From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 05:11:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA19BwJx008564 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:11:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA19BqbK000540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA19BO6o041889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA19BLd8056169; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA19BIZ1056135 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACDD3CD30290; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:09:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack7i4e0nzqgQ7MwT1usNpGaH800pgAdf4Vw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0f6f0e9-7405-4dec-ac47-03b509c67ca8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490C1D58.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:11:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My son's school had a Halloween carnival. I told the kids I was a 10 yr old dressed as a mom. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:59 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] All Hallows So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was expecting - win! :0) Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 06:42:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA1AgGOK013075 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:42:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA1AgATc008428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA1AduQv045849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1AdsJS003599; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:39:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (smtprelay-virgin0148.hostedemail.com [64.99.136.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1Adowa003559 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from viv.watkins@virgin.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A6587431C0D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:39:49 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 642a703a8d5c6b8b, c1fcef0d99de72da, viv.watkins@virgin.net, h-costume@mail.indra.com, RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:962:967:972:973:983:988:989:1155:1156:1189:1208:1221:1260:1308:1309:1313:1314:1345:1394:1431:1436:1437:1515:1516:1517:1521:1534:1542:1575:1587:1588:1589:1592:1594:1685:1711:1730:1776:1792:2073:2075:2078:2378:2525:2559:2563:2610:2682:2685:2857:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3280:3352:3585:3586:3635:3740:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4248:4250:4321:4622:4647:4648:5007:6114:6117:6119:6238:6261:7679:7809:7875:7903:8501:8518:8603:8957:9008:9025:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from shuttlesn41g (client-82-25-185-86.brnt.adsl.virgin.net [82.25.185.86]) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <021e01c93c0e$32792a60$56b91952@shuttlesn41g> From: "Viv Watkins" To: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:40:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] French titles - Mediaeval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7aa076e-c5bc-4002-afc7-aef140d96ebc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490C3282.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:42:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You might be interested in this book - although it covers a much wider peri= od it has a good mediaeval section. = I bought myself a copy of "Rayures. une histoire et des tissus rayes" becau= se the illustrations were excellent and struggled through enough of the Fre= nch to get the basic idea. I was then thrilled to find that a translation = had been done "The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and Striped Fabric" = - much smaller book, far fewer illustrations and in black and white - I thi= nk the complete text but my French is really not good enough to say for sur= e. The French title is - Rayures: Une histoire des rayures et des tissus rayes= by Michel Pastoureau ISBN 2020236664. Publisher Seuil (1995). It is out o= f print but Amazon has one copy available in the USA at =A315.26. The translation is - The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and Striped Fa= bric (European Perspectives: A Series in Social Thought and Cultural Critic= ism) ISBN 0231123663 . Columbia University Press (2001). Amazon has plenty= of copies starting from =A37.99. Viv. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 15:41:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA1JfJKA000423 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:41:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA1JfD4H031741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:41:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA1JefXA092710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1JebFf048816; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1JeXSa048724 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101194027.DFZQ4904.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:40:27 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.3]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081101194027.BPHP28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:40:27 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:40:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081101194027.BPHP28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JXTdlsIp0KwA:10 a=_7vDlbcV_VQA:10 a=g6k+CAAX554YIwCZN7lsBw==:17 a=9FhO_fiRyaBmbEllVOYA:9 a=B0TbFZq_wOBrcEG1gu8A:7 a=eG5_OJAFMXCdSUoLPWVAmcrrAAoA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] French titles - Mediaeval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f7851b3-97cd-404d-89e5-5e0481737cf5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490CB0D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks. I have the English translation, but I was a bit unhappy with it. Beth At 01:00 PM 11/1/2008, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:40:01 -0000 >From: "Viv Watkins" > >You might be interested in this book - although it covers a much >wider period it has a good mediaeval section. >I bought myself a copy of "Rayures. une histoire et des tissus >rayes" because the illustrations were excellent and struggled >through enough of the French to get the basic idea. I was then >thrilled to find that a translation had been done "The Devil's >Cloth: A History of Stripes and Striped Fabric" - much smaller book, >far fewer illustrations and in black and white - I think the >complete text but my French is really not good enough to say for sure. >The French title is - Rayures: Une histoire des rayures et des >tissus rayes by Michel Pastoureau ISBN 2020236664. Publisher Seuil >(1995). It is out of print but Amazon has one copy available in the >USA at ?15.26. >The translation is - The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and >Striped Fabric (European Perspectives: A Series in Social Thought >and Cultural Criticism) ISBN 0231123663 . Columbia University Press >(2001). Amazon has plenty of copies starting from ?7.99. > >Viv. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 15:46:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA1JkxoX000602 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA1JkrxD028730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA1JkRqH092988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1JkRcD052671; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1JkPu1052635 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so701686qwi.23 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=GvD5d+7wcN9Gc3dSVAUbjLE+7Pdm1JR5v0aOrFkZFcY=; b=gskEK3iHlu49ks6OGB0p+PtENiu/lYvN1s/z7VGBwEbEkNxR5bwJVP3xdzb8dX/fWE M3wiiW2aTZzwqIF+SoZbv0Yxhxi4u9Gizc8Mn1/45VoTVVZXu9xhYmNAfmW8Hy9gzKj0 O2ttDaehP9c8oG4lL4kkOFxcGzmwjhoy2ag/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=uRiwv+4wJVOw8LFePbskLpkQIhWbx7tkeUdYwneGlZbR3YLjRWuFKbPBFXm4QvARBY 93qYu5yTEaX4vANYfxgCamI7g6QY20PW1E+wqgftYICh3JwhgGZRrLxkwdZxe7QuqPcL BiOXnudmTyV3gU8yr+2jqx6phXmGL5fn5iFyY= Received: by 10.215.39.17 with SMTP id r17mr2408724qaj.249.1225568785502; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey (modemcable172.32-81-70.mc.videotron.ca [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4433246ywg.6.2008.11.01.12.46.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2F1495A124184CF89962819F04F205D9@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:46:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3f73421-056d-4a5d-acac-e433eb3c8240 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490CB22D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I went to work as a Goth! I used an old Gunne Saxe dress I don't remember how I got, it's been waiting in the costume closet for a good 10 years, I bought a decent-quality wig, lots of makeup... I was expecting comments such as "That's different", or "it really changes you"... what I got were "Wow, you're beautiful!". Maybe I should become a Goth for real ;-) Last Saturday we had a party, where we had to dress as movie characters. We dressed as Shaun of the Dead. My bf was Shaun, and I was a zombie. Great fun there too! It's weird how it scares people when you were weird colour contact lenses. You can see both here http://www.picasaweb.com/audreybmorin/Halloween2008/ (the last picture is of friends of ours, unrelated to my own costumes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 16:32:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA1KWEMF001892 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA1KW8xI013772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA1KVj4V095581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA1KVjuN093524; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA1KVeZ6093414 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 88611 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2008 20:31:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WKT7cv0nHvBYvBhgrKKnMVIb4mnBDtbZHI7HKx9miI2V/tGcsq6DasPy72FmuUDO83ybhpZSNrLXWMzVyIgd+VDRDer4tWIK/dBeIlJvyKufxM24vf3ulMU56za1hC8di77qwlBjYjnMiPuZS0tgK8qeZ1gXh9RbFrVlcSI69mw=; X-YMail-OSG: bOxL5ZsVM1n8wpJ.zlse0KrRdi9loP2q8MZx1h0PVRK5hvZJajMiZuUHDbtHCTOOf06y3H_9sQr5yDF2QVwJf_mbjO0OvYA53bY0KhtsYFkvjZMA6.iZoon8w_yrphb_ml0ggtsMAfdeRWnU6D_oT9v6AEfGlZPJgMslbRxarQpKynLZRMeB3WdDHFc- Received: from [87.244.72.104] by web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:31:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:31:34 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <2F1495A124184CF89962819F04F205D9@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <462129.88261.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5831cf0-11f7-49af-b400-3556d594a0e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490CBCC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- On Sat, 1/11/08, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows - OT To: "Historical Costume" Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 7:46 PM > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? I went to work as a Goth! I used an old Gunne Saxe dress I don't remember how I got, it's been waiting in the costume closet for a good 10 years, I bought a decent-quality wig, lots of makeup... I was expecting comments such as "That's different", or "it really changes you"... what I got were "Wow, you're beautiful!". Maybe I should become a Goth for real ;-) Last Saturday we had a party, where we had to dress as movie characters. We dressed as Shaun of the Dead. My bf was Shaun, and I was a zombie. Great fun there too! It's weird how it scares people when you were weird colour contact lenses. You can see both here http://www.picasaweb.com/audreybmorin/Halloween2008/ (the last picture is of friends of ours, unrelated to my own costumes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 22:11:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA22BAjW016270 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:11:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA22B4Qn003514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:11:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA22AgAm011724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22Aaeu081237; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22AWHh081162 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ohpMo1gkA+lLc96XY1xAPuWUDOLGcHF6w5sdMbyEDAWOuiwe9ric7jPmtxDrxpAw; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.123.110.218] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KwSQ7-0002kO-Ez for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:10:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <021e01c93c0e$32792a60$56b91952@shuttlesn41g> References: <021e01c93c0e$32792a60$56b91952@shuttlesn41g> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <3CE9DA03-8BA1-44D1-AD9D-D4DDFDF7AAC5@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:04:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c02e2f259b2468c00b3260f5d94b673b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.123.110.218 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Mediaeval costume and textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9e7f6bc-f8cf-4ed0-84ea-8742b6b78703 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490D0C38.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:11:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 1, 2008, at 3:40 AM, Viv Watkins wrote: > You might be interested in this book - although it covers a much = > wider period it has a good mediaeval section. > I bought myself a copy of "Rayures. une histoire et des tissus = > rayes" because the illustrations were excellent and struggled = > through enough of the French to get the basic idea. I was then = > thrilled to find that a translation had been done "The Devil's = > Cloth: A History of Stripes and Striped Fabric" - much smaller = > book, far fewer illustrations and in black and white - I think the = > complete text but my French is really not good enough to say for sure. > The French title is - Rayures: Une histoire des rayures et des = > tissus rayes by Michel Pastoureau ISBN 2020236664. Publisher Seuil = > (1995). It is out of print but Amazon has one copy available in the = > USA at =A315.26. > The translation is - The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and = > Striped Fabric (European Perspectives: A Series in Social Thought = > and Cultural Criticism) ISBN 0231123663 . Columbia University Press = > (2001). Amazon has plenty of copies starting from =A37.99. Michel Pastoureau is a very entertaining writer, but tends to be a = bit.... how shall I say this.... flamboyant? about some of what he = says. I have a couple of his books, including _Blue: The History of a = Color_ and right at the very beginning it contains some passages that = appear to demonstrate that he either is not aware of, or is = deliberately ignoring, some of the significant research on the = cognitive history of color concepts (or so says the scholar who gave = it to me). ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 22:34:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA22YEi2017269 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:34:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA22Y8FC015151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:34:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA22XmXt012700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22Xm9Q091815; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22Xj1k091801 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Dw48XoCWkri1ZgjhI1i4ekvhFGvcGa5jkfMlu5cWA1YaQyjrVp5vjGuceJd4dYCG; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from c-98-244-30-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([98.244.30.142] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KwSmf-0006lc-7b for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <490D1ED9.4000704@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:30:33 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081101-0, 11/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0eafd45f126befae256078b71a91f17aa3981b6a9c5d82d1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.244.30.142 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 774d9b1a-6c54-4881-be8c-9c87bdd34743 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490D11A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't work, except at home. But I went out to a party that night. I was very happy with my Halloween costume. Had most of the pieces but for the robe, which is a table cloth from a Thrift shop. Sorry it's a big photo, but the design is in the details. I went a Samhin, Celtic God of Death, and yes, I know there was no such God in real life, but it was FUN! http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Halloween200801.jpg I also have to brag my wife made me a Fair Isle hat in black, gray and orange for my Birthday. It's just great! Here are some photos, she came up with the design herself. I am so proud it her and it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2966418266/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2965570701/ Stephen Bergdahl Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? > > I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a > rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. > > My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was > expecting - win! :0) > > Sheridan P > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 22:41:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA22f1td017551 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA22euSu017606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:41:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA22eb4t013022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22ebmN094801; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22eYkQ094743 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=uGJKRxGJAhFs3H84JmutSD2rSg16enjFz9YNHF4X8yVuTgvvddDFANUHN83u4Vp1; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from c-98-244-30-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([98.244.30.142] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KwStA-00010O-RM for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: <490D206D.2000306@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:37:17 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <490D1ED9.4000704@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <490D1ED9.4000704@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081101-0, 11/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0eafd45f126befae26b537d99c1d9f442df48101534d00be4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.244.30.142 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5a63b5d-0556-4eba-95cc-f9cdfb34d894 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490D1338.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Re-did the photo so it's not so huge. http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Halloween200801.jpg Stephen Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Don't work, except at home. But I went out to a party that night. I > was very happy with my Halloween costume. Had most of the pieces but > for the robe, which is a table cloth from a Thrift shop. Sorry it's a > big photo, but the design is in the details. I went a Samhin, Celtic > God of Death, and yes, I know there was no such God in real life, but > it was FUN! > > http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Halloween200801.jpg > > I also have to brag my wife made me a Fair Isle hat in black, gray and > orange for my Birthday. It's just great! Here are some photos, she > came up with the design herself. I am so proud it her and it. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2966418266/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2965570701/ > > Stephen Bergdahl > > Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: >> So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? >> >> I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a >> rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. >> >> My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was >> expecting - win! :0) >> >> Sheridan P >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 1 22:46:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA22kG6q017898 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:46:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA22kAl2016563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA22juJ5013206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22juoC097086; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA22jqkr097022 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RozSRYGEuMmUluHb0ioEvY0UOjqXYXfAb1xlZ7DDpB16uaUeMxYCMTDq3AT4U3/d; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from c-98-244-30-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([98.244.30.142] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KwSyJ-0000W4-B9 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <490D21AC.7070104@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:42:36 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <490D1ED9.4000704@earthlink.net> <490D206D.2000306@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <490D206D.2000306@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081101-0, 11/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0eafd45f126befae2240af811f553193d1cfa95c5704937e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.244.30.142 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] All Hallows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f0798c6-ce10-4b93-8150-ac9d6fd21ad9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490D1472.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ONE MORE TIME. I hate computers sometimes http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Hallween%202008.html Stephen Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Re-did the photo so it's not so huge. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Halloween200801.jpg > > Stephen > > Stephen Bergdahl wrote: >> Don't work, except at home. But I went out to a party that night. I >> was very happy with my Halloween costume. Had most of the pieces but >> for the robe, which is a table cloth from a Thrift shop. Sorry it's >> a big photo, but the design is in the details. I went a Samhin, >> Celtic God of Death, and yes, I know there was no such God in real >> life, but it was FUN! >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~madlystitching/TheVault/Halloween200801.jpg >> >> I also have to brag my wife made me a Fair Isle hat in black, gray >> and orange for my Birthday. It's just great! Here are some photos, >> she came up with the design herself. I am so proud it her and it. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2966418266/ >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaelicdragonfly/2965570701/ >> >> Stephen Bergdahl >> >> Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: >>> So who dressed up for work today and what are you wearing? >>> >>> I grabbed random stuff out of my closet and ended up looking like a >>> rather Gothy/Victorian dolly. >>> >>> My newly sewn corset seems to be a lot more comfortable than I was >>> expecting - win! :0) >>> >>> Sheridan P >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 11:53:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA2GrGrd026422 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:53:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA2GrAAl019447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:53:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA2GqarN050638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2GqXDC075641; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2GqWh7075610 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so656297eyi.23 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=PLGBzp0k4m5QGaFZS6rtHG2Ie2ngQveu/LXvfwx3aOY=; b=aUKCRXQKExXsG1LtmsZ0V5pz0ub0/dCHc16cRAZKN3/UQmiS+LjSnmY9altRCzLPw8 1Hfzy92wOrWJY8yBwmFBFahssfyukrIkjnV+0RceNjiUQfkjshUwA2zwvyyMo7HKZZp9 avW/3v/MUtB7WhFuKHCfW340t2k/Wdls7wpbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eq0c0oLX97UjX7UGhCGF6aW1aXXZuykVOHd5Ol/yYrbhizuL3e9ERJjP4o132+w/qC Q5f1T9B2JVE5ct1dyYjrbGYvw/8bDBr0LRVSDuk06Qnkis5siJ5w6hqQH8xKz5fnRD7y trC+xFmUDEZjCrDfXAf0fpp6zOIMOR4D+0Xdw= Received: by 10.210.36.8 with SMTP id j8mr16427175ebj.155.1225644751283; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.105.4 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] scholarly historical costume list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62644543-9542-465d-a650-f8304bf75929 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490DDAF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:53:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Beth & Robin, I guess those lists are what I was remembering. I'll give it a try. Thanks so much for responding. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com I started these almost a year ago, but the majority of the posts have been mine, so it has been mostly posts of new book notices, journal articles of interest, conferences, etc. Quite a few have joined these lists, but traffic has been slow lately. Members are from the USA, UK, various Scandinavian countries and Germany, but unfortunately none from France, Italy or eastern Europe as yet. and Posts to this has currently been primarily about the Janet Arnold Conference and travel relating to Florence, Italy. See the Yahoo webpages to find out more. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 12:43:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA2Hhwwu028834 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:43:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA2Hhrvv015284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA2HhbmB053371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2Hhats011411; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [67.18.66.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA2HhW9D011364 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 28120 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 18:02:22 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 18:02:22 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55019) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwgz3-0004mx-Oi; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:43:29 -0600 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20081102124329.ln7mq9v0tckkoso4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:43:29 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume Technicians Handbook -- 2nd vs 3rd ed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="Yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c323eab-4c82-45ad-b48a-82ab3d97738a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490DE6D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:43:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What's the difference(s) between the 2nd and the 3rd editions of the Costume Technicians Handbook? I know that there are *significant* differences between the 1st and the 2nd editions .... Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 14:59:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA2JxmRK004609 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:59:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA2JxgsH027026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:59:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA2JxFKq061388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2JxCJq092999; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.214]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2JxABX092914 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.4.13.95]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:59:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:59:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.253.100.66 by bl124fd.blu124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:59:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.253.100.66] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:59:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 19:59:05.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[757A8DA0:01C93D25] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] MEDIEVAL ARCHEOLOGY X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b483fdaa-8110-4f75-b05d-fcc6b0198e69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 490E06AE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In celebration of the Society for Medieval Archeology's 50th aniversary, the first 50 volumes of the journal "Medieval Archeology" have been placed online for free viewing at http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/library/med_arch/ There is as list of them by years and I just clicked on 1984 at random to find a 30 page article on late Saxon textile finds in the City of London! Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 15:15:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA2KFoZ8005868 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:15:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA2KFio9028967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA2KFIvZ062662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2KFII4008627; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2KFFJ7008607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.104] (dial-209-148-100-104.sonic.net [209.148.100.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mA2KFDVk002052; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:15:14 -0800 Message-ID: <490E0A62.60909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:15:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New book on 1820s clothing, needlework, the toilet, and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36706680-8ca4-4e89-8c21-8ad3ff1bef42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490E0A70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Topics which may be of particular interest to this list include an entire manual on stay-making and a substantial chapter from a different source, both translated from French for the first time; likewise for mantua-making; unusually early instructions for knitting a variety of garments and accessories in addition to stockings; a large chapter of millinery instructions, including 52 trimmings; 25 embroidery patterns; and substantial information on the toilet, wardrobe planning, clothing care and storage, and laundry. The book specs are: The Lady's Stratagem: A Repository of 1820s Directions for the Toilet, Mantua-Making, Stay-Making, Millinery & Etiquette Edited, translated, and with additional material by Frances Grimble 8 1/2" x 11" quality paperback 755 pages 98 line drawings, 36 halftones Glossary, bibliography, and index ISBN: 978-0-9636517-7-8 LCCN: 2008920010 More information, a color image of the cover, and a PDF of the table of contents are available on our website, http://www.lavoltapress.com. Frances Grimble Lavolta Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 17:01:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA2M11FJ010623 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:01:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA2M0tds013636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:00:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA2Lxxgt069487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2Lxubg085500; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2Lxr3W085466 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1821120fge.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:59:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=23BzvBGmC7hq64SpcqYPywGwS5jTJtfcb5yfUk/Bet8=; b=vIEnGa0SzSzukCm2P7NIzNBe8nw7pGPETcN6QJeaMWeRU2iCVUVrjZjoM1Mddkv9qz N7p/EcN6LRVPW53slugeWsAoQTt2F5CVdtEr5/BFteGf+WAO0IoXQ7Xee6tb2acowXlX lrEtRtBM82Jy6i+1wv31hwhZkrAW7TOL0Y8GU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hGFG1/KMZnI56HNkfTptIearjHt1gk7Urldu0Qoen2oqqCsdX8daef2E+s2ZU2ZY5E PO1f/1FdiWZYShc9FtBVwrhrUg1/AV1Y+C+dyLbFcdfHWlaxqzBRxB/ALAVkSzjRqXS4 iVTyJi5PDX++h2GETGPCGyxTOb4HgZaIJr1Cs= Received: by 10.187.187.20 with SMTP id o20mr1810737fap.63.1225663193388; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.242.14 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:59:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:59:53 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: [h-cost] Need help finding pictures of regency weddings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a83fd97-5c9c-4721-b89c-9e26a410c183 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490E2318.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks, Aylwen aylwengg@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 2 20:44:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA31i2wv019800 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:44:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA31gbxl022869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:43:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA31fuNs083324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA31fqA5011594; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA31fmFu011569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (75-162-23-169.desm.qwest.net [75.162.23.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA31fjqn014722 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <57F98444-8042-427A-94B6-3A785FFCCE70@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:41:43 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8556/Sun Nov 2 16:57:48 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - medieval X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb4f02e4-9a2c-4e1a-8aa2-664254139685 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 490E570D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris, I had the same reaction to The Devil's Cloth, and his book on = heraldry. Entertaining, yes, but not always thoroughly grounded in = the most recent historical research. Pastoreau's works are an okay = place to start a research project as long as you back it up with = other sources. And the pictures are nice. :-) Suzanne On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Chris Laning > Date: November 1, 2008 9:04:26 PM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Mediaeval costume and textiles > ... > > On Nov 1, 2008, at 3:40 AM, Viv Watkins wrote: > >> You might be interested in this book - although it covers a much = >> wider period it has a good mediaeval section. >> The French title is - Rayures: Une histoire des rayures et des = >> tissus rayes by Michel Pastoureau ISBN 2020236664. Publisher = >> Seuil (1995). It is out of print but Amazon has one copy available = >> in the USA at =A315.26. >> The translation is - The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and = >> Striped Fabric (European Perspectives: A Series in Social Thought = >> and Cultural Criticism) ISBN 0231123663 . Columbia University = >> Press (2001). Amazon has plenty of copies starting from =A37.99. > > > Michel Pastoureau is a very entertaining writer, but tends to be a = > bit.... how shall I say this.... flamboyant? about some of what he = > says. I have a couple of his books, including _Blue: The History of = > a Color_ and right at the very beginning it contains some passages = > that appear to demonstrate that he either is not aware of, or is = > deliberately ignoring, some of the significant research on the = > cognitive history of color concepts (or so says the scholar who = > gave it to me). > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 03:58:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA38wXP6008308 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:58:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA38wRki007272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA38r35W000929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA38qx2x017030; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA38qt0m017001 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail2.netspace.net.au (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3E46AC26 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:52:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail2.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B42D60D3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:52:59 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-21.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-21.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.21]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:52:59 +1100 Message-ID: <1225702379.490ebbeb8764f@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:52:59 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] More 1890s film discovered X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0a523e1-9e91-4278-aace-bc61e43051ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490EBD33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For the uninitated, the Melbourne Cup is an important horse race in Australia. In other parts of the world, you get a holiday for elections, national days, important memorial days. In Melbourne, you get the day off for the Melbourne Cup, always run on the first Tuesday in November. For the fashion conscious, the event includes fashion shows, parades and millinery contests. There is also a lot of fancy dress vaguely above the level of men in nighties and women in sparkly hats...you know, the sort of thing worn to distract people from the fact you will be paraletic drunk by race-time. The big event takes place outside the course in the Members' Carpark where the rich people have runners take bets in to the bookies as they drink champagne and chicken from the trunks of their Rolls Royces. Oh, there is also a horse race on the day. The event has been going for about a century and a half. The first ever film shot in Australia was at the 1896 Melbourne Cup, 15 short reels on events of the day that obviously shows fashion worn by racegoers, particularly men. About half of this footage has been lost although a seventh reel has been recently uncovered, showing the wieghing-in process. It is funny how this stuff always seems to be uncovered around Meobourne Cup time but I suppose we all need to target our publicity, even film and sound archivists! Below are a couple of links to newspaper articles on the footage. If you can find your way around the Australian Film & Sound Archives site, you may find some of the footage, -C. http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,,24581615-12428,00.html http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24591077-2702,00.html ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 04:26:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA39QWkk015415 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:26:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA39QP5w018197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA39QBiW002094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA39QB7l032097; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk (mail2.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA39Q7fI032042 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg02.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.224]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id mA39Q0306836.; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:26:01 GMT Received: from MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.240.5; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:17:27 +0000 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.37]) by MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.42]) with mapi; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:25:33 +0000 From: Kate Bunting To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:25:31 +0000 Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 390 Thread-Index: Ack7fSVtwvUlD3CgTDaI/jNM4YMLqACFnV9g Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487EE9495B8A@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 390 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37e026d3-9976-4c6a-b810-0957c0d23b7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490EC3C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Beth Matney wrote: >The following two books have been released and are now shipping from >Amazon-UK. (My copies are on the way...) >The Clothing of the Renaissance World: Europe Asia Africa The >Americas: Cesare Vecellio's Habiti Antichi Et Moderni by Ann Jones, >Margaret F. Rosenthal >Hardcover: 560 pages Thames & Hudson Ltd (27 Oct 2008) ISBN-10: >0500514267 ISBN-13: 978-0500514269 >Patterns of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of >linen shirts, smocks, neckwear, >headwear & accessories for men and women c.1540-1660. Macmillan (7 >Nov 2008) Paperback: >128 pages ISBN-10: 0333570820 ISBN-13: 978-0333570821 >Sometime back, this list discussed this new edition of Vecellio and >it has been much anticipated. I catalogued a copy (of Vecellio) for the library last week. It's beautifully presented. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 08:21:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3DLIRF005155 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:21:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3DLDwM025862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:21:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3DKnI6014426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3DKlrw063769; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA3DKiHq063672 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63518 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2008 13:20:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=lJAH+3dL3wkbZrWHi9Jr5DDKKmAxB6xiiIlP2xuF/JtPGPhiPMR21YcL5VCxmb2g1UlQ4EvAaz9LuM3LGPjADQxJ7T1P9DBbFrOfwiJMU+AyWo21I872MM4PpPmjl2zJUWHH17XYCfJ7ZkdOBDNnaPgzjLB0ny+mBzOQxjz2Sok=; X-YMail-OSG: CFwBjyoVM1kuUmcJqaNpOGAtBDCbrslUo85zy7b9jl_G1M9..Uv7jZWU7kTzNRxa4IfEyXzXr9pBv.fN1ycsGwFM0P2IjZRVbZGQXhHS.4YNPjxa3cr2UNpxmQtmdKQI.n5v Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:20:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:20:38 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <490E0A62.60909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <251284.63446.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book on 1820s clothing, needlework, the toilet, and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10079320-6394-44bc-b953-128bc3fead1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490EFAC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 728 Lines: 20 Ha, I knew you would post it here as well as in other groups (where advertising is forbidden:-). My questions about this book are: - are you planning to sell it through Amazon as well? - regarding the stays making part - are there instructions on how to draft the pattern from the person's measurements? I kind of didn't get this when reading the table of contents. - is pattern drafting discussed for other kinds of garments? - I also didn't understand if fitting a garment is discussed - and if yes, fitting of which garments (stays as well)? Thanks a lot, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 08:22:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3DMVXM005195 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:22:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3DMPMM021405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3DMDJh014523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3DMDfg064788; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA3DMAwS064699 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70021 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2008 13:22:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=oGXh/BWs5RfuP3vp8NCUW4ypLv3Em2em8GjlD3BMFqtMKaJgiVbvd+UTE7C5fZv9YXD7MHg5iqdLrBMDdxZdYafjlUOUiEAfvxtjolci3p5Wq4GFBzQ8OodQy61Me/SwBX7WKZFS4zpHgHw7p1tg4y3NVibW08pNvcAjWcWxWFc=; X-YMail-OSG: LubSJrwVM1k7siSAo_kcNxHcnnTGVT_DeYJu45vM5911wFcT2swMowRN0HoUqJxZQagdgSisi6LyKzpddLBFgMZ5Ou3XXRczyzHPL2rEm87OiKbjl7jaj2vFiqwolepeEorE Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:22:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:22:05 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20081102124329.ln7mq9v0tckkoso4@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <603852.69369.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Technicians Handbook -- 2nd vs 3rd ed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a9e1ee7-97fc-4f86-9c02-e3232ae193b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490EFB11.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:22:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 218 Lines: 10 I read these in some reviews on Amazon, check that out. Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 10:23:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3FNPxW010712 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:23:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3FNISB031976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:23:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3FMqUv023802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3FMpoc088262; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (magilla.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3FMke4088207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.67 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Kx1HE-0003Qf-ES for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:23:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:23:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <57F98444-8042-427A-94B6-3A785FFCCE70@cybermesa.com> Message-ID: References: <57F98444-8042-427A-94B6-3A785FFCCE70@cybermesa.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1660156730-1231376938-1225725816=:11138" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - medieval X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3a3fb65-9d95-4fa7-b395-1c5221b98f7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490F1766.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:23:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 3141 Lines: 90 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1660156730-1231376938-1225725816=:11138 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I'll second (or third) the opinion on The Devil's Cloth. Entertaining, a=20 good jumping-off place for further research, and occasionally there's an=20 outright gem in his quoted sources that makes up for the eight or nine=20 pages you just spent thinking "Is he high?" Jen On Sun, 2 Nov 2008, Suzanne wrote: > Chris, > > I had the same reaction to The Devil's Cloth, and his book on heraldry.= =20 > Entertaining, yes, but not always thoroughly grounded in the most recent= =20 > historical research. Pastoreau's works are an okay place to start a rese= arch=20 > project as long as you back it up with other sources. > > And the pictures are nice. :-) > > Suzanne > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> From: Chris Laning >> Date: November 1, 2008 9:04:26 PM CDT >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French titles - Mediaeval costume and textiles >> ... >>=20 >> On Nov 1, 2008, at 3:40 AM, Viv Watkins wrote: >>=20 >>> You might be interested in this book - although it covers a much wider= =20 >>> period it has a good mediaeval section. > >>> The French title is - Rayures: Une histoire des rayures et des tissus= =20 >>> rayes by Michel Pastoureau ISBN 2020236664. Publisher Seuil (1995). It= is=20 >>> out of print but Amazon has one copy available in the USA at =A315.26. >>> The translation is - The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes and Stripe= d=20 >>> Fabric (European Perspectives: A Series in Social Thought and Cultural= =20 >>> Criticism) ISBN 0231123663 . Columbia University Press (2001). Amazon = has=20 >>> plenty of copies starting from =A37.99. >>=20 >>=20 >> Michel Pastoureau is a very entertaining writer, but tends to be a bit..= =2E.=20 >> how shall I say this.... flamboyant? about some of what he says. I have = a=20 >> couple of his books, including _Blue: The History of a Color_ and right = at=20 >> the very beginning it contains some passages that appear to demonstrate= =20 >> that he either is not aware of, or is deliberately ignoring, some of the= =20 >> significant research on the cognitive history of color concepts (or so s= ays=20 >> the scholar who gave it to me). >> ____________________________________________________________ >>=20 >> O Chris Laning - Davis, California >> + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com >> ____________________________________________________________ > ---1660156730-1231376938-1225725816=:11138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ---1660156730-1231376938-1225725816=:11138-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 10:31:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3FVUkJ011007 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:31:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3FVPhS010529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3FUxDI024406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3FUwJp098251; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3FUt3h098181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.60] (dial-209-148-100-60.sonic.net [209.148.100.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mA3FUsjG010289 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:30:54 -0800 Message-ID: <490F1940.4060904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:31:12 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <251284.63446.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <251284.63446.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book on 1820s clothing, needlework, the toilet, and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 034df04a-ee3e-4e7f-be0e-50162417e2d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490F194D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:31:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1621 Lines: 43 Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Ha, I knew you would post it here as well as in other groups (where advertising is forbidden:-). > > My questions about this book are: > - are you planning to sell it through Amazon as well? I don't know. I don't sell direct to Amazon. Almost all of my bookstore sales are through by a wholesaler. > - regarding the stays making part - are there instructions on how to draft the pattern from the person's measurements? I kind of didn't get this when reading the table of contents. The patterning instructions for stays give diagrams of shapes and directions, but assume the original reader (an amateur dressmaker/stay maker of the period) had a pair of stays to copy, which she then fitted and/or altered the style of as necessary. There is a great deal of step-by step instruction on assembling the stays, including preparing the whalebones. > - is pattern drafting discussed for other kinds of garments? There is some material from a period tailor's manual on drafting riding habits and pelisses, but drafting by measure was considered too sophisticated for amateurs of the period. The original works do not even assume the amateur owns a tape measure. They use the notch-the-folded-strip-of-paper method of body measurement. > - I also didn't understand if fitting a garment is discussed Yes. - and if yes, fitting of which garments (stays as well)? Yes, the fitting of gowns and stays is discussed. Hope this helps. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 11:16:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3GGw7K012633 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:16:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3GGqRm026300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3GGGqb028007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3GGFlC046124; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA3GGBG4045951 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABES8J6XAPT2WXJ for (sender ); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:15:17 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsslRQ2MxRmeNzyFZuSfZTkok= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NY3873AU; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:14:34 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:13:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20081103.081349.3560.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 5:2:129839003 X-MAIL-INFO: 0099cd3599eded3d31b9f5319d9d6ce9b10c11b16d0849a8086d958141d929013dbd3958f9b9f9b53d582c9de11195 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] MEDIEVAL ARCHEOLOGY X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd1d540c-22b7-406b-b6ac-589661fac79d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 490F23F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:16:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 894 Lines: 26 On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:59:04 +0000 "JAMES OGILVIE" writes: > In celebration of the Society for Medieval Archeology's 50th > aniversary, the > first 50 volumes of the journal "Medieval Archeology" have been > placed > online for free viewing at > http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/library/med_arch/ > There is as list of them by years and I just clicked on 1984 at > random to > find a 30 page article on late Saxon textile finds in the City of > London! Where exactly did you find these? thanks, Arlys ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUolgWTkTlLhW6h3rl913c6HgNbRmfA31FsuP1E9Oacx12/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 11:29:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3GTYXu013436 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:29:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3GT973024483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:29:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3GSmuU029088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3GSkNf059860; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA3GShBk059703 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9685 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2008 16:28:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=E84z0eHXsXwKuRzypnefcLwK2gRGF6UCu8hC1SJaK2Vr2Lydg97yjnNMOMXGu+EIIKdDBWITL7/1BTguYfw9ETlDaooSvlqlhJABnmcvle3XbnRevJzVASQw901ErSQQ6gM8miQZAUqRaaxRrpWFeSyDvZiyxgz3pTWtO5zigYk=; X-YMail-OSG: 0ta9kZkVM1kdJNAENLE7PHWSURumcwx2iqGbWLtBqB3SpnjQVduDn2Gdt48ZnIc1xA-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:28:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <490F1940.4060904@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <212907.8801.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book on 1820s clothing, needlework, the toilet, and other topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9d26052-6a55-4c64-8296-38b1a433bb36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 490F26D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:29:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 418 Lines: 10 Thanks a lot for the answers. I'll keep this on my "wish list" till the happy day comes and I will be able to buy it. Hope it'll get to Amazon, because that saves a lot of money for me - I always buy more books at once to save on the shipping to Europe:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 3 14:16:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA3JGXkV019774 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3JGQqs024971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA3JG5jW044933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3JG2Nu047435; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3JFvBH047340 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.a.vaughan@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so2007998ugf.29 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:15:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aeJT9h6DdywLWAwz2/1xWciT8/ooTKQU1G9uEscMIns=; b=ialLhZC1+0mZqFCuKEjNWwNwm621k3Ne8LH8jqye/6SezJFgG+ktrjQYBke3EJhw8s q6OKUxvmJG9ye6eTnLfMDH2ljYj+Ik9nd8No4iqB+c81ba6RUvM044egJEDA8znU4rVt yKWBVVubrOlt8O67ZO2Tebe5U5BWXBrVCZlew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TyjzQ4ewFighwyMSKsgzaSDVQ1M90cB4rhRckCAbJNOstiBPGhrGqzPutvWNijryPP q/bLE03DxiLYZbLqXQc2i5SK4DQ/PaRUBGV/8xL1YRJEIoVkhKCyt2dKOc0+dWnxk4m3 FRJJm/KVUGqoCdIkJ0dw672CQolmdgFnH/dGU= Received: by 10.67.94.12 with SMTP id w12mr2312410ugl.25.1225739754233; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.239.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:15:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <17a9ca530811031115v1f7c0c55se8b95dd1e8e46e1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:15:54 -0800 From: "Heather Vaughan" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: <17a9ca530811030911t12925d8yca43ecb8ef52a78b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <17a9ca530811030911t12925d8yca43ecb8ef52a78b@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] "Costume in the American West: Historic to Modern Times" Call for papers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 020f6fe9-24f8-4f4b-b0a6-69254336a9ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 490F4E0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Devil's Cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91a0669e-922b-480e-8be2-2a341ef7922e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4911482B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:15:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 538 Lines: 14 What a coincidence! I didn't know the book existed until I saw a used copy = today at Powell's in Chicago. If you live in the area and want to save on s= hipping, you might want to see if it's still there (2850 N. Lincoln) Carol Mitchell =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Costume Midwes= t http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 5 10:27:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA5FRI83030932 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:27:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA5FRApg015374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA5FQhY1096885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA5FQeqX038330; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:26:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA5FQcAV038213 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABETDQZYA5V4KGS for (sender ); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:25:42 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssraM2vtEYSJeFTgwB1kGLk8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NY9A694F; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:25:18 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20081105.072505.556.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3263567111 X-MAIL-INFO: 063de1a1e1a1b0b5b0a450b0f950d5e92d454d35a935d1390c4db48df4118954c535b53d1d09648d91f9a4a51d3da1b0b59491d094cd59e0d9e074f01574f00475f00499cdd0b99d615585b905c5b15590054dadfd05a029e459b459607104c0f05975 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Devil's Cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3155651903911978819==" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 219e9bff-57d4-45f1-b7f7-fd598be12887 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4911BB4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1297 Lines: 41 --===============3155651903911978819== Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More info, please? Arlys On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:15:17 -0800 (PST) carolmitchel@att.net writes: > What a coincidence! I didn't know the book existed until I saw a used > copy today at Powell's in Chicago. If you live in the area and want > to save on shipping, you might want to see if it's still there (2850 > N. Lincoln) > Carol Mitchell > >                      Costume Midwest > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumemidwest/         > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:18:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 670 Lines: 23 On Wednesday 05 November 2008 10:50:26 am Chiara Francesca wrote: > It is a book: > http://www.google.com/books?id=qc2jyomYg7oC&dq=devils+cloth&pg=PP1&ots=emkB >FeV_Zh&source=bn&sig=VJs6xhhIxQLADRN2c9yzRkLTFwY > > It is the history of stripes on cloth. Very cool book. It has an almost > cult following. :) I can't imagine why; it has a rather low information to anecdote ratio, in my opinion. -- Cathy Raymond "We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand." --Randy Pausch _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 5 23:20:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA64KHc1016538 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:20:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA64KBD1010214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA64Jsh4071476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA64Jsjg054552; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA64Jqus054530 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so699838ugf.32 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:19:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VTFxcXw7odjCxJFvSJijV0yip5+4l4e3/WzKGborNMw=; b=nlXtKiEuJAu/vsgVpkc5dAe7JjqxLOzvnU1dXcihw33mIUkmz6E/8rzXfNPzsD0b38 z2F88UAtaGm8QxBrtXmxj1TGoSxIxhePdDYvGVNFWL798msJaV32ITxC8J7mvwpTtpOf QZoZ/5pJjosbJIn3ta3iF4Q/y9QVis3cz/Szs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=l/CIr9ZLIMsor+CuEw34ALLKzW+rXSy3dIEpdJ5yOta9atefm5EHFDkvXBZDI+JMRs ooUZZiCJ7srRzjJdJsvxaFwHU8APEi0rkDV4GMi61c6nSBuL5kcB8zR9C74yFVUmAwMB /IxfnyUt5yk2nNb0ZfpzRbp9paDOqtYK6L9Ew= Received: by 10.67.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr239331ugi.6.1225945191741; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.240.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:19:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0811052019h5c133df3o8aad12beb92ff086@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:19:51 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <1225702379.490ebbeb8764f@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1225702379.490ebbeb8764f@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] More 1890s film discovered X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6816d4a6-1947-41d8-b88c-8c02abdb908c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4912707B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:20:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 596 Lines: 18 Wow! Thanks for posting this :) I just forwarded the link withthe video in it. Amazing it's incredibly clear so I suspect there was a spot of restoration that went into it! The woman with the neck ruff, amazing to see a fashion in motion like that :) And all the hats... Michaela http://glittersweet.com > > http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,,24581615-12428,00.html > > > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24591077-2702,00.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 6 10:03:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA6F3jGQ023764 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:03:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA6F2F0D012185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:03:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA6F1RI3096354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6F1McX046089; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6F0sHr045479 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ZFRzbvxdYGruocB1mSY+fYbRJq/U6nB1Lw6uqHphUvXwWNl89k332PCll5VTHtIN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.123.110.167] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky6Lp-00010g-1F for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:00:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200811052320.15891.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <20081105.072505.556.0.Cley@juno.com> <4911c0ca.15528c0a.06de.05df@mx.google.com> <200811052320.15891.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:54:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c27d42fce674be2bc9e5fbf361780269f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.123.110.167 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Devil's Cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52286095-b199-4f8f-acd6-15ea734ddc27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491306F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1918 Lines: 48 On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 10:50:26 am Chiara Francesca wrote: >> It is a book: >> http://www.google.com/books?id=qc2jyomYg7oC&dq=devils >> +cloth&pg=PP1&ots=emkB >> FeV_Zh&source=bn&sig=VJs6xhhIxQLADRN2c9yzRkLTFwY >> >> It is the history of stripes on cloth. Very cool book. It has an >> almost >> cult following. :) > > I can't imagine why; it has a rather low information to anecdote > ratio, in my > opinion. Michel Pastoureau is a very entertaining writer. I have _Devil's Cloth_ and another one of his (_Blue: The History of a Color_) which has some huge and lovely photos in it. He's also written a very good little introductory paperback on the history of heraldry -- I used to keep an extra copy or two around to give to people who were just starting to become interested in the subject. Great photos in that one too. But I agree, I wouldn't consider either book as an unquestionable source of historical information. He has a tendency to pick out particularly entertaining bits and talk about them, rather than considering the entire sweep of the evidence. I'm also told that the "Blue" book demonstrates that he's either not aware of, or is ignoring, some of the more recent and important evidence on the history of color concepts and color words (or so said the cognitive linguist who gave it to me). That's a pretty serious failing for a book that purports to be about the history of the concept "blue." ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 6 16:20:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA6LKgiR003061 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:20:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA6LJI8x017833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:20:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA6LIS6d086965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6LIMco045264; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6LIGcu045079 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bwVy1a00N0b6N64A2xJ837; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:18:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([67.187.174.216]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bxJ61a00b4gWDqz8PxJ60L; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:18:06 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lrcZ8hZOUfl8_1JhEmYA:9 a=f0D6T60xX1YOiDcB2ZKyNgVQCzQA:4 a=ADVqutnzjLIA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490E0A62.60909@lavoltapress.com> References: <490E0A62.60909@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: From: Margo Anderson Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:18:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Seeking A Patternmaker X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa2ca29b-d56e-4357-b708-1d376082d2cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49135F56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If anyone knows of an independant contractor with professional skills, references, and experience, who can supply electronic files of finished work, and who is enthusiastic about historical costume, please contact me at margo@margospatterns.com Thanks, Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 6 16:46:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA6LkFga004177 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:46:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA6Lk7xR024019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:46:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA6Ljh4X093062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6LjhCG072529; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6LjcFc072333 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W34 ([64.4.19.134]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:45:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.115.96] From: Becky Rautine To: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:45:32 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <490E0A62.60909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2008 21:45:33.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEAF2280:01C94058] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking A Patternmaker X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9035e21b-d397-4f7c-bc5a-0d8556d641e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491365A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 665 Lines: 25 Quoting Lisa Tyson : > Amazon UK has it on sale for 15 pounds > (about $23 US ) plus shipping as part of their > paperback books sale. I ordered > mine today. It's a sweet deal if you can wait > a few days for your order to arrive. > nods. Total billed to my checking account was 36.60. :-D Hopefully it will be here tomorrow. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 6 19:35:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA70Zj8s010740 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:35:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA70ZdjJ005779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA70ZJbD029760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA70ZJ80014770; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA70ZFpu014688 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gueniveres-chest@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081107003509.VLZQ29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:35:09 -0500 Received: from VistaPC ([70.179.50.53]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id c0bA1a00618s0sN040bAmU; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:35:10 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WYdNnCJBLEgA:10 a=xuSmO7WqtrAA:10 a=LqGnFgNLAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=iVW73hcPS0aiV5IMDjAA:9 a=a5bFyf9YF1QA_2SXor-NQXpDK0kA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=pBHQT2vd-UEA:10 a=0dRpvnS4h04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Jennifer" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20081106191404.4wlhsivvrswckc4w@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20081106191404.4wlhsivvrswckc4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:35:01 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01c94070$ab789110$0269b330$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclAbsJ41FdkIzNkQCGLcjwNwudcLgAAaaVQ Content-Language: en-us X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [HNW] Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: def54e45-66ff-4a3c-a5e1-0a743e08e0f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49138D5B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Guenivere San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [HNW] Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion 4 Quoting Lisa Tyson : > Amazon UK has it on sale for 15 pounds > (about $23 US ) plus shipping as part of their > paperback books sale. I ordered > mine today. It's a sweet deal if you can wait > a few days for your order to arrive. > nods. Total billed to my checking account was 36.60. :-D Hopefully it will be here tomorrow. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 7 16:15:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA7LFeGj019252 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:15:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7LEEtf006977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA7LDBcj091428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7LD5j3068158; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (mxo5.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7LD1hP067955 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49311] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id E6/3F-13217-35FA4194 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:12:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:12:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfa56e6c-e092-49dd-bfbf-deed513b75f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4914AFA6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:15:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 397 Lines: 12 IT's here!! And it is wonderful!!!!!! Now to have a moment or 12 to sit down and read it slooowly from cover to cover!!! I think this old 1st cent Celt may be wandering up the time stream... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 7 19:10:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA80Auja025116 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:10:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA80AoDX032735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:10:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA80ATHJ029159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:10:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA80ARJ4023042; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA80ANLq022948 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cbd.3074678c (14467) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:10:10 -0500 (EST) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:10:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown sub 5000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbcfdc0e-afdf-4ae4-b355-b62a58af26da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4914D90A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:10:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 951 Lines: 26 Mine shipped yesterday and should arrive the end of next week. (Hubby ordered it and had it gift wrapped!) I did get a sneak peek preview of a friend's pre-release copy a few weeks ago. Awesome. Catherine In a message dated 11/7/2008 4:14:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cahuff@clearviewcatv.net writes: IT's here!! And it is wonderful!!!!!! Now to have a moment or 12 to sit down and read it slooowly from cover to cover!!! I think this old 1st cent Celt may be wandering up the time stream... 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 7 21:10:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA82A9ng028701 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:10:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA82A4t4030641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:10:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA829j5g051983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA829hmq095630; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA829e7w095581 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KydGc-0002GL-8y for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:09:38 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:07:38 +1100 Message-ID: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclBHdDRl/WMItu3RoCgteevX5l77QAKJPEw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea221550-c183-41df-bce0-749fce885815 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4914F4FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:10:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 935 Lines: 34 Nothing wrong with doing both periods. Mine was billed yesterday. I'll get it in a couple of weeks. Glenda 1st Century Romano-Briton 7th Century Saxon 17th Century Londoner -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of cahuff Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2008 8:13 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 IT's here!! And it is wonderful!!!!!! Now to have a moment or 12 to sit down and read it slooowly from cover to cover!!! I think this old 1st cent Celt may be wandering up the time stream... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 7 21:24:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA82OU5C029120 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:24:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA82OPCG031426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA82OB5d054805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82OBMh003540; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82O9Of003527 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1767499wfd.21 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=kyKalazcM/hFGochjBG5vLt/b+TrXWfXNAUXwV9ddXc=; b=a2+Dfj8Dh6GK9dzEKZn1szv2XM+LQXWbA2PJlZ+dLizCMqBskdCPML9FjbEqNGljX6 ZBuGMYlwK52Tqa2nFxkZVrBJ8FrglYnDs2/Nh9L0uO+WAKlI5+ROJCLv6PGSPsss6snl ExMplX0J1kMqrD6G3V7samy96qhOOMStOA0xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=ehAl/lxnQS03K4MKDhoWQiaRW537r9MG3x0/E/uHkfbBQWyoETM/kIdGjyYJSPq306 XYPduTsurHNqGML+VbLJg4mItliVNHVlAGqL6EDezMTEfC3iZEA17RUzPmqBKPeX/C2V vp6SqEqfNnPHXbUXVghR/rst0TAGFuMCfEQOg= Received: by 10.142.177.7 with SMTP id z7mr1206227wfe.281.1226111049684; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm5173269wfg.0.2008.11.07.18.24.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> In-Reply-To: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:24:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclBHdDRl/WMItu3RoCgteevX5l77QAKJPEwAACb4aA= Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4914f848.1d078e0a.1e7e.49f1@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d632904d-5282-485c-bcb3-5ddfaca10c0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4914F859.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:43:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([67.187.174.216]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cSjg1a00F4gWDqz8PSjhpH; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:43:41 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=l2XJ-IKKBg6IVVEKbLQA:9 a=jkD6gL5IuTAC7JxTZ-u72UgZPLQA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4914f848.1d078e0a.1e7e.49f1@mx.google.com> References: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> <4914f848.1d078e0a.1e7e.49f1@mx.google.com> Message-Id: From: Margo Anderson Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:43:37 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:44:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 337 Lines: 11 I'm not letting myself buy it until I finish my current project, in the hopes that it will help me force myself to finish. You all are weakening my resolve considerably, though. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 7 22:57:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA83vwAW031695 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:57:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA83vqMW023434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA83vdqp071078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA83vcKe050999; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA83vauh050980 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from reginalawsonv@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so730517elf.9 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:57:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=gtoHKIPHEn4Fz8WdKmR9oQwgSE5DyrMjoAUM6+I/FQc=; b=XFJoshHIfnCC5epzngRaRLlq4KAhKuxFf8Bpo9CcIwqJrRE5Snm+c2NXwKVMw26Z6Q DacE3Y+9Y0g/faSjBQgAoocJhjrERvKkvgrEeun8xwkMjvncqyVsbM0KNzV8WH06rbTH aNK/XhCxsm7vNER2mH4JOCaibZJBRtYjGvibA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ZMafqNSU3FZdU8oQBylURxOGKuZvpooj9I/zWkbvb/nsL7QuJ1uMVhliG7XpfnX68O AKCP2sCI9MzvM+e1cmzKJsfd+w6TyaJURWv9IuoMlEHh0uF0CqZ2lI+IPgAMlW+l6u3u xVUKFEBollPOeb4TrRvAkXnlOkm9wuaYqnFdQ= Received: by 10.64.18.17 with SMTP id 17mr4717553qbr.98.1226116654503; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.53.10 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:57:34 -0800 From: "Regina Voorhes" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e65ee20-a2c4-484b-a3da-5ae1033fae53 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49150E40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 8 12:21:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA8HLDSD020759 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:21:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA8HL7Dg018201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA8HKURZ045667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA8HKRUx017982; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA8HKQr8017971 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so704820ywe.71 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:20:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RsrOkHWo7YuitRe8cvBa6kalkPv3dZtonUFwj5HTCOQ=; b=b0noYyqJHmmf3qUufARN+sObmN3TB+8W+KG7XhXY17/5tls19J4GANph5YLRv8LnjZ KXJvHjQKG15A5UVdQS0DDUdMp2jTh0y7NRXQ98b9L2hGJjnO3HHHvYTuLMdaVof/u1zh ss1BYk0HcLFVsYF58irv6232B0UChDnXqKVs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=VhmnI95tTyetZ7DNhu7ApfW2fYYF0sNnkcrzWjgoKh/V/KB7sYYjCPTLOGiVq/4ZDm 9AvEjc2eA39YM1RYjVpp8Xo0BRXgYmVfYVWQLmlqW7sQy5TakPSc21dA/r5uHonbY+ww Ls+ivVlIaJrm7RFQJ4JzlE6VZQinRHOOVpBGs= Received: by 10.65.237.15 with SMTP id o15mr5178657qbr.6.1226164825026; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.185.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:20:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:20:24 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <587852.90695.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> <4914f848.1d078e0a.1e7e.49f1@mx.google.com> <587852.90695.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fc6a223-fe25-4e05-95f3-97e76075eba9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4915CA83.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:21:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 48 No one has mentioned what someone told me yesterday--there are color illustrations as well as black and white. I am SO ready for my copy to get here! MaggiRos On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Bella wrote: > From: Margo Anderson lists@margospatterns.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 > > I'm not letting myself buy it until I finish my current project, in the > hopes that it will help me force myself to finish. You all are weakening my > resolve considerably, though. > > Margo<<<<< > > > > Let me weaken it further, by just saying I got mine yesterday and - this > book is awesome! It is totally droolworthy. > > > > Bella :-) > > > Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started > http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151&pid=1012 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 8 16:04:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA8L4fi9000983 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA8L4YYp007171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA8L49MM091324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA8L452t068117; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from leander.concentric.com (leander.concentric.com [207.155.252.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA8L42Pe068078 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:04:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (ConcentricHost relay 1.2); with ESMTP id ED30241EA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from studio (66-105-235-2.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.2]) (Authenticated sender: jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by leander.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.70) Relay) with ESMTP id ED30241EA for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:03:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclB1HzV0XAmccYsT7qPVX3bH3YUqAAEJdrQ Message-Id: <20081108210344.ED30241EA@leander.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17d24e36-3fa3-4e56-9ca2-dd7778958ad0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4915FEE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:04:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 545 Lines: 16 No one has mentioned what someone told me yesterday--there are color illustrations as well as black and white. I am SO ready for my copy to get here! MaggiRos ************************** Illustrations?! No, color PHOTOS and nice close up ones. Pictures are even better than those in QEWU!! Wonderful book. I paid the full $50 at our local ren faire. SOOOO worth it. Julie in Ramona (San Diego) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 8 21:28:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA92Slfd018665 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:28:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA92RNiD010667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:28:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA92QgLV050356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA92QcZh047038; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:26:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA92QbqW047026 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so748658yxb.71 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:26:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rEp/fQs+6x8C2bdqbzeKAWQ4IhR+eUuLX4e5W16R0Dk=; b=PZk6WYTBb3KKoRhfldFWtJBnC76QXO2LCOtrFBdeJrPrcq8Q3f/5YYodWDUunhes+p e20P+SMqZYASkaKDVtvMHPYnp62IP3iqsc9QblijsjG0VJKeauRz1ZLfVLfBourlnkiw tbvZ+YhnyJnZg96DL5Z7FZurRKApweo4GzQD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xlmWNeSy5dFKk1aI5KcQmTc7oAci+EsXe1mZjp1RMBQlAb6sbDVzxxGmqCqBDJg+eT ZyiEWFSZVxni84S60wjw0xy6MeTXMhOasTmnSY+evRrczT8fmV3QOGlDyapqPtI6In/B Uf5IpTO0Eoacs+PXU7u0MX8E6XMpszQthV63E= Received: by 10.64.208.8 with SMTP id f8mr5510229qbg.44.1226197596772; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.185.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:26:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:26:36 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081108210344.ED30241EA@leander.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081108210344.ED30241EA@leander.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dfd3519-3b58-4541-97e2-6fcefd1d14cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49164A8B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 35 At the time I only knew about color. Then this afternoon the very nice postman handed me my copies and WOW. Yes, color photos throughout the whole first of the book. My oh my, I have too much to do today to read every word, but I've paged through it all so far. Damn, I don't even care about 2/3 of this stuff, but what a treasure!!! MaggiRos On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Julie Tamura wrote: > No one has mentioned what someone told me yesterday--there are color > illustrations as well as black and white. I am SO ready for my copy to get > here! > > MaggiRos > ************************** > Illustrations?! No, color PHOTOS and nice close up ones. Pictures are even > better than those in QEWU!! Wonderful book. I paid the full $50 at our > local ren faire. SOOOO worth it. > > Julie in Ramona (San Diego) > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 9 06:19:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA9BJUR0010453 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:19:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA9BJPHW012788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA9BJ6MC049257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9BJ3an010730; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mA9BJ1Uc010660 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11040 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2008 11:18:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=lIj4I3XEy4x8ou62W94W1ThKNYttXr2vfH9f/cDl/qjzBtR1xZwnzYvFV2kh0atVMR4NMXIILsKeWcQM0LXbldNJq+nWRYKI1REp55SaOR47o4IxGyO4vpbnXjfniYp/m20IzB18PoAwBOYsiVw4sEPwGPMkAwoPm3O+VxDugbg=; X-YMail-OSG: FwmK74sVM1kaJDRjE5nNljPvLn2jc6pz8PoYrXK.hewCxU_YXrwK0XsndKHPWFeJHqV43xbvIQrB4VFYeYKsh_lE1DXCaxV5s1toIR8oRJv0S54VAxdnSCuBmj2eim_7jnCo85ezBHkKJJbkD.bJA5J3PtvEcABXkAEwdW_mv_KbTLSdKATth0t5wQ_jvg-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:18:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 03:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <851756.10864.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] POF4, Corsets, and Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54a4d670-3f91-4534-af7e-0035d1f35878 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4916C73D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I don't have the Costume tech. handbook, but I suppose it's relatively simple and more theater-oriented than I would like. I also don't much believe books that try to cover all periods and all sorts of clothing. Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 9 15:53:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA9KrJLV028233 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:53:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA9KrDSr005312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA9KqkdC059040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9KqiJ8064716; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9KqgiA064691 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cilean@dracolore.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so3005398fkk.15 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.200.6 with SMTP id c6mr1858285bkq.44.1226263961490; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.215.14 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:52:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8b0cac540811091252y37496129t4d0cdd70701a0224@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:52:40 -0800 From: "Simone Bryan" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec691973-9fcb-44ce-98b2-b37ea7887789 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49174DB9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 289 Lines: 9 Regarding the new JA Book 4, I have to wait until payday to purchase my copy! Wahhhh but it will be purchased on Friday!! I can't wait! Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 9 17:58:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA9MwA2R001672 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:58:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA9Mw4QU026800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:58:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA9MvZ5v082994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9MvX0P036540; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9MvWkY036521 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so3074123fkk.15 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cicSpUc0FOR6lSSWTpF47Cqlrs+1Aa+Iv21POzPcRH4=; b=rICo8yIvjLb2SK0y/hoSYhJx20WlvotAB3aIEsTCdglQiQUFkhBXPjluukD/iAJXNX 1WBjzgG+ankoRxxMlgi33kvhC37mUGnJqSWCG3BF5dlRRRfRBBwSgKYGR+O6gN0SDoDh XAwIrtD1aunjaCxqyqtQgm5YKrq8w0aw7VXsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xicVI9LIGht1vW6KQwx/hQr6OIBNs64YBmgKxDI8z3vyTmRN1oWXkXYUytpRfTFfmJ oIFRQYc0MKvJO8Sp6czGputo1MwGEPljbj3RMwe6GLyz/ypV4Aque1wsxBdMIIp91er7 qNSqSsjSpHd7nrBjNS4ajV12Cjb6jtZ2rLmKg= Received: by 10.187.208.15 with SMTP id k15mr1504998faq.89.1226271450441; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.191.1 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:57:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90811091457w65cad7f7v1206dfff9308ed60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:29 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <851756.10864.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <851756.10864.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] POF4, Corsets, and Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16eee9c9-a2ff-401b-8e30-a97cc90f3481 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49176AFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:58:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 34 I would love to do a review of "Corsets" by Jill Salen. I have been looking to buy it just the other week. Sidney On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I would be sooooo grateful if someone of you knew of a review or wrote a > review of these three books: > Patterns of fashion 4 > Corsets by Jill Salen > Pattern cutting for men's costume by Elizabeth Friendship > > I am especially curious about the last one. As far as I know, apart from > the Costume technician's handbook there is no GOOD costume drafting book for > 16th to 18th c. out there. I don't have the Costume tech. handbook, but I > suppose it's relatively simple and more theater-oriented than I would like. > I also don't much believe books that try to cover all periods and all sorts > of clothing. > > Zuzana > > ___________________________ > Sartor...custom-made costumes > www.sartor.cz > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 9 18:39:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA9Ndh56003804 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:39:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA9Ndc4O005176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA9NdFBG091594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9NdFpB059023; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9NdBUU058941 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d30.42206aa4 (65099) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:39:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] POF4, Corsets, and Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdb9fc86-ee69-437b-af70-f834ffb1c15f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491774BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1626 Lines: 33 In a message dated 11/9/2008 5:58:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sid.young@gmail.com writes: I would love to do a review of "Corsets" by Jill Salen. ******************* It has clear and easy to blow up on a grid patterns. Some nice 18th century patterns I haven't seen. Not a great representation of the early and mid 19th century....a bit eclectic IMHO. Lovely late 19th century examples. 2 doll corsets plus an 18th century project and a 19th century project...meaning instructions on making the projects up. There is also a section with how-tos on sewing techniques used in the depicted corsets. It's all very clear but not for out and out beginners. I think there are too many quilted, lightly bones stays in here and ribbon corsets covered in the 19th century. Even these are very adaptable though to a more rigidly boned style if that were what one wanted. The shapes are there.... you can add bones. And the softer corded and quilted styles would be better for reenacting and theatre....where the wearers might not want to go heavily boned. This is obviously the idea behind the choices of examples. Ms Salen wants you to make up a pretty corset and wear it. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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I've found two online that are possible, a Singer (http://www.joann.com/joann/catalog.jsp?CATID=cat3199&PRODID=xprd872794&utm_source=Joann&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Prd10&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=EML20081109-D&rId=EML20081109-D) and a Brother http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11222787&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1 Between Brothers and Singers, any opinions which are better? Thanks, Susan in Seattle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 06:28:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAABSK1k023213 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAABSBQC000308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:28:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAABRfRu029416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAABRcp3023963; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:27:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAABRarv023945 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so2819207muf.1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:27:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qDuITF7FIym/0i4fxy65Q+rEdaE8TXkRsXQFlQjQJ5c=; b=Ica92W8UF3+pa+SUTYKKdt8Lj4xoCmDJnIrll5ZudCKFSeRILfIwyHWRcfqXr8ylg3 jgCYFrA9LppvCoIcNI2Nw3iXsKmCMvIkPhHv12u0YFNpkxg6ydr6l/OcTKwqBaLRj5Ld 6vLIJuQnIt6hBJhkzP3dTwtkEMBwlyVinJ7Fk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=K6sKGg6AKSP1UkBGGQHS/NpL12/Jrghg5/qenfI04l0cRgCreb95jMje9ByhuMZr2m JZAWHNpPW17Gxp8aV+f0wMvMA7G0VEEdVgFT2ylGHH88jcRwahp6PxluykEta+HskKjr YBJZPbN8088SstNYOU3kcenG4eelW7JnOx4cI= Received: by 10.187.247.15 with SMTP id z15mr1682472far.71.1226316455091; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.191.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:27:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90811100327v72f83a4axd40f56aeb4b9cb01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:27:35 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1ea4c1f-bf8a-4a58-92e9-b55ae36bfb78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49181ACC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:28:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1619 Lines: 39 Hi Susan, I bought a new Janome on eBay for next to nothing also an overlocker at 1/2 retail and both work well. I suggest that you look at eBay, then compare to your local shops. You will find an inexpensive machine that meets your requirements. The singer looks fine to me and the price looks good, just shop around and use web sites that do the price comparisons for you. Sidney On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM, scourney wrote: > Hi, > > My small light portable machine has developed problems beyond the easily > fixable. It's an older Brother. I've gone looking at the more expensive > machines, but am thinking that now is not the time. > > I have an old Kenmore that does the bulk of my straight or zig zag > stitching, but I recently got to play with a machine that has lots of fancy > stitches and I liked them. I also want a machine that can go places. Yeah, I > have indeed taken a sewing machine to a SF con and sewed in my room. > > I've found two online that are possible, a Singer ( > http://www.joann.com/joann/catalog.jsp?CATID=cat3199&PRODID=xprd872794&utm_source=Joann&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Prd10&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=EML20081109-D&rId=EML20081109-D) > and a Brother > http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11222787&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1 > > Between Brothers and Singers, any opinions which are better? > > Thanks, > Susan in Seattle > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 07:52:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAACq2UJ026559 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:52:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAACptt7011482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAACpUPG045850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAACpT5b071783; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAACpONA071735 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C009C0A35 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:51:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZC2fwo4ltTJf for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:51:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-6.39.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.39.6]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07251C09EC for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:51:22 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:51:12 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Thread-Index: AclBHhjwJ1MjgKXDSriakNUMBDWMKQCE8+jQ Message-Id: <20081110125122.07251C09EC@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73aec0b8-51bf-46be-bf86-e7af2ab346d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49182E6B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:51:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY,URIBL_SBL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 882 Lines: 18 I just got the email today that it was dispatched so I should get it some time after my last exam is over (this Friday) when I've got free time to examine it in minute detail. My dad bought it for me as a belated birthday present (my birthday was in July but he was overseas at the time & I couldn't think of anything I wanted so I said we'll go shopping when you get home. Then I forgot & got busy with study & he reminded me that I hadn't claimed my birthday present just as somebody on this list mentioned how cheap it was on Amazon UK so I emailed him the link) So you see, procrastination and indecision is a good thing! ;D ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 09:40:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAEeG1f031666 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:40:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAEe6mZ027139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAEdbXg068113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAEdVpi042325; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAEdSCx042217 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c84.3d79a471 (37096) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB076-90e849184791386; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:39:13 -0500 Message-Id: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:39:12 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21a563c3-bdbb-41a6-aaff-95ad721c1148 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491847C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:40:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1968 Lines: 48 My 2 cents: I bought a Brother CS6000i this Summer. It was 179.95 through Walmart. They delivered to my home in 2 days for 99 cents shipping. Google it for current offers from various distributors. It weighs 10 pounds. Since I do quilting, I liked the accessory pack that was included n the price. This may not be of value to you. I Reviewed many machines n line. The main complaint with this machine is thread getting tangled. The BEST advice I read was "Just re-thread it. I know you think you did it right, but do it over." On the few occasions that I had thread tangle, I simply re-threaded and it was OK. Susan NJ On Nov 10, 08, at 2:39 AM, scourney wrote: > Hi, > > My small light portable machine has developed problems beyond the > easily fixable. It's an older Brother. I've gone looking at the > more expensive machines, but am thinking that now is not the time. > > I have an old Kenmore that does the bulk of my straight or zig zag > stitching, but I recently got to play with a machine that has lots > of fancy stitches and I liked them. I also want a machine that can > go places. Yeah, I have indeed taken a sewing machine to a SF con > and sewed in my room. > > I've found two online that are possible, a Singer (http://www.joann.com/joann/catalog.jsp?CATID=cat3199&PRODID=xprd872794&utm_source=Joann&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Prd10&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=EML20081109-D&rId=EML20081109-D > ) and a Brother http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11222787&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1 > > Between Brothers and Singers, any opinions which are better? > > Thanks, > Susan in Seattle > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 10:09:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAF9lli000843 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:09:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAF9gGj028881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAF9PK4075163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAF9Puh068469; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAAF9K44068337 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54787 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 15:09:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=16NY6AXJ+1bGPkOPpMd7GoL4VvHsK4DXdH0L24CNWF9Tw7WBOTpuvkm3psXZCOfD8mnHNConuryhhuQaHYBtxxa/A/EwZvUP+QGQ4aw8bvL6+FXmoYJ7jrFPE8jY/HhOMKo/UIiaJhK/pMoqXYakUjQIYIvLPLLEmGKqMNcFok8=; X-YMail-OSG: GCVCR_IVM1mjRKGkRUil476JBCMPbeRWDRVao3.bE1uFGnbvfNpNACB_C5uu.O_u7bTuxvb3yz.phtEsELWm8quyF19vFTLZrgOkZFiORl7eq3kBAvIqnNGngTefIKR.3YpYtxI9AdKvYfqCvBdRX7Wbd9GKyzGCUWDjxFcwMmSg0PkVw23p2.D6J.KB8Q-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:09:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <66058.54315.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7a5fc18-5347-4527-95a2-1b41aa25276b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49184EB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:09:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1152 Lines: 21 Hi, I am not a big fan of Singer or some cheap versions of Brother. Most of the machines by these companies don't look to be enough precisely made. Singer used to be good, but now it seems they're machines are not of such a high quality as they used to be. I would prefer Pfaff or Janome. Pfaff machines can last for a long time and they hardly get broken. Similar with Janome, but Janome machines with the same features as Pfaff are much cheaper. Don't ask me why, the quality is often even better (as what many sewing machine specialists say). I recently bought a Janome 6600P for circa $1000 and I am very satisfied, this is the best home sewing machine I could ever find. It is, however, very heavy as it is almost fully made of metal. But Janome makes many quality machines that are very low cost. I bought mine at www.strima.com - a Polish company with very low prices!! Maybe even worth the shipping... Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 10:10:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAFAX3H000874 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:10:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAFASEt000816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:10:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAF9xeB075302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAF9x5e068928; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAF9vmK068841 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1866428gxk.23 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:09:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MggQDZeS/sPW+WqlUr05u8c13SOCXS0zqGDzc8Ua5MQ=; b=XrWKM/xDP1uR1d2KUBzgRik1dGdbTQthpsjuT8GQI0O8T0VNe5CDqNWmP/iQywDifT NsPclKzYp3529cPVkCC7TbtJa1q6uRehQE3J6gjckPDqutMWKzN770UbhIMaFmPXMV8G JGfxRvygCnYBQR5Pg4IHRgKqg6EJG/otCS5oY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gKKzsltWsRF3CN6kmFziULIin1XCE6K8j3Bti989xlIRLfkeqFrfCBaPE1ZlCxM8wq lI1yYLMp7bAMUhDGz6mxT/YQcB1bbvHmVw+bRZobJlmqiQNcJ2KBrY/mAdxs9uGYpEjq afYJ8GBG35ryhmKyxL08QSbDKMQCybVl4zuyQ= Received: by 10.90.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr6082744agb.66.1226329791334; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:09:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0811100709k65d8bff5l7ca4bad2efb08d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:09:51 -0500 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <587852.90695.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <58F1241D0CF84D3BB64D4F5BB270E7EC@DF3TNM1S> <4914f848.1d078e0a.1e7e.49f1@mx.google.com> <587852.90695.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01854e09-fcd8-418e-baa5-756989a039a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49184EE4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 438 Lines: 9 > Let me weaken it further, by just saying I got mine yesterday and - this book is awesome! It is totally droolworthy. Yup. Mine got here last Friday. Totally cool - all in colour - and explains all those weird construction bits we've been wondering about, in detail. Verrrry interesting :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 11:36:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAGa6DW005522 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:36:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAGYfVU024419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAGXwHW094629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAGXvdF052229; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:33:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s5.cableone.net (s5.cableone.net [24.116.0.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAGXroJ052062 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s5.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s5) with ESMTP id 9908373-1872270 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:33:47 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:33:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> Thread-Index: AclDQjJxsBHk+hTeRrKylYXZgx3FCgADyjTQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 213, in=108, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0db37842-e728-4df7-8b09-f5048a5c269a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491862A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 743 Lines: 20 Susan wrote: " The BEST advice I read was "Just re-thread it. I know you think you did it right, but do it over." On the few occasions that I had thread tangle, I simply re-threaded and it was OK." Here's a tip for threading your machine--the spool should be VERTICAL, not horizontal, for best thread flow. Thread with the presser foot UP so that the tension discs are open, and your thread can go in. And if you are buying a machine, DON'T buy a Singer, unless it is old, black and metal. Check out your local Bernina dealer--they may have something wonderful available as a trade in. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 11:44:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAGiWAB006103 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAGiQgm012562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAGi5gd096965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAGi5cH063113; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp0.av-mx.com (smtp0.av-mx.com [137.118.16.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAGi2Oo063066 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from webmail.fairpoint.net (wm0.neonova.net [137.118.24.135]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4BF1BF998 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 169.244.143.121 (proxying for 169.244.7.200) (SquirrelMail authenticated user twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by webmail.fairpoint.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50652.169.244.143.121.1226335441.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: References: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: "TIM GILBERT" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6d5a2ab-afbe-482c-be60-0c1c8bb88a44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491864EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:44:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 656 Lines: 21 > And if you are buying a machine, DON'T buy a Singer, unless it is old, > black and metal. Hear, hear. That's been my experience also. Within ten years or so, the Singer name was sold, so the new "Singer" machines are not really the Singers that we all know and love. I have been able to get old, black Singers for under $100.0, and they are by far the best machines I have ever owned. Marjorie -- Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 12:36:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAHakIM009081 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:36:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAHafda013276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAHaF4F009802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:36:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHaDRG018244; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHa9i0018099 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.ca1.45c09284 (37083) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB065-90db491870fe122; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:35:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3E691C51-2127-4F5D-817F-2565869E637F@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:35:58 -0500 References: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 592c2a78-02d0-4461-8779-f29e13f94ab5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49187129.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:36:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1143 Lines: 43 FYI - I was told that Brother is made by Singer. All that was said about newer Singers presumably holds with newer Brothers, as well. Susan NJ On Nov 10, 08, at 11:33 AM, Kim Baird wrote: > > Susan wrote: > " The BEST advice I read was "Just re-thread it. I know you think > you did > it right, but do it over." On the few occasions that I had thread > tangle, I > simply re-threaded and it was OK." > > Here's a tip for threading your machine--the spool should be > VERTICAL, not > horizontal, for best thread flow. Thread with the presser foot UP so > that > the tension discs are open, and your thread can go in. > > And if you are buying a machine, DON'T buy a Singer, unless it is > old, black > and metal. Check out your local Bernina dealer--they may have > something > wonderful available as a trade in. > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 12:46:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAHkX6Q009627 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAHkOSh019284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAHk06Y012351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHjxLD042573; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:45:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHjvMv042540 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so976184yxb.71 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:45:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=HDvlMDiHaUAznB+p94j/JDo0YtA2/0uOvgfbY0myYY8=; b=eQthRWaS/eD11qEtifkP0csIBIoR0Rjc2CJjLRH1KXamCWQMPKSv7zcf65o+257Qcu jJnaY4bTxlmZ8Fsb0HmiGom+0QraYb6uOcbP5oOX34B6rMqnH/C5yv5EsPkn0OO+HQCM OEeL2a/S8ssCTwFO10gCODEq97cxo8IutwZBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FIF7LGpbqMSV8yG5cUkvbLRlZhe3SEAjA4fsI8gTjfb8uGEKzLRsXZqvZfOn17/dl/ Pfn8d3+YxgFyRUJc9PJniAomKEfuw4tl2seopW0SW1C/CYCV3NHYIl8SiFxxLsSdeQoi tFo6wFJiPIphs29gDz7vthLySOAGWZlzmWCCk= Received: by 10.90.26.9 with SMTP id 9mr5933290agz.59.1226339155386; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:45:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:45:55 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbacf34e-79a3-4166-9488-c04b25ac4f93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49187370.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1827 Lines: 59 I have an additional question, if one were to purchase a machine just to do buttonholes, what machine would you reccomend? alex hates to do them manually, and considering a machine that does nothing but... On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > FYI - I was told that Brother is made by Singer. > > All that was said about newer Singers presumably holds with newer Brothers, > as well. > > Susan > NJ > > > > On Nov 10, 08, at 11:33 AM, Kim Baird wrote: > >> >> Susan wrote: >> " The BEST advice I read was "Just re-thread it. I know you think you did >> it right, but do it over." On the few occasions that I had thread tangle, >> I >> simply re-threaded and it was OK." >> >> Here's a tip for threading your machine--the spool should be VERTICAL, not >> horizontal, for best thread flow. Thread with the presser foot UP so that >> the tension discs are open, and your thread can go in. >> >> And if you are buying a machine, DON'T buy a Singer, unless it is old, >> black >> and metal. Check out your local Bernina dealer--they may have something >> wonderful available as a trade in. >> >> Kim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 12:57:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAHvTLM010181 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:57:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAHu2N8020223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAHtUpr014531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHtU6G053687; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s7.cableone.net (s7.cableone.net [24.116.0.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAHtQXT053542 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s7.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s7) with ESMTP id 10427134-1872270 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:55:21 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:55:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AclDXD3SqSMQyMH/R+a2ZXY3GbetVAAAM3jg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 220, in=103, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cb00864-8b43-4dec-9283-90eb7bf5281d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491875B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:56:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 509 Lines: 14 I hate to say it, but an old black Singer, with the buttonhole attachment, makes the best buttonholes ever. Other than that, you'd have to go pretty high end to get a decent automatic buttonhole. The newest computer machines will even measure the button for you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, and sew all the holes the same. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 13:07:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAI7diD010729 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:07:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAI7WdT031550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:07:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAI2CdB016273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAI2Bm6060842; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAI2937060806 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so1059440hsz.15 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:02:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B3JNSgjW0XhRQm3MofJ8ptWhVI6upBbh2uiLvZrZNj8=; b=aNnjn9rwUdsql4dIei7aD96Q3vMC4xac2CeIb8BToCc8o7L2iMPHi/07vQi8uKtiBT VgGUVofHO26KymrP5aeEDsbQwD0WufJrx3GVxDyw2YbfN9xW3qkHC3l4lqFOoM5muKTa SHuIBRy0Fs2xKMriqp3IEaVIvypaPIWC9eBXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WztwL3P9DrQAItDb75Xs3wUSuj8M7zJBQPbgBp7Qehyrl8KWcd6qmBIoJ62tE/IvoD S+csu33AWXuyoR68uywHD3c+B3gsNoQaVyy1wByfOhLgPlSf5eJKFEqdK4bnaWcQpF+V r/Tf7/xqCCbgcKqmxm7ya+jPzamL1zFQpvLkQ= Received: by 10.90.34.11 with SMTP id h11mr6239877agh.114.1226340128410; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:02:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0811101002k57451b53i486d215764af7fd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:02:08 -0500 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2af5d0a1-3ffa-4fc8-bf70-b6ca28e081a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49187864.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 395 Lines: 9 > buttonhole. The newest computer machines will even measure the button for > you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, and sew all > the holes the same. Yup. I have a Viking Lily 555, and it makes really nice button holes... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 13:50:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAIowjD013626 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAIopDe001432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAIoM8Y027466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAIoKT1017242; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAIoHvX016991 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49177] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id 19/31-20132-36288194; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine/buttonholer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 017ce24b-8ea3-4c75-b74d-915536485a3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4918828B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1029 Lines: 24 At 10:55 AM -0700 11/10/08, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I have an additional question, if one were to purchase a machine just >to do buttonholes, what machine would you reccomend? Um an older Singer with the attachment. Makes the best button holes. I got a Singer 401 (slant needle) for $40 and the slant needle buttonholer for $5. The 401 has all the fancy stitches with the cams and some built in. Its a tank and sews like a dream. My latest was an Elna Supermatic that is a low shank machine so it can take the Singer buttonholer. Also works like a Swiss watch, and is very portable. Has a bazzillion fancy stitches with the cams. If you want a good affordable machine, look for an older all metal one. Name brand or Japanese copy. Ta Carol, who has also take a sewing machine to a convention and used it... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 14:03:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAJ34Kw014370 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:03:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAJ2s0M005983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAJ2UPX030143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAJ2UrW031701; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAAJ2PJ2031612 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: (qmail 88031 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from 71.198.114.173 (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (71.198.114.173) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:02:24 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.198.114.173 Message-ID: <4918852C.2050109@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:02:04 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley Organization: The Bovine Illuminati User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8f9a5e1-a24e-4c1f-ba44-ea5783a4221f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4918855E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 618 Lines: 16 scourney wrote: > Hi, > > My small light portable machine has developed problems beyond the easily fixable. It's an older Brother. I've gone looking at the more expensive machines, but am thinking that now is not the time. Not a big fan of Brother or Singer. The ultimate portable is the Elna Lotus. This model was made in the 70's and 80's. It's smaller than a Singer Featherweight and self-boxing, but has about a dozen stitches and a good buttonhole system. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 14:05:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAJ5iDM014490 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:05:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAJ5Os2012729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAJ5BCv030725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAJ5BNm034520; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAAJ57dH034451 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: (qmail 32177 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:04:56 -0000 Received: from 71.198.114.173 (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (71.198.114.173) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:04:56 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.198.114.173 Message-ID: <491885CC.6070606@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:04:44 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley Organization: The Bovine Illuminati User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23192c9a-4c15-45df-a450-91d2e84e051b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491885F4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Most old straight-stitch machines supported some variant on this system. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 14:17:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAJHcAm015358 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:17:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAJHWjY009027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAJHI30033357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAJHIWK047608; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s7.cableone.net (s7.cableone.net [24.116.0.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAJHFLF047459 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s7.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s7) with ESMTP id 10432452-1872270 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:10 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4918852C.2050109@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:16:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3FBB8AD5F2274487BD8A5A3B31C88F48@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4918852C.2050109@bovil.com> Thread-Index: AclDZuqx9C2CjxsjRKK8cnlYRAHFaQAAc4RQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 220, in=104, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 482c2ab5-a6c4-44dd-8836-9454c2ba105e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491888CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:17:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 559 Lines: 18 Andy wrote: The ultimate portable is the Elna Lotus. This model was made in the 70's and 80's. It's smaller than a Singer Featherweight and self-boxing, but has about a dozen stitches and a good buttonhole system. I have one of these, and it is a great little machine, perfect for travel. There are 3 on ebay at the moment. You should consider a Janome Gem for travel. I've heard good things about them. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 15:08:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAK8Tkv019060 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAK8O1C011832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAK2UjK044033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAK2SQU094727; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAK2R6n094711 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1011564yxb.71 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=toBIIl9eHcH28dAUzGnSzF0mjLhKtUhclTARnNnTL2M=; b=Kf02Rm0HfPnhEbzVvql2o/I7YUuqa4uadTkZDBWvgCjJHyU2PDGXrKrtrUyL98B58J oVH8zcMR5cbC/miKngjL0jylI8sl4oqWydo+RwBAryyiUrONjirsEL4G7WTX5gECVDKm e6at5O2sne70Fy6iUyhLs9Mc3KuQhkldapZSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=wOEj551SUA+W5DtqiSLBOL8c+G5+wNQSHf5uOxKYUiWhX2lI6UI0b0Q8qP8WJmMNRk jSp+OkO7WMRiRjbDlreV9cmVTSSzWvWFo35pFicKXLq/DJ0RInffK0o2MNWxW0folpJz LFegcv/Rg3CYDD7cNfZROOXcdbSDbxCpRePnE= Received: by 10.90.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr6376350agb.66.1226347347116; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.66.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:02:27 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] dying question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a047225c-ae9c-4b10-9301-010690dfa63f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491894B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1256 Lines: 28 I have some scrap wool flannel in a deep pink - it's not a pastel and it's not a fushia, just a good solid color. The color was good for my granddaughter who is a pink girl, but not for me - I'm a jewel tone fan. I want to make a shawl or drape that I can wear while in bed/ around the house kind of thing -I'm getting ready for some major surgery that may or may not keep me bed bound for the recovery, at the first of December, and the local weather may be cold, and it may not... But I thought a wrap of this wool would be lovely for reading in bed or while in the hospital. I just can't live with the pink. I'd like something in the cranberry/claret range. I'm also expecting to full this so it will be real warm, because you never can tell about hospital rooms, either over warm or freezing! any suggestions on what colors to use to get the cranberry/claret color desired? alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 15:08:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAK8fmQ019073 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAK8ZnI005674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAK8Bqh045373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAK8AeF000816; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAK86WG000736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from www.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mAAK80PS023135 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:05 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by www.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d16a14d-c33b-4761-a2a0-35d12270d438 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491894C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 825 Lines: 21 > The newest computer machines will even measure the button for > you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, and sew > all the holes the same. Actually I remember something from waaaay back, maybe in the 70s, a style where you would place your button in the attachment rather than a cam. Not sure if it made allowances for button thickness, though. A thick or domed button needs a bit more than the usual diameter+ buttonhole. I agree with setting up a dedicated machine with the buttonholer attachment. Just make sure it's the type where you can change the cams from the top, without having to remove the attachment each time. ;-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 15:15:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAKF47i019450 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:15:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAKExN4002103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAKDdQX046419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKDcAm006086; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKDY4Y005930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:15:06 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:15:06 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] dying question Thread-Index: AclDcFDbJ/Wh5qIiSfW1a/bhcDUVogAAKpzQ Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B11F364@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] dying question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da38078c-d9a8-46df-a0ad-ed9245c56bcf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49189643.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:15:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 621 Lines: 19 How about brazilwood? any suggestions on what colors to use to get the cranberry/claret color desired? alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 15:20:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAKJspH019591 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:19:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAKIIX8004996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAKHZmn047318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKHZ8S010015; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKHWqL009931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.70] (dial-209-148-101-70.sonic.net [209.148.101.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAAKHUWM011154 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:31 -0800 Message-ID: <491896DD.8060001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:17:33 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] dying question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce58fa4b-7a6c-46d2-9ec1-0d70aa704df6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4918970A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:19:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 851 Lines: 26 In my experience, dyeing over with a similar but deeper color is usually very successful. Your new color is likely to entirely cover the old color and not conflict with it. Therefore, just pick the shade of red you want off the manufacturer's dye chart. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing and needlework! http://www.lavoltapress.com Alexandria Doyle wrote: I just can't live with the pink. I'd like > something in the cranberry/claret range. > > I'm also expecting to full this so it will be real warm, because you > never can tell about hospital rooms, either over warm or freezing! > > any suggestions on what colors to use to get the cranberry/claret color desired? > alex > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 15:21:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAKL3X0019652 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAKKvJP027512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAKFaal046875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKFXVI007948; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAKFRhM007727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:17:00 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:16:59 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes Thread-Index: AclDcFdPcArFH3+VS2iBB7c2FjhnsAAALhcA Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B11F366@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c947d20e-8a25-4b8f-a29c-e4ac93e3aa0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491897A9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 782 Lines: 22 Yeah - I remember waaaay back, too. I had one of those, & I don't believe it did make allowance for thickness. Since I usually used rather standard buttons, it worked quite well. Patty Actually I remember something from waaaay back, maybe in the 70s, a style where you would place your button in the attachment rather than a cam. Not sure if it made allowances for button thickness, though. A thick or domed button needs a bit more than the usual diameter+ buttonhole. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 16:15:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAALFE0W022040 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALF8wE021437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAALEKnM060485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAALEG3P066085; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAALEE7u065952 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.197]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALE6Nk013037 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:14:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5D66BB74-9AF5-4F6F-922A-686D539A5584@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:14:06 -0800 References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7439bf8d-3c31-46d1-81c1-8e1605e81548 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4918A45C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1014 Lines: 26 On Nov 10, 2008, at 12:08 PM, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> The newest computer machines will even measure the button for >> you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, >> and sew >> all the holes the same. > > Actually I remember something from waaaay back, maybe in the > 70s, a > style where you would place your button in the attachment rather than > a cam. Not sure if it made allowances for button thickness, though. A > thick or domed button needs a bit more than the usual diameter+ > buttonhole. I had a Singer Futura II 920 (the last good machine Singer ever made) with a one-step buttonhole system. You attached the buttonhole foot, inserted the button, and flipped a lever to complete the set-up. It did account for button thickness by using an angled stop; thicker buttons would result in a longer buttonhole. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 16:42:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAALgLDv023370 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:42:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALgFe3016680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:42:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAALfh4x066670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAALfgDn091281; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAALfd5r091223 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA36335028E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:40:06 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:40:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclDb0tEa6hvSdELTRyQFgdZmCRZkQADScyA In-Reply-To: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] dying question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c870eeb-8b60-40ea-8f1e-878c02c13852 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4918AAB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:42:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1875 Lines: 44 You could dye over using something in the red range. Try cold water dye, as then the wool won't shrink. Or soak it in very strong cold tea. It will dull the color somewhat. Or sew up a quilt with it as the batting. Or a quilted bed jacket/shawl. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] dying question I have some scrap wool flannel in a deep pink - it's not a pastel and it's not a fushia, just a good solid color. The color was good for my granddaughter who is a pink girl, but not for me - I'm a jewel tone fan. I want to make a shawl or drape that I can wear while in bed/ around the house kind of thing -I'm getting ready for some major surgery that may or may not keep me bed bound for the recovery, at the first of December, and the local weather may be cold, and it may not... But I thought a wrap of this wool would be lovely for reading in bed or while in the hospital. I just can't live with the pink. I'd like something in the cranberry/claret range. I'm also expecting to full this so it will be real warm, because you never can tell about hospital rooms, either over warm or freezing! any suggestions on what colors to use to get the cranberry/claret color desired? alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 17:13:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAAMDPo4025749 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAAMDHNI024985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAAMD0WF075175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAMD0rl022794; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAAMCt7H022705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from www.patriot.net (www-data@pierce.patriot.net [209.249.176.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mAAMCp7Z030116 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:12:54 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by www.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64443.72.13.239.193.1226355174.squirrel@www.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <491896DD.8060001@lavoltapress.com> References: <870801590811101202j3ef25348s51e8aea66e2e907d@mail.gmail.com> <491896DD.8060001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] dying question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: befd6ffa-ba6c-4986-9861-8bbdba84db95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4918B1FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 950 Lines: 22 > In my experience, dyeing over with a similar but deeper color is usually > very successful. Your new color is likely to entirely cover the old > color and not conflict with it. Therefore, just pick the shade of red > you want off the manufacturer's dye chart. Every once in a while, though, you get a piece of fabric where the fibers are apparently saturated with the original color and will not take a new dye. In that case, RIT dye remover will help before trying the new color. Otherwise I agree that any old shade of red or reddish brown will work =97 whatever you like. And dyeing in hot water will full the wool a bit. RIT contains both dyes for animal fiber and plant fiber. Toss in a plant fiber item (cotton or linen) and then you'll get extra mileage out of the dye. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 20:41:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAB1fFxo004771 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:41:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAB1dd7Z020491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAB1cthv017423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAB1cru7087791; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAB1cp5r087767 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1324516ele.8 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:38:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Uqa4Q4wWaF8gOECI2l7zCKbSAY+kLMLbJnclBewn7zM=; b=BCCpJtgVdUuRPgW2p5IJ1TPEvjUDJjb8JwkcXiBeOXL7t+zgquj8bJLvrmJNZI8tjk 28uXu+SO5Y2h+5MEiK17nZD174ZLdO3PuXSI9apjbF2kgPpjT23UiZ15lvkN44xbBzQf sV+a6+940iYxanALE9AtMIweAAB+G2hMQDIII= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qMjG0WonpY6hOUAUB6awX+0Bxemw2C54FF8l/0g0qiJuGkrdenyhAewRC0h/1yEB2P 93lIZIycu4t4IwhEs6JYi0yi6ECTXc1zaL5IdDh2wIdwphCqc3jbUu8RRG0vYO1JVf1v 19ZaXGDboBbbQQlFwQef/il/DAsFwlBYlRzKc= Received: by 10.64.10.2 with SMTP id 2mr7220078qbj.76.1226367530575; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.185.14 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:38:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:38:50 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <5D66BB74-9AF5-4F6F-922A-686D539A5584@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> <63012.72.13.239.193.1226347685.squirrel@www.patriot.net> <5D66BB74-9AF5-4F6F-922A-686D539A5584@bovil.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 280a9fe4-5ddd-4949-824a-846356cdee53 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4918E25B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1493 Lines: 43 Every time I've ever used a 1-step drop-in-the-button buttonholer, the button shifts or pops out before I've done more than a couple. I can't keep my eye on the button and the fabric, too. MaggiRos On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 12:08 PM, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > The newest computer machines will even measure the button for >>> you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, and sew >>> all the holes the same. >>> >> >> Actually I remember something from waaaay back, maybe in the 70s, a >> style where you would place your button in the attachment rather than >> a cam. Not sure if it made allowances for button thickness, though. A >> thick or domed button needs a bit more than the usual diameter+ >> buttonhole. >> > > I had a Singer Futura II 920 (the last good machine Singer ever made) with > a one-step buttonhole system. You attached the buttonhole foot, inserted the > button, and flipped a lever to complete the set-up. It did account for > button thickness by using an angled stop; thicker buttons would result in a > longer buttonhole. > > andy -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 22:07:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAB37BAq007762 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAB373tW003098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAB36bYx034927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAB36ZVN043367; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAB36VH8043252 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42698 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 03:06:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hW5izk5tohZzN6fUxtZARmazUKDOYKm5K077aEzfMvDPe4RZ9QHzXmBEhLbiq3qh/48h953DfabVGSEfOwJK+9nxEY66VLnzIDvLF84naDYgkD3Td8OhZAYVg/JR8K5NojNrDhirSfxbRCkhO0T5xIogIYlzls0r8R632k6vEDU=; X-YMail-OSG: bdyi3EcVM1l0NX.ISNKCfpbj7ZCuzWqEIeW7Y2Fkl2iNW5zjltSXbDJFFpi84mfsNLtkCm.ugAkYFDUkNy8t6vjGUn4BAXyCr1YrhfmoaK_zaUhhGlcV6idFFgr3VgTqgLQBRuWDDfkHvhgHW9RKwdTHde4FJi5kmI5T0AUx Received: from [144.38.161.196] by web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:06:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <188692.42666.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machines and buttonholes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb5f9ba4-59bb-4948-a38a-33205d80c514 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4918F6D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 467 Lines: 15 Personally, I like the older Berninas{1990s or earlier}=A0for buttonholes. = They go in so nice and easy.=A0 I have a 1000 I bought JUST for buttonholes= on eBay. I also have a Brother 1500s, a Consew Industrial, a Pfaff 6122, a= 1985 Necci, a Juki 622 serger and a Pfaff coverlock serger. = =A0 Jodi Nelson = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 10 22:15:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAB3FF4n008171 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAB3DpTu009581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAB3DEKJ036356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAB3DEPf047755; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAB3DBLD047669 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c43.3c609812 (39330) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:12:59 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.10 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88384691-137e-41bc-ae4a-cd718a265d46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4918F86F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:14:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1214 Lines: 25 In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:39:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maggiros@gmail.com writes: Every time I've ever used a 1-step drop-in-the-button buttonholer ******************* I've had zero problem with mine. It makes great buttonholes! And I'm just using a Brother Inovis 80....I got to use while my Bernina was in the shop. My Bernina makes great buttonholes too...on the almost exact same principle as the Brother machine. I must admit I sorta chug along while I make them instead of going fast. The one time I was in a hurry and was making the hole fast, the button did rattle out of the presserfoot, but it didn't matter since the gauge doesn't move unless you push with a bit of force on it, and then it clicks into the next setting. But that didn't happen. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:38:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 364 Lines: 13 I like Berninas full stop. The older mechanical ones are the best (less to go wrong, so they're workhorses). And the buttonholes are good too (although better if you do the corded version, which are fabulos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 09:19:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABEJ0UJ019767 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:19:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABEIqMZ006655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:18:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABEIbT3004511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABEIa5R073578; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABEIXBf073480 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id do7l1a00L0Fqzac58qHufM; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:55 +0000 Received: from MAIN ([71.59.83.55]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dqJS1a00t1BdDlj3UqJTsJ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:18:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lTSX6Oo5IekTe36f3r8A:9 a=caxvXJHl3quD93K0LCBOqR81C9cA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 Message-ID: <009d01c94408$56f9ac00$6401a8c0@MAIN> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <53FE0839-B574-419E-A55F-BA76EA53AE41@aol.com> <50652.169.244.143.121.1226335441.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:18:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1870e865-831a-4f05-9e34-c92dceff36d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4919944C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:18:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 827 Lines: 22 Hear, hear. That's been my experience also. Within ten years or so, the Singer name was sold, so the new "Singer" machines are not really the Singers that we all know and love. I have been able to get old, black Singers for under $100.0, and they are by far the best machines I have ever owned. Marjorie>> My old Singer was $60. It came IN a cabinet, complete with matching bench, and all accessories, including the buttonholer. I had to replace the motor, which cost all of $17 including shipping, and involved two screws to attach it to the machine. Not only does it run like a dream (though I haven't tried the buttonholer) but it is a thing of beauty in itself. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 14:12:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABJCO9b030080 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:12:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABJCIxW024523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:12:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABJBwYa031442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABJBs9x010433; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from exprod5og105.obsmtp.com (exprod5og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mABJBodi010342 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from source ([147.134.0.84]) by exprod5ob105.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSRnY9hk1Vvo9kC/TVH8/UqV6kpdm1sGk@postini.com; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:11:52 PST Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8F1AF4C100 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 1D6484C0ED for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF06924012F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:11:49 -0600 (CST) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:11:52 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping Thread-Index: AclD8fIwQEMrFF2bR5inPohv6QpdwAAPyo5g References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77e06dcf-9c6d-4200-b83d-405e75c92aae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4919D912.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:12:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 399 Lines: 13 Ok, it is $50, but just got word that my order of Janet Arnold, Vol 4 is "shipping soon" from amazon.com so they should have copies in stock Cindy Abel h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 14:43:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABJhkDb031189 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:43:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABJgKeR022224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABJfT23039991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABJfTQP046716; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABJeiPh045862 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dvc11a00V0QkzPwA2vhT7S; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dvhT1a0062lQJFg8NvhT6D; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: ?? Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000 Message-Id: <111120081941.22551.4919DFE6000632B10000581722058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36bf6614-cf94-40d0-ba46-665d8ff1bc56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4919E01C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:43:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 832 Lines: 11 Hi, Can anyone tell me what happens to silk taffeta when it is washed in soap and water? I have machine washed and dried a lot of silk dupioni, and am very pleased with the fabric that results (it shrinks a lot, but the resulting fabric is thus denser and more closely-woven; the colors and shine don't seem to be hurt by the process, but it is softer) and of course I wash silk crepe blouses all the time. And I will probably just run the experiment on some taffeta to find out for myself; but I would be grateful for information on what to expect if anyone has experince to share. Does it lose all crispness? Thanks! Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 14:56:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABJun10031515 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABJuhu3012586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABJuHdh041019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABJuFpx060832; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mABJuCJA060703 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53893 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 19:56:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JjMiX56WMU3jEIwNxrl+r8Y/vX5Z49vfVOCW26dqFLFF3z53Ga8mwTmW8bkjZXco2fAYbvG5v/1/RT5aE9umxTt/VeHajkj42Fz61harMVqvTs7Wqg0+IdjbjnQJTIetOhK2uBUf11EYS2BSJABZ6rqLpaKeXZNdcIrM8cEoeMM=; X-YMail-OSG: Uu8LTZkVM1lrFkc_xMpdGeNN_atSWQr3i0fLI1tXGBwfA69IvfNfAG4FhkBMe1c1Zaqv6w4HVfwpGFLsY927Jgl3XlQeZaX0dLu5Iu_rIYyLsq7WxW420h3RYLI9E4TXT3.DjsemuldKShTIzrZib2aqwjs9Yu57vpR65g-- Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:56:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <968757.53541.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5b7450d-1413-45b6-9040-13a45b67ca4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4919E37C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 568 Lines: 10 I inherited my grandmother's Singer. I think it may have been purchased in the late 60s or early 70s. I had it serviced and some new electrical cords added but it never worked quite right. Anything more than the thinnest fabric and the gears seemed to slip. Now that my not all that old Kenmore is giving me fits I wonder if I should take the Singer in as well. I have the owners manua, cams, and a bunch of feet. Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 15:20:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABKKKeB032141 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:20:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABKKBkx021415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABK4MAh041670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABK4Mas069037; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABK4Juh068915 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:04:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FALFnhxtikSHVn+VDmVvC3nfpviTJYTyhjDbPZwN9MwzQNkm8DVOTUoHgbRToMZ2; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.231.154.14] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzzTB-0004Ko-Bw for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:04:14 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:04:10 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclD8fIwQEMrFF2bR5inPohv6QpdwAAPyo5gAAHVRiA= X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120872a51e32b8f1f84f0fa37df8769d4cf636dce2d9cd9b30c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.154.14 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bef3b7bd-ce33-4387-9c15-29791c701689 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4919E8FB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 921 Lines: 30 Yesterday, Amazon.com stated that Patterns of Fashion 4 was $64.00 and there were none in stock. How did you get the $50 price? Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping Ok, it is $50, but just got word that my order of Janet Arnold, Vol 4 is "shipping soon" from amazon.com so they should have copies in stock Cindy Abel h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 15:40:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABKeZ01032664 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABKeUuh002399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABKe6Qq044352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABKe4uG002564; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABKdxl2002365 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6745514416D for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:39:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4919ED72.7070805@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:39:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <870801590811100945jce9a19fjabe5d86a7c3e54f@mail.gmail.com> <1E5F52F863064759A4873A5EC2A94D3C@anteckim> <16a2233a0811101002k57451b53i486d215764af7fd0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0811101002k57451b53i486d215764af7fd0@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines and button holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67ec7c40-99a1-43a3-b3db-39565d7f362c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4919EDBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 954 Lines: 25 Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> buttonhole. The newest computer machines will even measure the button for >> you, and make the hole the correct size. They memorize the size, and sew all >> the holes the same. >> > > Yup. I have a Viking Lily 555, and it makes really nice button holes... I do too, and I agree. I bought it for the buttonholes. I tried several different makes of machine before deciding on one that was right for me. I think it's the only way to go. There are so many features to consider, and you can really only tell if the machine is comfortable and a good fit for you if you test drive it. I looked at other machines but did not like the way the reverse feature worked, or the placement of the knee lift, and other things. You can only find that out by trying them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 15:57:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABKvnCx000857 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:57:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABKvhFf020622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:57:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABKp23u045186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABKp2Ze012518; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mABKoxSx012373 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:51:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pennyrobertsho@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32555 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 20:50:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qZJ4/aS73lON7B7w3t3JogQZHjpH4rVLmP6zjWStfzZb8+rD6R2v5zyPjb5KUlTuxjp3tqs2nVKT1cZe/zANGQGoS3YBPJNb8zE60+NYWmwhAOgbULBkI3Dc2FrEK69UQseZNB3u3rq9z/TAUwUcdhH7gb3vbcINorbGRJY57J4=; X-YMail-OSG: a3ZYrfYVM1k4WIOvL4G9Mj9lcHRILPzfrvSwDeRGqNxBfoBlYQ3Etlr6B3qwD5RbKw9nzb9jFpVBBUMBHNsi4zSHQqoP65JvmINuQ_7GXiIlfWS3E9E0PGS00CllSU_xbsggnqfqIpjcavshNZot4bGrQtkMSSk8ObYmE8l57W13CDIxR.jc8AJsf54V Received: from [198.64.19.16] by web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:50:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Roberts To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <786045.32259.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3507f4e1-6348-4d7a-a103-a053be92e871 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4919F1C7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:57:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1393 Lines: 50 I got mine from http://www.poisonpenpress.com/=A0for $52.95 and it came qui= te rapidly ________________________________ From: Diane Maynard To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:04:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping Yesterday, Amazon.com stated that Patterns of Fashion 4 was $64.00 and there were none in stock.=A0 How did you get the $50 price? Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping Ok, it is $50, but just got word that my order of Janet Arnold, Vol 4 is "shipping soon" from amazon.com=A0 so they should have copies in stock Cindy Abel h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 16:59:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABLxriJ002904 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABLxltX022117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABLxPYG049863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABLxNsI069287; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mABLxJUG069174 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67218 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 21:59:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jwJiUTjnC7b4/kBScHubF6sLS6zuMzc9hoXy9s9hfF6MCsFh578YhHvawGBilf+sFX4HupMA/Db/UQ9l+XbXDzVe09sx8ytTHHbqFwjyAtYCW5oBULCDXbjZ6oJx9VD/0jNw4hgVd+BaNKRrQnsvsjljRem5nrTFsyHZEsebrSw=; X-YMail-OSG: XqdMXecVM1m.ZY9LRDPHHoEDg5S9dFfTmJSvQ3b3tSf8zLu4mKERA84skz28T2Ino2H5p3GbQFLuiXK5scbKecDCpKh5R8wqfqz3TrXnluRLkiAKcPzHxEpYdKEFQvZKrCYNCFaeyi7QBy2nMeBiPRQitw-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:59:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <111120081941.22551.4919DFE6000632B10000581722058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <857719.67140.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c16ae4c-6e40-4024-95b3-896dfaa3a0e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491A0053.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 640 Lines: 14 I haven't tried it, but I think this would be one of the safest silk fabrics to hand-wash. Julie Parker in her book All about silk says it could be hand-washed - and should be rolled in a towel to dry. The same with silk shantung. Interesting, she does not recommend this for douppioni. Probably because of the shrinkage - shantung and taffeta are more tightly woven, so they would not shrink that much. Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 17:08:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABM8C1N003229 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:08:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABM6lBe005653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:07:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABM0oBW050034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABM0oRS070563; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABM0jLC070494 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L01Hw-00068n-2P for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:00:44 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:58:36 +1100 Message-ID: <52910980D6EC4C4D98A04EA574E8A650@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclD8fIwQEMrFF2bR5inPohv6QpdwAAPyo5gAAHVRiAAA+phYA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a4e94f9-0752-4c89-9133-48b7fad14204 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491A01F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 498 Lines: 32 It's still =A314.99 at Amazon.uk (=3DUS$23). My postage from UK to Australi= a was =A38, so I figure buying from Amazon UK would be $US30-35 (half price). = Glenda. = -----Original Message----- = Yesterday, Amazon.com stated that Patterns of Fashion 4 was $64.00 and there were none in stock. How did you get the $50 price? = Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 17:14:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABMEAp0003498 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:14:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABME0Qg027738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABMDmnV051012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABMDktI082549; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABMDgGH082388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:15:14 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:14:05 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping Thread-Index: AclD8fIwQEMrFF2bR5inPohv6QpdwAAPyo5gAAHVRiAAA+phYAAArRCC Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C3B@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01>, <52910980D6EC4C4D98A04EA574E8A650@DF3TNM1S> In-Reply-To: <52910980D6EC4C4D98A04EA574E8A650@DF3TNM1S> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d5712b1-94ff-43f5-a71b-e176fac153e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A03A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 973 Lines: 41 Just had mine billed from Amazon.uk to USA $35.62. Hooray! ________________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf O= f Glenda Robinson [glendaslists@exemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:58 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping It's still =A314.99 at Amazon.uk (=3DUS$23). My postage from UK to Australi= a was =A38, so I figure buying from Amazon UK would be $US30-35 (half price). Glenda. -----Original Message----- Yesterday, Amazon.com stated that Patterns of Fashion 4 was $64.00 and there were none in stock. How did you get the $50 price? Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 17:38:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABMce7m004314 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:38:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABMcXIV032755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABMETnU051051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABMETYp083204; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABMEPtX083134 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so145592fge.11 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:14:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xtyvgLhUt/5QqRWZbMZEkalUgG5f6hAOC5VwLWzE1GY=; b=Pf4KwzohaGjKHttuqVDRX7aaqUnFLiPKA4buY8oovGUgwfJaOcV7HqrPO6zmn5LBKZ TwdEU7Feul7/07s/SznwnvABwemhNQNBu09h06UgbEaFxVDn1uuhsqXKkm1ekU/n8tmO LjEKWMhNTySQq+vOWwgAnoCinnrSZ8SnGT1ds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ibQ+j4fbgralEfRVdUxjO1IlHiLFEpzNKHM1BJIe0lrbq/Y6+whHJ0bFB7PCeFp9AF D9KZqhG8IMU0JhT1MuQzjZGJGKqTBjBAzI8/A+QO6Dg0o/DBIQSf6JjPEhNECFikFBVa ZDYlNKrmNj5Lvd4/3WWtcMmJasVDLQ/UptDMQ= Received: by 10.187.248.10 with SMTP id a10mr3043499fas.91.1226441664666; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.191.1 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:14:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90811111414l4ee4605dt2e309e3364e11b5a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:14:24 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <52910980D6EC4C4D98A04EA574E8A650@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <402367C7AE604DD8A47C665BA89AC521@camelot01> <52910980D6EC4C4D98A04EA574E8A650@DF3TNM1S> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold book shipping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af5f21b3-316f-49fa-b18d-2c66bdeb95da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491A0969.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:38:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1876 Lines: 63 Well that is cheaper than booktopia.. my god they charge a fortune. [image: Patterns of Fashion No. 4 : The Cut and Construction of Linen Shirts, Smocks, Neck and Headwear, Accessories for Men and Women C. 1540 - 1660] Patterns of Fashion No. 4 : The Cut and Construction of Linen Shirts, Smocks, Neck and Headwear, Accessories for Men and Women C. 1540 - 1660 By: Janet Arnold Format: Paperback Retail Price: $85.00 Booktopia Price $76.50 Description: Janet Arnold was a historian of fashion, which combined her two greatest passions: the theatre and clothes. Her early...... ISBN-13: 9780333570821 ISBN: 0333570820 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Glenda Robinson < glendaslists@exemail.com.au> wrote: > It's still =A314.99 at Amazon.uk (=3DUS$23). My postage from UK to Austra= lia > was > =A38, so I figure buying from Amazon UK would be $US30-35 (half price). > > > > Glenda. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Yesterday, Amazon.com stated that Patterns of Fashion 4 was $64.00 and > there > > were none in stock. How did you get the $50 price? > > > > Diane > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 18:30:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABNUJO7005986 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:30:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABNUCE7031537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABNTN9d055827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNTKl6043395; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNTE5t043306 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail1.netspace.net.au (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6FE6AC83 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88136114219 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-80.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-80.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.80]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:12 +1100 Message-ID: <1226446152.491a15487b016@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:12 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <968757.53541.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <968757.53541.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5111442-c33d-4b19-bf46-93201ba30366 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491A1584.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:30:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1214 Lines: 30 Take it in! Take it in! Like mutts, old sewing machines should always be taken in! Your repairer may be able to replace those slipping gears or re-set them; in post middle 1960's Singers, the workings on the undersides are prone to wear or loose-fitting and can sometimes be fixed. I have jammed around with screwdrivers under a number of them over the years and had pretty good success. Also have a good look at the drop-in stitch disks if it is the type of machine with those, are they worn? -C. > I inherited my grandmother's Singer. I think it may have been purchased in > the late 60s or early 70s. I had it serviced and some new electrical cords > added but it never worked quite right. Anything more than the thinnest fabric > and the gears seemed to slip. Now that my not all that old Kenmore is giving > me fits I wonder if I should take the Singer in as well. I have the owners > manua, cams, and a bunch of feet. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 18:44:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABNiwDG006728 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABNipM4032566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABNiUaD056712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNiUjh054396; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNiRbg054304 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so62555eyi.23 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=t41NJUlO4rn2pUMoW2EK/vXFvE1J4l6DBhUMpxSab9Q=; b=tzoFJKF2dNHYpg54Hjj6DwMZxZ1yJffATS6160yCsILikmxRk4yxPqD9bajGhIllxg Vg0KS330lMlasqSzWoVKeebmq4B0uz9QA0AhI3C11jtl9pSDyFLCg1tGZI94qSI0j4Zr qUJ1th2WP4e6nBlGcEjUUhaNa9Y7uvP/beClM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BV9swMj9lUqeTD3SfX9agxuoYwsklupaXTQNoAjqzTJIpKd/2vHasQz61tT4hIW9qy E6ptAWkFi6KMUgvwGtXDXMU5W2//4hN2TiGId1fLgZs/FH80eBNu5lgwDTywM0zfHvcm xN8yX+mhLS1V2naEr/Ft629UPfwsRfv+DVsxw= Received: by 10.210.66.13 with SMTP id o13mr9106084eba.67.1226447066534; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.126.11 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:26 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 - supportasse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3903678c-1836-403d-a70f-c856f5718fa9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491A18F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:44:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 315 Lines: 9 I just finished making the 1590s copper wire supportasse as shown in the book. I'm the first one on my block to have one. Fun! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 18:52:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mABNqM6S006976 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mABNqHwi008196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:52:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mABNq0VS057129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNpxg9059354; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mABNpwIL059328 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so66480wah.15 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tqxny8fmAZTnkml5167lbWiesrYvFE/jwQF8Hov1nqQ=; b=SfHseOP036VeVUcsE/0I94442NqypIh7vW269obhPiTOu9DZRNS+rW1uMgeUSXwwCh h2svOmG+4NLI91S7V6XxHcMbXHD6ZGqP8JGFSxfaNDSraGfQ04Xf4f6aBZhfqPfJjOgi jb2EhWFj9eQzMHkKQJ9f4hfx6xDuCw7vJtHuQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YKSc44chYV2Z9VYYm1YhQV0qpm13DB2OM7w/C8raCCeheoEhubHRE0vhLrTX33V7Fe eah+qfNIIy3XWRlDljGRp5LhIqWL4p0Vz7PN4PDH2mQ45qy1IVjjbzEL/zny6s84+JXt Fn7f8Qo0dOdsEmUrEijhhzLGRilg09qz5F5IA= Received: by 10.114.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr5770548wau.147.1226447518113; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.12 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:57 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 - supportasse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4c2b7fa-c94f-4b4f-8e3d-812ad0f72c27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491A1AB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:52:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 586 Lines: 22 Pictures, missy! Pictures at once! MaggiRos On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Cin wrote: > I just finished making the 1590s copper wire supportasse as shown in > the book. I'm the first one on my block to have one. Fun! > --cin > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 20:31:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC1VmAU010792 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:31:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC1VgDY028271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC1V5wu062430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC1V3v6011663; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC1Uw9Y011622 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3F0581506 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fmgsPKqN49Ux for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-6.39.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.39.6]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABEC5812AA for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:55 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: <857719.67140.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Thread-Index: AclESRRCSUrgOgJsRZ+Zb/vvzU8HSgAHOOAA Message-Id: <20081112013055.CABEC5812AA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87764e4f-c898-4733-8919-bb7bb217bcd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A31FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY,URIBL_SBL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1259 Lines: 39 The trouble with that is that silk taffeta has water soluble sizing so it's not going to be as stiff after washing. Elizabeth ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 8:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta I haven't tried it, but I think this would be one of the safest silk fabrics to hand-wash. Julie Parker in her book All about silk says it could be hand-washed - and should be rolled in a towel to dry. The same with silk shantung. Interesting, she does not recommend this for douppioni. Probably because of the shrinkage - shantung and taffeta are more tightly woven, so they would not shrink that much. Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 22:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC3vk3V016250 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC3vcwl023020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC3vAEe070379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC3v7MA075494; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC3v5pR075480 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so105357ywe.71 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:57:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OQCw6k014Pd+k63ShbbXBbLuUWz6A2XlrSEifts+4Lc=; b=HdtqlzYQ9LIvp8qq2gczU09y/xixzJQqMBAIm8HqFUeJrYM4kaDB2n9llRG2XP+8bz lnlEqCyP2j2Dex0F1tNS8Sqr7stWxDKnTrHZx/Wdr17RLaUL4m0RlSn/NGSTBqcMMntF GvJ4xzINoV4yXT3zyig8HotC1LnRSfNW9+bmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=c8g90asICB1Ag0GGroMJU3ukNLhMuUCFLNXCs2pfhqQ0f8Xv2/y2Cz5ZAG8tBFZMxf nriIUHEDSoEdGrcvKtiDNROTwPqTTvXynJaZygoJ1I7dFYse/cT9UgO1vX21Mda63ARt A1HLULSpMxNSbBFtv/HMkrHc4/SlJtFD2VkYY= Received: by 10.151.103.11 with SMTP id f11mr1386160ybm.10.1226462225187; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey (modemcable172.32-81-70.mc.videotron.ca [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm10397661rne.13.2008.11.11.19.57.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:57:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20081112013055.CABEC5812AA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de70fca7-8660-4507-9daa-5d427eab3854 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A5432.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 542 Lines: 13 > The trouble with that is that silk taffeta has water soluble sizing so > it's > not going to be as stiff after washing. Well, yes, all silk (except maybe noil) does, to a certain extent. It might, or might not, be a problem. Thing is, you won't know until you try it with your particular piece of fabric. Also, to give it back some of its crispiness, add some vinegar to the rinse water. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 23:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC44lHb016451 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:04:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC44gYu026301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC44VoZ070757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC44Vsv078936; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC44SLA078909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.210] (dial-209-148-101-210.sonic.net [209.148.101.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAC44QNW016677 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:04:27 -0800 Message-ID: <491A55CE.2080009@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:04:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e38e647-2f1d-4dce-b9a8-c6fbdb7c9295 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A55DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:04:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 352 Lines: 12 I'm getting kind of desperate for a 2009 historic or vintage costume-related wall calendar. Any recommendations? Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing and needlework! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 23:19:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC4JDQt016726 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC4J89H032521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC4ImrS071400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC4Imda085297; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC4IiQM085217 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 8697558-1872270 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:18:39 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <491A55CE.2080009@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:18:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <491A55CE.2080009@lavoltapress.com> Thread-Index: AclEe8j175sS7+YlRamhDSaLlcNoTQAAQDZg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 184, in=79, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: afd0deee-3da7-4895-bb07-cd628b50cb67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A593C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 976 Lines: 39 Fran-- Check out this place: http://www.calendars.com/index.asp?CE=1 I like these: Dressing the Light 2009 Wall Calendar The Little Black Dress 2009 Wall Calendar If you put FASHION in the search box, you'll get lots of possibilities. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:05 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need costume calendar I'm getting kind of desperate for a 2009 historic or vintage costume-related wall calendar. Any recommendations? Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing and needlework! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 11 23:58:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC4ws1R017627 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:58:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC4wma2014708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:58:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC4wWAB073096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC4wUXP001220; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:58:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAC4wRu4001149 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16712 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 04:58:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mVRoUqy3/oLpYW5MG6U2K82GrE71c6q5cvN+QnpnvZ5v6xvdNvXqanpui0oIx8SZlcdnq/jG45OJKIiRI8XCDp7vMBJj/TQKHFdcwQBUBtlZz7PMBCIOnL6PZfnh0SZb5ttkjour1lYCp/m5HNucq3vm6D5USZ/4+xo53YCnrVM=; X-YMail-OSG: 3qlnFF4VM1lwvKxieAFnj32HcxcSzecCcKdhJdrckrtbb9o7W5dLaTx.4tCXYVL6LwdDqheQIUCw86szVzxkQxPnCsVhJiVZjmrBqPlkpZHfN0X9PzwW_E_RJwmu.1F.R6C5iH0AsAHY8Z_sm7Dy8zyqGBBFEC95e7FYKjs5vPbAinQjvs41x2.wx4gw Received: from [69.106.188.128] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:58:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <111120081941.22551.4919DFE6000632B10000581722058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757114.15860.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b74eee9c-5bd7-4243-ad57-4d26d44a2c27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491A6288.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:58:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1457 Lines: 28 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > Can anyone tell me what happens to silk taffeta when it is > washed in soap and water? > but I would be grateful for information > on what to expect if anyone has experince to share. Does it > lose all crispness? > > Thanks! > Lauren Hi Lauren, I have washed silk taffeta for my Tudor kirtle, and it stinks from the heavy chemicals that make it smooth. The smell went away once it dried. It now has wrinkles with little fine wrinkles that in my outfit has never smoothed out perfectly, even with my new tank Rowenta steam iron. But the kirtle is now washable, and water spots don't stay now (important for me when I end up eating in public repasts). It is a little softer, has that mini-wrinkled look, and didn't shrink all that much. I can now machine wash the kirtle I made with it, but it does make me think twice about buying taffeta, since that smell was strong and the wrinkles are a little annoying. BTW, not all silk taffeta does the mini-wrinkle thing. One of my other taffetas did not do that on the small test swatch, and was not as stinky, but I haven't washed up the whole fabric yet. I am still debating what to do with it, since the fabric was bought for an Elizabethan tall hat. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 00:21:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAC5LWeg018188 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:21:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAC5LR4d008842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAC5L2V6074909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAC5L212013310; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAC5KxvA013229 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:21:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52440 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 05:20:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Dt4jyF+hX5xxLUhR9xv6iBXUVfrW11t584rT2fJ+K/GUPUzFhAzanV4kLDPqc5piaZYxxlT9yFA6H3VSkZNnqTErfhd73Ox7llvW3zQalaPWeaHPEySQnTnrmkqA23kA2drNiywwQq3zTQC0KImibx7HtGc8Adbu5y9eKdCZyG4=; X-YMail-OSG: qjQYxl4VM1ljK.FC0V1u.UxN4tTqGUzuHg7uKNGpkWcss3wKNyMmS.hlNuip5kHLQpdFDfT1WBp61jQVdYGTKMkXPjMp1M6O9k_58rqTCdSEeBZQQzlnXhbL.ky0bbIcZ4UOK7Ue_8cBmMplHlvMD0ha49sYbDHMoQWDxR8BC0VpoGVzfep9CqVNUrh7 Received: from [69.106.188.128] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <111120081941.22551.4919DFE6000632B10000581722058891169D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <63634.51477.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] washing silk crepe (was Washing silk taffeta) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19af61ad-09ef-46ba-a834-5558a106d899 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491A67D7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:21:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 513 Lines: 23 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > and of course I wash silk crepe blouses all the time. Hi again Lauren, Does silk crepe shrink or get thicker much? I am pondering buying some and dyeing it, but I don't want to use it if it is going to really shrink a lot, like wool crepe does. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 09:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mACEBFFc031582 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:11:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mACEB9bn008926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:11:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mACEAn8L099841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACEAjvI031364; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACEAgH4031301 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:09 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id mACEA9U54438 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 12 Nov 2008 08:10:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:09 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:01 -0600 Message-ID: <491A8F59.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Another source for PoF4 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 754d3f5f-0234-4e44-9d8d-ca65b99f299f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491AE3FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 439 Lines: 11 The Plimoth Plantation is offering the book for sale through their online shop. Price is 49.95 plus 8.95 shipping. I do not know if/how many they have on hand right now however. Catherine who had this on her Christmas list and is about to decide Christmas is coming waaaay early this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 09:14:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mACEE003031734 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mACEDtiq010533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mACEDbUI099966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACEDbBj032792; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp18.kp.org [162.119.133.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACEDYC9032769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id mACEDX8v026474 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:13:33 -0800 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:13:31 -0800 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:13:24 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 11/12/2008 06:13:31 AM, Serialize complete at 11/12/2008 06:13:31 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-11-12 - 06:13:33 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5afab5b8-5e70-4a9e-a3b1-f1bf6235315c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491AE4A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:13:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1130 Lines: 28 > Can anyone tell me what happens to silk taffeta when it is washed in soap and water? > I have machine washed and dried a lot of silk dupioni, and am very pleased with the > fabric that results (it shrinks a lot, but the resulting fabric is thus denser and > more closely-woven; the colors and shine don't seem to be hurt by the process, but > it is softer) and of course I wash silk crepe blouses all the time. And I will > probably just run the experiment on some taffeta to find out for myself; but I would > be grateful for information on what to expect if anyone has experience to share. > Does it lose all crispness? I kick myself every time I forget and wash silk taffeta by machine - it looses quite a bit of the crispness (though not all) and a fair amount of the sheen. It doesn't completely change the character of the fabric, but it's just not as pretty as before I washed it (imo). I haven't noticed any shrinkage, however. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 12:30:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mACHUClu012563 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mACHU6iI029346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mACHTYrN015454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACHTVK5090953; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACHTTUW090927 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so252028wah.15 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i2INUmjIEcaWH+O8NokeC+PeoO0ZS9ISspLk8bKMDVU=; b=H4f9H6srO9B5QuZnR9pFhEbKNnSvd5GYf6O2dzxYM4SQd/dvzUl1hbPySFLqwWusOd Zn+ehDJ6503pHMxKBDLmNY3xWtuTHB8Y288hM/VSmRLBH7cgmcl6DSHEFJiuwVobhYYw gezmrt7LfwUpH/7oMSZPzfDrk143iaLVS9vlc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=x9WaTfzIyCxNTMQ52Pzk5ooeqPbMGiO6UbE+pGUBDpMVwuoouwh1KY3YX8FtLRr8eU zjJqeCJtx2XaJN6ublphLo+/sENQCqjlLxi+ySPLsQTFXFHp6mRsa6C5uSpbl8X3DgOc +5yo2QTjjy5WajBg9ffybzSX7Cy+eoz9jQXWU= Received: by 10.114.131.9 with SMTP id e9mr6251643wad.0.1226510969107; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.12 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:29:29 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <491A55CE.2080009@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fef302bc-4bb5-4593-a2d2-f2c13a72100d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491B129E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:30:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 957 Lines: 35 Thank you! I found a lovely renaissance calendar, and they had others specifically of Vermeer, Boticelli, and other artists in my area of interest. Just what I've been looking for. Pomegranite Press had the perfect one last year but nothing at all this time. Thanks for the link! MaggiRos On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Kim Baird wrote: > > Fran-- > > Check out this place: > http://www.calendars.com/index.asp?CE=1 > > I like these: > > Dressing the Light 2009 Wall Calendar > The Little Black Dress 2009 Wall Calendar > > If you put FASHION in the search box, you'll get lots of possibilities. > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 12:57:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mACHvZWJ014312 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:57:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mACHvPMq028378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mACHvA0s017392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACHvA3A014039; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mACHv62f013910 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eG4T1a0050vp7WLA3Hx1st; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:57:01 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eHx01a0063q7v908RHx0ll; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:57:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tUIbwwrVw9kA:10 a=DufLruAlup8A:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=EonlIHHJ-KaiEHS64FMA:9 a=2dNBd70IJxvcijrv3bgA:7 a=NS32auP9RW-VyoVb0lKBfiKeXLcA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=E1DZytK6yQG8tSvjiqMA:7 a=ryj_5y_JjmVWAeyc0WPGzhL4R7QA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:57:00 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:57:00 +0000 Message-Id: <111220081757.16211.491B18EC0002BA1F00003F5322007510909D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] washing silk crepe (was Washing silk taffeta) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9337e6d-b82e-44d1-9a81-a559d35d8df7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491B1905.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1290 Lines: 40 Hi, I find that silk crepes vary more than wools, and so it bears repeating that one should always test a sample to be sure. BUT, that said, I have a bunch of purchased blouses (!) made of silk crepe, and if I hand wash them in cold and hang to dry, they come out about the same size they went in. The one caveat with a really crinkly crepe is you will have to iron it (very damp) to get it to resume its original size; the crepe weave likes to crinkle up on itself. I hope this was useful. Thanks! Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kimiko Small > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, lauren.walker@comcast.net > wrote: > > > and of course I wash silk crepe blouses all the time. > > > Hi again Lauren, > > Does silk crepe shrink or get thicker much? I am pondering buying some and > dyeing it, but I don't want to use it if it is going to really shrink a lot, > like wool crepe does. > > Thank you, > > Kimiko > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 19:41:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAD0fcvf015923 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:41:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAD0fU8G005006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:41:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAD0fCEd042019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD0f8gp034530; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD0f6m8034508 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:41:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scarrollclark@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so299762and.26 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:41:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3PS3kykZnkZRi+9sjasZzIUv16fmrdlQHqfRINQF0DY=; b=i0h34Zc2jCzp8phwsu5UjTnixMQHSyGkg2PMgIh1oPi0IAlz9CXwdyU+MRP8KoOe0/ o9wPbNdSc+j2HjNqPTkxYVpTE6ucRQSc1BhFjQNEFzP11jK888ygyFmr13zCJrLZd1UN vnlWRKrwvwaaOZs5PiL+iStnBAmq+usSH7rE8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p+JXEKs976tfQx5vLCOCVAT1Tfd4vY/be4GiqFn0hOQilNDyEhEIk/HJQVnEAT9DVG ptpCgHLUD4xX0TYavTU6Aq/yGQeDfMjvV0Mnf/apUnAE3r475SW7RdFNT9BHo1AuEowF 4H8bxMUmth/muc6vay3/IQycH1bDyACqb5W5I= Received: by 10.64.204.13 with SMTP id b13mr9363493qbg.15.1226536865987; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? (CPE001ee5489d17-CM001a666bbb7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.242.211.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm17252917qba.4.2008.11.12.16.41.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:41:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491B779F.8090405@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:41:03 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <491A55CE.2080009@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94853dcd-4b55-42cf-9f6f-e190acbe867e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491B77BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:41:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=MARKETING_PARTNERS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1168 Lines: 41 Thank you as well. They've got a Canadian partner site that has the Frank Lloyd Wright calendar I've been looking for. Some of the US sites will only ship to Canada via UPS, who charge exorbitant fees for customs brokerage/clearance (not to mention just the shipping costs). Gets sort of silly for just a calendar... Susan Maggie wrote: > Thank you! I found a lovely renaissance calendar, and they had others > specifically of Vermeer, Boticelli, and other artists in my area of > interest. Just what I've been looking for. Pomegranite Press had the > perfect one last year but nothing at all this time. Thanks for the link! > > MaggiRos > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Kim Baird wrote: > > >> Fran-- >> >> Check out this place: >> http://www.calendars.com/index.asp?CE=1 >> >> I like these: >> >> Dressing the Light 2009 Wall Calendar >> The Little Black Dress 2009 Wall Calendar >> >> If you put FASHION in the search box, you'll get lots of possibilities. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 12 20:39:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAD1dI9s020464 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAD1dCPc014055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAD1ceeR044648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD1ceLw063945; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD1cbUs063881 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cd2.437adfea (32915) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:38:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:38:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4cb5c4f-c792-496b-bfae-bc9ed46581f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491B8540.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 669 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:41:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scarrollclark@gmail.com writes: http://www.calendars.com/index.asp?CE=1 *********** Wow! Look at all the calendars with images by Paul Klee! One of my fave artists. Not costume but not that common either. Beautiful! **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:52:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1389 Lines: 39 You inspired me to look up pretty callendars but as I didn't want to pay international shipping (plus I'd like one that included local public holidays) so I did a Google search and found they have a nearly identical Australian website http://www.calendars.com.au/index.asp which means no nasty exchange rates or international shipping. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 12:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:41:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scarrollclark@gmail.com writes: http://www.calendars.com/index.asp?CE=1 *********** Wow! Look at all the calendars with images by Paul Klee! One of my fave artists. Not costume but not that common either. Beautiful! **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 01:38:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAD6cOFV011641 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:38:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAD6ax99014584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAD6aJEn056747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD6aHTa091614; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:36:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAD6aE5o091558 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eWc91a00K0ldTLk51Wc9rr; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:36:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.138] ([24.61.47.3]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eWc81a005047Ly03QWc9vL; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:36:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=E-yk9_0rYzFpb78ZEYkA:9 a=zxgMSCH0-2ybs9VHe4M5hqb9ijgA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 In-Reply-To: References: <20081112013055.CABEC5812AA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <29C12481-EE18-4F90-957B-0F0C6FEAB629@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:36:11 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e43be62f-185e-4c17-9f14-442529677799 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491BCB0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:37:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1027 Lines: 30 An question: what is it about the vinegar rinse that restores crispness? Is it just the base neutralizing the soap residue, or something more interesting? Geekly, Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> The trouble with that is that silk taffeta has water soluble >> sizing so it's >> not going to be as stiff after washing. > > Well, yes, all silk (except maybe noil) does, to a certain extent. > It might, or might not, be a problem. Thing is, you won't know > until you try it with your particular piece of fabric. Also, to > give it back some of its crispiness, add some vinegar to the rinse > water. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 12:04:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADH40s6001907 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:04:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADH3spf017779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADH3IZ1082278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADH3B8s097869; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADH37hH097702 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081113170301.HSRV4904.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:03:01 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081113170301.ETNY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:03:01 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:02:54 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081113170301.ETNY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=V7hQxyYs+RN6B+8Txk+otA==:17 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=McZXAva0AAAA:8 a=vJmOvGMP99AfhWiSI4gA:9 a=8djhwhhofxHqd4hGbvoA:7 a=GR9SNzyQp-T7teB6v3TOKe5l9dsA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b6983c0-1df1-47a6-b3d6-c76afaaab47f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491C5DFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1494 Lines: 57 Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.= jpg http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.= jpg Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the = minimal headcovering (a ribbon?). On the page 93 = detail, note the fur lined cloak and what appears = to be buttons down the front bodice (buttons are = shown along the sleeves of the GFD underneath in = both images). Some form of closure would be = required on both, given the high neckline. In = both surcotes are what appear to be slits for = hands and a full gore set into the front. These are image details of the troubadour Castelloza extracted from Lema=EEtre, Jean-Loup ; Francoise Vielliard . = Portraits de troubadours: initiales des = chansonniers provencaux I & K (Paris, BNF, ms. = Fr. 854 et 12473). Ussel: Musee du pays d'Ussel, = 2006. ISBN:2903920354 9782903920357 OCLC:68706473 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68706473 There are 170 illuminated capitals containing = portraits of troubadours. These are reproduced as = full page illustrations from two manuscripts = (probably both produced in Venice at the end of = the 13thC). Most of these are of male = troubadours, but there are a few other females as well. Beth Matney = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 12:54:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADHsNuo004143 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:54:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADHsH4T019359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:54:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADHrn2v086365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADHrmAl046012; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADHrixK045861 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ehGY1a01n0QuhwU51hte13; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:38 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ehtd1a00m2QhYrQ3NhteZm; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KUpIeUB4NaYA:10 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=3t8uD7i9vcyT2X30vzQA:9 a=e1Qia71Jr-WvL9EV9zAA:7 a=VdnYirIfbr45mtVVPYt2T3bpqWsA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 a=Uh2kV96nQnQgQJdSqkkA:7 a=lRiYsl5tHKtolSVRwblXMk5tzyUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:37 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:37 +0000 Message-Id: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7408d272-4b54-4e63-a813-a499f528e65f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491C69C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 713 Lines: 19 Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls? Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: > > http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg > > http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg > > Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the > minimal headcovering (a ribbon?). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 13:29:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADITrt6005498 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:29:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADITjBb020206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:29:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADITOjp089565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADITMAB079570; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADITKQt079536 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so463043yxb.71 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/PltDUvTBcm8RXTNYdSoc2OCExKpV7E4J2yFQvntWW8=; b=PHARjFe/xoJQ5LoUNVKXmhyuxMCDJ4WCwGyn1hmGwybF5yOJ2zsVnwDMwxjmt+wzmf i3nQRcu6CyQH6PrHKFD3ub25JzE3+iabBfG9mHjtPD3kl0s4yLHKWaLtLxeExuzJPlHf vePj3IfGgN9z1Z0hW/wriqpWcEqJPR6gv+sqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XCdMxHYDBThpZYAYsXdhYRh2h8lwyQeux1mayWQ/R1Uq986vDVFK4bMY3tbdZr2G62 7pbTgIktYW83GKyLnS00pOZpEg1znvoAckFBoLQEMDB6fqWUPcnBFtBYFtpTbSWCGjFj P0rLDyikwzsGB1pW0ruNhbNSKbGOpfw9MLVy8= Received: by 10.100.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr17793anc.123.1226600960417; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.171.9 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0811131029u5dd62c99k7ef1b182b16c992b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:29:20 -0500 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <29C12481-EE18-4F90-957B-0F0C6FEAB629@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081112013055.CABEC5812AA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> <29C12481-EE18-4F90-957B-0F0C6FEAB629@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f4428de-0960-4ca0-aa19-490988f6b6bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491C7219.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:29:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 905 Lines: 17 > An question: what is it about the vinegar rinse that restores crispness? Is > it just the base neutralizing the soap residue, or something more > interesting? The exact opposite. Soaps, detergents, and other things of the kind, are almost always basic, except for some very specific products made for specific purposes (washing sheep, for example). The problem with bases is that they attack animal fibers (dissolve them, in fact - which is why wool and silk - as well as human skin and hair - dissolve in bleach). Of course, soaps and detergents are far from being as basic as bleach, so the damage is minor. Silk, being an animal "fiber", is attacked by the high (basic) pH. Lowering (acidifying) the pH, neutralizes this undesirable effect, so to speak. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 13:32:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADIWCLM005574 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:32:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADIW6IO010887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADIVl7q089706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIVlRP081704; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIVjXH081670 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so1388898ugf.32 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:31:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JZKjMW6SpN/QVX1oeRVcLFRga6YuX+w4jDxI00SXe54=; b=NQyW05tA5yfH6E1byxjL8AFV2YLRw6TVDy6PEp3cnW/GHLEGKXEWNrEIQJakkLSSSw Hg655ZSbAZj+8zVJ1f6Z/GQgPhtaD8im5IjQppK8pMcpcmGVrnOLd8jlYOvnbtE7tjfO wNV8J8rV72zWjweaZw9fY3ubZcDSqNZtFv+TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=scbs/bgEDU/xbla/cfeq48VcWkYZqTLrgNGUAV08yIIGO0Ria9WT/AhEIDm8oyS7CP u2wGa0XQcNSVB3GsLLBDNuqfBu82ow9DiW0Gw9UXuQ2tfdD7g2AC4vntQjf979l/lKA6 TBFWJGkzgEC+UP9ngw5aM9dTDhh0oZueA/ca0= Received: by 10.210.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr65336eba.25.1226601104318; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5aca7f89.bb.sky.com [90.202.127.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm12533157gvc.0.2008.11.13.10.31.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:31:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491C728A.7050300@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38 +0000 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080914 Thunderbird/2.0.0.17 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45997551-5778-4eb7-b479-12f0dcdc5da6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491C72A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:32:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1190 Lines: 35 Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have thought she would have worn? Jean lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls? > Lauren > lauren.walker@comcast.net > http://www.timetraveltextiles.com > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Beth and Bob Matney > > >> Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: >> >> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg >> >> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg >> >> Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the >> minimal headcovering (a ribbon?). >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 13:46:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADIkttF006224 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADIkmnO011142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:46:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADIW1Ct089737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIW08I081894; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIVu53081753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:33:30 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:33:13 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta Thread-Index: AclFvgjMgoJTijl3Rum4E81bBqTTswAACHBw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B11FEB1@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <20081112013055.CABEC5812AA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> <29C12481-EE18-4F90-957B-0F0C6FEAB629@comcast.net> <16a2233a0811131029u5dd62c99k7ef1b182b16c992b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0811131029u5dd62c99k7ef1b182b16c992b@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2c56b91-26ac-445a-943f-b84907cc2b51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C7618.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:46:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1362 Lines: 29 Sounds like she just wrote base when she meant acid (in the vinegar) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta > An question: what is it about the vinegar rinse that restores crispness? Is > it just the base neutralizing the soap residue, or something more > interesting? The exact opposite. Soaps, detergents, and other things of the kind, are almost always basic, except for some very specific products made for specific purposes (washing sheep, for example). The problem with bases is that they attack animal fibers (dissolve them, in fact - which is why wool and silk - as well as human skin and hair - dissolve in bleach). Of course, soaps and detergents are far from being as basic as bleach, so the damage is minor. Silk, being an animal "fiber", is attacked by the high (basic) pH. Lowering (acidifying) the pH, neutralizes this undesirable effect, so to speak. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 13:57:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADIvBnM006578 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:57:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADIv4PC006258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADIuo9k091932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIuomf004294; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADIugrB004082 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eh8i1a00J0xGWP856ivr7d; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:55:51 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.197.128]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eiwc1a00N2mhybw3Yiwc1M; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:56:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=APeKbGegZpkFou7xmOwA:9 a=PnhaeKFTVzXk9zhxEecA:7 a=LIZLOckqMyU2azGKFSXjEAWOMekA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=lB0GRapposaeW1ZNRLoA:7 a=8YTbfA-W-iTOZW3vUkQUH60UJKIA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter18.comcast.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:56:36 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:56:36 +0000 Message-Id: <111320081856.1611.491C7863000F05CE0000064B22070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6b6fc35-e9be-44a5-9aff-722a1b482116 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491C7880.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:57:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2004 Lines: 44 Hi, Patty, Thanks for having faith in me! I did mis-speak -- I meant to call vinegar an acid and soap a base. Audrey-- thank you for the explanation. I didn't think of soaps "attacking" animal fibers, but that makes sense. Thanks again to you both! Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rickard, Patty" > Sounds like she just wrote base when she meant acid (in the vinegar) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf > Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:29 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta > > > An question: what is it about the vinegar rinse that restores crispness? Is > > it just the base neutralizing the soap residue, or something more > > interesting? > > The exact opposite. Soaps, detergents, and other things of the kind, > are almost always basic, except for some very specific products made > for specific purposes (washing sheep, for example). The problem with > bases is that they attack animal fibers (dissolve them, in fact - > which is why wool and silk - as well as human skin and hair - dissolve > in bleach). Of course, soaps and detergents are far from being as > basic as bleach, so the damage is minor. Silk, being an animal > "fiber", is attacked by the high (basic) pH. Lowering (acidifying) the > pH, neutralizes this undesirable effect, so to speak. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 14:01:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADJ19P6006737 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:01:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADJ13YX021232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADJ0bgd092325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJ0bBe007869; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJ0DM3007430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:01:47 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:01:27 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta Thread-Index: AclFwdlISN+Kuaq3T/KSNLF99x5U4QAACeKw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B11FEE2@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <111320081856.1611.491C7863000F05CE0000064B22070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <111320081856.1611.491C7863000F05CE0000064B22070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5cf2acc-b428-430d-853f-ed60085c880a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C796F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 560 Lines: 16 Having often been amazed at the things that come out of my keyboard unbidden, I understood right away. P. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of lauren.walker@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing silk taffeta Hi, Patty, Thanks for having faith in me! I did mis-speak -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 14:09:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADJ90SC006982 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:09:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADJ8tDA026466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:08:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADJ3Ukc092699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJ3UPP010369; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (magilla.itasca.net [12.157.198.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJ3Rou010318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.69 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1L0hTX-000100-SY for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:03:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:03:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@magilla.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <491C728A.7050300@googlemail.com> Message-ID: References: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> <491C728A.7050300@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d403fc5c-abee-462a-b54a-9705235fac6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C7B47.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:08:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1706 Lines: 38 Unmarried maidens in the Maciejowski Bible wear fillets and their hair down--I can't at the moment bring any other examples to mind without the library being to hand, though. I *would*, however, like to see more manuscripts from the same time and similar places to compare before I feel comfortable declaring this an actual historical representation of a garment. Otherwise, the only assumption we can make is that this garment is what the illuminator(s) of this particular manuscript thought that Castelloza would have worn. And we won't even go into the Spanish weirdness, which is an entire 'nother topic all on its own. :-) Jen On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Anne wrote: > Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, of > Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional thing > for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have thought she > would have worn? > > Jean > > lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: >> Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls? Lauren >> lauren.walker@comcast.net >> http://www.timetraveltextiles.com >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney >> >> >>> Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: >>> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg >>> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg >>> Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the minimal headcovering (a >>> ribbon?). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 14:19:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADJJFdJ007290 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:19:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADJJA3w000989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADJIMeX093713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJIMo0023424; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJIIvM023295 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081113191812.NAAX4904.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:18:12 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081113191812.ENKH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:18:12 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:18:06 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081113191812.ENKH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KUpIeUB4NaYA:10 a=V7hQxyYs+RN6B+8Txk+otA==:17 a=OVTOJVUDFaXF0tKeA3oA:9 a=URvaltEQdY-bbfcFp35Dd2tGVk4A:4 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0e97567-e119-4f22-b65c-aa6c92966c44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C7DAE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:19:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 750 Lines: 21 It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation in headgear in the men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show an "unconventional" lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C? Beth >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38 +0000 >From: Anne > >Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, >of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional >thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have >thought she would have worn? > >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 14:20:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADJKpGq007402 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:20:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADJKfXD002105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:20:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADJKSXq093840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJKSJf025872; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADJKQHt025849 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so523372wah.15 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uBWrmQwdLHqbDmT0feCscfar0MRc2lpm380BdsXHv08=; b=SjXEF7oPcfpKDU8R52zcWV9JxXwPFEqIJaIPBIVthEgPxOwoSmXBhTw2vkJotCp/pj Ez7rLBJ4qXJ9g3kwSDjgGFlAgCNGukb2VxMASFvyhbuKpN2YL0/cRucbrs4XqIvhmgsS UDQFEa7b0BWHf1GmCdmAX/xwq85K5XVgYF80E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rLlsu14knDpIDevvyimSlwqWeQz+7XvK9dvl6cpFzsnrsA1bO259FuACjJmcgwwA83 vWbPUOdNs0FvcqZrGZbMKiBtZlTBQZDLk7DvoQ2KrxM93+Lh+d52qRTmZb/zIPWNB6vm 2cSEjx2Cf+cK8VKrvos9SlxPrNO2sSC3SmhXM= Received: by 10.115.48.12 with SMTP id a12mr37553wak.140.1226604026172; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081113191812.ENKH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081113191812.ENKH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0a8789e-8fc9-4b2c-8b01-b36e64d5bb56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C7E09.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:20:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 41 I was just thinking that very thing. Sort of romanticizing this apparently "Bohemian" (in the hippy sense) woman. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts > (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation in headgear in the > men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show an "unconventional" > lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C? > > Beth > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38 +0000 >> From: Anne >> >> Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, >> of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional >> thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have >> thought she would have worn? >> >> Jean >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 16:08:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADL8J7q011372 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:08:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADL8CF8022680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADL7mjq001767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADL7jQe016106; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:07:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADL7f9E015963 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ebqh1a0091GXsucA2l7cFn; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:07:36 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id el7c1a0042RzDBg8Tl7caQ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:07:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KUpIeUB4NaYA:10 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=UgyPqePxAAAA:8 a=DGwHKMDP-apQPTU0LfQA:9 a=x_R1bIyLuHH0hC-tlfMA:7 a=cM00QPei1R_rdsDreXT9eyH5oB4A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LQmMChVNH1QA:10 a=AqdrSjuqjdXo-n3PMgYA:9 a=9x1y1aq79AdTKbLMicsA:7 a=b-H8NElG9hS-W9FY0zd3TtN1IZsA:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:07:35 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:07:35 +0000 Message-Id: <111320082107.17982.491C9717000998F90000463E22007507449D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ace84c0-8fc9-4e58-ad2a-4f78b0e8c14f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491C973C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1904 Lines: 54 Uh-oh. Whenever I let slip that I think anything might be evidence of the existence of unconventional persons in any time period before the 19th century, I know that shortly I will get shot down for it. You guys better duck! ;-) Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: Maggie > I was just thinking that very thing. Sort of romanticizing this apparently > "Bohemian" (in the hippy sense) woman. > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts > > (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation in headgear in the > > men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show an "unconventional" > > lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C? > > > > Beth > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38 +0000 > >> From: Anne > >> > >> Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, > >> of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional > >> thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have > >> thought she would have worn? > >> > >> Jean > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Maggie Secara > ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 > ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 > Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your > favorite online bookseller > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 16:19:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADLJKOi011842 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADLJF0R011069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADLJ2H7002614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADLJ2I5025603; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADLIvsL025495 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id elGE1a00117dt5G57lHnbH; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:18:09 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id elJT1a00k2ioxb83ZlJUkn; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:18:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NTQA0fb2rqtkdaqgT4IA:9 a=-W_5lLYA5RoM7VsXUn0wpUur7zYA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 a=l_4825bpcRQVbLVkbywA:9 a=fGxMUeKsQ0gZQjrNw_D89HPWry8A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:18:27 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:18:27 +0000 Message-Id: <111320082118.12281.491C99A30008192900002FF922058861729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcec2891-b6dc-4f94-b349-5657f77c9539 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C99D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:19:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1214 Lines: 12 Hi, Making historical costumes fitted to myself and others has made me so much more critical of the ways modern commercial clothes make me look even worse than I have to! I gained a bunch of weight over the past couple of years that I'm having trouble getting rid of, and yet I still have to get dressed every day and leave the house. Sigh. The particular problem I am having with modern clothes is that things that are big enough to go around my current girth are cut too long from waist to hip. This gives some skirts and dresses a pot belly all on their own, independent of mine. Is there any relatively simple alteration to the clothes that would fix this, while I am working on the alterations to my shape? I know I could take the waistbands off skirts and shorten the length from waist to hip, so the skirt gets big where I do; one-piece dresses seem to present a harder puzzle. In fact I'm a little confused about how they manage to produce the paunch when they're not actually tight anywhere. Any suggestions? Thank you. Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 16:44:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADLiiiL012588 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:44:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADLidOx026150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:44:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADLiJ0e004216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADLiIYa045705; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from s5.cableone.net (s5.cableone.net [24.116.0.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADLiFgR045581 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by s5.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s5) with ESMTP id 10098948-1872270 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:44:10 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <111320082118.12281.491C99A30008192900002FF922058861729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:43:45 -0600 Message-ID: <378EE4E36FFD4353A6113D9A0C65859A@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <111320082118.12281.491C99A30008192900002FF922058861729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclF1Yd56p1dFcztRt6cn6LCTCp3owAA1Kcg X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 217, in=110, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01e7764b-12f9-4bb9-89e1-366793dc6a85 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491C9FC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:44:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1691 Lines: 42 You might look for petite sizes. They are made for persons with shorter torsos. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of lauren.walker@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question Hi, Making historical costumes fitted to myself and others has made me so much more critical of the ways modern commercial clothes make me look even worse than I have to! I gained a bunch of weight over the past couple of years that I'm having trouble getting rid of, and yet I still have to get dressed every day and leave the house. Sigh. The particular problem I am having with modern clothes is that things that are big enough to go around my current girth are cut too long from waist to hip. This gives some skirts and dresses a pot belly all on their own, independent of mine. Is there any relatively simple alteration to the clothes that would fix this, while I am working on the alterations to my shape? I know I could take the waistbands off skirts and shorten the length from waist to hip, so the skirt gets big where I do; one-piece dresses seem to present a harder puzzle. In fact I'm a little confused about how they manage to produce the paunch when they're not actually tight anywhere. Any suggestions? Thank you. Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 17:53:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADMrhDf014962 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADMrbU8004761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADMr556008906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADMr3qg002256; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADMqvqj002028 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:53:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ehkj1a00416AWCUA2mssmY; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:52 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.197.116]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id emss1a0082X9uYk8SmssNE; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:52 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=F0H0IRWxY7wPxhFz_OEA:9 a=SNHIWAy8ZZHTglcAOzoA:7 a=hRpUNoAkLZo8gQrjoCVcdsTiEHYA:4 a=3rcunIF0aIMA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 a=N1q-fQk6XRv7XI7eJ9wA:9 a=Gto2lOTZAAw5MzX-gbMA:7 a=0JRdxZnC0ydrZ6VqBD1crpnRp4gA:4 a=HWLZBm_kTXgA:10 a=DDsM6xKs8TAA:10 a=pX3v9Re9Mi0A:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter06.comcast.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:52 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:52 +0000 Message-Id: <111320082252.6867.491CAFC3000E151200001AD322007348309D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c40bee72-e40e-4a61-aff7-18614e18bb3b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491CAFF1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2226 Lines: 53 Yeah, thank you. The petites are usually too short above the waist or too stingy in the bust. That's why I was hoping to be able to alter regular items instead. Thanks again. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kim Baird" > You might look for petite sizes. They are made for persons with shorter > torsos. > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of lauren.walker@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question > > > Hi, > Making historical costumes fitted to myself and others has made me so much > more critical of the ways modern commercial clothes make me look even worse > than I have to! I gained a bunch of weight over the past couple of years > that I'm having trouble getting rid of, and yet I still have to get dressed > every day and leave the house. Sigh. > The particular problem I am having with modern clothes is that things that > are big enough to go around my current girth are cut too long from waist to > hip. This gives some skirts and dresses a pot belly all on their own, > independent of mine. Is there any relatively simple alteration to the > clothes that would fix this, while I am working on the alterations to my > shape? I know I could take the waistbands off skirts and shorten the length > from waist to hip, so the skirt gets big where I do; one-piece dresses seem > to present a harder puzzle. In fact I'm a little confused about how they > manage to produce the paunch when they're not actually tight anywhere. Any > suggestions? > > Thank you. > Lauren > lauren.walker@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 18:14:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADNEUu1015640 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:14:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADNDA4p017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADNCeJc010313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADNCeWT019865; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADNCaYM019744 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Tczg96f0wuY3QirXGqLtd7UnLB7tOeZHrz9GmPoQS446Od1QXn9yZB7jJV+DkXs0; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.123.110.167] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L0lMV-0005aA-A6 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:12:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081113045203.66C70C0C35@bender.grapevine.net.au> References: <20081113045203.66C70C0C35@bender.grapevine.net.au> Message-Id: <4D78E021-B16F-4213-9A5F-0A1683FA9584@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:06:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c4252f188fb81d3da2f6ab368b2f2abe6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.123.110.167 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32b71f7b-87d8-463b-bef8-0befd4c87e7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491CB486.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 673 Lines: 20 I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the late, great Medieval Women calendars. :( I think I still have most of the ones I bought, though they're a bit big and awkward to store. Methinks someone could probably make a tidy profit by doing somethng like that again! > ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 18:34:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mADNYdHq016349 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mADNYYs9007948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mADNYJsT011626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADNYJQ7036567; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mADNYF43036481 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Ly4KqZzg6ljTj5i1fBjQwcoCeQiFYJk4KvD3lMo6a6B6aD/KsiqqLsbV1/zbztlD; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.123.110.167] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L0lhS-0003M5-FK for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081113170301.ETNY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20081113170301.ETNY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Message-Id: <900CFB56-643C-4664-832F-18674B22DF3E@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:28:01 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c3b186aa0a2f6508209835600392cdba2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.123.110.167 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32e5045d-881e-4bc0-b1c3-6cae99e06239 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491CB98A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2775 Lines: 57 On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the minimal headcovering > (a ribbon?). On the page 93 detail, note the fur lined cloak and > what appears to be buttons down the front bodice (buttons are shown > along the sleeves of the GFD underneath in both images). Some form > of closure would be required on both, given the high neckline. In > both surcotes are what appear to be slits for hands and a full gore > set into the front. Late 13thc (1200s) I think is a bit early for anything that would really be characterized as a GFD (Gothic Fitted Dress). My understanding is that the trend from baggy, roomy tunics toward more closely fitted clothing has really just gotten started at this point, and that the only really close fit is in the lower sleeves (to probably over-generalize wildly). I actually think you can see in the first of the two illustrations that there is quite a bit of roominess still in the shoulders and upper sleeves of the blue garment worn under the red surcoat. I wear clothing from this century often, so I like to explain that at this time there had begun to be a creeping trend toward a closer fit -- which began at the wrist, but by "my" era (1270s-1290s) it had only progressed as far as the elbow! I then go on to summarize (humorously) Robin Netherton's theory of the evolution of the GFD by explaining that the "sinister" trend toward a closer fit* started at the wrist, crept up the arm, and then overtook the armhole (thus making a closer fit across the shoulders possible -- while still allowing you to move your arms). In the next stage, a front opening with lacing was invented, which allows you to closely fit the rest of the torso down to the waist and hips, while still letting you get into and out of the dress (since you don't have to pull it on over your head any more!) My own inclination is to start describing it as a Gothic Fitted Dress only when it gets to the point of closely fitting through the torso -- because that's where you start to see the interesting way the gown shapes and supports the body, which loose tunics certainly never did. (*Granted, it's only a "sinister" trend if you follow the lead of some churchmen of the time and decry closely fitted clothing as too revealing and sinful!) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 19:37:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAE0bsii018786 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAE0bkm8014919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAE0bOpS015674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE0bL4c080646; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE0bI5p080624 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so678643nfb.41 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=haXlrUUxKJtrE7tHtlWNsOTikXnpTwRlqfMZawEcysw=; b=gDtinRzKW+aRathUUZeRsO1bfHY+NXJqySwITuW9htk0XmDyxK5JB6aab5Bktrmos2 w8uuBEAW+F9sljnPlw6uZRihxZK3qC84ucpHmHvZRnReIN0omSV1KaKNHvL5avkf3QxT ko3FAixrFi2WaWKU4DDAdfVZPWXa7anUcvcdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j9i9RNjcJI0jeEbo0VUUyrtCl/D3UvoEWdb1/qjt3BvcQn143DW3R3aD7On4cIa72r gRogIYX9FN3ZoN/nGh1I8qwxVtL2+P+Ae/cFW58IZmbgqY9Sg4yZw5isVyI3d8xxD4Fl FadydN/V/3mcuw7qmGQiI2EZINUC0Y2xInTqA= Received: by 10.210.34.5 with SMTP id h5mr325585ebh.178.1226623038344; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.126.11 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:18 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] JA POF 4 - supportasse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 535f852b-3cc4-42eb-99cb-18dadeda67b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491CC85A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1355 Lines: 36 I've put the pictures on the Tudor tailor list already. There will be a how-to along in a bit. T'warnt hard. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tudor_Tailor_Reader/photos If you're a member, look for the photo album named Cin's gowns or somesuch. The supportasse is the 1st 2 pics in the album. I've since covered the neck edge, but you can still see the wire work and solder lines in these pics. No, I dont think the original was soldiered, I just thought it was easier for a novice wirebender. I also thought the lightweight tie-wires might snag my gown or ruff, so I went with a smoother solution. I've been in love with this supportasse for sometime, ever since a friend brought back the Ghent Museum's costume catalog. When I saw the bigger pics in PoF4, well, Something had to be Done. BTW, I just discovered your Compendium. Lovely stuff and just enough bite-side info for teatime. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > Pictures, missy! Pictures at once! > > MaggiRos > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Cin wrote: > >> I just finished making the 1590s copper wire supportasse as shown in >> the book. I'm the first one on my block to have one. Fun! >> --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 20:14:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAE1Em1Z019765 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:14:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAE1EhMh018489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAE1EUEU017438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE1ETiS099626; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE1ESD3099616 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so588139wah.15 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:14:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BCO+FWPu/br7su61NPLjnW+iNInE4Ksz9Wby/Hs1A6Y=; b=diwUINdsYx9qFuZYu3scXESnV7DR8/O2J3bwcFBfu0KzXx2LfFtFx+wHfO1kVpG5j/ rEWOmnGptuPlhkvAHpREnDxwuRD+aFQkCYufVMa+7pGiBf+zV+e8e862LIAM6sOYGjQF s7p4ZwiN/W3TuEVyUNUIMbSd0NAc4VLB/vYGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AA5UpA5WJyFA0Sn2TFVlWO6viD3pRb8SJ7r06dFT0JyB0M+/athf48sgFCpJ0QV1Cr 9eOLKvLO7Q3MFoWoPBumNZRx0zDMXUkZi6vrNOO8M6TL0P26PpZhVHY9isjMhIGYVllY g3o2sasKK0RuK8x6X0C/2TJMefKdCharHGsUg= Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr213369waj.133.1226625268067; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.15.1 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0811131714l6fa1e005m4c45666bf9d8c067@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:14:28 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4D78E021-B16F-4213-9A5F-0A1683FA9584@igc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081113045203.66C70C0C35@bender.grapevine.net.au> <4D78E021-B16F-4213-9A5F-0A1683FA9584@igc.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b43b0a9-784c-4fb1-bd4c-3b6c06010926 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491CD103.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:14:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1151 Lines: 33 Or Sally Queen's costumes from museums calendars. I loved those. The details! However, I'm one of the handful on this list who believes that the clothes from as recently as the 1960s are historic. (and yes, I lived them.) LynnD On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Chris Laning wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the late, great Medieval Women > calendars. :( I think I still have most of the ones I bought, though > they're a bit big and awkward to store. > > Methinks someone could probably make a tidy profit by doing somethng like > that again! > >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 22:08:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAE38k3Y023302 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAE38eqf029709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAE38F3K023381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE38EAw053670; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE38Api053602 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081114030805.BXBB4904.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:08:05 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081114030804.KEXY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:08:04 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:07:44 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081114030804.KEXY7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KUpIeUB4NaYA:10 a=V7hQxyYs+RN6B+8Txk+otA==:17 a=CT0eRg1hoT_fXzGjELYA:9 a=QxlANCxsqah6DpTpUMkA:7 a=X75VM_QgGM-NCvLtIiPzs5TQgwIA:4 a=FbpAeq0fFFQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac9cda41-208e-40fc-8bcf-fd182e078a4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491CEBB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1466 Lines: 33 These are from two different manuscript copies (the BNE Ms. francais 854 Chansonnier provencal "I" and the BNE Ms. francais 12473 Chansonnier provencal "K".. from copies in France)... but I would also like to see additional. I have a copy of the Maciejowski Bible and am looking for other images. Suggestions? Another set of images of the "A" manuscript has been recently published (this year), but I haven't been able to obtain a copy as yet. It is from a copy at the Vatican. What other sources of manuscript images do we have for southern France? Beth >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:03:31 -0600 (CST) >From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" > >Unmarried maidens in the Maciejowski Bible wear fillets and their hair >down--I can't at the moment bring any other examples to mind without >the library being to hand, though. I *would*, however, like to see more >manuscripts from the same time and similar places to compare before I feel >comfortable declaring this an actual historical representation of a >garment. Otherwise, the only assumption we can make is that this garment >is what the illuminator(s) of this particular manuscript thought that >Castelloza would have worn. And we won't even go into the Spanish >weirdness, which is an entire 'nother topic all on its own. :-) > >Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 13 22:12:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAE3ChGk023561 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:12:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAE3Cbgt001077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAE3CPVW023641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE3CPLd055680; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE3CMGY055621 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081114031216.GWRP22277.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:12:16 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.184]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081114031216.IIQH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:12:16 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:11:40 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081114031216.IIQH28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KUpIeUB4NaYA:10 a=V7hQxyYs+RN6B+8Txk+otA==:17 a=5RR_TXQYMDjFs0p89hMA:9 a=Vl-Kh31giTYr6r4qyHFZPpV6ilwA:4 a=muxV8s52ACgA:10 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d1c2d8b-c629-4c01-a82c-261475738514 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 491CECA6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:12:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 619 Lines: 17 Yes, I was a bit sloppy calling this a GFD. Sorry. Only the elbow to wrist is closely fitted and buttoned. The rest is the standard loose 'tunica' of rectilinear construction. You can see some seam evidence (where the arms are attached) in some of the images. Beth >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:28:01 -0800 >From: Chris Laning > >Late 13thc (1200s) I think is a bit early for anything that would >really be characterized as a GFD (Gothic Fitted Dress). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 14 03:09:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAE89Id3025047 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:09:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAE87rbS004960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAE87FJC033495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE87CAs072399; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAE87ArE072359 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.4.13.93]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:07:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:07:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.17.139 by bl124fd.blu124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:07:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.116.17.139] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:07:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2008 08:07:05.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB55EF10:01C9462F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f68c6568-d434-456f-a56c-86e21d4e8a6d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491D31D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:08:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 387 Lines: 13 And we won't even go into the Spanish weirdness, >which is an entire 'nother topic all on its own. :-) My first quick impression on seeing the first picture was "Spanish". They had a number of strange sideless surcoat variations. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 14 06:56:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAEBu6xZ029158 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:56:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAEBsf1S029062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAEBs8nr038267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAEBs6ct066029; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAEBs4Z2066021 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so523637eyi.23 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:54:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0/jkvJl8MihE4MLGxqmUS7kjoB+/XuiFGYbxKehrRx0=; b=hx+FZBHHesAVphGLeoNB9Joyo+elTB1a9KoRnXLhkapfHOwAyuLJ6bI5DJX1pCncBX 3fv8+rABIK6/n+7bKAuqtJYdw92AuISRxKSsVvdrLS1V6NdgTySFSroEy9TQSElQtavW ThyDzlYlPPDpC8T6MxJZ3cmZAtnCZC77Xw8u0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DLoLcfwoYNlNjT4sT4SzVwUVWEEhe/CN1H8zIgUtxP9xtuLVOu1GJVMCDiCevd6Ghn ECN5Usx2JHPWq1cKfc7Gbm5CfpWOr1abGbhbp3ZcidCxFOHJVI/n2u2wPOO+FAGmr8aX 4CX3e2p8JlY5BrckojyarhJhfL+km4/tHkxpE= Received: by 10.210.130.14 with SMTP id c14mr910877ebd.190.1226663643569; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5addec35.bb.sky.com [90.221.236.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm1144886gve.5.2008.11.14.03.54.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:54:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491D66D8.4030002@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:54:00 +0000 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080914 Thunderbird/2.0.0.17 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <111320081753.16536.491C69A10007F1700000409822007374789D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e4ef727-0875-492b-a04f-f09bf3298363 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491D6701.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 36 These are not young girls - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional thing for a woman to do, in a part of the world that tends to unusual fashions, and then the picture is from a different country, so who knows what they thought she might have worn? Jean lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls? > Lauren > lauren.walker@comcast.net > http://www.timetraveltextiles.com > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Beth and Bob Matney > > >> Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: >> >> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg >> >> http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg >> >> Note the cut of the "sideless surcote" and the >> minimal headcovering (a ribbon?). >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 14 12:26:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAEHQ5T9007114 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:26:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAEHQ0GL031546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAEHPTNZ063759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAEHPPOF000607; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAEHPNHN000570 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so760294wah.15 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OZvipwKQAXiLmdbjkuNMNJJ6ZLpbu7PmaVlb3ni8jB0=; b=v95I/rKgoBbogUcv+jjL6UJGpiNM2HTtjuk+dFZQ/gFFnoaBNS+ktL6qL0w58ngBEh j+u1iSK7AG4OpEvUuCBpWhwiF9STg0sKIcT8hm4UwSIusLnkC6PxKm+/qtCvv2ZIBE87 PP9wUpL+RMcoKJL8OVSaeqKwoE481AKG6KnJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rVm+z0vUK+IsrshbATyICh14Mj++vtZUGEGqG/DxvhHO1B+qKKarkvjeEOHjFOeGco 1ylKR2a1knyUTq9Sn7F6m/73q0TOku5T8VcDjYgXrcGHyFj2QSILdx2FGkMvuvdK2lHi 9x9NVZmN7IHu2A+8u83gqAnI3bEt7B3ft3aoc= Received: by 10.114.181.6 with SMTP id d6mr743674waf.8.1226683522750; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.12 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:25:22 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8296995c0811131714l6fa1e005m4c45666bf9d8c067@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081113045203.66C70C0C35@bender.grapevine.net.au> <4D78E021-B16F-4213-9A5F-0A1683FA9584@igc.org> <8296995c0811131714l6fa1e005m4c45666bf9d8c067@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costume calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b16b74c-dc93-41c5-b8a2-38d1c81c06e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491DB4A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:26:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 36 Oh I believe it. I'm just not happy about it ;-) MaggiRos On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > Or Sally Queen's costumes from museums calendars. I loved those. The > details! However, I'm one of the handful on this list who believes that the > clothes from as recently as the 1960s are historic. (and yes, I lived > them.) > LynnD > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Chris Laning wrote: > > > I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the late, great Medieval Women > > calendars. :( I think I still have most of the ones I bought, though > > they're a bit big and awkward to store. > > > > Methinks someone could probably make a tidy profit by doing somethng like > > that again! > > > >> > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 14 22:37:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAF3b3Uu012130 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:37:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAF3ZhSs014093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:36:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAF3Yucb007137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:34:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAF3Yrxp093935; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAF3YnVR093912 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from [209.173.108.246] (helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1L1Bvt-0001Y7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: <491E435F.7090005@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:34:55 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Edwardian films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 354d91e6-44c9-456a-930e-3c07c1a6c271 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491E438F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:36:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 566 Lines: 15 Netflix has a DVD entitled "Electric Edwardians". It's a collection of Edison films shot c. 1900-1906 in the UK. You need to go into the set-up menu to turn on the commentary. The films include everything from military dress, school children, community parades (in fine dress), factory workers, etc. Quite interesting. --Charlene -- We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails. -- Bertha Calloway _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 14 22:51:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAF3p139014023 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:51:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAF3otfU005224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:50:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAF3odHK007746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAF3odb2099354; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAF3obOo099339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.70] (dial-209-148-98-70.sonic.net [209.148.98.70] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAF3oRhp004258 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:50:36 -0800 Message-ID: <491E4704.6030507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:50:28 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <491E435F.7090005@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <491E435F.7090005@earthlink.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c1dac0e-2838-4624-b8ee-49f3174e7d30 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491E4720.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:51:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 647 Lines: 21 Thanks, I just bought it. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing and needlework! http://www.lavoltapress.com Charlene Charette wrote: > Netflix has a DVD entitled "Electric Edwardians". It's a collection of > Edison films shot c. 1900-1906 in the UK. You need to go into the > set-up menu to turn on the commentary. The films include everything > from military dress, school children, community parades (in fine dress), > factory workers, etc. Quite interesting. > > --Charlene > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 15 06:36:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAFBaxBf020016 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:36:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAFBarTx009996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:36:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAFBZoOl020925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFBZkg2057915; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAFBZiXR057866 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95262 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 11:35:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MvXhhb0+R9VyKdKTQ0NsCGG5Yk3WzmIq7MDnJNaQrrG1RFQIhbVrsiiheNdof8a5W6SHTUqHSA+le0xgHJPhUWr68YSLhIukdGSBok/3gUVSRYE5DFExgsZu+KgG8TvVJWi0w9e8AmLxOSWuO7Z9Ewd/ks2SzbQHfeI/lD/a0kQ=; X-YMail-OSG: n1_jAfkVM1kR54I43mMbNKTfmAD03f8Uy2NsA6QcyTjN.WPhlv_d5aL_5TgjwUdjsMrgpv2vcCmhMem5lES0nokfpPi5j9hE3fkWBr.Kfw7jFYUC4zzXokYlDFdHhm4pwGMs1tE1vUzeBZINJbz3NWR60A-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:35:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <111320082252.6867.491CAFC3000E151200001AD322007348309D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <718647.94777.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Garment-fitting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c191dc69-0f64-4e03-8136-cace0a2e1007 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 491EB455.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:36:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 599 Lines: 15 Why don't you sew for yourself? No time? Well, it would save you a lot of trouble if you would draft your own patterns. Or make someone else draft the slopers for you. I prefer pattern drafting rather than adjusting commercial patterns, even though my figure has the right proportions for commercial patterns, except for a short back length and wide shoulders. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:49:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 29 Hi, I'm about to do a short version of houppelande or burgundian-style men's doublet, however you call it. The style seen on this picture: http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1468_claricedegasconne.jpg My question is, are the pleats sewn fixed together or are they just folded into the waistband? I think they must be fixed somehow because the pleats are always so regular, but I'm absolutely unable to figure out where would be the fastening and how exactly would it work. In this picture, it looks as the fastening was in the back, but it's very unclear to see. http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5435/img7348wr5.jpg I've searched some books on this topic but I never found a satisfying answer. Adrien Harmand talks about fixing the pleats, but as my French is so bad, I didn't figure out whether she said something about the fastening. Thanks, Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 15 07:40:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAFCeSpR023340 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAFCd8tJ014680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:39:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAFCcZbM023075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFCcXdM080445; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFCcUw8080414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1KQ1-0004nn-VJ for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:38:30 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081115123026.03c093c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:38:06 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <293408.56492.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <293408.56492.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande fastening question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0edea316-1edf-4852-9443-f37716d74a34 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 491EC2EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:39:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1865 Lines: 44 At 11:49 15/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm about to do a short version of houppelande or burgundian-style >men's doublet, however you call it. The style seen on this picture: >http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1468_claricedegasconne.jpg > >My question is, are the pleats sewn fixed together or are they just >folded into the waistband? >I think they must be fixed somehow because the pleats are always so >regular, but I'm absolutely unable to figure out where would be the >fastening and how exactly would it work. > >In this picture, it looks as the fastening was in the back, but it's >very unclear to see. >http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5435/img7348wr5.jpg > >I've searched some books on this topic but I never found a >satisfying answer. Adrien Harmand talks about fixing the pleats, but >as my French is so bad, I didn't figure out whether she said >something about the fastening. http://www.florentine-persona.com/Reviews/review_birbari.html In this book there is a picture of a man lying on the ground, with his "houpplande", for want of a better description, lying open under him. It is clear that the pleats are stitched to a band which is at the waist, and which, in my opinion, appears to have no fastening. The belt worn over such a garment would probably be sufficient to hold it fastened. However, it could be hooked closed, or tied with points. Although the book contains Italian pictures only, the garments are very similar, and I have used the internal belt system satisfactorily on them for Northern European clothing. I have not seen anything that fastened at the back, and I wonder if your picture is showing a seam, decorated with ?braid? rather than an opening? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 15 10:42:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAFFgDKY031403 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:42:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAFFg7vo004080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAFFfbjJ030064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFFfYfB055082; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFFfWWm055066 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1026239qwi.23 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:41:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i/vLaFZJSJEn6KRZgK6RGzLbe1NTA5VSp35Iv8pvhDE=; b=iQ66Ul8t4zRMgfFKeJYz3OJDWG3pgjCuE/yaen8PjmpVPtSmIdcmdwTUy769PON+L3 QKAYaqYLVy8SSuMWlwgv4K+jW2kgCujx6zEqJhBDmza6dE8/77l+Ps3DFE3jpJEJej7x iVhxPipj52L2sKT9RV0rY+JAUruBd4ly6IJXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h/eRsGJps/wYtYIlVlHcMCG72ZGrYmLT3eskGNhkbGx06IXMrjShMxEgUSCk8AIAz+ gTzhLs2HbateACb1XutLO1R5+HRl3RRaRdGOXwJKNtB813RQHZ5QsLwExmz4c7mXYYqf edsmNejaRnGxkvb6XlnNIh9uFoqtEtoMvAhMw= Received: by 10.214.116.3 with SMTP id o3mr1735426qac.241.1226763692094; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.111? (71-89-2-53.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com [71.89.2.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1746731yxs.5.2008.11.15.07.41.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:41:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491EEDA6.8090004@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:41:26 -0500 From: Brangwyne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <293408.56492.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081115123026.03c093c8@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081115123026.03c093c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande fastening question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60e4f72b-6aaf-48e3-ac78-2b9173f0478e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 491EEDCF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:42:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2421 Lines: 59 Having made one following Cynthia's website, the pleats are NOT sewn down but that is the way they fall naturally. It was so cool to see the pleats form all by themselves, but you do need to adjust them by hand to keep them even and then belt the garment. I'll be crazy and make another for myself. Starr Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 11:49 15/11/2008, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm about to do a short version of houppelande or burgundian-style >> men's doublet, however you call it. The style seen on this picture: >> http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1468_claricedegasconne.jpg >> >> My question is, are the pleats sewn fixed together or are they just >> folded into the waistband? >> I think they must be fixed somehow because the pleats are always so >> regular, but I'm absolutely unable to figure out where would be the >> fastening and how exactly would it work. >> >> In this picture, it looks as the fastening was in the back, but it's >> very unclear to see. >> http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5435/img7348wr5.jpg >> >> I've searched some books on this topic but I never found a satisfying >> answer. Adrien Harmand talks about fixing the pleats, but as my >> French is so bad, I didn't figure out whether she said something >> about the fastening. > > http://www.florentine-persona.com/Reviews/review_birbari.html > > In this book there is a picture of a man lying on the ground, with his > "houpplande", for want of a better description, lying open under him. > It is clear that the pleats are stitched to a band which is at the > waist, and which, in my opinion, appears to have no fastening. The > belt worn over such a garment would probably be sufficient to hold it > fastened. > > However, it could be hooked closed, or tied with points. Although the > book contains Italian pictures only, the garments are very similar, > and I have used the internal belt system satisfactorily on them for > Northern European clothing. I have not seen anything that fastened at > the back, and I wonder if your picture is showing a seam, decorated > with ?braid? rather than an opening? > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 15 16:02:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAFL2dbv015483 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:02:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAFL2TYE009821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:02:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAFL1ssS044241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFL1mEH099215; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAFL1j4O099182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5F4308D8 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <491F38A4.6070207@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:01:24 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <293408.56492.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081115123026.03c093c8@suziclarke.co.uk> <491EEDA6.8090004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <491EEDA6.8090004@gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande fastening question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81d6a419-38ba-479f-92ff-4f54b7af69c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 491F38E5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:02:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 707 Lines: 21 Brangwyne wrote: > Having made one following Cynthia's website, the pleats are NOT sewn > down but that is the way they fall naturally. It was so cool to see > the pleats form all by themselves, but you do need to adjust them by > hand to keep them even and then belt the garment. Well, they do fall quite well without help, but I sewed them down for my husband's houp (the blue damask one.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 16 09:16:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAGEGnQJ004708 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAGEGiWv020138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAGEGFWY034744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGEGChd043977; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGEGA2F043958 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2647290fkk.15 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:16:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=s5LHyYVGxTxzjwWbhBvh1n8p5rpUUSR81MiPhRxWLZc=; b=wra65YNo+YcSfp1Iz20p1cmDLlmiYoIsPgbEvjAga/BQmh12B+0vP5Ctpef9vq8wTg l+b+3lQszVhOMAh0L22GG7gOPQE2K2d8sKMh818mHGhOUS5RWDLr3D6DTYTy+NyINZjo byJUEEnYYJC7XRYzCBZGWO7bHprsgeb84fkr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sYDKJU4uybGNRKShpdBBjVlbBT7NKGkRF2iMgoQ8wZsmPQQH6V6om0VWj1Wy4zIJ/l Op6MaXQYpwQS59LDQa3gNuXf2YdvZ+frRi8YSs2H1PcotOeZ8Yq5wW6Br7ZK7TMd+A4F sH7UOxQBGQtzp7CpzMiH8czBaFS+LNNuXIyg8= Received: by 10.187.182.10 with SMTP id j10mr341081fap.12.1226844969492; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.209.14 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:09 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 979257ce-3493-4f36-84b3-51c306b75225 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49202B4C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 789 Lines: 15 Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from sharps rifels, the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I do have them on order from the library, so I will be watching them very soon. However, preparatory to watching, I figured that I would look at what costumers said about this era/this series as I have never done any costuming this modern. Does anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? Oh, I will mostly making stuff for a woman, but she wants the men's clothing, so i don't really care about the female side of the costumes. thanks for any help or pointers that people on this list send, jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 16 16:43:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAGLhQQN028490 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAGLhKAW007474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAGLgwq1050865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLgs20054018; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLgo7N053970 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:42:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081116214241.NJQT3214.mta21.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:42:41 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081116214241.HPUZ128.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:42:41 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:42:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1B088CD16769496EB829109AF0519010@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AclH9fbNKD1GDsC+Qs6XaTSJe+8hUQAPeBdQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b0e01af-be76-4eb6-b9c9-5e181adf9d26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 492093F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1917 Lines: 50 Hey all! I'm looking for some resources.... I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening gown, which I am planning to make for an event in February. My husband would like to "match" me, but I'm not so familiar with men's clothing during this time period in general, nor am I knowledgeable about where to get patterns, etc. I figure his is going to be the harder of the two (I made the gown before, but lost too much weight, so now I need to remake). Any thoughts about where to look for patterns for men's suits in the 1930's? Thanks! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:16 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes > > Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from > sharps rifels, the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I > do have them on order from the library, so I will be watching > them very soon. However, preparatory to watching, I figured > that I would look at what costumers said about this > era/this series as I have never done any costuming this > modern. Does > anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? > > Oh, I will mostly making stuff for a woman, but she wants the > men's clothing, so i don't really care about the female side > of the costumes. > > thanks for any help or pointers that people on this list > send, jordana _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 16 18:37:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAGNbJLQ009567 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:37:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAGNZx16031859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:36:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAGNZMTM055896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGNZK26002371; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAGNZGVq002328 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90604 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 23:35:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=eyz1GVdDVvvt9i/68wNwCPg3YISeJHbT9ecma9eubNk0m9vwGzHsx5ooXz5GHnHRblBArpzcwHV5WRmcifPcV8ifNx8CaI/LNkJnUnuH/x/5czDkdUiLss1PuEbC6ykiEDXrCXtNZ3V/kv9EhGt1t62aiL59eKnocXARr4RhRmE=; X-YMail-OSG: xBawCaMVM1mreVjTsuTvxli7X8llXD2xW_qndCMRSaaAiwTBsx5t6RVhmOlzh_twk2pMQXmp2GRGuVJcbvGbVqGuFaK_7Iz7cMn9thYRevCoIvqQF_ba4KpUwBXLXFbpl2NloEB_fmXyg.B03A7HxcM0e5E- Received: from [76.182.55.31] by web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:35:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1B088CD16769496EB829109AF0519010@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <844205.48327.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f67c6ca6-ef17-4ef8-8187-c3725b1c4b16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4920AE5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2692 Lines: 82 you can always start with an "old movies night" to see the variations of what was worn...find a bunh of movies made in the 1930 that include ballroom scense...thelook for Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: From: Rebecca Schmitt Subject: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:42 PM Hey all! I'm looking for some resources.... I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening gown, which I am planning to make for an event in February. My husband would like to "match" me, but I'm not so familiar with men's clothing during this time period in general, nor am I knowledgeable about where to get patterns, etc. I figure his is going to be the harder of the two (I made the gown before, but lost too much weight, so now I need to remake). Any thoughts about where to look for patterns for men's suits in the 1930's? Thanks! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:16 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes > > Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from > sharps rifels, the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I > do have them on order from the library, so I will be watching > them very soon. However, preparatory to watching, I figured > that I would look at what costumers said about this > era/this series as I have never done any costuming this > modern. Does > anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? > > Oh, I will mostly making stuff for a woman, but she wants the > men's clothing, so i don't really care about the female side > of the costumes. > > thanks for any help or pointers that people on this list > send, jordana _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 16 19:01:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAH01W6j012461 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:01:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAH01QNN026970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:01:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAH014gH056717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH014mf012347; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH011oU012310 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail3.netspace.net.au (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298C31754D0 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC21BB807F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-59.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-59.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.59]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:00 +1100 Message-ID: <1226880060.4920b43caca6c@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:00 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <1B088CD16769496EB829109AF0519010@OurComputer> In-Reply-To: <1B088CD16769496EB829109AF0519010@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39cf7ee7-ece3-47d8-ad7f-6cf04cb47dee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4920B456.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:01:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1733 Lines: 45 Jeeze, you are in luck, things have not changed that much for us blokes, especially for evening and formal wear. You can use almost any really good suit/dinner suit pattern, perhaps use a shawl lapel (the long, curved ones) in satin. White jacket for summer wear, black for cooler months. One or two button fronts, no more than four buttons on the cuff. For a more military look, you may with to try a mess jacket, a formal waist- length jacket which is now mostly worn by snooty waiters and Scotsmen in kilts (oh, and me). Don't scrimp on your structuring. Use good thickness of padding with horsehair in the structure and strong shoulder inserts. A cumberbund can add a lot to the look. Trouser waists were much higher, sitting on the acutal waist, so you will have to adjust for that, loose fit over the hips with at least two pleats (three will sit better). Belt and matching braces (button-on, not clip-on, work better). If you are adding a bow tie, get the real thing and practise tying it rather than a clip-fastening type as have come into fashion. The real thing sits much better. For tips on the overall silhouette, you can't go past old movies, easily accessable, made at the time, -C. > > I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening gown, > which I am planning to make for an event in February. My husband would like > to "match" me, but I'm not so familiar with men's clothing during this time ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 16 19:17:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAH0HNfE014309 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAH0HIXJ015481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAH0H2dm057286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH0H2q3019665; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH0GwlW019579 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail3.netspace.net.au (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371DD37AA0F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:17:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B37B806A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-59.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-59.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.59]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:58 +1100 Message-ID: <1226881018.4920b7fa7a8a6@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:58 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cdbacf5-2812-4fb3-b96e-f2ba5ac35d91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4920B80E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1245 Lines: 31 Osprey Books cover this period in thier Elite military series although they tend to skim on real detail. There are a lot of movies set during the 1800s to guide you, too. European uniforms were pretty static in this period with two main kinds: Frock coat and tunic. Within these, national and unit colours and accessories were the variations. Although a few years out of your range, grab Zulu (1964) for some British army uniforms and Michael Caine in a sensational cape inspired by Bridgeman's satin cape, -C. > Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from sharps rifels, > the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I do have them on order from > the library, so I will be watching them very soon. However, preparatory to > watching, I figured that I would look at what costumers said about this > era/this series as I have never done any costuming this modern. Does > anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 05:59:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHAx4l8010254 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:59:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHAwwr7026704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHAwhqU093248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHAwetq085089; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHAwaHA085021 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c9f.3f6f02c5 (33856) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:58:25 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:58:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5045 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 411 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6524198-9c79-460d-bf1b-1a5aa5208e55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49214E72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:59:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 3669 Lines: 87 Whether the pleats are sewn into place with a stay tape or not is entirely a personal choice - it basically comes down to whether you can be bothered to pleat it, and have somebody check it / pleat the back for you every time you put it on. An internal stay tape is a perfectly valid option, as is pleating anew with every wear. The only time it wouldn't work, of course, is when you make one to pull over the head with no fastening, as then it wouldn't go over your shoulders. I've never seen any evidence for a back fastening version (though naturally nobody can claim to have seen every piece of evidence out there - if they do they're either lying or deluded!!). Although it's possible, I'd have to agree with Suzi that in the picture you've linked to it looks as though it's decoration of some sort - possibly the same (fur??) trim that's at the neckline (it seems to be the same colour). As to the fastening method - either nothing, leaving it to be closed by the belt if the fabric is stiff enough to allow that (with some fabrics it will get a bit floppy with no fastening). Or hooks and eyes (remember to alternate them so they don't fall open continually), or buttons, or points.... If you're copying from a particular picture and you can't see any fastening then it's either hooks, or nothing. In a message dated 15/11/2008 19:00:55 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:38:06 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande fastening question To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081115123026.03c093c8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:49 15/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm about to do a short version of houppelande or burgundian-style >men's doublet, however you call it. The style seen on this picture: >http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1468_claricedegasconne.jpg > >My question is, are the pleats sewn fixed together or are they just >folded into the waistband? >I think they must be fixed somehow because the pleats are always so >regular, but I'm absolutely unable to figure out where would be the >fastening and how exactly would it work. > >In this picture, it looks as the fastening was in the back, but it's >very unclear to see. >http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5435/img7348wr5.jpg > >I've searched some books on this topic but I never found a >satisfying answer. Adrien Harmand talks about fixing the pleats, but >as my French is so bad, I didn't figure out whether she said >something about the fastening. http://www.florentine-persona.com/Reviews/review_birbari.html In this book there is a picture of a man lying on the ground, with his "houpplande", for want of a better description, lying open under him. It is clear that the pleats are stitched to a band which is at the waist, and which, in my opinion, appears to have no fastening. The belt worn over such a garment would probably be sufficient to hold it fastened. However, it could be hooked closed, or tied with points. Although the book contains Italian pictures only, the garments are very similar, and I have used the internal belt system satisfactorily on them for Northern European clothing. I have not seen anything that fastened at the back, and I wonder if your picture is showing a seam, decorated with ?braid? rather than an opening? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 09:15:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHEFjFL023384 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:15:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHEFdxU002285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:15:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHEF6fU000655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHEF3eT076651; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHEF0DB076560 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:15:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081117141454.BZIZ3214.mta21.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:14:54 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081117141454.EMN3522.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:14:54 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <1B088CD16769496EB829109AF0519010@OurComputer> <1226880060.4920b43caca6c@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:14:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AclIR56/dfXO+RmmTP+dck4K7yLr6AAdzE/Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <1226880060.4920b43caca6c@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 759fc176-a0c8-47a2-97ff-e4b8e505821b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49217C8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2465 Lines: 72 Thanks for all these details! Any suggestions on a good pattern to start with? ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of > stilskin@netspace.net.au > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:01 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's > > Jeeze, you are in luck, things have not changed that much for > us blokes, especially for evening and formal wear. > > You can use almost any really good suit/dinner suit pattern, > perhaps use a shawl lapel (the long, curved ones) in satin. > White jacket for summer wear, black for cooler months. One or > two button fronts, no more than four buttons on the cuff. > > For a more military look, you may with to try a mess jacket, > a formal waist- length jacket which is now mostly worn by > snooty waiters and Scotsmen in kilts (oh, and me). > > Don't scrimp on your structuring. Use good thickness of > padding with horsehair in the structure and strong shoulder inserts. > > A cumberbund can add a lot to the look. > > Trouser waists were much higher, sitting on the acutal waist, > so you will have to adjust for that, loose fit over the hips > with at least two pleats (three will sit better). Belt and > matching braces (button-on, not clip-on, work better). > > If you are adding a bow tie, get the real thing and practise > tying it rather than a clip-fastening type as have come into > fashion. The real thing sits much better. > > For tips on the overall silhouette, you can't go past old > movies, easily accessable, made at the time, > > -C. > > > > > I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening > > gown, which I am planning to make for an event in February. > My husband > > would like to "match" me, but I'm not so familiar with > men's clothing > > during this time > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 09:16:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHEGFKv023444 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:16:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHEGAs0026371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:16:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHEG0Co000681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHEG03j077180; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHEFvPi077120 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W22 ([65.55.133.57]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:15:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.189.210] From: zelda crusher To: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48CB2742.7050505@theoldforest.net> References: <48CB2742.7050505@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 14:15:52.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF60A640:01C948BE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] vintage sewing site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: acde3502-bf06-4b84-bd01-7e668a637ab3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49217CAA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thought it might be interesting to some of you.... http://www.vintagesewing.info/index.html Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 10:22:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHFMMZw027277 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:22:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHFMHgL000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHFLncX004984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHFLlqK024006; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHFLiea023806 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bd6.421331e5 (39955) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:21:27 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:21:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f43a3e26-be30-49cb-8038-1202a4e6aedc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49218C29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 11:49:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHGnNBB031900 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:49:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHGnCQa019040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHGmeWN011616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHGmcre007398; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp8.kp.org [162.119.242.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHGmYRB007304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id mAHEwFPm018330 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:48:30 -0800 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:48:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:48:17 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 11/17/2008 08:48:19 AM, Serialize complete at 11/17/2008 08:48:19 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-11-17 - 08:48:31 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande fastening question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f976d14-f682-48b1-8b7b-2c4f1a4167ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4921A088.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 22 > I'm about to do a short version of houppelande or burgundian-style men's doublet, however you call it. > The style seen on this picture: > http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1468_claricedegasconne.jpg > > My question is, are the pleats sewn fixed together or are they just folded into the waistband? I've seen pictures that argue in both directions: some where the short houppelande is falling free from the shoulders with no pleats, and others where the pleats are held tight to the waist while the belt is much lower on the hips, and still others where the pleats aren't as neatly regular as in your picture, so they could just be held by the belt. I've got PDFs of class handouts I've done for men's burgundian fashion - I wanted to clean them up before posting them online, but if you e-mail me privately I'm happy to send the current drafts to you. (They're pretty long, but very picture-heavy :-)) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 14:24:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHJOgtG006122 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHJOYtR007483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHJOFdS024836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHJOBMO043644; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHJO9Cu043603 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so945158eyi.23 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7ykUvOlfViTsaDgb1L15xeODnOX3OYSokp9ANXOoPR0=; b=E7NSndUrDR8wg+IP2beEau1E+e/q39S2E9y5Zj2u9+LKbPLXz4W6sXGHvzSghcTspC LuO8p/WWN/aLSit+BM8hexIkRHOu3+X8F4mvtIHezSAg+zzFSqdtPxC+nHYASSG8TvGy O90Aoh3TxtSIzcjLB2H7SSMMNuv/vSavADGAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=l3qRmpHW8kcgoVRqR4J26I8nPYgG8cd62RvDegHs0C8m6Q3SLrqt/40uNjKZYfsKWw QkSrZtGt+zpUkpOZMie65e80rjhG+ebUlq7SY+LSbpdVbztAn2rGCzPX5j/kMYfes36e E8yIWHGJNQEG9A9kG91pUNYnES4vyqj9bqS8k= Received: by 10.210.75.6 with SMTP id x6mr2576688eba.58.1226949848546; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.126.11 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:24:08 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 413 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0bb8e75-c4be-41fa-84a5-22371e008781 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4921C4F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1266 Lines: 26 >> Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from sharps rifels, >> the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I do have them on order from >> the library, so I will be watching them very soon. However, preparatory to >> watching, I figured that I would look at what costumers said about this >> era/this series as I have never done any costuming this modern. Does >> anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? I used Green Hills 1830-50 and was terribly under-impressed. (Dont bother looking, it was discountinued.) Next time I'd draft my own from scratch, but then I've done some formal tailoring. This is not an easy era or project. For Sean Bean's field jacket, you might start with Rocking Horse Farm RH205: Workman's Jacket or Stable Jacket For something more formal, any Regency or Napoleonic men's tailcoat will give you a good start. Instead of using movies for costume "research", look at the real deal. There are many around. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/nelson/viewObject.cfm?ID=UNI0024 Lotsa luck & do send us pictures, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 15:26:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHKQ3Fk008469 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHKPvHJ005567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHKPfJ0030106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHKPdLo096837; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHKPXel096726 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081117202528.NCUQ4798.mta31.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:28 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081117202528.FJOU128.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:28 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <8A951254F2F24A4D9A5904D9A6E3453E@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AclIyEXkfOPdsjl8RQOd+Bu8Dtv9XgAKhu0Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1a600d0-8566-4107-8dfe-d03793c49108 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4921D355.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1756 Lines: 45 The event is "Reenactorfest", and they have a fancy dress dance/ball on Saturday evening. The eras range from Roman Centurions to Vietnam with everything else in between. I thought the 1930's evening gown would be fun, and my hubby wants to make a matching couple. Would renting a modern tux be the best option? Any other suggestions are quite welcome!!! ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:21 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's > > Evening clothes haven't changed too much really. I mean is it > black tie or white tie? Rent some evening wear. Lapels are > wide, waists nipped (and at their real level), and pants are > pleated, wide legged and cuffed. Is it a dinner? > Dinner jackets have shawl collars, and I believe they can be > white.... but there are rules for these kind of things, like > a white dinner jacket may only be "right" for summer or warm > climates. I'm not sure. > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 619 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/17/2008 3:26:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lotsofteapots@charter.net writes: Any other suggestions are quite welcome!!! He could always be a gangster....not the hip hop kind. That makes you his mall, y'know.... **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3ebdd68-9254-48b0-8f28-72631890d42b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4921EA25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:03:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 34 I think that would be "moll". Rhymes with "doll"? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's In a message dated 11/17/2008 3:26:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lotsofteapots@charter.net writes: Any other suggestions are quite welcome!!! He could always be a gangster....not the hip hop kind. That makes you his mall, y'know.... **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:06:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 584 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/17/2008 5:03:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes: I think that would be "moll". Rhymes with "doll"? *********** Isn't that what I typed? Oops... **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 17:25:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHMPUVY012582 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHMPOvi022409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHMP7Qu039169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHMP5aE092149; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHMP3Pm092070 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20081117222458.QLLX3732.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:24:58 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([66.168.21.216]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081117222457.MSYD128.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:24:57 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:24:53 -0600 Message-ID: <12C97AD1153D4221B0B4909C9957FC5B@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AclJAMWNqVQFugL0Se62yFLrTuCOFwAAm8Zw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93b61dfc-ad4b-4426-9e73-95768337475b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4921EF54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1326 Lines: 45 Actually, I think that would make *me* the moll :) He'd just be a gangster/mobster. Certainly an option. I'll have to ask him which way he would like to go... ************************ Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:06 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's > > > In a message dated 11/17/2008 5:03:35 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes: > > I think that would be "moll". Rhymes with "doll"? > > > *********** > > Isn't that what I typed? > > Oops... > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, > movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x12008 > 12037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 17:51:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHMp9qX013455 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:51:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHMp4LW000722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:51:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHMaMdw040039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHMaMpL001226; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHMaHfa001157 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Chc-0001qj-5p for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:36:16 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:34:03 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclI6uSBlhWP/uVlSfGCAdpJU6VvqgAGO3Wg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Romano-British Broch usage X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b702aa6b-de13-4a1e-95d0-29f9661d3ad9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4921F558.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:51:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 641 Lines: 20 Hi All, Has anyone got any firm research on how the Romano-British small animal brooches were worn? Were they purely ornamental, as we would wear a brooch these days, or were they also used, say, to hold a couple of folds of clothing together? I want to buy some, but want to wear them properly. Nothing I've seen (even in Allason-Jones' Women in Roman Britain, and in museum books where they've gone into the construction in great depth) has any details on how they were worn. Ta, Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 18:06:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAHN6kKW013948 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:06:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHN6fQH009070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:06:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAHN6RGI041927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHN6QLQ021773; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:06:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAHN6NqK021689 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8903 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2008 23:06:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gQwvUcAanx1seyUDn9BdPlf6Qo9TxUNH7JJz/cdYkNdGwlt8FJ0Z63gL5uNPzUgFmqz3QFYJak9/YfI14lTD583kQyX5lwqhpn4WsM+SZoYXDH8E15U7CbUZheu16VazZ2nHoMPOQzhyNHRhonNFX37R8sQif9KfnvMuOd+ExL8=; X-YMail-OSG: K8Q8IQMVM1kdSezNf8_Sv_CgM5DUjw2Pvj8QaNJozg.C8mAJBQVY.aSF9ipASnD.OXYEszEBZJVDQNiHnWEon8pev7DF1ScATD1tXcnOz5AtXKs6YZeNfTcnRGiP__wd5AM6yXWauNq4P3VupzHYrAt.PmZcH.KyuljzG5wwSLUBS69CvphrZnRYEPI- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:06:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <733213.7801.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1930's fashion for men X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8136b0ec-8c06-4f81-b0ac-a1747f4d81c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4921F901.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:06:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 302 Lines: 9 http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/1937chicagowool.htm I found this doing a google search, which was silly as this website is in my bookmarks. Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 20:52:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAI1pspw020686 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:51:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAI1oYSA024863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:51:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAI1nvEa050926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1nsFs016972; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1noGo016939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5D8308D8 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:08:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:49:48 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1d84fbd-2975-4420-b5a3-2d972a13dfc2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49221F6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:51:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1035 Lines: 31 Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/AAAAAAAAARg/hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/shakespeare&CISOPTR=65&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 21:01:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAI21MoF020985 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:01:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAI21Hcb013560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:01:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAI1xxHR051314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1xxvn021603; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1xuWP021541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=60889 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1L2FsS-0004cq-3l for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:59:50 -0500 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:59:32 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:59:31 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <738EC013AD614AF68B269570838C0DF4@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> Thread-Index: AclJICoMrbBhg348R2u3ZXFiriNMVwAALxFg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081117-0, 11/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 01:59:32.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CDB2AF0:01C94921] X-OMR-RCPT-Passed: Yes X-Tzolkin-OMR-Domain: softwareinnovation.com X-Tzolkin-OMR-IP: 76.186.96.226 X-Tzolkin-OMR2-For: "'Uvfgbevpny Pbfghzr'" X-Tzolkin-Update: 1 X-Tzolkin-Xindi: X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV - No Detected Virus. X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d1d38a9-6bc2-41f4-9c67-45fb24f216b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 492221ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:01:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1746 Lines: 51 With a whole lotta hand work you could bead onto chiffon with strings of bugle/rocaille beads and get something similar, I would think- reinforcement for the stitching areas would be required, unless they found lightweight beads? Or maybe strings/threads of a lame'-like quality? Just guessing from the two photos.... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:50 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/AAAAAAAAARg/hbYpRYFNvdo/s160 0-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/shakespeare&CI SOPTR=65&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 17 23:28:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAI4SD6S026172 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:28:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAI4S8se030275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAI4RpsM058458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI4Ro09090857; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outF.internet-mail-service.net (outf.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI4RlWQ090821 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from idiom.com (mx0.idiom.com [216.240.32.160]) by out.internet-mail-service.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB5F2478 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 073972D601B; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:27:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:27:45 -0800 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20081118042745.GB28264@idiom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2cf8014-0114-45c4-a00c-8f187a419053 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49224458.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 32 On 16 Nov 2008, J A Urbik wrote: > Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from sharps rifels, > the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I do have them on order from > the library, so I will be watching them very soon. However, preparatory to > watching, I figured that I would look at what costumers said about this > era/this series as I have never done any costuming this modern. Does > anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? > > Oh, I will mostly making stuff for a woman, but she wants the men's > clothing, so i don't really care about the female side of the costumes. Past Patterns has a Napoleonic Era Footsoldier's Jacket that's probably what you want. http://www.pastpatterns.com/040.html Other sites that might be of interest are: The Discriminating General: http://www.militaryheritage.com/napoleon.htm Royal Marine re-enactors: http://home.comcast.net/~1812RoyalMarines/uniform.htm -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 07:12:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAICC8Wt032189 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:12:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAICC2wI007888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:12:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAICBiMZ073330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAICBgEk094221; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAICBca5094151 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=mBEzwNxW6A7BlC+6Ffwog4OIyWA5OYPR6rTolTqsVADVfMxoVrdddYtdgT0ZygGW; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.138] by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L2PQa-0000Em-GB for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:11:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> References: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> Message-Id: From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:12:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a41e48810db889a500cfd4e1c409e3d4df350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807ef223-0081-4310-8250-bed7da16801d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4922B112.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:12:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1579 Lines: 48 It looks like iridescent chenille yarn to me. Such an effect would seem to be a logical outgrowth of the fringe mania earlier in the century. But it's early in the morning and I'm bleary-eyed, so I wouldn't go by me! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Nov 17, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, > and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. > Does anyone have ideas? > > Photos: > http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/AAAAAAAAARg/ > hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg > > http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/ > shakespeare&CISOPTR=65&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 > > The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to > hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. > I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like > my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. > > Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. > > -- > > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > > "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 > > "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 09:17:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIEHs3n003757 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:17:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIEHn2W023398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:17:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIEHS0r077795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIEHQcf061409; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk (mail2.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIEHMCf061332 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg01.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.223]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id mAIEHGV21659.; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:17:16 GMT Received: from MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:12:25 +0000 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.37]) by MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.42]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:17:15 +0000 From: Kate Bunting To: H-costume list Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:17:13 +0000 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles Thread-Index: AclJiFpAzxnRtx4RQNqqKqyGqf2pkw== Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd698474-506c-4a10-9328-5fac74a02137 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4922CE8D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 539 Lines: 13 Jordana, Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of the Sharpe books and films are set!) Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 10:08:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIF8PGw005489 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIF8J1D018576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIF81AT080303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIF80GZ097780; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIF7vW2097745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0487308D8 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:26:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:07:53 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 879 Lines: 30 Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > It looks like iridescent chenille yarn to me. Such an effect would > seem to be a logical outgrowth of the fringe mania earlier in the > century. But it's early in the morning and I'm bleary-eyed, so I > wouldn't go by me! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when in motion. Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumo&NR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left.... sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 11:49:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIGnYY3008951 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:49:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIGmEtV014994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIGlZU7086528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIGlWc5079867; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIGlUGE079819 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1259294yxb.71 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=c+oFwzjbcEGChQWnjOlegHiwIRu+c7u0fRIlSHwRj2c=; b=KEHrGuIa1ZPDsKT+EjXN4pa7JSgVXOpZpCQiMH1xF1rYtMiq2XnN7nT44ax5LGiVUa IS7Kf+TVccyBmD6GKCjGRcav4A+zWb9FmVk5vyR5rGNYHInUrYl62yLmYthsnxVJgaQ/ RFbFOjfY2V9PCkuB2/gQ1MFln2izzbHJMLDF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=JqcD++CwKGL2PWCHn2L9/wsTSX5Nun1iKS82Pp8NgNNcVmUg4JKXpo+z/sdv4yyEv/ pg89TTqa6PBNmlUJwIaFCyZJyeNa0mvDgYBtM5cnmNxxDbcVELgj6yNw3z6lhiRfYcoi lTQI132xE/Uml8AYXOVYbQlMXk7v3g9kF814o= Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr22153agb.117.1227026850254; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.72.9 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:47:30 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20a3da47-5816-426b-b6ab-e15ffc9088f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4922F1CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:48:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 964 Lines: 28 Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that particular actor :) . On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting wrote: > Jordana, > > Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe > himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? > > (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so > it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of > the Sharpe books and films are set!) > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 11:57:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIGvf6Y009404 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:57:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIGvZiZ029563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIGvCVx087234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIGvBl5088745; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIGv8SF088688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Tsy-0005xC-5A for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:57:08 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:56:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7368345-435e-436d-b002-39a2ad0fa9d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4922F3FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:57:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1405 Lines: 44 At 16:47 18/11/2008, you wrote: >Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo >with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that >particular actor :) . > I suggest you try here. http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. Suzi >On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting wrote: > > > Jordana, > > > > Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe > > himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? > > > > (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so > > it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in > which most of > > the Sharpe books and films are set!) > > > > Kate Bunting > > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 12:13:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIHDjNv010276 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIHDcjp002798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIH84MD087959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIH833x098568; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIH831b098456 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1773532gxk.23 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:07:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=o/OW6V3jm1VGfSecW4CfvBMkZW9BMDiTfXtyjun8RX4=; b=I2rpeVrKv9lUlUJnJBmr+29rItu5TDlZo9A3c/XbmBDvmC0+CivRhTnt2wC05o3LCt KAJTICMZ5UgdXc6Y3ERkLSSaiIDtakG73cG3qmmL2gXNYRsUaukrC3DlaidSYke64oY3 v/Ukv9zodKvtr91fwqlhQoBp6j7NNfnLQbl1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WUTNDrvKuy/a2Qz5PpgTHFSf/Dn7PwVLlIFwsa8IxkA61GL91NbiIJth8C4VVauc6E iPSgA0RWfExesjqa9YXhpyQnYUECob06xUabTL/A+uEUGcrNbDWKLhujmANSLMtZoQ3Q c/HOhNs9pvT9bTHTkqCoCOVOkESvth22ISAgA= Received: by 10.90.31.4 with SMTP id e4mr33441age.113.1227027571423; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.72.9 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:59:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:59:31 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5f50248-ccc0-47eb-8877-610abff00fed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4922F7C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1730 Lines: 57 Thanks, that is very cool. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 16:47 18/11/2008, you wrote: > >> Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo >> with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that >> particular actor :) . >> >> > I suggest you try here. > > http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ > > Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the > research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. > > Suzi > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting > >wrote: >> >> > Jordana, >> > >> > Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe >> > himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? >> > >> > (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so >> > it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which >> most of >> > the Sharpe books and films are set!) >> > >> > Kate Bunting >> > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:04:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJ4qTx013728 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJ4kPQ016021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJ4RTq096236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJ4PdR094319; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJ4MJ7094214 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081118190417.SMLV8828.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:17 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.206]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id gj4H1a0074T6EGg02j4H3G; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:17 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k1qQ73UqGxQA:10 a=LSy98QcCXDEA:10 a=EmmQ-hcxAAAA:8 a=4kiMrwuQClSle3RmOLIA:9 a=vTpebVkZpvwf0YVqwp6undsXWKwA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4C11938C1812475B961774596CDBBF95@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> Thread-Index: AclJj4u3FxxxfmyYSUaaqoQEy3xZtQAIMtkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 271 Lines: 23 http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi4100325401 Try this clip for a bit more of the costume in motion Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:19:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJJo5T014092 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJJiZu032019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJJRca097341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJJR8P007492; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJJOiZ007433 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AB81A8E97 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:19:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:19:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f13d0e1e-342a-49cb-94ef-82c57541005f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49231550.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 718 Lines: 28 It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread interwoven. Or just rayon. http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spoo l.html http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd -----Original Message----- Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when in motion. Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumo&NR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left.... sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:25:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJPs8O014243 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:25:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJPgjL007900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:25:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJPI1Y097787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJPITN012212; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJPFY7012175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WCI-0006Bd-VT for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:25:15 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118192250.03c128b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:24:48 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 962 Lines: 32 At 19:19 18/11/2008, you wrote: >It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread >interwoven. Or just rayon. >http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spoo >l.html >http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd > >-----Original Message----- > >Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when >in motion. > >Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumo&NR=1 > >At 1:57, she comes from the left.... sadly, that's only about 1 second >of movement. I'm probably way off, but it looks like strips of cellophane to me - easy to cut fringe on the edges of a sheet of it, cut a hole it the top and wear it like a poncho - she's not still so it doesn't matter about accuracy of cutting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:37:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJbc7M014549 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJbXXn007894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJbEsm098553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJbDY1021871; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJbAcN021818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F29308D8 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49231961.9020600@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4922DA49.10800@thibault.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118192250.03c128b0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118192250.03c128b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 902ca8a9-1904-4afb-86dc-5f971cccc300 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4923197D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 784 Lines: 20 Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I'm probably way off, but it looks like strips of cellophane to me - > easy to cut fringe on the edges of a sheet of it, cut a hole it the > top and wear it like a poncho - she's not still so it doesn't matter > about accuracy of cutting. It does look like it, to be sure. But it swings like something heavy, which is the puzzle. Chainette with metal in it might do, but would it be shiny enough? I don't think so. Mind you, this is curiosity; I'm not planning on recreating the costume. I was hoping the thing would have been in some exhibition somewhere, but if it ever was, no one has webbed it! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:47:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJlM1b014785 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJlIoW012070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJl2tu099246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJl2Ob029448; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJkwFV029329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:48:31 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:48:28 -0500 Thread-Topic: jazz color Thread-Index: AclJtqCWsYZTNiEPRlGxZPDsb7OEzA== Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A21AF@Orion.campus.muc.prv> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] jazz color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76e506e8-1748-4911-b175-52ab617b2352 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49231BC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 242 Lines: 8 I'm currently reading a book which refers to "jazz color." Can anyone clue me in? Thanks, Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 14:49:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIJnqV7014857 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIJnkip025241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIJnXMm099383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJnVGL031358; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJnRnR031297 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BF4A632C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:49:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:49:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118192250.03c128b0@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 523e66d7-8cfb-404c-9a68-3c2182c671ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49231C5A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 938 Lines: 32 Here are women fancy dancers from a 2008 powwow. Most of the shawls are fringed with rayon chainette. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yeHdETgsT0 a closer look (2007) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX7TVN0ch4E&feature=related Rayon was called "faux silk" and was around in the 1930s. -----Original Message----- At 19:19 18/11/2008, you wrote: >It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread >interwoven. Or just rayon. >http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spo o >l.html >http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd > >-----Original Message----- >Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumo&NR=1 > >At 1:57, she comes from the left.... sadly, that's only about 1 second >of movement. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 15:52:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIKqaib017576 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:52:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIKqVJs004801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIKqEkr003603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:52:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIKqDcI080872; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:52:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIKqAuY080829 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:52:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pustefix136.perfora.net (pustefix136.perfora.net [172.19.56.140]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1L2XYP3QMV-00011Y; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:52:09 -0500 Message-Id: <7304694.641811227041529780.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> From: penny@costumegallery.com To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 29475182 X-Routing: US X-Message-Id: <29475182$1227041529733172.19.56.14019543164@pustefix136.perfora.net-331632161> X-Received: from pustefix136.perfora.net by 68.57.166.48 with HTTP id 29475182 for [h-costume@indra.com]; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:52:09 CET Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:52:09 -0500 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18klBqeSnbV0w/4aEZIXt/bUyZ9rrQoIWSQhNY lEqAO5hZLGN3ZTwgCOCiqXggbFIvR+UVrBHoP3bnDp8MLW9WrD vAye69lO5c= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 775ae1f1-df87-4ea4-bb56-47db0e88482f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49232B0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1110 Lines: 26 Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific for "jazz" being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't imagine what that would be. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of penny@costumegallery.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:52 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color Patty, I haven't heard of a specific color called jazz before but in New Orleans the Mardi Gras color are used with the jazz funerals. The Mardi Gras colors are gold (or bright yellow), purple and green. These colors are used frequently with Dixieland or New Orleans style jazz music. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites for fashion, costume, and textile history _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 16:47:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAILlifD024327 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:47:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAILlcmD019208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:47:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAILlHKg007215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAILlGAK028358; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAILlDaU028223 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-197.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.197]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAILl645005345 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5E11148A-32C6-46AA-864A-23DECC6E6457@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2213@Orion.campus.muc.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:06 -0800 References: <7304694.641811227041529780.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2213@Orion.campus.muc.prv> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71242ef3-b77f-49f2-bb7b-a1dbf5296fc4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492337FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:47:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 453 Lines: 15 On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific > for "jazz" being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't > imagine what that would be. > Patty Let us know what book it's from. That may provide a more solid lead. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 18:07:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAIN72GH000395 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAIN6uWc020079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAIN6bL6011787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIN6W8J093500; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIN6Sg6093392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:08:01 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:03:42 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Jazz Color Thread-Index: AclJx4AAfaIWBkDDRbumhb+aX9oOTwACmZ86 Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C52@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <7304694.641811227041529780.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2213@Orion.campus.muc.prv>, <5E11148A-32C6-46AA-864A-23DECC6E6457@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <5E11148A-32C6-46AA-864A-23DECC6E6457@bovil.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d3c15a4-2b91-4db2-9eea-dbb0327f5799 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49234A90.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 30 Hi Andy, It's just a mystery: Queen of the Flowers : a Phryne Fisher mystery by Kerry Greenwood. Most of the 1920s background seems fairly accurate, as far as I can tell. Patty ________________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley [attrembl@bovil.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific > for "jazz" being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't > imagine what that would be. > Patty Let us know what book it's from. That may provide a more solid lead. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 20:03:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ13A65013748 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:03:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ132Td003196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ11ocQ017863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ11m18066629; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ11eYV066537 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail1.netspace.net.au (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4C117058D for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:01:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2E11407C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:01:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.248]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:01:38 +1100 Message-ID: <1227056498.49236572f0210@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:01:38 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <7304694.641811227041529780.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2213@Orion.campus.muc.prv>, <5E11148A-32C6-46AA-864A-23DECC6E6457@bovil.com> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C52@Orion.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C52@Orion.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55fe6f62-8403-4c15-9a85-8f30e36fb4b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492365C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:03:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 937 Lines: 28 I am sure have heard of certain colours used in clothing such as zoot suits referred to in this way -- I cannot recall where/when -- colours such as yellow, green and others not usually associated with menswear of the early 20th century. You could always hunt and email the author and ask. As a side note, the Phryne Fisher Fan Club here in Melbourne used to take tea at the Windsor Hotel as described in the books. I wonder if they are still around, -C. > It's just a mystery: Queen of the Flowers : a Phryne Fisher mystery by Kerry > Greenwood. Most of the 1920s background seems fairly accurate, as far as I > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 20:06:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ16U8h014159 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ16OoA011069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ167CW018069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ167In069253; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ163jr069210 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail1.netspace.net.au (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070466835A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616DA11417A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.248]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +1100 Message-ID: <1227056762.4923667a54dd3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22c37749-fe52-4e13-bcd5-10556a4ed29f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49236691.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:06:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 648 Lines: 18 > > > (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so > > > it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in Hmm, yes, but uniforms of the 1700-1800s did not move much, only some of the structuring changed. In fact British Admiralty uniforms of the 1930s would not have seemed too far out of place in the Regency period, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 20:50:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ1o8xs019339 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:50:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ1o3xP018430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ1njse020395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:49:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ1njCq089932; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:49:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ1nfXk089894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (75-162-27-221.desm.qwest.net [75.162.27.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ1nZq5017985 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:49:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <61F8257D-1CBD-4EF8-BAF6-C214B020F72C@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:49:33 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8649/Tue Nov 18 15:31:11 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65f5cff3-1fd5-4e92-a12e-640325c50c01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 492370CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 783 Lines: 27 Thank you for that link! Not my period of interest, but it looks like fun. :-) And on a totally different subject: How was Florence? I've been anxiously awaiting reports from the Janet Arnold conference.... Suzanne > > From: Suzi Clarke > Date: November 18, 2008 10:56:41 AM CST > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles > .... > I suggest you try here. > > http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ > > Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the > research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 18 23:34:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ4Y3QN004707 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:34:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ4XtFH017997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:33:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ4XX0a027424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ4XUEl067152; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ4XRfb066048 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cb4.47463a39 (42805) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:33:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:33:14 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 543646ff-ef8a-44dd-881a-d0ac27b14b7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49239733.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:33:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 907 Lines: 23 In a message dated 11/18/2008 2:44:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue@thibault.org writes: Chainette with metal in it might do, but would it be shiny enough? I don't think so. **************** It could be silk floss. That would be very shiny if the right color and lit the right way.... and we are in the studio where all aspects are controlled. I'd be willing to go with a shiny silk floss with some kind of small beading for the weight. It's got some weight as you say, but not enough to be solid beading. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 00:50:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ5oBgG012257 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:50:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ5o5XA002803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:50:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ5nTrU030557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ5nR49099406; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outD.internet-mail-service.net (outd.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ5nPEv099370 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from idiom.com (mx0.idiom.com [216.240.32.160]) by out.internet-mail-service.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD78249A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id ED4632D6017; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:49:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:49:24 -0800 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20081119054924.GA26089@idiom.com> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> <1227056762.4923667a54dd3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1227056762.4923667a54dd3@webmail.netspace.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a7f7451-670b-48af-9607-c3fbdddb203c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4923A90D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 25 On 19 Nov 2008, stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > > > > (To the person who suggested "Zulu" - that battle took place in 1879, so > > > > it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in > > > Hmm, yes, but uniforms of the 1700-1800s did not move much, only some of the > structuring changed. In fact British Admiralty uniforms of the 1930s would not > have seemed too far out of place in the Regency period, Well, in the same way a Model-T Ford and a Delorean are both clearly cars and not trucks or busses... Uniforms of, say 1770 and 1810 looked very different. True, after the Napoleonic Wars, the victorious British kept their army looking much like that of Waterloo until Wellington died and the Crimean War forced a lot of changes, but even then the silouette changed in line with civilian fashions. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 01:07:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ677Ga013821 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:07:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ6728F001280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ662gM031155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ662GX005748; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAJ65x6Y005687 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32726 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 06:05:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5M+O+nM9Yp8C/211TCPuGyQObXArxD2iSLIrr8A3RW7uAdpc/KfSnrT2NU4IAZUrNc0RYFHbR7HXrr8UIEE6ewdEA7Jh67eUCd3NLSPtQrznXj8JPZU8D0ikzqr+j4F7GSO55zsaELgI6pzDTtvHwfnpwXzL9JTlGDZBIxqAGLU=; X-YMail-OSG: qIgaSvEVM1nCRVh9PyqC5ZJnFVwcTs3NeIMpN_wR1ecftjnA_7B5iUUG4n.F5JPfLW2LMH1S9TuhMbYw3NzZrOtySpsb.NRuCqa27glBG23E9YsgKGJ6Ir2zAW9zO3PeFgjVnJ0cCM0wrwqsofjg8Cv_53CfpAiQVocLmHlpMpSftm_3JePfNs6UPhJ3 Received: from [96.229.160.104] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:05:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.3 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <49221F3C.4020300@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <988343.32597.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6294c430-dcd8-4006-bfae-8fe8f713ecf3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4923AD06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:07:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1474 Lines: 49 Looks like long Rayon fringe..... --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Cynthia Virtue wrote: From: Cynthia Virtue Subject: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 5:49 PM Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/AAAAAAAAARg/hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/shakespeare&CISOPTR=65&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 03:53:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJ8rF3r029104 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:53:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJ8r9WL007563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:53:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJ8qrbg035428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ8qo64072239; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ8qkqu072213 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail4.netspace.net.au (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335F567A3 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:52:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail4.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C7F19E02E for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:52:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-212.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-212.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.212]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:52:45 +1100 Message-ID: <1227084765.4923d3dd5cb53@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:52:45 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> <1227056762.4923667a54dd3@webmail.netspace.net.au> <20081119054924.GA26089@idiom.com> In-Reply-To: <20081119054924.GA26089@idiom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7df6fbe-47a6-433e-88b9-87cad6a65556 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4923D3F5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:53:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 641 Lines: 20 > > Uniforms of, say 1770 and 1810 looked very different. True, after the > Napoleonic Wars, the victorious British kept their army looking much > like that of Waterloo until Wellington died and the Crimean War forced > a lot of changes, but even then the silouette changed in line with > civilian fashions. > I wonder if anyone read the original post, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 05:11:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJABK1k023164 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:11:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJABEam014597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:11:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJAAuZc038007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJAAsTl000705; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJAApFW000666 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c89.3994a5af (39954) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:10:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5045 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 416 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e7bf900-c0e2-4dbf-bdcb-eec688a5045f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4923E643.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:11:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2247 Lines: 53 I'm sorry, but this is complete bunkum!!! I've been looking into uniforms more than usual lately, as I've been doing lots of work for an army museum. Some aspects of the cut did not change, but the uniform patterns for all sections of the british services changed drastically between 1800 and 1900, and even more drastically after the turn of the century. (Obviously, army and navy, because of course the raf didn't exist till 1918). Also, some aspects of cut appear not to have changed when you look at the uniform (such as the underarm), when in reality it was completely different. The first places to contact in a search for info on rifles uniforms (it's the 95th, btw, not to be confused with the 60th (Royal Americans) - extrememly similar uniforms, but different facings and some differences in the lacing) would be the national army museum, and the imperial war museum, which may have something. From memory, the green howards museum may have something. This part of the NA may be able to help you too - http://www.95thrifles.com/ Obviously, if you're actually looking for the uniforms that appear in the tv shows, rather than a correct historical one, then the best thing to do is simply to get hold of lots of pictures of those uniforms, and watch the tv programs on dvd (so you can pause and zoom). Not all of the uniforms in the tv show were completely accurate (for example, the back of sharpe's dolman in the iIndian ones is simply an abomination!). If you need any other help or pointers, feel free to mail me off list - I'll try to get back to you as quickly as possible, but there may be a brief delay because I get married at the end of next week, and I'm still making my wedding dress :o) Debbie In a message dated 19/11/2008 06:07:11 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hmm, yes, but uniforms of the 1700-1800s did not move much, only some of the structuring changed. In fact British Admiralty uniforms of the 1930s would not have seemed too far out of place in the Regency period, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 08:56:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJDulJ0011419 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:56:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJDufVC004388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:56:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJDuCAA046497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJDuAeq005190; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJDu6Wb005103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:57:39 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:57:37 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Jazz Color Thread-Index: AclJ4s69b3OgJ8XLRDqmwtkiCUhdCQAa+CHg Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2361@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <7304694.641811227041529780.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2213@Orion.campus.muc.prv>, <5E11148A-32C6-46AA-864A-23DECC6E6457@bovil.com> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C52@Orion.campus.muc.prv> <1227056498.49236572f0210@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1227056498.49236572f0210@webmail.netspace.net.au> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a631e18-d406-4914-8231-4d79f782f3d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49241B19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:56:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 649 Lines: 23 I am sure have heard of certain colours used in clothing such as zoot suits referred to in this way -- I cannot recall where/when -- colours such as yellow, green and others not usually associated with menswear of the early 20th century. You could always hunt and email the author and ask. Good idea, thanks! As a side note, the Phryne Fisher Fan Club here in Melbourne used to take tea at the Windsor Hotel as described in the books. I wonder if they are still around, How neat - I hope so. -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 14:29:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJJTpp4029913 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJJTij6018945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:29:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJJTKQB082857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJTEvI015926; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from asmtpout017.mac.com (asmtpout017.mac.com [17.148.16.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJT8mW015729 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from UWPC4BY5831 ([140.107.73.202]) by asmtp017.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KAL00I7YI45YGB0@asmtp017.mac.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:28:54 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <00c901c94a7d$0ea79180$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> From: Agnes Gawne To: h-costume@indra.com References: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:28:52 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Jazz Coloured X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16a29c4f-c33b-49c8-9335-43ec16010b02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49246928.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 51 Hello list - I went to the Phryne Fisher web site and looked in the glossary -- here is what the author says "Jazz Coloured" means: Jazz coloured pink, black and silver, green, black and gold. Usually in stripes. source: http://www.phrynefisher.com/glossary.html If you are interested in Phryne Fisher it may be worth your while to read the rest of the glossary. > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:57:37 -0500 > From: "Rickard, Patty" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B1A2361@Orion.campus.muc.prv> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I am sure have heard of certain colours used in clothing such as zoot > suits > referred to in this way -- I cannot recall where/when -- colours such as > yellow, green and others not usually associated with menswear of the early > 20th > century. > > You could always hunt and email the author and ask. > > Good idea, thanks! > > As a side note, the Phryne Fisher Fan Club here in Melbourne used to take > tea > at the Windsor Hotel as described in the books. I wonder if they are still > around, > > > How neat - I hope so. > -C. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 14:39:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJJdwvd030469 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJJdrnb009076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJJdX9q084463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJdULO036207; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJdPWS036137 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:39:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rharperny@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so63129nfb.41 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=rMkv4n/TcEWTbg9Noh4P1YD/6liOBXqftMqjaFnQiaQ=; b=YN3ClykwAa0lGLeYYgwtAe24r3GeoBC5wq43KlEa71/nN6ruQ9+FA0RlQd+s1nkY7f eAi/EXlaSyN8c2cmIz+lPZ6iK25RxI1F2vY23CIdWW1AJJfTXC7OIhCRqWo/owZndGQc oJklaif64v3Tru7o4+fx50e1BgKbK3LF6u17o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gKLaKa/E4upc9cC9uj4lVoCXbQtbDZ5HQaujN4s0GixVfASWMQvcqp46QD126AbYos FTyQ/syUfn9OlIriHRl4ruehPTV8d4iaL10A6tDawMv4tLc3zZipui1xZ14QI7ZmKyWt LabCQ7Sa/iQDk8TkkYsFFAARbxBiA/KBG4I2o= Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr1247520ebc.160.1227123565167; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.45.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ef177d20811191139s78519da8jf4e19764f99d1fa4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:25 -0500 From: "Richard Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Titania costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71a295c2-f9b9-4e2c-9d8f-91f9755e9461 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49246B89.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 444 Lines: 12 Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJJxwLF031712 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJJxrKi020290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJJxbjc087375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJxaxI054489; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJJxO1K054139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-71-232-126-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.232.126.138]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBFF308D8 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:22 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78f795cf-2997-473a-8005-117880ab55d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49247039.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 35 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > It could be silk floss. I've been wondering if there might be silk floss *under* the very shiny heavier layer. Today I was reading a book by the author that turned me onto this film in the first place; the (fiction) book talks about the prior theater production in the Hollywood Bowl, and mentions "fairies in cellophane." In her Acknowledgments she cites help from the curator of the Reinhardt Document Collection and the Director of the Hollywood Bowl Museum -- so she's done some research. Possibly the cellophane is something they told her, and possibly the costumer continued the use of it for the film. Conjecture, but might be reliable. The book, should anyone be curious, is _Rude Mechanicals_ by Kage Baker -- -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 15:10:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJKAnnk032301 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJKAghC009049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJKANl8089059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKAM8J065627; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKAHr5065516 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZeZN7buLhYE9T3XsVGnR5xvExGZ75FXPhMLjvr6kF+abNo5zWd0Ok8fYQ0ETDEDW; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.7.98] (helo=Boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L2tNM-0007IE-Ed for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: <0669E7E29D284897879CA1BFE0359FFC@Boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:10:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd486bc78e293d4b771735350acb2bb8b265189477d7828d6397350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.7.98 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d39ae672-513e-4ed0-8c46-eee1f7446935 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 492472C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1186 Lines: 29 > AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Today I was reading a book by the author that turned me onto this film in > the first place; the (fiction) book talks about the prior theater > production in the Hollywood Bowl, and mentions "fairies in cellophane." > In her Acknowledgments she cites help from the curator of the Reinhardt > Document Collection and the Director of the Hollywood Bowl Museum -- so > she's done some research. Possibly the cellophane is something they told > her, and possibly the costumer continued the use of it for the film. > > Conjecture, but might be reliable. > > The book, should anyone be curious, is _Rude Mechanicals_ by Kage Baker Back when I was making belly dance costumes, I used a trim that was a very narrow openwork gimp, with colored metallic cellophane woven in and out of the openwork. It came in every color of the rainbow and, if weighted by a paillette or bead at the end of each strand, imitated much more expensive beaded fringe very well, at least, at stage distance. Melusine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 15:23:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJKNnWk000441 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJKNi4S016262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJKMYlJ090766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKMYpk076172; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.uvm.edu (smtp1.uvm.edu [132.198.101.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKMUJ5076020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer.local ([132.198.126.248]) by smtp1.uvm.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKMO37007759 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:46 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae7b65ef-1511-457a-99a9-20130d4424f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 492475D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 904 Lines: 26 Hello - I'm trying to gather materials to make an 18th century gown. Does anyone know where I can find fly fringe? It's the type of trim on this gown, though hard to see: http://collections.vam.ac.uk/objectid/O74093 Also, I'm working on a semi-replica of this gown: http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M982.20.1§ion=196 I found some of this trim at the local Joanns but can't decide if it is workable for the trim on this gown. The trim on the hem looks like it is stitched on but the trim on the bodice looks like it is thread work. Stitch it well down on top of ribbon or what. Ideas? http://www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Product/66/00416/00416.aspx Any help appreciated! - Hope ------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 15:49:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJKn29v001589 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:49:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJKldjJ009053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:48:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJKl33c094874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKl1h9097262; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJKkwYc097211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2twv-0006rs-K2 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:46:58 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081119203844.03c21ff0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:46:30 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c73c6a6d-5c19-4c4b-97d9-e185c3d0c9df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49247B6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:48:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1572 Lines: 41 At 20:23 19/11/2008, you wrote: >Hello - > >I'm trying to gather materials to make an 18th century gown. Does >anyone know where I can find fly fringe? It's the type of trim on >this gown, though hard to see: >http://collections.vam.ac.uk/objectid/O74093 This is similar, but not as "fluffy" as real fly trim. http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Product.aspx/Braids!6044 These are very effective at a couple of feet away. http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Product.aspx/Braids!6019 http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Product.aspx/Braids!6018 http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/default.aspx >Also, I'm working on a semi-replica of this gown: >http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M982.20.1§ion=196 >I found some of this trim at the local Joanns but can't decide if it >is workable for the trim on this gown. The trim on the hem looks >like it is stitched on but the trim on the bodice looks like it is >thread work. Stitch it well down on top of ribbon or what. Ideas? The description says bobbin lace and chenille embroidery. Your gimp trim http://www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Product/66/00416/00416.aspx >"feels" too solid and shiny to me - especially if it's the same as >some I have. It is much more Victorian in style to my mind. Here is chenille trim - irritating, as it wasn't there when I was looking earlier in the year. http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Product.aspx/Braids!225 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 16:32:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAJLWW0H003693 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJLV8SK022591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAJLUcTl001590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJLUb3Y036760; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJLUYE7036627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:06 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:05 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Jazz Coloured Thread-Index: AclKfWkl0vL4PXXwTo6ZI2VZkcfPHQAEMkCw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B24B78C@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <00c901c94a7d$0ea79180$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> In-Reply-To: <00c901c94a7d$0ea79180$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Coloured X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51421618-75d7-46fd-89af-fd742cf568a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4924859C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Usually in stripes. source: http://www.phrynefisher.com/glossary.html If you are interested in Phryne Fisher it may be worth your while to read the rest of the glossary. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 22:25:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAK3P1NV018687 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:25:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAK3OtBc017154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAK3OPoQ038233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAK3OL0p082416; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAK3OJ5L082364 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7FF2DC70028; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:23:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> Thread-Index: AclKhLpjMNqU/CEbTfmmjeHKvzRLDAAOZbiw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c008f0c-3447-4c30-bd0b-53729472dbd2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4924D887.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1950 Lines: 54 Try: Passamaneria Toscana in Florence , Italy They have 2 rooms, filled floor to ceiling with trims of all types. (at the Piazza S. Lorenzo, 12r) They have 3 locations. I just about died when I went there. And of course, I was new to period costuming, so didn't know what was period correct or not, so didn't buy much. (sigh) www.ptfsrl.com They don't sell the trims online, only finished pillows and tapestries, but you could try contacting them. Phone 005 214 670 (Italy, so probably have to do international code first) Fax #39-055 239 63 89 I went in 2002, so I'm not sure the fax number is still correct. But they have contact info on their website. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hope Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th Hello - I'm trying to gather materials to make an 18th century gown. Does anyone know where I can find fly fringe? It's the type of trim on this gown, though hard to see: http://collections.vam.ac.uk/objectid/O74093 Also, I'm working on a semi-replica of this gown: http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M982.20.1§ion=196 I found some of this trim at the local Joanns but can't decide if it is workable for the trim on this gown. The trim on the hem looks like it is stitched on but the trim on the bodice looks like it is thread work. Stitch it well down on top of ribbon or what. Ideas? http://www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Product/66/00416/00416.aspx Any help appreciated! - Hope ------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 19 22:59:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAK3xjLf019840 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAK3xdmd021932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAK3xQEV040307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAK3xQkp098494; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAK3xNW4098437 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081120035919.PHPL4602.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:19 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.206]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id hFzJ1a00A4T6EGg02FzJlG; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:18 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=X-w57Rt3gx4A:10 a=ru06E9OyZFQA:10 a=VE4EXGh6AAAA:8 a=XXKUCsCAAAAA:8 a=_MSC_Jt5jhAsLPHe3uMA:9 a=3GSxXS3w6n1S_0ETRheQG04M3GsA:4 a=PMc9FPxoiL0A:10 a=DCf1LBr_QTEA:10 a=Vd6fstww93cA:10 a=t0s8KFSjDi8A:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org><492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclKhLpjMNqU/CEbTfmmjeHKvzRLDAAOZbiwAAFl0ZA= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7469d8f6-b48a-4b15-bcd3-74fd6fcfe049 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4924E0AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1304 Lines: 34 I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was wonderful. They told me they will do mail order. Their email is valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar-florence.com I sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:23 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th Try: Passamaneria Toscana in Florence , Italy They have 2 rooms, filled floor to ceiling with trims of all types. (at the Piazza S. Lorenzo, 12r) They have 3 locations. I just about died when I went there. And of course, I was new to period costuming, so didn't know what was period correct or not, so didn't buy much. (sigh) www.ptfsrl.com They don't sell the trims online, only finished pillows and tapestries, but you could try contacting them. Phone 005 214 670 (Italy, so probably have to do international code first) Fax #39-055 239 63 89 I went in 2002, so I'm not sure the fax number is still correct. But they have contact info on their website. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 06:08:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKB8Xss019605 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:08:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKB8S3N018168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:08:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKB8180057430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKB7w69083807; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKB7tHr083748 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c8d.34a96b15 (29672) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:07:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5045 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] rifles uniforms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8cf6c52-76b0-4557-a91b-f9fa5ea13615 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4925452C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:08:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 506 Lines: 16 In a message dated 19/11/2008 10:10:43 GMT Standard Time, Debloughcostumes writes: >From memory, the green howards museum may have something. Green Jackets, not Howards (duh! - s'what I get for watching telly on the beeb website & typing at the same time!) And ps - apologies - just noticed the title didn't get through, even though I changed it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 06:56:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKBuIwc020883 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:56:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKBuDXB003929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:56:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKBtxEs058990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKBtwuH001247; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f20.google.com (mail-qy0-f20.google.com [209.85.221.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKBtv7U001212 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so357950qyk.23 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:55:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version :subject:date; bh=jUJK8Kh2vqulz54hInh8GJOPgYP7QlBk3gPf7f7wMBs=; b=rPMKUSaTbGQg0Zl2tkKSraDQZv7rv1GA1qDcevxcwyVIH91lWIY7cXWB5mjJunpNLW 7cxAnoP0xDyxU1nYWx7A24mjqeA0i1i+vhfwKC860xXAqR3MlnuoR5mCSBRE4E6RhRh3 gkbjZryRV9y1CjJqtU/APsYQFq+zt/vtBoPNY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date; b=lpvpjZsObiUNdOoBK8PHOd/elr5XUF+6vE5qlLEdksyLJQ8pUXtqGQAp4C+caO5om+ okjDvdVejTcyeGMRlkutb30GS+q0Bcv6k5fRzqg8xE4FKay9qbdASuQiofBvXFbTeEVW oPUQ/ktVKrAJhramqNsGEwfhuRkITLeb5M9/o= Received: by 10.214.60.4 with SMTP id i4mr2161875qaa.363.1227182147493; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?114.72.8.66? ([114.72.8.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm499056yxs.5.2008.11.20.03.55.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:55:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden To: h-costume X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:55:52 +1100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d117ebb-1952-49eb-b8cc-381f6c8f7a4c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4925505D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:56:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 446 Lines: 14 I am looking for a metallic gold fringe about 1.25" long that would have been used on a gown in 1812. I'm also looking for a matching gold braid about 1/8" wide. If the gown was made in the UK would this trim be silk or cotton? Bye, Aylwen Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent from my iPhone 0409817623 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 08:35:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKDZslR023756 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:35:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKDZmN7008588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKDZLO4063029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKDZJc1045762; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAKDZGFA045691 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 52647 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 13:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.224.126?) (melanie@75.45.224.126 with plain) by smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 13:35:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 90QCn6UVM1mr1V2uepduvHJzswLqoAJNeZjGeOiNgl7bwVuiYPyf7jTexYd8KeS4Nh2ZC7vkdPzAlmMciHatlqiC3tPmprsjMYs7jL_F1SnV41egDnwAk4wNi9dYwdRXeP3PTVG_0rRZvcROlEa9rhh8 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org><492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> Message-Id: <2DCACF25-5223-404F-9F14-046209417EB8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:36:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c4eb817-736b-46ca-8f73-7ecdc649df93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 492567B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 675 Lines: 21 I second the recommendation for this place! They have real silver metal trim (you can see some of the older pieces tarnishing) for fairly reasonable prices and were very helpful to me. Melanie Schuessler On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: > I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was > wonderful. > They told me they will do mail order. Their email is > valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar- > florence.com I > sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > > Anne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 14:22:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKJMvll032306 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:22:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKJMn6R005442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKJMbSs091851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJMb71047239; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJMYKH047172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3F6n-0007QT-PB for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:22:34 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120192100.03c3de28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:22:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c9a583f-20f3-4179-bf3c-4310ec6945fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4925B909.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:22:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 583 Lines: 17 At 03:59 20/11/2008, you wrote: >I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was wonderful. >They told me they will do mail order. Their email is >valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar-florence.com I >sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > >Anne I can't get into the site, past the home page. Am I doing something wrong - I am trying to open the page that appears to be the catalogue page? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 14:24:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKJNqXP032346 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:23:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKJMOB3013866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKJLUuT091721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJKrf9045670; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJKnvt045580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:20:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3F56-0007Es-F5 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:20:49 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:20:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22640476-1904-485e-99de-87d32c0a2d1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4925B8F0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 768 Lines: 19 At 11:55 20/11/2008, you wrote: >I am looking for a metallic gold fringe about 1.25" long that would >have been used on a gown in 1812. I'm also looking for a matching gold >braid about 1/8" wide. >If the gown was made in the UK would this trim be silk or cotton? >Bye, Aylwen In all probability it would have been "gold" fringe. Gold and silver thread was used for embroidery, usually a flat strip wound round a core of silk, often yellow/gold in colour. Gold and silver bullion was used to make fringe, and as far as I know there is no reason to suppose that this would not have been used on a dress of 1812. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 14:56:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKJurBM000681 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:56:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKJulPt018502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:56:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKJuS8W094220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJuP1N078871; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJuJtM078789 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so723234rvb.0 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:56:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:references; bh=ZQDHi9yx4TrU8wFEIaey3acsokRUi89C70wQcCrj8EM=; b=AgQDmyt5Ut7qAoFjKbPspVBtWGQEJWY/obI7cRgN1FjO8ryqtAK5+ew9GYGKoa7R2u r5jxJcWxsMHK8LTs9nAscubPgUMjrwE/MpfJ6PPJC9N99wF9wti8DQurWqrJWVlCCnGr Kanwetzke+2YvfB3sONQy1XMK7xOv6WhJE+nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date :references; b=E6Qy/GyT73svi13BvRctb7nL7JMBZQyA0VgK0F5o6iE6nbHTf86PSgttmJhRveWPWa G8/HpiyGMIqItcmmjLTCYZTLAj3r2qC/razvyo3kmOIdhciwbN+TU0zUUYn5ba+RQbHT H1Km+DWJXQ3OTL/0ECfDWM+r/BM3Ke7mvx/wg= Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr1423213rvq.62.1227210978996; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?114.72.46.65? ([114.72.46.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm2625708rvb.7.2008.11.20.11.56.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:56:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7F6C316D-7839-4C1A-A7A2-CEF2D7BFA387@gmail.com> From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:56:24 +1100 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52834885-828a-4b3d-afe1-2b2494cd970b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4925C0FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:56:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1241 Lines: 36 Thanks Suzie. What would you recommend be used as a substitute today? I am making a reproduction gown to bring to London with me next year. Bye, Aylwen Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent from my iPhone 0409817623 On 21/11/2008, at 6:20 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 11:55 20/11/2008, you wrote: >> I am looking for a metallic gold fringe about 1.25" long that would >> have been used on a gown in 1812. I'm also looking for a matching >> gold >> braid about 1/8" wide. >> If the gown was made in the UK would this trim be silk or cotton? >> Bye, Aylwen > > In all probability it would have been "gold" fringe. Gold and silver > thread was used for embroidery, usually a flat strip wound round a > core of silk, often yellow/gold in colour. Gold and silver bullion > was used to make fringe, and as far as I know there is no reason to > suppose that this would not have been used on a dress of 1812. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 15:54:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKKs3U3002155 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:54:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKKrvAd021334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:54:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKKrRWZ098428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKKrQj7023380; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKKrMRN023294 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d32.44dfb10f (34909) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-5bba4925ce357d; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:10 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ13 (webmail-dz13.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.27]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA031-5bba4925ce357d; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:09 -0500 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:09 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 63.228.155.130 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 63.228.155.130 by WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:09 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB19692109F1A1-10E0-B6@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28b08c42-0c10-4780-9f39-129f57481c14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4925CE65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:54:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 33 Suzi: You can still find bullion braid and fringe from certain suppliers.? It's used a lot in theatrical costumes and would look spectacular on your dress.? Costume houses or theatre groups in the UK?could probably help you find a source there.? Sometimes military supply?companies also carry it. Cheryl Odom -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim question At 11:55 20/11/2008, you wrote:? >I am looking for a metallic gold fringe about 1.25" long that would? >have been used on a gown in 1812. I'm also looking for a matching gold? >braid about 1/8" wide.? >If the gown was made in the UK would this trim be silk or cotton?? >Bye, Aylwen? ? In all probability it would have been "gold" fringe. Gold and silver thread was used for embroidery, usually a flat strip wound round a core of silk, often yellow/gold in colour. Gold and silver bullion was used to make fringe, and as far as I know there is no reason to suppose that this would not have been used on a dress of 1812.? ? Suzi? ? _______________________________________________? h-costume mailing list? h-costume@mail.indra.com? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 16:43:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKLhicV003438 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:43:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKLhcqN009222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKLcE2G002704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKLcEqk060133; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKLcAqO060017 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail33.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.163]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081120213804H0600sg1d9e>; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:38:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.163] Received: from [72.245.27.148] by fwebmail33.isp.att.net; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:38:02 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:38:02 +0000 Message-Id: <112020082138.24989.4925D8BA00028C120000619D22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 418 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61f4aaca-47fa-466e-a182-35d5e41ae8dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4925DA0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:43:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1482 Lines: 50 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:36:38 -0500 > From: Melanie Schuessler > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <2DCACF25-5223-404F-9F14-046209417EB8@faucet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I second the recommendation for this place! They have real silver > metal trim (you can see some of the older pieces tarnishing) for > fairly reasonable prices and were very helpful to me. > > Melanie Schuessler > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: > > > I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was > > wonderful. > > They told me they will do mail order. Their email is > > valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar- > > florence.com I > > sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > > > > Anne > > > > ------------------------ Anyoone besides me have trouble opening the catalog at this website? As far as a domestic source of fly fringe, rotsa ruck! If you want to make a great many 18th century enthusiasts happy, start a business making it. Hallie Larkin at the Sign of athe Golden Scissors has put together a DIY fly fringe kit: http://www.southcoasthistorical.org/Millinery%20Shop.htm Jane in No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 18:43:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKNh4KR008204 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:43:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAKNgrvo021444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:43:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAKNfqsn011911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKNfmJb065340; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKNfhiL065291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3J9a-0003cj-51 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:41:42 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120233433.03c168b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:40:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <8CB19692109F1A1-10E0-B6@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120191650.03c15d38@suziclarke.co.uk> <8CB19692109F1A1-10E0-B6@WEBMAIL-DZ13.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 805e4bc6-5a1e-436a-bc59-f24a57a757d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4925F5FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:43:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 25 At 20:53 20/11/2008, you wrote: >Suzi: You can still find bullion braid and fringe from certain >suppliers.? It's used a lot in theatrical costumes and would look >spectacular on your dress.? Costume houses or theatre groups in the >UK?could probably help you find a source there.? Sometimes military >supply?companies also carry it. Cheryl I think you have misunderstood. Aylwen, the original poster of this query, lives in Australia, and doesn't have access herself to braid shops in London which I can visit. I know about braids and bullion, as I have bought them here in England for years for my costume making business. Unfortunately I am currently 6 weeks behind with my current work, with an ongoing medical problem, so cannot volunteer my services as a buyer. You will find a list of English braid and trim suppliers on my web site. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 20:28:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL1Svkr014493 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:28:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL1Sqjl022857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL1SbeZ017355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL1SbkL023519; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL1SNNL023391 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE59D5D0290; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:26:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <112020082138.24989.4925D8BA00028C120000619D22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: <4D32BC0D348644E4A0AFBE45B0AE9B92@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclLWEmNzXk7Aq+5SrCPcuP/K/aFNQAH/RvA In-Reply-To: <112020082138.24989.4925D8BA00028C120000619D22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 418 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c201c805-227d-4a55-9a32-481528b32f6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49260ED4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:28:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1942 Lines: 66 Yeah, I get location, and staff, but the rest comes up with an error message. Rats! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jane Pease Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 418 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:36:38 -0500 > From: Melanie Schuessler > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <2DCACF25-5223-404F-9F14-046209417EB8@faucet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I second the recommendation for this place! They have real silver > metal trim (you can see some of the older pieces tarnishing) for > fairly reasonable prices and were very helpful to me. > > Melanie Schuessler > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: > > > I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was > > wonderful. > > They told me they will do mail order. Their email is > > valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar- > > florence.com I sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > > > > Anne > > > > ------------------------ Anyoone besides me have trouble opening the catalog at this website? As far as a domestic source of fly fringe, rotsa ruck! If you want to make a great many 18th century enthusiasts happy, start a business making it. Hallie Larkin at the Sign of athe Golden Scissors has put together a DIY fly fringe kit: http://www.southcoasthistorical.org/Millinery%20Shop.htm Jane in No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 21:01:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL21VmV015245 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:01:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL21QJm032517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:01:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL21CFn018992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL21C7a039519; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.america.net (qsmtp1.america.net [69.60.160.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL2197e039430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200811210201.mAL2197e039430@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.149] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp1.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L3LKW-0007Kc-49 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:01:08 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:01:04 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Genie Barrett Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Small-scale clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 429377ca-1a74-454b-8485-7900ff47348e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49261676.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Go here: > >http://www.coraline.com/ > >and enter the key: sweaterxxs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 21:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL2NBoD016298 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL2N6i2007463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL2MoWU020165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL2MoZB050551; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL2Ml4l050494 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081121022242.YRXM20724.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:22:42 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.206]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id heNh1a00N4T6EGg02eNhHB; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:22:42 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=X-w57Rt3gx4A:10 a=ru06E9OyZFQA:10 a=VE4EXGh6AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=UkXMivDvRt-U2gGFoYgA:9 a=JBfKo57KxN05rc54fzYA:7 a=WbZrk4MnydXpuym1-TrrxRh0GLwA:4 a=PMc9FPxoiL0A:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=t0s8KFSjDi8A:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org><492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu><115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> <7.0.1.0.2.20081120192100.03c3de28@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:22:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1B8E2ABA645B42D48A2BAC25475447B5@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081120192100.03c3de28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclLRZyq86Ql0UjVQuaanScLBwrOjAAOg7qA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed3e5e19-222c-48a3-ac72-7053fae1cd8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49261B8A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1309 Lines: 41 No, you are not doing anything wrong. I am not able to get there either but this is the address on their business card. Maybe they are not completely up and running. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th At 03:59 20/11/2008, you wrote: >I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was wonderful. >They told me they will do mail order. Their email is >valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar-florence.com I >sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > >Anne I can't get into the site, past the home page. Am I doing something wrong - I am trying to open the page that appears to be the catalogue page? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 20 21:33:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL2XTcQ017146 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL2XNfe008858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL2Wl1s020634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL2WjjM055304; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:32:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL2WiFf055293 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so364965wah.15 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EY+piKU9sNcd5utQfeq7HVFFOYAsliw61K7r8JVsibE=; b=wlYW9LDpXi/r8jMu0LpduC0j9vIv8jwZzcmNyT2+v1DAABe/IDMPmus2QiXWNgImeO dHqxFKL1KWSSpS9B65yyU4YjaiTQpvWUJLDZkO3v3y57aGf16Ljq5pwo1t9SdGae4KSW 2NuRtkw81ouDJJ3dWqZcwuSK2UZjw9cA9J0E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xUE4RtEyjObTXxBA3tYMpTEaWYR3mrhFJcIQgDjGfIRLUlvwO0Krs6TPBgsJbbHeVM oi4ja5VyDZtrBxCnlkrmJGgHscnZHp+Emi9vobFd+TWkoxKaqYpJHt9fBex5Dr7wwKYH rnjon8mb7aDPTwoHeGd+z0GH9v7IEh2oaI3AA= Received: by 10.114.158.1 with SMTP id g1mr768wae.126.1227234763396; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:43 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <1B8E2ABA645B42D48A2BAC25475447B5@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4924701A.6030008@thibault.org> <492475D2.8050207@uvm.edu> <115BBDDF17A64EE1BAE7188A14209502@ANNESCOMPUTER> <7.0.1.0.2.20081120192100.03c3de28@suziclarke.co.uk> <1B8E2ABA645B42D48A2BAC25475447B5@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e4bb3f7-76fb-405f-be20-70d2d056773f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49261DF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 45 The address seems to be correct. A couple of the pages are working, but not the catalog. MaggiRos On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: > No, you are not doing anything wrong. I am not able to get there either > but > this is the address on their business card. Maybe they are not completely > up and running. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Suzi Clarke > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:22 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions, one 18th, one 19th > > At 03:59 20/11/2008, you wrote: > >I went to Passamaneria Valmar in Florence last week and it was wonderful. > >They told me they will do mail order. Their email is > >valmar@valmar-florence.com and the website is www.valmar-florence.com > I > >sure smoked my poor old Visa there :) > > > >Anne > > I can't get into the site, past the home page. Am I doing something > wrong - I am trying to open the page that appears to be the catalogue page? > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 01:48:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL6mkEw007596 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL6meUD006948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL6mCaX034809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL6m9xD059228; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL6m6LC059210 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so957296fkk.15 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:48:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fRyIFbyOLcewwDyELehazVHFGUzesPdu20fqnTlUap8=; b=M22gqdDxrHxuqvW2ay229dsnGxbCQXhoguMgipxx/zds7sOqj830lH+z5/LdxahFKE whpQPOrCck/OCSEiFGPzYkQDuv3pjNChF5A8Aua9BiAFXYnpXUmG/k8vgDxA/AgQfpoe ziGB38xh53mWafp2n2WS24mZQAQqmS9GSSbAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qStzG3EGipw31dgwwF5PLaAc79mp1OZgRyTPKZa/cuKTgSs9SHD9RFZxBfvaWMiupr jUCcAb3sV/rfSaaU4tB8MFznZimPzzwbDGq2rpqaveND1bTpJqM8HsuPL/EtMmNifS+U pRxfi+XiuXJzDCLmyxgfE6wz3pNbz8aXQjpiU= Received: by 10.187.210.3 with SMTP id m3mr23704faq.59.1227250085981; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.191.1 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:48:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90811202248j4a18e326wa6c8b7fe275f623b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:48:05 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 247cc1c4-d8aa-46d4-ab67-9d3d4846107b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492659C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:48:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1111 Lines: 15 RydEYXkgYWxsLAoKRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBhbnkgY29tbWVudHMgb24gdGhlIGZvbGxvd2lu ZyBib29rczoKCgo2MCBDaXZpbCBXYXItRXJhIEZhc2hpb24gUGF0dGVybnMgYnkgS3Jpc3RpbmEg U2VsZXNoYW5rbwoKQ29yc2V0cyBhbmQgQ3Jpbm9saW5lcyBieSBOb3JhaCBXYXVnaAoKQ29zdHVt ZSBpbiBEZXRhaWw6IDE3MzAtMTkzMCBieSBOYW5jeSBCcmFkZmllbGQKCkFmdGVyIGEgRmFzaGlv bjogSG93IHRvIFJlcHJvZHVjZSwgUmVzdG9yZSwgYW5kIFdlYXIgVmludGFnZSBTdHlsZXMKYnkg RnJhbmNlcyBHcmltYmxlIGFuZCBEZWJvcmFoIEt1aG4KCk5pbmV0ZWVudGgtQ2VudOKAi3VyeSBD b3N0dW1lIGFuZCBGYXNoaW9uCmJ5IEhlcmJlcnQgTm9ycmlzIGFuZCBPc3dhbGQgQ3VydGlzCgoK SSBhbSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIGFkZGluZyB0aGVzZSBhbmQgYSBmZXcgbW9yZSBsYXRlciBvbiB0 byBteSBsaWJyYXJ5IGFuZAptYWtpbmcgYSBmZXcgaXRlbXMgd2hlcmUgcGF0dGVybnMgYXJlIHBy ZXNlbnQuCgoKVGhhbmtzCgpTaWRuZXkKCio8aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbWF6b24uY29tLzYwLUNpdmls LVdhci1FcmEtRmFzaGlvbi1QYXR0ZXJucy9kcC8wNDg2NDYxNzY5L3JlZj13bF9pdF9kcD9pZT1V VEY4JmNvbGlpZD1JMzVZTUwySTdVM0ozTCZjb2xpZD0xT1NXMURDTE1MQ0pNPgoqCl9fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCmgtY29zdHVtZSBtYWlsaW5n IGxpc3QKaC1jb3N0dW1lQG1haWwuaW5kcmEuY29tCmh0dHA6Ly9tYWlsLmluZHJhLmNvbS9tYWls bWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2gtY29zdHVtZQo= From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 03:21:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAL8LYo2015547 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:21:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL8KErQ001837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAL8Jccn038303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL8Jbm6095167; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL8JX5c095152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3REi-0002Al-Tk for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:19:33 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081121081515.03c03d00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:19:04 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <674184e90811202248j4a18e326wa6c8b7fe275f623b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <674184e90811202248j4a18e326wa6c8b7fe275f623b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5222af7d-94d6-49bc-9ea6-6f07756f03c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49266F3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:20:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 972 Lines: 32 At 06:48 21/11/2008, you wrote: >G'Day all, Does anyone have any comments on the following books: 60 >Civil War-Era Fashion Patterns by Kristina Seleshanko AKA Kristina Harris - worth having >Corsets and Crinolines by Norah Waugh - worth having > Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 by Nancy Bradfield - worth having >After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles >by Frances Grimble and Deborah Kuhn Probably worth having but not for me >Nineteenth-Century Costume and Fashion by Herbert Norris and Oswald >Curtis - much of Norris's research is now considered out of date and >not reliable. >I am interested in adding these and a few more later on to my >library and making a few items where patterns are present. Thanks Sidney This is my personal opinion only, and others may disagree. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 09:54:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALEsqHE016814 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:54:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mALEsk9I019722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mALEsNXv050480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALEsIh2060295; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALEsEx2060200 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081121145410.RRVI19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:54:10 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.206]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id hqu91a0064T6EGg02qu95C; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:54:09 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=--AGw9Of7bcA:10 a=wjuyh0semf4A:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=0DMrESSmcAA5GIO6KJIA:9 a=jyXGYQwz6EOky1mjzgYA:7 a=4Hh275ngTTOseSOnTu0P9WB0wscA:4 a=hkODgbchuuYA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <674184e90811202248j4a18e326wa6c8b7fe275f623b@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081121081515.03c03d00@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:54:07 -0500 Message-ID: <862ABF14E1FA48E3903A15CA99563509@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081121081515.03c03d00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclLssnhd45lc41zTqueG29G6ChlRwANhAwg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91d8f241-2a57-4eea-885e-301d8bce8a66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4926CBB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com At 06:48 21/11/2008, you wrote: >G'Day all, Does anyone have any comments on the following books: 60 >Civil War-Era Fashion Patterns by Kristina Seleshanko AKA Kristina Harris - worth having >Corsets and Crinolines by Norah Waugh - worth having > Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 by Nancy Bradfield - worth having >After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles >by Frances Grimble and Deborah Kuhn Probably worth having but not for me >Nineteenth-Century Costume and Fashion by Herbert Norris and Oswald >Curtis - much of Norris's research is now considered out of date and >not reliable. >I am interested in adding these and a few more later on to my >library and making a few items where patterns are present. Thanks Sidney This is my personal opinion only, and others may disagree. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 12:06:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALH6dNx027954 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:06:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mALH6Xwf016775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mALH60XT058704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALH5w8m062100; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/vS97KgVG/vf5aFbpJF9uG0EWMVaqc5rY@mail40.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALH5sAV062032 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1j.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.188]) by mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mALH5sWQ019765 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:05:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 1937 invoked by uid 80); 21 Nov 2008 17:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.239.223.171) by 209.237.134.184 with ESMTPA; 21 Nov 2008 17:05:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4926EA67.1020006@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:05:43 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200811210201.mAL2197e039430@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200811210201.mAL2197e039430@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Small-scale clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c323f46-b787-44b8-b900-4f914ba6c690 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4926EA99.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 874 Lines: 32 Genie Barrett wrote: > Hey all, > > My hubby found this, and thought to pass it on. WOW is all I can say. > > Genie > > >> Subject: Small-scale clothing >> >> This might be of interest to some of the folks on the costuming list. >> Go here: >> >> http://www.coraline.com/ >> >> and enter the key: sweaterxxs Wow indeed. Also of interest, this appears to be a promo for the upcoming movie version of Coraline, an absolutely brilliant children's novel by Neil Gaiman. (If you've never read it, I would strongly recommend the audiobook version, which captivated me on a very long car trip a few years ago.) --Robin been away from list mail for a while, and missed quite a few good threads! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 13:49:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALIndS8002527 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:49:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mALImEYt028484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mALIlbVU067491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALIlYdY045044; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALIlQki044932 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so486762ywe.71 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:47:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mJv/DXpW9ZJGX0U3h+XjOI/RIpTdhBBIyrRjVIwKTV4=; b=g0Ge27QAjWrc3XC7lRHSJkIb/aCtif7EAvH8/iio2ldSitSrkBuiwMip2dAliEffD1 /JZekJWVuxjegVi4A030xe0B8JzdJ0MZ6aCWrPvtp9cTx2NU5/UP0WrnkuJSgLqX2gWW +tueiNL+0UBa8+wMmyZUk9aGDRuSYybKjzw08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=rbXY/ND5qnl/gmB9iZBcj+FC1LC6eFEKW5GgbOu+cix4klbrj5Jbp6X01ixesMmyzQ y+Lj7BXZiPf/crCu8obP+6GFdA2kyuSPVQH0rRfP2JaoRzdHAi7Qaa6a5aqs7YMfiEss dyORESBbuAS19lYxR2eGHmjsSI/DrOxYxjTfg= Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr453571agb.79.1227293246438; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.91.18 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:47:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:47:26 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <1227084765.4923d3dd5cb53@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDA406483@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081118165531.03c10e98@suziclarke.co.uk> <1227056762.4923667a54dd3@webmail.netspace.net.au> <20081119054924.GA26089@idiom.com> <1227084765.4923d3dd5cb53@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2e7ef8a-c32e-45fa-8bcf-c68e2e132dfb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4927026E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:49:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 967 Lines: 31 I read all the posts, of course, that is because i asked the orignal question.... On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:52 AM, wrote: >> >> Uniforms of, say 1770 and 1810 looked very different. True, after the >> Napoleonic Wars, the victorious British kept their army looking much >> like that of Waterloo until Wellington died and the Crimean War forced >> a lot of changes, but even then the silouette changed in line with >> civilian fashions. >> > > I wonder if anyone read the original post, > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 15:07:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALK7ulo008044 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mALK7nOF028005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mALK7MGc072242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALK7KuN004623; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALK7GA7004573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 144D88509E; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 Received: from Crerar (dsl-v45-216-110-230-143.wightman.ca [216.110.230.143]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D385097; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:05 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <005d01c94c14$ba105820$2e310860$@ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclMFLnFJh47RLtPRjy2sBWRd9sV2w== Content-Language: en-us X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Elephant's Breath and London Smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7aee0053-a720-40e5-9509-cda634956de5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49271515.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:27:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 879 Lines: 28 Sid Young wrote: > > Corsets and Crinolines by Norah Waugh > Each chapter has a cursory overview of the period, followed by a selection of quotes from various sources which mention fashion or clothing of the time. B&W photos, scale drawings, contemporary engravings. The scale drawings would be useful for reproductions but there are no construction or finishing details noted. Very similar to the "Cut of Men's/Women's Clothes" books. > Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 by Nancy Bradfield > B&W line drawings and notes. Accurate, but still drawings, not patterns or construction diagrams. There are some measurements such as sleeve length or depth of a cuff, but not something I could reproduce an outfit from. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 21 20:54:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAM1ssEw029558 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAM1skGw007864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAM1sFak096304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAM1sDBD019899; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAM1sB7M019832 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c70.36c2eaee (41812) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90eb624c-09e2-4299-8846-678f0b93be09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49276666.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1155 Lines: 30 In a message dated 11/21/2008 7:27:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 by Nancy Bradfield > B&W line drawings and notes. Accurate, but still drawings, not patterns or construction diagrams. There are some measurements such as sleeve length or depth of a cuff, but not something I could reproduce an outfit from. Sorry I missed the original post. While I agree with the above assessment, I think "Costume in Detail" is a MUST HAVE for anyone who is halfway serious into study of garments of this period. They provide so many details on the interior construction, plus line drawings of sources that you can then track down elsewhere. Ann Wass **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. 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(melanie@75.45.224.126 with plain) by smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:56:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3Leg_bwVM1mxp6n1oQR6Y0vVwA84a2A01_NoVjRyFeAOqnhBTU2gdfi2QOELmsAvuKWd5TrQsPHf1c5fhEYLgtNnkIYednTWfNltjlEcLUELJpnI8hOOO5PQVp7pQ8SoJPQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4926EA67.1020006@netherton.net> References: <200811210201.mAL2197e039430@net.indra.com> <4926EA67.1020006@netherton.net> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:57:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Small-scale clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 677b7048-5b96-46b5-afc4-8e9fe9c9b26b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49282BE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:58:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 673 Lines: 20 On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > Wow indeed. > > Also of interest, this appears to be a promo for the upcoming movie > version of Coraline, an absolutely brilliant children's novel by > Neil Gaiman. (If you've never read it, I would strongly recommend > the audiobook version, which captivated me on a very long car trip > a few years ago.) I would add that, while brilliant, this book is pretty creepy and not really suitable for young kids. Looking forward to the movie! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 22 11:07:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAMG7jkr001159 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:07:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAMG7eWa018407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:07:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAMG6vZT023918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAMG6vfc036650; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAMG6sig036607 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 26476 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 16:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.45.224.126?) (melanie@75.45.224.126 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 16:06:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x9W9ooYVM1mxCVjM6mu0MgybNq4Zf7HElT.tPO7LtupBaVXp.0tvIFKAXrfflXupLHQeei38eJUFXD8Hrh8Nj3a97kffeZcYDxmhQ8468RznSg3EpaXvf6pfLDr0bdI4BBUmxM3XIZQ0nW4qmeaap69o X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6EE97562-BEC3-4D4D-AF93-01E66F355DC8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:08:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 475b9265-c90c-44c6-8cb8-82ec3fdba745 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49282E4C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:07:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1718 Lines: 39 On Nov 21, 2008, at 8:54 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > Sorry I missed the original post. While I agree with the above > assessment, > I think "Costume in Detail" is a MUST HAVE for anyone who is > halfway serious > into study of garments of this period. They provide so many > details on the > interior construction, plus line drawings of sources that you can > then track > down elsewhere. I agree. This book shows you the details of how things are fastened on the inside, which for some of these garments is a fairly intricate process, and as Ann notes, how things are put together--where the bones are, how the linings are put in, etc. It's not a book of patterns and probably wouldn't help a beginner, but for someone who really wants to know how clothing was made in the past, this has some great information. Bradfield doesn't always show you the specific details you want to see, and she might not include exactly the style you want from exactly the year you want, but what she does include is very valuable. I'd also second a recommendation for Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. It's true that it does not include construction information and thus might not be helpful for a beginner. But it does have scaled patterns taken from extant corsets that one can enlarge and re-size instead of starting from scratch, and the selection of dates and styles is pretty good. I've used it many, many times. I would not recommend spending money for anything Norris wrote, as he is extremely unreliable. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 22 21:05:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAN25DKj011955 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:05:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAN23qAO014064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:04:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAN22N5f060476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAN22JU6010965; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAN22G2A010923 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d60.3ad77862 (29672) for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:02:06 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a498de10-981f-4034-920c-452259dc9ed9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4928BA08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:04:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1368 Lines: 36 In a message dated 11/21/2008 8:54:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: B&W line drawings and notes. Accurate, but still drawings, not patterns or construction diagrams. There are some measurements such as sleeve length or depth of a cuff, but not something I could reproduce an outfit from. Sorry I missed the original post. While I agree with the above assessment, I think "Costume in Detail" is a MUST HAVE for anyone who is halfway serious into study of garments of this period. They provide so many details on the interior construction, plus line drawings of sources that you can then track down elsewhere. ***************** Yes, I have never actually used the book to make a garment (but in conjunction with other books and patterns, you could)...but I find it good "research" for preparing to work in a period. It's friendly in a way, easy to absorb the info. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 16:02:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANL25lW022468 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:02:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANL1xCH018930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANL1ZQk093829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANL1VHr001409; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANL1Spm001357 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY125-W30 ([65.55.130.65]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:01:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.10.8] From: Elizabeth Clark To: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:01:22 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2008 21:01:22.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4085EB0:01C94DAE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Mid-19th Century Clothing Workshops X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 162dade4-219e-4c4e-8f70-f8e1646b8776 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4929C4C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:02:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 607 Lines: 12 Please pardon the cross-post to several applicable lists! We've opened registration for two workshop series related to women's mid-19th century clothing, 1855-1865. Details and on-line registration are found at our site, linked in my signature. March 26-28 I'll be in Tempe, Arizona; June 5-7 I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida.Regards, Elizabeth Clark http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com Historic Clothing Tech Support at http://www.thesewingacademy.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 16:24:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANLOvdj023599 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:24:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANLOqx9024430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:24:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANLOdGN094745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANLOdAK009905; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (smtprelay-virgin0140.hostedemail.com [64.99.136.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANLOaFd009876 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from viv.watkins@virgin.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AC9421B9858C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:24:35 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, e8f52336cef8e4db, c1fcef0d99de72da, viv.watkins@virgin.net, h-costume@indra.com, RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1537:1566:1587:1593:1594:1711:1714:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2378:2393:2559:2562:2828:3690:3865:3866:3867:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:5007:6114:6261:8501:9040, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from shuttlesn41g (client-86-27-187-128.popl.adsl.virgin.net [86.27.187.128]) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> From: "Viv Watkins" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7ff997e-403e-4f22-8194-628f17b38eb9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4929CA24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:24:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 459 Lines: 13 This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the spool first through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful hints' books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent knots! Any thoughts? Viv. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 17:33:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANMX6jH027817 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:33:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANMX0um022997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANMWeu6097331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANMWdwD037329; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mANMWaiY037281 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUVYR6AYGNKVA for (sender ); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:32:28 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssrWJuyC3R/rV3H73ao/mLs4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2QEQR6N; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:31:35 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20081123.143039.1208.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2261024505 X-MAIL-INFO: 3debceb3cee77f7be77f67477f67df939ac3f32f6a17c3a3730e6a8ea34bae6ba327eec7eb9beb570a677a7feb47 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef6c3c47-67d1-4087-8624-6a5d4dbbe7cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4929DA1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1164 Lines: 34 Go with the grain of the thread. Run your fingers down the thread one way, then down the other way. The path of least resistance is the grain. Going against the grain can damage the thread! Arlys On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 "Viv Watkins" writes: > This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... > > I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the > spool first > through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful > hints' > books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent > knots! > > Any thoughts? > Viv. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnjXCzY3yijFTvczl70qOeFMS88BnzHO8Q88M6aA1Zru4/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 18:11:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANNBSek030292 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:11:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANNBLFl011875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:11:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANNBAqP098731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANNB9GK054667; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANNB8ZA054651 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1906148wfg.23 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hQBUEbfhXMtNGHhJ488uQ1HnxJSwMvbDFR4mvn5NMpQ=; b=EfUY7LMjy+HfBiBK0ybFHUHkyjIsV6S3B/IPaoEACe2MyBT3B6yLND35ls9+zgg8Ps efDyugHwy2q7AjCDYNL2BTA3GavVNgP3PrSDm+koQ3zMSQGQdmgGxWyZqSWImucUQqrf wwDkWl0QM2QkFPFq5Qh6/qoyhMENzyxmsJbK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=h4KgzIEEYuwPRgy611cD6Mx7LeZr+079t8bZCwz7CVagIJNbHpIJYhXMJ3Jr8OjyiI Sz6Dc98YspZKe9XUHakJ09jB4zr9QMd7EqMXYQbAAkpZ8njSGPEGeHn++l+6tRFydLGK OT+y5aBxt1DNaEY+ZkeTavpODlV1qmIRYNNQU= Received: by 10.142.70.16 with SMTP id s16mr1349734wfa.151.1227481868060; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.213.4 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590811231511j4e39661bya80a200f49301a74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:07 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081123.143039.1208.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081123.143039.1208.0.Cley@juno.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63b16cd4-f688-40d0-8127-3dd835de0f7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4929E319.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1830 Lines: 54 I don't know if it damages the thread, but I know that watching the way the twist goes into the needle means there is less knotting and frustration when I'm embroidering with silk. alex On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Go with the grain of the thread. Run your fingers down the thread one > way, then down the other way. The path of least resistance is the grain. > > Going against the grain can damage the thread! > > Arlys > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 "Viv Watkins" > writes: >> This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... >> >> I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the >> spool first >> through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful >> hints' >> books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent >> knots! >> >> Any thoughts? >> Viv. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnjXCzY3yijFTvczl70qOeFMS88BnzHO8Q88M6aA1Zru4/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 18:20:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANNKFX8030686 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:20:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANNIo7F011844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANNILcH098989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANNILPR057443; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANNIIfm057420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L4ODa-0000tz-3g for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:18:18 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081123231619.03c36a68@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:17:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <870801590811231511j4e39661bya80a200f49301a74@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20081123.143039.1208.0.Cley@juno.com> <870801590811231511j4e39661bya80a200f49301a74@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a18cedff-145a-4b35-811c-08586765584b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4929E4DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 41 At 23:11 23/11/2008, you wrote: >I don't know if it damages the thread, but I know that watching the >way the twist goes into the needle means there is less knotting and >frustration when I'm embroidering with silk. > >alex > >On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > Go with the grain of the thread. Run your fingers down the thread one > > way, then down the other way. The path of least resistance is the grain. > > > > Going against the grain can damage the thread! > > > > Arlys > > > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 "Viv Watkins" > > writes: > >> This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... > >> > >> I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the > >> spool first > >> through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful > >> hints' > >> books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent > >> knots! > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> Viv. I have to say that I have tried both ways, and if the thread is going to knot, it knots, and neither way is any better! But then that's me and the thread I use - cotton, not polyester. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 18:57:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mANNvCgk032519 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:57:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mANNv6kk022589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:57:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mANNuovo000677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mANNun0g072067; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mANNukfj072021 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 36180 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 23:56:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vltDOFKchwLQmKDdYtTLxVNkZh7WRUet/51DOxW+tFih4d16PWqkvaE7rCoH7csqf78Qw6qmNN10iAUn4vlR65LyWSoSFt+CywY4fg77uktKHWWE8VyTKRd6CvFsBg1jQ9ia24aGgi9KlgiDVaDGRmJl/VokS+kKhPMlcRPBFow=; X-YMail-OSG: NDVo744VM1lR2nTXyKMls_tTDvp3hb766p1pHYf5T2qOxiMbiCo9P2DUPUIVSwiG0A-- Received: from [68.252.49.249] by web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:56:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081123231619.03c36a68@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <204216.35371.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:57:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 965 Lines: 24 I do a lot of handwork and have found that there are so many factors involved - quality, fiber, weather, etc. - I just bypass the whole thing and coat my thread with beeswax. Gives strength to cheap thread and smooths fibers so there is less wear. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 "Viv Watkins" writes: This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the spool first through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful hints' books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent knots! Any thoughts? Viv. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 23 21:49:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAO2nhsr008243 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:49:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAO2nbVp001475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAO2nEMo016192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAO2nB3u055597; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAO2n8fY055532 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUWFSQADGLFQA for (sender ); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:48:46 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssvVP+l1ddB0vV8czJwbINMA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2QVD3ZE; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:47:53 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:32:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20081123.184729.2540.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-48,51-69 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 26:13:3752386450 X-MAIL-INFO: 0907bb13bbbef75ebef7abd3f7abfe4e478f43df1f2e8f5abffa1f875acb3f4b5a3733e3074f0777aaab7ef707d38a57ee8e6ecee76eb3e7cee77b7f5e6afa4af39af33aea1eaeeac35b5ba3ae0ec7578e0f4beaee6e3bfeaececfcf77ef37ceee X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d643eed-bfca-468c-b288-7289a18206e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 492A1641.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2534 Lines: 78 It weakens it, because what's really happening is micro-fraying when you go against the grain. Arlys On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:07 -0600 "Alexandria Doyle" writes: > I don't know if it damages the thread, but I know that watching the > way the twist goes into the needle means there is less knotting and > frustration when I'm embroidering with silk. > > alex > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Cynthia J Ley > wrote: > > Go with the grain of the thread. Run your fingers down the thread > one > > way, then down the other way. The path of least resistance is the > grain. > > > > Going against the grain can damage the thread! > > > > Arlys > > > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:25:22 -0000 "Viv Watkins" > > > writes: > >> This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... > >> > >> I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the > >> spool first > >> through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful > >> hints' > >> books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent > >> knots! > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> Viv. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo > search features. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnjXCzY3yijFTvczl70qO eFMS88BnzHO8Q88M6aA1Zru4/ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you > know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, > injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's > Friday..." ;) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIs2Z19aBTb2EoMXziS5zIg0csD3jC1cN7uLASMDmq8By/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 00:31:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAO5VBFL017086 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:31:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAO5V5Ck012274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAO5UgVW025351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAO5Ufmw021026; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAO5UbcY020999 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FEA581605 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:30:34 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPs+3m6g05Ir for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:30:34 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-247.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.247]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855755815EC for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:30:34 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:30:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Thread-Index: AclNsfh5RGlICSlbRe+USDdVbCHtmgAQvG2g Message-Id: <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:31:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 935 Lines: 28 I've always believed the same as you as that's the way it's designed to feed into a sewing machine. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Viv Watkins Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 8:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? This is not exactly historical but it is about hand-sewing, so... I have always thought that you thread the end that comes off the spool first through the needle. But today I was reading one of those 'useful hints' books which said you should thread the other end first to prevent knots! Any thoughts? Viv. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 02:41:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAO7fJrM025521 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:41:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAO7fD8Y018574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAO7eiRo029188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAO7efaS072021; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAO7ebgZ071992 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail3.netspace.net.au (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F6F695AA for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6756DB806A for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:37 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-96.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-96.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.96]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:37 +1100 Message-ID: <1227512437.492a5a755aa19@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:37 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> In-Reply-To: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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Any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 05:13:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOAD0ol001835 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:13:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOACsjb019742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:12:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOACPnZ032777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOACN63024496; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOACKKc024453 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c9f.4009c0fb (33856) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:12:11 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:12:11 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5045 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b816b58b-ac53-4bb4-8530-9d1701ff4371 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 492A7E26.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:12:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 496 Lines: 12 I've used costume in detail to make reproduction dresses. Granted, it doesn't give you patterns on a plate in the way that Arnold and Waugh do, but it gives you the detail you needs to make a fairly accurate repro when used in conjuction with a wider knowledge of pattern cutting and making up techniques of the given date. A fabulous book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 11:28:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOGSC7l019150 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:28:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOGS5XG031395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:28:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOGRgGA052707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOGRd49034270; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAOGRZZa034205 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200811241627.mAOGRZZa034205@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 08:09:59 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29175, pid: 29176, t: 0.2118s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 08:09:58 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:26:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice on books available from Amazon.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae119c35-d886-4171-8a33-d3b00edfa552 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492AD615.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1120 Lines: 27 At 02:12 AM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >I've used costume in detail to make reproduction dresses. > >Granted, it doesn't give you patterns on a plate in the way that Arnold and >Waugh do, but it gives you the detail you needs to make a fairly accurate >repro when used in conjuction with a wider knowledge of pattern cutting and >making up techniques of the given date. > >A fabulous book. I agree with you. Before commercially available historic patterns came in anywhere near my size (and were any good for historic reproductions), I had to use "Cut of Women's Clothes" and "Costume in Detail" to modify my sloper (from "The Costumers Handbook") to make my first dress for Sutter's Fort (1846). Drafting up the pattern for that dress also let me find out just how short-waisted I am and why I can't find a semi-fitted jacket in my size. I also used "Costume in Detail" to figure out the pattern for the first day cap I made. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 15:43:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOKh0Js029108 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:43:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOKgtfF017227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:42:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOKgKPx075840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOKgKQf083376; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOKgHcO083268 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBA71453E2 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:42:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <492B1179.6040607@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:41:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9037556-f93c-4045-ab68-1abca2b14454 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 492B11CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 536 Lines: 17 Maggie wrote: > Plus, I don't measure out and cut a length of thread and then thread the > needle. Who does that? I stick the end in the needle, pull the needle away > while holding onto the thread, and when it's the length (doubled) I want, I > cut it. Isn't that normal? I cut the thread before threading it. Otherwise the spool ends up on the floor and I have to chase it. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 15:45:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOKjWd1029197 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:45:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOKjQWb003441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOKOZJo074604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:24:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOKOWex068726; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOKOTxb068694 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1070525wah.15 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4FxsKJlhxgdiFRz0MhLdo0RedsZtIKYA7LTh5oBDLds=; b=T+w3o/zwiH4yEoUWp0ilkQYWFF8XRVK7RtkuHJICcvpPjEHF8aq9+FTPUDWjrQGPZ7 PPuB/sDgqyAljRl7dISaNz8/HPK1M57IajAomvq1OCol9fAXOUzkcc7mDposxI0NEAfG XW/WacIOO5v1SS3nxR//mfIX1sZ90nSo3D7S0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WBPp1jsVmAWFv/7eZjqpJaOJfVJJZlCyjNUuOnsIhOULVMbK6JkVGcSFAMn/QdpBos bX5l6z1HoSRUc/YUPbhMdFCjx2vBzeFyYIeGQlNZqwqr+GnKuslYoVJNbFk2cM+XlxFC +8ICO5iL/DgyVfVDzVArVhdE53AiWrKKPN2Ls= Received: by 10.114.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr2110772wab.35.1227558269681; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:24:29 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:45:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 31 Plus, I don't measure out and cut a length of thread and then thread the needle. Who does that? I stick the end in the needle, pull the needle away while holding onto the thread, and when it's the length (doubled) I want, I cut it. Isn't that normal? Does it it really make enough difference to totally change the way I thread a needle? Hmm, using a doubled thread, one of the two strands will always be going the opposite direction to the other anyway. So which end you thread first couldn't possibly matter. MaggiRos On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Walpole < ewalpole@grapevine.com.au> wrote: > I've always believed the same as you as that's the way it's designed to > feed > into a sewing machine. > > > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 16:04:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOL4Fsq029703 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOL46MR015016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOL3iD9077275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOL3g4H000593; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOL3df2000551 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so877231and.26 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sg8Si4PHa5WXd5OrN+XcCoum3vc/Ov7Xxp4R6l8Xsok=; b=K7oJ1885t2GdviQiXQAHZqzt62ZbetaWH8x85B3tPn41JWyS6V0MIrHqAI6s9KQQYT hxHJbOWIDBPWqrmQGqaON3da1IUicB+wnKO99vf0DFxHQh8NBniX7F5l50V3jQsaeId2 3dYavKw1noaghxaB0f26k59HI2/dK/OY8HyQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=xAbdBoCsaIVF/LBZcpYJVfzMQ7igJUG97Iu2XssrIrF9qZqZX9lFcm49z1twVaIpV5 QkFn4IC8iSyeaZLn+wWcon5MyN4a+3Fl6r1k4fK7xzWx1GYufjtLoSNHnWVH1towj3aG nou1A4OEqkwOnoMB+HTk0QFvqxZu6HVgMnEu8= Received: by 10.142.253.21 with SMTP id a21mr1816315wfi.174.1227560618242; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.199.14 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590811241303r678b855xb95b8bc74249cbbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:03:38 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa3277fe-9da6-4002-a9cd-eaffbeedec9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492B16C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1226 Lines: 31 My handsewing threads are usually one stranded. I only double up when it's a particular need- such as buttons. And I usually cut to my arm length, or so, then thread my needle. It's the way my mom taught me, and her aunties taught her... alex On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Maggie wrote: > Plus, I don't measure out and cut a length of thread and then thread the > needle. Who does that? I stick the end in the needle, pull the needle away > while holding onto the thread, and when it's the length (doubled) I want, I > cut it. Isn't that normal? Does it it really make enough difference to > totally change the way I thread a needle? > > Hmm, using a doubled thread, one of the two strands will always be going the > opposite direction to the other anyway. So which end you thread first > couldn't possibly matter. > > MaggiRos > > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 16:53:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAOLrJ4w031171 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:53:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOLrDjr014558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAOLqo16080505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOLqn1v040974; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOLqjWf040882 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPA id 1837022527 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:52:45 -0600 Message-ID: <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g><20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:53:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 18:33:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAONXh6W005832 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:33:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAONXcPf029174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:33:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAONXDwI086992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAONX9AP013505; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAONX7mI013473 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1100949wah.15 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=B1/6KvRZCIniFRoOpCjrQ7jTWDP2HQ1E2WJe0301EyQ=; b=X6/2QwzVht3Luu5Cz/vm0hTd54L3w3qFxhNGYp4iBSiuGT1Cw2KMAcl8d+I/WKPcEA hLhLEJQyj7J/F6N4xfV1nOPsX0qYkBsD834JwXH4oASlmMIR+o7sDLjVgDW9nAhgT7HG MkiVexBf9PJ2NWolzLy8cU92A4ayQlyHFfZxc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=EEECWGfsxQFwpJ+XExd2kcPQDmadX8CRaPthtI3jFXmnLyVADQClCsW2T43eT/zqLf VKijlPItyHvmigvs0N/X088l6jZxQCIL0zymS69LCvMovtPajPJkKk0rWj9hbOpF1YrG chL98c/KG5O2qMHgkLJFE0CMouyJYv770icsk= Received: by 10.114.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr2247899way.103.1227569587183; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:07 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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The only hand > sewing I do is buttons or the occasional hem. > > Denise B -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 24 18:35:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAONZX5S005956 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:35:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAONZSUG031426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:35:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAONYolV087092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAONYonr014620; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAONYlTj014569 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1101227wah.15 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UDf6lxj8RUcI3N485KUfWXqbS7LoTZhCRRtq4kqObmk=; b=NAcYHmYUVecwmvwI+m805y+YczuaHiH8qjKL/QgBVKuUF9Yvk0aqmYkBGitPO22Zo4 H33HxIyDdjmyBnknsJ+mfxPHepe7IfiFCGHw4TTjsUvbPhrR7sr6gN99ICZu+x8lKFeL rtiJIR4v6MrKdAN8c6OpPfHPXypZypmX7deA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=PSOjfh5BCpSd21t9bAlxSK11HDxACXCyONk+CFiim5lD1EzS3QKF7JslPgBfJXlQsx Sj/3ZzXWU09xssQPMnscpaCCwBGIhj/nOO6tR1eJNyIHWge5W2XR3nnrOkKCjvat7RmD Pc3w9Af5aS0Gt24mQXclNigJpL8TuLohQUKIc= Received: by 10.114.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr2244245wau.147.1227569686867; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.15.1 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0811241534g7e3f3778h183da94c71e90e92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:46 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:35:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 841 Lines: 25 If I cut then thread, I tend to drop either the thread, the needle or the spool. Threading first means that during most of the time, I only have to hold on to two things. Maggie, it looks as if we're in the minority. LynnD On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Land of Oz wrote: > > Plus, I don't measure out and cut a length of thread and then thread the >> needle. Who does that? >> > > Me. I pull out a length, cut, then thread the needle. The only hand > sewing I do is buttons or the occasional hem. > > Denise B > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 25 03:37:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAP8bB3s022848 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAP8b5LS020848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:37:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAP8VhYV010948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAP8Vddu090921; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:31:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAP8Vam7090856 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c15.2cbdc2b1 (65100) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:31:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5045 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c726dac2-4d9f-4821-88eb-97797ee05020 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 492BB932.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:37:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 680 Lines: 19 In theory, it should be that you thread the end that comes off the spool first - although it does depend on the thread - in theory, if you compare the two ends one will be 'tulip shaped', and that's the end you should thread. In reality I agree with Suzi - if it's going to knot, it's going to knot! Beeswax is the only thing I've ever used that's stopped it, and even then not completely. I have found thought that if a length of thread knots more than once it's best to simply finish that piece and replace it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 25 11:35:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAPGZjfs026215 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:35:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAPGZd3H014740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAPGYYEp036970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAPGYUid085842; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAPGYODQ085645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:35:56 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:35:53 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? Thread-Index: AclOjU7BReRdcZxFTGabYHabAktSgwAjhytw Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B2C6329@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <008801c94db1$ff1cd6c0$80bb1b56@shuttlesn41g> <20081124053034.855755815EC@flexo.grapevine.net.au> <02ff01c94e7f$0fc0da80$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:35:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 736 Lines: 15 That's what habit (or training) does. Everyone around me always cut off the thread first - I never thought to leave it on. It sounds much less conducive to tangling that way. I'll have to try it (when I actually unearth my sewing projects, that is ;-p) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? Wow, I had no idea. If I did that, the thread would be knotted up before I ever got to the threading part. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 25 11:49:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAPGn6j5027044 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:49:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAPGn01S025899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAPGmLQO037758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAPGmLCb000404; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAPGmIau000323 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200811251648.mAPGmIau000323@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 28734 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 08:30:39 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28721, pid: 28723, t: 0.4159s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 08:30:39 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:46:20 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Announcing Limited Time Sale on Light Weight 100% Linen! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:49:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1678 Lines: 47 I thought that some of the list members might be interested in this sale. >:-} Joan >To: "Joan Jurancich" >From: "Fabrics-Store.com Chronicle" >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:04:04 -0500 > >Subject: Joan, Announcing Limited Time Sale on Light Weight 100% Linen! > >Dear Joan, >Light weight 100% linen fabric "IL020" is now on Sale! > >IL020 - 3.5 ounces a yard 100% linen is one of the finest linen >fabrics available in the world. > >IL020, better known as Handkerchief linen, has an incredibly gentle >hand, is woven using fine staple threads and has very few slubs. > >The thread can be this fine without weakening the fabric because it >is made from long staple flax. > >IL020 linen fabric application is often seen in: > * Couture Women and Men Clothing; > * Reenactment Costumes; > * Embroidered Bedding; > * Christening Gowns and Altar Linens; > * Curtains; > * Sleepwear; > >The finesse of this easy in care, handkerchief linen makes it a >favorite among people who love luxurious, comfortable surroundings. > >For this week, only until Sunday November 30th, randomly selected >colors of IL020 are at an additional 10% off. >Enter >here to go directly to the discounted light weight 100% linen and save 10%! > >Thank you and enjoy, > >Nikolai Karpushin >Owner and President, >Fabrics-store.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 26 21:27:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAR2RZdf016015 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:27:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAR2RTbP020876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:27:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAR2Qp3w076913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAR2QlwD054192; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAR2Qh3H054169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.6] (dial-209-148-98-6.sonic.net [209.148.98.6] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAR2QgLp003187 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: <492E0564.2090103@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:26:44 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Jewelry seller on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86daacca-9f53-4e11-9ae1-4d30bfc25515 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 492E0591.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:27:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 591 Lines: 17 In case you need more items to add to your holiday gift request ist: www.alisonjuliencollection.com This eBay seller specializes in very large real gem pendants, rings, etc. The stones are eye clean, impressive, and well cut. The settings are not specifically historic looking, but they are simple and classic. The service and prices are fantastic. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing and needlework! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 27 09:29:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mARET5wh003153 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mARESwHL022747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:29:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mARESXj9011286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mARESTch072339; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mARESQgD072248 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.44]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:28:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.139.17.30] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:28:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2008 14:28:20.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[656C5AD0:01C9509C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Glove Collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c7b20f4-c9ca-4d05-b08e-6af754be7706 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 492EAEAA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:29:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 359 Lines: 13 A friend of mine found this on a Knitting list she frequents, I thought folks here would enjoy this as well: http://2-minute-website.com/site/trustfund.trial/Spence-Collection-at-Bath-23390-23417 Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 27 15:13:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mARKD00v019667 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:13:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mARKBUrT018014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mARKAs0O032869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mARKApI9069469; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:10:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mARKAoMO069446 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so525586wah.15 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:10:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=yFNuvaYZFNflKJmVOBlNlXN3Q4yGBuR16UCxz5wrcGI=; b=OETT5salkwcwSfilYvpWFv/mSVzDTP2Ps5PTzk0VkMjYtrgTUv+8NqSQsGpOKjc/Ax IgX8961YyPrRylbmCHYTLXt1bsCS2hMqIB8h9OZr1PpjJgjT+pvO19AhZWK3GQkWNSig W/IK4ItqzHPezFrTBA1e/u1aI8mUUlCNg6nps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=OYIxAQEEIja3KeBYAyeyXix6EglByutc3HnR9uImtf7o8G/qeWcnBIV81vWdwDcoro uqLaUYney9Pf+fnNTtwZjEOkQJkaFnRlXdHsTQy3MZPPLdJOjgIqENylHCyTyea073rV 5wSypXaO41ZEHpmNP3t7DnIiRCFp28P1t8BY4= Received: by 10.114.159.17 with SMTP id h17mr4150766wae.124.1227816649293; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q20sm214334pog.21.2008.11.27.12.10.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:10:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclQnJAhb9XaoEkuR4SyHEsgIb2EBQALuSoQ Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <492efec7.14da600a.091f.40eb@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glove Collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9b0b417-f0ba-4fad-aaae-a9d6ee876593 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 492EFEF2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thread-Index: AclROzCB719CurcvRIq8ZS10c7ys5Q== Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012CEF@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Which end of the thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 199c11c6-38c6-4f35-a8fe-b15d6daa25f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 492FB91B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:25:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 447 Lines: 9 My late aunt (born 1911) once saw me struggling with a knotted thread and told me that you should always thread the end that came off the spool. Since then I've always threaded my needle before cutting so as not to lose it. I still get knots, though! Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 28 09:47:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mASEliMv028115 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:47:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mASElc1u029310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:47:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mASElAJ0072148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mASEl7aF010309; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mASEl3G4010281 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.142581174; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:44 0000 Received: from dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg02.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.224]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id mASEkh209408.; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:44 GMT Received: from MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:38:08 +0000 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.41]) with mapi; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:43 +0000 From: Kate Bunting To: H-costume list Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:41 +0000 Thread-Topic: Stockings query Thread-Index: AclRaCBQ1CbWv5D9T5ujZuubIsFWmg== Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012E86@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Stockings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9eea4826-fdeb-4a90-b776-0fbed3562c30 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4930048A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:47:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 476 Lines: 9 In some sets of instructions for knitting period stockings, you are told to "fold the heel flap in half". I'm a fairly experienced knitter, but I can't make sense of this. Can anyone advise? I assume it means to fold the flap edge-to-edge rather than to double it back on itself. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 28 10:51:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mASFpQxT000697 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:51:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mASFpKV8002091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mASFomsr075095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mASFokUD041555; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:50:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mASFogqm041521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:50:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.210] (core-dc-1-210.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mASFoab0004025 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:50:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012E86@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012E86@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Message-Id: <3A064F77-1AC9-4E6A-9899-54807EC87639@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:50:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stockings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48bf3870-1e6c-4636-be5d-6b5d99123f84 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49301378.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:51:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2058 Lines: 74 Hi Kate, Good thing you have 17th century in your signature =97 that's the = period for your stockings, right? Ok so at the ankle, you're holding the stitches at the front = and knitting the heel flap. Then you have to form the part that cups = around the heel. Knit halfway across the heel flap. When you fold it in half, the "raw" edge (The part you just = knitted) should be touching itself. The fold is vertical. That "raw" edge is then finished/attached to itself with a 3- = needle bindoff. Kitchener had not been invented yet, but some people = like to do that for a smoother join. Starting from the center (back = of the heel) join the two edges, ending at the bottom/underneath the = heel. You will end up with the heel flap shaped like a corner. = That's a "common heel." There are ways of shaping a little bit so = it's rounder instead of having that little point at the corner, but = the point is perfectly correct for 17thC. So you have this heel pocket, and the edge is all the side of = the knitting. You pick up stitches from that edge, and knit out = sideways (along with the stitches from the top of the ankle) to make = the foot. I was looking around on the web, I thought someone had stocking = instructions with illustrations of one in progress. I hope this clarifies it! You may also want to try the Historic = Knit list, or check out Ravelry.com for more resources. -Carol On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Kate Bunting wrote: > In some sets of instructions for knitting period stockings, you are = > told to "fold the heel flap in half". I'm a fairly experienced = > knitter, but I can't make sense of this. Can anyone advise? I = > assume it means to fold the flap edge-to-edge rather than to double = > it back on itself. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 01:43:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAT6htxs002193 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAT6hnLP030737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAT6hX3g029388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAT6hUvt064438; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAT6hQql064390 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c8f.37cd3efd (34919) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA034-5bb84930e48230b; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:15 -0500 Received: from webmail-da08 (webmail-da08.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.203]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA027-5bb84930e48230b; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:14 -0500 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:14 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 69.242.128.195 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 69.242.128.195 by webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:43:14 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2004E35CAB78-A40-EF4@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Women in armor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c52bbfe-38f9-4e9c-a607-756ad14020e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4930E4A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks in advance, Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 03:54:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAT8swFn006230 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:54:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAT8sqcJ015567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAT8sLAU033014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAT8sJGf011480; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAT8sHng011466 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so1720222qbc.11 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=F0AuiymjAjSkeaCNsn0CsHsTXdV9qZ5GrRqNL6XIDxE=; b=gRsMMWHdhrsvOjsk65LJ57WYW5xOovY7aKtqSlaB+E4sW3e1V6C399x48W8cZ0uGdC UpYIObWs0wYnqhuJAq45z27O0FoyZ0Ta5N2t0LDCP/u23DCh3m8NNptDPPcppXVYQ0XD A+/5tpLa6bH8jSH9beVp5KoVgHRNIhe/O2W+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=VWKP/Rs6UCIlW0oDbYCbGv48hS0zfX9PtY3Ptv+C9xjJeiy4UgbK8azCLP08bwnnyA y+LXkz8rbanMuwAq71vG/grX97+4aE5yJ766zsGu5orpMp2Lxiou72/rm86+yKYa7Wwp FBC65iDcd4It9Ip4jcMKBxuqu0mybEqC6Ol1o= Received: by 10.142.207.8 with SMTP id e8mr3674271wfg.30.1227948856536; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm1549796wff.17.2008.11.29.00.54.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8CB2004E35CAB78-A40-EF4@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB2004E35CAB78-A40-EF4@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclR7e/b3RGrIIb/QTGNvV6EfyxuvQAD4rCw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <49310336.18068e0a.44fb.ffff9e13@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in armor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebf47183-fd30-49bd-931f-72054f409e9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4931035C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:06:24 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129090515.03c2b908@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:06:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <49310336.18068e0a.44fb.ffff9e13@mx.google.com> References: <8CB2004E35CAB78-A40-EF4@webmail-da08.sysops.aol.com> <49310336.18068e0a.44fb.ffff9e13@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in armor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:06:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1344 Lines: 49 At 08:54 29/11/2008, you wrote: >How about good old Joan = >http://www.allposters.com/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=3D1869579&imgloc=3D1= 7-1741-MZX3D00Z.jpg&imgwidth=3D670&imgheight=3D894&sc=3DFalse&ct=3DIngres,%= 20Jean-Auguste-Dominique%20Mary%20Evans%20POD&cw=3D20&ch=3D20 = >=E2=99=AB Chiara Francesca > -----Original = >Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com = >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf = >Of tearoses@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, = >2008 10:43 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > = >Subject: [h-cost] Women in armor > > Hi all, > > = >I was wondering if anyone here collects pictures = >of women in armor? I'm > thinking of making a = >suit for a doll, so "fantasy" or "Saintswear" = >is > perfectly fine, from any European period. I = >know there are a couple of > Roman de la Rose = >manuscripts that have pictures of a woman in = >armor, > though I've never found out what her = >story is. Any others? > > And what would be a = >good book to use for a source for Gothic or > = >Renaissance armor? > > Thanks in advance, > Tea Rose > This seems to default to "Allposters" - you have = to type in "Joan of Arc" in the search box. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 05:33:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATAXC7x009245 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATAX6NF001483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATAWlkS036985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATAWgVW052275; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATAWdfT052223 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69096 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 10:32:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hohH/pz77uH8QjBfg9lzsHqcYS9SRsWJ8jBJngrZHuHfUrGGJkCuT+/6Efagv94V4YLc5DSkvU7h8a0oDZeCZ8gHnXzEyu0JRSZj0YgUDpXIPr71maefUlbDM9bGLop9JM8ojAuYECyr/hVzxGw1E1xH+T4Mibx7Ge4J2XWtbaA=; X-YMail-OSG: _DvRTzAVM1lXpVSaItcIlTdmfcRLUe7HZ.J7SwxEtymm7zBi8fr6PVAsA_x6OLXWH7ldpo8IAdbDLYHPTTL8UbgCY5nD0L7cFKpfNHomdOSeiRfD1Uxj1YgLwnstbOYQI5FADhjD_H0.iL2uykOtBtrhd_X8SMc7F5clfsY4PZCTWR74mtgwGoHfkUhoxQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:32:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:32:33 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Toyota sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41968458-d73b-43a2-8d25-d08f5e0ed87a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49311A62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:33:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 937 Lines: 19 Hi, This might be OT, but I really don't know where else to ask and I haven't found any reviews - my friend is a beginning to intermediate sewer, but she doesn't have any sewing machine except for a badly-working, loud Singer. She wants to take a step forward and buy a new machine. She would also dream of a serger, but buying two machines would take her out of her budget. I've just seen someone selling a brand new Toyota serger for $125!! http://www.strickmaschine.de/machines/over/700-620.htm I know Toyotas are not the top brand, but what do you think - would it be worth the price? Do you have any experience with this brand? Would you buy this serger and replace it perhaps later for a better machine, when your sewing skills would improve? Thanks for advice, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 06:30:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATBUjkq011646 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:30:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATBTPOP032467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATBSsgc038583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATBSshK075309; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATBSoYG075255 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70059 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 11:28:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=brYxlVkaYLkvPcsqzkLFMsjJI/FXjxnZ2tDyQFpmqPuKc9WONDJznNfB2W+Peik2dYlI7f0u62o6gjQ3G8MjNWifyuzyHChXQHtFL7vN6HDKDKfs2n5C9yHcEAYVWcmhm17GtVA7ORjMLKT1HEI9ona/XHU0MOI2gN9hU0FECVY=; X-YMail-OSG: DsrVyrcVM1n4OXpiZgHu6iFqCOI_qyuZdyTRgz2LAwdtuFni68u18h_SnIqSdcgpeh2WN4okrF56ukS42akZjobUpoAiYc64Qe7okkonkhVQ5Q3pHTpdMzitEbVNdM4xNh1tmmIF0tgpsAb613sJ_KKb_rm3Byob2MnTLk4zSye2oadBqoiwYAqb.tY- Received: from [87.244.67.80] by web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:28:44 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:28:44 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52688533-5706-46a4-a7dc-31e63e5b7d53 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49312795.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:25:21 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:25:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; 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I have done an = >internet search - but - due to my online = >ineptitude, I have no doubt,=C2 - have not found = >any answers we can readily understand. with = >thanks for your clarifications, "Lord Matthew Baker", of the SCA-[UK] A serger is what we in England call an = overlocker. If you are making authentic method = clothing you do not need one. It stitches over = the edge of your fabric, usually cutting off any = surplus fabric outside the stitch line and = leaving a neat edge. You will find such an edge = on most seams of most modern garments. The over = edge stitch can also be done by hand, a more = authentic solution for a period garment. The idea = is no neaten the edge and prevent it from fraying. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 09:42:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATEgZSu018470 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:42:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATEgUrT003394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATEg5fW049253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATEg1GA064995; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATEfvTG064905 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12537 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 14:41:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=csqWgn4BKKZBaONjdtZZFIMkVfNpJcopxGtoo0gBvQQyYLhKq3qnJrBajQMKX+MyiqbVNVjsOwK2YSCZFhGDSUczFocKlMw8s7wA0D1+dUbRS62yLzqnqE+fFj64BQq0OAJUZxzpByx9zhkuO5r/b4c2b8opcb/ZudUHPPvRv0g=; X-YMail-OSG: NJfjMKwVM1lgLBk8K90RYJnxEMPGAUxQhNztaOqPtZr7kPV5v.r8YcZExvoNkx9Y88jdVV03LsrV1iVHvsDhZQEnyilQk6trku_WtVLD4R63LnkLNrVnUJOLuiOxAdSEPHVGzrcPuhliJ7IyRxNA0QSxvTx5VO.tfijGte8c2syRw7EGZ5WUvvKiHUg- Received: from [87.244.67.80] by web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:51 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <807206.12088.qm@web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b0ab3aa-213b-4efa-8547-7dae5bd305a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493154D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:42:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 765 Lines: 22 -- On Sat, 29/11/08, Suzi Clarke wrote: At 11:28 29/11/2008, you wrote: > Gentles of the Historic costume List, just for the education of my House, who are still muddling along making medieval garb SNIPPED FOR BREVITY with thanks for your clarifications, "Lord Matthew Baker", of the SCA-[UK] A serger is what we in England call an overlocker. SNIPPED FOR BREVITY The over edge stitch can also be done by hand, a more authentic solution for a period garment. The idea is no neaten the edge and prevent it from fraying. Suzi THANKS - TYVM, Suzi Season's greetings to you and yours, Matthew - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 11:29:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATGT3hb022390 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:29:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATGRcgO020627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATGM1J8053598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATGLxfJ011223; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATGLuFF011157 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220E6D9810 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:21:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <49316BF5.4050305@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:21:09 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toyota sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9bac98b-0926-4441-ad15-3041e4eb3391 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49316D7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:28:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 771 Lines: 18 Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I know Toyotas are not the top brand, but what do you think - would it be worth the price? Do you have any experience with this brand? Would you buy this serger and replace it perhaps later for a better machine, when your sewing skills would improve? I suspect that if you look around you can find several machines from different makers in that price range. I know they are abundant here in the US. The thing to do is sit down at the machine and do some test sewing to see if it works better than the one she currently has. For most historical sewing you need only a straight stitch. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 14:23:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATJNbgM028919 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATJNVrn001162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATJN5se062021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATJN2Am096112; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATJMxMB096060 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from susang45@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVDFWHAE9F29J for (sender ); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:22:47 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: cb/ea7bePhVMh7FNTl3OU+SkyFg0IfXMwNhiV6wm2LksKAFoQhDo6A== Received: (from susang45@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N27H9RJ6; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:21:54 PST Received: from [69.218.221.63] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:21:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.218.221.63] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "susang45@juno.com" Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:21:13 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081129.142113.2303.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1667208873 X-MAIL-INFO: 3feded8940214519c47d55383015111100b4943511b435942dc931b475d12d9994f499b9b43505899454ed897ded11a538794574 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|susang45@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toyota sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b164d17-ca6f-4299-8425-d38b03c18013 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 493196B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:23:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1483 Lines: 34 I have a Toyota I bought in the late '80's, early '90's. It's very basic and has been working fine for me. It is no more tempermental than the sergers I have used in costume shops. I dont know about the current amchines though. Susan If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? A. Einstein Hi, This might be OT, but I really don't know where else to ask and I haven't found any reviews - my friend is a beginning to intermediate sewer, but she doesn't have any sewing machine except for a badly-working, loud Singer. She wants to take a step forward and buy a new machine. She would also dream of a serger, but buying two machines would take her out of her budget. I've just seen someone selling a brand new Toyota serger for $125!! http://www.strickmaschine.de/machines/over/700-620.htm I know Toyotas are not the top brand, but what do you think - would it be worth the price? Do you have any experience with this brand? Would you buy this serger and replace it perhaps later for a better machine, when your sewing skills would improve? Thanks for advice, Zuzana ____________________________________________________________ Click now for a huge selection of name brand automotive tools! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbvsWPIptQGAOVuJpnholtcCddXxUhCHsellMr9mwoM7Wjmz2/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 17:47:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATMlZKO004961 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:47:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATMlF7O027171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATMkjSv069127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATMkglg080893; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATMkdlF080831 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18711 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 22:46:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=oiaQIx7hB3ZMGgCzN0SyD/ZmDl31eml86Obt+66ZsojROmZqQ2ZKBi0MfTypdDsQdLUKJE3+09bCDKhOpthtQOi0iPdz2g2zvarrwQFcem2cn+JeIeuOI/4N22pmVNwglDHy+7nc0OZHm9otdzYiIg5v6LOJrYzl19/x5zWBs5s=; X-YMail-OSG: lmSMC18VM1m8mslA8.E0.aKkmrFF1f7YvR3nhQdI7peycsuOlEUX8lEq3st3cUoVp57uzG.tip9E0OAlKQdalN82uMWSI.WBuTVARCk31U4g41GVdgpHgcLd_feFfsoIGFZhVKbKppj6UhbVeoMrrPE6luQsqbkql1d926WcOk.BiHFwAYTvrdw_eSvL Received: from [69.229.118.65] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:46:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <123200.18015.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2f2a91a-9af9-465c-a122-6477e7c20cae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4931C673.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1816 Lines: 23 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, julian wilson wrote: > what are the advantages of having a serger for use in the > making of replica historical fabric items? Greetings Lord Matthew, It took me many years to actually acquire a serger/overlocker for my historical costumes, which I ended up buying a low-end Brother for my simple needs. It works well for finishing edges, like I have for my skirts, since I don't always fully line my skirts, depending on fabric. I have one early 16th century linen camping dress where I hand sewed the bodice completely, but serged & machine stitched the skirt, since I found that I do not have the time or patience to hand sew long seams like on skirts. And since I wanted the dress for the heat of the summer, the skirts are not lined. I did hand sew the hem up (serged the edge, then turned once), and hand sewed the skirt to the edge of the bodice. The serged edges help to prevent the fraying that linen otherwise loves to do. That said, I most often use a serger when making modern clothing or costumes for my kids, and it has helped speed up the finishing of edges before I sew the pieces together with my regular sewing machine. My daughters velvet dress is nicely finished for the most part, although I did forget to finish some parts, which need to be done now by hand. So, in my limited experience, it works best as a time saving edge finisher when I am not concerned with 100% historically accurate costumes or I am making modern garments. It otherwise collects dust (thankfully it is usually covered). My main sewing machine is used a lot more. Kimiko (aka Joan Silvertoppe in the SCA) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 17:50:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mATMoraD005047 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:50:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mATMojXY017184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:50:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mATMoYcF069270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATMoY77082489; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mATMoWfH082433 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1992 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 22:50:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BwRZVjJw1SnVMbn2WBc+nKj5gv/OKNt7SMLCL0g+aQTSONbgNTMxkZFgc1vt7k+OCMgtnpKStjfnoh7KafcIzwGIHOQZINnLmXpD6kRJjRBWxyFnOI0YlDni3pGtu5AXra0g+EZ/gi4iXaHN7ym+/FbBtR6ewI9iMQCGdOv3gEM=; X-YMail-OSG: E8Vk6zYVM1mwRP8VtQbyYxhMaeBWz9UystKXlVQts79LFd8EKbgdrnoUsTAG5BkkclL6DRZSbgNTmdGMTUyfxDJsYnSjH6jZl3DjJBtlxBQzo4H.h1ZTdcPvaQdTotWzoU.cFWpez0_KXNghNOogyADIWeWfA9o1cXQh9NP3ZZ2BAczrj6fzxs.A9Csx Received: from [69.229.118.65] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:50:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <232388.69062.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <972152.1861.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toyota sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6772104-3964-4c57-99b0-a6f0f6f3ebd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4931C745.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1056 Lines: 25 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I haven't found any reviews - my friend is a > beginning to intermediate sewer, but she doesn't have > any sewing machine except for a badly-working, loud Singer. > She wants to take a step forward and buy a new machine. She > would also dream of a serger, but buying two machines would > take her out of her budget. I don't have any suggestion on the Toyota. I would suggest looking at this site for machine reviews. http://sewing.patternreview.com/ However, if the machine she has right now is not working well for her, I would highly recommend that she look at upgrading her regular machine now, and get a simple serger at a later point. Sergers are nice for what they do, but they do not replace a good sewing machine. That is where I would invest some money, even for a good quality used machine. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 29 20:59:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAU1xZEm011148 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:59:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAU1xT30000322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:59:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAU1x6eJ075766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAU1x3R8052943; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAU1x0Z1052918 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:59:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Gq8H14At5sGecnhieBocQGFXewma4AcH8xYcZSBNP7/xMBgYOi+7NLIDTbfHAOsb; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.105.203.80] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L6baO-0004N1-Dj for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:59:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012E86@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> References: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012E86@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Message-Id: <06BAB4D7-D9C8-4FCD-985D-62A56B24D0B3@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:52:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cb5276b2d9c1ab7977d9330933cf63837350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.203.80 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stockings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4123a8e1-181c-43f2-8cd0-4ef37ae951e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4931F381.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:59:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1595 Lines: 38 On Nov 28, 2008, at 6:46 AM, Kate Bunting wrote: > In some sets of instructions for knitting period stockings, you are > told to "fold the heel flap in half". I'm a fairly experienced > knitter, but I can't make sense of this. Can anyone advise? I > assume it means to fold the flap edge-to-edge rather than to double > it back on itself. I actually teach beginning knitters this heel, because not only is it period for before 1600, it's easy to see how it works. Getting a tube of knitting to turn through a right angle is pretty mysterious if you try to imagine how to do it. If you'd like to see pictures, I have these: http://chrisknit.blogspot.com/2007/12/pre-literate-stockings.html There's also a link on that page to download the pattern I wrote. It's for worsted-weight yarn, so it makes rather a heavy stocking, but I wrote it that way because I wanted beginning stocking knitters to be able to finish something more quickly. If anyone else wants to try the pattern, BTW, I'd welcome "beta testers" and feedback. (So far, the main problem people seem to have is if they need to size it up for stouter legs. I can see I'm going to have to work on that....) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 03:15:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAU8FpYU024166 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:15:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAU8FjaO028828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAU8FNC4087732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAU8FJ1E070347; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAU8FHmE070309 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12180 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 08:15:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vMe1zRlANK1CutQqW6L63hoR3ug2iEDAY5NLFQkHHixays1FHRwW8AMUuCWuvkl75iwXGMdAI3oLA92mmeW0vLJi0jYCDFYB2Hhzhw4xC3INBP2BucYP+6T0KvyUP4+dQ90xMLZ+j/WjAE9qVZTN49iP4B7OhMMxqLqAYJ8DAcs=; X-YMail-OSG: qhgHHtcVM1lJrI19TN7TryMnQO_e.eYdK15YUpPbnDFcr6zc3XLOmbWIXSBN3PUiJo9XHdtrElbVG3Fwu5OsGjA8TzR5ObKFckGygD0i12q..TVnkXKlrJRGo2z.CaqJ6auL2sDldgxrKBuJYlnCM62MGdtEPPdnmuu9CKvy Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:11 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <972152.1861.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <891199.11355.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toyota sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e81006d-977a-4b56-99f6-a8159cdda68e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49324BB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:15:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 428 Lines: 10 Yeah, I didn't say that clear - she thought if the serger was for such a low price, she could buy both serger and a regular sewing machine. I think Janome has some cheap but quality machines - or she could get one old straight stitch machine - these are the best:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 10:50:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAUFovFe015251 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:50:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAUFopSE000627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAUFoT6u001486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAUFoPqL039174; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAUFoLtI039073 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 973 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 15:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=c++6aXU54B8EndKdK57o2qrnNtscrTFUszJ4S4E+zI2UCRYDkNX+rerRM6hcWAlejqHjS5yoRXspiNqDHD9hYUvqrVzIspwUz4QJuG9jyzTMe7N/82QHhfk2NMRrCIfcy933csSKwswAsmjkRRK1esx0ITOHMqa4MvTFJGNSehI=; X-YMail-OSG: O7Kan3QVM1mjUteKDH5Y8VirUCWLVlMjkKOyOjjUHPftUFGPr15WhCVj3lcq1i5v_Z7cRyMuLeK2KL8jXVf03an6Ix4kc4uigBCmhx5_FocsjvSjSR34JzGAMHwqSL4qwM4BvXYDBovhZ2bq5_Om6UbUR2G7IbQlbc6.COzULeLVsrbvkaOiD4FOHIA- Received: from [87.244.67.80] by web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:50:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:50:16 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <186515.394.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c26f607-b099-4ee2-a596-e3e27ebcc986 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4932B65B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:26:14 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130162204.03c1e2c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:26:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <186515.394.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> <186515.394.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 382039d1-725d-4603-8892-55d1cd5fe54f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4932BEB6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1625 Lines: 64 At 15:50 30/11/2008, you wrote: >Many thanks to Suzi, Kimiko, and others of this = >List who have clarified for my House and I just = >what a "serger" does, and what use such a = >machine might be for us in our"Third = >Age"=C2 living-history hobby. From your comments = >I suspect a serger might be a substantial = >time-saver - since all of the garb we make is = >only to "pass the 10-foot Rule" [" if it looks = >OK from 10 feet away, that's good enough" - so = >using a serger on interior seams sound good to = >us],=C2 - we have so many projects we wish to = >accomplish "in the limited time & budgets ofour = >declining years" that we have given-up the idea = >of trying for "museum-replica" quality in our = >equipment. Tnhaks once again, =C2 "Matthew Baker" [aka Julian Wilson in 20= 08] In that case, see if you can find a second hand = industrial "Singer" or Jones" or "Bernina". They = are sturdier that those made for the domestic = market and although tricky to thread sometimes, = seem to do a better job, in my opinion. I have a = second hand 3 thread Singer industrial I bought = over 20 years ago, and the only time it had to be = fixed was when I sewed over a pin and threw the = timing off and blunted the blade that cuts the = fabric. Three threads gives you a finished edge, = by the way, and is the basic minimum - in my = opinion you really don't need anything with more = threads, if all you want to do is finish edges. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 16:22:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAULM6KG028270 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:22:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAULM1gs023301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAULLWgp022334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAULLT2i098050; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAULLRmX098031 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2435372fkk.15 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mGXnxwFUywc09xRSyC8f7vBQlFjpLvTABmdTaE777zo=; b=ooaQ7tzf+ljlXD7VurRwMEzMbgjJn5fpDdnivXMfsUhBlYYyMZSvmePvKrnL4obEs2 V8BlHvat+9al3REOhv40oB8UjcDA7JgcNbpn9qJ1UStu9lUEirRVB1ujQsq8I8fvGtrE Oh8Uycr6XZ+hH2o1yeOJOqEHsc0i4U87G3jaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=azqbdd5BsIgICZd4zvbw+7H7F/pFm6iIuD7Fd7b+xzaLmkHdgbW8gN3lNwfUClQZ/e swlelfS42gzGWePgt0ADBrmn4jDUXwnitZdZjj0wh3tIGLkWURxr6MUWy3Oe4mtOn5fa yKMP2U71OGVxK+RKzXQkyHNe7/yoxLJWcVLTI= Received: by 10.187.223.6 with SMTP id a6mr2453341far.53.1228080086707; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.191.1 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90811301321r578d7201v68fda70a85ad1830@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:26 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130162204.03c1e2c0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> <186515.394.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081130162204.03c1e2c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b53b1338-2631-44e4-b6d5-673690e9ff69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493303F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:22:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2153 Lines: 60 Suzi, Just a point of note - If you are to make impeccably accurate costumes of a pre-industrial period then there were no overlockers (sergers), but I would still use it to make good quality clothing. :) One function I find my overlocker is really useful for is rolled hems... were rolled hems used on clothing prior to 1901? Sidney P.S. Thanks to all those who responded to my earlier email on costume books, thanks, order going in for Christmas shortly. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 15:50 30/11/2008, you wrote: > >> Many thanks to Suzi, Kimiko, and others of this List who have clarified >> for my House and I just what a "serger" does, and what use such a machine >> might be for us in our"Third Age"=C2 living-history hobby. From your co= mments >> I suspect a serger might be a substantial time-saver - since all of the = garb >> we make is only to "pass the 10-foot Rule" [" if it looks OK from 10 feet >> away, that's good enough" - so using a serger on interior seams sound go= od >> to us],=C2 - we have so many projects we wish to accomplish "in the lim= ited >> time & budgets ofour declining years" that we have given-up the idea of >> trying for "museum-replica" quality in our equipment. Tnhaks once again,= =C2 >> "Matthew Baker" [aka Julian Wilson in 2008] >> > > In that case, see if you can find a second hand industrial "Singer" or > Jones" or "Bernina". They are sturdier that those made for the domestic > market and although tricky to thread sometimes, seem to do a better job, = in > my opinion. I have a second hand 3 thread Singer industrial I bought over= 20 > years ago, and the only time it had to be fixed was when I sewed over a p= in > and threw the timing off and blunted the blade that cuts the fabric. Three > threads gives you a finished edge, by the way, and is the basic minimum -= in > my opinion you really don't need anything with more threads, if all you w= ant > to do is finish edges. > > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 17:48:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAUMmwLD031580 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:48:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAUMmo7V021176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAUMmVU0026067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAUMmTYx035287; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:48:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAUMmPog035268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-116-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.116.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L6v5U-0002qx-RZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:48:25 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130222933.03c2e7c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:36:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <674184e90811301321r578d7201v68fda70a85ad1830@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081129122136.03c16418@suziclarke.co.uk> <186515.394.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081130162204.03c1e2c0@suziclarke.co.uk> <674184e90811301321r578d7201v68fda70a85ad1830@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1190c872-8370-4de7-88bb-5f555024e0a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49331852.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:48:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1363 Lines: 33 At 21:21 30/11/2008, you wrote: >Suzi, > >Just a point of note - If you are to make impeccably accurate costumes of a >pre-industrial period then there were no overlockers (sergers), but I would >still use it to make good quality clothing. :) I did actually make that point in my comment "A serger is what we in England call an overlocker. If you are making authentic method clothing you do not need one. It stitches over the edge of your fabric, usually cutting off any surplus fabric outside the stitch line and leaving a neat edge. You will find such an edge on most seams of most modern garments. The over edge stitch can also be done by hand, a more authentic solution for a period garment. The idea is no neaten the edge and prevent it from fraying." >One function I find my overlocker is really useful for is rolled hems >were rolled hems used on clothing prior to 1901? Not my overlocker - it simply overlocks - no fancy finishes. My comments to the gentleman in Jersey were based on the fact that they do not have the time or the expertise to finish their costumes, which I believe are WOTR period, and he thought it would be useful, even though not historically accurate, to have one. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 18:51:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAUNphth001804 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAUNpbMN005641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mAUNpHaD029771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAUNpF69062207; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAUNpC4M062161 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3881 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 23:51:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Dnbw4BEj/RMc2THDBfz9yvQ0ogYmZoCm32HJrUyXmP5yH/Hiz+EABmi1IrFJ34WeQIBiKz5/vrIJQlF6Yf/Z3AB5H8kwyTI09K/gQJ9NY3JA8IjKohORiRkuEVSBmHn5NWw5gelTLXuKTd5uWqg8ysMz3I8rG7gBqzaN30BIl1U=; X-YMail-OSG: M19mdlAVM1lKhq3CVQgkV9YrTn2_Jp1aV6pyGGos6SqOIcrJKecw.rk.XpxRxRov328l2K0hRuhFOKhrwMs2vgEFcCDqLBkuWOCfLZgSRFZZBILmJvP8Wa5Qke46puEiOJA_4NXSQgPzSZhC4QyoMfF26yxbjXCeMM59kp.R4aKZFQ9H5G2aDlDhkF._ Received: from [69.229.118.65] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:51:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <674184e90811301321r578d7201v68fda70a85ad1830@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <531058.2562.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c711f86-ff8e-4a5d-b2e4-43fc5097a804 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49332709.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 612 Lines: 21 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Sid Young wrote: > One function I find my overlocker is really useful for is > rolled hems... > were rolled hems used on clothing prior to 1901? > Hand rolled hems have been seen in extant medieval garments, mostly on veils, I believe from the books I've read and what I retained from them. I am sure others more knowledgeable on this list could tell you exactly what garments had hand rolled hems. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 20:59:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB11xXrR006545 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:59:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB11wDPH030775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:58:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB11vFDR035412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB11vBHW014022; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB11v2sX013962 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.localnet (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B569F0669 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:56:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (Linux/2.6.27-7-generic; KDE/4.1.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <531058.2562.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <531058.2562.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200811302056.50438.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8700cfbb-000e-429b-9be2-c7208cdbd6a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 493344B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:58:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 947 Lines: 27 On Sunday 30 November 2008 6:51:07 pm Kimiko Small wrote: > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Sid Young wrote: > > One function I find my overlocker is really useful for is > > rolled hems... > > were rolled hems used on clothing prior to 1901? > > Hand rolled hems have been seen in extant medieval garments, mostly on > veils, I believe from the books I've read and what I retained from them. I > am sure others more knowledgeable on this list could tell you exactly what > garments had hand rolled hems. That's right. I remember a few rolled hems from the Viking era. (Of course, those and the medieval examples were done by hand, not with sergers/overlockers.) :-) -- Cathy Raymond "The heresy of one age becomes the orthodoxy of the next." --Helen Keller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 23:08:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB148bvP011405 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:08:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB148VcE012039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB143As1040243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1438nP065237; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB1434EC065201 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: (qmail 43802 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from 71.198.114.173 (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (71.198.114.173) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 04:03:04 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.198.114.173 Message-ID: <493361F7.2030109@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:03:03 -0800 From: Andrew T Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <711546.69315.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] - sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92ad7971-8808-4621-a3dd-b909998bd10a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4933633F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:08:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1294 Lines: 23 julian wilson wrote: > Gentles of the Historic costume List, > just for the education of my House, who are still muddling along making medieval garb and other fabric items, using a collection of fully-serviced, secondhand but older [i.e. - no computers] domestic sewing machines, - > would any Gentle of the List explain to us [ and other beginners similarly ignorant] what is the difference between a serger and a "normal" domestic machine; - and what are the advantages of having a serger for use in the making of replica historical fabric items? > I have done an internet search - but - due to my online ineptitude, I have no doubt, - have not found any answers we can readily understand. > > with thanks for your clarifications, > "Lord Matthew Baker", of the SCA-[UK] > You've got some mostly good information from others on the list. A few years back I wrote an introductory article on sergers; it's still up at: The folks who talk about sergers not being appropriate for historical costume are short-sighted. They are entirely appropriate for early 20th century manufactured clothing recreation. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 23:23:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB14NDmh011811 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:23:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB14N8vs016636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:23:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB14Mr8U041147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB14MqVt074010; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB14Mn7R073921 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15113 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 04:22:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=u5DV4N02u/IhiRBrdfds5xMa+nnBtREthrs3CkMINUyzkcY7+NDEfvFgFfCCfZEFRIU2nJlhoJzLmG88vV3mTQNIs4HpRuxURIfhlG+GtF54GzwV8Kh7xq0WqSkxn/S8KJDBChDBdKG40xrbJ99VYXVxu1YGxfVvBXGDLmArx3o=; X-YMail-OSG: Hc9DS_UVM1l_0jawDcKUNEmn3CQh79zwE4Xa1j79vbjJFEyJdW8uMkoku7JYbbYF31BoQm2.YCVGMiINI5wyPNNUZvyqYH4X6pItl3UH83kica5clxCzJre.8VZSTB2VRwzEEhumwizNM7nvC5.WoZk4tSj6ImEmpYadfmJjvYV_dxSlxzkoQR.pXXQU Received: from [69.229.118.65] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:22:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <493361F7.2030109@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <310551.15063.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] early 20th century serger use (was sergers) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90bb6ac8-d883-440c-aac2-865f3adb89b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 493366AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:23:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 983 Lines: 27 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > The folks who talk about sergers not being appropriate for > historical costume are short-sighted. They are entirely > appropriate for early 20th century manufactured clothing > recreation. > > andy Thank you Andy. I knew Lord Matthew, having noted that he was in the SCA, was looking for info appropriate for SCA use (pre-17th century). Would you mind sharing what you know about how sergers were used for the early 20th century garments? I presume they were similar, but not the same as used today, or were they? I have this Edwardian coat I want to work on, but the directions with the pattern is rather scant on fully period techniques. I am still debating in my head how period, or how modern I want to be when working on it. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 30 23:52:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB14qPJn012593 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:52:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB14p6wp030978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:51:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB14oVVq043464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB14oVCJ087561; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB14oSYP087526 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: (qmail 54470 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 04:50:27 -0000 Received: from 71.198.114.173 (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (71.198.114.173) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 04:50:27 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.198.114.173 Message-ID: <49336D12.5000801@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:50:26 -0800 From: Andrew T Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <310551.15063.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <310551.15063.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] early 20th century serger use (was sergers) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad176c73-83df-45c4-a9d6-3f0e16c67d51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49336D3A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 19 Kimiko Small wrote: > Would you mind sharing what you know about how sergers were used for the early 20th century garments? I presume they were similar, but not the same as used today, or were they? I have this Edwardian coat I want to work on, but the directions with the pattern is rather scant on fully period techniques. I am still debating in my head how period, or how modern I want to be when working on it. > 2-thread overlocking dates back to at least 1890 with a Wilcox & Gibbs overlock patent that uses a looper system very familiar to serger owners of today. As to how they were used, the best thing you can do is, if possible, look at extant Edwardian garments. An ex-boyfriend of mine has a fabulous pre-WWI West Point Cadet's Dress Uniform; IIRC 2-thread overlock stitch was used to bind the edges of the pattern pieces to prevent the heavy wool from fraying. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 1 00:14:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB15EtjI013381 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:14:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB15ElUc028461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:14:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB159Oaj045645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB159ILY098267; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB159GXn098210 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28245 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 05:09:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Yng9KnufKRhmcl9i1/2rXy9oBJNxwGnlGsZnvTLemVbOUKsZ/7bDi2JFhTTXiC9QF8r0GZf3H2sjgHF0srAkJqRl8GYP9e2wwJYJ+dlNVk7ZF8XC+fN6JrwCA0M/y0Ec0zZEDLCJHnnRYSOFFihSh4JN67UaarfHVO/VS1/mHU4=; X-YMail-OSG: n3tzwwoVM1ns2p3qMlbnOEj0jCGSepCom_RRqVc0l3ON7giZz5g635W3AFTeWlAdtQwU0xf8GiBhibtVfedQ30oR7pnRL6YR0d.LuVgkvhvdpvB6T2jLERGOGqKz3laSXh8lEUhMapzJ6sfI9nvvu1xApEr_A.SNEo_Yc1l0NQ3xd8krmlnXWYUgIxcI Received: from [69.229.118.65] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <49336D12.5000801@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <445679.27919.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] early 20th century serger use (was sergers) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c87d396-9471-4d23-aaf7-6e1b89b18f74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 493372C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 898 Lines: 23 Thank you Andy. I have a friend who works at a semi-local museum (well, up in Oakhurst, CA. if you ever want to do a road trip sometime). It's called the King Vintage Museum, and she said they have a number of garments available for hands on viewing. I will give her a buzz. Thanks for the suggestion, and for info on the serged uniform. Kimiko --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > As to how they were used, the best thing you can do is, if > possible, look at extant Edwardian garments. An ex-boyfriend > of mine has a fabulous pre-WWI West Point Cadet's Dress > Uniform; IIRC 2-thread overlock stitch was used to bind the > edges of the pattern pieces to prevent the heavy wool from > fraying. > > andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume