:07:44 +1100 Message-ID: <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:07:44 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b9d3142-b3cf-4f31-9250-58c7ca649087 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48EF2985.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:08:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I found the following in a quick search that was full of non-functioning hotlinks. Hmmph! It does not add much; let me catch up with my assistant and whip her into returning my fashion dictionaries to see what's said. It is odd that there are no easy-to-find pics of the feamle version, it does sound a little like an 18-19th century riding coat sitting tight over the body and flairing for the skirt. -C. The hongreline was a mid-thigh-length surtout or overcoat of the frock style, usually trimmed and/or lined with fur developed and popularized during the mid- 17th Century. Brought from Germany, the hongreline was popular in France during the reign of Louis XIII. The hongreline was both worn by military and civilians. At the end of the reign, a variation on the hongreline developed in the military; a sort of front-buttoned coat with a split in the rear near the hips. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 07:03:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AB3TtM020423 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:03:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AB3KQE031519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:03:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AB2sdE052647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AB2rDQ051586; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.av-mx.com (smtp1.av-mx.com [137.118.16.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AB2orT051548 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from Gilbert (unknown [67.158.170.59]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp1.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38682290AA5 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5658D8BB7EC04F829AA92D7C5EF6235C@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:02:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > My cap, gown and Masters hood from my recent graduation from Seton Hill > University. > Monica > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 07:05:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AB54s1020681 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:05:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AB4xnT001157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AB4j00052713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AB4jJB052707; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.av-mx.com (smtp1.av-mx.com [137.118.16.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AB4fXO052674 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from Gilbert (unknown [67.158.170.59]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp1.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA96E290595 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <562023.36919.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <562023.36919.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:04:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > I've just finished two silk corsets, one 1876 and one from the beginning > of the 17th century, a reproduction of the Dorothea corset: > > http://www.sartor.wz.cz/images/1876%20corset.jpg > http://www.sartor.wz.cz/images/dorothea%20bodies.jpg > > The straps of the Dorothea corset are a real pain, next time I make tie-on > straps. I didn't make any tabs, because I just couldn't figure out how to > attach them to the corset to make it look good from the outside as well as > inside. I just didn't know how to continue with the bias binding there. > > Zuzana > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 10:34:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AEY1qV032697 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:34:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AEXtrC015673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:33:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AEXaJH066179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AEXXaN008605; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AEXTE3008559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AEXT10026737 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:33:29 -0500 Received: from pcp078095pcs.unl.edu (pcp078095pcs.unl.edu [129.93.149.12]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:33:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20081010093329.g2uxdimfq8g8s48o@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:33:29 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfa5b762-fbd9-414c-91c1-612af9314ed7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48EF67D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Quoting stilskin@netspace.net.au: > I found the following in a quick search that was full of non-functioning > hotlinks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 11:02:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AF2BCO001711 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:02:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AF23Kx007190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:02:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AF0Onm068677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AF0ORV035076; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AF0HJ9034862 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W35 ([65.55.138.70]) by bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:00:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:00:11 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2008 15:00:12.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[E554D0D0:01C92AE8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26361d8e-dc1f-4518-8559-7cebdaf493d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48EF6E6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is interesting! I tried to look the word up in the Grimm German Etymo= logical dictionary and didn't find a thing...then it occurred to me that it= probably wasn't spelled the same...as the German word for Hungary is Ungar= n. Still no luck.... The "line" part of the word is probably a derivati= on of "lein" which is a diminutive. So something like "little Hungarian [J= acket]. (Like "br=FCstlein" is the one word for corset/stays) = I will forward the question on to my German costuming list because there ar= e several people there with better resources than I. (I am assuming that w= ill be okay - if not, you can yell at me :).) I will also attempt to find= it in Max Von Boehn's works since I have them in German. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 11:11:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AFBZba002238 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AFA9B1007070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AF9UjE069409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AF9T2B044142; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AF9PP5043972 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R1ob1a00B17dt5G5339L5s; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:09:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R39K1a00K047Ly03Z39KZ2; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:09:19 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VDrwvUlbAAAA:8 a=tgRDpXx1AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=7YB4Tr6ubY6Ys-XZZEIA:9 a=QEsUAbntZh9g59nR798A:7 a=tpiMbgeS_xT9YtRIa6vCeDC-vFkA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=JNBra3gKqTdpuNluVHwA:9 a=ih2QE3lKszoQi9Ietk8A:7 a=kJiw54bqKyCyoJKly3uz2Hre2FkA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> Message-Id: <9EDCC987-6B05-4FD6-BDA6-D392EDD14F8C@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:09:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline, and velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbdbd0d0-b795-452b-9abb-bfaa1aea1e06 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48EF7051.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_SPEC_LEO_CHEM autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! Mike T sent me a note that the 17th century women's version = might be like the bedgown-like garment in Vermeer's Woman Holding a = Balance; the French written sources my online search turned up all = were versions of the one C. sent (below), from which it is hard to = tell if the women's version was loose, as in the Vermeer, or fitted = ("serre=E9 =E0 la taille" seems to mean "close-fitting"; "=E0 grandes = basques" seems to mean "with full skirts", but I am just at the = beginnings of learning to translate historical-fashion French). Some = of the men's military versions look fitted; some look like an attempt = to fit a fur-lined garment, and some seem open, like in the Vermeer. = But what version would be made in blue velvet to appeal to a 17th- = century fairy? ;-) la hongreline, sorte de veste =E0 basques longues agraf=E9e sur le = devant et serr=E9e =E0 la taille. HONGRELINE, s. f. (Gram. & mod.) sorte d'ajustement des femmes, fait = en chemisette =E0 grandes basques. On pr=E9tend qu'il a =E9t=E9 ainsi = appell=E9, parce que l'usage en est venu de Hongrie. So far the only pictures I have found that identify a garment as a = hongreline in the captions or titles are all military, like this one. = Third figure in this picture is an officer in a (presumably military) = hongreline (sorry for the long link, must learn to use tinyURL soon): http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital_dev/ = dgkeysearchdetail.cfm? = trg=3D1&strucID=3D707231&imageID=3D830336&total=3D2&num=3D0&word=3DMusketee= rs%20-- = %20French%20--% = 201600-1699&s=3D3¬word=3D&d=3D&c=3D&f=3D2&k=3D0&lWord=3D&lField=3D&sScop= e=3D&sLevel=3D&sL = abel=3D&imgs=3D20&pos=3D1&e=3Dw Another question while I am here: I've been reading TH Breen's _The = Marketplace of Revolution_ ,which I recommend to anybody doing 18th = Century American historical costume, as to make his case he's = assembled a lot of information from varied sources on the social = connotations of clothing made of imported goods. Among the materials = he quotes are published rants about people dressing above their = station, and the threat to good order represented by maids in chintz. = In at least one of these, the rant-writer is upset that even servant- = girls go about in velvet. I had been under the impression that in = 18th century fashion, velvet was primarily used in men's garments. = Anybody have an example of a woman's velvet anything in the English = colonies of North America in the 1700s? Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:07 AM, stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > I found the following in a quick search that was full of non- = > functioning > hotlinks. Hmmph! It does not add much; let me catch up with my = > assistant and > whip her into returning my fashion dictionaries to see what's said. = > It is odd > that there are no easy-to-find pics of the feamle version, it does = > sound a > little like an 18-19th century riding coat sitting tight over the = > body and > flairing for the skirt. > > -C. > > The hongreline was a mid-thigh-length surtout or overcoat of the = > frock style, > usually trimmed and/or lined with fur developed and popularized = > during the mid- > 17th Century. Brought from Germany, the hongreline was popular in = > France during > the reign of Louis XIII. The hongreline was both worn by military and > civilians. At the end of the reign, a variation on the hongreline = > developed in > the military; a sort of front-buttoned coat with a split in the = > rear near the > hips. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 11:24:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AFOcJ8003290 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:24:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AFOWH1014686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AFOEhe070444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:24:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AFOE5R058653; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:24:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AFOB9L058515 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qyp31a0030QuhwU523PYiC; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:23:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R3Pz1a00E047Ly03N3Pz27; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:23:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=PI6KOW9v3JorXTEF_SgA:9 a=xJLl0mmG2uN7C4Ls3WgA:7 a=9Pm8z-ZSsjDyGBtJBmDUDfvobA0A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=AxSZX-DMXGfm2U4tcKkA:9 a=FfVXlnkbofTIhGf-Wk0A:7 a=sibVUfMabJdxdIirqjNf_uSns3oA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> Message-Id: <117A6A94-F493-429A-9AFF-850A9581080D@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:23:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a4719ab-78c2-47b5-866c-4ba5dbe6b397 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48EF73B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:24:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, Saragrace! Please let me know what you find. I am not sure = if the Grimms picked up this fairy tale -- the wikipedia entry on the = Wicked Fairy Godmother points out that Princess Mayblossom has = significant differences from Perrault's and the Grimms' Sleeping = Beauty (the 13th fairy in the D'Aulnoy is called Carabosse, and the = name gets attached to the bad fairy in Tchaikovsky's ballet of = Sleeping Beauty) but the specific description of the gifts intended = for the fairies is something I've only seen in the D'Aulnoy; and thus = the hongreline is only there. I should know this, but is the "-line" ending in French typically = taken from a German "-lein"? I never thought about it before; but = there are so many "-line" endings in French. Crinoline, orpheline, etc. If it helps anything, the military hongreline seems to have turned up = on Swedish troops. Just to throw something else into the etymological = mix. Thank you again! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > This is interesting! I tried to look the word up in the Grimm = > German Etymological dictionary and didn't find a thing...then it = > occurred to me that it probably wasn't spelled the same...as the = > German word for Hungary is Ungarn. Still no luck.... The "line" = > part of the word is probably a derivation of "lein" which is a = > diminutive. So something like "little Hungarian [Jacket]. (Like = > "br=FCstlein" is the one word for corset/stays) > > > I will forward the question on to my German costuming list because = > there are several people there with better resources than I. (I am = > assuming that will be okay - if not, you can yell at me :).) I = > will also attempt to find it in Max Von Boehn's works since I have = > them in German. > > Sg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 14:56:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AIuC6M013852 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:56:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AIu6i0027183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AIodMn093111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AIoaST070780; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9AIoWw7070595 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54882 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 18:50:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=0xqUaz2CW9q65fayaTP3Tq7lDj6b6Dpzxxg2XjUpB7ncLTZ3Vg3ZTVpGx1qLPuQ12Fvg3xxFWdCs1xwY9r2sMWuOKCbrOGtQR6hxh5umpePMTb7Ro92pnYtU1ilt2DJklGlFopIHDVXikzdxQcbSY6M1C5rUWcrD0CztZxaMOpw=; X-YMail-OSG: 8vmV5S0VM1l6Z8vZ59FiPfBeJTCMB2xqyQe_AqHdFB5ipugl755IhlWRNnJcWpsGXpjmQxJ_brnuLEHzA.cHfhjrn4N.DeiCALs_n_v36XTtme13alXuJHti54ojt9xN3kQ- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:50:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <506074.51309.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline, and velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c082f1a-e3f7-4d21-8047-26daf5f807c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48EFA546.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO English and North American, no, but I've seen two portraits of Marie Antoinette wearing what could only be velvet. Perhaps the writer didn't mean an article of clothing in velvet. In my understanding of the phraseology of the time (which is vague at best) "wearing velvet" could just mean a velvet ribbon or somesuch. Claudine ----- Original Message ---- Another question while I am here: I've been reading TH Breen's _The Marketplace of Revolution_ ,which I recommend to anybody doing 18th Century American historical costume, as to make his case he's assembled a lot of information from varied sources on the social connotations of clothing made of imported goods. Among the materials he quotes are published rants about people dressing above their station, and the threat to good order represented by maids in chintz. In at least one of these, the rant-writer is upset that even servant- girls go about in velvet. I had been under the impression that in 18th century fashion, velvet was primarily used in men's garments. Anybody have an example of a woman's velvet anything in the English colonies of North America in the 1700s? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 19:06:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9AN65sb026047 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9AN603P003466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9AN5ND1012073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AN5Fs9012290; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9AN5Bqe012170 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W45 ([65.55.138.80]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.17] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:05:05 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <117A6A94-F493-429A-9AFF-850A9581080D@comcast.net> References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> <117A6A94-F493-429A-9AFF-850A9581080D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2008 23:05:05.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[A218CEE0:01C92B2C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe191735-5e80-4d31-96e4-f0d6541ddf7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48EFDFD8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The dictionary just happens to be a BIG project the Grimm brothers worked o= n. It is still the standard for German etymology. No connection to the fa= iry tales. = I am not sure there is a connection between the line/lein endings...I jus= t thought there might be because someone said that it "was brought back" (f= rom Hungary) by the Germans.... Sometimes you can actually find the connec= tion between the languages because of the similartity. Kind of like verdin= gale and farthingale..... = Here is what my buddy Katherine had to say from the German list: (If you would like the line drawings from the dictionary, I am sure Katheri= ne would oblige) "Not German, French! = = Hongreline (s.f.) La hongreline fut une sorte de surtout port=E9 au d=E9but= du XVIIe si=E9cle par-dessus le pourpoint. Elle =E9tait =E0 peu pr=E8s ajust= =E9e; d'abord les manches, non cousues aux entournures, y =E9taient li=E9es par d= es aiguillettes, puis elles firent corps avec le v=EAtement d'hiver, bord=E9 et m=EAme doubl=E9 de fourrure. Les femmes port=E9rent jusque sous Louis XIV,= des hongrelines =E0 manches et =E0 basques, mais non fourr=E9es." = [Hongreline (feminine) The hongreline was a sort of overdress worn at the beginning of the 17th century over the pourpoint. It was a little tailored, mostly in the sleeves, which were not sewn into the armholes, and were tied in with aglets, added to the body of the garment for winter wear, bordered or even lined with fur. Women wore this into the reign of Louis XIV, with sleeves and skirts, but not furred.] (translation mine) = From: Dictionnaire du costume et de ses accessoires, des armes et des =E9toffes, des origines =E0 nos jours. Achev=E9 et r=E9alis=E9 sous la dire= ction de Andr=E9 Dupuis. Pr=E9f. de G.G.-Toudouze. Author: Leloir, Maurice, 1853-1940. Publication: Paris, Gr=FCnd [1961, c1951] = The Dictionary has some line drawings that will help the person with the query. The garment is similar to: = http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BRGPOD/259768~Constantijn-Huyg= ens-Posters.jpg = The red garments here are also similar: http://www.artsmia.org/mia/e_images/10/mia_10450e.jpg = SG, drop me a note off line if you want more details. = Katherine" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 19:21:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9ANKokL026616 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:20:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ANJLUb030134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9ANIn4l012811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ANImWU021562; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ANIjj9021474 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RBFc1a00C17UAYkA2BJg0a; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:18:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RBJe1a002047Ly08ZBJfBH; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:18:40 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3rccqKyEAAAA:8 a=ta8Hv9M6AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=zmYiiG20xFbWZSBgODoA:9 a=uIMjnaUOLXaK_-ye0t8A:7 a=DFVY9eoIG3_U16ja0hgc7tZxmxoA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=qVkvW35oyBH3xRefDPIA:9 a=n4pu9IWfHCU2wSOh0hkA:7 a=_PpW6PTHuz6fV9gh32aoaPXnm2kA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3F1EDB4D-653A-4FF7-B121-EC30F347FB64@comcast.net> <1223633264.48ef2970827e2@webmail.netspace.net.au> <117A6A94-F493-429A-9AFF-850A9581080D@comcast.net> Message-Id: <7D7D3EAF-BF49-406F-A863-4C9C514EB77A@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hongreline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b26b0e5-1a9f-4e08-aa18-b3ef2c222ee6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48EFE2F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is great! Thank you. I appreciate getting both the translation = and the original; it helps me learn the French historical-fashion = vocabulary. And finally a definition that is aware of both the men's = and the women's versions, and explains the fur and not-fur. I would = like the line drawings if they are not too much trouble. Thank you also for the background on the Grimms' dictionary. This is = something I should have known, and now I do! Thanks again, Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > The dictionary just happens to be a BIG project the Grimm brothers = > worked on. It is still the standard for German etymology. No = > connection to the fairy tales. > > I am not sure there is a connection between the line/lein = > endings...I just thought there might be because someone said that = > it "was brought back" (from Hungary) by the Germans.... Sometimes = > you can actually find the connection between the languages because = > of the similartity. Kind of like verdingale and farthingale..... > > Here is what my buddy Katherine had to say from the German list: > (If you would like the line drawings from the dictionary, I am sure = > Katherine would oblige) > "Not German, French! > > > Hongreline (s.f.) La hongreline fut une sorte de surtout port=E9 au = > d=E9but du > XVIIe si=E9cle par-dessus le pourpoint. Elle =E9tait =E0 peu pr=E8s ajus= t=E9e; > d'abord les manches, non cousues aux entournures, y =E9taient li=E9es = > par des > aiguillettes, puis elles firent corps avec le v=EAtement d'hiver, = > bord=E9 et > m=EAme doubl=E9 de fourrure. Les femmes port=E9rent jusque sous Louis = > XIV, des > hongrelines =E0 manches et =E0 basques, mais non fourr=E9es." > > [Hongreline (feminine) The hongreline was a sort of overdress worn = > at the > beginning of the 17th century over the pourpoint. It was a little > tailored, mostly in the sleeves, which were not sewn into the = > armholes, > and were tied in with aglets, added to the body of the garment for = > winter > wear, bordered or even lined with fur. Women wore this into the = > reign of > Louis XIV, with sleeves and skirts, but not furred.] (translation = > mine) > > From: Dictionnaire du costume et de ses accessoires, des armes et des > =E9toffes, des origines =E0 nos jours. Achev=E9 et r=E9alis=E9 sous la = > direction de > Andr=E9 Dupuis. Pr=E9f. de G.G.-Toudouze. > Author: Leloir, Maurice, 1853-1940. > Publication: Paris, Gr=FCnd [1961, c1951] > > The Dictionary has some line drawings that will help the person = > with the > query. The garment is similar to: > > http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BRGPOD/ = > 259768~Constantijn-Huygens-Posters.jpg > > The red garments here are also similar: > http://www.artsmia.org/mia/e_images/10/mia_10450e.jpg > > SG, drop me a note off line if you want more details. > > Katherine" > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 10 21:18:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9B1Ijpl000810 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:18:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9B1IdPq018411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9B1I5nr019871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9B1I3M0096250; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9B1HxKV096089 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K8J000S5VLMNU01@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:17:46 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <5658D8BB7EC04F829AA92D7C5EF6235C@Gilbert> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:18:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:03 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Congratulations on your graduation, Monica! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > My cap, gown and Masters hood from my recent graduation from Seton Hill > University. > Monica > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 15:31:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9BJVZcj027715 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9BJVTrD023441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:31:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9BJV2Fh086661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:31:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BJUxrh045629; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BJUto1045569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9BJUm6x027310 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:30:55 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Signature Line: was> sewing machine woes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25ccf41f-009d-4cd2-ad1f-47410ed43b1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F0FF11.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:31:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Glad to know that the belt problem was solved. Wanted you to know that I love your sig line so much I want to use it too! (Do you want credit?). It is way too accurate. I'm sitting here if front of a pile of 8 new books, one of which is a duplicate that I know I will NEED for a present and the others are simply because I may have a century to read they sometime. Besides. They aren't going to be any cheaper! Regina > > -- > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness, flood, > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's > Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 15:45:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9BJjCa5028969 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:45:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9BJj7ni017257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9BJirNu087355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BJirr7056852; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BJipPj056816 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so310724ywe.71 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WnwuqEAr0a6LuKi3t5QGJe0zwfJGNrDiRDpNVXytDdQ=; b=ZjaXbzZX3z6MgePbJqGn/49SXcQtvI30p3UCDw1ObdO7JePljTb8HntMUunXrxDtDk ratWwD7pIYOjxgkFbR6cSsroiwcDfgncKT3KAqKI+IF45GJ7X6m19waRfyI32W0ZJw6v cLjgGfUwUsCY68nAiYFem10iD6XcL4v7oumBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sTMIbHu66WC41VJK2Kg5a2nZooRkpnVsxyKwuXKyrcqpPvetBAkCPBnJZJeOaHlmZx x0DsQhIwj0a95WgNR6Oak5Qv2oeTVC0XvBSUQnm7Cl+tg3b6F/n1Kf0mjDYKYrLWALRO uSTFlt6GRiq2ntHAOVx/dQpG8YisxNJM57XOw= Received: by 10.90.30.2 with SMTP id d2mr3548855agd.6.1223754291173; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590810111244p1aeefe5cm8552200a3c2b7b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:44:51 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590810080706ycf7b32cl6d1c183b5e282bf6@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Signature Line: was> sewing machine woes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dd5acce-1909-465e-add8-639460eca08f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F10243.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks you, actually I borrowed it from another, originally it was only about fabric, and had something about chocolate emergencies in there, something I don't have a problem with and books are required almost as much as fabric around here. The waffenrock is done, though after this weekend I want to add some trim to it, it just needs a little something, and my son did like the idea of a really large codpiece that I didn't have time to make this week... Now I'm working on a redress of a pocelan doll, to be a purple and black witch on a broom of violets, a soft sculpture ghost for the haunted house and a couple of banners, so it's a major play weekend, Yay! alex happy to be making things for her family On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Wanda Pease wrote: > Glad to know that the belt problem was solved. > > Wanted you to know that I love your sig line so much I want to use it too! > (Do you want credit?). It is way too accurate. I'm sitting here if front > of a pile of 8 new books, one of which is a duplicate that I know I will > NEED for a present and the others are simply because I may have a century to > read they sometime. Besides. They aren't going to be any cheaper! > > Regina >> >> -- >> "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you >> know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness, flood, >> injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's >> Friday..." ;) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 19:55:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9BNttsE021158 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:55:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9BNtlPG008836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9BNtOll098284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BNtKmO044291; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9BNtJu4044269 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so731130wra.23 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=nVdXi3hmOrPvoAa+6xz/DWGn+sjzyvyk2EoFXlwwiic=; b=MRdmJDqw2x1A4+ejNtzjXvY9CbshrAG9hBujtkJ1V7ULWc39jrpIDT6HZzJ4E6qhKE K/nAdkeRjA9solg41YWo2o6cCjrUGsjo6kIHw2QaU+0PzWEXOx1lSMnqW7/r69ey2mp5 J6x7AqhH6boCX7VSX/ndjUnRCuiWnM2UMZpUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XevncbDjv3Za4l3+v/FANkEv4EN4ydYzf39mThhu9J/4O8sjoswqouc5dstZmBEq/p wOONwMPwmiWN/989QdZXOGkTXcO2A6qyz+vBML0Jf6HU5rR2ruJ8+7KwnRVBmCLcCQ6i gp2MEllUl6rmrxWNnSXVcVUWRD/dMORSFJdWk= Received: by 10.65.137.5 with SMTP id p5mr6576761qbn.50.1223769317672; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.10 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:55:17 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63443a98-7239-4832-89f5-90b28c9cf941 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48F13D03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley about 1566. http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg Now the question is, what is the 'bodice" bit, really? It always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about htis painting or this garment? No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 21:26:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C1Qb2U030304 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:26:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C1P8VV032637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C1OYvL001972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C1OW3U091070; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9C1OTKv091030 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 23250 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 18:23:21 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23227, pid: 23248, t: 0.1488s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO Alfheim) (216.93.209.50) by smtp2 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 18:23:21 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <8E507B64C2A24A7AB547625233D48D45@Alfheim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ackr/SCTyXdO2qtmRfKI/cuq3hvyGgADBsUg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7155839a-5e94-417e-b4f8-fb8b77df8964 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48F151F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:25:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It looks like netting to me. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley about 1566. http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg Now the question is, what is the 'bodice" bit, really? It always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about htis painting or this garment? No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 22:10:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C2ApMV003057 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:10:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C2Ajiw008601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:10:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C2AP8O003990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C2AOgr014744; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C2AMOJ014659 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081012021012.JJQQ3214.mta21.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:10:12 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081012021011.NKSR128.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:10:11 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ackr/OfzOiANtMAaTlCqdRjTorsINgAEmI4w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 464a68bc-09e7-4107-9d94-e2bd9584fcc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F15CA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:10:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think that she is just wearing a loose kirtle and gown, like what is in Janet Arnold. I have a picture of me while 7-8 months pregnant in a loose kirtle & overgown based on that pattern (actually a Margo Anderson pattern based on the Janet Arnold...), and I think it's a pretty similar silhouette. I don't have a place to post the photo online, but I can send it to you, if you would like to compare. ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:55 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes > > At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley > about 1566. > http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg > > Now the question is, what is the 'bodice" bit, really? It > always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is > it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about > htis painting or this garment? > > No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) > > > MaggiRos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 23:21:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C3LDrx010867 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:21:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C3L7Tl018490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:21:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C3Kcfa007098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C3KYr9053949; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C3KV0g053913 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC77D2F24F for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:20:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0539114-f9e6-4238-b436-cb96d4e75ef3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F16D24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:21:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This appears to be a kirtle and loose gown. Perhaps the material was embroidered and then cut on the bias. De -----Original Message----- At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley about 1566. http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg Now the question is, what is the 'bodice" bit, really? It always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about htis painting or this garment? No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 11 23:33:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C3XN6k012207 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:33:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C3XI8I021270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C3S1tk007346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C3S1WY057207; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9C3RwKh057148 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98536 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 03:27:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=yQYFgy9mwyb+QQo85OgZEUJ3NxMMteAhPGTHkaoo5a5tw0dp5jnpeR2Zp+95BceH0/mbswuA5kY5qjzB2GwTAoTigUsV0abX7JImTKTKuJPJKjdB3rTPgjagXgkgr3sZFg8mg9wXR/s9T+BtR9izNBc47G01hqC/TG01XdJoZuc=; X-YMail-OSG: ZDfv_L4VM1mr002g3_i9NUwvPJbAlTIfRa4vR6kl8SjEidH5MTnPDHafu2aaw.2zssfEVQHLA8P_5N5RdCEBI.B0Luda6Ep4DNYc3L3PtQJhgM5nGPcZdt7VI2cFEi9U9080CqZxefG51dao7qr11Od5ui4- Received: from [76.182.52.95] by web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:27:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 205846fd-f7ea-49df-99e8-b4a57e1282c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F16FFE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have been up way too long trying to keep the new kitten and the even newer puppy from kiling each other so please excuse the vagueries. I beliebe there is a Hans holbein portrait of Thomas Moore?and his family?mostly women ...and at least one if not two of the wome if I amnot mistaken , are obviously pregnant and seem to have slit ther gowns p the fron and then laced it to allow for the growing tummy... i is 11:30 here so please corret me if im wrong.. l Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: From: Rebecca Schmitt Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 10:10 PM I think that she is just wearing a loose kirtle and gown, like what is in Janet Arnold. I have a picture of me while 7-8 months pregnant in a loose kirtle & overgown based on that pattern (actually a Margo Anderson pattern based on the Janet Arnold...), and I think it's a pretty similar silhouette. I don't have a place to post the photo online, but I can send it to you, if you would like to compare. ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:55 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes > > At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley > about 1566. > http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg > > Now the question is, what is the 'bodice" bit, really? It > always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is > it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about > htis painting or this garment? > > No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) > > > MaggiRos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 00:24:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C4OEtf017813 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C4O8e1011482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C4Nghf009616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C4Negp086247; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4e.socket.net [216.106.48.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C4Nbn3086220 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:23:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCB7978C96 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:23:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:23:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d058edd4-efa5-45ef-8618-d1b598e55811 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F17BE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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De -----Original Message----- I beliebe there is a Hans holbein portrait of Thomas Moore?and his family?mostly women ...and at least one if not two of the wome if I amnot mistaken , are obviously pregnant and seem to have slit ther gowns p the fron and then laced it to allow for the growing tummy... i is 11:30 here so please corret me if im wrong.. l Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 00:53:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C4rmDd020980 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:53:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C4rg9U005673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:53:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C4rMK5010764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C4rML1001491; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C4rK3o001474 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so779699wra.23 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:53:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dDpiyE9SeYdy5PkIQlr1hh0MWZ11E8DZPsxm68rg7qc=; b=QIYS/mxQ5DTzvrojlEBjLuGUSfuJIMVPfYzIMRMGy4cdhV2JE1F+LbMvi9VimYAx8a NS2o0Z1pQ+/ZxeTAZvCmgQ7Xo32dZ5LDQpb1hKtxDpXVfRVlHa5OQAvkS/m3bhLiMX+u oEOwu/WrCRo5hmP1wLoDLplp+ry0IRjCw8rqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qMsq3Va/RMbFO5aTj8MvsNVOWR0Xyba7SHIXj44mx0ClfhKy+3leWDbzdYhphiiwHX ZBZtO/lbTHoqqUDagmOch9UU/rVbqJy+9S021xU8u4+Bo4/QI1+wHu5L1Cty40EfviG3 JsveY+vAx+kTaMRmFqVOKE9dSuuctrEBr50lU= Received: by 10.65.44.11 with SMTP id w11mr5237874qbj.99.1223787199006; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.10 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:53:18 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a8fcb70-7a48-4042-931f-dc2a467da574 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F182D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The More women hadn't slit their dresses. It's just the early/mid-century style.They were made to lace that way. What the picture shows is the lacing without the stomacher or (over) gown. For a pregnant woman at home, it must have been much more comfortable. Here's an Elizabethan noblewoman (1595) in maternity. (Why would you have your picture painted at this stage!?) http://picasaweb.google.com/Designs121/ElizabethanCostume#5121609088447398002 But it's a different style (a couple decades earlier) than Lady Burghley's kirtle and gown. what confuses me is the embrodered or whatever top part of the kirtle and how it just stops. MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:23 PM, otsisto wrote: > Yes, two women but the More painting is earlier then her painting. The > style > of the dresses are different. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > I beliebe there is a Hans holbein portrait of Thomas Moore?and his > family?mostly women ...and at least one if not two of the wome if I amnot > mistaken , are obviously pregnant and seem to have slit ther gowns p the > fron and then laced it to allow for the growing tummy... > i is 11:30 here so please corret me if im wrong.. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 01:42:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C5gNcX025930 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:42:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C5gHjd003166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C5g191012668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C5fxrR029362; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C5ftDS029323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.21] (dial-209-148-101-21.sonic.net [209.148.101.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9C5fbG5003300 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: <48F18E0D.2040407@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:41:33 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c04e356-42a0-4f18-8d05-2406021c4ca6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F18E39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maggie wrote: > The More women hadn't slit their dresses. It's just the early/mid-century > style.They were made to lace that way. What the picture shows is the lacing > without the stomacher or (over) gown. For a pregnant woman at home, it must > have been much more comfortable. > > Here's an Elizabethan noblewoman (1595) in maternity. (Why would you have > your picture painted at this stage!?) To record that you were fulfilling one of your most important duties, that of creating heirs for the family. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 02:27:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9C6RY8Q031791 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:27:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9C6RSbU014047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9C6R95i014077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C6R7PG048374; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9C6R43Y048352 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KouPu3a1h-0005LP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:27:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19fF6YQP34teWb3A+eIPxz9mHnMhgNkQDSu0oC UiFnWmPWqpcR6mpAEp4E9f1qEI8GMrIOlYFN6/lbXzmj7wyuRa BiIh/gvoJIkiW/YwTjRQw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5b50fed-83c2-46fe-9dc8-bde47d30c59e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F198D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:27:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know that Herni W. Bendel is a present day store. But in 1917 would he have been a fashion designer? I have an article in a Harper's from 1917 with fashion plates by this person. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 13:04:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9CH4DIf015197 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:04:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9CH2mff023919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9CH27Tq046878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CH24R0001260; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CH239X001246 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so876525wra.23 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tHs6DKVPLyvDXfV6YXHb1PlcTPrj+HYJRi5CoaC/bhc=; b=kH84K4VvRQAdC6/HUoN9s80UKw9/neJSoq/zvHjF6hJEdqgJ6mhNNnA5uWBffDwKin qrH7ex/BmFu2foZJTHHdK5vhL4tvBkeqMGNKTOtKBp/L5H2b6AhKptByF15HS0ll/mrU G6Yy5bnBK6p5Me0dc80j3dlIWjkYg+G3tw5XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=iAXhYMiW2/RN+mAdqmi2Lo/29E6KMj82pnFbE19PmdqoUHWkTqu5kcseaDPF66EldQ 2Kj4sFD5ct/d/g4PLRn1cw6ZBCeTu2uzvrP4ewJyuIgdIkVSoh77s+9XvvTPvzjD1WeF FXH7RVqA2gvJQ0EkBxu5rPL2+jZzSLHAKx7So= Received: by 10.64.76.15 with SMTP id y15mr6562813qba.92.1223830923035; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.10 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:02:02 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <48F18E0D.2040407@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <48F18E0D.2040407@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26947fa2-3546-4c14-990d-2707364742ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48F22DB8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That must be it. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > > > Maggie wrote: > >> Here's an Elizabethan noblewoman (1595) in maternity. (Why would you have >> your picture painted at this stage!?) >> > > To record that you were fulfilling one of your most important duties, that > of creating heirs for the family. > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 14:06:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9CI6OQU022967 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9CI6JKS014497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:06:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9CI5oX8050928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI5mMo045129; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI5hlv045074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m9CI5dYS006780 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:05:42 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50052.72.13.239.193.1223834742.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <806775.98352.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <48F18E0D.2040407@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 916fb34b-340e-4374-802c-9d9e18e0c7bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F23C9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wonder =97 what were the 16thC attitudes regarding pregnancy? The Victorians were all for hiding it away, and earlier attitudes are sometimes filtered through this. Also I've heard plenty of modern pregnant women complain of looking and feeling fat. But was that the case for 16thC women? -Carol > That must be it. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Lavolta Press > wrote: > >> To record that you were fulfilling one of your most important duties, >> that of creating heirs for the family. >> >> Maggie wrote: >> >>> Here's an Elizabethan noblewoman (1595) in maternity. (Why would you >>> have your picture painted at this stage!?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 16:29:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9CKTuPP029270 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:29:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9CKTpuC028837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9CKTA5L059483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CKT6Kp031244; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9CKT4sI031167 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7470 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 20:28:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZJdo3YLRELASfzQ6Nnrbm6CQZKYu0yNNr+Ps89lP6x+7yH3nzgIY8oy7PNbjpaQLoxTWA06/zFgMOcn1KJ/aGxB6e5Nln3MhST/cXRR+2XfN7rp2cElAQyTj10o3lj8Oyk+zrDO3Ma1YIVpE+g3x8rM15StGAvFi3nWbTJHbuGA=; X-YMail-OSG: IMN0e4cVM1lSJCP7oTjn2kOADL6c7F9cMUKuvtXegEUCGoKt7YVBXpIs3Uqpl4E9qg-- Received: from [205.238.239.185] by web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:28:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <451903.7345.qm@web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6317cab-100c-416e-a4bc-03092d49504a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F25E3F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Check this out: =A0 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_497.htm =A0 Very drool worthy! --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Penny Ladnier wrote: From: Penny Ladnier Subject: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history To: "h-costume" Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 2:27 AM I know that Herni W. Bendel is a present day store. But in 1917 would he ha= ve been a fashion designer? I have an article in a Harper's from 1917 with fashion plates by this person. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 17:13:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9CLDiM6030924 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:13:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9CLCJKq010040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9CLBmGm062049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CLBlWs055357; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CLBi1r055290 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K8N00HGO9JET3Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:11:37 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0333d3e7-bf58-4729-8cde-f145072975c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48F26833.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Henri Bendel was a shopkeeper, like RH Macy and B Altman. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:27 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history I know that Herni W. Bendel is a present day store. But in 1917 would he have been a fashion designer? I have an article in a Harper's from 1917 with fashion plates by this person. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 12 17:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9CLfZ1b031975 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9CLfUZG014340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9CLC0of062088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CLC0J8055515; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CLBi1t055290 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K8N00HGO9JET3Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:11:37 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <48F18E0D.2040407@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c5b48a2-aee8-4afb-bd40-1d11fd3330e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F26F0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Many women were painted while pregnant. Remember-- not only was she doing her duty, but she had a 25% chance of dying while doing it. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes Maggie wrote: > The More women hadn't slit their dresses. It's just the early/mid-century > style.They were made to lace that way. What the picture shows is the lacing > without the stomacher or (over) gown. For a pregnant woman at home, it must > have been much more comfortable. > > Here's an Elizabethan noblewoman (1595) in maternity. (Why would you have > your picture painted at this stage!?) To record that you were fulfilling one of your most important duties, that of creating heirs for the family. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 13 12:53:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9DGr8Bc002795 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:53:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9DGqxC8019455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:53:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DGqYeS038632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DGqUIY083022; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DGqRIM082888 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GeKuWboZycuClmOJWopyg2rdG9xersl6hseRKp/FlKYn+AzpwFh+QkXP9TDTcapM; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.244.30.53] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KpQeZ-0005Lz-RI for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:52:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:52:07 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Lilinah X-ELNK-Trace: 26084e7e73656b25d780f4a490ca6956abb457f1b4332f528a010aafcc10514814072c6c977ac9e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.244.30.53 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Anyone Read Czech? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b767d7b4-6fc3-4723-8306-601e1f8d89d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F37CEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:53:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was wondering if anyone on this list reads Czech. Part of my website is cited in a PDF i found on a Czech website: http://www.kostym.cz/Cesky/4_Odivani/osmane.pdf I can tell the PDF is about some aspect of 16th century Ottoman clothing, but I wonder what the exact title is in English: NASTIN ODEVU V OSMANSKE RISE V 16.STOLETI Ing. Martina Hribova Ph.D. (i removed accent marks since they don't always transfer in e-mail) I also wonder if there's any specific reference in the text to my website (and if it's unfavorable, i'm interested in the details, so i can make improvements). I am not asking for a complete translation. I mean, i'd love one, but i wouldn't expect anyone to go to all that trouble. Please contact me off-list: lilinah (at) earthlink (dot) net Thanks, Anahita SCA: Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 13 15:08:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9DJ8mKW010376 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:08:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9DJ8cE7017235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DJ86PB052692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DJ84B5023539; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.dexmedia.com (relay1.dexmedia.com [199.184.176.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DJ81oE023385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexknows.com) Received: from ([144.163.32.173]) by relay1.dexmedia.com with ESMTP id 5502681.18486312; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:07:07 -0600 Received: from RHDDENMBX02.rhdroot.com ([144.163.32.214]) by rhddenowa01.rhdroot.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:07:20 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:07:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3A79BD6938C5F24DA11C9EAD12A8797D01C9B22F@RHDDENMBX02.rhdroot.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Herni Bendel history Thread-Index: AcktXeUN5nfKnHEvS2WjFEfeAiXVJQACNaFw References: From: "McClure, Kate (DEX-BLV)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2008 19:07:20.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAFFB330:01C92D66] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57cd7884-940b-46e0-adee-ef87d566de7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F39CB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Check this out: ? http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_497.htm ? Very drool worthy! ---------------------------- *drooooool* And those little satin glass beads in rows? I have a *bunch* of those! *starts madly plotting* Kate McClure Anything can be improved with a solid maniacal laugh. - M.E. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 13 15:51:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9DJpO40012941 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:51:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9DJpEhp029425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DJoq11056261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DJopXw064653; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:50:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9DJom4p064456 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 43497 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2008 19:50:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PsgjEszVcVr+e8r/sQVWDc/zHVDUKxmfaEgtJ92X92FIUhhuSWzMel3V9z4JgiEAca3PGPKDcGWhZ709tgjfZhtEMIJtIo2A2Po5nSPDcxl6ptB1WAuuKP5apKS4VXM2F9akkdAe8av4E14tDY1DhrOHbobap/dOjoBoL63XEkM=; X-YMail-OSG: i0AQXu0VM1kRRcgn5RetPcgILU2wQNeWsaTJ92AkLGh7VB_7JF5Ciq5iie2mJGo.ClsSSig.ZKo8K0YCpf_KdtBJETm.rB9kJ.g8sRSBNlw26JKR6SUja6RlIMNyKqY0NYCxLerYHswUr4FKRjD7Xo_apD41aP8xzUvJ8EQl Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:50:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <830642.42525.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone Read Czech? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 874bf824-94ef-4167-8f7f-872d07eef6ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F3A6B2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm sending you an answer off-list:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 13 16:37:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9DKbUPW016075 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:37:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9DKbObQ005902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DKau1h061055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DKaqsh009513; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian2.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9DKamUT009384 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade2@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.132] (kf-ijss-cb01-1455.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.177]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA72427F55 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:36:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48F3B15E.1030907@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:36:46 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4ffd5aa-c50c-4fbe-b01d-c431a55f327b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F3B184.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:37:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well mine are not wearing much. But there is a lot on my worktable. A blue and brown high waisted skirt I need to finish. 6 Bunny winter coats. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/dress/Jasjes.jpg A 19th century corset that needs to be finished before Friday http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/dress/Korset.jpg And a Ball Jointed Doll 19th century dress. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/dress/kerstboom.jpg Still needs sleeves, a berthe and closure. Somewhere there is a Gothic Bunny dress in pieces Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 03:51:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9E7pKd6015650 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:51:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9E7pDgg006703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9E7orsu006693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E7onom061779; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E7oZLQ061643 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Kpefo3hup-0001Zq; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <451903.7345.qm@web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18QSqKclINaN3xxzZe+VEv0tkO+RQKKJbGJJnx zN6S8aH7/rBoTCozcAymXPCvwvlRHlBanSQSf8coxSS8dwi8kx NPLbOulE1q7xHENwtZOlA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Herni Bendel history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae686a0c-91f1-441e-87b2-50dda0db459b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F44F71.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 03:58:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9E7wwio018942 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:58:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9E7wnuG003339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:58:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9E7weJh007227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E7wead065956; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E7wbi1065936 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Kpenc1WWK-0001pG; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:58:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LVcpScBAxhcbYWoCN0EOqyZrlzyKrkCo35Yo qU5CTNlb4y0tTySTKyUhDE8Ck20ns8mj7J9T78v6aYENdm9HW0 09TP7PLa8TqV7Slewc8dw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Baltimore MD: Need Suggestions for Costumes to See X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33a6a5b2-4ff4-41a0-9b23-b5f8a1e199ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48F4513A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:58:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am going to be in Baltimore Maryland next week, Tuesday-Friday. Does anyone have suggestions as to costume related places to visit? I am tagging along with my husband on a business trips, so my days are open to travel around. I live 100 miles south of DC, so I can go there anytime. I generally go to Baltimore once a year and do tourist things with family in tow. This is my first time without my entire family. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 04:07:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9E87MVp020878 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:07:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9E87HPi006922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9E823ZB007403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E823Ha067674; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9E820qh067597 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62274 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2008 08:01:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=aKoZBXR1AJ6AWKT2V5lc+0zSB+Od7bJ43KSx3VsuASZPGrOpsBalCOFLxwTv3f3utIY5y9Hw1fyjkwqsrJU2DhsIPQRB0M6W+d2o4HIuDhTKSoR3EvbpC1pGoEXJ6hmooUu7cmtL2hsXO1HzE4u96q9Dtc37Hptg68fQSdZTrWk=; X-YMail-OSG: DNtr1UsVM1m55q3HWtLrXT0l20p43CSLKgu3_4BziG.87HWHkMO3TqyINnZfWpThaQ-- Received: from [69.106.186.142] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:01:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <317886.62134.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca3dd007-194d-4271-bf48-bd61a30d1682 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48F45335.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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As to why diagonally, I don't know. It is also interesting to my eye that the belt is exactly at the widest portion of her waist, as if to emphasize just how pregnant she is at that point. I remember putting on a girdle to my Tudor gown when I was heavier and hating how it ended up making me look even bigger than I thought I should be, but being fat vs. being proudly pregnant is two different mind sets. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 13:41:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9EHfnox024203 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9EHfhEm022458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:41:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9EHfJco055558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EHfF7Y045136; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EHf9PE045019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Kpnvc-00067t-Fp for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:43:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:43:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] searching for a textiles textbook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65ce4def-8f55-4bf0-99b0-2b4ba2950df9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F4D9D7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 15:24:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9EJOisU028024 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:24:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9EJOcgn008750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:24:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9EJO6UI066447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EJO5gI066938; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EJO2iL066771 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m9EJNtG6019789 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:23:56 GMT Message-ID: <001601c92e32$67058fb0$87efc546@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] searching for a textiles textbook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6261b124-d926-4ca5-a6cc-91a3004fa1c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F4F1F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_REPLY_C,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know if this counts as a textbook, but I think Claire Shaeffer's "Fabric Sewing Guide" has all the information you mentioned. It's a great book! My copy was published by Chilton Book Company in 1989. ISBN: 0-8019-7802-5 Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com I know some of you teach or have taught textile classes, and it is you to whom I come with a request for assistance: I am in the process of writing up a pair of fiber classes (Fibers 101 and 102) and I am looking for a textiles textbook with useful discussions of fiber properties including hand, drape, shrinkage, all that good stuff. I have had Kadolph & Langford's _Textiles_ recommended to me as the one that's used at the U of M(innesota)--are there any others that people might recommend? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 14 21:13:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9F1DRn6011043 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:13:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9F1DL95000803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:13:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9F1Cnvo001201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9F1CiSK094295; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9F1CgKr094218 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K8R00A8SA0V4XX0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:12:29 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] searching for a textiles textbook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a239ce37-96f8-4a31-91b9-15531a9c4871 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F543B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We use the Fairchild Textbook: "Fabric Science", 8th ed. by Price, Cohen, Johnson. Has a workbook with swatches. Pretty technical, but no color pics like "Textiles" by Kandolf. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Pixel, Goddess and Queen Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] searching for a textiles textbook Hello to the list! I know some of you teach or have taught textile classes, and it is you to whom I come with a request for assistance: I am in the process of writing up a pair of fiber classes (Fibers 101 and 102) and I am looking for a textiles textbook with useful discussions of fiber properties including hand, drape, shrinkage, all that good stuff. I have had Kadolph & Langford's _Textiles_ recommended to me as the one that's used at the U of M(innesota)--are there any others that people might recommend? Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 15 13:34:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9FHYdAQ003130 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:34:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9FHYWJg014491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9FHScwR070780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9FHSYjY092684; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9FHSUPC092438 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9714 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2008 17:28:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=w9d/+B/3vYcagpwYyYIyylrwNVDBFz9Xwx3ciozonmxprbvhO5Uywii3Po5A0XLIGBPrf7ZoSw5O337bExhuQ89QdG/F4SAO998CPzD+MmIwwtF9Te2aFE/6+TV8dwpzONvP1/hBqtFyCSC/wfxpqTltewFY6dfZUzEo+ZuhDUI=; X-YMail-OSG: vNDUgcUVM1nSCa0IsaZedomyIkCXAbE4bLOjAJ0IXmdJ6hFfkDHAjadJTuIv05Wfg4w4W7qln1Xh1aBmUu_JM2Jo6ZK.FioonpUCLmpSOLWjxw_6pA.Gqxxa4QoxTR_wlW9maa6c4jXcMJJftwyWoiG6cGfRg.KpSx41lw.W Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:28:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <767819.9651.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] searching for a textiles textbook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b06f02d0-614c-4b8d-812e-33ec5c374d09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F629A8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:34:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know what level are you looking for, but an excellent and very practical book is "All about ..." (cotton/wool/linen/silk). It includes none of such technical info no one understands (weaving details) but it tells you what you can expect from the fabric: what style of clothing to choose, how does the thing behave when sewing, drape, cleaning suggestions... it says everything one would want to know about a fabric. And, it includes SWATCHES! There are always two A4 pages for one kind of fabric (ex. cotton batiste). This is, however, not for professionals that need technical info about manufacturing etc. It is for sewers and designers. Contact me if you would like to know more:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 15 22:25:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9G2PDRK024023 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:25:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9G2P7Ax008494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9G2OZV1010456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9G2OT65087043; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9G2ORYL087027 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:24:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2773635rvb.11 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=tcE482okRazuqF/dGjsuGj/KQMQIOVHkO2qAqTUehrQ=; b=Kw7MafzpWpoamc4F/EIyDFoxzKyrrLgLaftfGS3iqlrE+ulzRkWekBXy+6s74o6OmU cWrlrGrOThnjq2MCM8XUkH+4cZ6qpcS4SBJ+oefvbaZCVNqI6I8za3Tv/fRsQy+oF/OW mn0VmnDu70e6kzDLPdsXSZPKZRl0ggPdXZGEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cp2IOQTuZa49Lc9gSTkVjkac+TX30atxrrhS6IKrt5ouGa28y1LNIXLBSGIE1jRnam 8rSvlUWgk8QSR1mjblfhrjyqE0UJCd19XRkE7gwpageYsiYJ47TOLy5cAqEuY6ESKSVh OETtLU7E4/g7o1gUDCXL/vOayPjSSiU8llkGY= Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr1223677rvl.3.1224123867147; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.252.15 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:24:27 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Have a question about a magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61b9d56e-d10f-40dd-bafc-1f3d68d1b207 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48F6A603.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 16 22:52:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9H2q8Ss027664 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:52:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9H2q1VY021061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9H2paVm006002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:51:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9H2pVvF057334; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9H2pTNE057313 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KqfR128Ii-0007Nt; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:51:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/IX96ZrJ3lTTn6t0L7d+Ws8xsabBQ5pX9Z7zR juHwOonLYs5xsCLyMsn1Zs0YOhQeAt/X+xy9jFyqYfzFaLYO8m lVqHaBI2z62tGxVnfwcSg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] HELP: What event is this worn to? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7ef4e81-cc5b-4582-b0d9-9869d5841890 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48F7FDD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:52:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have an illustration of three beautiful hats from a 1922 French fashion magazine and the caption is: "Dans la Tribune des Dames le jour des Drags" What event was these hats worn? If I put in Google "jour des Drags" images come up like equestrian events. Was/Is there an equestrian event called Tribune/ Day of the Drags? I am just guessing...so the French speaking list members, go on...fall off your chair laughing at me. This magazine is really good at providing French and English translations for the fashion image descriptions but only provides French text for the overall topic. I wish I hadn't quit French class in high school. Our local community colleges do not offer French classes. I have gotten very fast typing in French. But I only know what the meaning of some French fashion terms that are common in English. One day, I am going to be able to translate what I have been typing! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 17 01:58:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9H5wEqu001824 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:58:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9H5w8Wb028765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9H5vUAp015294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9H5vQpl067808; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9H5vMrZ067717 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolmitchel@att.net) Received: (qmail 86847 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2008 05:57:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EXDEQ.QVM1kxuALXdTXKGdTM.UtQydF.wLW9sbAHcRhVlIuEHiJOzrvJnp.kVO4EcYPPenRxGPSA0jyPkrYk5PdKUhaj0f1I9LWIWV74X_L4pUTsROOCZS4yxfnd8HYoSX.qVXt32dYDlsSLcvMCltH4JfHr8MxQKee8YgIDA.Ja8CNg06lZqAQrh60- Received: from [99.132.128.12] by web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:57:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <519402.86541.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] British Magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b6239e4-32a6-4df6-8176-6b6c0a9ab085 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48F82970.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Have a question about a magazine (Onaree Berard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:24:27 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" Subject: [h-cost] Have a question about a magazine To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 I saw this magazine listed on Amazon.com -- Medieval History - England http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-History-England/dp/B00007J7P2/ref=3Dsr_1_2?i= e=3DUTF8&s=3Dmagazines&qid=3D1224123227&sr=3D1-2 Does anyone know anything about it. Is is any good or with purchasing? Onaree -- = Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 373 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 17 15:03:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9HJ3Glv020395 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:03:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9HJ38j0014725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9HJ2oFl069154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:02:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9HJ2lum072947; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f14.google.com (mail-gx0-f14.google.com [209.85.217.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9HJ2ijD072831 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1470138gxk.23 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=t0MSL8ZBqIFvfuWrxPKDKereEEF1hdU3rVUOKPMKGKc=; b=MpSOFaegVZr8GleD8xuRfsnQe95TXQmy8so08McmvFZbw1aZ8/BNgSv7TxGMhOrzxR 4PeUV5VVQW1F4flod6wBLuAg7fwjF/mW0PHPyd7PLAqETfXEgF6s97xks2XPYap++J+5 FxRyTLNhueAsdSVwEQ7w0a0cRydktUjf/SU/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=x+9pxT5bHPlqq9fZL9zW/lWm3I5LIk8p0wX3m4jQ8XdC/9n875VdXBOFi0NUFxoksw BYyG+Oh4yzfXK2/6thaj0Gvx7rgyhOc3joRMZmEyGOOMGvqasnMUWWT5gNBeBZm/4t1D cTgnxmth1wEXp27PPJKL1VGq/02DbqfrjBIj0= Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr3690432agw.18.1224270134921; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.120.7 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0810171202r7601b67cxb7e3e321b25b1b9c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:02:14 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP: What event is this worn to? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58b0ef95-a7c3-4272-9c0c-947886fcc424 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48F8E16C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > "Dans la Tribune des Dames le jour des Drags" > > What event was these hats worn? If I put in Google "jour des Drags" images come up like equestrian events. Was/Is there an equestrian event called Tribune/ Day of the Drags? I am just guessing...so the French speaking list members, go on...fall off your chair laughing at me. > "La Tribune des Dames" could be a newspaper, but most likely... it also means a place to sit/stand, reserved for women. For example in the House of Commons, there was a place reserved for women who wanted to attend. I'm sure the same term could also be used to describe a stand space reserved for women who want to view a race, for example. As for the "Jour des Drags"... Drag is not a French word, so this makes matters slightly more complicated. However, it seems like all I can find agrees with you: horse races. Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prix_des_Drags Take a look here... http://www.lartigue.org/fr2/jhlartigue/chronologie/jhlp-chronoimg40.html So, in the women's reserved stand, on the day of the Prix des Drags horse-race (in Auteuil) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 17 15:39:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9HJddro021550 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:39:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9HJdWts021793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9HJd7dr071893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9HJd6Xe007478; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9HJd5FH007457 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so615031rvb.11 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=joduq57DolJKoJDwLamnPJMcw9lA9vjDQW83UiOAk7k=; b=tG6Z0ZHh2N9VSaVL2mwIYSL5YGl7L2U8qi3UaeaxrHOH2K4Fg8UXHTMgz3D3G4bksf uM2lwOliRMLl028WLOetchaULmPj28kUTxNYdKFS7MtBQiRqutt2ITAK7V72peAwM2ni o9uV8fERF3Sxu0WqHIQdVzYnw+HX1+SQA6kUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=PcfCzKwxk9cir2+7JC0LHxKIJP3a81twORcUvRSrL4RvC4bx+f4P3pTitbiOac9Beh TS/VqkyF+AJ3o+VZ1sYVg0pB6DyYFTyOYpXbPTtNQa040zwlmmF4BtYMhA2IR6j0aS88 dyeKzWqABkRSWnwAxkwf/wGOK6QLgucxHAg2U= Received: by 10.141.142.15 with SMTP id u15mr2764462rvn.171.1224272344450; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-17-50-243.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.50.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm8873875rvb.1.2008.10.17.12.38.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <16a2233a0810171202r7601b67cxb7e3e321b25b1b9c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0810171202r7601b67cxb7e3e321b25b1b9c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckwixgeC0LvDyeiTFOqy3Ry4abTwgAA27RQ Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <48f8e9d7.02578c0a.5960.56c5@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP: What event is this worn to? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:23:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Like the ladies at Ascot. ________________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin [audreybmorin@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP: What event is this worn to? > "Dans la Tribune des Dames le jour des Drags" > > What event was these hats worn? If I put in Google "jour des Drags" images come up like equestrian events. Was/Is there an equestrian event called Tribune/ Day of the Drags? I am just guessing...so the French speaking list members, go on...fall off your chair laughing at me. > "La Tribune des Dames" could be a newspaper, but most likely... it also means a place to sit/stand, reserved for women. For example in the House of Commons, there was a place reserved for women who wanted to attend. I'm sure the same term could also be used to describe a stand space reserved for women who want to view a race, for example. As for the "Jour des Drags"... Drag is not a French word, so this makes matters slightly more complicated. However, it seems like all I can find agrees with you: horse races. Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prix_des_Drags Take a look here... http://www.lartigue.org/fr2/jhlartigue/chronologie/jhlp-chronoimg40.html So, in the women's reserved stand, on the day of the Prix des Drags horse-race (in Auteuil) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 19 11:24:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9JFOFqB003712 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:24:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9JFO9G2017680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9JFNl5B006668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9JFNhA5072746; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9JFNe8a072649 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W56 ([65.55.138.91]) by bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:23:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.208.109] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:23:34 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2008 15:23:35.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[A71141B0:01C931FE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db9d87f2-619d-479e-b284-3a55ba0d5996 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48FB5119.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi guys...I sent this to another group in hopes of having a discussion on it, but haven't heard a peep from anyone there....so sorry for the cross posts.... From: wickedfrau@msn.com To: therenaissancetailor@yahoogroups.com Subject: Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42... Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:52:25 -0700 Hi all, I was just reading the article in The Journal of the Costume Society, Vol 42, 2008. I am hoping to generate some discussion but also hoping to hear from the authors...Jane Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson and Ninya Mikhaila. My first question is from Figure 6 on page 27. I just want to confirm what I think I see. I think the wearer is wearing in this (order) a smock, then a kirtle (no stiffening?) then a partially boned pair of bodies which looks like an 'un-strapped' version of the Pfalzgrafin Dorothea Sabina Von Neuberg's corset which is cut off (just at?) the nipple. My second question, is how does one differentiate between a petticoat and a kirtle, (assuming both have attached bodices). Is it just that the kirtle is 'done' in a fashion fabric? Thanks! 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whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a723712-43de-466d-9773-2987416746cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48FB8245.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:54:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd say most of us do not have the journal in our hands, much as I'd like to. You may also want to post your question here http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=29374273995 We have a lot of members but most of the discussions are attached to the posted photos. MaggiRos On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Chiara Francesca < chiara.francesca@gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately for some of us we do not have that journal in our hands. Is > there any way to share the images she refers to? > > Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 19 18:51:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9JMpraY025841 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:51:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9JMpme6029022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:51:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9JMpSh6040940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9JMpO19046742; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9JMpM6V046676 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20431 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2008 22:51:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jzpnT5BcTu6o3/nhxp/hPywRAGL6mOh+0lJ+BUPTtyJellbhtEqDBD2DT+zPA9iPlscuskAhjSRs7G+Hj7zvFFZdXNircOeUfNopb1IO9b+IUQmG/RBaeJC9iMS6TWEnwtSyic8N11DR5pAhF3cdGaJhmo/jgPnkkQnjgyGdB3s=; X-YMail-OSG: tcBwFxkVM1nNKnhPm7H9B8LhxIKb5YfReBiX84S6EgQ_5r4rGNwpR4VuxAZ0dvDL1OC1L_WKSZRTNmFl3OMDDt5DLIv9Ev2BtG5vzG4umtRyGyaKKZEAd9_f.UcWFHt67HfIRUKl9vyTmAkH.6WNxShWZhkOO.R1EuBluzyBTFeNxP0pn2UgpGPgJmpu Received: from [69.238.21.12] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:51:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <799333.19975.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60794a84-1fc6-4b58-9db9-b1369e1920cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48FBBA04.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:51:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Saragrace, I have yet to order my copy of the journal, sadly. I've had too much on my plate lately. Have you tried this email group? Tudor_Tailor_Reader@yahoogroups.com I know Ninya is specifically on that list, and often responds to direct queries. Or have you emailed Ninya or Jane directly? Their contact emails should be on The Tudor Tailor web site. Personally, I would love to know the specific answer to your question as well. I just don't have the visual to look at to help answer it from what I have learned. Especially as my understanding of the term "petticoat" for the early 16th century is different than most people's definition. The Cunnington's in their book state that it originally meant "small coat", and later came to mean a skirt by itself, but they don't provide any visuals to help with that definition. At a guess, based on the info in The Tudor Tailor book and from the workshop of theirs I attended, their petticoat is a skirt, usually red (which seems to be common for "health" beliefs of that time), that has a small upper body garment attached to it (meant to keep the skirts in place? They talked about how it was described in written accounts as having bodies attached, but how that is shaped exactly is conjecture - they based it on a known shape at the time, seen in men's "jacket" bodies). This is then worn under the main supportive dress known as a kirtle (which in their instructions is partly boned), which then has the gown layer worn over that. This is what I understand, but without knowing your specific image, I don't know if I am in the right area, or if you are discussing something else. Kimiko --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I was just reading the article in The Journal of > the Costume Society, Vol 42, 2008. I am hoping to generate > some discussion but also hoping to hear from the > authors...Jane Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson and Ninya > Mikhaila. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 19 21:32:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9K1WsQ3032291 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:32:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9K1WnSV006439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:32:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9K1WLGS051752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9K1WJWR035653; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9K1WGRg035626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9K1VoeT019181 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:32:15 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume JournalVol 42... 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Personally I wish we would agree on a name and WE stick with it through the ages using that word as the definition for whenever an original source uses something else.) 2. The petticote (kirtle... Driving me crazy with name changes here :-) I have no idea about the difference, or if there is one either. Which was a skirt and bodice (un-boned) together that provided necessary underskirt in lieu of hoops 3. The kirtle (boned slightly but with at least 1.25 or more inches free of boning at the neckline which appears higher than that of the Gown itself. The claim here seems to be that the jeweled neckline was temporarily mounted. 4. Then the gown - Unboned. I've spent the day looking through a lot of Tudor paintings books along with masses of Elizabethan. I'm not sure I agree entirely, but I'm planning on continuing to learn until death. I've decided I'm really just a costume mutt. My eyes glaze and I have this compulsion when "garb/costume/clothing" is mentioned. One reason why I like the depth and breadth of this list. Lovely Volume. I was interested in the Airsaid and particularly the 1617 suite of clothing. I do wish that they had included the underclothing. The body seems to have mummified rather than decayed. Oh well, now we know it exists we can keep an eye out for more publication! Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:24 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume > JournalVol 42... > > Hi all, I was just reading the article in The Journal of the > Costume Society, Vol 42, 2008. I am hoping to generate some > discussion but also hoping to hear from the authors...Jane > Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson and Ninya Mikhaila. > > My first question is from Figure 6 on page 27. I just want to > confirm what I think I see. I think the wearer is wearing in > this (order) a smock, then a kirtle (no stiffening?) then a > partially boned pair of bodies which looks like an 'un-strapped' > version of the Pfalzgrafin Dorothea Sabina Von Neuberg's corset > which is cut off (just at?) the nipple. > > My second question, is how does one differentiate between a > petticoat and a kirtle, (assuming both have attached bodices). > Is it just that the kirtle is 'done' in a fashion fabric? > > Thanks! > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 20 20:13:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9L0DUJc031304 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:13:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9L0DPc3009477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9L0D3IX043600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9L0Cx9m066128; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9L0Ctc9066032 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W56 ([65.55.138.91]) by bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:12:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.208.109] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Chiara Francesca , "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:12:50 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48fb7141.1f588c0a.4da6.ffffcb18@mx.google.com> References: <48fb7141.1f588c0a.4da6.ffffcb18@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2008 00:12:51.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[C18577A0:01C93311] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42... 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X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1168af6a-0fde-43c3-a98f-c7b18f857592 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48FFD4B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 22:00:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N20DI8007988 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:00:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N207cN020861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:00:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N1xsNx074089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N1xsmE012289; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N1xofB012250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:59:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N1xo0B000737 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:59:50 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:59:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20081022205950.xg9hkpa1w0sw00w4@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:59:50 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79d281d5-86ee-457d-acd8-6ced6977f8e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48FFDAA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm wearing two hats here. 1. I've dabbled in silversmithing 2. I'm working on a degree in textiles. One way to clean oxidization off of silver jewelry is to soak it in a solution called "pickle," usually a weak acid, usually heated. Some people use vinegar. Protein fibers are damaged by basic solutions, but are slightly strengthened by weak acids. Vinegar is frequently used to set acid dyes (used with protein fibers), usually in a hot dyebath. If you make a vinegar-water solution and heat it up, keeping it below a simmer, and immerse and soak your cloth of silver in it, that *should* do the trick. It won't be instantaneous, it may take half an hour or more. Emma > On the cloth of gold thread, Bess mentioned cloth of silver. I have a small > piece (about 1 yard square), but it is tarnished where it was exposed to the > air when folded. Any ideas on how to remove the tarnish from the silver > without harming the silk? > Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 22:01:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N21qiv008075 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N21lCA021620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:01:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N21Kxo074228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N21Kv3013111; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9N21HuC013032 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18318 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2008 02:01:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=GsBv1At9OdIRzd0TqmgEZS49QEobmH0Bhh12CaqrNYDuR6QRz/u6Ka0NEIPHijwbffdxY6hc3gZdH6PeKACqv2+A8xi/AvBP5wAXvwnjozytY0PQsJCQtMUirQHXD55Av42UV9d0XfSPNNEVTbMofDKigTUeTJiuTsS6G8AUBOk=; X-YMail-OSG: M_bWMf4VM1kxGr9M7w.1dTqbEYD.G_6PLh6.b27ppUuguBaJ4k0QhsR_iIpW3fE8GW2XFNEUwjPIU5bv14SgYARU7rvVKyrwNLHVpQljHEZMN10c.g88J8TdJ2A00zXl7ClNDsU_HnXcC3cg2AD08lSJARyx4eEenSB76V0WwX.k8DJlXQexxEkgRH4- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:01:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <996515.18072.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd137f05-c55b-45e1-97bf-2e0a843ddcec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48FFDB0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:01:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Baking soda? I've used baking soda paste (half baking soda, half water) to get tarnish off of silver jewelry. I don't know how silk reacts to baking soda, though. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sharon Collier To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:33:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] cleaning question On the cloth of gold thread, Bess mentioned cloth of silver. I have a small piece (about 1 yard square), but it is tarnished where it was exposed to the air when folded. Any ideas on how to remove the tarnish from the silver without harming the silk? Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 22:19:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N2JpgP008961 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N2JjSh000780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N2JV0x075441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N2JVP4023934; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N2JTIr023902 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEE0113202A0; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:18:08 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> <20081022205950.xg9hkpa1w0sw00w4@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:18:36 -0700 Message-ID: <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack0sxCnmN0Ves9AQaquoEggrHqe6AAAny5A In-Reply-To: <20081022205950.xg9hkpa1w0sw00w4@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cf1e230-02d7-432f-a4ec-29edb84284f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48FFDF41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, I didn't know that about basic harming protein fibers. Aren't most detergents/soaps basic? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of 00217146@bigred.unl.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question I'm wearing two hats here. 1. I've dabbled in silversmithing 2. I'm working on a degree in textiles. One way to clean oxidization off of silver jewelry is to soak it in a solution called "pickle," usually a weak acid, usually heated. Some people use vinegar. Protein fibers are damaged by basic solutions, but are slightly strengthened by weak acids. Vinegar is frequently used to set acid dyes (used with protein fibers), usually in a hot dyebath. If you make a vinegar-water solution and heat it up, keeping it below a simmer, and immerse and soak your cloth of silver in it, that *should* do the trick. It won't be instantaneous, it may take half an hour or more. Emma > On the cloth of gold thread, Bess mentioned cloth of silver. I have a > small piece (about 1 yard square), but it is tarnished where it was > exposed to the air when folded. Any ideas on how to remove the tarnish > from the silver without harming the silk? > Sharon C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 23:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N33evI011654 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:03:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N33Yff022997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N33KdC078503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N33IRL050614; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N33EZ1050570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N33E0d007088 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:14 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20081022220314.t8tl4sh3k80oscw8@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:14 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> <20081022205950.xg9hkpa1w0sw00w4@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29f565a0-7c8c-4aa1-8b2d-1f6855b47a88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48FFE986.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:03:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yup. But a mild base isn't going to do a huge amount of damage. I wouldn't worry about it, honestly. If your silk is so fragile that soap is going to break it down significantly, you probably shouldn't be washing it, anyway. I have heard something about saris being given a final vinegar rinse to counteract the soap after being washed, it has never been clear to me whether that was to strengthen the fiber or to re-set the dye. If you're feeling paranoid, tear-free shampoos tend to be neutral or nearly neutral pH. Emma Quoting Sharon Collier : > Thanks, I didn't know that about basic harming protein fibers. Aren't most > detergents/soaps basic? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 23:05:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N355uO011710 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:05:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N3506A024225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N34oBj078630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N34oC5051447; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N34kNg051419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N34kkT007311 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:04:46 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:04:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20081022220446.x6gbd56doo8ko0oc@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:04:46 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> <20081022205950.xg9hkpa1w0sw00w4@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7ba452b-6271-405e-826c-f35412276dbe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48FFE9DC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:05:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This, by the way, is why you should never, never bleach silk. A small vial of bleach is a handy way to distinguish silk from synthetic fibers, though. Silk (or wool) will dissolve completely. Emma Quoting Sharon Collier : > Thanks, I didn't know that about basic harming protein fibers. Aren't most > detergents/soaps basic? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 22 23:29:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N3Tnx7013064 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:29:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N3ThDv024130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N3TRMf080246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N3TRmA065622; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9N3TN2N065517 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99542 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2008 03:29:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=eWSi6vlLkbGPjblgK1fw85C+BMfOQ6gLME2VKRQ5DU3wdznsjBZ2EPXP7SYBteLm6QWfYuVlc6RCD/zHFXFI/LI8i2BstqKQPOi/xXXK4T1H6wVZUxAcw6Bh4Xty6UFP1pd8Bih7vybZaFEZl7fTz5X9JqmEN9oP65flPliGLLE=; X-YMail-OSG: no36jyQVM1lJNglsnCPfKq3TRiiWE0oEpPdhUYfopnHk2YgetwuJYKIi1vlBF.myq2z4wowmJa7sVFEQiZVEiBQuKwTxoLu53yZOdl4LQh46LjhTVkSZGyFbJ10nnmQgXhUeQEPHF8cuzEEEbHqZo9LoO7y_4QfHkyAhLa6a8DDcKaxXdAoRGhwY9AG5 Received: from [69.182.210.23] by web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:29:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4CCBE077275F447BAA2DDB91F8B57433@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <136585.98433.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dc05aa2-8c30-4ff4-8b80-72bdb19c7617 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48FFEFA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:29:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Most soaps aren't terribly basic, not like a mineral base--NaOH (lye, caustic, etc.) or CaOH (active ingredient in Nair &c) around pH 14. I have dry skin, and Ivory is too basic for me to use at pH 9.5, because it's not superfatted, but that's not a protein reaction. ;) Detergents can be acidic or basic, depending on what is to be cleaned out of what. Both soaps & detergents are surfactants. Ann in CT --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Sharon Collier wrote: >> Thanks, I didn't know that about basic harming protein > fibers. Aren't most > detergents/soaps basic? > > -----Original Message----- > From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question > > > I'm wearing two hats here. > > 1. I've dabbled in silversmithing > 2. I'm working on a degree in textiles. > > One way to clean oxidization off of silver jewelry is to > soak it in a > solution called "pickle," usually a weak acid, > usually heated. Some people > use vinegar. > > Protein fibers are damaged by basic solutions, but are > slightly strengthened > by weak acids. Vinegar is frequently used to set acid dyes > (used with > protein fibers), usually in a hot dyebath. > > If you make a vinegar-water solution and heat it up, > keeping it below a > simmer, and immerse and soak your cloth of silver in it, > that > *should* do the trick. It won't be instantaneous, it > may take half an hour > or more. > > Emma > > > On the cloth of gold thread, Bess mentioned cloth of > silver. I have a > > small piece (about 1 yard square), but it is tarnished > where it was > > exposed to the air when folded. Any ideas on how to > remove the tarnish > > from the silver without harming the silk? > > Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 01:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9N51brj019533 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:01:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9N50CaA002278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:01:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9N4sZtG088094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N4sW0b022488; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9N4sSFf022433 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC420C0BAF for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:26 +1100 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1ZD7zd05eRe for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:26 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-39.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.39]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B826C0955 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:26 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:23 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ack0y2rCeyFZ0nF4TDCAQszoYq2IJg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081023045426.2B826C0955@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Hat question 19th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53e9fe11-a8c1-46aa-afb4-5dfb81a30dec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 490004DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:01:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi everyone, a friend is interested in the 'bonnet' on this page http://www.hatsupply.com/dressup_hats.htm (about half way down black and white photos) For Regency era wear to my eye it doesn't look like the right shape, but I can't claim to be much of a Regency era expert and there was a lot of variation between the 1790s and 1820s. What do you think? Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 10:33:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9NEX0EJ012699 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:33:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9NEWoXx018755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:32:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9NEWO5O031947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NEWMGm039435; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NEWJ96039391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Kt1GA-0000vl-E9 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:33:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:33:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> Message-ID: References: <55601212DC9C4635905C82AD569F691C@bobfamilyroom> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0f0c07f-1c10-4328-a021-30ede83786e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49008B12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:32:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have not tried this on cloth of silver, but I have used it to clean other silver things--those "magic" silver cleaners are blocks of aluminum that you put in water with a 1:1 solution of baking soda and salt. It really does work, and then if you rinsed the cloth with a weak vinegar solution to restore the acid balance of the silk it should probably be ok without having to rub the cloth at all. Jen On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Sharon Collier wrote: > On the cloth of gold thread, Bess mentioned cloth of silver. I have a small > piece (about 1 yard square), but it is tarnished where it was exposed to the > air when folded. Any ideas on how to remove the tarnish from the silver > without harming the silk? > Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 14:03:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9NI3ht0025306 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9NI3V5d008125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9NI2pFU053174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NI2jFT000809; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from estamail.org (estamail.org [209.216.253.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NI2f4P000733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mmbennett@esta.org) Received: (qmail 11290 invoked by uid 0); 23 Oct 2008 10:55:06 -0700 Date: 23 Oct 2008 10:55:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> From: mmbennett@esta.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 867c0274-2014-4f5b-a6b4-8a5d5d1243c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4900BC74.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 14:09:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9NI9KCl025657 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:09:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9NI9DBt007582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9NI8lr2053658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NI8lxi006596; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NI8hfY006450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:10:16 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:10:13 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Out of Office Thread-Index: Ack1OduX5xXy1Qo+R9ae1h6je0zD3AAAK1EQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D15EFC@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> In-Reply-To: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ed16230-4ae4-43ca-9b64-9c49863e1fe0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4900BDC9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:09:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Do we need to know this? Do we need to know this 3 times? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of mmbennett@esta.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 14:35:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9NIZN1f027815 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9NIZIla029921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9NIZ61G056040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NIZ6Cn033097; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NIZ4bl033068 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so190101ele.8 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:35:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HZXp0VxIpYXJ106fTAkeWL5gujcwhxcAExF1QyVzA+0=; b=BUXtHwX52BpSGxnSIq63WV3ZPK/tT22X5Q8x3itAxkgVHC9fAvt22CM/blKnEKS1P8 oXwECD+kNarZWShahL6vYBjYIzRm7QazkqAAocVv3ofO3bEBQV2Y739++MFmSJk0yfX6 fePHqDY6UPe7J1kIDW7PWkXZkUG3js2q8I9Q0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AXGzwn4r3wafBNqZCW9Hh8Wn+aejCaXc3JGBgepTXP7r3qOF4Vh++0aU0799QQK5cW I56zKeIwT82IASwYi2YfGUvJPgnXeJ5MgB3WWKI9aNY79ykygk7FVCjuAGvjJJmXBJwp x9sjESnK+PhD5SbnAyWfi1sfek3GMjJDn5fRo= Received: by 10.90.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr919088agc.69.1224786904121; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.120.7 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0810231135w62529466id8d782ef942d4930@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:35:04 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D15EFC@Orion.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D15EFC@Orion.campus.muc.prv> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e217d58d-787f-444d-bc6c-23285c4bca99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4900C3E6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:35:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's an automatic message. Answering it isn't going to solve the problem... On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do we need to know this? Do we need to know this 3 times? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of mmbennett@esta.org > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:55 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office > > I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 16:08:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9NK8kkV002394 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:08:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9NK8Ym6030616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:08:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9NK82ea064488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NK806u022287; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9NK7tnB022124 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from MOO.jigrah.co.uk (cpc2-midd3-0-0-cust220.midd.cable.ntl.com [82.4.0.221]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:07:49 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:07:31 +0100 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Jill Hadfield Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DNOJfRtAP/NTBglmPPqXl+0H2XpESvIJhb+I gRTEPqdjFaGb/plhBZV1DuHaM0iDzUocBOzdHJgBPkgdlOwyrp lO4E2A49/GsMiJCzupGs+b5x4QFhTvJ X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] BBC Archive X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08511531-8cee-4a3e-a6a0-48941cd97c1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4900D9C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Some very interesting programmes - some from 1957 - using original costume from late 17 hundreds through the 18 hundreds http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/whatwewore/index.shtml?option=1 Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 20:48:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O0mZRI024184 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:48:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O0lAGV009132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O0kFN3083809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O0kBim051556; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O0k9We051524 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from felis.lover@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so582589rvb.11 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=kFzF5LyEW2twBrf5AonmMJfHdSZx9PkyVdJej4RP4SY=; b=p6uE3NfR6LKcDWImRtBneTV0Jg/Unsz8kybxsgYZWL9Bie1lJ75RQXiyroV5Bkj/f5 8ek6Ud8E3RJ26BiMExqqHXbkIzWZqtY/PVwXK59rhmrxKJEbOjseCKMz+EVA7f5UuwZ7 zViMKlBmS6YGkE4gq7MOaWfpm7eDbWMWHC4jM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rZHK7hdN88vYwWEebsjNdUXd+m5WpwCJJX9CjHJeBiJYsfcIC77B2m8dBDsjUAOksO xeE+U/ZbVV6hYK9C6VHFy0buTI5cgSpus9r7icuN0YIRMqvDrPCHwGXNBXIwZJrQcZkR hvotP7nGL72iMQL/fqv5UKhYgr7Wd4rNkeCBg= Received: by 10.141.128.19 with SMTP id f19mr784225rvn.107.1224809168786; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.188.3 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <684bbeba0810231746w7dc144e7h2c57ecd978b9e7f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:08 -0700 From: "Karolee Smiley" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0810231135w62529466id8d782ef942d4930@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D15EFC@Orion.campus.muc.prv> <16a2233a0810231135w62529466id8d782ef942d4930@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f05eef06-6411-4b7a-8f8f-9e357fe43680 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49011B0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:47:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ah, but this should be a point to remember for the rest of us. Do not have automated messages for lists we subscribe to. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin < audreybmorin@gmail.com> wrote: > It's an automatic message. Answering it isn't going to solve the problem... > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > > Do we need to know this? Do we need to know this 3 times? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of mmbennett@esta.org > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:55 PM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office > > > > I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through > October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me > about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 21:39:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O1dWtj026366 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:39:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O1dQsL029618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O1d7Jc087013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O1d7EA084461; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O1d5KL084438 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so601625rvb.11 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=qPMf9bwNqbONfYgJ3n+ouEICnQG5d47nz+NxC71xPrw=; b=PEfQ50Rgok4Oq3FT9tOQL3OjRyTGWAl1ujLK3bDY3hua1X7xfbTFeRItit69zQesfg 1m6VQSNSgltW5BkUmnr7ka3V7ep0smU1BRktEJ9szOb5BENhw7Kx8hAaLpV6Rl9xzDDN X+TFRqHcEdABCqdLRYAAvhuO9SSJe7qfPhpeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qH3e9jr7aW09YX2oACXUmr8CT9VPGLvl9pbDeFhmvntiWQLCIts10CpHYc+AJDTxhR agnT2RylD3550pBF2mIcvUiwg9xIoUS3WtsggNEuET8tyZvMdAAuhrQzK+njrrWUy4Nx tre9GXsXDPFLcU9G0EL3CwPg8WTFtAx4Xzs48= Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr798512rvo.174.1224812345484; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.252.15 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:39:05 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e236948-21d7-45c0-b1b6-cadbcb735dd7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4901274E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind when building a corset? Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 21:52:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O1qlKT026889 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:52:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O1qfN0028822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:52:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O1q3Qc087887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O1q1Wa091754; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O1pwxV091724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.66] (dial-209-148-101-66.sonic.net [209.148.101.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9O1puhp023963 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: <49012A48.4090808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:52:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? 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Also, Amazon does sell advertising that looks like the results of their collaborative filtering. For example, after Princess Diana was killed some publisher rushed out a pop biography/fan picture book only a few weeks later. For several days, no matter what I searched for, that book appeared at the top of my "recommended" items. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Onaree Berard wrote: > I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their > "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The > Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they > suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". > > Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind > when building a corset? > > Onaree > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 22:37:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O2bThA028482 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:37:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O2bN5B018258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:37:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O2b24m090311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O2b279014882; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9O2axQN014790 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69560 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2008 02:36:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=K7/q5qA/rN7PvIfuubFhA3AfnF4y3s187svz7N6lBue4XJrcHxyN/h/hRgUZXVWkqFhJVLCPsBU1arYF7sGuYMqgTvqtWWc7goS3xqkmENqZtihNevcg37J3tgUBdEB1ny2LJ7fvXQg6JOgLQ+Stw8oa7nyVjuZnpbH95OAmo1Q=; X-YMail-OSG: _0Dz5P4VM1k.H5Z922KWjid0a7m2fyO5DCIvQD.bEaLiTINhWcgrKOzT7l9XMqEpCR43Az1EFmKeilIYw.aTH4zIYUbSf6YKMMOMMQkU6VL4I2r0TkFO2AxNik_7PIdDN8KXZklAoQbp5r8WiM05418ESFs- Received: from [76.182.52.95] by web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:36:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <49012A48.4090808@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <109939.69541.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76ef99a3-aae2-43dc-89ff-455ff0a169e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490134E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:37:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO aw c'mon!!1 doesn't everybody have a craving for a Terry Pratchet yarn whil= e making corsets or other=A0 underhardware? Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7HMtOoXtMs0 Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Onaree Berard wrote: > I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their > "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The > Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they > suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". > = > Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind > when building a corset? > = > Onaree > = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 22:42:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O2ggAT028769 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:42:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O2gc8S021339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O2gG6B090476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O2gGFF017484; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O2gDm2017455 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAD79F0653 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:52:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:44:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <109939.69541.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <109939.69541.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810232244.12832.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cf4c18f-8578-4eec-906e-2183b243dd50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4901361E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:42:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 23 October 2008 10:36:54 pm Bambi TBNL wrote: > aw c'mon!!1 doesn't everybody have a craving for a Terry Pratchet yarn > while making corsets or other=A0 underhardware? A lot of Terry Pratchett fans are also avid costumers. = I should know. I am one. = So the association here is not as crazy as it may seem to some of the list = members here. Fran's right about the way Amazon does its filtering. Some = of = the time it comes up with crazy recommendations or recommendations that are = just plain bogus, but most of the time it's on the money. = If this sort of thing bothers you, just invest a little time to click the "= not = interested" box for such items from time to time. At first it may seem lik= e = an exercise in futility, but if you do it often enough, it helps. -- = Cathy Raymond "We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand." --Randy Pausch = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 23:34:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O3YaLR030408 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:34:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O3YUwr005553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:34:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O3XhQT093120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O3XgT5043709; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9O3Xcos043627 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 559 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 03:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:33:32 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c93591$baf3ce00$a50d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack1eVuM3sdBtCICTGiMt1R4x5y5rAAGCUXg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7473ed9b-c571-4fb2-a907-ab8f0eb8548f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49014246.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:34:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maybe it's all the costumers buying books and Terry Pratchett stuff as well? Of course, either Death or Albert in a corset would be quite a sight.... Liadain Drifting away on flights of fancy THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Onaree Berard Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:39 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind when building a corset? Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 23 23:47:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9O3lI8K030857 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:47:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9O3lDAq019060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9O3asK6093266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9O3asOh045184; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9O3aojS045112 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 3354 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 03:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:36:44 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c93592$2d8ad3a0$a50d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <109939.69541.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack1gXNnCFljfcTSR4WaUqOMDH+p0QAEJtdg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? 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Liadain Ducking and running THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands = http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bambi TBNL Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? aw c'mon!!1 doesn't everybody have a craving for a Terry Pratchet yarn while making corsets or other=A0 underhardware? Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 09:22:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9ODMEal013788 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:22:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ODM8iw003411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:22:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9ODLjMi033797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ODLiGa051880; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ODLe8i051795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:23:14 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:23:11 -0400 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Out of Office Thread-Index: Ack1PlWeHK3I2GIORMGK/78YlvCEvAAnT1eQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D16175@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <20081023175506.11288.qmail@estamail.org> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA1289D15EFC@Orion.campus.muc.prv> <16a2233a0810231135w62529466id8d782ef942d4930@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0810231135w62529466id8d782ef942d4930@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c20f3eb-6c6b-4491-bfc4-61268e39bc3b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4901CC00.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answering it isn't going to solve the problem... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 10:27:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OERIeB017475 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OERBkY013084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OEQV08038532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:26:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEQTWl001200; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEQRDv001159 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 53D6D4C248 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:12:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id DE34E4C212 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:12:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8B1800B9 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:26:26 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? Thread-Index: Ack1eVGMAocPFkCVTG2RHOyk+Cf8IQAasomQ References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f54b4ad-4053-44b3-99f0-5fbf75ff4918 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4901DB3F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Might be a glitch in their selections. Maybe someone in the Hogfather wears a corset or someone that ordered "BoCB" also ordered the Hogfather! Who knows? Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Onaree Berard Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:39 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind when building a corset? Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 10:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OEr72s018826 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OEqwv6015012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:53:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OEqbFJ040637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEqbSi024409; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEqZ1h024374 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so318743yxb.71 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FUcjg/BRpuFZoodAdD2kbkIU63he9xlgdOTop/eQgZE=; b=QJZEWNOJBFbOPy4aHYrOaj08hR34ry50jxB1yIZFddxFWagjn4WckXOXFgygaIu80V BfKzVooRYOm1cXBUnVORv5SgzjWQgZlRnGPbVFUGwsp4FvuWHCSWrT0QID9TFZ9mQ8qX M1i0XC2MH9P5pVYQViNYbsrwMaNRtByEjaQx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cESNat0ty79EfhnHZ/hVjtO69gUtgZ/90gVug/9PdZZa/gyFHXbs34rg00Qhuq2M0c mTxFUyE/iWj2el4N7EUESB9UCLda2qvp4udt0IfuXeTxCH1uVz9jC+jPje1LjgNhkojD ZK5DYQ8BBDRtmZ7qr82uulIlbcb5FDhLqRZkY= Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr2763959ang.34.1224859955222; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590810240752o2023c733v33ecf58815094791@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:52:35 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Amazon.com gone insane? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf00bdf0-8f0f-4e9f-a27a-3e624a071bb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4901E14A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO With the range of interests that I have I always wonder what people think of the recommendations they are getting from me, but the connection that I get sometimes have me wondering... Of course, it's interesting to note when something gets popular too. Such as a particular painting book that I bought years ago that had dropped off the recommendation list has shown up recently with a lot of hits for other things recently. alex On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > Might be a glitch in their selections. Maybe someone in the Hogfather > wears a corset or someone that ordered "BoCB" also ordered the > Hogfather! Who knows? > > Cindy Abel > > -----Original Message----- > >> I've received a gift certificate so I was looking in their > "Recommended for You" and they suggested as as I've purchased "The > Basics of Corset Building: A Handbook for Beginners" that they > suggested the DVD "The Hogfather". > > Is it just me or is The Hogfather the last thing that comes to mind > when building a corset? > > Onaree >-- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 11:06:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OF6uch019495 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:06:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OF6m7M019754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OEturI040964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:55:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEttmr027229; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from estamail.org (estamail.org [209.216.253.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OEtqRN027183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mmbennett@esta.org) Received: (qmail 27991 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2008 07:48:21 -0700 Date: 24 Oct 2008 07:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20081024144821.27989.qmail@estamail.org> From: mmbennett@esta.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02511b12-1878-449a-8fde-4e7309113f0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4901E488.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 11:19:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OFJGWD020328 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:19:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OFJ6FL030743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OFDldq042513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OFDlll043196; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OFDiwa043048 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bf0.3c15ff12 (32915) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:13:30 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 739d1d75-22f0-493e-956f-f998fd456ff3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4901E76B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yep - can't you temporarily turn the list off, then turn it back on again??? As in, cancel the e-mails, then set them up again... In a message dated 24/10/2008 15:53:50 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Ah, but this should be a point to remember for the rest of us. Do not have automated messages for lists we subscribe to. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 11:58:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OFwEvG022642 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:58:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OFw4kD020107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OFvKpR046135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OFvJts084375; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OFvGEV084319 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1825750592 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <02e501c935f1$36927c50$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:57:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32541104-89bc-4974-8ecd-baf18e88ef55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4901F08C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, that's the only way to avoid the constant 'out of office' emails. You need to set your email subscriptions to 'no mail' if you are getting your email at your office address. Fortunately, this particular office seems to have a program that only responds once a day per address (or something) rather than responding to every single message received -- as happens on another list I read. ugh. > > Yep - can't you temporarily turn the list off, then turn it back on > again??? > > As in, cancel the e-mails, then set them up again... > --------- > > Ah, but this should be a point to remember for the rest of us. Do not > have > automated messages for lists we subscribe to. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 24 14:38:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9OIc2uK030349 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:38:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9OIbtNU022297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9OIbYVG068478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OIbUBv056210; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Mycroft (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9OIbRcV056078 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.549 [270.8.2/1742]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:01 -0700 X-DN-AuthenticatedSender: 9UXFNC9X34TKM7RCNCFEEA67TMM6MMXJ-aYWeH3fe5wO3qg8eZ XihjL04skdRHky14ZUKTMCscBcGFQwLJF2D8Q==--- X-DN-AuthorizedIP: 9UXFNC9X34TKM7RCNCFEEA67TMM6MMXJ-/ByErmPc7XnNSsa7w cxyB2VGqvNnpFcsz8rX87Vl18YWzt4tS5Ri8Q==--- Received: from 192.168.57.100 ([192.168.57.100]) by Mycroft (DeskNow) with SMTP ID 689 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margo" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:35:51 -0700 Message-ID: <0CA2EDFA0B614DB79D9B72A83DE2BA17@Nomad> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Thread-Index: Ack1cfaBydEJewx5QW6OjdCILFkmkgAlThJg Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0810231746w7dc144e7h2c57ecd978b9e7f7@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 861cb0a6-658f-4b7b-9c23-5ffaa6a250db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49021603.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:37:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you are using Microsoft Outlook, you can choose to send the out of office only once per incoming email address. This would be a big help. . . Margo "Don't forget your bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert/Brave Combo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Karolee Smiley Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office Ah, but this should be a point to remember for the rest of us. Do not have automated messages for lists we subscribe to. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin < audreybmorin@gmail.com> wrote: > It's an automatic message. Answering it isn't going to solve the problem... > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > > Do we need to know this? Do we need to know this 3 times? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of mmbennett@esta.org > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:55 PM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office > > > > I will be out of the office at the LDI show from October 21st through > October 27th. I will be checking email periodically. If you need to reach me > about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:21:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 13:02 25/10/2008, you wrote: >Dear H-Costume, I have been doing research on my = >favourite film 'The Slipper and the Rose'.=C2 The = >lady who designed the dresses for the ball gown = >in 'The Slipper and the Rose' is an award = >winning costume designer and=C2 I have been trying = >to look for her work she did for the film and = >finding the dressses she designed. I was = >wondering if you would have more information on = >this. = >Sarah = >_______________________________________________ = >h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume A large number of the ladies' costumes were made = by Jean Hunnisett for Julie Head. These include = those for Margaret Lockwood, and for the = Princesses who turned up to be prospective = brides. The costumes for Richard Chamberlain were made by Charles Alty. 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Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:46:15 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081025144254.03be42b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:46:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <616539.49416.qm@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <616539.49416.qm@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:36 25/10/2008, you wrote: >Thank you, may I ask how you found that out? = >sarah ________________________________ From: = >Suzi Clarke To: = >Historical Costume Sent: = >Saturday, 25 October, 2008 14:20:50 Subject: Re: = >[h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose At 13:02 = >25/10/2008, you wrote: >Dear H-Costume, I have = >been doing research on my >favourite film 'The = >Slipper and the Rose'.=C3=82=C2 The >lady who = >designed the dresses for the ball gown >in 'The = >Slipper and the Rose' is an award >winning = >costume designer and=C3=82 I have been trying >to = >look for her work she did for the film = >and >finding the dressses she designed. I = >was >wondering if you would have more = >information = >on >this. >Sarah >_______________________________ = >________________ >h-costume mailing list = >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/m = >ailman/listinfo/h-costume A large number of the = >ladies' costumes were made by Jean = >Hunnisett=C2 for Julie Head. These include those = >for Margaret Lockwood, and for the Princesses = >who turned up to be prospective brides. The = >costumes for Richard Chamberlain were made by = >Charles Alty. Suzi _______________________________________________ h- I am very old, and knew Jean Hunnisett and = Charles Alty. Jean was my Tutor at college, and I = worked with Charles on a show in London's West End. 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Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081025152615.03bf3af8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:28:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <343740.75749.qm@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <343740.75749.qm@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5c3a64f-0165-446c-9ac7-fb512cfe23f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49032D3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:29:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:52 25/10/2008, you wrote: >So, will I be able to find the actual ctostumes = >from the film=C2 with the names you have provided = >me? sarah ________________________________ From: = >Suzi Clarke To: = >Historical Costume Sent: = >Saturday, 25 October, 2008 14:46:05 Subject: Re: = >[h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose At 14:36 = >25/10/2008, you wrote: >Thank you, may I ask how = >you found that out? >sarah = >________________________________ From: >Suzi = >Clarke To: >Historical = >Costume Sent: >Saturday, = >25 October, 2008 14:20:50 Subject: Re: >[h-cost] = >The Slipper and the Rose At 13:02 >25/10/2008, = >you wrote: >Dear H-Costume, I have >been doing = >research on my >favourite film 'The >Slipper and = >the Rose'.=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 The >lady who >designed the = >dressses for the ball gown >in 'The >Slipper and = >the Rose' is an award >winning >costume designer = >and=C3=83=82 I have beenn trying >to >look for her = >work she did for the film >and >finding the = >dressses she designed. I >was >wondering if you = >would have = >more >information >on >this. >Sarah >____________ = >___________________ >________________ >h-costume = >mailing = >list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra = >.com/m >ailman/listinfo/h-costume A large number = >of the >ladies' costumes were made by = >Jean >Hunnisett=C3=82=C2 for Julie Head. These = >include those >for Margaret Lockwood, and for = >the Princesses >who turned up to be prospective = >brides. The >costumes for Richard Chamberlain = >were made by >Charles Alty. Suzi = >_______________________________________________ = >h- I am very old, and knew Jean Hunnisett and = >Charles Alty. Jean was my Tutor at college, and = >I worked with Charles on a show in London's West = >End. Suzi = >_______________________________________________ = >h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Sarah There is no point in looking them up on the = Internet, as there is virtually no information, = and no pictures that I can find of the costumes. = I can't find anything, anyway. Good luck with your search. 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If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 25 15:50:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9PJovRg000481 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:50:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9PJoq4I014647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9PJobpH060149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9PJoYH6022003; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9PJoWta021980 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so1121790qbc.11 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=dE4x86Et6srbCqcbxlXtccpUZfu4uGu9b34cfc7gywI=; b=AAC50Muyn3KsxqrI0J3yJWUtwCZGOuJio1Ia0Ax79xgadaOj189oms4iprK/+p5GtQ nKV3AaKITQ+mHzllEVzwZyBPDsTWOyrcSHccVq7k0B6oBs1BSUCw46KuGCHkGH6u/+eK P2esk3G/ggEpxXDzJZo9vc3ZCHQIW6BQo0ba0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gz3QXe5mp60dReX7MdV4q0LjD+kUSkhLXCTJq+6A087i5MPuqSpMPybisx2DMR7tAM Ug9dK7SRrXozRCVcKbPYbrrmGqoYOSzwgWJpUfkxYafTuWsouwdQP/lIf1rhFd9rF5u9 RZPvfk2Ih/g5oYIXS4XNkVK3YHdIqI95jEnx4= Received: by 10.210.117.1 with SMTP id p1mr4224783ebc.91.1224964231647; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.105.4 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8833bfda-5749-4911-9c60-160fa4988de3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4903789C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:50:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Nyah, Suzi, you're perfect. --cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose I am very old, and knew Jean Hunnisett and Charles Alty. Jean was my Tutor at college, and I worked with Charles on a show in London's West End. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 03:02:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9Q721LH020816 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:02:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9Q71uIX031712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:02:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9Q6x33E088643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9Q6x0cG044058; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4e.socket.net [216.106.48.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9Q6wuiE044021 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67DA678CA3 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:58:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081025152615.03bf3af8@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4efe3219-4090-44a6-a787-591203c612f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490415E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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"The Swing" by Jean-Honore Fragonard http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/anc_frag_swing.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 03:05:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9Q75MqN020893 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:05:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9Q73veP024981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:04:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9Q72IaK088813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9Q72IY5045592; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4e.socket.net [216.106.48.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9Q72Fhe045565 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A30078C67 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:02:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081025152615.03bf3af8@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc925803-6137-4b86-a516-afe259842992 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4904165D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:04:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This has a few pictures that might help a wee bit. http://www.flixster.com/movie/the-slipper-and-the-rose scroll down -----Original Message----- At 14:52 25/10/2008, you wrote: >So, will I be able to find the actual ctostumes >from the film=C2 with the names you have provided >me? sarah ________________________________ From: >Suzi Clarke To: >Historical Costume Sent: >Saturday, 25 October, 2008 14:46:05 Subject: Re: >[h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose At 14:36 >25/10/2008, you wrote: >Thank you, may I ask how >you found that out? >sarah >________________________________ From: >Suzi >Clarke To: >Historical >Costume Sent: >Saturday, >25 October, 2008 14:20:50 Subject: Re: >[h-cost] >The Slipper and the Rose At 13:02 >25/10/2008, >you wrote: >Dear H-Costume, I have >been doing >research on my >favourite film 'The >Slipper and >the Rose'.=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 The >lady who >designed the >dressses for the ball gown >in 'The >Slipper and >the Rose' is an award >winning >costume designer >and=C3=83=82 I have beenn trying >to >look for her >work she did for the film >and >finding the >dressses she designed. I >was >wondering if you >would have >more >information >on >this. >Sarah >____________ >___________________ >________________ >h-costume >mailing >list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra >.com/m >ailman/listinfo/h-costume A large number >of the >ladies' costumes were made by >Jean >Hunnisett=C3=82=C2 for Julie Head. These >include those >for Margaret Lockwood, and for >the Princesses >who turned up to be prospective >brides. The >costumes for Richard Chamberlain >were made by >Charles Alty. Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h- I am very old, and knew Jean Hunnisett and >Charles Alty. Jean was my Tutor at college, and >I worked with Charles on a show in London's West >End. Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Sarah There is no point in looking them up on the Internet, as there is virtually no information, and no pictures that I can find of the costumes. I can't find anything, anyway. Good luck with your search. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 05:50:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9Q9onug001270 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:50:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9Q9oef5000882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9Q9n4Kf096538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9Q9n2sp020551; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com (n6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.182.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9Q9mwCJ020471 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinewilsonlapaumiere@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.113] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 695586.80942.bm@omp218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84968 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UgV45JtpPxaGyNzlqg0socbsB58ffx/++3YYiBDtgz2XQTMqHm8HadDONMQ79kLS57AP7xhPAPueDnAgL7wIoPf6kGDUYZP6hMwJqZyIsJPPNuAL6549aMwCZQjIOJt2K+8nh2LfsmVJfvW0urKPCkFghxyxWCVMQSZgOa+boe4=; X-YMail-OSG: P2InTsMVM1lXnIoN8876VVsukGmKnr5c91HmU2EmvGmxVP7ew3i_4.jhEqB3kUZA01dosmT2j0LLy6lNT1UFniPHvitY1sjTSuDBWYf6YuCKPvtqOk9F31BD7_pKfhX6rwrXr9R2LUdoswjXXkOGPYW4sJuy Received: from [85.210.74.13] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.11 YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:48:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Sarah Wilson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <458819.84825.qm@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9028b196-33b1-4b5d-8224-b44f806218df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49043D70.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35c68eb4-dcf7-4269-b29b-d25af367a35a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49043DAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This page is interesting, thank you sarah ________________________________ From: otsisto To: Historical Costume Sent: Sunday, 26 October, 2008 6:58:55 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose Though I have not seen the movie, I did find on the web that says the scene with her on a swing was pretty much taken from this painting, even the costume. "The Swing" by Jean-Honore Fragonard http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/anc_frag_swing.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra..com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 06:42:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QAfvpL007047 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:41:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QAeNrN028815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QAcapY098700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QAcYWc047819; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QAcVPj047755 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) X-Trace: 152829055/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/81.86.114.151 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 81.86.114.151 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtQAAN/lA0lRVnKX/2dsb2JhbAAIwC+DT4EN X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,488,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="152829055" X-IP-Direction: OUT Received: from 81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com (HELO [192.168.0.3]) ([81.86.114.151]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2008 10:38:12 +0000 Message-ID: <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:38:08 +0000 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> In-Reply-To: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Underwear & Review of Arnold vol 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2ae1c99-0c89-4d60-9946-99a9e002682a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49044917.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:41:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO here is an interesting article about the meaning of displaying glimpses of underwear in different periods, with a few good illustrations if you persevere, you will find a review of the latest Janet Arnold "Patterns of Fashion" book, which is just being published http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7689554.stm Enjoy! Linda Walton High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 07:21:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QBLKam007903 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:21:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QBLFW3023744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QBJdRQ000762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QBJbG1065091; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QBJY4X065046 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEC6581287 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:19:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSS1DO-pDqnf for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:19:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-17.214.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.214.17]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1867058122E for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:19:32 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:19:19 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ack1Sy7B3u9fNQNPSk6+Pht74p/PqwCETJ8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081026111932.1867058122E@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC Archive X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2eb7b470-6ea9-4a25-b64a-931cb4135570 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490452AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY,URIBL_SBL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gah! 'not available in your area' I kind of understand why they would place restrictions on new content for people outside the UK (especially if they are likely to be able to sell it) but something that is 50 years old and of very limited interest to anyone other than costumers just seems ridiculous. Elizabeth ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Friday, 24 October 2008 7:08 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] BBC Archive Some very interesting programmes - some from 1957 - using original costume from late 17 hundreds through the 18 hundreds http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/whatwewore/index.shtml?option=1 Jill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 08:02:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QC2x0K010712 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:02:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QC2oH6015385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QC0bZ3002476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QC0bqO083245; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QC0Y5s083220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BB4308D8 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49045BD3.2090904@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:00:19 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear & Review of Arnold vol 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a8d2e1d-936b-463f-b5c9-f80dc8e81a0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49045C6A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:02:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Linda Walton wrote: > if you persevere, you will find a review of the latest Janet Arnold > "Patterns of Fashion" book, which is just being published > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7689554.stm Thank you! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 09:29:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QDTrw9012858 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:29:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QDTmH4012270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QDS8Kt007227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QDS6hN026219; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QDS1Rw026170 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ku5ey-0002l6-75 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:28:00 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:26:15 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> Thread-Index: Ack3VxT09Oiwhz1QSAy/ws+kbUiaowAFw8yw X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear & Review of Arnold vol 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d1ee250-8bfa-4b28-8e21-8bff72ad75fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490470CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Amazon UK has it on sale for 15 pounds: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-construction-neckwear-accessories/d p/0333570820 An added bonus is if the book is further reduced before publication, you pay the lowest price. I hope Amazon UK is prepared for the H-Cost influx. I've ordered mine!!! Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 10:50:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QEoo33015213 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QEoism006849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QEn4g4011721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QEn1iu066998; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QEmv0S066956 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1817808778 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <059801c93779$f9dc61b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:48:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] NHR patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf8dfed1-809b-4658-b83b-67536a138f29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490483C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is not a historical pattern, but a general pattern question. I have a McCalls pattern in progress, and I've* misplaced 2 of the 3 instruction sheets. Do any of you know if there is a replacement service for stuff like this, or will I have to buy a whole new pattern? I looked around on the ordering and customer service portions of their web site and didn't see anything. I can sew just about anything with instructions and simple stuff without, but I'm not confident about doing w/o instructions on a moderately complex coat with a lining. (M5717, if anyone is interested). This is the coat for which I was seeking plaid fabric earlier this year. Denise B Iowa *technically, it was my teen daughter who misplaced them while "cleaning", but the result is the same ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 11:10:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QFAvUH015910 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:10:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QFApLS012413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QF9FFx012684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QF9FEJ079636; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QF9CFx079479 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XQ0g1a0080FhH24A4T97Rb; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:09:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XT961a00600zNUK8UT96Xe; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:09:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=yvaFwmceQ3iLvr4UDJYA:9 a=jOoeuXdk5lsMigbBbbgA:7 a=Abt9MuqtR0CKjg8AAra2G8BMlpQA:4 a=birkmQ2h4YEA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <059801c93779$f9dc61b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> References: <059801c93779$f9dc61b0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> Message-Id: <0df558af6904131b6a80fcbd6219a622@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:09:05 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] NHR patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d6589d5-94e8-4300-a187-b9b091d61a8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4904887B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is it a current pattern? If so, they were on sale for .99 up through yesterday at Joanns. I would check if you have a Hancocks nearby and see if they might be on sale there. Sylvia On Oct 26, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Land of Oz wrote: > This is not a historical pattern, but a general pattern question. I > have a McCalls pattern in progress, and I've* misplaced 2 of the 3 > instruction sheets. Do any of you know if there is a replacement > service for stuff like this, or will I have to buy a whole new > pattern? I looked around on the ordering and customer service portions > of their web site and didn't see anything. > > I can sew just about anything with instructions and simple stuff > without, but I'm not confident about doing w/o instructions on a > moderately complex coat with a lining. (M5717, if anyone is > interested). This is the coat for which I was seeking plaid fabric > earlier this year. > > Denise B > Iowa > > *technically, it was my teen daughter who misplaced them while > "cleaning", but the result is the same ;-) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 12:52:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QGqS3D020018 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:52:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QGqNOE026224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:52:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QGootP018314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QGombc037363; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QGolMq037348 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarrollclark@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e12so1003416qbe.1 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HsDij68vB5/eUCwOc1gJBBoSWcTtq1XC3XmR3xpA7HA=; b=vYHT2DZ8sNgAqTpOPaWB0QbIqrdj2tWBh+f4ZW1dBuDH7C6SiyXPORWO7vB04xzpja 693XaMqsA7Nngmok4YLErjacbP5PsiCq4DwESR92YbpB4aAZZ2J5Sbo0Ye0y150/Pau+ yeJHjJgmwOt4L6nIZX/4o9Lcs5xdzii9Akn2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q8nkmzjeDQF/ozAZ3otNzoeD0Spw1OBf6lHeOJYJnbIMLhdqMw7ANncdtQ9Kutd3nR t7GTHkNc5XrlKw2nKvDLZGqSceO68etBJ6VyvRAH/pl/hn1JbWC+HP4UxxgTS3U0ujUr yMt2ILansZ9ECmlgs3nL5vwU9gHUFSyCSgi8I= Received: by 10.64.209.6 with SMTP id h6mr5220190qbg.94.1225039847143; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? (CPE001ee5489d17-CM001a666bbb7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.242.211.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm4768482qbp.16.2008.10.26.09.50.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49049FD7.9050009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <0MKwh2-1Kt6TF06Mm-0003md@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> <49044890.1050106@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear & Review of Arnold vol 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 284e9369-e1a2-4d0b-8ec0-39f50742fa92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4904A047.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Glenda Robinson wrote: > Amazon UK has it on sale for 15 pounds: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patterns-Fashion-construction-neckwear-accessories/d > p/0333570820 > An added bonus is if the book is further reduced before publication, you pay > the lowest price. > > I hope Amazon UK is prepared for the H-Cost influx. > > I've ordered mine!!! Same here. I ended up saving about $15 over the Canadian price, even including the overseas shipping. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 13:20:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QHKLfb020748 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:20:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QHKFe9004265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QHIiF3019924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QHIhDT052572; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9QHIeQj052476 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sheridanalder@yahoo.ca) Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 17:18:34 -0000 Received: from [69.147.84.114] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 17:18:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 17:18:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952020.83537.bm@omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1692 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2008 17:18:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=tHYfXkpDC+8hPb9QdRNyJBX7jrZfT/cvV2donknlq8fWfm/xaHCJIMm1VXXm2fEH2YEGvaX3z/eaSxLWKtxSMuCGupZUaz8qjB0lPgTFmXLTaJMHN59ZC95zHlJey9VKi9KUz4L1whG88NmwtLqwVDfw6ZtWdCQjG34ASQw3FJA=; X-YMail-OSG: LxBv_M0VM1lc7kc_D1QMXdIaiL4gM2s1GlfxVeACp5bDxuyhaK2rzHurThbfXf17UttUsyq9Gf1CZjve.hS7hvHIIut0XzeXzwjgaz0Cq8rs3j2WlbCKIqFgqwevB3DnS7yUhDzzHEcLN1qVIaG.VB8MQmQ- Received: from [216.121.146.151] by web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:18:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.11 YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheridan Alder To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <783147.1536.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear & Review of Arnold vol 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07147af0-6b25-4735-aeb1-7518dcf15616 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4904A6CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:20:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe there's a number of librarians on this list, like myself. Did anyone else note the first image of the be-spectacled models clutching red books matching their scarlet bras? Naughty librarians! Note to self - must buy red bra. Second note to self - don't forget to button up shirt before going to work, though. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:19:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FB_NUMYO,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > This is a really cute coat! > I think so too -- making it for my 14 yo daughter in a mostly black plaid. Since we don't have enough fabric, the lapels and pocket flaps are plain black wool, same as the lining. She wanted it without either the bottom ruffle, or the sleeve ruffles, so it's a hybrid of the views shown. As a winter coat, it will need some insulation in-between the fabric and the lining. Any suggestions? I was thinking the old-fashioned all-cotton quilt batting, sandwiched between some gauze would work, but since I'm posting OT here anyway, I thought I'd ask for suggestions of something better. Better as in: warmer and already faced with something. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 26 15:35:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9QJZqtn031600 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:35:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9QJZg7u005017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9QJZRbv028114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QJZQrx035144; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9QJZMrV035064 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d3d.2e3d8a94 (32915) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:34:39 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] NHR patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5086ea93-c865-4099-ae50-ff95722159ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4904C68F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FB_NUMYO,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would definitely need more insulation than even a flannel backed lining satin - Thinsulate is my fave. Here's one link: http://www.seattlefabrics.com/insulations.html HTH, Sandy At 02:18 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >>This is a really cute coat! > >I think so too -- making it for my 14 yo daughter in a mostly black >plaid. Since we don't have enough fabric, the lapels and pocket >flaps are plain black wool, same as the lining. She wanted it >without either the bottom ruffle, or the sleeve ruffles, so it's a >hybrid of the views shown. > >As a winter coat, it will need some insulation in-between the fabric >and the lining. Any suggestions? I was thinking the old-fashioned >all-cotton quilt batting, sandwiched between some gauze would work, >but since I'm posting OT here anyway, I thought I'd ask for >suggestions of something better. Better as in: warmer and already >faced with something. > >Denise B >Iowa >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume "Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 27 05:31:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9R9VE1F024217 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:31:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9R9Tnmg029769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:30:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9R9SnEZ067504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9R9SkS1038296; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9R9SgoG038228 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg01.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.223]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m9R9SZJ00425.; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:28:36 GMT Received: from MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.1; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:23:59 +0000 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.42]) with mapi; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:28:35 +0000 From: Kate Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:28:33 +0000 Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 384 Thread-Index: Ack3jw3IYTJXYiu+QNyryzWgJnzIXwAhg5YA Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487BDF44C188@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 384 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40357d55-52f7-4b8e-9cd5-ade3d0339806 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49058A0D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Linda Walton wrote: >here is an interesting article about the meaning of displaying glimpses >of underwear in different periods, with a few good illustrations >if you persevere, you will find a review of the latest Janet Arnold >"Patterns of Fashion" book, which is just being published >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7689554.stm Excellent, thanks, Linda! We used to say "Charlie's dead" when I was at school in the late 50s-60s, but I've not heard the phrase mentioned since. My comment on the recent "Tudors" TV series was that the women show too much hair and not enough linen. None of the leading ladies looks as though she is wearing a smock under her gown. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 27 14:03:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9RI3279010274 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9RI2u6F025856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:03:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9RI2KH0011194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RI2GD2026471; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from estamail.org (estamail.org [209.216.253.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RI2BsP026391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:02:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mmbennett@esta.org) Received: (qmail 4833 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2008 09:54:49 -0800 Date: 27 Oct 2008 09:54:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20081027175449.4831.qmail@estamail.org> From: mmbennett@esta.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Office X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ede3315c-87fa-4e7c-94ab-91f35ef6b1f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49060250.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you need to reach me about the exams at LDI please call my cell phone at 646-732-0176. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 29 11:31:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9TFVHD5014697 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:31:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9TFTK8X002316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:31:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9TFSr5s069713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TFSnPF014025; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TFSlCO013920 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so845570gxk.23 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=zhjz6FHIYT5pcZSk5yKBP/9MDdyBgthYLTIndy3le/s=; b=sVggFSajyU+gSs9YBNXytXPESsdtZw4JE3YU/ynca47Qf+jWmAcT/bsJaZvKLIa/aU Qp2bMNqR1F+DKKMCRx6k4cNzB77WB/T8yA44kduwRjODOViIRG/G+F/i3aqmXoDoJWt/ nClOyYZNDAB7ftaDBXbs+oKt1f4luzUuYRH9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Z2Oo0wM5zw1RBubbx0eFStnChPtmbecIEV6Gnbg2bWAQElwfIoLNy9gt24f1N6/Rtj J7x/SuXDokOkUj6rM8u7xv5AlzQCLcKjLf789iQRX2RoPbJvExb3dWJ6XEFziLtmea2B 9M+N7fEPMlQmfX/9cqSCgg9X1/AQiau+kIA3U= Received: by 10.65.119.14 with SMTP id w14mr9448692qbm.11.1225294122078; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.185.14 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:41 -0700 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] 16th century purse frames X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53b77e96-e58a-4f6f-a5e7-8259a562962e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49088150.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A whle back someone posted a link to a source for purse frames that are 15-16th century instead of the Victorian and later stuff we usually see. Unfortunately I seem to have lost the link and now, of course, someone needs it. Can anyone help? I think Bjarne may have fouind it initially. Thanks MaggiRos -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 29 18:09:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9TM9K4Z005546 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:09:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9TM9ER0028962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:09:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9TM3hUk009903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TM3esv088959; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TM3aId088798 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49156] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id 3A/97-29848-BADD8094; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:03:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:03:15 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! 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TA Carol--now to await the mails... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 29 19:14:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9TNE3Sx008989 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:14:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9TNDw0Z004474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:14:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9TNDPoM016269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TNDODW048334; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway11.websitewelcome.com (gateway11.websitewelcome.com [64.5.52.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9TNDKmx048279 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 23966 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 23:26:34 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway11.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 23:26:34 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47197) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KvKE2-0004ap-Et; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:18 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20081029191318.cy6ub56rk04g0wks@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:13:18 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f80453b1-c818-41a4-89ca-fb70b4381ca1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4908EE36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting cahuff : > Wahooo! > Amazon just charged me for Vol 4. It should be inn the mails today > And the best part, the pound is down so it only cost $35 American > Happy Happy happy!!!! > TA > Carol--now to await the mails... crosses fingers. I"ve not gotten that notification yet ... but I"m hoping! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 30 10:27:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9UERKnu014932 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:27:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UEPtuQ019631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9UEPCdl063606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEP9Gm058892; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEP6Tw058842 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id BDFB12E81BF for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 548FD2E80EC for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2268C1802AB for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:25:06 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! Thread-Index: Ack6Eu/w+mF7ewgPTFamX8rEkg5BcAAiCetA References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2dbe1cb-eeac-4d67-bd04-6516680cf9f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4909C3F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:26:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, it is $49.95 at Amazon.com, and wait is 2-4 wks, so don't know if I'll get it soon if at all, but ordered it anyway. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of cahuff Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:03 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! Wahooo! Amazon just charged me for Vol 4. It should be inn the mails today And the best part, the pound is down so it only cost $35 American Happy Happy happy!!!! TA Carol--now to await the mails... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 30 10:33:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9UEXfhn015133 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:33:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UEXVEM020448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9UEWq7h064038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEWql9065253; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEWn0R065220 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9K0048N32D22F3@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:32:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-86-14.eastlink.ca (HELO BlaikeHouse) ([24.137.86.14]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:50:43 -0300 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:32:23 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAD9iCUkYiVYO/2dsb2JhbACCecoYg1E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,515,1220238000"; d="scan'208,217";a="443922821" X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:33:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not historic in nature, but can anyone advise other than my suggestion of a vinegar/water spray and brushing with a clean clothes brush? Thank you Sarah Paterson/Bess Darnley ----- Original Message ----- I need your advice, please. Carole-Ann has an expensive 100% light wool suit that is shiny from too much dry cleaning. What corrective action, if any, can be taken? Love, Mom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 30 10:39:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9UEdcQ0015383 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:39:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UEdTHF005133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:39:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9UEdFPc064554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEdFF6070788; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UEdAg1070724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UEdAA6009671 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:10 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20081030093910.fsbesraw0ksgcksk@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:10 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Fabric Advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54d93346-c726-491b-9edb-39e22fec4ce1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4909C722.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:39:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bess, I don't know why I didn't realize you were on this list. I think a vinegar/water spray and brushing are a good start; it seems likely that the problem is over-pressing, rather than the actual cleaning process, which means the fibers are flattened and polished. The brush would raise a little bit of a nap and cut down on reflection. If it were just the wool layer, and mine, I'd consider immersing it in lukewarm water to let the fibers relax to something like their original state. I don't think that's a good idea with a finished suit, though. (I don't know what water-soluble sizings might be in the interfacings) Emma/Jane Quoting SPaterson : > Not historic in nature, but can anyone advise other than my > suggestion of a vinegar/water spray and brushing with a clean > clothes brush? > > Thank you > > Sarah Paterson/Bess Darnley > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I need your advice, please. Carole-Ann has an expensive 100% light > wool suit that is shiny from too much dry cleaning. What corrective > action, if any, can be taken? > > > > Love, > > > > Mom > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 30 14:07:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9UI70Pn026240 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:07:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UI6mpa014885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:06:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9UI6OZc082564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UI6LRv070721; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UI6J65070684 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so373886nfb.41 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=MKEe6TRdqFU0fUCa+ym/DB5yGlQrRDNlHdAIyqJr410=; b=LivK7jTCd4bMOAbq+lhjLwVMDyqDK+9F0yitnHFI5gHqRL3uvbosv4PuTq7IgarbOC qmJm3bAtplwNGf+rnBHM7Oo7qfMRGfmc3syehHc6boixPZ0sss7AeijjlOSPYcFBVHvO N/f9CR5oHVszgCWKCkW+85FEa+0BhcBwnn6kw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LZ14gb22/FXjNBKsvOLbBBJnpRvaQtcVR1tSs5kR244rz50/9VUmLhSeJXIyuF3H7s J565F3PM1M6DRO6licwCSAf8sKC2I4ZVzT5ivXcokr2xXitYqbQQgQ+jyfti/379vV1e Na5og2CNicQu/Knb2968RtXXTVV0AiF9WsdEE= Received: by 10.210.26.14 with SMTP id 14mr7903788ebz.106.1225389979446; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.105.4 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 829f771e-8908-4499-a986-b8b3beedde2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4909F7B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:06:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Amazon just charged me for Vol 4. It should be inn the mails today > And the best part, the pound is down so it only cost $35 American > Happy Happy happy!!!! > TA- I got my hands on it and read it last nite. Then I started making the 1590 Dutch rebato. Fun! Also, does anyone remember the contact info for the more scholarly historical costume list that formed oh maybe a year back? -cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 30 14:36:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9UIaHVC028048 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9UIaBOh004384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:36:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9UIZeZR085007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UIZdN5098581; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UIZcci098556 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so317846yxb.71 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=4gfyQwC7bfw8wOrkBnlLkBSejwsVIAQexCe5Cz7uSZU=; b=SkXOGvwWNYRyp5Ckb+ilmZmNW937aAXN9nzBODxehvRFrBJWDbRxCW/rZimRRHywfX eDCqK3rWxWvDiHf95YqVzeVcHuNNCLt4X2C+0tUzv/N8XLjDhig+6jTVo515DU3Ttlua xDcJS5FDQgw38EOKc5sP3VXbmncvXibhAeOUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=Bp8+GaB/T5Ffq+X7utt3I3oXXzBEbW+oZS1QoiwbTM/Z+fNNivXBpp2NwyZlbwb136 hxkOoSHo4l7xUDLe6hItTJz4fjL/QEKqO7vxovoPw5aY23Zt35QlOyA7Gt5T2ldu+wbQ G/yhQgcKuoVeTZcS/HPFS3ZYQKteyShvkuzXE= Received: by 10.142.201.3 with SMTP id y3mr4850622wff.279.1225391737360; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm3377991wfg.9.2008.10.30.11.35.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:35:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack6umRtNGcSy7uARKeTdiVcEn2fDwAAfFVg Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4909fe71.1e078e0a.467e.5e99@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] J Arnold Vol 4 Happy Dance! 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(VPS 081030-0, 30/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <20081030093910.fsbesraw0ksgcksk@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Fabric Advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b101d858-8326-4fa4-b152-ac94f603bc44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 490A4862.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:51:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you, Jane ! :) Hugs Bess ----- Original Message ----- > Bess, I don't know why I didn't realize you were on this list. > > I think a vinegar/water spray and brushing are a good start; it seems > likely that the problem is over-pressing, rather than the actual > cleaning process, which means the fibers are flattened and polished. > The brush would raise a little bit of a nap and cut down on reflection. > > If it were just the wool layer, and mine, I'd consider immersing it in > lukewarm water to let the fibers relax to something like their > original state. I don't think that's a good idea with a finished > suit, though. (I don't know what water-soluble sizings might be in > the interfacings) > > Emma/Jane > > Quoting SPaterson : > >> Not historic in nature, but can anyone advise other than my >> suggestion of a vinegar/water spray and brushing with a clean >> clothes brush? >> >> Thank you >> >> Sarah Paterson/Bess Darnley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> I need your advice, please. Carole-Ann has an expensive 100% light >> wool suit that is shiny from too much dry cleaning. What corrective >> action, if any, can be taken? >> >> >> >> Love, >> >> >> >> Mom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 11:20:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VFKWWj009677 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:20:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VFJ7vx026652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VFIRMN068500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VFIN1E063321; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VFILnF063289 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1308088wfg.23 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=/ADQjYDMFBuZ4NLR+Cm+jZZNhEi0f67zQis2YrOdK+o=; b=LUBAh/H+POQ6HvRlbCi6FEQ/uTh477rvMu4yRn+hSL353HNfP3PYMs07gISMwaDmgM RyeSSnEb1q8g9JQyZQ1/tzjE9DxrNgg/UGcdvUzIYs3fLk4HgNCL7LuZe6qSN07PT4iP Xvv34dkY4UimiD+VKQOEq1h2Pk2fDQ/wEgYx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; b=FW/dVskh2T5AHvdfo6MhH2pzq4VTQku3K8LsDy6EMmiNRi004+hisbmJvlr4MbUfEM n4niP1TUlqMXd2k7BSsy8v9MQPqp46KRp367e39/jFX2ljizA1KXrDf/tTIgBVTsnpTE mldm+60X3Zuv/PuFC6i+8ztC4SsSuPNxhCtlM= Received: by 10.142.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr5461651wff.113.1225466300867; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm5853433wfa.8.2008.10.31.08.18.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:18:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack7asIPMGkpHgrxSumYwrM+Ux5npA== Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <490b21bb.20018e0a.6ce9.091b@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book is confirmed!!! 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Suzi = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 12:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VGILU4011719 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:18:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VGHqq0027658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VGGtC6073440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VGGsq1027496; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VGGk7H027282 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031161640.OHYT4904.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:16:40 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031161639.HQTD10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:16:39 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:16:17 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081031161639.HQTD10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fWU3Suz3lqGPu/ziWi0xOA==:17 a=b594s0659ydkPAqhIzAA:9 a=Cfh_1ldtQ0ULlFdJaquK6O609_0A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13b97297-c8e2-4084-8282-edc358e5ae16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490B2FB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:17:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The following two books have been released and are now shipping from Amazon-UK. (My copies are on the way...) The Clothing of the Renaissance World: Europe Asia Africa The Americas: Cesare Vecellio's Habiti Antichi Et Moderni by Ann Jones, Margaret F. Rosenthal Hardcover: 560 pages Thames & Hudson Ltd (27 Oct 2008) ISBN-10: 0500514267 ISBN-13: 978-0500514269 Patterns of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of linen shirts, smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men and women c.1540-1660. Macmillan (7 Nov 2008) Paperback: 128 pages ISBN-10: 0333570820 ISBN-13: 978-0333570821 Sometime back, this list discussed this new edition of Vecellio and it has been much anticipated. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 12:28:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VGSmZN012240 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VGSgCt024135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VGRhxw074263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VGRgC6037377; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:27:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VGRd6g037264 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031162733.VQKO22277.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031162731.HUQX10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:27:31 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:27:22 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081031162731.HUQX10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MT_Ve6b3vkAA:10 a=YNJgFG8HfnEA:10 a=fWU3Suz3lqGPu/ziWi0xOA==:17 a=3U1qlfwHpS_Rh9XNTf0A:9 a=wl31w8RsMfB8uZ0UGNAA:7 a=7Awv6ckJTWX1FHbAeWRUXmRfc3EA:4 a=rCILQYlsaxwA:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72be2174-6116-4ccb-ae96-1b82f7609929 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490B323A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO From Beth Matney: I am building a "wish list" of books from France = for my reference collection. I already have some = titles (other than those listed below... either = in French or translation) and would appreciate = comments on the following (and suggestions of others). Thanks. Pinasa, Delphine. Costumes. Modes et mani=E8res = d'=EAtre, (tome 1). Patrimoine vivant. Paris: = R.E.M.P.ART., 1992. ISBN:2904365133 9782904365133 OCLC:32681329 Paperback. 8vo-over 7=BE"-9=BE" tall. illustrated = history of French medieval costume Ce livre propose un aper=E7u de l'histoire du = v=EAtement de l'antiquit=E9 grecque et romaine = jusqu'au Moyen =C2ge fran=E7ais (XIVe si=E8cle). Cet = expos=E9 sur l'=E9volution des =E9l=E9ments de = l'habillement au gr=E9 des diff=E9rentes = civilisations est un outil pr=E9cieux pour les = lecteurs qui s'initient =E0 l'histoire du costume = mais aussi pour ceux qui recherchent une = documentation fiable et compl=E8te au sujet de ce patrimoine. Aubry, Viviane. Costumes. Tome II, Sculptures de = l'=E9ph=E9m=E8re, 1340-1670. Patrimoine vivant. Paris: = REMPART, 1998. ISBN:2904365338 9782904365331 = 2220042561 9782220042565 OCLC:40751886 Du XIVe si=E8cle au XVIIe si=E8cle, s'est install=E9e = une nouvelle perception du corps v=EAtu. Dans ce = deuxi=E8me tome de l'histoire du costume, l'auteur = retrace l'=E9volution de ces nouveaux codes vestimentaires Becchia, Alain. La draperie en Normandie du XIIIe = au XXe si=E8cle. Rouen: Publications de = l'Universite de Rouen, 2004. ISBN:2877753638 9782877753630 OCLC:56750959 L'histoire de la Normandie est intimement li=E9e =E0 = celle de la production de la draperie. Pendant = plus de sept si=E8cles, du Moyen =C2ge jusqu'=E0 la = fermeture en 1970 de l'entreprise Blin & Blin, la = Normandie a =E9t=E9 le berceau de cette activit=E9 = industrielle et artisanale, source d'emploi et de = prosp=E9rit=E9. Le coton, la laine, voire le chanvre = et le lin ont =E9t=E9 largement exploit=E9s par de = nombreuses entreprises, dont les plus =E9minentes = se situaient dans la ville d'Elbeuf. C'est =E0 = cette tradition d=E9sormais r=E9volue que chercheurs = et historiens, sp=E9cialistes de l'histoire = r=E9gionale ont consacr=E9 une quinzaine d'=E9tudes. = Ils analysent la production des diff=E9rents = centres normands, les r=E9seaux de = commercialisation et d'exportation, les = m=E9canismes de transferts et de technologie. = L'ouvrage se compose de trois parties : la = premi=E8re retrace la draperie =E0 l'=E9poque = m=E9di=E9vale, la seconde concerne les =E9changes et = exportations, la troisi=E8me traite de l'apog=E9e et du d=E9clin de cette a= ctivit=E9. Beaune (France). Dr=F4les de trames : Tapisseries = m=E9di=E9vales et contemporaines. [Beaune]: Muse es = de Beaune, 2002. ISBN:2850565946 9782850565946 OCLC:52471414 120 pp. With 104 ills. (101 col. ) and 41 reference ills. 28 x 26 cm. La Ville de Beaune, qui abrite une importante = collection de tapisseries m=E9di=E9vales (Tenture de = la Vie de la Vierge et tapisseries de = l'H=F4tel-Dieu), a par ailleurs jou=E9 un r=F4le de = m=E9c=E8ne, encourageant ainsi la cr=E9ation lorsque = cet art renaissait apr=E8s 1945. La confrontation = entre tradition et modernit=E9 met en lumi=E8re = continuit=E9s et diff=E9rences: une complicit=E9 se = dessine entre les lissiers anonymes du XVe si=E8cle = et les artistes r=E9novateurs, tels Jean Lur=E7at, = Marcel Gromaire, Marc Saint-Sa=EBns, Mario = Prassinos, Michel Tourli=E8re... L'art de la = tapisserie est toujours bien vivant, comme le = montrent les oeuvres contemporaines de Mario = Botta, Diana Brennan, Ester Chacon-Avila, Bernard = Fortin, Thomas Gleb, Josep Grau-Garriga, Fabrice = Hybert, ou G=E9rard Michot. Magnificence des = grandes commandes du Moyen =C2ge et force cr=E9atrice = des artistes qui ont choisi ce moyen d'expression = se r=E9pondent et offrent au lecteur une aventure =E9motionnelle haute en c= ouleur. Greimas, Algirdas Julien. Ancien fran=E7ais: [la = langue du Moyen Age de 1080 =E0 1350]. Grand = dictionnaire Larousse. Paris: Larousse, 2007. = ISBN:9782035827074 2035827078 OCLC:254489605 23.6 = x 15.6 x 4.2 cm Paperback: 672 pages Cet ouvrage pr=E9sente le fran=E7ais en usage au = Moyen Age de 1080 (date de cr=E9ation de la Chanson = de Roland) =E0 1350. Chaque article regroupe les = d=E9riv=E9s sous les entr=E9es principales et donne les = diff=E9rents sens des mots et des locutions. Chaque = mot est accompagn=E9 de son =E9tymologie, de la date = de sa premi=E8re apparition dans un texte =E9crit et = des r=E9f=E9rences de celui ci. Des citations = extraites d'oeuvres et des exemples rendent = compte des coutumes de l'=E9poque. Des notices = claires et document=E9es pour comprendre facilement = l'=E9volution de la langue par exemple que leu = signifiait loup ce qui explique l'expression =E0 la = queue leu leu que plain voulait dire plat d'o=F9 la = graphie de plain pied ou que aveugle se disait et = s'=E9crivait nonvoiant comme on le dit aujourd'hui. Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. = [Saint-Leger-Vauban]: Zodiaque, 1998. = ISBN:2736902394 9782736902391 OCLC:39124464 261pp, 178 pls (most col) L'auteur =E9voque un th=E8me essentiel au Moyen Age, = puisque la femme y prend pour la premi=E8re fois = une place majeure dans la culture et l'histoire : = les reines marquent le pouvoir politique, les = femmes pr=E9sident =E0 des activit=E9s qui leur avaient = =E9t=E9 refus=E9es jusqu'alors. Dans l'art, la figure = de la femme personnifie les vertus et les vices, la sagesse et l'=C9glise. Russon, Marc. Les c=F4tes guerri=E8res: la mer, la = guerre, les pouvoirs dans la France oceanique au = Moyen Age. Rennes: Presses universitaires de = Rennes, 2004. ISBN:2868479618 9782868479617 (pbk.) OCLC:56552819 1 volume/1. Broch=E9 coll=E9 . Format in-8=B0( 15,5 x24 = cm )( 860 gr ). 520 pages . 7 chapitres : La = fa=E7ade oc=E9anique du royaume de France au XIIIe = si=E8cle, d=E9finitions et =E9tat des lieux - Le temps, = l'espace et les formes du conflit - = L'intervention du pouvoir politique: la = fortification du littoral et des places maritimes = - L'action des pouvoirs: d=E9fense des c=F4tes, guet = de la mer et garnisons - D=E9fense au large et = lutte contre l'ins=E9curit=E9 maritime: flottes et = convois, police des ports et des mers - Lutte = contre l'ins=E9curit=E9 et contr=F4le du monde = maritime: justice et diplomatie - Dirigeants et = id=E9es: les politiques maritimes et navales =E0 = l'=E9preuve - Ex=E9cutants et autres acteurs: = officiers et auxiliaires maritimes, pirates et = corsaires - Sources et bibliographie; Cet ouvrage = traite d=92un large pan profond=E9ment m=E9connu de = l=92histoire m=E9di=E9vale maritime, celui des luttes = opini=E2tres qui virent s=92affronter les =C9tats pour = le contr=F4le de la voie oc=E9anique bordant le = royaume de France. Les fracas des batailles = navales, des si=E8ges et blocus de places fortes, = des descentes de pillards sur les c=F4tes, presque = incessant pendant la guerre de Cent Ans, = s=92accompagnaient des ravages accomplis par des = corsaires et des pirates. L=92=C9tat monarchique = fran=E7ais prit progressivement conscience de = l=92importance de l=92enjeu maritime et littoral et = s=92engagea dans une conqu=EAte laborieuse, = finalement victorieuse, de la fa=E7ade oc=E9anique. Cet ouvrage =E9tudie toutes les formes de = l'intervention des =C9tats pour contr=F4ler le = littoral : fortifier la c=F4te, mener la guerre = maritime, se garder des agresseurs et sp=E9cialement des pirates. Rouyer, Jules, and Eugene Hucher. Histoire du = jeton au moyen age. 1982. ISBN:2863770047 9782863770047 OCLC:251471703 1858, r=E9=E9d. 1982 (pr=E9face de M. Pastoureau), 186 p., 17 pl. Pastoureau, Michel. Le V=EAtement: histoire, = arch=E9ologie et symbolique vestimentaires au Moyen = Age. Cahiers du Leopard d'or, 1. Paris: Leopard = d'or, 1989. ISBN:2863770896 9782863770894 OCLC:23694261 Paperback. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > In a message dated 10/26/2008 3:18:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > landofoz@netins.net writes: > > As a winter coat, it will need some insulation in-between the fabric and > the > > lining. Any suggestions? > ------------------------------------------------------- : wrote: > > Flannel > > or if you can find it, line it with flannel backed satin. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' The coat is almost done, and I wish I had taken AlbertCat's suggestion. I bought something similar to thinsulate, as the LFS was out of thinsulate. I don't remember what she called it, but what I bought resembles a thick synthetic craft felt. Slightly less stiff and slightly more fluffy than craft felt. Now that the coat is assembled, I think it's too thick. My daughter thinks it's wonderful and warm, so that's okay, I guess. Also, I never did find the direction pages 2 and 3, so the construction is probably a little unorthodox. I assumed that since there were several separate pattern pieces for the lining that they would be cut slightly smaller. That does not appear to have been the case. Either that, or the thickness of the insulation is changing the lining's fit. If I hadn't whip stitched the insulation pieces together over the lining seams (to make it lay flat) I think I would go back and add another 1/8 in to the lining seams. A few of them, at least, but undoing the hand stitching, re-sewing the seams, trimming the insulation and re-stitching just seems like a little too much work. ;-) Well, thanks for all the advice! When the hem and buttons are done, I'll post a photo on flickr for anyone who wants to see it. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 13:55:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VHtITh015474 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:55:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VHtCrO031618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VHsTsq086304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VHsQKY027309; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VHsMNh027231 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so480638eyi.23 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=MAwy/bHdoyNup5V7+mdfQLL1TOd3ugo9LQCXgGIiw+k=; b=EYM6CXMO8ISO6gsl7mzfX5uyIQ9GwSvWl1TGdDskHgWBOOkEBN2nPuYywP59x0vOBQ 0GLRlOh41y+0J2nukC8LKA+5Z7XqhxPxhsCLXI0LafbKbpJUfbjXZlC9zhNJO71cwxh0 E4vhCV4H9IKmh5F0IC8x4SoI3QYRgZ9owsB6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=whPIXb6yz6hAlTLYeFXM04xs2EQfz2y5xtfBpfkHWvvuX314Q/K3RC5WXyvS5r5Aff oJsuaSjCbXlJfMvkZ/d86kMPpYoNryYEtElUZjqZtiUhjpBi3p/hXPVLeYIaCA0Y8Ilb +fPjxMgOYp+Pm8zfdCGF7jq7lA9I/ndcC9YY0= Received: by 10.210.92.8 with SMTP id p8mr13720983ebb.101.1225475661369; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.105.4 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:21 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] scholarly historical costume list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddc7774c-55f1-498f-a98e-f007770b6807 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490B4680.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, there's more? Undoubtedly there are. I'm looking for one that's more prone to scholarly info rather than sewing & construction questions and where to buy questions. This list is great for that info. My personal preferences are for Renaissance, Napoleonic, Regency, Victorian high fashions, advanced tailoring, but I'm willing to skip over the parts I'm not interest in. Several lists may end up serving my various areas of interest & that's fine, too. Happy to take all suggestions. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com >>Also, does anyone remember the contact info for the more scholarly >>historical costume list that formed oh maybe a year back? -cin >Are you talking about the one where we are discussing the conference about Arnold and other such conferences or a different one? >Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 14:19:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VIJpQD016364 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VIJjp4014114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VIE9HS087937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIE9Uw046070; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIE2NA045962 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so603497ywe.71 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KqIYl3FvMqMeMJLWl7QyZMXhE5EiONTdhICyupYIy70=; b=svJ+AJUQlT3fVHxYq4WC3KkXjlxFX96C+XHoKug+0+mVWs1wBy1sW1og3phlt+m9x4 5E9ktPW3Gh7K2n1ydin+TEE+GSEMBTpi1AbP/7xDdzfgC0MR97x0gr3yfrGDBYAb7uTi mivvzImk0reUr18f9JTfqGLeDUQy5Y5j8cryY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Crp+YhNnlI7oEhF7wKO/tuxP/pMYe4tF2Pfd4TgpuYEdwsYOKlYS+tmA6bqJcEC29s NTnzVrlvqZo6XKE5IwSLh8DCol4zLvY9m817uw++BeWkknr+kkbeoLEZXibaETMBEGNR 3K1fzpTXsdjGKomnW4veChVzpVT+DMk2Pg4T0= Received: by 10.90.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr5084497agb.24.1225476845199; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.120.7 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0810311114v19297372l283695e3448bdb75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:14:04 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081031162731.HUQX10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081031162731.HUQX10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0f4ef73-71ad-4a7d-a177-48417f8b3767 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490B4C41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, I can't tell you much about many of those, but I do have a few commen= ts: > Greimas, Algirdas Julien. Ancien fran=E7ais: [la langue du Moyen Age de 1= 080 =E0 > 1350]. Grand dictionnaire Larousse. This is really an Old French dictionary. Meaning that, if you're reading an old text and want to know what a word means, it might help you. But it won't help you to find the way something was called in the past, if you already know the modern word. > Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. [Saint-Leger-Vauban]: I don't know what the book is worth, but she's a very good writer, a specialist of the Middle Ages and also very prolific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 14:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VIjmcR017152 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VIjg9X027437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VIjOdH090233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIjMPb073924; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:45:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/Tnjlv0tTiEHULQGtGeTCp/uNGWe0tklM@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIjIEn073843 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m9VIjIPG007882 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 26035 invoked by uid 80); 31 Oct 2008 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.5.179.53) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 18:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <490B51C0.4010703@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:43:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] scholarly historical costume list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ba3e0a4-1d6c-466d-b4ac-6f05b06d8492 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490B5256.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cin wrote: > Oh, there's more? Undoubtedly there are. I'm looking for one that's > more prone to scholarly info rather than sewing & construction > questions and where to buy questions. You might be thinking of the list for discussing and announcing sources that Beth Matney formed after our discussion at Kalamazoo this past spring: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-DISCUSS/ and the announcement-only version: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEDTC-RESOURCES/ --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 14:53:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VIro2u017409 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:53:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VIrj2s031221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:53:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VIrRWZ091041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIrRlb082046; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/u0q6PFmhTPivPyRlEi9mc5UQ0UaqLEfs@mail45.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIrOcf081984 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail45.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m9VIrMc2005484 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:53:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 25385 invoked by uid 80); 31 Oct 2008 18:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.5.179.53) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 18:48:17 -0000 Message-ID: <490B5277.4010501@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:46:15 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20081031162731.HUQX10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <16a2233a0810311114v19297372l283695e3448bdb75@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0810311114v19297372l283695e3448bdb75@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff052cc0-f161-4a94-9a8e-06c2cb88d7d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490B5439.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:53:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. [Saint-Leger-Vauban]: > > I don't know what the book is worth, but she's a very good writer, a > specialist of the Middle Ages and also very prolific. (Catching up late) I found this first in German, on a clearance rack somewhere in Europe, and bought it for the pictures. Then I found it in French, on a clearance rack in Paris, some years later, and bought it for the pictures as well as the text. I had not realized it was the same book, but I'm glad to have the French. (I don't read German!) I've already sold the German copy to a German-speaker. Lots of good images of artwork you don't find very often. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:05:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJ5XgF018163 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:05:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJ5Rtl010962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VIxaoG091696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIxZob088332; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VIxV1u088160 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.44]) by bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:59:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:59:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.139.17.30] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:59:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2008 18:59:25.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF41810:01C93B8A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1c168cb-006e-4db3-a59c-e650de2fd0d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490B56F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was expecting - win! :0) Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:08:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJ8ExX018275 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:08:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJ89BW006725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:08:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJ0H9W091815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJ0HW6089183; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJ0EAn089015 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031190009.DGYA4923.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:00:09 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.29]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081031190008.RRSP28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:00:08 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:00:05 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081031190008.RRSP28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IU_3yASCw5sA:10 a=OXcIIzs-s_UA:10 a=fWU3Suz3lqGPu/ziWi0xOA==:17 a=X8NsJwS5YIO6E5auq7QA:9 a=PLF8Js3CXPtlXu-3IkXyufKH82MA:4 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] scholarly historical costume list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f793e85-4d9a-4bb9-a802-7ef4124b797f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490B5799.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, there are several that you may be interested in. "MEDTC-DISCUSS" (approval required... to keep the spammers away) MEDTC-RESOURCES@yahoogroups.com (edited version of above.. newsletter only list.. cannot post directly) I started these almost a year ago, but the majority of the posts have been mine, so it has been mostly posts of new book notices, journal articles of interest, conferences, etc. Quite a few have joined these lists, but traffic has been slow lately. Members are from the USA, UK, various Scandinavian countries and Germany, but unfortunately none from France, Italy or eastern Europe as yet. and Posts to this has currently been primarily about the Janet Arnold Conference and travel relating to Florence, Italy. See the Yahoo webpages to find out more. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:21 -0700 >From: Cin > >Oh, there's more? Undoubtedly there are. I'm looking for one that's >more prone to scholarly info rather than sewing & construction >questions and where to buy questions. This list is great for that >info. My personal preferences are for Renaissance, Napoleonic, >Regency, Victorian high fashions, advanced tailoring, but I'm willing >to skip over the parts I'm not interest in. Several lists may end up >serving my various areas of interest & that's fine, too. Happy to >take all suggestions. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:16:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJGcVm018635 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:16:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJFAKQ031486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJES8x093243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJESxJ003034; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp0.av-mx.com (smtp0.av-mx.com [137.118.16.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJENR1002909 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from Gilbert (unknown [67.158.170.59]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D221BFB68 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:13:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c79313e-d42e-4d11-acad-f1cc838835fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 490B593E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I am taking the girls to the Mall for a costume contest, and I am wearing my Empire gown with stays et al. My girls will be an angel and a fairy--very apropos. As I am a homeschooling, stay-at-home mom, that very much falls under the heading of work (as well as fun, of course)... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:24:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJOJLK019212 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:24:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJOEfv022827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJNkJo094102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJNkjw014155; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9VJNguV013868 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50762 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2008 19:23:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IPWbzZ6hQcMA4Yo22oZaH6oobgW4sSVfgmQ77KC58voQcJW25cGgUA2zCM1fBXTLQrQYQuamNIoRIkFPwfJ1gE5EDXpV2VjF/yoYWxmvWky1DTQtJW+1Qp5uI8X7hb5/AhW+sxZ8VxXIwTqRffNO95/qLanjF8bsR8s+u+l8Qtc=; X-YMail-OSG: lp_plXIVM1kz5cAqzQq.pHmVyNvXwfjjKDazK7_hlgB6TFX2K65FdwCyZ6kY7Lj882.NYgDTHseXlsxtFkq2DI0Q5TuRsHR4F__UHM3S.vSHjfAj9CTXX9S42znzmIFvVvU_jeetA51OGxbNzjPSqKsfd3o.QpYTtJTp4pxL Received: from [209.19.36.161] by web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:23:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carletta da Nicolosi To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <599887.50657.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] J. 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Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Gilbert wrote: > From: Gilbert > Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:13 PM > > So who dressed up for work today and what are you > wearing? > > > I am taking the girls to the Mall for a costume contest, > and I am wearing my > Empire gown with stays et al. My girls will be an angel and > a fairy--very > apropos. As I am a homeschooling, stay-at-home mom, that > very much falls > under the heading of work (as well as fun, of course)... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian > England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:40:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJeWWm019938 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJeQQr031336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJZ9xI095293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJZ9t4028693; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian2.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJZ5rt028553 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade2@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (kf-ijss-cb01-1455.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.177]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA97427DEE for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:35:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <490B5DF5.3060202@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:35:17 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94a42e91-02bc-4716-a3a0-ce87942e1aba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490B5F2A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The only one in costume is my little bunny backpack in her little witch dress with broomstick and pumpkin. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:45:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJjYeN020198 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:45:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJjTHH031855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:45:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJjDCx096391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJjDeu038677; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (rocky.itasca.net [12.157.198.4] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJj8i5038598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Kvzwh-0002X0-Gp for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:46:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:46:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5f2e0ea-10d3-4807-820c-0d69ea158cd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490B6059.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jen On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? > > I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a rather > Gothy/Victorian dolly. > > My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was expecting > - win! :0) > > Sheridan P > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 15:45:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VJjqne020214 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:45:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJjk6h005362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VJjSnc096450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJjSRJ038943; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VJjO9g038864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VJjNLF028624 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:23 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20081031144523.z5a2ur2mpcs0cs4g@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:23 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <490b21bb.20018e0a.6ce9.091b@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031152108.03c0ab80@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081031152108.03c0ab80@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book is confirmed!!! 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My trip ends in London with friends, so I'm having it sent there. = Woot! Free shipping within the UK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 17:15:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VLFsLn024400 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:15:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VLFmrQ004603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:15:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VLFQrT002958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VLFP1g014564; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9VLFL6Z014397 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72643 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2008 21:15:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6rvOFwlOaAcr5Yb8DvjcL/iGugvSXENfCIveFjt86nL1741lVtCk4P6dp5clh9a8TcoVkavgVzVLSMaO0OSmwCKSSICY0sCUlFwxlB15n/iXUVZVEopOifzCh83Ei89M7KJXPsZHMaroSNe3u5Z5xSaA1VC6ANvRWpNW9G/SM9U=; X-YMail-OSG: Pk1zxQ0VM1lbmW5tk02_2WBk_5DN9LuDTtr9dKE9CpRcG3wdF2PpgprUHIo.F9bEwX3y331MNJSp4iHzP.Mg.uyPRquyKH12knbZ.kdEnZD_9CTUQwNZS0aSunicEt.iPh33fak06eLRfBdeqVsHOkkUp8EquuHnLa0Brlc- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:15:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5107.70794.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4319b1d-ca2e-467d-8ea3-8f2832791f30 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490B7584.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Claudine (with apologies for the brief, non-partisan political statement) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 17:31:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VLVWaw025211 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VLVR0c007495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VLVBxI004337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VLVBs5034304; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9VLV7DK034185 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60952 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2008 21:31:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=21B4qeSmExw9eX67cdcNxnK5Jc3CWZ4RdOhPGoHuSo0Sid3j9Ox4q0pLZu3QCjcYO6J9/2uHWXPnkB3s7wdk/HZ+wgeLl6kReow4qqXfesPaeOa9J2A9upvMlxGXJqa38hw9W/JyuqW9MdHWb9VflN8kk0qYXVxKYfR/70deroI=; X-YMail-OSG: xCx9Q38VM1n7Pz9vQNtWT4EQFRf3Bz2wvBLJf.0iEVUTAgs2Doqgq9vehY_kqI4mPsaQ_PisxZfRoIIugVV8DmtXaDMLATPZFIfL4r3UerRD_lykuLNuf83ynY5GiRIf3maCSuuFBVJ8J68mLd2EMvmcMPQAWMuBDZauboI- Received: from [97.113.2.97] by web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:31:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <30502.60900.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea173d88-f026-472e-9b91-cc7ee8a92623 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490B792F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I too grabbed random stuff from the closet-mixing and matching odd bits, wi= g, headdress and some costume prop bits for=A0a nifty Satana. Photo has=A0already been promised,=A0due to threatening promises=A0made loc= ally.=A0 :P=A0 = But judging by the stunned acclamations around the=A0work block, a keeper c= ombination. (Two clerks came running out for kudos and=A0questions no less) =A0JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir = = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 18:46:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VMkhkh029194 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:46:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VMkbvX003018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VMkBWA010110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VMk9Gv000692; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VMk5Xj000608 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kstormy@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU130-W25 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.210.115.137] From: Kathy Stormberg To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:00 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2008 22:46:00.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[72266DD0:01C93BAA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90899918-2dcc-4f1a-ba0e-1dc2ad8ffb44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490B8ACD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My house is decorated as a spider-filled graveyard so I am dressed as spide= r graveyard queen. I have a bony crown and an all black outfit which inclu= des short puff sleeve (cartridge pleated) jacket over black canvas Victoria= n corset over skirt which is below knee a-line in front and floor length kn= ife pleated in back and draped in black gauze swag. Plus spider accessorie= s. Subtract the spider accessories and change the shoes and it looks kinda= steampunk. I didn't have to go to work today so I'll be wearing it at hom= e to scare kids and have people over for drinks and scary movies. Kathy > = > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? > = > I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a rathe= r = > Gothy/Victorian dolly. > = > My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was expect= ing = > - win! :0) > = > Sheridan P > = > = > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go=97take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 18:59:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VMxBA1029857 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:59:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VMx6b8007752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VMwkqU011001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VMwk9Y009586; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VMwgbG009495 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=MIxXqi9ZVGeYB3s5VhgM4gkQz54n3WV5i7qDjsR1uUfZYkLgkJV6pFr7R77nnmn8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.35] (helo=elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kw2wv-00058m-Nl for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <27465841.1225493917545.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:58:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9e25045e2dbcdedcb01b6522a79bbc1a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book is confirmed!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 567b1b68-e11d-49a7-bc64-419ab24f5143 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490B8DBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:59:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was mildly amused when I got my e-mail notice a day or two ago. Usually I buy things from Amazon USA (since that's where I live) and the notice says "Your Amazon order has shipped." This notice (from Amazon UK) instead said that it had been "dispatched"!! Wonder if that means it will arrive faster? ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 19:32:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VNWKbY031852 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:32:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VNWFd3032666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VNW0bU013288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VNW0o2031823; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VNVqka031738 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so1362974ugf.32 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=AXBc33FKQuF3npDxrvOwf7CeZetZWyOZPB3cuzLYduk=; b=X3aBsMoU+w6uBqNrz7turpQAP5jvmhfeJKf0c50pcY/U+xwqr8/8wTK06SbRRadZyr pi645qMuznbKhXMzExVJUqQOsvinmYDTqf19mzlHV2nfENOpRqM3/xO7ikIojzuODzd8 UNQwVvWWGFVDKTNveBcOhk42ewMsjFKAIo1qM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dNEF2rJSdIi240YGgLa/rb1ubzNloF7vFtDqC1hgEiculEn4zkkT9i5octEPlPnRyU ql1oitDS8ADPkpI3ntfxk1GFrKx3wOzxA2RQFZisF9AjVbohQSQCexI/p8M2K5fAry4y 2Li9+aKa3pTPz7ibH//8MLr0cyDKHu4G7Yhac= Received: by 10.210.29.11 with SMTP id c11mr5257983ebc.30.1225495912248; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.105.4 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:31:52 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04d7a38d-6d19-4911-a65c-03efa24eddf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490B957F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:32:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm another denizen of the spider filled graveyard with the spider queen (see below)... I'll be in a long white wig or the white Jeffersonian wig, bowler hat & veilings, ragged hunter green tailcoat with shredded lapels vintage 1900s, repro highwaisted 19th gents slate blue-grey pants, repro silk vest in dark blue silk, vintage 19th c gents shirt w starched bosom & cravat. I love being able to just toss on whatever's in the closet! Even better is raiding the spouse's closet! Hope you get lots of candy! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Re: [h-cost] All Hallows My house is decorated as a spider-filled graveyard so I am dressed as spider graveyard queen. I have a bony crown and an all black outfit which includes short puff sleeve (cartridge pleated) jacket over black canvas Victorian corset over skirt which is below knee a-line in front and floor length knife pleated in back and draped in black gauze swag. Plus spider accessories. Subtract the spider accessories and change the shoes and it looks kinda steampunk. I didn't have to go to work today so I'll be wearing it at home to scare kids and have people over for drinks and scary movies. Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 19:37:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m9VNb6BN032023 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VNb1SQ001447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9VNVkx5013269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VNVjbU031646; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VNVgGm031603 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9M00A9EMHIP2Q0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:27:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (HELO eastlink.ca) ([24.222.0.30]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:43:09 -0300 Received: from [10.10.10.61] (Forwarded-For: [142.177.154.32]) by ms1.eastlink.ca (mshttpd); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:27:18 -0300 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:27:18 -0300 From: sjpaterson@eastlink.ca In-reply-to: <20081031144523.z5a2ur2mpcs0cs4g@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkDAKswC0kY3gAe/2dsb2JhbACBdpELPLoyg1E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,525,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="358343355" References: <490b21bb.20018e0a.6ce9.091b@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031152108.03c0ab80@suziclarke.co.uk> <20081031144523.z5a2ur2mpcs0cs4g@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book is confirmed!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 261bbf7f-e938-419a-aab2-d03a3ac39318 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490B969D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is unfortunate, Jane, we will be in London, too but in March 2009; a visit with family, including my failing god father (also second cousin) beats out a Janet Arnold Conference. Look out V& A etc... Bess ----- Original Message ----- > My trip ends in London with friends, so I'm having it sent there. > Woot! Free shipping within the UK! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 20:28:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA10SZdn001907 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:28:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA10RAwa002033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:27:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA10QNnS016387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA10QKLp063062; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA10QIAC062998 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web11-z01 ([10.127.132.102]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081101002613.WHBK23883.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web11-z01> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:26:13 +0000 Message-ID: <31918198.231151225499173359.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z01> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:26:13 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 70.112.202.40 by webmail.neo.rr.com; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 0:26:13 +0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book is confirmed!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 664c36a7-1e31-4929-9225-332ab1ea1d94 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 490BA25E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mine shipped Tuesday and the extra one that I ordered for a surprise gift was shipped today. Hopefully it will make it to Texas while I'm still visiting her. :-) Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 21:01:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA111O19003354 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:01:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA111G8o023594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:01:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA110l60018137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:00:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA110knZ081547; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA110hxT081512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (75-162-23-169.desm.qwest.net [75.162.23.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA110g3v007242 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:00:42 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <78C9D7B3-BE31-4985-8F96-B2C52B15BC47@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:00:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8551/Fri Oct 31 17:21:16 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 392 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd652597-930b-48c9-acc1-5955f18e5faa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490BAA5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:01:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, I like this one! Most of my co-workers don't dress up. They were sort of befuddled 2 years ago when I showed up with orange pumpkin bobbles on a headband.... This year I wore "happy face" socks and a "happy face" t-shirt with my jeans [the only time of year I wear jeans to work] and had my hair tied back with a "happy face" bandanna -- since I'm known as an old grump, I figured it would be a good disguise. :-) Suzanne On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:58 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" > Date: October 31, 2008 2:46:11 PM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > > I sort-of dressed up. I am intermittently wearing white bunny ears > (intermittently because they're a little tight) and if anybody asks > I am Harvey. > > Jen > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > >> So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 21:36:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA11af7u005027 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:36:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA11aawl026863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA11aE5k020105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11aDhQ000596; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11a9pC000510 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K9M00DK3SG4D101@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.203] (Forwarded-For: 4.248.91.40, [10.240.3.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:36:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:36:04 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007) Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32fc2dfc-4951-4411-ad97-9c6b9b7dd48a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490BB2A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Last year I went as a 'kinda 12th C English lady - 'Irish' dress with an angel wing 1970's dress as the chemise, and a matching silk skirt. (everyone asked if I was a princes or a queen) This year I was dressed as an Eastern Mountain Man - black powder era - complete with wool frock coat, leather pants, sleeveless leather shirt, tan under shirt, inkle woven belt, boots and a black felt hat. (everyone asked if I was an Indian) I'm thinking of next year I'll wear my 1960's outfit so everyone can tell what I am Ha Rumph! Katheryne --------- Original Message ----------- At 10/31/08 01:59 PM, you wrote: So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was expecting - win! :0) Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 21:37:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA11boOS005073 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:37:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA11biWB031658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA11bOZT020167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11bNon001297; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11bKsE001215 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101013715.PUPS4923.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:37:15 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101013714.MEBW7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:37:14 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:37:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081101013714.MEBW7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FYE2jiNriQ4A:10 a=wnPE9O6_9O0A:10 a=g6k+CAAX554YIwCZN7lsBw==:17 a=hPbyt0JkLi-w1W0Jvj8A:9 a=Nq4zCHiYtFQLR-HgZB4A:7 a=hxIFi2NcSpKtBo4Q-TOK94OLMS8A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 096ce0ab-44e7-4c63-8613-8abeba52b772 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490BB2E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:37:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you very much for the info. Beth At 05:58 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:14:04 -0400 >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > >Well, I can't tell you much about many of those, but I do have a few comments: > > > Greimas, Algirdas Julien. Ancien fran?ais: [la langue du Moyen > Age de 1080 ? > > 1350]. Grand dictionnaire Larousse. > >This is really an Old French dictionary. Meaning that, if you're >reading an old text and want to know what a word means, it might help >you. But it won't help you to find the way something was called in the >past, if you already know the modern word. > > > Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. [Saint-Leger-Vauban]: > >I don't know what the book is worth, but she's a very good writer, a >specialist of the Middle Ages and also very prolific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 21:41:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA11fgJt005231 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:41:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA11fbBg028511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA11fQNs020333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11fQKL003554; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA11fOoa003481 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101014118.PXLN4923.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:41:18 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101014118.NIOO10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:41:18 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:41:12 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081101014118.NIOO10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FYE2jiNriQ4A:10 a=wnPE9O6_9O0A:10 a=g6k+CAAX554YIwCZN7lsBw==:17 a=iWJqM6M3nZHb6NWtiLAA:9 a=QqeHQsq4G1eoC4eqz_4A:7 a=XCsa64oCMmwsvLUeWl1XPMsKrxcA:4 a=7Wnilqlf9zYA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04165d2e-d4ae-4ffd-9208-e0fd74b63543 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490BB3D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Robin, Thanks, I'll look for the German edition. (I do a bit better with German) Beth At 05:58 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:46:15 -0500 >From: Robin Netherton > >Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > >> Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. [Saint-Leger-Vauban]: > > > > I don't know what the book is worth, but she's a very good writer, a > > specialist of the Middle Ages and also very prolific. > >(Catching up late) > >I found this first in German, on a clearance rack somewhere in Europe, and >bought it for the pictures. Then I found it in French, on a clearance rack in >Paris, some years later, and bought it for the pictures as well as >the text. I >had not realized it was the same book, but I'm glad to have the French. (I >don't read German!) I've already sold the German copy to a German-speaker. >Lots of good images of artwork you don't find very often. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 31 23:50:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA13oeJt010986 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:50:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA13oZG3004694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA13lFX2027075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA13lC8d080362; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+5LivHaJRwJ7nVN8i1umSVXELs7nzM9co@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA13l9Q0080315 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA13l8fU008207 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:47:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 14416 invoked by uid 80); 1 Nov 2008 03:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.5.179.53) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 03:47:08 -0000 Message-ID: <490BD0C1.8020604@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:45:05 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20081101014118.NIOO10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20081101014118.NIOO10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Medieval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdaad99b-1b26-4445-bb79-c21d0a80ecf5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490BD20B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:50:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Thanks Robin, > > Thanks, I'll look for the German edition. (I do a bit better with German) Before you go, you might try pricing this and other items on your wishlist on abe or alibris. Anything you can get cheaper used (and shipped) will save you luggage space. (This from a woman who went to England with one full bag packed inside a slightly larger empty one, and came back with two full ones.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 00:50:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA14oCLa013067 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:50:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA14o7Oo019020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:50:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA14nhF0030174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA14nf93012932; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA14ncYI012821 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=nIsUD8eqhDnCHYsIhr/NFHbu3CROcjA+hr0dC9PV3iUA68KJe9A4yJVsbR27E5zG; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=Pierre-PC.radiks.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kw8QW-0003D3-RB for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:49:33 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:23:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e532dc5ff7f8a5ee123b88d6af8f9f7ff01bb045beab7bdb036350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01f5f09f-fec0-459c-8f80-075d53f19e67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490BDFFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:50:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wore hubby's "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" Great Pumpkin. This was our entry at Archon this year (St. Louis science fiction convention). I only kept it on long enough for the contest, though, as I was sweating buckets in it. I think they decided to turn the heat up in the building last night (and the temp hit 75 F today in Nebraska - go figure!) Everyone seemed to like it, but I didn't win the contest. Oh, well. :-( When a pic is available from the convention, or I can get another one posted somewhere, I'll let you know. Sandy At 01:59 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? > >I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a >rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. > >My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was >expecting - win! :0) > >Sheridan P "Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume