From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 1 04:14:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB19EX4G019958 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:14:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB19ERYt011694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:14:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB19Dvdm063926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB19Ds9p026273; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB19DoOW026240 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.142787172; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:13:34 0000 Received: from dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (dmz-edg01.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.223]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id mB19DWG01295.; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:13:33 GMT Received: from MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk (195.194.178.251) by dmz-edg01.University.ds.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:08:33 +0000 Received: from MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.38]) by MKT-HUB02.university.ds.derby.ac.uk ([10.31.101.42]) with mapi; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:13:32 +0000 From: Kate Bunting To: H-costume list Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:13:30 +0000 Thread-Topic: Re: [h-cost] Stockings query Thread-Index: AclTlRO6o+afaz0USY2ueaP9fyabFw== Message-ID: <28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B20487FDE012F5F@MKT-MBX01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stockings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c856fdc1-ee08-4c16-bd16-accdcc8c797d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4933AAF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:14:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 504 Lines: 10 Thank you, Carol and Chris, for your posts. I thought it must mean to fold the flap that way, but the instructions I'm following say that the heel flap should reach to "the middle of the foot" which I took to mean halfway along the sole. That's why I was puzzled. Will have a go and report on my progress. 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Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 1 12:46:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB1HkTq1000640 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:46:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB1HkN2V032388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB1HemZ6004705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:40:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1HejpS071985; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19LHOz/DZ5lrybUb1dVCIBpAqtIDBtBgWw@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1HefR6071902 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB1HeexV009627 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:40:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 23784 invoked by uid 80); 1 Dec 2008 17:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.28.90.67) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2008 17:40:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49342195.2050103@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:40:37 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture day in California X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 573111a5-f487-4c5a-a9dc-447ab873c698 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 493422EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:46:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1717 Lines: 47 I'm passing this along on behalf of the organizers of my upcoming appearanc= e = in Los Angeles. Please feel free to forward to other lists or individuals w= ho = may be interested. -------- Original Message -------- SUBJECT: Robin Netherton Lecture Series in Los Angeles The Historical Closet is pleased to announce a day of lectures by Robin Netherton, medieval costume historian and co-editor of the academic journal _Medieval Clothing and Textiles_. Ms. Netherton has lectured on medieval clothing for academic audiences, historical societies, reenactment groups, and other organizations in such cities as Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, Denver, Minneapolis, Orlando, Chicago, and San Jose. This is her first appearance in the Los Angeles area. The set of five lectures will focus on Western European Women=92s Dress of the 14th and 15th Centuries. Topics include: The Gothic Fitted Dress, The Greenland Gored Gown, Sideless Surcotes, 15th Century V-Necked Gowns, and Women=92s Heraldic Dress. The event will be held February 7, 2009, at Mount St. Mary=92s College in Los Angeles. There are a limited number of spaces available so pre-registration is encouraged. Once all the spaces are sold out, a waiting list will be started. Please visit www.historicalcloset.com for more details and online registration. Please feel free to forward this message to anyone you think may be interested. We look forward to seeing you there, Kerri The Historical Closet kerri@historicalcloset.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 1 13:58:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB1Iwepm002619 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:58:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB1IwZdN015363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB1IwDh0011018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1IwBum040087; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1Iw9L4040055 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:58:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1274537wah.15 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:58:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=w4JpXtxhFU55nZQyNh4Vs49T6qFhsQpPsZDzEELxPmo=; b=NPYSR4vpctsFS6zDEWfOzUjZd9z3TBuTYmDPYFb4fc/MHMdD5ujDauKeZRTO0j0nsp IHoh/iPYLUwOYEksx8KW0avdROB2XGpsrD8Lg8KAOWTEPFBpcJu7uVLlt0bpEi7B0UPy QFHhpxpCcObGenS+mnjsCqmKUVBU5sSuf44JE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=tL1eumaJtav1T+Q05zZzhfmDNa32PyFvSJoe2H4EhWyeAkZVBuoR+fqo0rQRmMu4ef tyzrj/FXSBy1whz80JIbnJ/nFwMpJc4qrMZCAq89RyITLJ/ikQ1sCmeKvsQ57Cuj8PfO NDctQEXNmnKMAVW5mBM4efE+RY0axWIIkg2RU= Received: by 10.114.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr6703655wag.184.1228157889202; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:09 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <49342195.2050103@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49342195.2050103@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture day in California X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 951ac5a6-0ad5-42d1-a3be-feccd0659334 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493433DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:58:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2250 Lines: 63 Fantasti! I'm so there--and it's not even my period. MaggiRos On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm passing this along on behalf of the organizers of my upcoming > appearance in Los Angeles. Please feel free to forward to other lists or > individuals who may be interested. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > SUBJECT: Robin Netherton Lecture Series in Los Angeles > > The Historical Closet is pleased to announce a day of lectures by Robin > Netherton, medieval costume historian and co-editor of the academic > journal _Medieval Clothing and Textiles_. Ms. Netherton has lectured on > medieval clothing for academic audiences, historical societies, > reenactment groups, and other organizations in such cities as Boston, > Seattle, Philadelphia, Denver, Minneapolis, Orlando, Chicago, and San > Jose. This is her first appearance in the Los Angeles area. > > The set of five lectures will focus on Western European Women's Dress of > the 14th and 15th Centuries. Topics include: The Gothic Fitted Dress, > The Greenland Gored Gown, Sideless Surcotes, 15th Century V-Necked > Gowns, and Women's Heraldic Dress. > > The event will be held February 7, 2009, at Mount St. Mary's College > in Los Angeles. > > There are a limited number of spaces available so pre-registration is > encouraged. Once all the spaces are sold out, a waiting list will be > started. Please visit www.historicalcloset.com > for more details and online > registration. Please feel free to forward this message to anyone you > think may be interested. > > We look forward to seeing you there, > > Kerri > The Historical Closet > > kerri@historicalcloset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 07:34:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB2CYLoM030538 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:34:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB2CYGIM028004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:34:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB2CSqo5085866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2CSnjf055835; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au (bender.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2CSiRL055790 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DEC0A25 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from bender.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bender.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qh+3s55OcyU3 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-247.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.247]) by bender.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630FC0A0D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:41 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclUeXg1AFClT2GTThKoNeT89TaRsA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081202122841.E630FC0A0D@bender.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d260c7e1-513a-48a4-8e53-6b46f80e7c5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49352B48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:34:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1222 Lines: 26 Hi everyone, I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit a fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like cotton voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's 130cm (52") wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember exactly how much but I remember I bought the remainder of the roll and I thought it would be enough for a decent gown). Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy too much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little fiddly projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). Elizabeth ------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 09:43:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB2EhYXx001586 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:43:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB2EhTp2003672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB2EhAr9094771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2Eh9EN032928; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2Eh6mj032860 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W11 ([65.55.138.46]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:43:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:00 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081202122841.E630FC0A0D@bender.grapevine.net.au> References: <20081202122841.E630FC0A0D@bender.grapevine.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2008 14:43:01.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[4682C660:01C9548C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99240831-ff66-414f-8076-e39eddc93d7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49354991.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:43:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1942 Lines: 40 Is it really stiff - could the stiffness be washed out? And is it a deep violet? I wonder if you couldn't do something from the Directoire/Empire/Regency period with it. I worked on an extant one that was bright saffron! Some of those gowns had trains, which I am sure could be made to be removable if you didn't want to be dragging that around all the time. Sg > From: ewalpole@grapevine.com.au > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? > > Hi everyone, > I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit a > fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. > It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like cotton > voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's 130cm (52") > wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember exactly how much but I > remember I bought the remainder of the roll and I thought it would be enough > for a decent gown). > Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress > but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting > white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. > So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 > suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy too > much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little fiddly > projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). > > Elizabeth > ------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra, Australia > http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 11:32:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB2GW4CW004972 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:32:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB2GVuLt007048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB2GVYx2011706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2GVVZD024965; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2GVSGW024850 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.ce8.453bc643 (29679) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:31:18 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:31:18 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6897e0ad-48ba-420a-b2ec-bf01193306a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 493562FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 30 Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress > but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting > white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. **************** I've seen one sheer cotton gown that was not white, but not solid either. It was printed in a paisley-like pattern (in tans and pinks) that was a disposition...it had a clear, scalloped "end" to the print and was unprinted near the hem of the skirt and the ends of the wide pagoda sleeves. I also have seen an 1840's dress that was sheer, very stiff cotton/something (wool?) blend in a plum color, but it also had a large window pane woven in a twill weave in the fabric that was off white (almost beige). Then there's an 1850's dress, tiered with 3 flounces that was sheer and almost black (dark purple) with a trellis of red cabbage roses and buds and dark green leaves printed around the hem of each tier and across the chest level of the bodice. You could get those fabric paints out and... you know....it would be stunning! **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 14:26:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB2JQgmv009236 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:26:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB2JQacQ014378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB2JQFeF038557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2JQC2j090923; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp17.kp.org [162.119.133.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2JQ81J090850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id mB2JPx2h023324 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:26:05 -0800 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:25:46 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 12/02/2008 11:25:51 AM, Serialize complete at 12/02/2008 11:25:51 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-12-02 - 11:26:07 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:26:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 561 Lines: 15 If you're interested in slightly later Victorian, there is at least one early bustle era (about 1870) extant sheer solid pink (and lace) dress - I don't know where I found the picture from though... it reminds me of the Tissot painting "Too Early": http://www.abcgallery.com/T/tissot/tissot17.html I would think that 8 meters would be enough to do such a dress, if you were careful. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 22:04:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB334E32021439 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:04:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3349PG022147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB333KNI070380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB333Hkl007051; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB333Dxb007012 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9B7581251 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:03:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xNdOJIbg28SY for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:03:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-247.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.247]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD9358123C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:03:11 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:02:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclUs/mVrQ/iSSwhS5G7kIdzl4SRqQAH9zUw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081203030311.0CD9358123C@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? 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Thanks for the suggestion Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 6:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? If you're interested in slightly later Victorian, there is at least one early bustle era (about 1870) extant sheer solid pink (and lace) dress - I don't know where I found the picture from though... it reminds me of the Tissot painting "Too Early": http://www.abcgallery.com/T/tissot/tissot17.html I would think that 8 meters would be enough to do such a dress, if you were careful. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 2 22:25:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB33PSZN021943 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:25:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB33PKlh020263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:25:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB334MMw070421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB334MHq007563; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB334HLu007531 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43AE58129D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:04:16 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKlk72hLfRr6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:04:16 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-247.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.247]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709105812A4 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:04:16 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:03:56 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclUjGMCUGAa++vuQCiCqMOkP1yyWAASuBcw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081203030416.709105812A4@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42b04fbb-45b3-444f-b7d3-b6fb54f92964 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4935FC20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:25:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2737 Lines: 68 It's actually quite soft so Regency may be an option, but I just looked at it again and realised I bought the remainder of 2 rolls (I loved it that much and it was only $2 per metre I thought I could do something with it) so I've probably got more than 10 metres all together, So I may use half of it for a Regency gown and sell or give away the rest. Thanks for the suggestion Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 1:43 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? Is it really stiff - could the stiffness be washed out? And is it a deep violet? I wonder if you couldn't do something from the Directoire/Empire/Regency period with it. I worked on an extant one that was bright saffron! Some of those gowns had trains, which I am sure could be made to be removable if you didn't want to be dragging that around all the time. Sg > From: ewalpole@grapevine.com.au > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? > > Hi everyone, > I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit > a fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. > It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like > cotton voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's > 130cm (52") wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember > exactly how much but I remember I bought the remainder of the roll and > I thought it would be enough for a decent gown). > Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer > dress but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not > counting > white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. > So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 > suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy > too much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little > fiddly projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). > > Elizabeth > ------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra, Australia > http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 4 05:36:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB4AaBYb015701 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:36:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB4AYkJx017040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB4AY597099618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4AY0nA049630; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4AXtQL049555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-155-233.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.155.233] helo=Astarte) by smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1L8BFW-0007KD-Bp for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:45:58 +1030 From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:03:49 +1030 Message-ID: <001501c955fb$cb524ad0$61f6e070$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclUsReuzX56919XT5isgdkLypfytABSMBIA Content-Language: en-au X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:35:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2221 Lines: 50 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <20081202122841.E630FC0A0D@bender.grapevine.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone, I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit a fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like cotton voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's 130cm (52") wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember exactly how much but I remember I bought the remainder of the roll and I thought it would be enough for a decent gown). Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy too much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little fiddly projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). There is the dress described in 'Costume in detail 1730-1930' as being a Purple-black satin with matching gauze overdress, dating from the 1830's, and Currently in the Snowshill collection. That's quite a lovely dress (imnsho). There's also (and this is from memory as it's been a while since I looked at a Copy) a mention in 'The Cut of Women's Clothes' about a short trend in the 1660's For women to wear 'sheers' over their gowns (it was memorable for the quote from Charles II saying that he would be quite happy for the ladies to wear nothing Else). I've never seen any other evidence for this, particularly pictorial evidence, And I've always been quite curious as to whether it was true or not, and what such A thing might look like, given that the style of the time was quite rigid and structured. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 4 10:32:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB4FWTjX002199 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB4FWDmu031200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:32:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB4FVtAb010303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4FVr8j007280; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4FVmpc007165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:33:21 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:33:20 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? Thread-Index: AclUsReuzX56919XT5isgdkLypfytABSMBIAAAlzgKA= Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B38BC42@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <001501c955fb$cb524ad0$61f6e070$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <001501c955fb$cb524ad0$61f6e070$@com.au> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7f17ba1-e592-4789-b374-682a61b6ee6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4937F7FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:32:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2753 Lines: 62 Hooray - today I finally got the original message! I got 2 responses to it on Tuesday and wondered what they were talking about. Have fun. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Claire Clarke Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:34 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <20081202122841.E630FC0A0D@bender.grapevine.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone, I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit a fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like cotton voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's 130cm (52") wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember exactly how much but I remember I bought the remainder of the roll and I thought it would be enough for a decent gown). Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy too much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little fiddly projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). There is the dress described in 'Costume in detail 1730-1930' as being a Purple-black satin with matching gauze overdress, dating from the 1830's, and Currently in the Snowshill collection. That's quite a lovely dress (imnsho). There's also (and this is from memory as it's been a while since I looked at a Copy) a mention in 'The Cut of Women's Clothes' about a short trend in the 1660's For women to wear 'sheers' over their gowns (it was memorable for the quote from Charles II saying that he would be quite happy for the ladies to wear nothing Else). I've never seen any other evidence for this, particularly pictorial evidence, And I've always been quite curious as to whether it was true or not, and what such A thing might look like, given that the style of the time was quite rigid and structured. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 6 06:50:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB6BotJ3010985 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB6BonhG002898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB6BoL89088404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB6BoH0L055027; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB6BoESn054994 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60091 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2008 11:50:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=keAlpj0AEchLt7N/ushbdulhfO649+GxLpeSo0Z34Hb99M/K1euybzFrb+XCgks4Eic1oDEMSVrfZmN7uPxh8nli0FB9SDzykrN9ugkuoF/OqadM+rdv5+yd4g6zePW4i0xumZG305jxQMiOE7FanuJdrlQG1Uwn/dQN9fMao8A=; X-YMail-OSG: DZl2Ej4VM1mdaItl.lQr7O311Apb1pzGndMd.JjMpaMrHmynA08ghJqd77TJpUdAwIFXwnwl5R0.uv3V_dpAarwDjEUsfjplXBg9SeKe6OOyA0W0Ui2mpE8ALtwSuKZZWhvduwSA074LWc70o5I8MqXae_6Mz4NgKr76ESeLBjUHNh_MhobukF0lR_L_kg-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:50:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17e9d303-5dd3-404d-a99c-b4eaf3dfe0b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 493A6719.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 534 Lines: 19 I am very interested what you think about this book. I was actually very pleased with it, but also a bit confused. I have written a review on amazon uk: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228564117&sr=8-1 Opinions? Zuzana ___________________________ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 6 18:39:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB6Ndjqg014749 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:39:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB6Nddxk031837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:39:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB6Nd98Q035741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB6Nd5Oq031879; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB6Nd2Zh031820 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W1 ([65.55.138.36]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:38:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:57 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B38BC42@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: <001501c955fb$cb524ad0$61f6e070$@com.au> <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128B38BC42@Orion.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2008 23:38:57.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEDDA5D0:01C957FB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d00b02f1-1447-4740-a3d9-ff0c3c2c0dc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493B0D3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:39:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 36 I missed a few posts. I am not sure which era you are looking for for examples; but here is one: http://saragrace.net/html/Arabella/Arabella.htm This has been a favorite of mine for years. I will make it someday!!! > > There is the dress described in 'Costume in detail 1730-1930' as being a > Purple-black satin with matching gauze overdress, dating from the 1830's, > and > Currently in the Snowshill collection. That's quite a lovely dress (imnsho). > > There's also (and this is from memory as it's been a while since I looked at > a > Copy) a mention in 'The Cut of Women's Clothes' about a short trend in the > 1660's > For women to wear 'sheers' over their gowns (it was memorable for the quote > from > Charles II saying that he would be quite happy for the ladies to wear > nothing > Else). I've never seen any other evidence for this, particularly pictorial > evidence, > And I've always been quite curious as to whether it was true or not, and > what such > A thing might look like, given that the style of the time was quite rigid > and structured. > > Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 12:22:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9HM2Zt005319 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:22:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9HKbl6023145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9HJuAm043313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9HJpIs037402; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB9HJl8Z037230 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87091 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 17:19:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=sxbBqVFO5fqqoNAvu7vrCoX0xBVuH5VLjGzi3Ko8tDYeKYIM7yBhhjlDChbCRfmUFB1/6pHEjKmj26LZ1vYRajopmK5Dhm8W/yMKpi2WoTyCtUa7LP7o2T1oRCfSgIaK2lSl+dBJZa+Y6z79aL5jKV0cmfZ0qIVzF1/EOaE1ys0=; X-YMail-OSG: HXEgAJwVM1lVVwryoJLPn8G9.621QOnvXnlPW3gehy2sNtnveuUOtWtdmytakcOSYtCG1.XF8CYHfKvWk1sQzvu_oPE97.4YHvCscJOKyZ15HPHrK22qfMF6kbTY3FD.OGQgvQmmyw.k.x8HIUDDgk8TYOp3.dPp_TMlkpDi4nOgo4xZr10KoEwR43EW Received: from [68.127.112.63] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:19:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e26b1bfb-e2dc-4fcb-94e3-4180498ee885 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 493EA8E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 764 Lines: 24 Hi Zuzana, I will be getting the book for Christmas, as I ordered my copy along with the Arnold book from the UK. So, once I get mine opened and looked at, I will let you all know what I think of it as well. Kimiko --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I am very interested what you think about this book. I was > actually very pleased with it, but also a bit confused. I > have written a review on amazon uk: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228564117&sr=8-1 > > Opinions? > > Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 13:11:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9IB01O007705 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:11:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9IAsBr020184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:10:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9IAOlx054925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9IAO3g092336; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9IAKw7092272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LA72J-0004fW-My for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:20 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:10:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0b7fe83-1eea-4bd0-a875-d9eb44eee103 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493EB4AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:10:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 501 Lines: 16 At 17:19 09/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Zuzana, > >I will be getting the book for Christmas, as I ordered my copy along >with the Arnold book from the UK. So, once I get mine opened and >looked at, I will let you all know what I think of it as well. I saw this while in Florence, I think, but as I don't like using block patterns I didn't study it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 15:42:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9KgMxc017719 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:42:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9KgGpN016853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:42:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9Kfmnl076581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9KfilS039317; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9Kfgdk039279 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so125076qbc.11 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:41:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yBWKf0qraFXA/ajCAv5fJQAWjctBnZ9XeztN5r6rRY0=; b=NYQGcG5trHjqty9m8Z2ZFKAOi+L1s6TP2OvGxiciwscG1YoRJ4FXzo6/xo7YUncc1E GaAJ1OTcSSxClF25MkgSpB8PNPKkIRHu/bdtsy07HSuEft/x4iUk0GlETYN2qxjBDtOx rVgCC1O5kRHJf9DFS3AtH4zuS0WM8pAuul3tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=H3PcLkNAk+2EB/R05pnDvVGwld+tYRuU/T9BmvFyoe9Q7Rv9w04ufPnmH0d5l4eMxY rv7kanAt6tn5HUbwXqqP3PNOu2AD5ySDsi5eftIrlnx5HNg2J7ePXq+zI1RYbRabA8zt HG4amw2Dk08gaHPXz8wkYN560JE7eK+D19kCs= Received: by 10.114.192.17 with SMTP id p17mr370856waf.196.1228855299344; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:41:39 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 118e5e75-b370-42b3-af08-6e81fb362cc3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 493ED828.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:42:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1235 Lines: 35 Oh it's so much more than patterns from old clothes. The photo section that iws half the book is, like the other JA books, a vast amount of information about how they actually made these clothes: close ups and details that, in many cases, you have never seen (and in some cases, thought of) before. If that kind of information is of interest to you, as it is to me, then seeing the pattern shapes derived from the actual garments is just frosting. MaggiRos On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:19 09/12/2008, you wrote: > >> Hi Zuzana, >> >> I will be getting the book for Christmas, as I ordered my copy along with >> the Arnold book from the UK. So, once I get mine opened and looked at, I >> will let you all know what I think of it as well. >> > > I saw this while in Florence, I think, but as I don't like using block > patterns I didn't study it. > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 16:02:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9L2Sgu018622 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:02:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9L2Mgm003433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9L21FE078202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:02:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9L20O0057579; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9L1v2I057531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LA9iO-0003QU-EI for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:01:57 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:01:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6fd67e4-2f61-4d67-b3de-55260939c450 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 493EDCDE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:02:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1118 Lines: 26 At 20:41 09/12/2008, you wrote: >Oh it's so much more than patterns from old clothes. The photo section that >iws half the book is, like the other JA books, a vast amount of information >about how they actually made these clothes: close ups and details that, in >many cases, you have never seen (and in some cases, thought of) before. If >that kind of information is of interest to you, as it is to me, then seeing >the pattern shapes derived from the actual garments is just frosting. > >MaggiRos Maggie, you misunderstood me. I have all the Janet Arnold books, and extras she gave me. Kimiko was talking about a book called "Pattern Cutting for Men's Costume" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061 As I said, I saw it while at the "Colloquium for Janet Arnold", in Florence, but as it is mainly block patterns I decided I did not want it, as I was taught to drape my patterns by, among others, Janet herself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 16:09:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9L9ojT018972 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:09:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9L9fi0011697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9L9Q2Q078850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9L9Q4t064762; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.av-mx.com (smtp1.av-mx.com [137.118.16.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9L9NlH064717 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from Gilbert (dsl-69-50-49-241.pivot.net [69.50.49.241]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp1.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE7C290A31 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com><242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:09:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c287a830-bdf7-48de-b16b-0d75a6668ad2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 493EDE95.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:09:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 447 Lines: 16 >as I was taught to drape my patterns by, among others, Janet herself. Oh, my goodness! That must have been something! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 16:23:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9LN7WZ019485 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:23:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9LN11T011029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:23:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9LMat2079978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LMaNY077004; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LMW7J076921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAA2K-00059f-3C for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:22:32 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209212200.03c3c7c8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:22:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3448cf0a-70ac-48ad-a4a8-7a7527a2de2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 493EE1B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:23:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 647 Lines: 25 At 21:09 09/12/2008, you wrote: >>as I was taught to drape my patterns by, among others, Janet herself. > > >Oh, my goodness! That must have been something! > >Marjorie Yup! >Marjorie Gilbert >author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England >www.marjoriegilbert.net >http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 16:25:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9LPluv019600 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:25:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9LPdj9003566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:25:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9LPQVl080324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LPQNw079801; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f33.google.com (mail-ew0-f33.google.com [209.85.219.33]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LPNFx079643 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so80141ewy.23 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:25:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KxwfS9Cux8Gsp5xo5UmRQaNvA6hITqc0mpyi1Q3mcE4=; b=FdAVjgn4M/jesoQd6U2MjXFmeBGzOud91bOR1TuLb2KhkGPiGRomporHjXb+3xt5kP ylp1MSH7jUNx5t8bh86zWemULQU6N3qcafjagYhv/EZDTK4hbrkuNh+cZe8tgcYzvc7y xiotMprTEjbQmtvfDVnmQc/1Bz7t8m/9xHS3E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=s+A0NYV6QQF9Rc0nxBvlCFQHR3XK0GSl3O576lUvZxkBjoC2/c8K/MkKYLpgmyFaEg Yx698eijYmdehavumoQiRQJz2HTD0tkN6ppKohEqQJ/HBksmOsinjOKZO6pN/7bcejW5 ZYrCfo1LnCWb+MYjvM4fDolLzTvubljYVH8H0= Received: by 10.114.124.1 with SMTP id w1mr405162wac.135.1228857916472; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:16 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ab5ecd2-0570-4445-9af4-a3216db56516 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 493EE253.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:25:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1709 Lines: 52 Oh my goodness. I am sorry. That's what I get for reading mail on a full stomach.. My apologies fro misunderstanding. MaggiRos On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 20:41 09/12/2008, you wrote: > >> Oh it's so much more than patterns from old clothes. The photo section >> that >> iws half the book is, like the other JA books, a vast amount of >> information >> about how they actually made these clothes: close ups and details that, in >> many cases, you have never seen (and in some cases, thought of) before. If >> that kind of information is of interest to you, as it is to me, then >> seeing >> the pattern shapes derived from the actual garments is just frosting. >> >> MaggiRos >> > > > Maggie, you misunderstood me. I have all the Janet Arnold books, and extras > she gave me. Kimiko was talking about a book called "Pattern Cutting for > Men's Costume" > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061 > > As I said, I saw it while at the "Colloquium for Janet Arnold", in > Florence, but as it is mainly block patterns I decided I did not want it, as > I was taught to drape my patterns by, among others, Janet herself. > > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 9 16:29:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB9LTR20019742 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:29:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9LTLxo023078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:29:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB9LSP3F080728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LSPVe082847; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9LSKa1082755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAA7w-0005cl-FJ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:28:20 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209212644.03c3b208@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:28:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <142418.59330.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <242717.86680.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209180924.03c343c8@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209205717.03c3ab18@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern cutting for men's costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8d72654-e8e5-4fee-8889-41f2cc47fa1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 493EE331.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:29:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1536 Lines: 48 At 21:25 09/12/2008, you wrote: >Oh my goodness. I am sorry. That's what I get for reading mail on a full >stomach.. My apologies fro misunderstanding. > >MaggiRos Not a problem - mine is empty, so I'm a bit ratty - sorry! Suzi >On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > At 20:41 09/12/2008, you wrote: > > > >> Oh it's so much more than patterns from old clothes. The photo section > >> that > >> iws half the book is, like the other JA books, a vast amount of > >> information > >> about how they actually made these clothes: close ups and details that, in > >> many cases, you have never seen (and in some cases, thought of) before. If > >> that kind of information is of interest to you, as it is to me, then > >> seeing > >> the pattern shapes derived from the actual garments is just frosting. > >> > >> MaggiRos > >> > > > > > > Maggie, you misunderstood me. I have all the Janet Arnold books, and extras > > she gave me. Kimiko was talking about a book called "Pattern Cutting for > > Men's Costume" > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pattern-Cutting-Costume-Elizabeth-Friendship/dp/1408100061 > > > > As I said, I saw it while at the "Colloquium for Janet Arnold", in > > Florence, but as it is mainly block patterns I decided I did not > want it, as > > I was taught to drape my patterns by, among others, Janet herself. > > > > > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 06:16:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBABGQ5H009739 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:16:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBABGKO3004215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:16:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBABFuUt037371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBABFr9q068754; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBABFlpP068678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-218-115.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.218.115] helo=Astarte) by smtp2.mail.adnap.net.au with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LAMl3-000ENK-3C for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:27:33 +1030 From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:45:51 +1030 Message-ID: <000f01c95ab8$a91c0d40$fb5427c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclYni2bl5YL3OccSAuBrg1CtH/gwQCGiiVA Content-Language: en-au X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a80dbc25-e6dc-4fbf-91fb-03da3de2f7e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 493FA504.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:16:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 848 Lines: 27 Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:57 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf Subject: Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I missed a few posts. I am not sure which era you are looking for for examples; but here is one: http://saragrace.net/html/Arabella/Arabella.htm This has been a favorite of mine for years. I will make it someday!!! Thanks Saragrace, that is a lovely gown, especially for that era, which usually strikes me as rather graceless. However I'm looking a little later - 1660s, or the later part of the Stuart period. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 12:27:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAHRY78019041 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:27:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAHRSlO030176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAHQq9v064999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAHQlsX029965; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAHQjDD029913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LASpg-0004qF-Bl for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:26:44 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efda5680-435c-4d5a-81bd-7db64828b674 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 493FFC00.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:27:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 328 Lines: 11 Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs information, and it is not a period I do. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 13:28:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAISw2Z020156 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAISY0m021639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAISAZ7072706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAISAC1088228; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAIRwY5088019 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so291882yxb.71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iiFXYdKNbKCV0dkMoQGfIka3QZuYA13vEI1suvd0anI=; b=KL2nhOkfkQ0xWvL4hY2SmIkUEx1CfTJZGHVTODoynybF/KkNTuopI/cg78xOmOEcU7 VnGJsw5ufWPn5L72z+xY5EuDraUN0Ue7vyfi1u/8qiBw+jx0A+7zmVDKxQwONMqB8Ddl HrZPLqdFfg0fQW9tijLmpWBHuSJAhlVsiXhWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ZH8qIekBWTB6TbmA5wCCgrX/ZgH30/o7VGRwwUUdWlfMfpaHvZJJFrs31Vq0NOSE1q oRZDCLYvMB9viUdYOoiCrzNaNAWUOfh6P/7mk7ab0Sczvuv0dGagP05BnF6XXL+4sbG8 gEKSyJTdNTYeb4wIbbLgBOGKHsLyzikhNmxzQ= Received: by 10.100.5.16 with SMTP id 16mr1309415ane.146.1228933677822; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.42.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ec4d8740812101027n12e4432by19ec4736d4debe2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:27:57 -0500 From: "Elena House" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 088b9e04-28f7-4f39-aa28-c03461a49e6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49400A52.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 691 Lines: 23 What area? I've got tons from the continent, but very little (other than the occasional royals) for England. -E House On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find > pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs information, and > it is not a period I do. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 13:59:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAIxHfb020332 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAIx9IY020131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAIvaxu076323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAIvaoS015959; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAIvYVS015939 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so263294wah.15 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vf2gLr2azsHy6h8WrDxN7AE9Y48WYXbVBgYvn8hvQKI=; b=DwJEy9Bysl0pjyFhhPplabsc/7BJn7OqaoLqMW8pY6si5UQLnoFMioa0m0AzR2W482 tIx0beo2RNBPb5fYSRbJQ4w5/5UlBRcMpjnA6hiFMciaDgqMrpeEHmY5Qh6JV3Oi+CVh oJ/bY4L5U/gAT3xxgkfbW2cxf8BN5mZ/2P/bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Ws9OgclaUaXzsh0JGlHvJWISxu/6K5TTMMc99NjBjRiIZUeNbjZGOqOximm0+NKTty EmkuL/nfETJKYCjJzVfWuY6dDTG1ibMPupUJn+QLyL7UpNPG3r+O7qDNNJ9/OOI1/K9C M4IwqZdsGN8khq7JDasWRp2y1+2FhPTn/+m0k= Received: by 10.114.197.10 with SMTP id u10mr1196199waf.96.1228935454663; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bba14860-6c4e-4cd4-9ca2-a235fc53cff5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4940117D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1326 Lines: 46 There's always the Medieval volume of Norris . Well it's not bad for general information and sillhouettes. Maggie On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Anne wrote: > I'd love to hear the suggestions - I think you may have to pick it out > carefully from non-costume sources. Most books seem to skip straight from > Wars of the Roses to HEnry VIII, I never found much for Henry VII's reign. > > JEan > > > Suzi Clarke wrote: > >> >> Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find >> pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs information, and >> it is not a period I do. >> >> Suzi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html or your favorite online bookseller _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 14:22:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAJLasD020817 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:21:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAJLKGm013287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:21:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAJL1DY078198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:21:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAJL06H036634; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAJKwVI036599 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so317497yxh.0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cYfn3SkD98lx0FbbXa6qKXFVSWZB6p3Ky9RdrWYkd9w=; b=i6ZQQdANz5EKwH81+WcIHju5zMNOxwIoL3Tp6AD6pjuR1MzMWSxMC7AC56vCO8ChvA XQPOdv8p0ayBW5lAZPKj7l7QCxiQkY6hswmo+T1Y2F4SDDkwplZ/Bc4jaFDb0tTo9NtQ SrltBR9L/Di+QJnMdYdwpL9okl1icTVjzzdtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kdVHztD5JgEP8e/GpydME+mEpFFFxi8TaeN4RsqJXMgtXi7MY8Nu35EZwvEJbwHnCd WGD1PL6aakm6m0l4+zq/o2qLIeXVA1vi7qyieYJhWFHbA2axrnP/qm+SzWXiuj0NZJJa 0HxrK8RXaF/2ecIB86sDgs4eS7IlhNfUqDXXY= Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr1076178agc.36.1228936858360; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.53.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:20:58 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5cafbbb8-4697-4e7c-8913-9aeb4c075528 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494016B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 36 There's a book, "Women of Distinction: Margaret of York and Margaret of Austria" - not sure about M of A but M of Y died in 1503, so some of the photos might be helpful: http://books.google.com/books?id=UquEJwAACAAJ&dq=margaret+of+york+women+of+distinction&client=firefox-a Also you might try looking at tomb effigies of the period in question, but others might be able to better speak to that (paging Robin Netherton?) Allison T. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:26 +0000 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can > find pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs > information, and it is not a period I do. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 14:22:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAJMZsm020843 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:22:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAJMPHV016468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAJLEiO078224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAJLEQJ036871; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAJKwS6036600 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so306264ywe.71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cYfn3SkD98lx0FbbXa6qKXFVSWZB6p3Ky9RdrWYkd9w=; b=i6ZQQdANz5EKwH81+WcIHju5zMNOxwIoL3Tp6AD6pjuR1MzMWSxMC7AC56vCO8ChvA XQPOdv8p0ayBW5lAZPKj7l7QCxiQkY6hswmo+T1Y2F4SDDkwplZ/Bc4jaFDb0tTo9NtQ SrltBR9L/Di+QJnMdYdwpL9okl1icTVjzzdtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kdVHztD5JgEP8e/GpydME+mEpFFFxi8TaeN4RsqJXMgtXi7MY8Nu35EZwvEJbwHnCd WGD1PL6aakm6m0l4+zq/o2qLIeXVA1vi7qyieYJhWFHbA2axrnP/qm+SzWXiuj0NZJJa 0HxrK8RXaF/2ecIB86sDgs4eS7IlhNfUqDXXY= Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr1076178agc.36.1228936858360; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.53.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:20:58 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 990becdd-0829-45ca-b561-59c565db784d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494016F1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:22:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 36 There's a book, "Women of Distinction: Margaret of York and Margaret of Austria" - not sure about M of A but M of Y died in 1503, so some of the photos might be helpful: http://books.google.com/books?id=UquEJwAACAAJ&dq=margaret+of+york+women+of+distinction&client=firefox-a Also you might try looking at tomb effigies of the period in question, but others might be able to better speak to that (paging Robin Netherton?) Allison T. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:26 +0000 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can > find pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs > information, and it is not a period I do. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 14:45:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAJjUEr021225 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAJjEo3023731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAIRrRQ072674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAIRprg087929; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com (mail-ew0-f20.google.com [209.85.219.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAIRnPU087824 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so936409ewy.23 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nzLO4n9XBPyS09xbeT5uA1shbXAY+Gz1k+VEf6yxa00=; b=vV8X/W7tpmLIjyvIiIGeGd9HA4Hs3tp3qGeQ666PRef/55sp6FnOl8DYjRlJ3U8hEd zbfTSv/N35HiLGNmBQV0Cbu8hK/fvtIyp5X4kXk9/v8vd8kfO6c8OoFwW+n62lRAgUM+ rbUFUKYVxVse2ur8nH4vaOXVVDnNEH0H6Mlww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NbMHd7J7SUfGkdJ+4N+3vgtlyLU/Z2HvxuR3RHxVTQ3ilPaIFNoRHfxOrBwEieaT/k MPd7GHQyRbfALoEtgU5nzvRA4ssX8HqeVslZAZ0yNdcedfgiS1NlFfh/gEVe2927Z4RI sJqs8pmIzstLcgq48+sRt6i9wBef/JwIFzWA4= Received: by 10.210.76.19 with SMTP id y19mr2019832eba.52.1228933663620; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5acb5f33.bb.sky.com [90.203.95.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm2365248gvf.0.2008.12.10.10.27.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:27:36 +0000 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081105 Thunderbird/2.0.0.18 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11c34fa8-24be-46fa-a27f-d13091421248 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49401C4A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 744 Lines: 24 I'd love to hear the suggestions - I think you may have to pick it out carefully from non-costume sources. Most books seem to skip straight from Wars of the Roses to HEnry VIII, I never found much for Henry VII's reign. JEan Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find > pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs > information, and it is not a period I do. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 15:54:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAKsUfj024304 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAKsMTZ019440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAKs92s084386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAKs9xm020544; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAKrYo9020071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAW3p-0007Rp-OI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:53:34 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210204951.03c3bea8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:50:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 902eb84a-1602-4437-a38b-b6d9cea55f49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49402C7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1597 Lines: 57 At 18:57 10/12/2008, you wrote: >There's always the Medieval volume of Norris . Well >it's not bad for general information and sillhouettes. I sold mine! Suzi >Maggie > >On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Anne wrote: > > > I'd love to hear the suggestions - I think you may have to pick it out > > carefully from non-costume sources. Most books seem to skip straight from > > Wars of the Roses to HEnry VIII, I never found much for Henry VII's reign. > > > > JEan > > > > > > Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > >> > >> Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find > >> pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs > information, and > >> it is not a period I do. > >> > >> Suzi > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- >Maggie Secara >~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 >ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 >Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html >or your favorite online bookseller >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:03:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAL3JWa024476 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:03:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBAL3D9O027284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:03:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAL2vqw086306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAL2vdN029775; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBAL2sQ5029621 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEWAMVZATJHBWJ for (sender ); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:02:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/js9VjCGbZgnvaXdFn8YD2LrudiG+C0ow== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N332C55R; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:02:06 PST Received: from [207.211.20.74] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:01:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.211.20.74] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:01:08 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081210.150108.10705.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3608338493 X-MAIL-INFO: 315f1e8e1ea3276ea327ce5727ce9f3af7dbfad79acbdb6ada7b9af36a234f4a6a8b17b75f4e5fc7eece0b275f57 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cc84116-ef87-403d-8358-29db750593c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49402E91.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1246 Lines: 29 You're mixing up the two sisters. Margaret was married to the king of Scotland. Mary(Rose) was married to the King of France but was widowed shortly after the marriage and married her real love, Charles Brandon, before Henry could arrange another political marriage for her. She returned to England with her new husband. Quite the soap opera, those Tudors! Karen Seamstrix -- Suzi Clarke wrote: At 18:27 10/12/2008, you wrote: >What area? I've got tons from the continent, but very little (other >than the occasional royals) for England. Scotland - just to be difficult, but France or England would do. Henry Vlll's sister returning to Scotland from ?France I understand. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your business expense. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 754 Lines: 20 I can remember pre-internet days when that was the only costume book our library had; it was out of print & we thought it was worth its weight in gold. "the good old days" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 At 18:57 10/12/2008, you wrote: >There's always the Medieval volume of Norris . Well >it's not bad for general information and sillhouettes. I sold mine! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:13:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALDR7w024829 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:13:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALDKEG002092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:13:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALD6pa086932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALD6t3038837; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALD3V5038787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAWMg-0001Bs-MS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:13:03 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211116.03c2c2c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:12:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20081210.150108.10705.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> References: <20081210.150108.10705.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 661ac055-2835-49f9-a8c7-4d7ce6f3e6c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494030F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:13:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 707 Lines: 18 At 21:01 10/12/2008, you wrote: >You're mixing up the two sisters. Margaret was married to the king >of Scotland. Mary(Rose) was married to the King of France but was >widowed shortly after the marriage and married her real love, >Charles Brandon, before Henry could arrange another political >marriage for her. She returned to England with her new husband. >Quite the soap opera, those Tudors! oops, so I did. It is Margaret Tudor, marrying the King Of Scotland so 1503 is the date I am looking for. However, the French connection holds, I think. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:18:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALIwhm025072 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:18:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALIS3p006424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:18:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALIF3l087309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALIEca043148; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALIDVV043123 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so332564yxb.71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CMxoYGgMnUHmqxZJC4Bi+YVWfKRxB3SAi6RM2Dogq6E=; b=aBTd4nm4Z6Bave6WDHtDyYxjyzK86k+PJRKNjXNsbwPSARS6Mwp35WPCBLxGHuDEfd BUp0bKwKb9r/MxkLjVKsmWJv7e0LsmMGJIjw0yW4L+7Ecmm2DmtgSex5XmnNcHgZ1ULE 2B+V5a/QCLaTqYpNAEKyMNesaAV+WFSlRYq7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=c6n+X/RDFTP3DXuTlJkA8xb+FcSwOxBMtebo312BtxvkquGuVGa6FXLyqTUp5Xmh0w dUeXdmKqNC7U+n2xlae3GV7YBKQVsET/FEg1Hn6heeM/SlFRWHl4CmNBv/Jz5Z9ObsKE lhJBhG2kT0rQSIhRBjVkDYeVvzb83twE2++Qk= Received: by 10.100.197.7 with SMTP id u7mr1474414anf.72.1228943892252; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.42.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ec4d8740812101318o297ae8bev5b5e4a82771ee666@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:18:12 -0500 From: "Elena House" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e51199b8-9065-428f-83b7-6da2026abc71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49403225.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:18:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 5608 Lines: 106 I'll give you a quick general run-down; I haven't got it in me right now to look up all the documentation. Hopefully this'll give you a good starting point. I'm guessing you're interested in English styles, so I'll try to slant it that way, but I'll have to refer heavily to continental styles because A) they're so much better documented and B) a few years later when English fashions get easier to document, they match up reasonably well with what the Franco-Flemish were doing 10-15 years earlier. So, when I get continental, I'll try to describe what they were wearing c1488-1493. Monumental brasses will be your best resource for c1500 English fashions. They're not the most accurate source, but they're loads better than almost nothing you'll find in the portraits arena. However, Elizabeth of York's c1500 portrait shows what seems to be a pretty typical style for the era/area, even if it is in much more luxurious fabrics than your average gentlewoman would have been wearing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_of_York.jpg Henry the VIII's sisters, Mary Tudor--who went on to queen it in France--and Margaret Tudor, who queened Scotland, have a few illuminations floating around; they were famous beauties. (The portraits I've found of them are probably wrong for your project, though there's a painting of Margaret that's only a few years too late, and a sketch of Mary that's only a tad too French.) Catherine of Aragon has at least one great portrait from c1505, during her widowhood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michel_Sittow_002.jpg though again, the style she's wearing is not terribly English. Stick with the brasses. If you search through google books, you'll find some transcripts of descriptions of coronations, inventories, etc from around that time. For example, here's the privy purse expenses of Elizabeth of York: http://books.google.com/books?id=p91CAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22elizabeth+of+york%22 (Sorry, this is just the first one I ran into in my bookmarks. There's lots more good stuff there. The Victorians may have been horrible costume historians in a lot of ways, but they were great at transcribing.) On to the overall style. I read one great description in a Spaniard-visits-the-Engligh-court travelogue from the mid 1500s; even though it's the wrong date, it pretty well sums up the English fashions c1500: frumpy and ill-fitting, making the women look shapeless and sloppy. Franco-Flemish high fashion in the last years of the 15th century had a well-fitted 4-panel square-necked overgown over a bust-supporting 4-panel undergown (directly descended from the GFD). The English c1500 most likely also wore a bust-supporting undergown, but rather than fitting like a glove, their overgowns tended to fit like a brown paper bag. (I'll be making sweeping generalizations here. This is not the only style nor the only way it was done. It's just the most common, stereotypical style.) For illustration purposes (but not documentation, since I don't know exactly when this is from... but it's the right style), here's a typical c1500 English outfit: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick02.jpg Here's a c1504 English brass--not as detailed, but more dateable: http://www.thurrock-community.org.uk/historysoc/brasses/stiff2.jpg For the overgown, start by picturing a non-bust-supporting GFD that skims over the body but doesn't fit it closely. Give it a front placket opening down to hip level, hiding a hook-and-eyes closure. The neckline should be cut square (when you cut it square, it'll slip off the shoulders a bit when worn and no longer look square--this is the correct look) and high; up to about collarbone level. Much like the French and Flemish in the 1490s, the English c1500 sometimes put an angled-up peak at the center front of the neckline, like in that second link. A fabric guard, most often shown as black, was usually applied to the neckline and front opening. Most or all of the overgowns seem to have been lined in some type of fur, which may be part of the reason for the high frumpiness level. (Apart from the frumpiness, the overgown is very very similar to that worn in the 1490s on the continent. There are quite a lot of Franco-Flemish paintings & illuminations that show it.) On the continent, they were experimenting with waist seams across the back that had pleats below, but not in England--no waist seams on this style there yet. On most of the brasses, the length of the gown is past-the-floor, but that's not necessarily realistic. The sleeves are usually relatively closely fitted, with a large turned-up fur-lined cuff at the end, often with a slit. The one non-typical feature of the top image I linked to is the chemise; a more typical look would be a sheer white scarf with the ends tucked down into the overgown's neckline. (Just make a basic, tunic-style, not-meant-to-be-seen chemise.) The belt, however, is very typical; big, bulky, long, decorative, and buckled loosely so that it hangs off the hips. The kennel/pediment gable hood is also almost universal. I'm not much of a shoe expert, but on some brasses of the time I've seen little pointy toes sticking out from under the hem. The big bearclaw type shoes don't seem to have hit England yet at this time, but don't quote me on that. As far as patterns go, there's none out there that I know of that get it all right, but I'd bet you can come up with your own! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:32:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALWXvc025736 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:32:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALVNHc017948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALUrKQ089296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALUpIC054802; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23105.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23105.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBALUlJj054668 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27050 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 21:30:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=biRV39EgXFDi1Gf23fQ5Vkq+dWEtwXG+Bo542nmrHpeDCIy5xQ969wXEeQuX5o4j/Hsscnn2I9dFdjbrryjiYn2B2k/lAi6FxixlI8e256moaAqQHY4xfalb9COzcl6+Cz29y4RPRR43JT6wB9PJX8WvsEr1z1jMnF7INJUCxCA=; X-YMail-OSG: iBXxyX8VM1ldlUMc93x8WnZu9kq9hLdIkUXAM8ej8dUPs49Bct9A16jW8OqwOHgooTZYzdNua2O1fTsWcOYPedlXiMouW078e.0nfoZaQVzZYjEsNFB3yY2QN11xpz1C5EVg5pDjq7MUQ5Vj7ir5gKmKrUiQwF35hmb3ZXQ- Received: from [87.244.67.80] by web23105.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:30:42 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:30:42 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210204951.03c3bea8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <336403.25966.qm@web23105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0def0050-3560-48c2-8fec-3e4aefc35d6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4940352B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(editor@netherton.net@70.253.170.71) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 21:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <494036F9.10308@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:39:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 343d3410-1913-4a75-ab5b-75e9c2c6fb23 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49403838.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 29 A. Thurman wrote: > There's a book, "Women of Distinction: Margaret of York and Margaret > of Austria" - not sure about M of A but M of Y died in 1503, so some > of the photos might be helpful: > http://books.google.com/books?id=UquEJwAACAAJ&dq=margaret+of+york+women+of+distinction&client=firefox-a > > Also you might try looking at tomb effigies of the period in question, > but others might be able to better speak to that (paging Robin > Netherton?) Both effigies and brasses are plentiful in England at this point and are readily available in books. For brasses, search your available libraries for the keywords "monumental brasses" (good starts are the V&A's "Brass Rubbings" and the "Portfolio Plates" of the Monumental Brass Society). For effigies, search under "church monuments." There are fewer good collections for those, though; my own collection of effigy images is culled together from things like postcards and tourist pamphlets given out at historic churches. Otherwise I can't help with details on this period. This is a bit past my period of specialty; I'll refer you to E House (who's already gotten there with good info, I see), and Melanie Schuessler. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:45:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALjuKc026176 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALjnse028362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALjR5L093352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALjRUx070549; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALjOAv070492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAWry-0003rm-Ub for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:45:24 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210214047.03c43408@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:44:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <9ec4d8740812101318o297ae8bev5b5e4a82771ee666@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> <9ec4d8740812101318o297ae8bev5b5e4a82771ee666@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5598e65-7846-438b-b89d-de95a327ea8d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4940388D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 6365 Lines: 124 At 21:18 10/12/2008, you wrote: Thank you for all that help. I think it will be all a bit much for the customer. I am not making this outfit - they have an event, a one off, and are trying to make as little as possible. Bloomin' gable headdresses seem to be de rigeur at this time, and I can't see them making those somehow! I made them costumes of around 1570 for other events but they are not really suitable for quick and dirty conversions. However, I'll pass this on, with thanks again. Suzi >I'll give you a quick general run-down; I haven't got it in me right >now to look up all the documentation. Hopefully this'll give you a >good starting point. I'm guessing you're interested in English styles, >so I'll try to slant it that way, but I'll have to refer heavily to >continental styles because A) they're so much better documented and B) >a few years later when English fashions get easier to document, they >match up reasonably well with what the Franco-Flemish were doing 10-15 >years earlier. So, when I get continental, I'll try to describe what >they were wearing c1488-1493. > >Monumental brasses will be your best resource for c1500 English >fashions. They're not the most accurate source, but they're loads >better than almost nothing you'll find in the portraits arena. >However, Elizabeth of York's c1500 portrait shows what seems to be a >pretty typical style for the era/area, even if it is in much more >luxurious fabrics than your average gentlewoman would have been >wearing: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_of_York.jpg >Henry the VIII's sisters, Mary Tudor--who went on to queen it in >France--and Margaret Tudor, who queened Scotland, have a few >illuminations floating around; they were famous beauties. (The >portraits I've found of them are probably wrong for your project, >though there's a painting of Margaret that's only a few years too >late, and a sketch of Mary that's only a tad too French.) Catherine >of Aragon has at least one great portrait from c1505, during her >widowhood: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michel_Sittow_002.jpg >though again, the style she's wearing is not terribly English. Stick >with the brasses. > >If you search through google books, you'll find some transcripts of >descriptions of coronations, inventories, etc from around that time. >For example, here's the privy purse expenses of Elizabeth of York: >http://books.google.com/books?id=p91CAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22elizabeth+of+york%22 >(Sorry, this is just the first one I ran into in my bookmarks. >There's lots more good stuff there. The Victorians may have been >horrible costume historians in a lot of ways, but they were great at >transcribing.) > >On to the overall style. I read one great description in a >Spaniard-visits-the-Engligh-court travelogue from the mid 1500s; even >though it's the wrong date, it pretty well sums up the English >fashions c1500: frumpy and ill-fitting, making the women look >shapeless and sloppy. Franco-Flemish high fashion in the last years >of the 15th century had a well-fitted 4-panel square-necked overgown >over a bust-supporting 4-panel undergown (directly descended from the >GFD). The English c1500 most likely also wore a bust-supporting >undergown, but rather than fitting like a glove, their overgowns >tended to fit like a brown paper bag. > >(I'll be making sweeping generalizations here. This is not the only >style nor the only way it was done. It's just the most common, >stereotypical style.) > >For illustration purposes (but not documentation, since I don't know >exactly when this is from... but it's the right style), here's a >typical c1500 English outfit: >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick02.jpg >Here's a c1504 English brass--not as detailed, but more dateable: >http://www.thurrock-community.org.uk/historysoc/brasses/stiff2.jpg > >For the overgown, start by picturing a non-bust-supporting GFD that >skims over the body but doesn't fit it closely. Give it a front >placket opening down to hip level, hiding a hook-and-eyes closure. >The neckline should be cut square (when you cut it square, it'll slip >off the shoulders a bit when worn and no longer look square--this is >the correct look) and high; up to about collarbone level. Much like >the French and Flemish in the 1490s, the English c1500 sometimes put >an angled-up peak at the center front of the neckline, like in that >second link. A fabric guard, most often shown as black, was usually >applied to the neckline and front opening. Most or all of the >overgowns seem to have been lined in some type of fur, which may be >part of the reason for the high frumpiness level. > >(Apart from the frumpiness, the overgown is very very similar to that >worn in the 1490s on the continent. There are quite a lot of >Franco-Flemish paintings & illuminations that show it.) > >On the continent, they were experimenting with waist seams across the >back that had pleats below, but not in England--no waist seams on this >style there yet. On most of the brasses, the length of the gown is >past-the-floor, but that's not necessarily realistic. The sleeves are >usually relatively closely fitted, with a large turned-up fur-lined >cuff at the end, often with a slit. > >The one non-typical feature of the top image I linked to is the >chemise; a more typical look would be a sheer white scarf with the >ends tucked down into the overgown's neckline. (Just make a basic, >tunic-style, not-meant-to-be-seen chemise.) The belt, however, is very >typical; big, bulky, long, decorative, and buckled loosely so that it >hangs off the hips. The kennel/pediment gable hood is also almost >universal. > >I'm not much of a shoe expert, but on some brasses of the time I've >seen little pointy toes sticking out from under the hem. The big >bearclaw type shoes don't seem to have hit England yet at this time, >but don't quote me on that. > >As far as patterns go, there's none out there that I know of that get >it all right, but I'd bet you can come up with your own! > >-E House >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:46:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALkK74026192 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALj5NN023660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALiZrL093308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALiYHt069850; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBALiUZ9069725 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 35444 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 21:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.6.149?) (melanie@75.46.6.149 with plain) by smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:44:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QVvo_VoVM1naBlW4XoQ.ONI87frQi8fEEgAmztGto3leAIVKujQ..11oi8Z1yU17WjVU7XRZU3JXWTJOvuD7s8DztVdCIqLrwWyTgR5U.04y9YV.ZhYCWDsgRO4Z6bv_10k- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <494036F9.10308@netherton.net> References: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> <494036F9.10308@netherton.net> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88aac47f-e30a-4403-a8c4-53b791dc6ae6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49403861.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:45:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 439 Lines: 15 On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Otherwise I can't help with details on this period. This is a bit > past my period of specialty; I'll refer you to E House (who's > already gotten there with good info, I see), and Melanie Schuessler. Replied privately. :) Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:46:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALkkKP026206 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALkeaj029157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALkO4Y093466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALkMGb071366; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALkK8o071317 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so310046and.26 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=eC9Sblu1fqArSzLw1V+pH109Et+ca7AOh6dU6YABzv8=; b=Z0vwif62TuTrqqY24DeMqYU5fAAWWItFGKg56ENZzhyuBxujLx70HMRw4vl8A/qNto +/USX1Y2eS0rAXlrijvSl1T67YEzN/SRsszxgz7IV0CPIhbjbaLmMrOmR2DmF1DoN8yx 39+VQlAOcuJ+KlXJoEdAjBK7DE6ThmOMj9Qgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sZfFccT6XxPkC8cuO8z50HhBchXvwHNTfdG8YRmnyDIIgy/IEua9J/FQVLvgM32Rwx NCP2SdsZPqMWUeLjiRT2f3Z/nIGAbH7KJhvTgI4f5jxMWL+XkRbYwygkAzw9dFTUA/zF GoV8N2UXuttuHLkqT6UeJLq7AQG6BTwjp8PDo= Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr1489016ane.127.1228945579839; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.42.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ec4d8740812101346k4cddc27veb3b8c0f208e6507@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:19 -0500 From: "Elena House" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20081210.150108.10705.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081210.150108.10705.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52537318-3601-41cb-830a-211fb4464f21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494038C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 405 Lines: 12 Ahh, with Margaret you're in a bit of luck: http://tudorhistory.org/people/margaret/marsketch.jpg >From what you've said, I think that what I wrote about English fashions pretty much carries over, especially if you're dealing with Margaret's court. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:49:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALnr5i026326 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:49:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALnlPw002795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBALnbWM094501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALnbEp075011; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBALnY4K074970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAWw1-00049F-NI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:49:34 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210214645.03cb2bb8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:48:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <494036F9.10308@netherton.net> References: <7d21ac190812101120p7bc7e8c5q2029072ce054741c@mail.gmail.com> <494036F9.10308@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a812d42e-6c73-4c52-b652-02d5e5952f1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4940397B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:49:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1668 Lines: 42 At 21:39 10/12/2008, you wrote: >A. Thurman wrote: >>There's a book, "Women of Distinction: Margaret of York and Margaret >>of Austria" - not sure about M of A but M of Y died in 1503, so some >>of the photos might be helpful: >>http://books.google.com/books?id=UquEJwAACAAJ&dq=margaret+of+york+women+of+distinction&client=firefox-a >>Also you might try looking at tomb effigies of the period in question, >>but others might be able to better speak to that (paging Robin >>Netherton?) > >Both effigies and brasses are plentiful in England at this point and >are readily available in books. For brasses, search your available >libraries for the keywords "monumental brasses" (good starts are the >V&A's "Brass Rubbings" and the "Portfolio Plates" of the Monumental >Brass Society). For effigies, search under "church monuments." There >are fewer good collections for those, though; my own collection of >effigy images is culled together from things like postcards and >tourist pamphlets given out at historic churches. Thanks - so is my collection. I've passed on E.House and Melanie's information - thank goodness I'm not doing this one! Suzi >Otherwise I can't help with details on this period. This is a bit >past my period of specialty; I'll refer you to E House (who's >already gotten there with good info, I see), and Melanie Schuessler. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 16:51:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBALpRHj026378 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALpLiR031762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBAKrdZ7084360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAKrapJ020103; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBAKrXIB020054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAW3o-0007Rp-Hk for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:53:33 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210204822.03cabe60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:49:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <9ec4d8740812101027n12e4432by19ec4736d4debe2d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <9ec4d8740812101027n12e4432by19ec4736d4debe2d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 187ec6b6-830f-4b8d-974b-d98a823a5138 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494039D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 433 Lines: 14 At 18:27 10/12/2008, you wrote: >What area? I've got tons from the continent, but very little (other >than the occasional royals) for England. Scotland - just to be difficult, but France or England would do. Henry Vlll's sister returning to Scotland from ?France I understand. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 18:53:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBANr3fD030772 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:53:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBANqtkN006674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:52:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBANqDF3004853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBANqBEN084075; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com (mail-ew0-f20.google.com [209.85.219.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBANq8LS083970 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so1113540ewy.23 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I+hWuPERXSeMfmwnNcws4s8+9EvfT5RvWwMi4EbsWQw=; b=Ngs/UURRExaiRWOzMd3NyNV7/Lfiwp9MDc7YQJTrhXoL/5VzPAhy1sWp2AeIjEiuo1 eD1MI8Rryxqoq+C6orh1GGn4nSqDA1pzYvdNjcab9qRVHWEtQJeDMpIlStGC/NAkNTRE lZ1fuTc1LDPdzrs1Uc8Mk5tF8/pVQPEDjcdlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r5pUNNjAeAo+Uon6nYmV8ZFYwV4QmozRXn1O3g5JQhwR02eGeOwYvxoqR6nUwfP2uD bZywyXzbElT3n33YmZFUekEIu483K/wH1XszMFPy7wzmWIEhUG3wtQyP0/eeMNIrLmbh 4QNy9vJXm9V5Rjo2+q+xHd+IAS34jRVh04B28= Received: by 10.210.51.10 with SMTP id y10mr2408252eby.27.1228953121663; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5acb5f33.bb.sky.com [90.203.95.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t12sm235464gvd.13.2008.12.10.15.51.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49405620.80806@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:52:00 +0000 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081105 Thunderbird/2.0.0.18 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <49400A18.9020502@googlemail.com> <9ec4d8740812101318o297ae8bev5b5e4a82771ee666@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081210214047.03c43408@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210214047.03c43408@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 595c33a2-e930-4794-99c8-9f028feeb155 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49405657.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:52:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 7098 Lines: 139 In Margaret's wedding portrait she is wearing a small French hood. Scottish fashions were often more French-influenced. (I always feel sorry for Margaret, she looks so young and a bit dumpy, aged 13, compared to her sister Mary who was 18 in her wedding portrait and renowned as the most beautiful princess in Europe!) Jean Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 21:18 10/12/2008, you wrote: > > Thank you for all that help. I think it will be all a bit much for the > customer. I am not making this outfit - they have an event, a one off, > and are trying to make as little as possible. Bloomin' gable > headdresses seem to be de rigeur at this time, and I can't see them > making those somehow! I made them costumes of around 1570 for other > events but they are not really suitable for quick and dirty conversions. > > However, I'll pass this on, with thanks again. > > Suzi > >> I'll give you a quick general run-down; I haven't got it in me right >> now to look up all the documentation. Hopefully this'll give you a >> good starting point. I'm guessing you're interested in English styles, >> so I'll try to slant it that way, but I'll have to refer heavily to >> continental styles because A) they're so much better documented and B) >> a few years later when English fashions get easier to document, they >> match up reasonably well with what the Franco-Flemish were doing 10-15 >> years earlier. So, when I get continental, I'll try to describe what >> they were wearing c1488-1493. >> >> Monumental brasses will be your best resource for c1500 English >> fashions. They're not the most accurate source, but they're loads >> better than almost nothing you'll find in the portraits arena. >> However, Elizabeth of York's c1500 portrait shows what seems to be a >> pretty typical style for the era/area, even if it is in much more >> luxurious fabrics than your average gentlewoman would have been >> wearing: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_of_York.jpg >> Henry the VIII's sisters, Mary Tudor--who went on to queen it in >> France--and Margaret Tudor, who queened Scotland, have a few >> illuminations floating around; they were famous beauties. (The >> portraits I've found of them are probably wrong for your project, >> though there's a painting of Margaret that's only a few years too >> late, and a sketch of Mary that's only a tad too French.) Catherine >> of Aragon has at least one great portrait from c1505, during her >> widowhood: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michel_Sittow_002.jpg >> though again, the style she's wearing is not terribly English. Stick >> with the brasses. >> >> If you search through google books, you'll find some transcripts of >> descriptions of coronations, inventories, etc from around that time. >> For example, here's the privy purse expenses of Elizabeth of York: >> http://books.google.com/books?id=p91CAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22elizabeth+of+york%22 >> >> (Sorry, this is just the first one I ran into in my bookmarks. >> There's lots more good stuff there. The Victorians may have been >> horrible costume historians in a lot of ways, but they were great at >> transcribing.) >> >> On to the overall style. I read one great description in a >> Spaniard-visits-the-Engligh-court travelogue from the mid 1500s; even >> though it's the wrong date, it pretty well sums up the English >> fashions c1500: frumpy and ill-fitting, making the women look >> shapeless and sloppy. Franco-Flemish high fashion in the last years >> of the 15th century had a well-fitted 4-panel square-necked overgown >> over a bust-supporting 4-panel undergown (directly descended from the >> GFD). The English c1500 most likely also wore a bust-supporting >> undergown, but rather than fitting like a glove, their overgowns >> tended to fit like a brown paper bag. >> >> (I'll be making sweeping generalizations here. This is not the only >> style nor the only way it was done. It's just the most common, >> stereotypical style.) >> >> For illustration purposes (but not documentation, since I don't know >> exactly when this is from... but it's the right style), here's a >> typical c1500 English outfit: >> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick02.jpg >> Here's a c1504 English brass--not as detailed, but more dateable: >> http://www.thurrock-community.org.uk/historysoc/brasses/stiff2.jpg >> >> For the overgown, start by picturing a non-bust-supporting GFD that >> skims over the body but doesn't fit it closely. Give it a front >> placket opening down to hip level, hiding a hook-and-eyes closure. >> The neckline should be cut square (when you cut it square, it'll slip >> off the shoulders a bit when worn and no longer look square--this is >> the correct look) and high; up to about collarbone level. Much like >> the French and Flemish in the 1490s, the English c1500 sometimes put >> an angled-up peak at the center front of the neckline, like in that >> second link. A fabric guard, most often shown as black, was usually >> applied to the neckline and front opening. Most or all of the >> overgowns seem to have been lined in some type of fur, which may be >> part of the reason for the high frumpiness level. >> >> (Apart from the frumpiness, the overgown is very very similar to that >> worn in the 1490s on the continent. There are quite a lot of >> Franco-Flemish paintings & illuminations that show it.) >> >> On the continent, they were experimenting with waist seams across the >> back that had pleats below, but not in England--no waist seams on this >> style there yet. On most of the brasses, the length of the gown is >> past-the-floor, but that's not necessarily realistic. The sleeves are >> usually relatively closely fitted, with a large turned-up fur-lined >> cuff at the end, often with a slit. >> >> The one non-typical feature of the top image I linked to is the >> chemise; a more typical look would be a sheer white scarf with the >> ends tucked down into the overgown's neckline. (Just make a basic, >> tunic-style, not-meant-to-be-seen chemise.) The belt, however, is very >> typical; big, bulky, long, decorative, and buckled loosely so that it >> hangs off the hips. The kennel/pediment gable hood is also almost >> universal. >> >> I'm not much of a shoe expert, but on some brasses of the time I've >> seen little pointy toes sticking out from under the hem. The big >> bearclaw type shoes don't seem to have hit England yet at this time, >> but don't quote me on that. >> >> As far as patterns go, there's none out there that I know of that get >> it all right, but I'd bet you can come up with your own! >> >> -E House >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 19:05:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBB05dqU031200 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:05:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBB05XgC000898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:05:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBB05E7H005603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBB05Cva093158; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBB059Hj093049 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21332 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2008 00:05:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=yIMzHe4LmYVKFLUMHDDVVruSU7M/IKibHCxdaufYLwuNJ8tEzhC6PG6wQsMoWKDzwbdopyVA+sLRxZ66RLCOYY21rrtysOuq5d2do6vQ+xSUIoksCgEjZxVzDhTwRpcb+dbRojNnwNVWsxo6MizUpgL3fnFFKoXDCMlj7oVukvo=; X-YMail-OSG: X5m2EjYVM1lhRNP6g4VYiM99jYEu79NeHuGdFzoqnF5M_fWokM.mtUJIJcuz16GEHdNHVcWvwOWYolYiJz0P4FsRp34yuaG4bFsxO5MeuweSuoe7Q2hwBjHEhlZJNSgsZ1itPAbzQN3GwqXEzFv029d6ou.RAbE5pYyHP8PGvpHJ0bRu8Pkc1t9RNeIn Received: from [68.127.112.63] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:03 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <716896.20471.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 695b8085-f9f2-4e6c-9d76-f151fbc01845 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4940594D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:05:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_PRIVPROT autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 957 Lines: 30 Hello Suzi, I have a few on my web site, mostly culled from illuminations of the time. 1500s (mostly French or Flemish illuminations) For women: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1500/index.html and http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1500/index.html For men: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorMen/1500/index.html I have other images from Henry VII to a bit after Henry VIII died. But the scanning of the images have been a bit slow going, as I still have a stack of images to scan in when I can. Kimiko --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Suzi Clarke wrote: > Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where > I can find pictures for this period. One of my regular > customers needs information, and it is not a period I do. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 10 19:39:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBB0d0Hs031845 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:39:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBB0cs5c016051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:38:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBB0cat1007674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBB0cZWZ013138; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBB0cWOJ013047 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42970 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2008 00:38:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LhVsQh4L0eZHaeYlRKdqE/aCnHCV+aHLXAw3PNIshujI39ip3X0i0wOtq8siIj1nFdzFFLEhlBIML4vGeSiTK8y7RuGYudPzDQZ00C9aWgahL4oMO3kXwjiZNDAia4FHQO22ZVa3SHILk8j82m6q08qlyLr1Nu6rOEhONAfnW7A=; X-YMail-OSG: ZSQJp2kVM1mkEI.Xbyh7BzwoXLHbFKSF0eG9dE2BhW5gKgK4kUPTqjWIAXonLwAbYtOd5cjMUhASlELqpKObecamXgBrUKELIcz7NMMhG4n0byxLxmzP2dppxUCXO4S8Am8mgxeFN3iHMZptwrS5Bob_.ppAAx3B9E6U616k2NkKcrPNeIR0U4TUUYq1 Received: from [68.127.112.63] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:38:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210214047.03c43408@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <739976.41304.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9640c85c-d6b3-4da6-b4e6-dd09671ac08c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4940611E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1120 Lines: 25 --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Suzi Clarke wrote: > Bloomin' gable > headdresses seem to be de rigeur at this time, and I > can't see them > making those somehow! Suzi, Something I've been working on are the Anne of Brittany style of "French" hoods. They really are simple to create (a rectangle actually seems to be a workable base, or you can turn to Norris' Tudor book for a more shaped pattern), and work very well when worn & attached over a simple biggin or coif, with a billiment made from a string of pearls. I don't have a dress diary of my progress stuff, but it is a suggestion instead of the gable. I need to finish my final mockups and do the completed dress diary after the holidays. And gables from this early in the century also appear to be simple hoods, with less structure than even a decade later. I've yet to play around with them, but that's been the idea I've been seeing in my eye when I look at the images. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 11 08:04:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBBD4bbb016194 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:04:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBBD4Vqv008780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBBD4FJX053633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBD4CbG097339; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBD47dS097270 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA28B581AB6 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:04:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v4wqQ87rD2QY for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:04:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-247.193.127.121.grapevine.net.au [121.127.193.247]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384975818CA for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:04:05 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:04:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acla7J2f2xnenuMZSo+zukyKX1+BqgAo8VQQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Message-Id: <20081211130405.384975818CA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 962afa4d-830b-4feb-a2ad-1b5c8aa24573 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49410FDF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:04:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 807 Lines: 28 Have you looked at the Tudor Effigies database http://www.tudoreffigies.co.uk/ HTH Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2008 4:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 Does anyone have web sites, or recommendations as to where I can find pictures for this period. One of my regular customers needs information, and it is not a period I do. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 11 08:43:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBBDhDb2016927 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:43:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBBDh4WI009345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:43:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBBDghqw058248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBDgg3w024004; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBDgesv023971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-45-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.45.66] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAloN-000675-MV for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:42:40 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081211133952.03c48388@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:42:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20081211130405.384975818CA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210172457.03c2b050@suziclarke.co.uk> <20081211130405.384975818CA@flexo.grapevine.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f380b443-3925-40d4-ad02-a5192b95a3a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494118E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:43:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 689 Lines: 21 At 13:04 11/12/2008, you wrote: >Have you looked at the Tudor Effigies database >http://www.tudoreffigies.co.uk/ >HTH >Elizabeth Unfortunately there is nothing of 1503, and only 5 images before 1520. I am well aware that the effigies do not always "match" their dates, usually being slightly earlier than the tomb date, but unfortunately all the ladies have gable or kennel headdresses, something I really want to avoid, as badly made ones look awful, and I will have no control over the making of these garments. Thanks anyway. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 11 10:23:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBBFNmpJ019068 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:23:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBBFNhvk004390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBBFNQ6L065447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:23:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBFNP2O091464; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBFNL46091233 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 34661 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 15:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.6.149?) (melanie@75.46.6.149 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 15:23:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j6iyNtEVM1mRRBWFRj5FIURT96se1um4clPeYpSMmUQZdxj1lUhNL1BP8sYc4d9EO6laMSc.daKezZjVbLgt2Pluii.qv6iSUgOjhwbD086nK2OjZWyoOiNNzbH1ZwuTyUs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <739976.41304.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <739976.41304.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <70C987AB-2106-4E3B-9FED-92C7CBF110DB@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:24:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14858c70-9a77-42bc-86cc-b2a728a4b1aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4941307F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 970 Lines: 23 On Dec 10, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > > Something I've been working on are the Anne of Brittany style of > "French" hoods. They really are simple to create (a rectangle > actually seems to be a workable base, or you can turn to Norris' > Tudor book for a more shaped pattern), and work very well when worn > & attached over a simple biggin or coif, with a billiment made from > a string of pearls. This is an excellent idea. I would stick with simple shapes rather than going to Norris, who is making it up. These early draped hoods are really lovely. They should actually have a tail on the back, being descended from earlier hoods with liripipes, but the style is so little-known that no one would notice the absence if you left it off and just did a plain drape. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 11 19:31:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBC0VlNF032482 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:31:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBC0VcRW020045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:31:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBC0VLT1006796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBC0V6Xv078467; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBC0V23F078347 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33826 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2008 00:30:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rjrf2WSLjh0O9Winy2QnQ3DuKpeXrpo5OIj7JpaJ+V6g0KgW7NrhLJnfePe0d4JlHky2+yulWbHOB3y7toUair5OK29JyzgO0AE9BMciwYLAA/Fssr3c8ZLNsYOm0vUJhs3UuFhEbO/vXXaaW0BoX5RtCPh0vkIZ/DwnI5U5gRg=; X-YMail-OSG: yLB0t4MVM1m.QDMl_zFhfdVwu0wLvzZR4mzMNt4SU_OSCMFrrMKx4gJ6G6ne3erMrS.O2OE7UV4tdKiMzznaQwhfmFuRdYPCKy0_X.LTNndRiwNjw6gTrZqNVrfHh6iKou_uHdN6LCToTzouBXqW_At5zn_7n4Qp61WJFvm_sOdfufRsfuLhlgx7IYg9 Received: from [68.127.112.63] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:30:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <70C987AB-2106-4E3B-9FED-92C7CBF110DB@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <785536.33366.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8527ef8e-97eb-4ec4-96e0-cd234c0b39c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4941B0EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:31:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_PRIVPROT autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1845 Lines: 32 --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > This is an excellent idea. I would stick with simple > shapes rather than going to Norris, who is making it up. > These early draped hoods are really lovely. They should > actually have a tail on the back, being descended from > earlier hoods with liripipes, but the style is so > little-known that no one would notice the absence if you > left it off and just did a plain drape. > > Melanie Schuessler Thank you Melanie, I made my mockups starting with Norris' shape, and then realized like you said that he was making that one up, tho it was close. It took a few mockups to end up trying just the rectangle, and that looks quite close, once wired and billimented - but I will admit that it is hard to tell sometimes when most hoods are painted in black on black. The one image I have that showed the back having that hanging liripipe end seemed to not look exactly like the Anne of Brittany style, but a slightly larger, fuller hood, at least to my eye. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1500/ManConfessD3.html It may be that both are descended from the same style of hood, or are just similar in style. The other AoB hoods I have images of, I don't see anything to suggest the liripipe - tho just about all of those images I have seen show front or side views, not a definitive back view where the front is clearly the AoB style. Although I do wonder about the image I have above, if the front of that hood is turned down over the front of the head during prayer, and then turned back to show off the colored lining we see on the AoB style of hood. Speculation completely on my part. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 11 23:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBC4Y9QV004839 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBC4Y3tc014781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBC4XXiZ021376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBC4XT3o010977; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp119.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp119.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBC4XPKx010876 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:33:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: (qmail 48058 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 04:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.46.6.149?) (melanie@75.46.6.149 with plain) by smtp119.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 04:33:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b9H_SyIVM1lv_av9o3JwXTy9WPoYewyjjdKwAP8aPRtUclW1ohoFtSimBa7q46LpnoKdTW2CogrGu6oQCagNzQfjnOjcpwlGfyLFoKIbOo51SdkWgSMM996.jDroZze3xgqAAw0v9jtHc0mMzQztaOkF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <785536.33366.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <785536.33366.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9952AB7F-B8ED-4898-931B-BB605BA353FF@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:35:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladies Clothing - gentry, c. 1503 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64d6ef52-d22a-4da1-9a3f-7a276fc7444b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4941E9BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_PRIVPROT autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1557 Lines: 34 On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > > The one image I have that showed the back having that hanging > liripipe end seemed to not look exactly like the Anne of Brittany > style, but a slightly larger, fuller hood, at least to my eye. > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1500/ManConfessD3.html > It may be that both are descended from the same style of hood, or > are just similar in style. The other AoB hoods I have images of, I > don't see anything to suggest the liripipe - tho just about all of > those images I have seen show front or side views, not a definitive > back view where the front is clearly the AoB style. That's an earlier 15th-century style, close to the original fitted hood with liripipe. It developed in several different directions, with the tail getting wider and flatter as time went on. One style had longer versions of the lappets you see in that one with a split at the shoulder, and one had a shorter drape without lappets. There's a portrait medal of Anne of Brittany in profile that shows the tail pretty clearly. http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/21429-popup.html In a larger image of it you can see that the drape has a border, while the tail does not. There is also an illumination of Anne that shows the two different parts quite clearly. http://www.themorgan.org/collections/swf/exhibOnline.asp?id=364 Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 10:07:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFF7MoC011975 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFF7GbW013127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:07:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFF6lbe053679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFF6gg9082260; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFF6d6N082177 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W54 ([65.55.138.89]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:06:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:06:34 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2008 15:06:34.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[B85BA880:01C95EC6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Cyclopdedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc40a6f5-0b42-48c4-805e-472fef918fc1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494672A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 503 Lines: 10 http://www.archive.org/details/p1cyclopediaofco01planuoft I was reading the OED word of the day and saw this reference. You can tell from the archive that it has been downloaded ~ 300 times, so I am sure some of you have already seen it. But it was new to me and has some really fun drawings in it....like check out the drawing of the liripipe hood. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 11:59:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFGxHmF022083 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFGxAiB004787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFGwgVf062512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFGwe2v079357; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFGwbcr079224 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from BLU124-W3 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:58:32 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.116.28.195] From: JAMES OGILVIE To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:58:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2008 16:58:32.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C74F1B0:01C95ED6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopdedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3647a88a-82f8-4085-baa9-3e3f68f11b96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49468CDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 792 Lines: 9 Personally, I liked the entry for coat-hardy. Thanks for sharing this link - I don't know how much it will teach us about costume, but I find these kinds of pages really useful when I'm doing collage. Janet > > http://www.archive.org/details/p1cyclopediaofco01planuoft> > I was reading the OED word of the day and saw this reference. You can tell from the archive that it has been downloaded ~ 300 times, so I am sure some of you have already seen it. But it was new to me and has some really fun drawings in it....like check out the drawing of the liripipe hood.> > Sg> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 13:22:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFIMWUf029050 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFIMOto002670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFILgQE068687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFILcu0061501; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFILapf061453 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1143561yxb.71 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=Gw9PLmFY3Re+6oMLZULmIqr+arxQlG9d78oGbtQE0Kg=; b=Glnta5fn430f5nq0Dk6d3chTGyNXafvC7BstmCmqWQiD5FjobBGUsPdo+rMZc3UqeX n5WYdztpkyD0qpEue3N5w7ChUmTRyYT3hby8ZjgskbnBRNNZvtA2pHUPygcSVF2HNIXN /MOIxOzV5ZgGTyckOqKMpWfIJyrsxBmxprx6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=sP935ft2X5W4J1Aaxdix5EKtK39KGjmjlL9r/75WtmrbjD+bCkbUzx6I0b5bg2klZD 4xMT2NOGf1dk9W6MgXjbQZTzwmR6gz3Vh0633CtvRnGyPggBDAz9j7QS/P4DMK2pwF5j cWMjJfduMryLNG1TsBMBThBop42Ggzu8kt87E= Received: by 10.142.54.11 with SMTP id c11mr2437986wfa.14.1229365295205; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm10105249wfc.39.2008.12.15.10.21.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acle1zXHVtbxFh9eQYyI0eJvbpnZ2QACMxrQ Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f06b34cd-3666-421c-a60e-1d74b8946c49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4946A060.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(editor@netherton.net@70.253.170.71) by 209.237.134.181 with ESMTPA; 15 Dec 2008 18:55:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:43 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d38c310d-ddf2-4850-8fad-cd30d0caf59a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4946A84B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1192 Lines: 24 Chiara Francesca wrote: > This is one of my favorite costuming book collections! > > Thanks for the heads up. I have been trying for years to save up enough for all 4 volumes. :) Are you certain you're thinking of the same book? Every edition I've seen of Planche's Cyclopedia is two volumes (sometimes rebound as one volume). I still find this on open stacks sometimes, esp. at old city or college libraries. I see on WorldCat that there are a handful of libraries that list an edition that was created from combining the British and US editions as "two volumes in four"; perhaps that is what you're thinking of? It's not the standard, though. I should note that, fun as this is, it is a notoriously unreliable source. Those of you who have seen my lecture on Victorian costume scholarship may recall that I spend a long time on Planche, and I show a number of slides from the Cyclopedia to demonstrate his habits of "correcting" costume details and his reliance on other people's drawings rather than actual medieval works. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 14:23:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFJN0uq001850 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:23:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFJMnam029336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFJMMfs072784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFJMKfM017737; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFJMIKp017704 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1081156and.26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:22:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :message-id; bh=bwV3oRVoczuXgRxxMWPHWwpWc5WOBriVc8GuY5jjaZs=; b=a6F4t5mKeZHq4F/XUHtJTTGNLB3UIUR7dZcTl4Ysshnj2/ZJoVPBgcdnLuzObVWjXl jY3GU1bvlHo01Dhb6pebiNJU1RuaElhxz9kXXzjPqnYnHYmtyp3+r7/r/BnYWkzfSJMY Bsup+YsLu041W0tFBZan2Vo3zzl1xv0HoSQkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:message-id; b=AfkWh24P27Z0em/6neHE1C6z44jYk2rnAlxUxHYrkbvGZCklaMbCcF1eMa8R8WDWyb Fh2JctlRErPDzPZiFvP0WHOnlPUkySscNAxk4EHpkgpU1bcKdT3gOOCtt5b9JuPSI/bY cFVWDFJS54lzStU4jYAA5qeeeI5bzeDrHlFoo= Received: by 10.142.199.10 with SMTP id w10mr2908115wff.345.1229368937671; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC (c-24-16-125-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.16.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm8422940wff.12.2008.12.15.11.22.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:22:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acle5ts1la6SzOmaTRakLwdvU95O4gAAj8ww Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4946ae68.1e068e0a.5163.ffffb82c@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e0031a1-507a-40b8-b12a-73eec618b4e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4946AE89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:43 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:19:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2008 20:19:43.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[77983490:01C95EF2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06695cbf-34d3-4f4a-afe0-43468ebbc278 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4946BBFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:20:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 772 Lines: 22 The online version lists at least 3 volumes.... Sg > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:43 -0600 > From: robin@netherton.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume > > Chiara Francesca wrote: > > This is one of my favorite costuming book collections! > > > > Thanks for the heads up. I have been trying for years to save up enough for all 4 volumes. :) > > Are you certain you're thinking of the same book? Every edition I've seen of > Planche's Cyclopedia is two volumes (sometimes rebound as one volume). I still > find this on open stacks sometimes, esp. at old city or college libraries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 16:01:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFL1mIw004838 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:01:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFL0H2f001383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFKxRfV080630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFKxP74005275; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19FcwVbdVwB3vQgohndUoFx+hb6hUc0ch8@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFKxLHT005208 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBFKxKGC000807 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:59:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 26898 invoked by uid 80); 15 Dec 2008 20:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.170.71) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 15 Dec 2008 20:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4946C523.7030801@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:59:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 892d91d9-b135-4b8e-aeca-91c168b12c9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4946C561.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:01:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1061 Lines: 26 Saragrace Knauf wrote: > The online version lists at least 3 volumes.... > Sg What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272 midsentence. The title page says "IN TWO VOLUMES. VOL. I. THE DICTIONARY." That's consistent with WorldCat listings that say Vol. 1 is the dictionary and Vol. 2 is a general history. A few pages later, there's a note to "subscribers" (presumably people who would have paid in advance and received the work in sections) noting that they should save the illustrations "for binding with the General History, for the illustration of which they were specially designed." However, for "those who prefer dividing the plates," there's a suggested placement for eight of the illustrations within the Dictionary. The last of them is to go across from p. 499, so obviously I'm missing almost half of the book, or more. Did I miss downloading another file? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 15 16:26:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBFLQOfB005377 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:26:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFLQDn4012312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:26:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBFLPrS4082244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFLPpfx028751; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX182wXRTdeNcBryUdpjDrKDGIycypMWaHs0@mail40.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFLPmYc028683 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1h.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.186]) by mail40.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBFLPlb4017733 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:25:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 24419 invoked by uid 80); 15 Dec 2008 21:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.170.71) by 209.237.134.182 with ESMTPA; 15 Dec 2008 21:25:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4946CB56.2070502@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:42 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> <4946C523.7030801@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4946C523.7030801@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 929813ad-c9fe-4544-9943-ff46b251c3c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4946CB75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:26:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1536 Lines: 43 Robin Netherton wrote: > Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> The online version lists at least 3 volumes.... >> Sg > > What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272 > midsentence. OK, answering my own question. The link forwarded to the list was to Volume 1, part 1. There are also pages for Vol. 1, part 2: http://www.archive.org/details/p2cyclopediaofc01planuoft Vol 2, part 1: http://www.archive.org/details/p1cyclopediaofco02planuoft and Vol. 2, part 2: http://www.archive.org/details/p2cyclopediaofco02planuoft Still, there are only two volumes. This library's copy (according to the listing) has been split and bound into four books. The split of Volume 1 is hardly thoughtful, as the first book ends midsentence on p. 272, in the middle of "Head-Dress." Part 2 picks up with p. 273, nothing before that, and ends on p. 527, although there are two plates stuck at the end (one of them scanned upside-down). I haven't looked to see where the rest of the plates are bound, or if they're missing. Volume 2, the General History, is also split midsentence, between pages 216 and 217 (out of a total of 448). This will be really useful to have at home. I've spent way too much time with it at way too many libraries ... but I wouldn't recommend it for anything but entertainment. I use it mostly for tracking down the origins of costume myths. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 16 09:46:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBGEkZdv028898 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:46:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBGEkTnP025428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBGEk04r052399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBGEjvSO035355; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBGEjsN5035255 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:45:49 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:45:49 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4946C523.7030801@netherton.net> References: <4946a02d.20038e0a.2417.4434@mx.google.com> <4946A82F.8010400@netherton.net> <4946C523.7030801@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2008 14:45:49.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCB9B960:01C95F8C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 455ddad9-65e5-4b32-9245-b4b57698b2ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4947BF45.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1650 Lines: 42 My mistake, I was looking at this page:http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=cyclopedia%20costume and read "...commencement of the Christian era to the accession of George the Third (Volume 2, Pt.1)" My eyes and brain read Third Volume.... Sg > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:59:15 -0600 > From: robin@netherton.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume > > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > The online version lists at least 3 volumes.... > > Sg > > What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272 > midsentence. > > The title page says "IN TWO VOLUMES. VOL. I. THE DICTIONARY." That's > consistent with WorldCat listings that say Vol. 1 is the dictionary and Vol. 2 > is a general history. > > A few pages later, there's a note to "subscribers" (presumably people who > would have paid in advance and received the work in sections) noting that they > should save the illustrations "for binding with the General History, for the > illustration of which they were specially designed." However, for "those who > prefer dividing the plates," there's a suggested placement for eight of the > illustrations within the Dictionary. The last of them is to go across from p. > 499, so obviously I'm missing almost half of the book, or more. > > Did I miss downloading another file? > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 00:43:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBH5hpFC006472 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:43:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBH5hi9a013577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:43:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBH5h8SB035827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH5h3w3030428; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f21.google.com (mail-bw0-f21.google.com [209.85.218.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH5h1FS030384 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so4894387bwz.23 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=nvVsBjvvj6nDAf1jJbJC45GJyu395BSMB5lRTIveNUY=; b=KY3JOjwcIWnGQRx4c8OSRLxjIZ7HDvTpDhC1B/qf3O4kMhf5+X9hktxUp0WgHt4k9f YIfi4n3qAuE/kzuLD8N4L3JgWEvzMieTgf6E6NDisGLLHy632nZovrMXjbYSgAkmm8ei //Evp1ccCoamIE/D24FpxbkHIVbYh9Kb5KRFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vr2/PMINtoObtAjx2kSiFiXiKWpdVWyBU/AIdYp+gvSbJc5coDC6ujSu5Uhfs8VbyK FVm2DZee4HoP2fhuj0NwIM1lD+UEg/6hU61DHrR/KrSYV7daCedOtqbEE0mpVQBDBmZY n66eMbf4CIZuPbZSZqBDcWBicHbDUGhDCJI+Q= Received: by 10.223.109.199 with SMTP id k7mr208192fap.45.1229492574948; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.195 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:42:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:42:54 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19d9cf0f-34a8-4f88-8f81-827ff6a85462 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49489190.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:43:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 738 Lines: 19 Dear List I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size patterns from an extant garment. Many thanks, Aylwen Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 03:39:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBH8dH21014518 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:39:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBH8dBsl021492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBH8cjPl040794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH8ch8G011537; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH8ceSR011507 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72FAF59393 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:38:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] need a clue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db87c1c4-30a1-4dcd-b813-71d2e13f146f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4948BAAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:39:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 261 Lines: 10 http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_1995.235a%2Cb.htm# what is trimming the edges of this gown's sleeve? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 03:50:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBH8oCno014974 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:50:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBH8o6TK024975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:50:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBH8nqHR041103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH8npMF016227; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH8nmYc016201 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from mompresario (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1LCs6E1idz-0001L0; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c96024$6d921870$6501a8c0@mompresario> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ENB0igAOaKnhBKJGggH6dxpvvVUfIK8Ba/ZB AuNPm+WUu7V+gNjKEDd/kw+SIu+SQodh/bu1Mwm5BV+VOLnW3a P9uj+0g9x8XOdlAS1LpfQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] need a clue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0caa59bf-a3ec-4025-9a0e-7786ea782c28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4948BD3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:50:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 800 Lines: 30 De, It looks like fly-fringe, What a beautiful dress. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] need a clue > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_1995.235a%2Cb.htm# > > what is trimming the edges of this gown's sleeve? > > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 04:05:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBH95EeI015782 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:05:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBH959B5000510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:05:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBH94jBu041556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH94ipN022790; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH94fkT022762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCsKe-0000oz-Qu for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:04:41 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081217090244.03c4d2e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:04:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] need a clue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68e876cb-534b-4118-a704-881aa4b3348b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4948C0C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:05:13 -0500 (EST) Status: O Content-Length: 508 Lines: 15 At 08:38 17/12/2008, you wrote: >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_1995.235a%2Cb.htm# > >what is trimming the edges of this gown's sleeve? It is "fly fringe", a handmade trim, usually from silk ribbon and thread. Apparently it used to be one of the things ladies did to keep their hands busy, like knotting. This one is very spectacular though. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 04:30:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBH9Uks5017307 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:30:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBH9UeeT009915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBH9TEC3042452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH9TDYq033984; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH9T9kg033929 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62C3F59388 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:29:09 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:29:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c96024$6d921870$6501a8c0@mompresario> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] need a clue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7c0ee88-a440-4bc0-a544-f2a86298aa08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4948C6C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] need a clue > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_1995.235a%2Cb.htm# > > what is trimming the edges of this gown's sleeve? > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 08:12:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHDCmnN025394 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHDCgNd026331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHD9pSv055278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHD9PB3071270; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au (flexo.grapevine.net.au [203.129.32.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHD9L5T071218 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1B15E8083 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:09:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from flexo.grapevine.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flexo.grapevine.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0fkbBlnJB2t for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:09:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from OfflinePC (ppp-129.43.129.203.grapevine.net.au [203.129.43.129]) by flexo.grapevine.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165FE5E808A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:09:19 +1100 (EST) From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "'Historical Costume'" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:08:59 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 Thread-Index: AclgCsi0C4m2+WahQryxaaulxEANMwAPWwLw Message-Id: <20081217130919.165FE5E808A@flexo.grapevine.net.au> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87c50cc8-b5fe-454e-88e8-1bc545042b8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4948FACB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1365 Lines: 37 Aylwen, What you actually want is called pattern grading if you Google that you might have more success (you'll probably find techniques for modern garments that you should hopefully be able to adapt for your pattern). Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2008 4:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Dear List I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size patterns from an extant garment. Many thanks, Aylwen Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 12:03:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHH3IEA000606 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:03:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHH3Cc9006642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:03:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHH2jE1075205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHH2gGC063679; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHH2cE4063517 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W21 ([65.55.138.56]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:02:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:33 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2008 17:02:33.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[41153030:01C96069] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Straw Helmet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c5168ff-1ef7-4eb3-b294-0f494180e539 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494930D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:03:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 257 Lines: 16 http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/ho_32.132.htm# Browsing the met stuff, found this. Too cool! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 12:58:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHHwr9Z002993 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHHwmGe001274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHHwSS3081225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHHwQsK023031; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHHwO1q022998 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so13261rvb.11 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=h/I4kggLN/Eb+GUaHs37ATU8T4ea9joskO41rOVos5I=; b=g+2bik0BJSAF2R1ldwwHIjRmiM7zd5AdMNEykZVc+nEejN1OeZJ73UXO3m5H42U9pl CVi3/xuKwML7DZaX6BV1DQuB7r+hfraG4z9KLtNDZj0vBji0t2QY5jR6W+E9MzxAfdbF vDwtRCauq4keDT5YfBSwLzldAa0DA9RMI6XfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=az8zhaqrcWkHYiupnGKPJ1Ng23dzBKg0bFsZnNyl3/5JcQOWbamjiV0WXipFZCnsU5 UdtUU91WEed6LsvwCEp6Gzf7JCJij7QQSjUSn8xGiWOmIRk3lWcbPhdCebdtvMFm3GJE u2N3QsDg3eQS+eC+qZHfhnhUUWiS+02/i2blU= Received: by 10.141.69.1 with SMTP id w1mr506641rvk.119.1229536704545; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.165.7 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0812170958t745b1e9fmde6412a4c703a28e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200811210201.mAL2197e039430@net.indra.com> <4926EA67.1020006@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Small-scale clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19578602-62d6-4071-8a2d-6f7e92127c48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49493DD8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 965 Lines: 31 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> Wow indeed. >> >> Also of interest, this appears to be a promo for the upcoming movie >> version of Coraline, an absolutely brilliant children's novel by Neil >> Gaiman. 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LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 13:03:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHI3ONe003240 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:03:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHI3Iui010494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHI2xcH081553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHI2wra027887; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHI2rH9027714 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25488 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 18:02:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=s7N5Dpg/QxJ6h4jWemqXuJe5gxnBjWkC/1smFRtGMUtuwLwyW9rYQ/ceFiKd3tBMzkqvYYHWPuEGUT/MoKQoM+yDLALyKwxEnTDMCvH0dmTUOCyyPvxbZoWuSLeAxNqMGhn9EU5Eb9jP5piYdXl+LK5TL7q3PVe+iqYN3EiNALs=; X-YMail-OSG: xTMeuPAVM1lk4SPA5fQMoFD8UExShtz0kY1RAH8wYeofpgmjXlN_svZt6zwfqYap8bG3c28wnn1Cgc7NTxcTJkRPv1abPZ_l_yy9bbj2_r6ZUE8XThUaeZxszEKM3x8Ecx1Ujwb677lyFLJy.SvCr6WWiTyuJ2misWlDLJq3Dze0ha_TOw4ri_qPthzPcXCwIa4VJlrGL98AnaFzzEAcsWBg Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:48 -0800 (PST) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <378318.25350.qm@web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c12b953-1d5f-48f2-ba44-745413b4b667 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49493EE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:03:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1510 Lines: 40 As to your question: is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? I may be over generalizing, but I think every garment manufacturer and pattern company on the planet uses a different one. Period garments from before, say, 1960 (again, generalizing) weren't designed to fit with the same ease as modern garments, so modern measurement tables may not be appropriate anyway. Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Aylwen Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:42:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Dear List I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size patterns from an extant garment. Many thanks, Aylwen Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 14:06:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHJ6Kpa005481 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:06:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHJ6DpL032653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHJ5rZg088338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHJ5ouf091980; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHJ5g8f091773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=63497 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1LD1i1-00013T-LI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:05:36 -0500 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:05:18 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:05:13 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <819E351EC23C491491F1FFE62E2BD6D9@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclgaespxAAa/EdaStODo5n5UAZ8DwAEGvAg X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:06:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 677 Lines: 30 That is one over the top sun bonnet, you bet! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:03 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Straw Helmet http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/ho_32.132.htm# Browsing the met stuff, found this. Too cool! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 15:08:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHK8NkJ008876 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHK8HmZ004948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHK7e3j094268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHK7bB2052903; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHK7Y2O052649 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from deb@mantua-maker.com) Received: from MantuaMaker (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mBHK7QFm008519 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:07:28 GMT Message-ID: <002301c96083$17033c00$3439da46@MantuaMaker> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:07:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bff25ef-37c8-4fae-b1ca-fa5d1f4282eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49495C31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_REPLY_C,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1437 Lines: 36 There is no overall easy change to grade a garment. You need to change one part a lot, and the other end just a hair in many cases. My favorite grading book is "Grading Techniques for Modern Design" by Price and Zamkoff. It shows lots of variations, and I can usually find something close to the garment I am grading. It's not perfect, but it is usually very close. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming, Spring 2009: Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, Definitions & Uses www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com Dear List I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size patterns from an extant garment. Many thanks, Aylwen Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 16:41:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHLf9kF012587 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:41:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHLf3FT021025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHLeY2r002486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLeV9q040829; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLeTTF040807 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so109855rvb.11 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:40:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=eyaQokTmm2SlIElsD7yxnKz4iUb7dlhnsJ0tDWSIMs4=; b=iOOvjCJEsXmLLncOjjbBIHMRBIaseuLuoky8RW9gaYCX0On/VQDPJta5w/zwPz/i4y GxCoMCqSjWIGlPNwUvOoVy/N4pqjmmANwssd+9iZQYJqLHozoHSvUOT8TICqcoK+U3FP zTgcyqYgLOIoHiwKKNk7I6bo/vEzV3M4ad2/Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jmgoMRGi3dkVTC3u74cUNYpMbkkaGj7B+xO52952UTJE3vR2IazSElixj4emqMQBy0 GspdD0bd/Ig0uuxgeuhzQrXu6l8v2mbKSJ7TlGReBm7VoKY2E9aa6Poi3DXvlp/g6mgA zqdtMnUZqZNsfWJbtq4pHKTFBR0BC8zJSwtIw= Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr614459rve.17.1229550028937; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.4 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:40:28 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002301c96083$17033c00$3439da46@MantuaMaker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002301c96083$17033c00$3439da46@MantuaMaker> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de312966-56ab-4a51-bb03-b93a590a78a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494971EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2182 Lines: 61 Another thought went through my mind - I could develop this pattern to fit modern sizing charts, but it was designed for a different figure that may have had regency stays on! This raises the question, if I'm drafting from an extant garment should I make it for a person wearing a corset? Will this isolate those who don't wear corsets, or encourage them to wear period undergarments? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Ph/sms 0409 817 623 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker wrote: > There is no overall easy change to grade a garment. You need to change one > part a lot, and the other end just a hair in many cases. > > My favorite grading book is "Grading Techniques for Modern Design" by Price > and Zamkoff. It shows lots of variations, and I can usually find something > close to the garment I am grading. It's not perfect, but it is usually very > close. > > Happy sewing, > Deb Salisbury > The Mantua-Maker > Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns > Renaissance to Victorian > Upcoming, Spring 2009: > Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, > Definitions & Uses > www.mantua-maker.com > http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com > > > Dear List > I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency > gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into > other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? > And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? > When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from > my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size > patterns from an extant garment. > Many thanks, > Aylwen > Bye for now, > > Aylwen Gardiner-Garden > http://www.regencyreproductions.com > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 16:47:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHLlmiY013171 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:47:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHLlgwA017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHLlNJ1004477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLlKtB048593; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHLlD3E048419 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80374 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 21:47:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CWk2JMLbhp+uqfIaiqbkL9gRlqtL1sRQO9r0TE8KNb1EJgNGTUOd8JEKVezQXgmvmNm5ypOPWspJ6b+7e63mMDeBwL35By7aLmJZCyMqeKMA8lEiTdd+Zm1pl7dD2rvRkf7kX7SVDWS2Cf9SjxsSnEyC7Qqy1aI6jeKgcl/59Mk=; X-YMail-OSG: Yx1Ni5sVM1nS9opAAz4iwiuwmXnITxvryZuI57shibf1ilrga41vL_a6YpH_srlATgL6p8AAP9DaHG5dq8IqnP.D3NJ7Ym8dpsaiMxVbg.IE_3RkfLrTsv1ZFdQ4_C46d92.Jk9N8MIDWvGdECSvNimqHNhOeDDm8qvzctlRX_AmoNyhiZVsf_LRLqJzMtHiLSVc8x7lJhz8KgA1OgYfPio4 Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:47:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <002301c96083$17033c00$3439da46@MantuaMaker> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <933419.80357.qm@web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6114158-765d-4d23-8d00-37ce559f565f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4949737E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2999 Lines: 81 Depends on your goal. If you want to *approximate* a period look, then you can draft it to be worn over modern undergarments, but it will only approximate the historic look. If you want it to look properly historic, the patterns must be drafted to be worn over the historic undergarments. Regency is tricky, to my eye if the best attempt at the historic look isn't made, the dress just looks like a modern, empire waist gown. FWIW, Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Aylwen Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:40:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Another thought went through my mind - I could develop this pattern to fit modern sizing charts, but it was designed for a different figure that may have had regency stays on! This raises the question, if I'm drafting from an extant garment should I make it for a person wearing a corset? Will this isolate those who don't wear corsets, or encourage them to wear period undergarments? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Ph/sms 0409 817 623 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker wrote: > There is no overall easy change to grade a garment. You need to change one > part a lot, and the other end just a hair in many cases. > > My favorite grading book is "Grading Techniques for Modern Design" by Price > and Zamkoff. It shows lots of variations, and I can usually find something > close to the garment I am grading. It's not perfect, but it is usually very > close. > > Happy sewing, > Deb Salisbury > The Mantua-Maker > Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns > Renaissance to Victorian > Upcoming, Spring 2009: > Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, > Definitions & Uses > www.mantua-maker.com > http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com > > > Dear List > I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency > gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into > other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? > And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? > When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from > my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size > patterns from an extant garment. > Many thanks, > Aylwen > Bye for now, > > Aylwen Gardiner-Garden > http://www.regencyreproductions.com > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 16:51:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHLpGdB013325 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:51:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHLnpwZ027544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHLnHxq004597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLnFCQ050320; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLn94T050242 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [192.168.15.1] (static-71-248-116-82.bltmmd.east.verizon.net [71.248.116.82]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHLn5Qo019429 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:49:05 -0800 Message-ID: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:53:19 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a49f294-0be9-4b09-8821-a99ae9361330 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494973FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 334 Lines: 11 Hi, I've been gifted with an old Singer Spartan sewing machine - but I could use the manual. Does anyone happen to have one? I'll pay you for a photocopy of it! thanks! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 16:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHLuRiW013600 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:56:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHLuM0I021608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:56:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHLu12F005039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLtxEc056617; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHLtqeN056441 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-EMAIL-CGPAV: Scanned X-AUS-EMAIL-Server: EMAIL Received: from [12.10.125.94] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.9) with HTTP id 92035951 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:55:47 -0600 From: "Karen Heim" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.9 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:55:47 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> References: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4aed5e33-ddf6-4996-b6cb-35cc600f1b65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49497586.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:56:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 689 Lines: 25 Have you checked singer.com? You can probably download the manual for free from them. Karen On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:53:19 -0500 Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I've been gifted with an old Singer Spartan sewing >machine - but I > could use the manual. Does anyone happen to have one? >I'll pay you for a > photocopy of it! > thanks! > > -Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 18:09:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHN9QYf017886 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:09:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHN9Lsl021231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHN8wgC009538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHN8skM020099; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHN8ndH020009 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [192.168.15.1] (static-71-248-116-82.bltmmd.east.verizon.net [71.248.116.82]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHN8ilR024200 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:44 -0800 Message-ID: <49498779.7070708@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:57 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29ae390b-68d6-4132-ab74-3cd288515b6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494986A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:09:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 604 Lines: 16 Karen Heim wrote: > Have you checked singer.com? You can probably download the manual for > free from them. > > thanks, Karen. They say they do, but the page doesn't work. I'll give them a call tomorrow. Gee, I wonder if I can find any of the accessories for it: I'd love to get a buttonholer after all the talk about how great the old singers were for buttonholing (I hate doing buttonholes, and my Kenmore isn't too fond of them either). -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 18:17:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHNH0HM018182 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:17:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHNGtZr024195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHNGR3A010045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHNGQPw026562; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp0.av-mx.com (smtp0.av-mx.com [137.118.16.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHNGLj6026468 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from twgilbert@fairpoint.net) Received: from Gilbert (dsl-69-50-49-241.pivot.net [69.50.49.241]) (Authenticated sender: twgilbert@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034011BFBB8 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <827D97B30F3842E5BDC2FC6E102869C7@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> <49498779.7070708@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <49498779.7070708@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 443107be-1e29-4e8c-b8f1-b44fc5bf8719 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49498867.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 679 Lines: 20 >Gee, I wonder if I can find any of the accessories > for it: I'd love to get a buttonholer after all the talk about how great > the old singers were for buttonholing (I hate doing buttonholes, and my > Kenmore isn't too fond of them either). I got a buttonholer kit for my Singer 220 from eBay, of all places, at a good price. Why not check there? Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 18:32:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBHNVuw2018778 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:31:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHNVpnv030335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBHNVToP010923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:31:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHNVQbh037946; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHNVH4s037840 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB5743D035E; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:29:27 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:30:10 -0800 Message-ID: <8053C166F810427280351DC32AD89FF5@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclgClimV8y4gsUQTj+Y72sHBhE1agAlNk/A X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7938e648-4dbc-476d-9089-277d1b8e2723 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49498BE7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:31:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1308 Lines: 35 Don't know about "official" methods, but when I want to size something up or down, I photocopy it in a percent larger mode. Kind of hit or miss, but sizes up proportionally. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Dear List I have finally traced off all the pattern pieces to one of my regency gowns. I can copy it, but am looking for an easy way to draft it into other sizes as it is very small. Is there a simple method to do this? And is there a set of measurements I should be using as a standard? When I look in my books and online I can only find how to draft from my measurements, and not how to draft to produce different size patterns from an extant garment. Many thanks, Aylwen Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Austen.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 20:11:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI1BrMg024339 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:11:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI1BlnD004135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:11:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI1BIbS016776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI1BGhq008328; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI1Ar02007946 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c7e.1ef638dc (39954) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:10:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79f661e3-6bfc-4208-b03e-8e02d26e8875 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4949A353.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:11:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1859 Lines: 36 In a message dated 12/17/2008 4:47:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com writes: Regency is tricky, to my eye if the best attempt at the historic look isn't made, the dress just looks like a modern, empire waist gown. ******************** Agreed. There's the way the breasts are raised, and supported from underneath that a modern bra just doesn't do. And the general posture is changed with a corset. Even a loose corded corset that is snug but not binding will change the body so it is round at the waist. Naturally, looking down from the top, one is oval, with the long way from side to side, at the waist. Even the gentle snugness of a light corset makes this shape round and thus looking narrower at the waist if viewed from the front (or the back). Of course now it is wider at the waist if viewed from the side, but fortunately, one usually has arms there to obscure this fact. I've seen costume Regency gowns that had lightly boned linings cut along the lines of the corset.... with gussets at the bust...that give a good shape. The actual gowns were cut completely differently.... sorta mounted on a corset like foundation. Also popular with costumers of this period is a slip-like undergarment with the corset-like boned bodice and an underskirt all sewn together. Sometimes the bodice of the boned lining comes down to the natural waist even though the skirt is set on at the raised level typical of the period. A sheer gown can be worn over this. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 20:28:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI1SCDY025433 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:28:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI1S5TF011081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:28:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI1Riar018585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI1RiWG018877; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI1RfKa018794 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d3e.39d7e3ef (39954) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:27:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 358ee470-99d9-4042-bf35-500a56a165b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4949A725.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:28:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1852 Lines: 40 In a message dated 12/17/2008 6:31:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Don't know about "official" methods, but when I want to size something up or down, I photocopy it in a percent larger mode. ************ Of course all proportions don't increase or decrease evenly....but this is a good start. Then measurements that are off can be adjusted more easily. The rule here is always the same to find how much to blow up or reduce: Divide the new size into the old size and move the decimal to the right 2 places. It's easy....don't be put off by the math. Let's say the waist is 20" and the new size waist should be 28". You get out your calculator and put in the NEW size 1st: 28". Then hit divide....and put in the old size: 20". What comes up is 1.4. Move the decimal over 2 spaces and you're blowing it up 140%. It works the other way too. The size of the bust in the pattern is 40". You need it to be 35". Put in the NEW size 1st: 35". Now divide by the old size: 40". And you get 0.875. Move the decimal over 2 spaces and you need to reduce the image 87.5%. Just remember NEW size... divide... OLD size....move decimal 2 spaces to the right. (Of course if you're going bigger it will always be over 100% and if you're going smaller it will always be less than 100%. If you're making something bigger and you get a number less that 100% when you move the decimal...you're wrong. Did you accidentally put the old size in 1st? NEW SIZE 1ST!!!!) **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-d p&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 20:44:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI1ivQR027232 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:44:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI1ip4c029593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI1idfe019332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI1idvr028430; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBI1iZhI028360 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19353 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 01:44:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5MUteoMV8obuWbFGK8uOq+/xSTAGHXxy3bUIsLlNruJnuzI+P84Tu+GhfjcbAV6YDW24JiFfOAkaTQswdP6yrpBFRl0dTj7dWIw1c8eVOkvsmx0syzzTJmKRAcW3PuDyNmDoq3Zr3q4nzyr1dew+8+Hy2IVc2qd+70DpzbUuFr8=; X-YMail-OSG: Keho48sVM1mRVOpAKY7ShzP2Dcpr0diumrjNyLkQVw6ZudLh0EpUMSD4F.2qOPXhyPXCMdfo5bBWDF8iEruMzYh20yspWwn306E.y7ddsSJwXf07E.P1Z29t4tomVurFn1FO_bQldCMz_X_R8Ng.qNaSyQvopNCI24MdyFfvce2FY0mOcq.WOCusfqq50n1MhAZdEttT_rSK.nMumCXC9hY97toc Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:44:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <116017.19138.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] regency undergarments [was: Drafting from antique garment - question] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aec983d3-1645-4207-918c-4fd83e997b3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4949AB13.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:44:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1348 Lines: 32 ----- Original Message ---- From: "AlbertCat@aol.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:10:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question ... Also popular with costumers of this period is a slip-like undergarment with the corset-like boned bodice and an underskirt all sewn together. Sometimes the bodice of the boned lining comes down to the natural waist even though the skirt is set on at the raised level typical of the period. A sheer gown can be worn over this. ... Albert, There's a garment like this illustrated in Hunnisett (the one that includes the Regency period). I've been calling it a bodiced petticoat, and don't offhand know what Hunnissett herself calls it. The bodice is shaped more-or-less like a sports bra (with gussets and no boning) and has an ankle-length skirt attached. Two of my friends made this garment at Costume College last year, and with proper fitting it does a fabulous job of lifting the bust high enough to get that typical Regency look. I haven't read Hunnissett's notes on this garment, so don't know what historical basis she has for it, but would like to know. Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 17 21:35:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI2ZPHr030394 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:35:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI2ZKm5016924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:35:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI2Tqpo021265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI2TnVD055636; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:29:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI2Tj1b055547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from Orion.campus.muc.prv ([10.18.40.20]) by SIRIUS.campus.muc.prv ([199.18.39.150]) with mapi; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:31:16 -0500 From: "Rickard, Patty" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:30:47 -0500 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Thread-Index: AclgsBp5Kevvb+SyR2Ss6Icz5l/ZHwACIgA6 Message-ID: <9303A5F18320A641ACBABBCE4DAB25CA128ADA6C78@Orion.campus.muc.prv> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf11ddf0-2583-4106-832e-e2f546e42620 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4949B6E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:35:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 801 Lines: 21 cool beans! Of course all proportions don't increase or decrease evenly....but this is a good start. Then measurements that are off can be adjusted more easily. The rule here is always the same to find how much to blow up or reduce: Divide the new size into the old size and move the decimal to the right 2 places. It's easy....don't be put off by the math. Let's say the waist is 20" and the new size waist should be 28". You get out your calculator and put in the NEW size 1st: 28". Then hit divide....and put in the old size: 20". What comes up is 1.4. Move the decimal over 2 spaces and you're blowing it up 140%. It works the other way too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 01:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI6fZuF015292 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:41:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI6fTSp012535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI6evkg031330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI6erpR098661; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.125.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBI6eoqR098587 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from animedaddy@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 70920 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 06:40:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=aQ4c74/nXDNjYfpBbifaCh7Dp5rl3teeK97uauvkqrCsm30QNCn2KJCL47XPNns2u+SkmIfSUbVR5AsH2iru2f0JHinEXzbreo13/7Y+ywJDgY8R8TBXYpgNd5YJd+IlaWXKnhfuTo4bOo/IlELbT2WA69kGEmRBQ1XENr/jiqw=; X-YMail-OSG: utRa9iEVM1k9Pu7K.33lg3CFzMD61Syr_f55DM_p2rng9kJOHgDKL.EcKXFO8b6DGPdv9nTgR4jIidsJieGe1qkXp9vvhma1PQwPvpFLK6n2KUszkNQJ2z2_JzJGbxBXHjq.LKd7ALwuHqxxIhbZDus6w4PPR5QX8KKfd2eIBJCUhVDY3AHGAFRJ52sEQizrFi6FvSr97a5ZNHQtDLoyNVpHdz40ednXV2SwxLQ8OwY1JdXlhRxrq9mj Received: from [69.158.4.205] by web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:40:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: d m To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <463351.70849.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e87bd5d-9d75-4119-936e-d3ef9dbad73d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4949F099.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:41:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 581 Lines: 25 Hi, = You can download a manual for the Spartan from Singer at this site, just pu= t the model number (i.e. 192) in the search box: http://www.singerco.com/accessories/manuals.html It will use a set standard low shank accessories that you can buy=A0on ebay. Dennis __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! = http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 03:35:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBI8ZVuE018948 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:35:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBI8ZQDC001556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:35:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBI8YvbF035430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI8Ytq0055198; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBI8YqUH055173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDELM-00068v-1e for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:34:52 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218082355.03c4f280@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:27:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <116017.19138.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <116017.19138.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency undergarments [was: Drafting from antique garment - question] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0eb031c2-c427-4334-9916-cf5c7dba6707 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494A0B4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 38 >... > >Also popular with costumers of this period is a slip-like >undergarment with the corset-like boned bodice and an underskirt all sewn >together. Sometimes the bodice of the boned lining comes down to the natural >waist even though the skirt is set on at the raised level typical of >the period. >A sheer gown can be worn over this. > >... > >Albert, > >There's a garment like this illustrated in Hunnisett (the one that >includes the Regency period). I've been calling it a bodiced >petticoat, and don't offhand know what Hunnissett herself calls it. >The bodice is shaped more-or-less like a sports bra (with gussets >and no boning) and has an ankle-length skirt attached. Two of my >friends made this garment at Costume College last year, and with >proper fitting it does a fabulous job of lifting the bust high >enough to get that typical Regency look. I haven't read Hunnissett's >notes on this garment, so don't know what historical basis she has >for it, but would like to know. When Hunnisett wrote the book she had no justification for the particular pattern that she worked out. (She said the it just seemed to be the most practical solution!) However, since then, there have been examples that I have seen on E Bay and in occasional museum pictures. In any case, none of the extant garments appear, on my screen anyway, to have been boned or corded. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 08:57:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIDvucQ001892 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIDvoLX003008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIDvIw0049325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:57:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIDvEc8011271; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBIDvAjm011188 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86303 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 13:57:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=J18HTEKlDXWqKD2M9wfK/7NmfycS2hq4HQTmradfI6k4qDutMSz6VOAZNy1MVvw284a1PeMcuu1LKtz6/dW8DTS8vexyJ17GHQkbHHKxT48xp2XEzwNcKhnNMyA4E7cPbg4jrLNvbiDUylzYZR2vgZkhczYXv3Jdr64SJ33AZPk=; X-YMail-OSG: 26EWoVoVM1mjgMRK4ocwS_FbbQJFnLQQsDhYaPdP2x6Ok8kV9JPTx07L07IpvmBWt9e9R7ykgweYn88msYsirg9JwMDAUiTCGQT3hCQW001pELxjDuMcEIMG7VQMT7N_XcVdmoCm67AJY59kuoHNnrYQvGKYhAkwiFQE4DHlwYHuRvICddWKH2rkj3Pc Received: from [76.182.55.31] by web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:57:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <116017.19138.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <216397.86176.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency undergarments [was: Drafting from antique garment - question] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a93d44ca-498a-41ae-af54-6d73c3558664 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494A56DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2150 Lines: 70 I knew someone once who was very busty and made one of these with a corded bodice to wear under italian ren....sneaky little devil..lol Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Wed, 12/17/08, cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com wrote: From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] regency undergarments [was: Drafting from antique garment - question] To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 8:44 PM ----- Original Message ---- From: "AlbertCat@aol.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:10:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question ... Also popular with costumers of this period is a slip-like undergarment with the corset-like boned bodice and an underskirt all sewn together. Sometimes the bodice of the boned lining comes down to the natural waist even though the skirt is set on at the raised level typical of the period. A sheer gown can be worn over this. ... Albert, There's a garment like this illustrated in Hunnisett (the one that includes the Regency period). I've been calling it a bodiced petticoat, and don't offhand know what Hunnissett herself calls it. The bodice is shaped more-or-less like a sports bra (with gussets and no boning) and has an ankle-length skirt attached. Two of my friends made this garment at Costume College last year, and with proper fitting it does a fabulous job of lifting the bust high enough to get that typical Regency look. I haven't read Hunnissett's notes on this garment, so don't know what historical basis she has for it, but would like to know. Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 09:08:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIE8l9u002211 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:08:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIE8fKl030929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIE8It3049823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIE8Ipt018099; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIE8Ghh018077 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.29.41] (core-dc-4-41.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.29.41]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIE8DqD032556 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:08:13 -0800 Message-ID: <494A594C.1030904@theoldforest.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:08:12 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <463351.70849.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <463351.70849.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1c55edf-a8d7-40f3-a01d-53741a96be05 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494A5969.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 578 Lines: 15 Thanks, Dennis! I understand there's also a manual for the 99/99k that is pretty much the same as the Spartan, except it's a bigger manual and explains how to use the accessories (should I find some) and how to service the machine. I'll look into that as well. -Judy Mitchell d m wrote: > Hi, > > You can download a manual for the Spartan from Singer at this site, just put the model number (i.e. 192) in the search box: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 12:24:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIHOZWM010139 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIHOT57013739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIHNpns064331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHNl5q070136; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHNge4070058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.114] (dial-209-148-98-114.sonic.net [209.148.98.114] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBIHNefU030622 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:23:42 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Australia--movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42f37b76-9b47-4596-ac8a-31c85a22dcf7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494A874D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 477 Lines: 12 Has anyone on this list seen "Australia"? The San Francisco Chronicle panned it thoroughly as overly long, boring, and as not coming together well. I'm hoping it's not that bad--any reviews? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming New book on 1820s dressmaking, corset making, and millinery! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 12:36:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIHapI2010622 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:36:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIHaiM0000731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIHaAsF065878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHa7i7081777; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHZhGV081322 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c79.4a96b128 (34981) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-221-5-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [98.221.5.48]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a5494a89e1224; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:35:30 -0500 Message-Id: <0FE4DDA3-1FC9-4C34-A658-90FA76C9A32F@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:35:29 -0500 References: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AOL-IP: 98.221.5.48 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Australia--movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 574c5e95-bc44-4fa1-be53-f88c42fecf31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494A8A2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:36:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 876 Lines: 33 I saw it last week. Long? Yes. Got lost in telling the story? Yes. DId I enjoy it? Yes! Beautiful scenery with the human rights issue worked into it, as well. Susan NJ On Dec 18, 08, at 12:23 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Has anyone on this list seen "Australia"? The San Francisco > Chronicle panned it thoroughly as overly long, boring, and as not > coming together well. I'm hoping it's not that bad--any reviews? > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > New book on 1820s dressmaking, corset making, and millinery! > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 13:07:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBII7EXd011833 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBII78M0013251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBII6buH068869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBII6Ygk009085; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBII6SUg008982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.114] (dial-209-148-98-114.sonic.net [209.148.98.114] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBII6Qvr026615 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:06:26 -0800 Message-ID: <494A9123.7050006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:06:27 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <116017.19138.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081218082355.03c4f280@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218082355.03c4f280@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency undergarments [was: Drafting from antique garment - question] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59c09cf8-75fc-4806-9417-6c363c998e06 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494A914C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2898 Lines: 73 > >> ... >> >> Also popular with costumers of this period is a slip-like >> undergarment with the corset-like boned bodice and an underskirt all >> sewn >> together. Sometimes the bodice of the boned lining comes down to the >> natural >> waist even though the skirt is set on at the raised level typical of >> the period. >> A sheer gown can be worn over this. >> There are two issues here. One is supporting a petticoat at a level above the natural waist, to match that of the dress bodice and help the skirt to hang correctly. The other is bust support/body shaping. The late 1820s sources I researched for _The Lady's Stratagem_ indicated a method of supporting the petticoat by shoulder straps, which I've also seen occasionally on petticoats sold on eBay. As for body shaping, I found instructions for 13 styles of stays and put them all in the book. These include half-stays, which go only an inch or two below the bottoms of the bosom gores/gussets. Half-stays can be made with variations that enable the wearer to put on the stays more easily, involving either wide straps or narrow lacings that cross from back to front. The style of short stays that includes the straplike self-lacing arrangement, is the kind people who see them in museum catalogs tend to describe as "like a sports bra." However, half-stays were also made without self-lacing arrangements, and all the self-lacing arrangements could be used on full-length stays. Short stays, with or without a self-lacing arrangement, are recommended specifically for morning wear (and for early pregnancy). The middle-class female routine of getting dressed is described in great detail, garment by garment and accessory by accessory. The assumption was that even the middle-class housewife got dressed several times a day. When she got up, she "helped with the first household tasks of the day," not specified in the sources I used, but it seems by inference they included helping a servant or servants to prepare breakfast, and I'd guess some other housework. For this she wore a costume to be seen only by the immediate family, under which she wore her half-stays. After these morning tasks were done, she dressed again, this time putting on her full stays and her garments for either doing morning errands or staying at home, depending on her schedule. This second costume was usually not fancy, but it was publicly presentable. Note that I am not saying that reenactors who prefer to wear half-stays in public are "inauthentic," and that they shouldn't do it, etc. I'm just saying that half-stays seem to have had specific uses in the 1820s. Fran Lavolta Press New book on making 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 13:11:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIIBsgI012045 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:11:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIIBnAk012434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIHbFgs066455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHbB1u083263; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIHb4te083160 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so295198wah.15 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/em2HBXTn3SDPl6hilOsHQRcdiuYoBay+KYbcrqV5z8=; b=FGSE/n8U8Srp1gjCuF7psA6t9qCdPlgbCAbl+bFXG+H+Ec1YuP23vcGK08a3CuwcnX vGGFbMTo/ihuFFH3g9WaFnzsNSE/uNj7oS9Zk+2g62qsNxm2Y5Z6o1vXnQpvnVdcakQV AeLO/Ymhw2YxmoH1rwyORSE08GAExm1sUc3n4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XoxtIl1iTyp+ZdbMKd8c/EVzwYPsI6OJvwBS+dvAqpZkxlnCS91rkFdbngafoGHOqA OIriDKXLkWFQ5dFIp/uEHvPfW87UBotzmSSBMHmKqCoqjlKQIQ9upUU4Z+RIgtGZlSI9 ssiHaGEXu0sZ2g+NxgTKD0Vj4Fjly/VCPPqeI= Received: by 10.114.208.20 with SMTP id f20mr1253899wag.225.1229621824302; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.107.10 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0812180937v1d428f74v107deaaa41ee347b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:37:04 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49a6a4d4-5f3e-41b9-8c68-c7fa02e08034 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494A9265.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2361 Lines: 62 Brilliant!! We're really lucky that we have so many professionals on this list to guide us through some of this stuff. I knew there had to be a percentage to use, but I'm just not math-savvy enough to have figured it out. Thanks, AlbertCat! On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 12/17/2008 6:31:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sharon@collierfam.com writes: > > Don't know about "official" methods, but when I want to size something up > or > down, I photocopy it in a percent larger mode. > > > ************ > > Of course all proportions don't increase or decrease evenly....but this is > a > good start. Then measurements that are off can be adjusted more easily. > > The rule here is always the same to find how much to blow up or reduce: > Divide the new size into the old size and move the decimal to the right 2 > places. > It's easy....don't be put off by the math. > > Let's say the waist is 20" and the new size waist should be 28". You get > out > your calculator and put in the NEW size 1st: 28". Then hit divide....and > put > in the old size: 20". What comes up is 1.4. Move the decimal over 2 spaces > and you're blowing it up 140%. > > It works the other way too. > > The size of the bust in the pattern is 40". You need it to be 35". Put in > the NEW size 1st: 35". Now divide by the old size: 40". And you get 0.875. > Move > the decimal over 2 spaces and you need to reduce the image 87.5%. > > Just remember NEW size... divide... OLD size....move decimal 2 spaces to > the > right. (Of course if you're going bigger it will always be over 100% and if > you're going smaller it will always be less than 100%. If you're making > something bigger and you get a number less that 100% when you move the > decimal...you're wrong. Did you accidentally put the old size in 1st? NEW > SIZE 1ST!!!!) > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-d > p&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 16:20:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBILKhAp020969 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBILKYAX032639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBILK0a7086512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBILJt1l074810; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBILJlre074703 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPA id 1862855371 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:19:46 -0600 Message-ID: <024e01c96156$591e75e0$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:19:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Australia--movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 379d6310-4080-4ee8-af36-e9ccdfb817ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494ABEA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 838 Lines: 21 > Has anyone on this list seen "Australia"? The San Francisco Chronicle > panned it thoroughly as overly long, boring, and as not coming together > well. I'm hoping it's not that bad--any reviews? > > > _______________________________________________ I haven't seen it yet, but my mom has and she said it was fabulous! She did say to buy your soda before the movie starts if you have a large bladder. Skip drinks all together if you don't! There is no opportunity to go fetch a beverage or visit the head w/o missing something. It is long, but she said you don't notice at all because you are completely involved with what is on the screen. Remember intermissions? Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 17:01:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIM1ONV022776 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:01:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIM1FC8011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIM0pwZ088898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIM0niF007181; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dewsmtp002.intellicentre.net.au (dewsmtp.intellicentre.net.au [210.193.179.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIM0fcG007016 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au) Received: from mailgate.internal.govt (mail1.dewmx.intellicentre.net.au [155.187.3.49]) by dewsmtp002.intellicentre.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09322435 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:02:36 +1100 (EST) X-WSS-ID: 0KC3EH1-01-6YU-01 Received: from act01excfelb1b.internal.govt (act01excfelb1b.internal.govt [155.187.66.21]) by mailgate.internal.govt (Tumbleweed MailGate 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 246BBF6D3D2 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:00:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1b.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:00:59 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-classification-classification: 1 - UNCLASSIFIED x-classification-fullclassification: UNCLASSIFIED/#/# x-titus-version: 2.71.14 x-protective-marking: VER=2005.6, NS=gov.au, SEC=UNCLASSIFIED, ORIGIN=Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:01:51 +1100 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4BBF0@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Australia movie reviews [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AclhQy1swh/9OYRSSWmBA9Ux+oif1wAGGsEg References: From: "Wilson, Annette" To: h-costume@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 22:00:59.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C76E810:01C9615C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Australia movie reviews [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb351220-5f3c-4c77-bc01-59a2cc4f0c19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494AC82B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:01:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1092 Lines: 28 Fran wrote:....... Has anyone on this list seen "Australia"? The San Francisco Chronicle panned it thoroughly as overly long, boring, and as not coming together well. I'm hoping it's not that bad--any reviews? ----------- Germaine Greer wrote a scathing review (which you can probably find on line) criticising it for everything including its protrayal of both Aboriginals and drovers. The only thing she didn't comment on was the costumes, except for the implausibility of a drover wearing a tuxedo :-) Annette Wilson (in Australia) ------ If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 17:20:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIMK48x023597 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIMIZ1S015451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIMI0qI089840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMI0A1020066; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMHvi2020040 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so654226rvb.11 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=7mSpF9OX/yoP+7iP8gtIMrJg+NGEeNghtM/AbnU5ZrU=; b=rX1TWyyNFYnO0nESMkqMGlyEoifKvntGgg7UE52Dfa5zsWLSfxmtnLvrZI3kCwpnO7 k34IVHJcywgxNCuAVwR7hOl5TQEXomfVip0Aqk9jYZJb+93Q06JloO7s9mxVRfYtTTbY /PHL9iPUsiwFzxyX0R4N/IPBINUtmqBvhzSk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LToOe9p9Gl9f0vJTmvZkzz2l+Dk3HW9Cr8aOo/+7yWdyg/MOVBOUHwzo313SKBT2d/ ZJ9jPARoBWu/Uszl5hFkIWWleBtvmHGYvmoB6x9IpwS4WRbAUCSg/kDeLGsaVm3CjNNA 3U8zuSgiOTYtngcWtL96F6r3P7QyXNoSR4oZg= Received: by 10.140.136.6 with SMTP id j6mr1207838rvd.126.1229638676432; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.4 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:17:56 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 421078af-ea49-405a-8fd2-8ee4a59518eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494ACC3B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:19:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 665 Lines: 22 Dear h-costume Is there anyone here who has translated the pattern instructions for this regency gown at http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=8 or is able to help me with translation? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming Events: Christmas Carol Ball 20 Dec 2008 Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 17:28:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIMSwfg024034 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:28:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIMSqZv010570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIMSAuY090404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMS7Gj027480; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMS2AW027408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDRLc-0003a1-T9 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:01 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:27:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b317eac1-aa7b-4da1-a54f-5068855fedab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494ACEA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:28:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 643 Lines: 18 At 22:17 18/12/2008, you wrote: >Dear h-costume >Is there anyone here who has translated the pattern instructions for >this regency gown at >http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=8 >or is able to help me with translation? What, exactly, do you want translated? I can translate the technical terms on the patterns, if that's any help, but usually the text is about the dress, not necessarily instructions on how to make. I have the series of books this pattern is taken from Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 17:54:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIMsIfx025193 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:54:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIMqxku026149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIMqOi0091798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMqNrL045077; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMqMWL045062 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so667993rvb.11 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bL5esoVCF1g2pOaSE5/Qnccru89nAyKEShtOtJvvIbY=; b=RO+VWXQOSCKBRfJQqpCpTaee0u0bDUJpQOC7t+BAOsNdPdaFz8K+PniyZPsmSazRJ8 /TBw2ZaRDiRcIshEkdiurNNSqYi5/dlbcGIQz+aplCxVqqKYvfxC8mYJBP9r0WFxBptq j5EKYVwNmwZYpVtraoJ+ah7idruGMRe+iXD3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=q0Q6Zf74w1Uh1ov0DACpvVbZ4R94xuHIL/XcjUoyP3svzYEHEp1DbM/LR7GpBR3OsB 39CqP+yON04RhQXs9nGbqouqZu7DXthtHWU3pAkLrhI0JMVXJBDLdvgBnSv0u1H2iE2i UASpNJIdlKfftxyq24tgMZIzZzTc4d1WesteE= Received: by 10.141.18.15 with SMTP id v15mr1208364rvi.197.1229640742069; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.4 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:52:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:52:22 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e984d52-0dcf-4871-8d11-70c323a18224 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494AD44B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1542 Lines: 46 Hi Suzi I'm keen to translate the text on the pdf pattern. Most of it seems pretty self-explanatory, but it is the unknown that frustrates me. I'm learning tambour embroidery and hope to replicate the design on the skirt. Does the book have any English translations? I have it on order but won't get it for a few weeks. Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming Events: Christmas Carol Ball 20 Dec 2008 Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 22:17 18/12/2008, you wrote: >> >> Dear h-costume >> Is there anyone here who has translated the pattern instructions for >> this regency gown at >> http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=8 >> or is able to help me with translation? > > What, exactly, do you want translated? I can translate the technical terms > on the patterns, if that's any help, but usually the text is about the > dress, not necessarily instructions on how to make. I have the series of > books this pattern is taken from > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 17:54:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIMsikC025208 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:54:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBIMsct1028551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBIMsPrG091872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIMsPSO046455; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBIMsLmt046357 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200812182254.mBIMsLmt046357@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Dec 2008 22:54:14 -0000 Received: from p548E593B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.89.59] by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 23:54:14 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Ibmk67Z1IOqukV36xGG7IRM6PqXEjnxXEFIgtBw OZ5CXBOyF7hPqG X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:54:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a538d2ec-103b-4540-b90b-40e661930487 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494AD4AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:54:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 947 Lines: 29 Suzi, could you please tell me the name of that series of books? I must have it, it looks sooo good! Hanna At 23:27 18.12.2008, you wrote: >At 22:17 18/12/2008, you wrote: >>Dear h-costume >>Is there anyone here who has translated the pattern instructions for >>this regency gown at >>http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=8 >>or is able to help me with translation? > >What, exactly, do you want translated? I can translate the technical >terms on the patterns, if that's any help, but usually the text is >about the dress, not necessarily instructions on how to make. I have >the series of books this pattern is taken from > >Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 18:43:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBINhPrg028582 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBINhJsT009897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBINh48m094657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBINh427080856; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBINfAXH079642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDSUP-0002HO-7Y for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:41:09 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218232759.03c716f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:41:00 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <200812182254.mBIMsLmt046357@net.indra.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> <200812182254.mBIMsLmt046357@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a3a32c1-b737-4974-b95d-ea686a880f0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494AE017.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 533 Lines: 16 At 22:54 18/12/2008, you wrote: >Suzi, could you please tell me the name of that series of books? I >must have it, it looks sooo good! As far as I was aware the books are out of print, but as Aylwen says she has one on order they may not be. My copies were from a remaindered pile in Copenhagen - a gift from a Danish friend. I'll go and find the titles tomorrow - late now. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 18:44:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBINhpvh028631 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBINgQjK007798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBINfH6n094558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBINfDd0079677; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBINf9Mu079631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDSUO-0002HO-4R for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:41:08 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218232452.03c65950@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:27:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7199abd-139c-4481-8a7f-e3bad27b5eab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494ADFE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:43:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 934 Lines: 22 At 22:52 18/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Suzi >I'm keen to translate the text on the pdf pattern. Most of it seems >pretty self-explanatory, but it is the unknown that frustrates me. >I'm learning tambour embroidery and hope to replicate the design on the skirt. >Does the book have any English translations? I have it on order but >won't get it for a few weeks. >Bye for now, I was not aware that the books were still in print - that's interesting. No, the pictures and patterns have a summary in English, and there are a few pages at the back, as I remember, but the main text is in Danish. I have had mine for many years, and generally don't worry about the text. It's late here, I'll get my copy out tomorrow some time, but I don't think you really need that much translating. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 19:09:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJ096D2030283 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:09:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJ090qW018404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJ08eHu096251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJ08eTT096448; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJ08cQn096407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.36] (dial-209-148-99-36.sonic.net [209.148.99.36] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBJ08a7X006817 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: <494AE606.9080305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:08:38 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] The Danish books with patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a59216f-24c7-43db-9cdc-9dfc49a1829b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494AE61C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:09:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 885 Lines: 29 are probably: Andersen, Ellen. Moden 1700=96Arene. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1977. Danish history of costume that contains scale drafts, close-ups of = period garments, and period illustrations. Worthwhile even if you don't = read Danish. Andersen, Ellen. Moden 1790=961840. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1986. In the same series as Andersen's Moden 1700=96Arene, with the same format. Bech, Viben. Moden 1840=961890. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1989. In the same series as Ellen Andersen's Moden 1700=96Arene, with the same = format. The captions are translated into English, but there are no assembly = instructions for the patterns. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s dressmaking and corset making! http://www.lavoltapress.om _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 18 19:13:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJ0DJWP030524 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJ0DDdP007733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJ0CwEI096447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJ0CwJU098916; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJ0CvQw098901 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so701265rvb.11 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:12:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dAlIQQzTJsIN0NzhcBIoZ229BBObBijA4QyUTEwUTZE=; b=cPFZnTvdgKsvibxMGgFul4lyMlMsCJPlPtfYe6nyG/U+pzxAH7TkBX4IRk3q7dmsg+ Ww7MM7vF+mqcXzyXgXM9xTORFJT0IKAbfw4seiGlc+SZ0q2DhEaLDv6sqZg8ptYNWjfO rtjwrmwimWRFSgO8Dgr40K+pAqFgqILqHY7Uo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MQCihI/L8MmGCDjpqLXT7HDMThqsKwMJN5WqB0x9hMscUIhFAO5gao4XA3iEa9Y1au AeblC7n4zmBbw1FrFTGhHo4jkRKzXVyabvlNN+0qZI5mJell77xTAFzVlpq91+xp8JgA g/WKMs12bTrOQVrGMntrTwBUu4CxAwnQd46s8= Received: by 10.140.171.18 with SMTP id t18mr1270778rve.10.1229645576184; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.4 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:12:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:12:56 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218232759.03c716f8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081218222607.03c52058@suziclarke.co.uk> <200812182254.mBIMsLmt046357@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081218232759.03c716f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42a91a97-06aa-4115-81bf-bb84f20fe6a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494AE719.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1306 Lines: 42 I found my book on an obscure site, it was the last one. I've not been able to find it anywhere else, and will believe it when I see it. Paid by credit card so can query it if it doesn't turn up. Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming Events: Christmas Carol Ball 20 Dec 2008 Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 22:54 18/12/2008, you wrote: >> >> Suzi, could you please tell me the name of that series of books? I must >> have it, it looks sooo good! > > > As far as I was aware the books are out of print, but as Aylwen says she has > one on order they may not be. My copies were from a remaindered pile in > Copenhagen - a gift from a Danish friend. I'll go and find the titles > tomorrow - late now. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 05:45:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJAjfmQ029263 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:45:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJAjZXe006232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:45:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJAjBMU025835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJAj7Y2094026; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBJAj3W1093941 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 5378 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2008 10:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.14.170) by smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.227) with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 10:44:58 -0000 Message-Id: <230B72B3-57D8-4F2E-984F-AB297B9F56F8@benchite.com> From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:44:56 -0500 References: <494974CF.2080308@theoldforest.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual-Spartan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4741bcff-ede9-4904-b8d4-b06cea34f54a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494B7B4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:45:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 30 The Spartan is a 3/4 size Singer, much like the 66 (full size) or 99 ( 3/4 size). It takes standard short shank feet, which are still sold at JoAnn and other stores. It does not have zig-zag so needs the old green-case buttonholer (which does work great, BTW). You can easily find these for just a couple bucks on ebay quite freqently. Item number 400017712136 is a current auction on ebay for one now, so you can see what you want. The buttonholers in the oval maroon case are for the slant shank machines like the 301, not what you have. You almost don't need a manual for this machine, but you can also go to the group wefixit or vintagesinger on yahoo and get all the info you need. Old Singer machines are great, sew the best straight stitch out there, and you can't kill them with sewing, oh, say, tents out of canvas, for example, which is something my one modern machine would never be able to handle. Enjoy your machine. (Can you tell I have a bunch of them? ) -Megan On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I've been gifted with an old Singer Spartan sewing machine - but I > could use the manual. Does anyone happen to have one? I'll pay you > for a > photocopy of it! > thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 06:21:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJBLbIk030122 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:21:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJBLVHg015890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:21:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJBLD8k029747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJBLD9k019376; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBJBL90T019323 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77081 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2008 11:21:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FcNADMTPckTPgpjy7we3meH2HV4JGQSEqjd0rjZDDsUUOVTJsndTcSZpuhOR5/TJGDWBolDR4r+J/62jPFGPZTilpSVnh24oEBrGUB2wVbNK1Tn4UZbnX3kxTV4eKzYT87kEmqEYMRzAb/2KchtXdjwOiPfA8GccvNnjv6bZTAc=; X-YMail-OSG: t_OhoFgVM1lyT1986c9QKD8CKerHSFI_Sh7DDTFVImEcrT0ff4MPBc3ABlIRkT59n7Co9Me.o4SikP.rvjoEjW1NDMIVN.p1L0nGkRH59F2saYKLFwrflIs.RjTkELCdDyoTJSAj3ZxLd5JbJiZ3R8zzBQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.228] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:21:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <544367.76826.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16bc6de4-6ad6-460a-acda-7014c6b1062f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 494B83BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:21:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 516 Lines: 11 Bjarne might help you with the translation, but I think you can figure out quite a lot when you take a Danish dictionary (available on-line) and translate most of the words. The word order might be similar as in German and some words are similar to English. This site is wonderful, I might also try to translate some of the text on the pattern drafts! Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 12:09:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJH9r10008779 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:09:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJH9lqi014892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:09:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJH49EY049315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJH437t061459; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:04:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJH40qT061337 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W8 ([65.55.138.43]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:03:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:03:55 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <544367.76826.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <544367.76826.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2008 17:03:55.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6879670:01C961FB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:09:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 376 Lines: 8 I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - I am making these for a friend who will use them for Thai Chi....any suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering these: http://www.folkwear.com/112.html Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 12:28:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJHSbxL009224 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:28:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJHSP3c015491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:28:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJHS9Ed051116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJHS9Hf085475; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJHS684085425 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.47] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPA id 1863579467 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:28:06 -0600 Message-ID: <025001c961ff$265d4010$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <544367.76826.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:28:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:28:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 488 Lines: 18 what about 119? several styles of loose pants with different types of ankle treatments. Denise > > I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - I am > making these for a friend who will use them for Thai Chi....any > suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering these: > http://www.folkwear.com/112.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 13:04:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJI4T6J010225 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:04:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJI4Lt2007424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJI469P059380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJI43qL019747; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:04:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJI40pe019579 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=f+73dOpkFV6HN8CCx/ssqgp+qbDdBolkP9Pfi2I9nlDE4t+fQxUXbaUiFbQRbeNN; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.163] by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LDjha-0006vc-RJ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:03:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <025001c961ff$265d4010$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> References: <544367.76826.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025001c961ff$265d4010$2fa73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <9B61AB4D-9081-402D-8DA1-76F309C0C1DF@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:05:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a460dca021a686d116006c949c1a58008d2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.163 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f90d9776-187b-4643-b621-0202aeaa4b32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494BE225.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:04:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 33 Folkwear 145 (Chinese pajamas) has trousers that are more like the ones my tai chi instructor wore, and a bit more polished than the ones I wore when I was taking tai chi. The fit in the leg looks better than the other styles proposed so far. You might want to insert a gusset in the crotch to give the greatest freedom of movement. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Land of Oz wrote: > what about 119? several styles of loose pants with different > types of ankle treatments. > > Denise > > > >> >> I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - >> I am making these for a friend who will use them for Thai >> Chi....any suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering >> these: http://www.folkwear.com/112.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 13:22:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJIMAVl010703 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:22:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJIM26b021884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJILac9060533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJILZ4U035843; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJILTYv035744 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [192.168.15.3] (static-71-248-116-82.bltmmd.east.verizon.net [71.248.116.82]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJILLWu015631 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:21:23 -0800 Message-ID: <494BE72B.5050401@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:25:47 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume References: <494BA774.3040908@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <494BA774.3040908@theoldforest.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual-Spartan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10c08771-2f08-4d27-b1f3-0bb597e1dd6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494BE64A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:22:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1991 Lines: 39 Megan, that's great info! thanks. I was looking on ebay and getting confused. I saw the green and maroon cases, but no idea what the difference between them was. So.. the green case gizmo will do both zig-zag and buttonholes? I noticed a number of other sellers who had quite an assortment of metal bits and pieces. but none of them ever mention low, high or slant shank.. which doesn't help. But I do remember seeing those two oval ones. I know these are considered virtually indestructable, so if I put in a leather needle, this puppy will sew my leather Saami belt (caribou leather with a wool felt facing, bound with thinner reindeer leather)? that would be great! My kenmore was not happy trying to put the edge binding on. This will be exciting. Thanks for the info! -Judy Mitchell Megan wrote:Megan > The Spartan is a 3/4 size Singer, much like the 66 (full size) or 99 > ( 3/4 size). It takes standard short shank feet, which are still sold > at JoAnn and other stores. It does not have zig-zag so needs the old > green-case buttonholer (which does work great, BTW). You can easily > find these for just a couple bucks on ebay quite freqently. Item > number 400017712136 is a current auction on ebay for one now, so you > can see what you want. > The buttonholers in the oval maroon case are for the slant shank > machines like the 301, not what you have. You almost don't need a > manual for this machine, but you can also go to the group wefixit or > vintagesinger on yahoo and get all the info you need. Old Singer > machines are great, sew the best straight stitch out there, and you > can't kill them with sewing, oh, say, tents out of canvas, for > example, which is something my one modern machine would never be able > to handle. Enjoy your machine. (Can you tell I have a bunch of them? > ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 14:47:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJJlWCv013346 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:47:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJJlNvh017089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJJl3km066219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJJl2jK019383; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1d.socket.net [216.106.88.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJJkw6H019299 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43C1A5C929 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:46:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:47:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <9B61AB4D-9081-402D-8DA1-76F309C0C1DF@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd2015f1-485b-4618-9ce8-86fc631bc21e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494BFA4B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 995 Lines: 28 http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Chinese_Uniforms_s/87.htm http://tinyurl.com/4gmc8y For a rough idea of what you are looking for if you are aiming for traditional style. De -----Original Message----- Folkwear 145 (Chinese pajamas) has trousers that are more like the ones my tai chi instructor wore, and a bit more polished than the ones I wore when I was taking tai chi. The fit in the leg looks better than the other styles proposed so far. You might want to insert a gusset in the crotch to give the greatest freedom of movement. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - >> I am making these for a friend who will use them for Thai >> Chi....any suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering >> these: http://www.folkwear.com/112.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 17:08:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJM8XbB018787 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:08:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJM8RYZ030424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJM7xK7087197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJM7v8C061089; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJM5tOk059458 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=cWxsOyPZX8RcIppVTkfNs7mKYfDcyueSCfR21/N/o6xt4E+TFrLCmo5GcvHVI0ZE; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.167] by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LDnTg-0001yh-8G for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:05:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:07:21 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4bd0b77dafb90f4c659fe03ae8593c100350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.167 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d97acc04-e2c4-41fc-bd9e-5ede68c0ce51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494C1B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1353 Lines: 45 Try this site for the image I had in mind: http://www.taichilink.co.uk/us/suits_us.html --Ruth Anne On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:47 PM, otsisto wrote: > http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Chinese_Uniforms_s/ > 87.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/4gmc8y > For a rough idea of what you are looking for if you are aiming for > traditional style. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Folkwear 145 (Chinese pajamas) has trousers that are more like the > ones my > tai chi instructor wore, and a bit more polished than the ones I > wore when I > was taking tai chi. The fit in the leg looks better than the other > styles > proposed so far. You might want to insert a gusset in the crotch to > give the > greatest freedom of movement. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >>> I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - >>> I am making these for a friend who will use them for Thai >>> Chi....any suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering >>> these: http://www.folkwear.com/112.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 18:30:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBJNUg6u022605 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:30:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJNUY6A018562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJNTlaD092143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJNTj7m022818; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJNThce022780 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so462979yxb.71 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:29:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cWzVeYDIk0fIvV1GCEFygA+QUbRmoLOOmdXizsa6wDY=; b=ZPlnXXUZVz3JX7TTQK9L4x+zlpQJqXNebJQ8VQttkYa1Pxmv4m8/1rssCXBcV/tAjc 97bgpBRxAZYOrpKqwc3GXK0c3rA9nku1u6micNEDmHCOpS4L9CAtJPie/A+XJiBsp12Z YP7KhjhagAn1nND4xHlvmtdNQuidjvkkaTRbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pNWR/lwiN7HForddqnobcw7Bf2E+o5/QTx5U2+Bnzlez+7aidwZFKFWe19LKcPhT2p kjEK+dnL+Q/KxrCYd+NQtc1wP8aIGVMaF8E7jOv0zKVzoN6wMMACWvzdEFz8D4+us7Kh pGDChF/iIk9wJL1q9LdBKTfqQsTNNAVYguzk8= Received: by 10.150.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr6526096ybb.83.1229729383211; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.51.17 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:29:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:29:43 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff4ccf7e-c24b-4d51-9b79-66a86788c48b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 494C2E9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:30:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1632 Lines: 39 Aylwen, I would build a corselet into the gown's bodice. It's a period thing to do (if the wearer isnt too zoftig) and it gives the correct high-bust silhouette. Your performers get period appropriate modesty (er, more or less) and reasonable support. They also *must* wear the correct undergarment as it's built in. Ha! You can trick them into it! You can find a croquis for a bib-front gown c1803 in the patterns section of Blanche Payne's book. While I rather doubt your antique is the same style, this one will show you some methods to attach the corselet inside the gown. This isnt a solution for all age groups or body types, but as you've said they're performing dancers, I've assumed a certain level of mobility & body carriage. Wont you please post a photo (or two) of your antique? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Aylwen Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:40:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question Another thought went through my mind - I could develop this pattern to fit modern sizing charts, but it was designed for a different figure that may have had regency stays on! This raises the question, if I'm drafting from an extant garment should I make it for a person wearing a corset? Will this isolate those who don't wear corsets, or encourage them to wear period undergarments? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 19 19:52:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBK0qm9L026827 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:52:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBK0qhHp022114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:52:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBK0peg0096490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBK0pdG1073273; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBK0pa0S073192 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11917 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2008 00:51:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=wVt7D+Y2Kw+Q4hsd3PwmODHk9CKjJ1/y5zgfUf7Y53JALtrrbunnG8bMHLol99+QB4bTKof5usrz8xiuvMYU664BzkeOPwb++YCKGHcr2qRo22unoKWDmYQank1jVGKe2DWydD2oN8+lU3N2uArMcUeOdOQEiCM2D2oYCwZRzNA=; X-YMail-OSG: XPYfOT0VM1nHEro8Om4tx2qodKKpfVD52LDHjypRT3ULjWir2U4kN93.2AgajoHZCgd9GTCC0PuCA1bclWZYg35Ea2Mg7N6ig5OTIHotOnY9MsK3QctydsJGS8l2NKla5yjMNRL9DfNGWFWNNI_lSKjocl04pEkJKdGLYpo7mn9c4Miz_fH26lsVi70Vgw-- Received: from [69.183.22.228] by web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <230B72B3-57D8-4F2E-984F-AB297B9F56F8@benchite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <769375.7515.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual-Spartan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dcfa55c-6a5f-4219-ac59-f45988db5ca7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494C41DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:52:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 505 Lines: 19 If you don't have one by the spring, bring it to Costume-con, & I'll show you how I'd work with it. :) Ann in CG > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > I've been gifted with an old Singer Spartan > sewing machine - but I > > could use the manual. Does anyone happen to have one? > I'll pay you for a photocopy of it! > > thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 20 09:29:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBKETqNn031554 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:29:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBKETkXD002821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBKETKki029708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBKETGjW031687; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBKETCt6031617 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 26181 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 14:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.14.170) by smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.47) with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2008 14:29:07 -0000 Message-Id: <622335AC-BAC0-48AC-87CA-66974133854F@benchite.com> From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <494BE72B.5050401@oldwaylane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:29:06 -0500 References: <494BA774.3040908@theoldforest.net> <494BE72B.5050401@oldwaylane.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine manual-Spartan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73064389-7c8c-40fe-863d-1d9cfb1c2740 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 494D015A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2449 Lines: 55 Umm - the green buttonholer does not do zig-zag stitching for seams, just buttonholes with the little disks in it. There is a zig-zag attachment you can get as well. Happy sewing. -Megan On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Megan, that's great info! thanks. I was looking on ebay and getting > confused. I saw the green and maroon cases, but no idea what the > difference between them was. So.. the green case gizmo will do both > zig-zag and buttonholes? I noticed a number of other sellers who had > quite an assortment of metal bits and pieces. but none of them ever > mention low, high or slant shank.. which doesn't help. But I do > remember > seeing those two oval ones. > > I know these are considered virtually indestructable, so if I put in a > leather needle, this puppy will sew my leather Saami belt (caribou > leather with a wool felt facing, bound with thinner reindeer leather)? > that would be great! My kenmore was not happy trying to put the edge > binding on. > > This will be exciting. Thanks for the info! > > -Judy Mitchell > > Megan wrote:Megan >> The Spartan is a 3/4 size Singer, much like the 66 (full size) or 99 >> ( 3/4 size). It takes standard short shank feet, which are still >> sold >> at JoAnn and other stores. It does not have zig-zag so needs the old >> green-case buttonholer (which does work great, BTW). You can easily >> find these for just a couple bucks on ebay quite freqently. Item >> number 400017712136 is a current auction on ebay for one now, so you >> can see what you want. >> The buttonholers in the oval maroon case are for the slant shank >> machines like the 301, not what you have. You almost don't need a >> manual for this machine, but you can also go to the group wefixit or >> vintagesinger on yahoo and get all the info you need. Old Singer >> machines are great, sew the best straight stitch out there, and you >> can't kill them with sewing, oh, say, tents out of canvas, for >> example, which is something my one modern machine would never be able >> to handle. Enjoy your machine. (Can you tell I have a bunch of them? >> ) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 20 15:34:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBKKYdQS014480 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:34:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBKKXEsG013977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:34:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBKKWXFB051907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBKKWS99028959; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBKKWPLL028890 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37386 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2008 20:32:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZEbL53KJnj1zGM94qCeZhIQKtNCjT5pwAaJm5Xj5McDtVXaQZ5iWkTTo3lovRtnEsilhsXFMXEzEsH+AksnD2DaEkEg21ByFWWY1E2W+c7nl6tI/CtXEmpRfE+Jdw/SN5SzBtq4c8drOdKS7M9Vra9hz45thup1IIsB6KBZQzK8=; X-YMail-OSG: 44iDO0QVM1lSPTClw_aj71qCM0Op6tz14nrcQgYWJ819Pzl3vRxJEuEePgO1A1LDYYHwMTclbMupJNYqPWfApBAx.Di_pMSn8RKNaC_xAjaRto3uONTJ1vS0hdyq2winhHKAsQmqaZ6koBJt26YWzEGyfdY5RbKtV94mOjtUPeOEMa0lFnHoYUg- Received: from [81.236.178.65] by web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:32:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:32:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <728793.37333.qm@web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37341288-ab8a-4cfc-be79-99e395377f32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494D568A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:34:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 3055 Lines: 81 I'll give it a shot (Bjarne can correct me where/if I'm wrong): A white bride Bridesdresses have hot always been white. It was first at the end of the 18= th century, that the white bride with veil and garland became fashionable. = Until then you always got married in your best clothes. There have never be= en any firm rules for, what a bridesdress should look like. The cut of the = dress, fabrics, colour and length followed the fashion of the times. From t= he end of the 18th century white has dominated bridal fashion, at least for= those that could afford it. This custom has remained until our times, also= in periods where the white colour wasn't fashionable in other dresses. Amo= ng peasants and the common townspeople a black bridesdress has been the mos= t common. It was not just a question of economy, but also of tradition. In = that part of the population white did not belong: white was for the posh. T= he fashionable white chemise dress of nettle cloth - fabric of nettle fibre= s - has probably been worn by the baroness Eleonora Sophie Rantzau (born 1779), when she in 1797 got married to the county count Preben Bille= -Brahe, Hvedholm. Description of the garment The dress consists of skirt and bodice. The skirt has a coarse white embroi= dery at the bottom. The very short bodice is lined and has an internal laci= ng in front. At the back the fabric is pleated at the waist. The front part= s are gathered at the waist, go up over the shoulders and meet in a point o= n the bakc, where they form a collar-like [bes=E6tning =3D decoration???]. = The skirt is tied in front. The sleeves are half-length and lined. The skir= t is long and with a train at the back. = Dress, white [moll =3D ?], Museum number W.8.h Nettle cloth, i.e. fabric of nettle fibres. White, with white embroidery. Skirt, Length at the back: 135 cm Skirt, length at the front: 113 cm Hope this helps, Lena --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Aylwen Garden wrote: > From: Aylwen Garden > Subject: [h-cost] Translating Danish pattern instructions > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 11:17 PM > Dear h-costume > Is there anyone here who has translated the pattern > instructions for > this regency gown at > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=3D8 > or is able to help me with translation? > = > Bye for now, > = > Aylwen Gardiner-Garden > = > Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy > music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books > 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian > Upcoming Events: > Christmas Carol Ball 20 Dec 2008 > Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 > Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 20 16:40:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBKLejVK016799 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:40:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBKLedkB022822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBKLe60D053954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBKLe5N0059128; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBKLe2NQ059050 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [24.112.152.105] ([24.112.152.105:50684] helo=Carol-Huffs-Computer.local) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 12/86-30760-C266D494 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <494D662B.1070904@clearviewcatv.net> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:39:55 -0500 From: Carol Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spartan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ecc71f2-1654-4451-b998-b00d09a7cc96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494D6658.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 247 Lines: 8 Hey Judy, please email me. I >think< I may have a manual...and yes they thru most things... Ta Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 21 01:17:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBL6HtVB001694 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:17:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBL6Hm37021408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:17:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBL6HTM4081636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBL6HQ0D069235; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBL6HMSV069210 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from webmail2.netspace.net.au (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0707B9F for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:17:20 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail2.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5160613B for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:17:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-135.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-135.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.135]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:17:25 +1100 Message-ID: <1229840245.494ddf75c5288@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:17:25 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <494A871E.6050903@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Australia--movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4d91a82-cdd9-4622-83d2-21abc51d0c0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 494DDF8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1242 Lines: 34 >From an Australian living in Australia: It looks like a rabid version of the flag-wavers Chips Rafferty made in the 1940s. Visually, it is very good so long as you do not mind a parade of film and cultural cliches. The plot is senseless and, although that does not matter if a story is well- told, this is not well-told. It's full of solemn joy, stereotypes that belong in bad newsreels, historically innaccurate racism aimed at making the film makers feel good, pointless nobility regarding the nature of nature, and product placement. The only thing more parched than the desert is Kidman's forehead. Even Jackman's warmth and talent cannot save this mess. Oh, and if toughened stockmen and others were to have danced they way they do in Darwin when it rains, they would not only have been run out of town, they would have been run out of town soaking wet as it rains well and often in that city. In short, I asked for my free ticket back, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 22 01:36:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBM6admo000780 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:36:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBM6ZJqs017608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBM6Ymfr048838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBM6YiVs089180; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBM6Yg97089169 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id c31so3679095poi.0 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:34:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q33YB9upXPfN8wXg9/ohQ7OueDHTpj8ic9KwVGq2v/w=; b=ofgnMWzUasnrEqLwBBzSOsNytdsS74935oiBdokyBf1hLCgKae0UxELUWH1p6z/RRv zyXAnH6fFaer+fVjlyAtUegj3HqFoKvOROWFQcoMm7M5X3W2Zbx9/8P1MbtpbazTdqNs CaJlqsVyvYqWEstxCbyy+GgLl+hoWv0Mqk+TQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cjV2ZbmuWXnbk685VjtY6T5+VA0ojPvolXjNzHpFr/XrNQi9EdAl+lmOkSEhQScgMk O+9WlHj9wQtf6vq3hF3XwEv1g2D688f2lvCjhoQE6/EUXyQ2YI0AP6JNMgD6dDslsJOE AaJXJWAJdIexyUM3gGa879e88SahOe8tFas/o= Received: by 10.141.19.9 with SMTP id w9mr3034878rvi.31.1229927682543; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.4 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:34:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:34:42 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drafting from antique garment - question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 239efd9b-6d53-404a-aa3e-497c9888d50c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494F3527.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:36:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 574 Lines: 18 Hi there, I've started posting a few photos from my collection in an old blog I found unused today at http://www.reproductions.blogspot.com Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming Events: Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 22 06:16:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBMBGMeX010179 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:16:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBMBErra027185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBMBEDEH062194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBMBEAij003090; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBMBE718003074 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from mompresario (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1LEijd2pYL-0001L0; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:14:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c96426$702aae70$6601a8c0@mompresario> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:13:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/pepccraoA2aLRNIeF8DzrxRtb9KSIm0/34jt O4OM6RAZNzm+jyUWr0g9ODXcwoWZgpJDOVKHmEv4LjdxUk/3rv MUsxUmchgVNXhnGScOlLg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Nativity Scene in 3-D X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56e58e93-0f00-4b43-a7c0-ecb325408bad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 494F76AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1542 Lines: 17 I have placed online photos of the nativity scene from our church. I think you will enjoy it! There are 44 photos made into 3-D with a piece of software from Microsoft called Photosynth. You do have to sign up and download the software/ freeware http://photosynth.net/ and then view it on the web. The software views best in Internet Explorer. Once you have downloaded the software, go a search on the Photosnyth website for "costumegallery" and click on the "Epiphany Church Nativity Scene." My photos are large, so that you can zoom in really close and view all the details. So if you have an older computer with little RAM, the slideshow might not work for you. I do encourage you to play with the software. You can do all kinds of things with the images. I put the nativity scene online because it is truly amazing and so much work was put into the details. The scene's setting is the city of Bethlehem and takes up two whole walls of the chapel. There are several homes in the village. You can zoom in so close that you can see the individual foods items served at the dinner table of one home. The entire village is in miniature. As for costumes...I hope you enjoy the costumes represented in the numerous figurines. Happy holidays to all! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 26 13:16:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBQIG6hY024285 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:16:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBQIG0mI021477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBQIFT5d047006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBQIFHke015110; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBQIFDa1015006 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33702 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2008 18:15:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RqVEyh1VVUzCRgABectjpim7lvAkGDO6GcDEP9eiHlCDQLmja2gIZmsjDYTtes/3Qmw9oSVsavikNsmPyawM2UMsDIjnei6DqQ+zUbMECiyg3Ds7Wz0oT/yxqVdcvTLWMRFdM1eJeIe+fPm69kdZS+X144xsYS+ZH8IuUTjCOHQ=; X-YMail-OSG: lXsQ97UVM1kn6vSb7NG_5BEYAIQHAJDVmOiMUGFnFY64_SYCmTrn2346EaaEKkxAypeH1ok9C.sNhE68vPBu81zfdtTDkLW6JocivFjr7xedMaZ7Nsoyb4vW0TzV_odS4M_cME2WmuxJVI81EuK_fSyZBD01Zu2X6cz9ChusmITfE9nZH7KQqcnt4r1kW6FjEcLnjJyX6rHKSBCM_szLKzy.yzHa Received: from [77.215.169.63] by web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:15:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <494AE606.9080305@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <683964.33118.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Danish books with patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca0c9036-6545-4869-9228-52bb48bc3a47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49551F60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:44:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 450 Lines: 14 The captions are already translated into English. There are no assembly instructions in either language as I recall. Fran Tania Gruning wrote: > If anyone need translations, I would be more than happy to help. Don't have the books, so you would have to scan and send me the relevant pages > > Tania > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 26 16:11:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBQLBo16030040 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:11:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBQLBjIF022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:11:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBQLBP5M069413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBQLBN5n029847; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBQLBK6c029764 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEXLUC6AFHPEY2 for (sender ); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xT2WJqQwDWGSkiDlM5vsd/vLYll0HuHJQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N5C8673T; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:10:03 PST Received: from [76.29.118.252] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:10:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.29.118.252] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:10:01 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20081226.151001.13605.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3701444480 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8bdb119f-fb88-4bb1-ae53-219e772db536 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49554891.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:11:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 701 Lines: 12 I am writing on behalf of a friend who is interested in doing some Byzantine woman's headresses. She can only find a few basic styles (I think she's actually only found one!) and is interested in sources which might show her different options. Does anyone here know of places which would be good to search? Karen Seamstrix ____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGjHBEK8KkVNOzw1knq9MAAXOZGR23feYZFjhESBvKmOU/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 26 16:56:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBQLuPHQ031580 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:56:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBQLuJER006938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBQLtxSK074569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBQLtvTL056070; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBQLtsSb056039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-112-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.112.178] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGKev-0002D1-GT for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:55:53 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081226215332.03c33d20@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:55:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <495525F2.3090200@lavoltapress.com> References: <683964.33118.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495525F2.3090200@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Danish books with patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23525a5c-2554-4938-988a-8d802a04d0e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49555303.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:56:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 893 Lines: 27 At 18:44 26/12/2008, you wrote: >The captions are already translated into English. There are no >assembly instructions in either language as I recall. There are some "labels" on the patterns, and if you don't speak or read Danish it would be useful to have them translated. I have a Danish/English dictionary, but still need the help of my Danish friend with some of the more sewing related terms. Suzi >Fran > >Tania Gruning wrote: >>If anyone need translations, I would be more than happy to help. >>Don't have the books, so you would have to scan and send me the relevant pages >>Tania >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 26 21:14:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBR2Dnbg004565 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:13:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBR2CUUj020911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:13:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBR2Bsav093964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBR2BoIM094389; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBR2Blwn094314 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W41 ([64.4.19.141]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.115.69] From: Becky Rautine To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:11:41 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081226.151001.13605.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> References: <20081226.151001.13605.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2008 02:11:42.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[75F09130:01C967C8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc0fea9b-c9ef-4e85-837d-e37349c462c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49558F0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:13:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 3029 Lines: 12 >From my course in Early Christian history, the costumes of that time were richly decorated with pearls, rubies and other gems. These were representative of the chest plate from the tribe of Joshua. Justinian and Theodora were some of the most known Byzantian royality. During this time, Byzantium was the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, due to Constintine learning/following Christianity. He converted on his death bed but not earlier. The Christian church had been in Rome but was moved to Constantinople/Byzantium. This caused a great rift in the Christian leaders and a power struggle followed. The rich costuming can be researched through the colors and the use of gems thru iconography and lexicon books. I'd suggest finding a portrait or mural image and trying to replicate it's style. It doesn't have to be exact due to the cost of such an enterprise, but there are great fake gems that can give the same effect. A good suggestion would be to find someone connected with a Greek Orthodox Church. Their branch of Chritianity is pretty much the same as during this time period. The Virgin Mary was the patriarch of Byzantium and protector of the city. Someone from within the Greek Orthodox belief might give you more examples of the costuming and the meaning behind them. What I couldn't find for my research paper came from such a man who was more than happy to share the glory of the meanings of the Christian iconography and meanings that are lost in so many religious ceremonies today. That was the best clas I ever had. It taught the course as fact thru the art and buildings, not a theological aspect. It gave the history of the period and how the symbols came into existance and how they changed over the years.I learned quite a bit about early Christian history that wasn't taught in Sunday school. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: penhalion@juno.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:10:01 +0000> To:! h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses> > > I am writing on behalf of a friend who is interested in doing some Byzantine woman's headresses. She can only find a few basic styles (I think she's actually only found one!) and is interested in sources which might show her different options. Does anyone here know of places which would be good to search?> > Karen> Seamstrix> ____________________________________________________________> Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGjHBEK8KkVNOzw1knq9MAAXOZGR23feYZFjhESBvKmOU/> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 14:52:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRJqeeR005252 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRJqYbS027246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRJpr2r072300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRJpmcd027106; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRJpi8j027059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.143] (dial-209-148-100-143.sonic.net [209.148.100.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBRJpg1c009233 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:51:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:51:43 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e817e58b-9473-48b7-9b2b-4031f3cb95ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 49568782.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 622 Lines: 17 What did everyone get? In my case not a whole lot. I asked my husband for several costume books, but when he gets off schedule he does this distributed Christmas thing, where stuff arrives any time before February. He did give me a copy of Cally Oldershaw's _Gems of the World_ (a reasonably substantive guide for the amateur), and a 135-carat madeira citrine pendant in a plain silver setting. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 15:05:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRK4xwu005857 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRK3YeQ018216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRK31F5072834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRK311M032891; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRK2wgT032856 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.localnet (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB13E9F066D for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:02:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200812271502.56596.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b09dd48-c493-4bd1-9500-3455fbacd05c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49568A16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 585 Lines: 21 On Saturday 27 December 2008 2:51:43 pm Lavolta Press wrote: > What did everyone get? I got a pair of Viking-era tortoise brooches and a trefoil brooch from Raymond's Quiet Press. Pictures here: http://www.quietpress.com/Images4/X-35b.JPG http://www.quietpress.com/images2/VB-33.JPG -- Cathy Raymond "If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding." --Ben "Yahtzee" Crenshaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 15:35:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRKZJja006748 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:35:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRKXxrA024939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:34:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRKXWRw078278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRKXVYB051372; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBRKXSFZ051328 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 28967 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:33:22 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:33:47 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c96862$6c3535c0$9a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcloXKWE67JC/7B0Q4+wi3GZQi7cvgABVVcg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31812b65-4a18-4e4d-9ed4-2935cc174f78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49569137.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:34:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1461 Lines: 42 I got PoF4 (and I'm soooo happy!) and new "graphicating" software for my computer that I can actually understand, for doing up patterns and classnotes and such... And a Black Hills gold watch and a new blender, which are kewl but not as fun. ;-) Liadain "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:52 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts What did everyone get? In my case not a whole lot. I asked my husband for several costume books, but when he gets off schedule he does this distributed Christmas thing, where stuff arrives any time before February. He did give me a copy of Cally Oldershaw's _Gems of the World_ (a reasonably substantive guide for the amateur), and a 135-carat madeira citrine pendant in a plain silver setting. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 15:41:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRKfBPj006903 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRKf6Be009495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRKetTf078556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:40:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRKetfk054615; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:40:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRKeqOh054555 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c1c.48c2c4d2 (32915) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:40:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:40:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd9a14d7-910d-43f3-8014-7e435faa3ac2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495692E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 17 Well, I never get anything costume related from my friends and family. But I do sew for them every year. Last year was very successful. I made long (to the floor) robes out of cotton batiks. Everyone loved theirs. This year I'm back to short sleeve shirts out of outrageous prints. My fave is out of a fabric printed with a kitchen scene of Donna Reed-like women in their 50's crinolines and pearls doing housework! There's one decorating a cake, one cleaning.... And one LOADING THE DISHWASHER! Who'd have thought a dishwasher would be printed on a fabric much less someone loading a dishwasher? I gave that shirt to my friend Lynne who hates and does not do housework....to prove that in fashion there can be irony as well as ironing. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 16:53:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRLrY2Q010579 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:53:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRLq9nf000412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:52:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRLpZCR081784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRLpXdw088516; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBRLpUgr088453 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16665 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2008 21:51:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mOGeK2xr1K7K0cuGkSULqmXkZsQps9UT7jsn+vUuWw+FeK9dWfKn0GgHXV6g7vHf+4Z7/FfrsJ84CpnjK33swh/tew/yN2T1IQ97485rek9y49sR/Z7KDZtEueporvKabOyTH/U6f+z09UW7jsNuLyxSBNpn6MocoyV68s079eg=; X-YMail-OSG: vCRbdf8VM1ngV1SkM9XGJj1VZ6uWrRxAsj9IDOpFyypt0j7UWI5x.zEM6SA0y_6yeo0sDqbObWfrNpUC3Iqbx185fxb5xPzQt0uFt9eF2AxIlRkT5JwL8MY5eA5xF_f5_9h5vLDztYngR1JUezBnfbJk0.nabPyZBPJjQX7L2CggpJtUvZwWj8rpOtfi95HCOT6g1.yoYLlMHgFLTgJ3u3QixVIsmZw5nohx3BY- Received: from [69.236.136.159] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:51:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <720326.14889.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c33f2c22-79de-4b61-b535-417ffcde8a20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4956A389.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:52:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 853 Lines: 19 Well, I got PoF4 (woohoo, lots of shirts & ruff info to work on), and "Pattern Cutting or Men's Costume" that I am enjoying, too. Nothing else sewing related, although my Santa honey got me an iPod Nano, so I can enjoy music wherever I go without dragging my laptop everywhere. It looks like I can enjoy the music in my sewing room by hooking that up to my current speaker setup. I normally get at least one gift card to a fabric store, but not this year, sadly. But with some gift money, I will be buying silk fabric, reeds, and even some silver spangles to make my next big project. Kimiko --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Lavolta Press wrote: > What did everyone get? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 17:43:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRMhQrH012745 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:43:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRMg2ig010342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:42:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRMfSue083790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRMfNG3011542; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBRMfJPM011471 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 14300 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 22:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:13 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:41:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c96874$48b423b0$1f0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcloY3PD5SYO6qJkRBurPgGEta+OpgAEJXiw X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97bf26c7-3b11-4dcf-ab88-20ef0565ff97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4956AF3A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:42:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1457 Lines: 48 How very cool - sounds like a fabric that would make spiff d=E9cor in my = 50s kitchen! :-) Liadain "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." wildernesse, the Outlands = http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:41 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts Well, I never get anything costume related from my friends and family. But I = do sew for them every year. Last year was very successful. I made long (to = the floor) robes out of cotton batiks. Everyone loved theirs. This year I'm back to short sleeve shirts out of outrageous prints. My fave is out of a fabric = printed with a kitchen scene of Donna Reed-like women in their 50's = crinolines and pearls doing housework! There's one decorating a cake, one = cleaning.... And one LOADING THE DISHWASHER! Who'd have thought a dishwasher would be = printed on a fabric much less someone loading a dishwasher? I gave that shirt = to my friend Lynne who hates and does not do housework....to prove that in = fashion there can be irony as well as ironing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 18:24:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBRNOJ61014323 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:24:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBRNOBRP023382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:24:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBRNNp2H085243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRNNmDh029098; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBRNNkSj029085 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne.montgomerie@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so352543eyd.23 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:23:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rHSHOPn0X/7Gym/8NaCRb5KtmzpZg7C8imF0dCf7PEM=; b=UI+Rv9mRQP0klm16HU3rfwi8JYSJOS2pGdT1zJP+xgQkjnSaeLzuKoWA6DnkZHL8Fk ywSJkPoyAxqFR72QtOz0/UPNaMQxWNmjmnUcXP/xljiOaIQctD2HbGzoCj88LYCCqJzU WFbNt6ZPKQ/CdgQi3I1DIzjYtABm/iQcnWg6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F3VBILojjST4kXYBC2Z4G19r/LRircGKcrrs3T0UhNKxjzKqH0pfWz0grzmvpzAAuP RDBMXLwA3y5Aq/GYIeQO0O1s0eLJEm+fqB+0ywALcq5gl8DzX0cr4nu6cB6nfJ2vKf2i Bn4sDMCvwSnCsZbRi3kgu+ttp9IJv1Umaa60Q= Received: by 10.210.66.1 with SMTP id o1mr14336258eba.0.1230420226114; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ad8b568.bb.sky.com [90.216.181.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm19560198gvb.0.2008.12.27.15.23.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:23:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4956B8F8.9040007@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:23:36 +0000 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081105 Thunderbird/2.0.0.18 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 013eaf9e-acc3-41a8-a6db-9b510232f011 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4956B91B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:24:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1718 Lines: 40 I had a very costume-related Christmas, unusually. Between Christmas and my birthday, a week earlier, I got all the back issues of Medieval Clothing and Textiles, so now I'll have to sort out buying the new issues when they come out. I also got "Woven Into the Earth" (the book of all the Greenland textile discoveries - Hjerolfsnes and others). And a fantastic book from my sister, who is a librarian and bibliovore - not deliberately costume-related, but I'm sure the pictures will come in handy. It's called "Women who Read are Dangerous", and it's an art history of women's literacy - pictures of women reading, from a 13th century Annunciation to a photo of Marilyn Monroe, with commentary on the cultural context of women reading in that time. Now I just have to learn to read and sew at the same time so I can get through all of this and the projects I have to do! Jean Lavolta Press wrote: > What did everyone get? > > In my case not a whole lot. I asked my husband for several costume > books, but when he gets off schedule he does this distributed > Christmas thing, where stuff arrives any time before February. He did > give me a copy of Cally Oldershaw's _Gems of the World_ (a reasonably > substantive guide for the amateur), and a 135-carat madeira citrine > pendant in a plain silver setting. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > New book on 1820s clothing! > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 27 20:01:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBS113ac018756 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:01:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBS0xc4E013746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBS0s8Q6091435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBS0s67M070161; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBS0s5pp070148 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4270427rvb.11 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:54:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=2lpyllQLD1VtNEYaP17kD8qFc+54u4T+kxsPm7nIwQY=; b=S0yzE/qaYuErmTtoi2LlP0cuLmLFE2/xA97R9YwnYuJGyCYpYslqw8HUun0z0UsRTI 5HcOXajp+4lcdQEMwegGTKn9khcbbkl7RK25RAX+LZEd/TRkoqmg8dKBCVy2BxysbiOM 19kIoKgJ+gXEmNcdZqggzJAoptFU7ZhhnjEQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fW8d8//oLHBN1xgFxLQPF9Di/b5+QgBLp1T5sX1jUmNG3BCjzK818Xi+DO4tsWrBeE QKqVeFP3BpeOSbWmmovhuGL6o5FmurDYOoa0m6oUxQ201Af2HKSTsqpsR0botT2pzKY7 ATPz+YLTmth+uWlvglEhaDsTACDo2Bx1Owvz4= Received: by 10.141.50.11 with SMTP id c11mr6012505rvk.28.1230425645354; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.67.1 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:54:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:54:05 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Missing pattern instructions PP #031 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 275badbe-432c-4a01-b7a2-c23a4ea34eb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4956CF7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:00:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 627 Lines: 19 Dear All I have lost my instructions for the Past Patterns 1796-1806 gown. Can anyone share with me the important bits I need to know to complete the gown? I still have all the pattern pieces. Many thanks, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Upcoming Events: Back from the Beach Ball 17 Jan 2009 Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 01:04:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBS64m4n025644 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:04:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBS63NJr003240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:04:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBS62ghB002880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBS62duW084932; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBS62aOG084883 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=YMrYN3EEE+7AiVm7UCtTzP8kOClb2meiq8JkMVe+gdKJX0k3I7aLtZhXW6lDjc0K; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=Pierre-PC.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LGojO-0001N5-T8 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:02:31 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:44:18 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> References: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5379dce996a6234f053551817db346ccfe7a4a53c2b7f2ac65350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdb091bb-d704-47f8-8473-a7604f90ae22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495716AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2247 Lines: 58 I also got PoF4, also three others (one of them has yet to be delivered - but I got a printout of the B&N listing): Gothic: Dark Glamour by Valerie Steele, et. al. from an FIT museum exhibit, with lots of background text. Brilliance! Masterpieces from the American Jewelry Design Council, by Cindy Edelstein and Frank Stankus - It's an album of pieces from each year's Design Project, where they ask jewelry designers to design a piece around a given theme. Lots of really avant-garde stuff. (I asked for this one as I have done a bit of jewelry making and would like to do more - maybe when I retire...) Corsets: Historical Patterns and Techniques, by Jill Salen (I first heard about this on this list, and it sounded cool, as I need to make a few more of these in the upcoming months...) It was a bookish Christmas - I also got 4 fiction titles on my list. One more costume-ish thing - a round box made with a wire frame covered with pale blue crystal organza and a bow - styled like a hatbox but somewhat smaller. Don't know yet what I'll use it for - the person who gave it to me said it reminded her of my costumes... Sandy P.S. - Fran, the pendant sounds lovely!! At 01:51 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: >What did everyone get? > >In my case not a whole lot. I asked my husband for several costume >books, but when he gets off schedule he does this distributed >Christmas thing, where stuff arrives any time before February. He >did give me a copy of Cally Oldershaw's _Gems of the World_ (a >reasonably substantive guide for the amateur), and a 135-carat >madeira citrine pendant in a plain silver setting. > >Fran >Lavolta Press >New book on 1820s clothing! >http://www.lavoltapress.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume "Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C. 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From: julian wilson To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <379266.31768.qm@web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Making a Heraldic flag - apology for breaking List Etiquette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e1d0f34-5e4e-4ff2-a0d1-11baf6f8bc66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49576948.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:49:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1043 Lines: 24 In a message dated 12/28/2008 1:03:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, costumrs@radiks.net writes: a round box made with a wire frame covered with pale blue crystal organza and a bow - styled like a hatbox but somewhat smaller. Don't know yet what I'll use it for - the person who gave it to me said it reminded her of my costumes That sounds like the box that a Pajamagram comes in--while it is too small for a regular hat, I've found that one of my period turbans fits in it just fine. 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Especially X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c97576df-6972-4899-9fd7-c9eba5353505 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49584390.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:27:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 823 Lines: 27 Is this an appropriate email for this group??? Also the last one about free software.... ??? Sid On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > _Click here: Felonspy.com - You need to know who your neighbors are. > Especially if they're dangerous criminals_ ( > http://www.felonspy.com/search.html) > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > ( > http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 > ) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 22:31:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT3VMNM009363 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:31:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT3VGFU002106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:31:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT3V5Jw064065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3V5mj032446; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3V1SV032396 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d66.3b595dc1 (32915) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:30:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 34 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check out Felonspy.com - You need to know who your neighbors are... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0df8ca3e-450b-4955-9d45-b65b6763fa6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49584484.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:31:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1348 Lines: 43 I am so sorry. I forwarded this to the wrong email. Please forgive me. In a message dated 12/28/2008 9:27:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, sid.young@gmail.com writes: Is this an appropriate email for this group??? Also the last one about free software.... ??? Sid On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > _Click here: Felonspy.com - You need to know who your neighbors are. > Especially if they're dangerous criminals_ ( > http://www.felonspy.com/search.html) > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > ( > http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 > ) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 22:33:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT3XPeW009511 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:33:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT3XKDY003132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT3X9ca064189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3X9JT033322; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+C4AGS9mLt5Z4yVnKwQd388YSM91+ChpU@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3X6rN033299 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBT3X5r6016052 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:33:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 14310 invoked by uid 80); 29 Dec 2008 03:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.30.72) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 29 Dec 2008 03:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <495844EC.5020405@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:33:00 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <674184e90812281926j711e2506hef61417c05115574@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <674184e90812281926j711e2506hef61417c05115574@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Attn. Chris (ShaShalott) was: Check out Felonspy.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0979f0f6-b72b-44b5-8ea4-1a67859ea0a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 49584500.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:33:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 562 Lines: 16 Sid Young wrote: > Is this an appropriate email for this group??? > > Also the last one about free software.... ??? ShaShalott is an infrequent but known poster at h-cost. It looks like her e-mail address has been hijacked and the evildoer is sending spam to everyone in her addressbook. It happens sometimes and is usually not the poster's fault. Chris, if you see this, please run your virus-checker. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 22:36:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT3akVu009674 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:36:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT3ZNY9019923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT3YvBY064255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3Yv2c034076; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+7XMjnFV+yelk88KnUdtClUpV5loz+cvA@mail41.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3Ys8F034051 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:34:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail41.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBT3YtEJ017139 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:34:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 18088 invoked by uid 80); 29 Dec 2008 03:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.30.72) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 29 Dec 2008 03:34:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4958455B.1000506@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:34:51 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check out Felonspy.com - You need to know who your neighbors are... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fff53902-3157-45f4-8707-c6f2a49f7d1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4958457B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 332 Lines: 10 ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > I am so sorry. I forwarded this to the wrong email. Please forgive me. Oh, that's much better than the alternative. You can ignore my other e-mail! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 22:37:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT3b9qu009715 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:37:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT3axaD004446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:37:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT3ana4064361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3angE035013; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT3ajKW034945 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ShaShalott@aol.com) Received: from ShaShalott@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d29.39c98de1 (32915) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: ShaShalott@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:36:36 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 34 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Attn. Chris (ShaShalott) was: Check out Felonspy.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38986808-179a-433f-881a-956a971c70fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495845DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 978 Lines: 28 Thank you Robin. I am so embarrassed over this. I will run my virus checker immediately. It's very possible that's what happened. In a message dated 12/28/2008 9:33:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, robin@netherton.net writes: > Is this an appropriate email for this group??? > > Also the last one about free software.... ??? ShaShalott is an infrequent but known poster at h-cost. It looks like her e-mail address has been hijacked and the evildoer is sending spam to everyone in her addressbook. It happens sometimes and is usually not the poster's fault. Chris, if you see this, please run your virus-checker. --Robin **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 28 23:25:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT4PlCe011192 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:25:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT4ONuL029987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:25:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT4Nmsq066374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT4NlPl052592; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT4Nkuh052582 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2392104fkk.15 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Qu/xkbEOttfYHEdjGCaTyMIsW41hJ5+fKoCFeEjtzXo=; b=bFtqxE8xr/h3tmdPeJnmzjU6ETE7eawUzByOacZYq4ToHRvf8mqesk0iAQ3+jBtY9z KIJV748rIbtb3vSmxdXtPdZOR8sgDM/q6o0eDDE5MGTEeqf85DHZJvEeT4n4CY1A2lW6 PF18cesM+Y99nvUdCEDHLEkN8KQrfBFl7D36E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DRzVl6Er63a4bwNe+sRoWjyMeWLYod9AbgKSqWfpRx9OAgEJLEgL07RNL9IUAo56Ab UE6KNeflZ7LMEHqkSc4QxteORVHGn1IlLOEwAv7YjmNGKqWIbtmYqlKmTbGzRvDRbfzf pmjU1CusqNOM8qje38BtwT10/tnJNvCkwVUZg= Received: by 10.180.239.8 with SMTP id m8mr5057319bkh.165.1230524625571; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.216.18 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90812282023v606e1a5t1deed64eed3c970e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:23:45 +1000 From: "Sid Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4958455B.1000506@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4958455B.1000506@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check out Felonspy.com - You need to know who your neighbors are... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 276abab5-be7e-43e0-adff-5d546353b232 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495850F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:25:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 604 Lines: 26 No worries :) Sid On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > ShaShalott@aol.com wrote: > >> I am so sorry. I forwarded this to the wrong email. Please forgive me. >> > > Oh, that's much better than the alternative. You can ignore my other > e-mail! > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 04:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBT9cQYI018823 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:38:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBT9b61s007558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBT9aQUd074572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT9aNtj064864; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBT9aKCo064843 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from mompresario (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1LHEXq14OM-000T39; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:35:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+j/66NV1884/qXtrP1ccJ6B/Yr+qoIAq37zFX 3f8IhyrqCzD0xMzccfPzOxB5yJFuwFMHRmnBDF+dULFWVyL2YB U5xbge8WIoY/buNE/hQTg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] Cultural Costumes on PBS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c04fa39a-3709-4880-bcfc-25ad40a0cc5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 49589A42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:37:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 519 Lines: 12 Did anyone see the show L.A. Holidays on PBS? The costumes of the different cultures were beautiful. I loved the Korean drum women's costumes. If it comes on, it is one show not to miss. Turn on the VCR! http://www.pbs.org/holidaycelebration/ Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 05:10:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBTAAiFj020339 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:10:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBTAAa1T028794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBTAAHqn075580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTAAH9c079088; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTAAEGM079066 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from mompresario (c-68-57-166-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.57.166.48]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1LHF4e0lqy-0007TV; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c9699d$b3fbdee0$6801a8c0@mompresario> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:10:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19LO2k4ZifGFIIiw6KbSljTvosrLputJXrz8d4 YAmJR1DnjoWrarDMWV3dZKiPC4x9cfQEjwRsxJFf1cPwhXzEl4 U/61EW83PyFS7F0CFZwIA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cultural Costumes on PBS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 718ac908-3c2d-4c67-893b-fc8c5ea768af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4958A21C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites of costume, fashion and textile history. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 09:08:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBTE8NOl027599 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:08:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBTE8HTf006287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBTE7kAI091325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTE7gtt091562; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTE7dG5091452 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:06:53 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id mBTE6rS85706 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:06:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 29 Dec 2008 08:06:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:06:51 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:06:48 -0600 Message-ID: <49588518.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12572243-e0e5-409f-876b-2240c7a3b77f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4958D9D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catherine "good witch, bad witch, I'm still the one with the flying monkeys" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 14:24:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBTJOwdw004897 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:24:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBTJOoGB005917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBTJOWPM022565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJOTbc029584; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJOQ5Z029501 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [24.112.152.105] ([24.112.152.105:52253] helo=Carol-Huffs-Computer.local) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 01/77-30760-2E329594 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <495923DF.9010100@clearviewcatv.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:24:15 -0500 From: Carol Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aafc64f-50c9-4e6e-a55d-66fa765cd16c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49592402.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ta Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 14:40:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBTJeqFD005339 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:40:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBTJej8h014023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:40:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBTJeYga023553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJeYaL041208; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJeWs3041183 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rharperny@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so409749eyd.23 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Aag91pFVSckDgn07v9uCDCkbR+XAf7shmS+tTq4QYgY=; b=V5d9zDTkqeszEX1meHCogyDyhQYxxO3b/ZZhcsD7B1SDeUt00ixvxHhp72wcR8ehqh uOLWWG7/uVvEfvLXA/Hjj0AhnuI+olrftewvj/zwSoQDixeM/5EAQ4ZtFRPq1RHGDqY9 ywP9LyBDlTLRE42Fi/NJusjpU14he/NhaEl88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XvpbgITq+0DOQwxk4wB5xYmU680S89Gk/qpsgWWgfu8vE6jvNU9RJlByDIGhvOZfOb E/jvg0hFy6387gLMTdv4FcVIj6BM2zNb/TPdwxMW3dLjk89aa577wvVTcqTkRLVJGxd2 nk5K/dHWZ2w1rUCXXdNYOGKoEQKCJioZbvgWk= Received: by 10.210.45.17 with SMTP id s17mr11294592ebs.147.1230579580485; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.111.8 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ef177d20812291139o4863b43m32cc1224a2f50022@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:39:40 -0500 From: "Richard Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2d80737-4af8-4279-bcda-0131dd1b527b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 495927BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:40:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 408 Lines: 12 The only costume- or sewing-related gift I received this year was the Winifred Aldrich book, Metric Cutting for Menswear -- which I *really* wanted. But I have more gift exchanges coming up (Twelfth Night, you know....) so hope springs eternal... Richard in MI _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 14:42:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBTJgGK2005402 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:42:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBTJeusv032258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBTJeIrx023533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJeIVU041019; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com (mail-ew0-f20.google.com [209.85.219.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBTJeGl1040936 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rharperny@gmail.com) Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so5139468ewy.23 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Aag91pFVSckDgn07v9uCDCkbR+XAf7shmS+tTq4QYgY=; b=GG24dgVeVYgWzL6XpOv5gSGQhzEVklbYZ6sGSwkXP6mkb55896dL+ROQTXnCiPZtm1 CZHznoPOqRWFoSA7eIkNFlzY93w5mrVtgxTQ/rQ/71rs90nG4xXW9NVDA+hmh6i+SLcv ZVGNXEqYqlBrlv88i5jxh9h+U3E09UsNOyc+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XvpbgITq+0DOQwxk4wB5xYmU680S89Gk/qpsgWWgfu8vE6jvNU9RJlByDIGhvOZfOb E/jvg0hFy6387gLMTdv4FcVIj6BM2zNb/TPdwxMW3dLjk89aa577wvVTcqTkRLVJGxd2 nk5K/dHWZ2w1rUCXXdNYOGKoEQKCJioZbvgWk= Received: by 10.210.88.7 with SMTP id l7mr3222102ebb.83.1230579610470; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.111.8 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ef177d20812291139o4863b43m32cc1224a2f50022@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:39:40 -0500 From: "Richard Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3b3b59f-a0a6-441a-8275-326f4c92df28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495927C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 408 Lines: 12 The only costume- or sewing-related gift I received this year was the Winifred Aldrich book, Metric Cutting for Menswear -- which I *really* wanted. But I have more gift exchanges coming up (Twelfth Night, you know....) so hope springs eternal... Richard in MI _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 19:32:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBU0WrTu014149 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:32:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBU0Wk5c027157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBU0ROQ2002494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBU0RKnw058062; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBU0RHJm058025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (75-162-5-2.desm.qwest.net [75.162.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBU0RFmX006095 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8ADCE644-C5CE-41F8-92AA-228750DE5A77@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:27:14 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8811/Mon Dec 29 13:02:38 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Byzantine headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea342950-de6f-482a-90cc-33b2f9ba4c81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 49596C2E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:32:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1481 Lines: 36 There is an article entitled, "Some notes on the external appearance of ordinary women in Byzantium" by M. Emmanuel, that appeared in vol. 56 of a journal called Byzantinoslavica (1995, pp. 769-778). I saw it referenced in one of Anna Muthesius' works [don't remember which one] and sent for it via InterLibrary Loan because my library does not have a subscription to this journal. The article ends very abruptly and I'm wondering if I have a complete cite... However, it does have a few line drawings of women's headdresses along with descriptions of the original artwork that the author researched so it might be of use to your friend. And if you find out that there is another page or two of text, please let us know!! HTH, Suzanne On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "penhalion@juno.com" > Date: December 26, 2008 9:10:01 PM CST > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses > ... > I am writing on behalf of a friend who is interested in doing some > Byzantine woman's headresses. She can only find a few basic styles > (I think she's actually only found one!) and is interested in > sources which might show her different options. Does anyone here > know of places which would be good to search? > > Karen > Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 29 20:55:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBU1sqWv015968 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:54:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBU1rSdm017646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBU1qnSC006156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBU1qlTC003389; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63701.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63701.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBU1qhsb003304 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93237 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2008 01:52:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JGS6VFhoPANTb+uRMN7yIn0VE/3YZmwSLOboIBaOQpAILH0LCuu85tuhqG0HqeE3o2Cf3SjtdIWHppBJPs8oG2iKjshmKy7nhbTUZOM0z4OkYI/RGNSmXAwYFuR5slw20hR59fncOZzQvDWEoPhnC/zIDqT23KWnv63Q4kNF83Q=; X-YMail-OSG: CrbkYMgVM1nXbYr7RDTCmmfmM0Mvw5asszbyF_7V.6HAAF3Wi7ZOAEGbRRWkma0Nh_Kwof_CdyVqP7sIIFHsWysa2PgcG7WPqeGk8AN.vGhzpjRiP69dQEQtA_XRkObZzRCwRamayq4PVRzOeS.jvnU6SbbXuzDWLuSlHSwKC6gmA0nqnee5JXQeZWcKy7s- Received: from [76.182.55.31] by web63701.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:52:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <993608.92797.qm@web63701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [h-cost] early 16c spanish court dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bad7ae44-35ce-4534-9975-8b8259501c63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 49597F18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:54:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 485 Lines: 25 I know I have seen examples of=A0 1530s or so=A0 spanish court gowns but i = cant for the life of me remember where....can anybody help? Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7HMtOoXtMs0 = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 08:28:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUDSaN8032490 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:28:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUDSVSD014673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUDS0Ne035802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUDRuK1089976; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUDRrCZ089940 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.16] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPA id 1861188421 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:53 -0600 Message-ID: <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a76a5902-761b-4a17-afdd-497fc09cb24b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 495A21FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 761 Lines: 21 I'm sure those of you who make costumes for customers are getting requests for the blue "farewell" dress worn by Susan in the Prince Caspian movie. I've been trying to find even ONE photo of this dress on-line and not having any luck. I did find a kinda messy mock up for an American Girl doll, and a perfect replica for a My Little Pony (eye rolls) but no photos of the dress on Susan or on a mannequin. Any tips on a photo, detailed illustration or inside knowledge of a pending pattern publication would be appreciated. My daughter is playing with the idea of making it for a prom dress. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 11:23:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUGMwTq004204 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:22:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUGLdR1021493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUGFkqs049928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUGFf1S033016; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com (mail-ew0-f20.google.com [209.85.219.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUGFcRr032895 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trephina@gmail.com) Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so5583130ewy.23 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FN36dr5L0mpXrVzf0DzGsSVxb/EgY5dkHr4sb0SLgqQ=; b=j/xkcnb5SouPSocOV7BsbWN06KQloTBdJoCOFdSqfL4ISJm0Q+SYo37Ca5790/Cyjo YrutNu0XSyBcZpVsU7U2AqO42ZKJksr8fRRGlhn08iObRLyaiPn3zh8N+a4bvVf1CVo8 lQqaTzmXPzpq4cvkafcJ27qVd9JXbN/9BvDxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=datY9D2Dcx5Po5NLVyDFAXh/BGG0L+PFVDteEDbZA7WD6lvoT040cPUDkihlessoEw 9DNKaOsxUrejRaXJOhugK3oej4DLSXna/5x7ryFFgNHnk3tG6jp8ujCqynCeTlynyZ7j YcCs1MNGHuyUg8J1BqbTdyXQWZBu1V9U9nYoE= Received: by 10.210.71.11 with SMTP id t11mr17515188eba.26.1230653732762; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.131.18 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5455634e0812300815x4f764eb1ub14b0aeef4f81516@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:15:32 -0500 From: Trephina To: "Historic Costume list" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] felonspy.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcff5ec8-960d-4a01-b3a0-663d28df054b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 495A4A93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 262 Lines: 8 Just wanted to note that this website is a hoax in case anyone wanted to check it out. Trephina (who usually lurks!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 11:31:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUGVBLi004393 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUGV6l6011066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUGUrLe050853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUGUqwh043539; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:30:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBUGUmil043440 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3498 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2008 16:30:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Q1tDft+VxvVYp9yCTbsDyXlhS2TGg53pLzxeINqHVZ3wrwiRUlkuYMfU2u7WR2RXe0abUxolCrtAO5zeOkHaDtHwTTLkNNN6Rr3IIBskCH9S9jeLF+KN7yDTlKePHVw8ZtRB0CgVqfLxpsG4kIsjXr4AWNNTbfh3KvB3RJxwMxI=; X-YMail-OSG: Lb29ensVM1nApyDi_lLd0J4BnfGUd0h7CjekAkH4Hnf2c3owCXBwfI1n9yomkhL26B2kh3zrqHEWWlQOK74oL8mJjX_m.A5jEuPpdPAPBvRKJHjS36ZDmfc3_tszcNXpWMZ1amCll1fl7DKuVmQDgZpfEWCMvjN6woMCwRFs7SEmfM85CF10BK9CSptMTVW_XYkzMAWORfTCTJnVlwQ1SlGbCQvAtrrkWcGC04qmXw-- Received: from [82.112.144.102] by web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:30:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:30:43 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5455634e0812300815x4f764eb1ub14b0aeef4f81516@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <126471.2481.qm@web23107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] felonspy.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bb81b14-5e7d-4ded-9387-aadb8d315177 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495A4CCA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 661 Lines: 13 Even if it was genuine, it probably wouldn't be allowed within the European Union since it might infringe the Human Rights of the felons. In the UK, the unscrupulous Lawyers who've made a mint from EU Human Rights Legislation at the expense of the British Taxpayer would be all over the matter like maggots on rotting meat. Matthew Baker --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Trephina wrote: Just wanted to note that this website is a hoax in case anyone wanted to check it out. Trephina (who usually lurks!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 12:30:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUHUkrP005706 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:30:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUHUe8l017952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUHUF2i055161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUHUD5I088795; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUHU9Uu088670 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xUYS1a00M16LCl056VW3Ra; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:30:04 +0000 Received: from MAIN ([71.59.83.55]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xVW21a00X1BdDlj3SVW3Nq; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:30:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <49588518.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:29:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48fd78ea-6abe-452d-99d0-768915c276e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 495A5AC0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:30:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 334 Lines: 17 Oh yeah, and a flying monkey :). I need to make him a little vest...... Catherine>> perk? Flying monkey? My SCA coat of arms is a winged monkey. Any clue where he came from? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 13:10:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUI9uXY007149 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:09:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUI8VH4019242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUI7vX5060530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUI7vo4020940; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUI7sf5020893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.163] (core-dc-2-163.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mBUI7m6Y008733 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:07:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <49588518.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <335F8510-7F52-457C-9066-4EF5E1C85A0F@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:07:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebf68e38-bf11-42ec-a663-ce378fb2f27f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 495A639F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 684 Lines: 29 On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Dianne wrote: > Oh yeah, and a flying monkey :). I need to make him a little > vest...... > Catherine>> > > perk? > > Flying monkey? > > My SCA coat of arms is a winged monkey. Any clue where he came from? > > Dianne This is funny =97 the Air & Space Museum has a monkey in a space = suit, which I got for a friend as "flying monkey." There are all = manner of toy monkeys available, and all you need to do is add wings. = The little vest and pillbox hat wouldn't hurt... :-D -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 13:12:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUICaQK007195 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:12:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUICSTo000428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUICEHO060830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUICEZh024235; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX181QhJvCFwzEm0YRoovYkUyMmWj/HZqyes@mail42.atl.registeredsite.com [209.237.134.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUICAnP024179 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail42.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBUIC8GJ020281 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:12:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 9258 invoked by uid 80); 30 Dec 2008 18:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.30.72) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 30 Dec 2008 18:12:08 -0000 Message-ID: <495A6474.9030300@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:12:04 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <49588518.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ffdac9cd-b833-4b68-81fa-eaec338e2fb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495A648C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:12:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1325 Lines: 38 Dianne wrote: > Oh yeah, and a flying monkey :). I need to make him a little > vest...... > > Catherine>> > > perk? > > Flying monkey? > > My SCA coat of arms is a winged monkey. Any clue where he came from? No idea about Catherine's, but I think mine came from here: http://www.officeplayground.com/flyingmonkey.html or possibly here: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm/terms/14980 But there's a better selection and better prices at Amazon at the moment. No wings on these, but they have nifty capes and masks ;-) You put your first two fingers into little pockets in the monkey's front paws, pull back on the back legs to make a sort of slingshot, and let go. The monkey goes flying, and emits a very satisfying shriek as it goes (and lands). A note: Once in a while you get one that doesn't work right. It's worth buying them in pairs or groups, particularly if you're giving them to kids (as I was). Shop around and you'll find discounts on bundles. There are a number of versions out there, but the original was the SuperFlyMonkey, distinguished by their rainbow helmets: http://www.buysuperflymonkey.com More than you *ever* wanted to know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 14:26:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUJQcg0008888 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUJQVIr007889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUJQ0iY067141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUJPirV081651; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUJPfOG081572 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W23 ([65.55.138.58]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:25:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:25:36 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2008 19:25:36.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[64468310:01C96AB4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7885ddd3-ebef-41b9-a942-11a806205eef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495A75E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 654 Lines: 21 Is it out on video yet? I could capture images - I can rent it from netflix. BTW - where are you in Iowa - I was born and raised (for awhile) in Iowa City. Sg > From: landofoz@netins.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:54 -0600 > Subject: [h-cost] Movie costumes > Any tips on a photo, detailed illustration or inside knowledge of a pending > pattern publication would be appreciated. My daughter is playing with the > idea of making it for a prom dress. > > Denise > Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 14:52:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUJqxFJ009479 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUJqqoT021549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUJqWgl070137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUJqVVZ003998; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUJqSsO003877 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:51:00 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id mBUJTwA99677 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:29:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 30 Dec 2008 13:29:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:29:55 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.3 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:29:49 -0600 Message-ID: <495A224D.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be949a1a-b338-4d55-9af2-bb7bd115ee3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495A7C14.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1026 Lines: 36 > Oh yeah, and a flying monkey :). I need to make him a little > vest...... > > Catherine>> > > perk? > > Flying monkey? > > My SCA coat of arms is a winged monkey. Any clue where he came from? No idea about Catherine's, but I think mine came from here: http://www.officeplayground.com/flyingmonkey.html or possibly here: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm/terms/14980 But there's a better selection and better prices at Amazon at the moment. --Robin ------------------------------ Not surprised Robin already had one of these :), and yes it is the same one as in her link. I think the hubby said he found it at Half-Price Bookstore. The cats still aren't sure what to do about the screaming..... This item is currently under consideration too :): http://www.whatonearthcatalog.com/whatonearth/Item_Flying-Monkeys_CB1282_ps_srm.html Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 15:36:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUKaLUi010385 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:36:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUKaFnO011379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUKYbQo072591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUKYacb035951; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUKYXm0035915 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2964641wah.15 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:34:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PspN6MpC63ecHqCJ/Xo0pTYjL4uFH6vV/Nm3u4v5NQA=; b=lXM5cJxCRHyAaHN9Lp465ZVtcPEByfaNE6UVHBLqGqy6bbrSIMtiu/9fjL9A1i9Yij 4Y7hmfF29XSzs4Hy2LfihuE5DTS66QQ/djGEAhSup4qluwSSJPOKHj8xOy/tSkTcaPoT 4/x9uvoqZXIjWRyVc+jrNNxYMPhXrC+7KZzuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D08l7naHKkyHznzGn4/h5OF8zVR58dKnWvq5BCEdc2/3RaogEOxRRMp620VOmN7qDA TOn3LH41z1fj7/dAPAU8Hxgsg8iSOqn0qlrT6iZNqY9XXXSfHR51nk2q8GGCInu52yHz pBlwOf9X1Hw+4oJ6VK6WSJeUei7EPVKzjIf6I= Received: by 10.114.36.4 with SMTP id j4mr9993720waj.119.1230669273385; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.155.16 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:34:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:34:33 -0800 From: Maggie To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c6a6cae-718d-42f0-985f-ce0c23e080f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495A863F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:36:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 41 It came out on DVD at the beginning of December. Lovely dress, too. MaggiRos --- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/maggiros On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Is it out on video yet? I could capture images - I can rent it from > netflix. BTW - where are you in Iowa - I was born and raised (for awhile) > in Iowa City. > > Sg > > > From: landofoz@netins.net > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:54 -0600 > > Subject: [h-cost] Movie costumes > > > Any tips on a photo, detailed illustration or inside knowledge of a > pending > > pattern publication would be appreciated. My daughter is playing with > the > > idea of making it for a prom dress. > > > > Denise > > Iowa > > ___ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 17:52:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUMqgRI016844 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:52:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUMqbtj006716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:52:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUMq72h083208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUMq4WD034610; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUMq0vr034568 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.16] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPA id 1861652668 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:52:00 -0600 Message-ID: <012d01c96ad1$3d18bbb0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario><00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:52:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e464892-2b75-4c04-833b-6f3eef46a30e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495AA635.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:52:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 604 Lines: 21 > Is it out on video yet? I could capture images - I can rent it from netflix. BTW - where are you in Iowa - I was born and raised (for awhile) in Iowa City. > > Sg > Yes, we got it for Christmas. My computer doesn't play dvds so that option is out for me. It's a pretty good movie and does have nice costumes on other characters, too! :-) I live in central Iowa, near Ames, but grew up in eastern Iowa close to the Quad Cities. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 18:08:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUN8YKH017130 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:08:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUN8M1s020096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:08:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUN89le085734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUN899a046827; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUN85CM046736; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081230230801.JEUB14968.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:08:01 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml28 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id xb801a00D4h0NJL02b80TA; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:08:00 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=auYMc5ZDJ42Bda2Ct9j1gg==:17 a=PA9Va27tAAAA:8 a=pChfChu5P5UUcmTrvPYA:9 a=Si3LUAe8NWUQirbKykcA:7 a=ZvclWRv8VdiZAMhIlByFMUJGPtUA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from 72.205.219.81 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0500 From: Lyonet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6ee62a6-2b0b-4dbd-82b5-486e9d6340c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 495AA9E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:08:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_IP_FROMIP3,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 744 Lines: 16 Greetings to the list, I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made someday, in my mind. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? Thanks for any input to my question. Lyonet lurker 99.9% of the time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 18:15:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUNFbom017276 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:15:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUNFWVP020969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUNEvUf086131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUNEuRZ051366; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUNErlf051266; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081230231448.IJJG3950.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:14:48 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml28 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id xbEo1a00A4h0NJL02bEoo5; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:14:48 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5qtJcWpvxxoA:10 a=JJjDdHiZylYA:10 a=auYMc5ZDJ42Bda2Ct9j1gg==:17 a=Cz6rItrJ46n0G-5E-T4A:9 a=HU-oiRhzy4LsW-Y7fpUA:7 a=X08jQxLvrnx0tpcRmmw9Zu0XmwgA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=RuUFyYNDO3yO77lT0//NGWoIu/k=:19 a=W4p2O1RRCiKvpHYRjpyNxtl0mxk=:19 a=hzgs7+NtdFhKk5SU7mvKiq0TL4A=:19 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from 72.205.219.81 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20081230181448.G9XSY.223293.imail@eastrmwml28> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:14:48 -0500 From: Lyonet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15bcb278-b56c-49dc-98e9-076a37694fea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495AAB94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:15:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_IP_FROMIP3,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 431 Lines: 8 I got a $40.00 gift card to JoAnn's and yesterday I got about $110.00 worth of various linen fabrics for $43.67. I am so excited to have been in the right place at the right time for such a fabo sale. Lyonet who could not resist sharing about her wonderful Christmas gift _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 18:59:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBUNxWTl018229 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:59:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBUNw79t008225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBUNvZqd090072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUNvXSI078570; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBUNvUBc078505 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W5 ([65.55.138.40]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:57:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.186] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:57:25 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> References: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2008 23:57:25.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D4F6970:01C96ADA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0035f4f9-3d68-433a-9c57-548cee8a3f11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495AB58F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 420 Lines: 16 Wow, I have never seen this picture before. Very cool. I think the cartridge pleating approach would work....that is a lot of work to embroider first....I wonder if you could paint a pattern of fabric?? As for the chemise, a pleater would make that easy work.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 19:10:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV0AIiV018388 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:10:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV08sfA010728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:09:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV08JZc090679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV08JYf084554; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV08G19084514 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.localnet (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAA69F066E for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:08:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> In-Reply-To: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200812301908.12429.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2fa6f69-5db1-4b12-b569-0c64927daa9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495AB816.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:09:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1133 Lines: 32 On Tuesday 30 December 2008 6:07:59 pm Lyonet wrote: > Greetings to the list, > > I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been > entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made > someday, in my mind. > > http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG > > These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then > cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the > elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice > is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? > > Thanks for any input to my question. Frankly, to me it looks as though the pleated and trimmed section at the armscye is a separate piece, and is not joined to the sleeve at all. However, Italian Ren isn't my main period of interest. -- Cathy Raymond "If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding." --Ben "Yahtzee" Crenshaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 19:21:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV0LGf3018517 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:21:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV0LAPM018984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV0KwFN091537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV0KwT7091645; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBV0KsEq091580 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEXXQXEAR8NL2S for (sender ); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:19:48 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn760yi1xwSngmaq/1d+Pp04kDApjhtA1biw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N5PVMBU3; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:19:42 PST Received: from [76.29.118.252] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:18:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.29.118.252] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:18:42 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20081230.181842.27167.3@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2889028186 X-MAIL-INFO: 33a431b43194ed1d94edf454404040108de591f0f1f9c02d595024fd1924492df1519435619975d03140b11d3001d1b441bd19b47dd4557d6ded44ed40b55d898515715555011980741414e49da171298df1a9f161755161752dd0752d802905a595651091a5e444351000e4f4a064e459f0ad8d458db0b12d49758dd0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb2134c2-32ea-4f26-8a68-0fdebcf38105 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495ABAF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:21:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1764 Lines: 46 Are we even sure that it's a part of the sleeve? I'm not an expert on this period but it looks possible that it's a series of ribbon-like bits that have an almost fringe effect. Karen Seamstrix -- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008 6:07:59 pm Lyonet wrote: > Greetings to the list, > > I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been > entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made > someday, in my mind. > > http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG > > These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then > cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the > elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice > is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? > > Thanks for any input to my question. Frankly, to me it looks as though the pleated and trimmed section at the armscye is a separate piece, and is not joined to the sleeve at all. However, Italian Ren isn't my main period of interest. -- Cathy Raymond "If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding." --Ben "Yahtzee" Crenshaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ Click to find information on your credit score and your credit report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oy9uV2yQFc6CxCFuZPBK24vfEnREWTQPnbrRP5xShJjKrm/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 19:27:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV0Rgf7018599 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:27:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV0QHUr024569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV0PpO4091862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV0PpRe094414; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV0Pn0i094399 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so5250458rvb.3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tnOJC+2eUDssrwM51SteWlpdmGDYF4NakKsgGW4ys9c=; b=f+rp+HISl5SjPyfa/cI8pfOYFoTyS8E0jSrogz7mN7uZ5+iDgJdnOI+zCJjiSoNCy1 +w/XxSJ91ib++Td8nRbW8Z4Hwq7JX8WtOEu+Htn+BWUsS7VIcL4RRFzaD7S9GrPlTtn7 qlDNGQmKDPjygF5o0L3T5FnpESf4BOaT+fs/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=rM3qHGzPhmOqy5+6j74Vn8caUANpat6s2nlcxbdiwvz+4A51CKt9Y7Cr3Lfd2+BmlJ /kUy4GVRv+0OAHnZdgrZ1e4vRYCdXZDHpEXVrzVDTgKe3Yo5Cj8LNrGMqrpjGRr3PLAh HwnaHi69psxIkT31wPZ3xaNZYOX4uodKeNYgo= Received: by 10.141.96.19 with SMTP id y19mr7510566rvl.89.1230683149155; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.67.1 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:25:49 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <012d01c96ad1$3d18bbb0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> <012d01c96ad1$3d18bbb0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a5a3c30-9eb5-4084-be19-1d01b94511b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 495ABC29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian Jane Austen Festival 16-19 April 2009 http://www.earthlydelights.com.au http://www.reproductions.blogspot.com http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=19098290 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 22:15:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV3FBdB021959 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:15:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV3F4EH012250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV3EbW4000293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3EXfI070794; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3EUYl070762 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CCC8D591DC; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:14:29 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" , Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:14:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20081230180759.UT6VP.223205.imail@eastrmwml28> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f474bc21-c9c5-4e6f-962a-375ad3247e98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495AE3B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:15:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1294 Lines: 39 By the way here is to new to me pictures by Giovanni Cariani http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Giovanni_Cariani_005.jpg http://tinyurl.com/a8w8zk http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Giovanni_Cariani_004.jpg The seduction picture looks as if it could be either a. fringe but it looks to stiff. b. separate piece sleeve cap that has the edge snipped and bound. c. sleeve cap created from the upper portion of the main sleeve. Think reverse seam where the pleated flap is turned out and the edge it bound. De -----Original Message----- Greetings to the list, I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made someday, in my mind. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? Thanks for any input to my question. Lyonet lurker 99.9% of the time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 22:29:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV3SlqX022227 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:28:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV3RBep030170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:28:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV3Oh25000838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3OhLM075411; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.uvm.edu (smtp2.uvm.edu [132.198.101.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3ObA3075323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:24:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local (c-24-63-145-130.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [24.63.145.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.uvm.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3ODHs023355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: <495AE5E2.5030609@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:24:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , landofoz@netins.net References: <006901c96998$f7c8b080$6801a8c0@mompresario> <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080600040605050708000104" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef981469-b716-4998-bec9-ed196c4a2403 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495AE68F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 802 Lines: 29 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080600040605050708000104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Land of Oz wrote: > the blue "farewell" dress worn by Susan > Any tips on a photo... couple of rough screen shots--none of the back, but it is shaped as same as the front... - Hope P.S. I don't remember if this list takes attachments. I can post them somewhere if not. --------------080600040605050708000104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------080600040605050708000104-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 22:41:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV3f36D022734 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:41:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV3evh7015401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:41:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV3ekgM002380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3ejDJ083706; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3eg6s083622 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B315911A for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:40:41 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:41:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00ac01c96a82$6c8d44a0$10a73743@denise8541f2db> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 352b86a6-4064-4fcf-9fd3-425fc1f7bbc1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 495AE9CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 33 Have not seen the movie so hope these help http://costumes.narniaweb.com/ http://tinyurl.com/7acy4u http://tinyurl.com/9l424o My favorite site for Movie Costumes http://www.costumersguide.com/costume_research.shtml De -----Original Message----- I'm sure those of you who make costumes for customers are getting requests for the blue "farewell" dress worn by Susan in the Prince Caspian movie. I've been trying to find even ONE photo of this dress on-line and not having any luck. I did find a kinda messy mock up for an American Girl doll, and a perfect replica for a My Little Pony (eye rolls) but no photos of the dress on Susan or on a mannequin. Any tips on a photo, detailed illustration or inside knowledge of a pending pattern publication would be appreciated. My daughter is playing with the idea of making it for a prom dress. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 22:44:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV3hx6w023039 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:43:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV3hspo010343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV3hhqM002777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:43:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3hhuM085439; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV3hfFK085405 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D09755911A; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:43:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" , Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:44:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a33422f2-d102-4c9b-a054-c264fe7617c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495AEA7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:43:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 34 I don't think that it is embroidery but a similar colored brocade or a fabric that had an edge that had a gold thread design interwoven. this would make sense with the two part sleeve and that the bodice looks to be pleated as well to match the cuff ruffle and the sleeve cap. Side note: She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia. De -----Original Message----- Greetings to the list, I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made someday, in my mind. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? Thanks for any input to my question. Lyonet lurker 99.9% of the time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 30 23:09:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV498Vq024453 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:09:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV493Si029486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV48nQd004054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV48nFP097696; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV48jbZ097671 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.localnet (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A799F066E for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:08:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.2; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200812302308.45182.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3406f8ef-294e-4566-99f4-a89c5bb2b3fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495AF05F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 463 Lines: 16 On Tuesday 30 December 2008 10:44:02 pm otsisto wrote: > > Side note: She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia. You may well be right...but how can you tell? Cathy Raymond "If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding." --Ben "Yahtzee" Crenshaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 01:25:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV6Ph1M029027 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:25:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV6Pb0G020372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:25:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV6PAWZ008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV6P7Xs061587; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.164]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV6P4GL061504 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W11 ([64.4.19.111]) by bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:24:59 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.134] From: Becky Rautine To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:24:59 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2008 06:24:59.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[81889330:01C96B10] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3333864-963a-4bb3-9b16-58d029a51f36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495B1061.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 2757 Lines: 42 I recently had to deconstruct my skirt (due to not being made the correct s= ize). When I clipped the stitching that was holding the pleats so tight, an= d attached it to a larger band... there was less fabric for the tightly gat= hered pleating. They didn't stand up as nicely as before. I stitched a stri= p of felted wool to the underside of the pleats, then regathered them onto = the new band. It still had some slack. I inserted beads in between each ple= at at 2 places (one small bead near the band and one slightly larger bead a= bout 1.5 inches outward). The felt padded the pleats well and the result lo= oks very similar to the image. It lays correctly on the bum roll and adds t= he poof I wanted. It also spaces each pleat the same amount. I think this is what the top of the sleeves are, and not a fringe. I don't = know if this is period or not but it holds the shape I want and adds detail= to the waist area. The puffyness is probably something inside it to fluff it up to much. That'= s my guess.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-cost= ume@indra.com; Italian_Renaissance_Costuming@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 30= Dec 2008 21:44:02 -0600> Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve qu= estion> > I don't think that it is embroidery but a similar colored brocade= or a> fabric that had an edge that had a gold thread design interwoven. th= is would> make sense with the two part sleeve and that the bodice looks to = be pleated> as well to match the cuff ruffle and the sleeve cap.> Side note= : She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia.> > De> > > > -----Orig= inal Message-----> Greetings to the list,> > I have spent too much time loo= king at paintings today and have been> entranced by this one in particular.= The dress is begging to be made> someday, in my mind.> > http://realmofven= us.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG> > These sleeves look= like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then> cartridge pleated, als= o at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the> elbow area. Am I interpr= eting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice> is with the same treatm= ent but is flat, yes?> > Thanks for any input to my question.> > Lyonet> lu= rker 99.9% of the time> > > _______________________________________________= > h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/m= ailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE. = http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 02:35:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBV7ZMmP030460 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:35:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBV7XxBK032047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:34:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBV7XP5J011040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV7XNTC091972; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3i.socket.net [216.106.88.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBV7XKgC091926 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BCC46EF14 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:33:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:33:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200812302308.45182.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11f5f743-0f7c-469c-8535-ee0ff53265b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495B2067.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:34:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 903 Lines: 26 -----Original Message----- On Tuesday 30 December 2008 10:44:02 pm otsisto wrote: > > Side note: She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia. You may well be right...but how can you tell? Cathy Raymond >>>> The white area has two shades of white. The upper section of white indicates that the camicia is of a sheer material and that the lower white section indicates that there is a lining, it is probably a shift and most likely sleeveless or straps. Also the closing area seems to look like there might be two layers. This shift/lining may have also been a means of support but that is a theory. Oonagh's site on shift under camicia for a late period Italian. http://www.geocities.com/technically_naked/elusive_smock.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 08:26:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVDQQZ5007499 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVDQKX2019010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:26:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVDPhsM030898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVDPdvi071710; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBVDPaD4071637 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99781 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2008 13:25:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JUyQ5dwfHAGdDLU2qBGqngx+OaQejDtxIm122DUrPzWUEj6B3c4oT0bYEQQTkSu/DAEDL881oTkTrbahssTLw/qWIQQVfYMCEcaV0yP0SGHohzbewo4cvoZjy06H8KLUf4qamdriG6RYvmokjC5VGIH0+hZ2iDNJ5o3kqwF6zwg=; X-YMail-OSG: 9rDr3_MVM1lXTS95uA.oX8gT2LqRAvauyvrI5xOlVfgedJguHrLwe1YAPoD3z6NmHfP.9OcMLfPtSbyWnZQwd_dxHFXM.PS4Ol0t25N.8kdg0IHybRC3ivfut74_O9iLwuAaBVMKzESJ_IIFw3NpJs5P0rNLeYa9n6GJIfIjrhpz5vfVr1UrGveiEi2S Received: from [72.192.199.62] by web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:25:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:25:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <115062.99717.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af47c084-e136-4511-b948-153ab66d4080 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495B72FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:26:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 342 Lines: 12 I received The Complete Costume History by Auguste Racinet. Anyone know anything about it? How's the scholarship or shall I just look at the pretty pictures? It is a huge book. Kay _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 09:07:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVE7V6k008488 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:07:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVE5vDh026690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVE5U2B036906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVE5Tm6096861; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVE5Q72096779 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-457fe76e.dyn.optonline.net [69.127.231.110]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0KCQ00E0HV48TY00@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:05:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:04:53 -0500 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <115062.99717.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81b989de-6485-45c9-94e8-2d9ac8465632 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495B7C45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:06:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 968 Lines: 34 Pretty pictures. Racinet was the be-all-and-end-all at his time (19th C.), but everything is redrawn. (Better you should look at original art.) However it is fun to find the original art and then see how he changed it. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kay Shelton Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts I received The Complete Costume History by Auguste Racinet. Anyone know anything about it? How's the scholarship or shall I just look at the pretty pictures? It is a huge book. Kay _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 09:14:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVEEnK2008672 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVEEhMg008322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:14:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVEERpO037637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVEERMM002251; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp8.kp.org [162.119.242.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVEEOve002209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp599.kp.org ([172.21.128.153]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id mBVE3nCb026275 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:14:19 -0800 Received: from [172.21.145.53] by ktazp599 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:14:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:14:11 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-SMTP03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 7.0.2FP2 HF206|August 27, 2007) at 12/31/2008 06:14:13 AM, Serialize complete at 12/31/2008 06:14:13 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.153] - 2008-12-31 - 06:14:20 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early 16c Spanish court dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 133e218f-cf77-4c37-8538-09c8a974a494 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495B7E53.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:14:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 637 Lines: 16 > I know I have seen examples of? 1530s or so? spanish court gowns but i cant for > the life of me remember where....can anybody help? _Hispanic Costume: 1480-1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson is a _wonderful_ resource for early 16th cent. Spanish gowns. It was recently in print but looking on Amazon it seems to have fallen out of print again - however, Hedgehog Handworks still has it at in-print prices: http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT0026.shtml Best of luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 11:49:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVGnZah013091 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:49:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVGnUdx017039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVGmxeV050722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:48:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVGms78002933; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVGmprl002899 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from janina.krakowska@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so3519720rne.11 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:48:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hiOGr7jv8O0rTqmuxcaS46GuLQH6kyQkjEbEQyNQ6ug=; b=bUdJf74tP5TaZhVQXOKp+SylZJmSRawgMTiz5Wm4sVYnQKC9Hx0j+sljyWcTKJO9Yq u2m7P2/kEPTabAmUCUzEjVzwsX2i0JbrFormp+dlpbLVDtZuxiq8vnAHNncgIBable9N GmgHQJqjHW3Gg6N8RQnCrkWqF9lgh6xN96jKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Qg4CypvSsiQcaix98gPNL9CCLmpZR1fmZ4i4an9NjlfxaxCcf/41x5qBaqLtl/pHvW Tl2w47nqcnk1k+YweJ/TChto1s3x0athFcxiqrsf8FMWZYXbfC1xhBUHCd/Tv4n6qxgY jyrXE+b802zLJi83GQUpzHVJTIPIMVz8RUMcs= Received: by 10.151.109.11 with SMTP id l11mr29231733ybm.32.1230742130931; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.121.8 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:48:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8f8539d80812310848h7bb7acc3j150d1454174bf4c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:48:50 -0500 From: "Janina Krakowska" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb24429f-4a1c-4357-a010-7b1345f44547 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495BA29A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:49:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 522 Lines: 11 I got what I think may be the sexiest seam ripper ever - Gingher makes one that looks like something that might re found in Stork Trek. Retractable blade. Then the next box was the boxed set of Gingher scissors - score! And the display case of Guttermann threads. Good thing that one of the children had a second job at JoAnns and got all of it at a great discount. Joanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 14:36:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVJa423017550 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:36:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVJZwj9006200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:36:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVJZWcg062197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVJZV16024606; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:35:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBVJZRtO024496 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85625 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2008 19:35:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rZ0IUNaYTijofwRrOuZF2dHbzhthEMlG5cjuOEU99zSIw784WHFza2atNWaIvUMOTwBnEyZvEu8UnxK6bMNWKsOavU2iJPEqyLEtr58jW9rZu4fuHNfrzeTxD9uOTxaacvTR6HezehoPTYio+MCJXRUeVa6B41wqG+OozgGH6bo=; Received: from [76.182.55.31] by web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:35:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <124598.85410.qm@web63702.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early 16c Spanish court dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09c7f978-ebd7-4386-9d30-ece0c675b196 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 495BC99E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1317 Lines: 48 MAy you and your needles be blest in the New Year.... MErcy Buckets!!! Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org wrote: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Subject: Re: [h-cost] early 16c Spanish court dress To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 9:14 AM > I know I have seen examples of? 1530s or so? spanish court gowns but i cant for > the life of me remember where....can anybody help? _Hispanic Costume: 1480-1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson is a _wonderful_ resource for early 16th cent. Spanish gowns. It was recently in print but looking on Amazon it seems to have fallen out of print again - however, Hedgehog Handworks still has it at in-print prices: http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT0026.shtml Best of luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 15:01:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVK1gDi018683 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:01:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVK0NaJ006180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVJxj2r063367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVJxhV9040117; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVJxfla040099 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:59:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so3217618wah.15 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hfIkPJkHhSGTWe7RAHITN5fJTWeFic8J/cc8KBBRRn4=; b=PmnXYPPXFt+ruLYtiWHuj3CK5Rg90y3vc+jlEIZJ6aOHRMKrY6EMKCSFJvOXteaLoz +U+dm0uL0em1T/UI9GkIzaFYiDH8D2l3Ey1IEcwHGE6uKjlx1I5ZA4x7JHNgxBsITnC0 oemwulwR8MsyOYhbfRYsLZR1oKZ0dUzHUYYr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=g2VrUdyuIogE1TXDiqnmput5B94Jw/cSchuFQyNlivAcm1XV6djoI1eFFn2VhPi+Wo Z+Nu7DfgRKINI4rZZzNVAsVJi9BTwAt7kPTyAIUFqjzgEjoWYrtJy+HZahnyb/MdEHT3 iC1cWGZ7l0zVt2iJ2Gm7VqxceLOzH6Xdw+4eE= Received: by 10.115.91.2 with SMTP id t2mr10675530wal.224.1230753580410; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.93.11 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:59:40 -0500 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ffafc127-ad51-49b9-bd7a-4215c00a28cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495BCF57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1118 Lines: 23 > I don't think that it is embroidery but a similar colored brocade or a > fabric that had an edge that had a gold thread design interwoven. this would > make sense with the two part sleeve and that the bodice looks to be pleated > as well to match the cuff ruffle and the sleeve cap. > Side note: She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia. *****************************> The chemise looks like it is smocked to me. The tiny pleats and near same color embroidery would match. Is that a necklace underneath or a sheer partlet? As for the sleeves, it looks like embroidery to me. Much of what we think is brocade from period was actually embroidered, not woven. Expecially if it had coat of arms on it. I see running stitches across the sleeves, caps, and wrist ruffles, but not the bodice itself. It looks to me like a contrast piece for the upper bodice and sleeve tops with a stitch to bring the sleeve tops and the caps together visually -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 15:22:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVKMYbm019188 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:22:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVKLFV4012646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:21:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVKJMQd064269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVKJLp1052993; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBVKJImC052901 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72825 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2008 20:19:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TCW7zJxTmhr5yNEiuIR/zTvgjf52/ym09bINMzkk5/MaeP6BWOGezAoC5W/glrTDFFtfRb5YCFlrN0RwjJQps4lkUqqeNEAiGs567pRdvdVgNdQCovp0f13/XLLh3fJWkqxddHwhtCeTdyP0P0CQYRdzkdahUO/IPl5ELiapP5g=; X-YMail-OSG: XXfca2QVM1mkq54xSOHBC1T4MRFSygHiQpeIjx9o2mIQuIp56uHqjK1GR232NcCjiEcVkF0rxCfMz1aegzvhdRLYQMI4rOq.r1dhAvS2LOkF3M46dUjznYrnmU6Ccqxm.fvKCSt4Q1BioO1hHZaL9yJp0uHuUk3Xtyu0vShjicbsW7eM_J9.CzImehY5 Received: from [97.113.1.140] by web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:19:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1156.77 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <4956874E.4080201@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <246721.71455.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume- and sewing-related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 314a07c7-dddd-4b78-812b-21db68e196f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 495BD43B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:21:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 765 Lines: 23 My roommate gave me=A0a small fabric sewing kit reputed=A0to be an antique = Victorian one.=A0 It's a dark blue velvet with an old gold silk-type fabric= lining. I was given two lengths of fabric I *wanted* during my recent trip to the L= A garment district by my friends. Otherwise, that was it this year.=A0 Normally my boss gives me a gift card = to JoAnn Fabrics, but with the snow in our area, that didn't happen-instead= it ended up being Bed,=A0Bath and Beyond.=A0 I'll probably end up regiftin= g it, since I don't shop there.=A0 = =A0JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir = = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 31 18:48:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBVNmT6q023578 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:48:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBVNmNC7020568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBVNljCf074029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVNlgkY084243; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBVNlcKv084181 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C0E8E591AD; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:47:37 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" , Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:47:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20081230.181842.27167.3@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eef07f4a-b094-4243-b29c-bb8e7b967d21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 495C04C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:48:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: O Content-Length: 1652 Lines: 41 The caps the cuffs and bodice look more like a part of the fabric then embroidery. The bodice, if you enlarge the pictures appears to be pleated. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG http://tinyurl.com/8q48hy There are other paintings that have pleated or gathered fronts. ex: http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/LadyParapet.jpg http://tinyurl.com/8gepo9 Perhaps brocade is not the correct term. What I am saying is that the fabric may have had a design woven on one of the selvage ends (similar to some sari fabrics), including the "yellow" band and the seamstress may have made use of it by cutting the fabric and sewing it so that the design would end up at the cuffs, bodice and caps. The band seen is to big for a simple running stitch. It appears to be a necklace and not a partlet. There may be a fob on the end hiding in the cleavage. De Original: <<<