From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 09:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32353 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:33:21 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA13389; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:44:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA02784 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA02774 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:40:07 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip75.van15.pacifier.com [216.65.137.75]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA00297 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:40:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904011440.GAA00297@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:37:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > At the London Book Trade Fair last weekend I had the great misfortune to > meet and have a discussion with Jean Hunnisett's publisher, Bill from Player > Press. > - He had been going to publish a book early this year of "corrections > to Janet Arnold's books", but that Jean had decided she didn't want to now > Janet was dead (though what Jean had to do with it he wasn't clear on), but > once Jean died he probably would print it (now that's the kind of publisher > you need - one who can't wait till you die!). If he does, he may be stepping on copywrite toes anyway as this book is already in print (well, it was in the past.) It's called "The Annotated Arnold" and was written by Bob Trump. Most of the corrections are minor (like putting one set of hooks and eyes on a waistband instead of 2, 2 stripes where only one was in the original, measurements off by 1/4", etc.). When Janet was asked about some of the errors, she admitted that her graduate students had done the redrawings for her (but since they have different ways of looking at crediting of students than the US, I guess that's fair.) That doesn't take away from her work as a whole. Nor does it make her a "sloppy historian." Probably what happened is that he has heard some of the normal grouching that people in a close knit community do when they think it will go no further. I'm sure you know the kind of things like that (as they sometimes even appear on this list at times) such as "I wish she had made a better color choice there. It's not a very period color." Or "She missed that source on nitpickydetail#1 when she wrote that." Or "Hey, I can do better than that. Look at that pickydetail#2 on that collar!" It does sound like he was stepping over the bounds of respect, doesn't it. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 09:40:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32394 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:40:48 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14248; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA03648 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA03639 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc1010062-a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990401144732.KZJT27153.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062-a> for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: <003301be7c4f$23321d20$cb860318@cc1010062-a.avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: Subject: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer WAS Re: Amazon Drygoods Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:51:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" Ummm....do you have an address or phone number???? Please???? :D ~Kyna >Dear List, > >Not to take anything away from Amazon Drygoods, but I recently ordered >some corset supplies (a busk, boning, etc) from Greenberg & Hammer and >they had what appeared to be wholesale prices on lots of cool things. >The busk I ordered was at least $10 cheaper than any other price I could >find!! > >They are not on the Web and their catalog costs $1 (last I checked) but >if you are willing to send away for the catalog, I think it is well >worth your time! They also give bulk discounts if you have a need to >order large quantities of things. > >And last time I ordered from them, they were very polite, helpful and >mailed my things in a very timely manner. Just wanted to share another >resource! > > >Diana :~> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 09:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32434 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:46:53 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14342; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA03772 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA03731 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) From: cnevin@caci.co.uk Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16828 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:44:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2AF4TJW9>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: fire.fly@hotbot.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Up&coming books Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cnevin@caci.co.uk The 1920s book I spoke about is apparently getting more photos, but won't be printed until the current edition has all sold. I'm pretty sure this is it below; Women's Wear of the 1920's by Ruth Countryman , Elizabeth Weiss Hopper Our Price: $57.00 Hardcover (August 1998) Players Press; ISBN: 0887346545 Does anyone on the list have a copy? What did you think? They have also done a 1930s book in the same series (which was there, but I didn't actually view it), which if it is as good as the '20s one looks to be, is another 'must buy'. I'm not sure when this will be coming out, possibly later this year. Regards, Tina Nevin ---------- From: Firefly [SMTP:fire.fly@hotbot.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 3:27 PM To: Christina Nevin Subject: (No Subject) Apart from the petty talk, I wonder if Bill has any news about upcoming books? I haven't posted this to the listserve, but your answer may be interesting to everyone, so you may want to post it there as well. Still, he sounds like an irritating fellow! --- Visit my homepage: http://pages.hotbot.com/travel/fire.fly HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 10:38:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00036 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:38:26 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA23031; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12537 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:44:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12525 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:44:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP330.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.108]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01791 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004001be7c57$c1285f00$6c1cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! This is interesting. A friend of mine e-mailed me a few months ago after I mentioned Ms. Arnold's death in passing on an SCA newsgroup and mentioned that she'd heard similar accusations (that museums didn't like her and that there were errors in her drawings.) I, likewise, just said "Huh?" because I'd never heard a peep from the historic costuming community that she was anything other than extremely well-regarded. I'm just a thesis defense away from a doctorate in history, and I can safely say that Ms. Arnold's research is most definitely *not* sloppy. Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 10:59:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00215 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:59:25 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA26804; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16486 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA16469 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:06:27 -0700 (MST) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 6AURa01940 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:05:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37643293.3703993b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:05:15 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Drygoods Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com Where, please, can I find Greenberg & Hammer? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 11:10:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00282 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:10:19 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA29135; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18834 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA18819 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23167 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:17:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37039C51.B8A60F41@serv.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:18:25 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer References: <37031560.CD47AC02@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover So what is their contact info? They sound great. Cynthia > I recently ordered > some corset supplies (a busk, boning, etc) from Greenberg & Hammer and > they had what appeared to be wholesale prices on lots of cool things. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 11:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00325 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:17:31 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA00851; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:28:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA20198 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hummer.tci.net (hummer.tci.net [209.19.4.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA20151 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303-a (c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.4.53.172]) by hummer.tci.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 2CZ5P9LW; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:22:59 -0700 Message-ID: <016a01be7c5c$074747e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:23:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" >From http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/mailorder.html Greenberg and Hammer 24 W. 57th St. NY, New York 212-246-2835. 72437,674@compuserve.com steel and plastic boning. Their boning is the cheapest I've found anywhere. Sincerely, F. Havas -----Original Message----- From: Merouda the True of Bornover To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:17 AM Subject: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer : :-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover : :So what is their contact info? They sound great. Cynthia : :> I recently ordered :> some corset supplies (a busk, boning, etc) from Greenberg & Hammer and :> they had what appeared to be wholesale prices on lots of cool things. : :-- :Cynthia Long :Merouda the True of Bornover :Barony of Madrone :Kingdom of An Tir : : : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 11:57:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00644 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:57:04 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA07213; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA27790 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:02:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.vcnet.com (mailadm@mail.vcnet.com [209.239.239.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA27782 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:02:43 -0700 (MST) From: KaosWarior@vcnet.com Received: from [209.239.238.90] by mail.vcnet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-39954U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA15102 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:02:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:07:12 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Febreze Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: KaosWarior@vcnet.com I know that this may be redundant... But, I'm wondering if the afflicted animals in question, were directly sprayed with said product, where upon they licked their fur, there by ingesting the toxin? just something I was wondering about (when all else fails-read the directions) Thanks for your time, Scott >-Poster: Julie Adams > >Joanne Howl, DVM forwarded me this as she just received it in the mail: > >>Date: March 26, 1999 >>To: Whom It May Concern >>Subject: Febrezeô Fabric Refresher >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Steven R. Hansen, DVM, MS >>Diplomate American Board of Veterinary Toxicology >>Senior Vice President _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 12:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00711 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:07:19 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA09407; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA00335 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:14:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA00302 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:14:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23473 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:14:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703A9A0.C627BB95@serv.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:15:13 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Febreze References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover As far as I know it's not accurate that there have been any deaths or injuries. It is however only meant for fabric. C~ > But, I'm wondering if the afflicted animals in question, > were directly sprayed with said product, where upon they > licked their fur, there by ingesting the toxin? > > just something I was wondering about > (when all else fails-read the directions) > > Thanks for your time, > Scott > > >-Poster: Julie Adams > > > >Joanne Howl, DVM forwarded me this as she just received it in the mail: > > > >>Date: March 26, 1999 > >>To: Whom It May Concern > >>Subject: Febrezeô Fabric Refresher > >> > > >>Sincerely, > >> > >>Steven R. Hansen, DVM, MS > >>Diplomate American Board of Veterinary Toxicology > >>Senior Vice President > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 12:50:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01014 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:50:18 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA16431; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:59:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA08613 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA08559 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:54:16 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 6ILQa28729 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:53:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:53:40 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: H-COST: Up&coming books Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Dear Tina, I spoke with Ruth Countryman on Tuesday evening about another topic. She did say in passing that she and Liz are working the the 1930s copy. Both Liz and Ruth are detailed people, very saavy, very aware of how people use this type of book. Sally Costume Calendar Series, Calendar 2000 available June 1, 1999 http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 13:26:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01223 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:26:54 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22286; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA00751 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA00737 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA05627 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:18:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703B747.429EF3F2@best.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:13:28 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > But no - he proceeded to spend the next ten minutes > libelling Janet Arnold by saying; > - her research was sloppy and inaccurate > - her measurements were off > - the Museums she did business with had disliked her because she used > photos she didn't have permission to (in a JA book?!) and she stole things > from them > - Hunnisett's books were more historically accurate > - He had been going to publish a book early this year of "corrections > to Janet Arnold's books", but that Jean had decided she didn't want to now > Janet was dead (though what Jean had to do with it he wasn't clear on), but > once Jean died he probably would print it (now that's the kind of publisher > you need - one who can't wait till you die!). > If what you say is true, his behavior is highly unprofessional. Aside from that, there's more I could say, but I'll be brief to avoid breaking my own rules. I worked in commercial publishing, for a number of book and magazine authors, for years before starting a small press, and hope I am familiar with the ethics of the business. All publishers and authors of the same type of material are, in a sense, in competition. However, that does not mean they have bad relationships with each other. Often they have excellent relationships. It is only mature to realize that there are other publishers in the market--and also that there are a lot of readers, many of whom will buy books by numerous authors and publishers. If you think another publisher or author has better books and/or marketing than you do, you take steps to improve your own work, rather than slamming theirs. If you are an author who sometimes publishes reviews of other authors' books, you are responsible for assessing and reporting the strengths and weaknesses of those books as honestly as possible--not just slamming them because they're by competitors or praising them because they're by friends. Editors may do a certain amount of complaining to their coworkers to let off steam at the end of the day, about authors who are difficult to work with and suchlike. Just like any other office in any other business. However, such comments are not made in public. They get around and hurt business. Do you want to work with a publisher, who, for example, is hoping their other authors will die? Understandably not. Anyway, I don't know anyone at Players Press. I have always thought they publish excellent books. All I can say is, I hope you're mistaken (though if they ever ask me to lunch I may not accept). Fran Grimble ---------------------------------------------- Visit our web sites! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Vintage and historic dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 13:39:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01305 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:39:43 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA25644; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA04754 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:45:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA04716 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:45:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from a2a01770.direct.bconnected.net ([209.53.2.42] helo=vamp) by edam.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10SmT3-0002KN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:45:29 -0800 Message-ID: <00ff01be7c70$f364bf40$0300a8c0@direct.ca> From: "Brandy Dickson" To: References: <37031560.CD47AC02@inreach.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Drygoods Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:53:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" So, do they have a phone # or an address I can snail mail to? Greenberg & Hammer _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 14:27:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01692 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:27:12 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA04653; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:37:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA12999 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA12976 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (209-142-3-173.stk.inreach.net [209.142.3.173]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id LAA04333 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:19:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703C8E2.D0903CD5@inreach.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:28:35 -0800 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <016a01be7c5c$074747e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H > -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > > Greenberg and Hammer > 24 W. 57th St. > NY, New York > 212-246-2835. > 72437,674@compuserve.com > steel and plastic boning. Their boning is the cheapest I've found > anywhere. > They also have a fax & toll-free number-- fax--212-765-8475 toll-free--800-955-5135 Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 15:12:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02016 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:12:26 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA11831; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA27288 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA27205 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15777 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 1 Apr 99 15:15:43 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 15:15:36 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Ain't worth shootin' X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, I was deeply disturbed by the statements made about Janet Arnold by the publisher quoted below. My wife and I had the great honor to know Janet, to have her stay with us a few years ago when she visited the states and to correspond and visit with her in England. I can say without hesitation that she was a great scholar, but more importantly, simply one of finest human beings we have ever known. There is no way that I can convey the deep humanity, grace, humor and, in her last years, courage which Janet brought to her life and with which she touched the lives of those who knew her. She was a person who should never have had an enemy in the world, and yet it seems that she did. Personally, I feel rather soiled to have heard these things. The honor and love in which she was held by both the theatrical and the scholarly world is well demonstrated by the special awards she received, and the exhibit in her honor. I hardly think it is likely that Janet ever did a dishonest or unethical thing in any museum - since all major museums throughout Europe and America hold her today in great honor and always made their collections available to her. As both a scholar and a human being, Janet has already risen far above such a pitiful attempt at slander. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _______________________________________________ - -Poster: cnevin@caci.co.uk At the London Book Trade Fair last weekend I had the great misfortune to meet and have a discussion with Jean Hunnisett's publisher, Bill from Player Press. They have put out a 1920s book of fashions and patterns with original photos and photos of the reproductions which is excellent, and which I still intend buying. From there I went on to discuss medieval pattern books with him. When I said Janet Arnold's death was a great pity, he said "Well, not really..." I foolishly thought he meant it was possibly a relief to end the pain of the cancer. But no - he proceeded to spend the next ten minutes libelling Janet Arnold by saying; - - her research was sloppy and inaccurate - - her measurements were off - - the Museums she did business with had disliked her because she used photos she didn't have permission to (in a JA book?!) and she stole things from them - - Hunnisett's books were more historically accurate - - He had been going to publish a book early this year of "corrections to Janet Arnold's books", but that Jean had decided she didn't want to now Janet was dead (though what Jean had to do with it he wasn't clear on), but once Jean died he probably would print it (now that's the kind of publisher you need - one who can't wait till you die!). _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 15:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02020 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:12:43 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA12152; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA23575 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA23562 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08495 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:02:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:02:02 -0500 (EST) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant In-Reply-To: <004001be7c57$c1285f00$6c1cbfa8@dsc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > This is interesting. A friend of mine e-mailed me a few months ago after I > mentioned Ms. Arnold's death in passing on an SCA newsgroup and mentioned > that she'd heard similar accusations (that museums didn't like her and that > there were errors in her drawings.) I, likewise, just said "Huh?" because > I'd never heard a peep from the historic costuming community that she was > anything other than extremely well-regarded. I'm sure some of these reports from museums, etc. reflect a matter of personality clashes. Being a great researcher and brilliant theorist is not inconsistent with having a strong personality. I did not know Ms. Arnold personally -- we corresponded once or twice, and I heard her lecture -- so I cannot guess how she dealt with others one-on-one, in other settings. Perhaps others on this list worked more closely with her. I do have one anecdote to share. I have a friend who is a librarian/archivist for a small private institution in England. Janet Arnold saw one of the portraits in this collection and decided it was a hitherto unidentified portrait of Queen Elizabeth. The portrait had always been identified as a particular noblewoman associated with the founding of the institution, and my friend had fairly strong documentation for that. (I saw his materials; a copy of her will, which listed jewelry consistent with what was shown in the portrait; a second and undisputed portrait of her that showed a definite facial resemblance to the disputed one; and inventories of the portrait in question from the early 1600s, naming the sitter -- presumably the writer of the inventories would have known E.R. by sight and wouldn't have confused her with the sitter. Taken by itself, the portrait does look a bit like the standard images of E.R., but didn't every woman of that time want to look like E.R.?) Anyway, my friend, who is very mild-mannered and bookish, wrote me to ask if I'd ever heard of the Arnold person, and did I know why she was insisting on writing him weekly to repeat her arguments? I replied that Arnold's reputation was as a stellar costume researcher, and that as far as I was concerned it was richly deserved, but I did not know personally how she dealt with people who disagreed with her findings or theories. I still don't know how it came out, or who was right. But I do know that my friend is not the argumentative sort by nature. He does know his work very well, and he is quite open to new and interesting scholarly interpretations if he sees merit in them. He did not see merit in this, and I know he considered seriously what she said. Sometimes good scholars simply disagree. Given that my friend has no reason to be familiar with Arnold's costume work, I can imagine what his impression he has of her as a scholar based on this one episode. I think it says a lot of him that he contacted me to get a second opinion from someone who does know costume. Perhaps there are others who were in a similar position who did not take that step, and who formed their opinions on the basis of encounters like this. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 15:35:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02189 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:35:50 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA15805; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA01477 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA01450 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:41:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3703C8E2.D0903CD5@inreach.com> References: <016a01be7c5c$074747e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:42:14 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Diana H > >> -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" >> >> Greenberg and Hammer >> 24 W. 57th St. >> NY, New York >> 212-246-2835. >> 72437,674@compuserve.com >> steel and plastic boning. Their boning is the cheapest I've found >> anywhere. >> > >They also have a fax & toll-free number-- >fax--212-765-8475 >toll-free--800-955-5135 > >Diana :~> > >-- I just called the 800 # to ask how much the catalog is. It's free so I requested one. They took my name and address, but they are currently out of the catalog. She guessed that I'd get one in about a month. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 15:37:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02207 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:37:40 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA12231; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:22:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA20841 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA20750 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from postoffice.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.103.79]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with ESMTP id <19990401195359.DLBC22634@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:53:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:48:41 -0800 From: Kevin and Carol X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Pellison question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin and Carol Hello list. I am searching for information/documentation on a garment called a pellison. My costume books do nothing more than mention it in passing as the forerunner of the 18th century Pellise. Is there anyone out there who can suggest where I might find more information? Thank you in advance for your help. Carol Brink _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 16:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02394 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:01:48 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA20264; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA06470 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA06450 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24456 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:08:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703E083.F3AEB7BE@serv.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:09:23 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ain't worth shootin' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Thank you so much for your words. Although I never met Janet Arnold, I too hold her in great esteem and am grateful for her careful work. It is heartening to know that her heart matched her talent. Huge. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 16:04:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02421 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:58 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA20772; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA07063 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:11:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA07044 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:11:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24479 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:11:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703E150.8FFE9D11@serv.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:12:49 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question References: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover There are a quick one or two mentions of the fur lined pelison in _Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince_ by Mary Stella Newton. It was listed in somewardrobe accountings. I warn you, it's not much. However, she is highly respected and I wouldn't feel as though I hadn't tried if she was the only documentation I found on it. :) Cynthia > I am searching for information/documentation on a garment called a > pellison. My costume books do nothing more than mention it in passing > as the forerunner of the 18th century Pellise. Is there anyone out > there who can suggest where I might find more information? > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > Carol Brink > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 16:13:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02470 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:13:01 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA22208; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA08582 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.softcom.net (mail.softcom.net [209.160.160.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA08558 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tc0101-01.promedia.net (unverified [209.160.170.48]) by mail.softcom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:20:03 -0800 Received: by tc0101-01.promedia.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BE7C41.CF455AE0@tc0101-01.promedia.net>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:16:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE7C41.CF455AE0@tc0101-01.promedia.net> From: Broneske To: "'h-costume'" Subject: H-COST: New Simplicity "Titanic" pattern Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:16:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id QAA02470 Status: O -Poster: Broneske Hi all, I was out at the fabric store today, browsing through the pattern books when I came across Simplicity pattern #8640 -- almost exact replica of the Titanic blue "Flying Dress". It says "Retro Simplicity" on the front. Of course, I picked it up to add to the pile of projects that I have in mind but haven't completed. Joan Broneske (Yes, I still have to finish my "jump dress" and update my web page on it) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 16:36:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02623 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:36:29 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA27084; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA12753 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA12707 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:43:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09656 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <03ca01be7c88$96273160$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: New Simplicity "Titanic" pattern Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:42:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I have used this pattern (very recently ,of course). It's a nice pattern... just beware... it runs a bit small... ;-) Sarah I was out at the fabric store today, browsing through the pattern books when I came across Simplicity pattern #8640 -- almost exact replica of the Titanic blue "Flying Dress". It says "Retro Simplicity" on the front. Of course, I picked it up to add to the pile of projects that I have in mind but haven't completed. Joan Broneske (Yes, I still have to finish my "jump dress" and update my web page on it) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 17:33:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02967 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:33:51 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA06554; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA23291 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:37:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mw3.texas.net (mw3.texas.net [206.127.30.13]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA23260 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:37:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from texas.net (mnet06-68.austin.texas.net [207.207.3.236]) by mw3.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with ESMTP id QAA02867 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:37:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3703F56D.D39277C2@texas.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:38:37 -0600 From: Christina X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question References: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3703E150.8FFE9D11@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Christina > There are a quick one or two mentions of the fur lined pelison in _Fashion > in the Age of the Black Prince_ by Mary Stella Newton. I thought that it was spelled pelicon (with the funky french c)? I know I've seen mention of it somewhere else, but I may have to go digging. -Christina _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 17:40:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03026 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA08255; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA25023 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA24999 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24847 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:45:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703F755.94AC730D@serv.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:46:46 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question References: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3703E150.8FFE9D11@serv.net> <3703F56D.D39277C2@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Just remember that medieval spelling was not like it is today. Different people spelled the same word quite differently, from what I understand, it just wasn't that important to them. Can you spell phonics? *G* It seems that that is what they used. Pelison, pelicon, pellison. Same thing. And you'll probably find period sources for all three different spellings. And not only that but sometimes the same thing had 3-6 different words all meaning the same garment, such as kirtle, cotehardie, supertunic, supertunice, etc.... it gets confusing but I assure you, it's all accurate and all period. Cynthia > >> There are a quick one or two mentions of the fur lined pelison in _Fashion > >I thought that it was spelled pelicon Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 18:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03193 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:03:24 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA11454; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:14:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA29309 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:09:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA29295 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.202.189.122] (ppp-11.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.11]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29624 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:09:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:09:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3703F56D.D39277C2@texas.net> References: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3703E150.8FFE9D11@serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@grin.net Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lilinah@grin.net Christina wrote: > >I thought that it was spelled pelicon (with the funky french c)? I know I've >seen mention of it somewhere else, but I may have to go digging. Just in case inquiring minds want to know, that funky thingy below the "c" is called a cedilla. It means the "c" has a soft "s" sound when followed by an "a", an "o", or a "u"; without the cedilla, the "c" would have a hard "k" sound when followed by an "a", an "o", or a "u" - in French. A "c" before an "e" or an "i" always has a soft "s" sound in French. Lilinah La plume de ma tante est... wherever she wants it :-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 18:22:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03300 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:22:53 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA14935; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:34:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA03207 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA03194 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p23.directcon.net [206.170.184.72]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24628 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904012319.PAA24628@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >Probably what happened is that he has heard some of the normal >grouching that people in a close knit community do when they think >it will go no further. I'm sure you know the kind of things like that >(as they sometimes even appear on this list at times) such as "I wish >she had made a better color choice there. It's not a very period >color." Or "She missed that source on nitpickydetail#1 when she >wrote that." Or "Hey, I can do better than that. Look at that >pickydetail#2 on that collar!" I've long said that costuming is the bitchiest of the arts, although my opinion on that has changed considerably in the years I've been on this list, where we usually manage to behave like ladies and gentlemen. How sad to hear that nastiness about another costume person can extend to slandering the dead. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 18:58:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03514 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:58:10 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA19953; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA08944 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:04:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2smtp.kentlaw.edu (c2smtp.kentlaw.edu [192.148.222.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA08934 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:04:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-SMF-Message-ID: A8B4033701AA3400 X-SMF-Hop-Count: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:02:00 -0600 From: KATHARINE WHISLER To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00102459 Subject: H-COST: Juan de Alcega Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.50 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER I apologize if this is a repeat posting-- I think the first time I tried to send it it didn't work. Marsha McLean mentioned "Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca" by Juan de Alcega (Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589) as being a useful book and suggested that people look for it in facsimile at a large library or through interlibrary loan. I recently found out some great news about this book-- the publisher of the 1979 translation & facsimile, Ruth Bean in the U.K., finally reissued it this February! I understand that the first shipment will reach U.S. shores sometime early this month. It is $40 (U.S.), or L25 (U.K.), in paperback. To order directly from the U.S. distributor, contact: Quite Specific Media Group, Ltd. Attn: Ralph Pine 260 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10001 email: rpine@quitespecificmedia.com To order directly from the U.K. distributor, contact: Ruth Bean Publishers Attn: Nigel Bean Victoria Farmhouse Carlton Bedford MK43 7LP England email: rubean@kbnet.co.uk I hope this helps! (Note, Quite Specific Media Group is the same outfit that publishes "Patterns of Fashion.) Mr. Bean told me by e-mail that his company is planning a new book to be called the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant." It will be interesting to see if it is any better than Hunnisett's book. --Katharine Whisler _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 19:15:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03648 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:15:07 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA22657; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA11573 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA11550 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.63.113.134] (209-63-113-134.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.134]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28085 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:21:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904020021.QAA28085@repop1.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:22:18 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I think all this talk about Janet Arnold is really disgusting and frankly it is just sour grapes. Some people have to make themselves bigger by putting other people down. Janet Arnold has been a leading light in our industry for many years now. Her death is a great tragedy for all of us whether we realize it or not. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: Margo Anderson >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant >Date: Thu, Apr 1, 1999, 3:19 PM > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > > >>Probably what happened is that he has heard some of the normal >>grouching that people in a close knit community do when they think >>it will go no further. I'm sure you know the kind of things like that >>(as they sometimes even appear on this list at times) such as "I wish >>she had made a better color choice there. It's not a very period >>color." Or "She missed that source on nitpickydetail#1 when she >>wrote that." Or "Hey, I can do better than that. Look at that >>pickydetail#2 on that collar!" > > >I've long said that costuming is the bitchiest of the arts, although my >opinion on that has changed considerably in the years I've been on this >list, where we usually manage to behave like ladies and gentlemen. How sad >to hear that nastiness about another costume person can extend to slandering >the dead. > >Margo Anderson > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 20:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04104 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:34:28 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA05040; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA22977 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA22963 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:41:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mamabear from [207.136.51.79] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.394) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 1 Apr 99 19:41:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003c01be7ca8$128e05c0$65c1ced0@mamabear> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:27:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Ok, I can't take it anymore.......(yes, I truly believe that Janet Arnold was a costuming goddess) but you are all taking third party information as fact. Please, bear in mind that you were not present at said conversation and therefor do not truly know its context. No on....I repeat....no one can truly know the whole story. So it is my suggestion that we move on from this topic to a new one that is not blaming someone for something with which they can not defend themselves. Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: R.L. Shep To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant > >-Poster: "R.L. Shep" > >I think all this talk about Janet Arnold is really disgusting and frankly it >is just sour grapes. Some people have to make themselves bigger by putting >other people down. >Janet Arnold has been a leading light in our industry for many years now. >Her death is a great tragedy for all of us whether we realize it or not. >~!~ R.L.Shep >http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks > >---------- >>From: Margo Anderson >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: Re: H-COST: LONG - historical publisher Rant >>Date: Thu, Apr 1, 1999, 3:19 PM >> > >> >>-Poster: Margo Anderson >> >> >>>Probably what happened is that he has heard some of the normal >>>grouching that people in a close knit community do when they think >>>it will go no further. I'm sure you know the kind of things like that >>>(as they sometimes even appear on this list at times) such as "I wish >>>she had made a better color choice there. It's not a very period >>>color." Or "She missed that source on nitpickydetail#1 when she >>>wrote that." Or "Hey, I can do better than that. Look at that >>>pickydetail#2 on that collar!" >> >> >>I've long said that costuming is the bitchiest of the arts, although my >>opinion on that has changed considerably in the years I've been on this >>list, where we usually manage to behave like ladies and gentlemen. How sad >>to hear that nastiness about another costume person can extend to >slandering >>the dead. >> >>Margo Anderson >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 22:59:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05050 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:59:31 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA22341; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA08949 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA08909 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:06:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id OAA09927; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:06:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-104.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.104]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id OAA19974; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:11:36 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199904020411.OAA19974@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: , Subject: H-COST: Regency event (Australia) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:56:16 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" On Saturday, June 5, 1999 the Australian Costumers' Guild is hosting A Regency Ball The evening's entertainment will include a four course meal, a group of fine musicians, dances including the quadrille and all the latest fashionable dances from London (including simple instructions), a dance caller, and a whist and games room for those disinclined to dance. An attempt at Regency costume (1811-1820, give or take a few years) is compulsory; for advice, contact Miss Purcell on +3 9504 3042. Northcote Assembly Rooms (Northcote Town Hall) High Street, Northcote, Vic. 7:00pm-midnight BYO alcohol, please indicate if you require a special meal Cost: 22 guineas (A$55 per person (tables of eight, A$400) Please make cheques/money orders payable to The Australian Costumers' Guild Bookings close Friday, 28 May. For more information, contact The Australian Costumers' Guild, PO Box 322, Bentleigh, 3204 Australia Tel. +3 9504 3042 E-mail stilskin@netspace.net.au _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 23:00:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05062 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:00:49 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA22378; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:12:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA08968 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA08926; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id OAA09951; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:06:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-104.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.104]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id OAA20020; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:11:45 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199904020411.OAA20020@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: , , Subject: H-COST: 4th Annual Costumers Ball (Australia) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:03:28 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" The Australian Costumers' Guild is pleased to announce its Fourth Annual Costumers' Ball, Saturday, 28 August, 1999 Melbourne Convention & Exhibition Centre Highlights of the ball include: A costume parade/masquerade (the parade will be run early so that entrants do not miss out on the rest of the evening's events); Full silver service meal; Displays of important costumes and fashion; Dancing; Fun; Etc. Cost is A$55 for International Costumers' Guild members, $65 for others (no door sales, bookings close Monday, 23 August). Doors open 6:30pm; costume parade/masquerade 7:30 (greenroom open from 4:00pm). Parade entry free to all attending - you must be a guild member to enter; numbers are limited so get in early; entry is by pre-registration only; for rules and regs, contact the parade director, Christopher Ballis on... Tel: +3 9457 4061 E-mail: stilskin@netspace.net.au Snailmail: PO Box 322, Bentleigh, 3204, Australia For more information on the ball, if you wish to volunteer, or any other stuff, contact the Australian Costumers' Guild on... the addresses or telephone number above! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 23:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05166 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:14:12 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA24028; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA10506 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA10492 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:21:03 -0700 (MST) From: Tigershado@aol.com Received: from Tigershado@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id 6BCSa25743 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:18:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8ffa8fec.24359f32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:18:58 EST Subject: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Tigershado@aol.com I seem to remember a message not to long ago about an alternative to grommets/eyelets for lacing. Something about the lacing going through pieces attached to the clothing rather through holes. My memories a little fuzzy on this one. I came across: http://members.aol.com/DrgnflyDsn/Accessories.html and thought I'd get an opinion or two on their eyes & clasps. Barbara Corley Tigershado@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 1 23:30:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05264 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:30:01 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA25927; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:43:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA12488 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:37:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA12476 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-101.intrepid.net [206.102.68.101]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28410 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:37:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990401234915.009e5c50@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:49:15 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: H-COST: hats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto List! I am carrying a line of miniature hat and bonnets. each one has been reproduced from fashion plates of the period. They come with the hat, a hat stand, a hat box(that has the fashion plate picture on it) a catalog with the history, a document of authenticity and numbered certificate of the limited addition. They are really magnificent! They are now also making shoes, but I don't have pictures of those yet. They are designed and made in Ireland. Check them out at my web site under Millinery in Miniature. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 03:12:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11886 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 03:12:20 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA18628; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA28180 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:19:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.inreach.com (pager.inreach.com [209.142.0.209]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA28174 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (209-142-33-200.stk.inreach.net [209.142.33.200]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id AAA11368 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:07:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37047CCB.652E2CD1@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:16:11 -0800 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <8ffa8fec.24359f32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H Tigershado@aol.com wrote: > -Poster: Tigershado@aol.com > > I seem to remember a message not to long ago about an alternative to > grommets/eyelets for lacing. Something about the lacing going through > pieces > attached to the clothing rather through holes. My memories a little > fuzzy on > this one. I came across: > http://members.aol.com/DrgnflyDsn/Accessories.html > and thought I'd get an opinion or two on their eyes & clasps. The findings on the left are perfect for doing circa 1470-1500 Italian! The price isn't all that bad, either. I think I paid just a little less for the ones I bought two years ago. So if you want to do this period in Italians, they would be great to hold the lace for the bodice. Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 07:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13313 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:46:38 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA28862; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA16938 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA16913 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17622 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:51:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-147.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.147]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00704 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:51:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904021251.OAA00704@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Ghita? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:48:59 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi you all, Cynthia wrote: > In _Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince_ M.S. Newton mentions > "ghita's" as a garment worn by women. I can't find a description of a > ghita, or haven't yet. It seems to be something like the > supertunica, worn as the outer gown over an undertunic. > Any ideas? In my opinion this is a sleeveless garment of the 1340's mainly worn by royalty or nobility for ceremonial occasions (tournaments, weddings, crownings and other state-occasions). It is heavily embroidered, even powdered with little enameled plates, pearls and gold thread. It is (or they are) lined with fur. It could be that the name has something to do with it's function or the way it was embroidered. You can see similar ones in the Luttrell Psalter worn by the wife and daughter of sir Geoffrey, embroidered with their coats of arms. I personally think that there is not much difference with the also mentioned corset(te), although these seem to have had fastenings of buttons or points and were worn by men and women (a kind of cyclas?) in different lenghts and not so heavily embroidered or not at all. Hope this helps, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 09:59:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14194 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:59:05 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA11304; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA28771 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA28764 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:04:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from bino (1Cust53.tnt8.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.147.53]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA07918 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701be7d19$a6e60760$3593fed0@bino> From: "Van Cleave & Fleming" To: Subject: H-COST: follow up to AlterYears complaint Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Van Cleave & Fleming" I wanted to let you all know that I called AlterYears on Tuesday to follow up on my three unanswered emails. The person I spoke with was very polite. The problem with my order was the number of backorders/time it took to ship (the person I spoke with said that not all pattern publishers were in stock and ready to ship at all times, which provides evidence that perhaps they are not trying to keep all patterns in stock), that there was one item marked on my invoice as being shipped that I had never received, and that there was still a backordered item (5 months after placing the order). I received the missing pattern yesterday by priority mail with a note that I would be receiving a refund check for the still backordered item (I had asked to cancel it). So I'm quite satisfied with how this has all resolved itself (although still unsatisfied with the time it took to ship and their ignoring of my three emails). When I spoke with the salesperson I let her know that there had recently been some complaints about their shipping time on h-costume and recommended that they put a BIG note in their pattern catalog which states that they do not stock all items and there may be long delays in shipping. There is a note right now which says something to the effect that items may be backordered and take longer than 30 days to ship. So my problem is resolved, although I have to say that I will stick to ordering from Amazon Drygoods or direct from the publisher if at all possible from now on. Kendra Van Cleave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 10:02:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14220 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:02:26 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA11572; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:14:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA29125 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:07:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from bsumail.idbsu.edu (bsumail.idbsu.edu [132.178.16.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA29114 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:07:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.51.3]) by bsumail.idbsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21132 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:10:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199904021510.IAA21132@bsumail.idbsu.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 2 Apr 99 08:07:37 GMT+7 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 2 Apr 99 08:07:20 GMT+7 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:07:10 MST Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8ffa8fec.24359f32@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > . . . an alternative to > grommets/eyelets for lacing. Something about the lacing going through pieces > attached to the clothing rather through holes . . . >came across: >http://members.aol.com/DrgnflyDsn/Accessories.html Great web page find. Have you done business with them? Are they good to work with? I remember seeing something very similar to these in Italian Ren, late 15th century. Can't remember the exact picture, but can look it up at home (I'm at work). In Leonardo da Vinci's Portrait of Ginevra Benci (1474-1476), you see little metal circlets used for the lacing. You can find that portrait on the Web Gallery of Art. The search engine for that site is: http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/search.html (I'd give you an exact address for the portrait, but Netscape brings up a separate window for the enlarged picture [an image viewer?] and I can't find an address) Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 10:36:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14397 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:36:35 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA14875; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA03937 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA03907 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:41:18 -0700 (MST) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id 6WXPa06219 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62a2955d.2436424b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:54:51 EST Subject: H-COST: Janet Arnold (was Ain't worth shootin') To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com I have always been impressed with Janet Arnold's published work and would like her legacy to be continued in the community of costume scholars. The original postings after her death suggested a medical research fund, but I was sure that the Costume Society of Britain or America would want to honor her. Has anyone set up a scholarship fund or other award in her name to which we can contribute? Does anyone have further information about the exhibit in Janet Arnold's honor? I believe it is at the V&A? Is there a catalog that we can order from the USA? Joan in Minneapolis from Digest 254 <<- -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, I was deeply disturbed by the statements made about Janet Arnold by the publisher quoted below. My wife and I had the great honor to know Janet, to have her stay with us a few years ago when she visited the states and to correspond and visit with her in England. I can say without hesitation that she was a great scholar, but more importantly, simply one of finest human beings we have ever known. There is no way that I can convey the deep humanity, grace, humor and, in her last years, courage which Janet brought to her life and with which she touched the lives of those who knew her. She was a person who should never have had an enemy in the world, and yet it seems that she did. Personally, I feel rather soiled to have heard these things. The honor and love in which she was held by both the theatrical and the scholarly world is well demonstrated by the special awards she received, and the exhibit in her honor. I hardly think it is likely that Janet ever did a dishonest or unethical thing in any museum - since all major museums throughout Europe and America hold her today in great honor and always made their collections available to her. As both a scholar and a human being, Janet has already risen far above such a pitiful attempt at slander. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us>> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 11:36:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14830 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:36:44 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA23765; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA14895 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA14860 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26818 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:41:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3704F359.7DA77D5B@serv.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:42:02 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ghita? References: <199904021251.OAA00704@worldonline.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > In my opinion this is a sleeveless garment of the 1340's mainly worn by > royalty or nobility for ceremonial occasions (tournaments, weddings, > crownings and other state-occasions). It is > heavily embroidered, even powdered with little enameled plates, pearls and > gold thread. It is (or they are) lined with fur. Yes, that is it. Excellent. Thanks. Trying to figure out how to make all those little plates. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 11:46:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14889 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:46:14 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA25505; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16678 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA16646 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:50:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p10.directcon.net [206.170.184.59]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03455 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904021640.IAA03455@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Janet Arnold (was Ain't worth shootin') Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:54 AM 4/2/99 EST, you wrote: > >-Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com > >I have always been impressed with Janet Arnold's published work and would >like >her legacy to be continued in the community of costume scholars. This reminds me of something I've been pondering for some time. Would it be possible to set up some kind of memorial funding to support costuming on the Net? I'm not sure what, perhaps giving small grants to sponsor Web pages or research to be published on the Web? I'm sure some members of this list would like to memorialize Miss Arnold this way. In addition, while I hope H-Costume goes on forever, I know the individual members won't. There will come a time when, like any community, we lose members to death. This would also give us a way to make contributions in our member's memory. While I have WAY too much going on right now, I would be willing to look into possibilities down the line. Also, my mother is an attorney specializing in wills and trusts, so I could probably get any legal workings taken care of inexpensively. Is anyone interested in this idea? Any suggestions? Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 13:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15612 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:47:58 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA15493; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA16035 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA16020 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p10.directcon.net [206.170.184.59]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20373 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904021845.KAA20373@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Fabric question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson I got my tax return yesterday, and OF COURSE I bought fabric. I bought 8 yards of cotton calico, printed with a 1 1/2" Paisley motif in greys and taupes. I'm thinking of making this into an 1850's wrapper dress, suitable for work. Is the paisley appropriate, or would it have been used for a more formal dress? I could use it to make a simple street dress, if it's not appropriate for work wear. I really want my wrapper dress to be very accurate and appropriate for an immigrant woman. One of my personal costuming foibles is that no matter how simple I start out, the costume always ends up being on the upper end of the scale as to dressiness and ornamentation. I'm already stretching it a bit by planning to use cotton instead of wool, for budgetary reasons, and I'd rather not make any more concessions. So, should I use it for the wrapper, or for something else? Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 16:03:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16383 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA05957; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA09049 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA09032 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by vail with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:10:22 -0800 Message-ID: <50107DFA67E5D211BC6D00A0C9AA050201196E@vail> From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Costuming Guilds Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:10:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE7D4D.37540420" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE7D4D.37540420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for a costuming guild for my mom, who lives in Cameron Park (between Sacramento and Placerville). I went on the ICG web site, but didn't see anything for her area. Can anyone tell me if there is a guild local to my mom, or should she just join the GBACG? Thanks, -Jill ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE7D4D.37540420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Costuming Guilds

I'm looking for a costuming guild for = my mom, who lives in Cameron Park (between Sacramento and = Placerville).  I went on the ICG web site, but didn't see anything = for her area.

Can anyone tell me if there is a guild = local to my mom, or should she just join the GBACG?

Thanks,
-Jill

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Sieber" Subject: H-COST: Hat ID To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" I am trying to identify a man's hat from the late 18th century. This is a time period I know nothing about, so I will try to describe it. It is similar to a top hat but the crown narrows at the top and the brim is a little wider. I have seen this hat on depictions of lepruchans! (I have been watching too much "Scarlet Pimpernel" and "Horatio Hornblower.) Kristen M. Sieber _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 20:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17945 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:46:16 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA14446; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:59:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA21973 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA21958 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r3p4.directcon.net [206.170.184.103]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11676 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:41:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:41:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904030141.RAA11676@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming Guilds Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 01:10 PM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm looking for a costuming guild for my mom, who lives in Cameron Park >(between Sacramento and Placerville). I went on the ICG web site, but >didn't see anything for her area. > >Can anyone tell me if there is a guild local to my mom, or should she just >join the GBACG? > Hi Jill, I spoke to your mom a few weeks ago. As I told her, there isn't a guild currently but I am hoping to start one very soon. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 22:59:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18648 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:59:37 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA28506; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA04959 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA04954 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:05:45 -0700 (MST) From: MorellEtc2@aol.com Received: from MorellEtc2@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6PSAa28557 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:05:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:05:12 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Hat ID To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MorellEtc2@aol.com The style of hat you are trying to identify is generally refered to as a sugar loaf hat or having a sugar loaf crown. If memory serves it first appeared in fashionable circles in England in the last quarter of the 18th century and survived in one form or another into the later part of the 19th century. There are several portraits of regular army officers wearing them for undress during the War of 1812. Mike Morell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 2 23:08:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18703 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:08:04 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA29385; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA05802 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA05793 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from s0peladn (207-172-79-221.s221.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.221]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA27493 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:15:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:15:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904030415.XAA27493@smtp4.erols.com> X-Sender: penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Penny E. Ladnier" Subject: Re: H-COST: Up&coming books Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny E. Ladnier" Liz was my costume history and design professor in college. I saw both her books in the making. The work they placed into creating their books is unbelievable. They did a wonderful job of creating scaled/graphed patterns with renderings of each garment. They went to many museums making patterns from original garments. Later...Penny >The 1920s book I spoke about is apparently getting more photos, but won't be >printed until the current edition has all sold. I'm pretty sure this is it >below; > >Women's Wear of the 1920's >by Ruth Countryman > , Elizabeth >Weiss Hopper > >Our Price: $57.00 Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier The Costume Gallery Website http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 01:31:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20397 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:31:28 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA12063; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA17069 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.inreach.com (pager.inreach.com [209.142.0.209]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA17062 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (209-142-12-82.stk.inreach.net [209.142.12.82]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id WAA09355 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:23:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3705B5ED.81286385@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:32:13 -0800 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming Guilds X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199904030141.RAA11676@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H Margo Anderson wrote: > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > At 01:10 PM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I'm looking for a costuming guild for my mom, who lives in Cameron > Park > >(between Sacramento and Placerville). I went on the ICG web site, > but > >didn't see anything for her area. > there isn't a > guild currently but I am hoping to start one very soon. > > Margo Anderson Dear Margo, I live in a suburb of Sacramento and would love to be involved in a costuming guild also! Would you mind including me in your list when you get things started? Mucho thanks! Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 01:57:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20539 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:57:32 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA14091; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:13:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA18848 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA18843 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.184] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10TKUI-0004mc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:05:03 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:06:02 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming Guilds -- Sacramento & vicinity In-Reply-To: <3705B5ED.81286385@inreach.com> References: <199904030141.RAA11676@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I haven't heard of any particular costuming guilds. Perhaps it is time for those in the area who frequent this list to change that. :-) Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 04:25:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25872 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:25:43 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA21758; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA25923 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA25906; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:33:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:33:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904030933.CAA25906@indra.com> From: Balaram@ix.netcom.com To: f-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: film/costume/Rob Roy Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Balaram@ix.netcom.com Dear Friends: Am a little behind on my E's--Whoever was looking to buy something great for an event, may want to check-out Reelclothes.com, a business in Southern Calif. that resells wardrobe from Hollywood productions. Anything you buy worn by a major star will be pricey-however, background character items may be picked up quite reasonably. I was able to find 2 kilts from Rob Roy for $50 each, one of them worn by Rob's brother played by Brian McCardie, also the very cool leather jacket worn by Eric Stoltz in the final scenes before his demise. They also are selling some wardrobe from What Dreams May Come, inc the Tracker entire outfit... ok, I know, it's more fun to make your own costumes, this is cheating...but it is a very fun site to explore. No, no business connection with me, just thought I'd pass a great resource along. I delt with Lennard and the service was good also. As for Simbad movies--anyone on the list old enough to remember The 7th Voyage of Simbad ? My first fantasy movie as a kid--must have imprinted deeply. All the Best, Bill Z. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 04:34:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25919 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:34:23 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA22188; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26417 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26395; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:40:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:40:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904030940.CAA26395@indra.com> From: "Fern Whitaker" To: , Subject: H-COST: My Fair Lady Hat Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Fern Whitaker" Sorry for the cross-post, but does anyone have any idea where I could = get a frame or hat like the one Audrey Hepburn wears in the Ascot scene = of MFL? It's the BIG white one with the black accents. I can make one = myself out of buckram and so on, but if I could find something close, = I'd rather go that route, since I'm running in 9 different directions as = it is, trying to move the shop.=20 Kat Hargus _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 04:38:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25943 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:38:31 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA22068; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:47:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26316 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26305; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:39:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:39:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904030939.CAA26305@indra.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/l/leonardo/painting/portrait/ginevra.jpg Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 04:45:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25980 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:45:24 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA22544; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26831 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26823; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:51:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:51:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904030951.CAA26823@indra.com> From: KATHARINE WHISLER To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Juan de Alcega Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER Marsha McLean mentioned "Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca" by Juan de Alcega (Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589) as being a useful book and suggested that people look for it in facsimile at a large library or through interlibrary loan. The book is a 16th century Spanish guide for tailors showing efficient fabric cutting layouts for various fabric widths. It doesn't explain how to make the clothes, but it does show the shapes of the pattern pieces. I recently found out some great news about this book-- the publisher of the 1979 translation & facsimile, Ruth Bean in the U.K., finally reissued it this February! I understand that the first shipment will reach U.S. shores sometime early this month. It is $40 (U.S.), or L25 (U.K.), in paperback. To order directly from the U.S. distributor, contact: Quite Specific Media Group, Ltd. Attn: Ralph Pine 260 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10001 email: rpine@quitespecificmedia.com To order directly from the U.K. publisher, contact: Ruth Bean Publishers Attn: Nigel Bean Victoria Farmhouse Carlton Bedford MK43 7LP England email: rubean@kbnet.co.uk If you prefer to wait for your local bookstore to order it, the ISBN is: 0903585316 I hope this helps! (Note, Quite Specific Media Group is the same outfit that publishes Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" series.) Mr. Bean told me by e-mail that his company is planning a new book to be called the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant." It will be interesting to see if it is any better than Hunnisett's book. --Katharine Whisler _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 05:21:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26166 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:21:43 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA23956; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:32:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA10870 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA10843; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:23:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:23:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904031023.DAA10843@indra.com> From: Jessica Kiley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Seeking Folkwear Pattern 508 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jessica Kiley Hello. I am seeking a copy of Folkwear pattern 508, 1915 traveling suit, to purchase. If anyone has a copy of this pattern that they would be willing to sell, please e-mail me with your price and other information. Thanks. Jessica Kiley jkiley@up.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 05:23:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26180 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:23:36 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA24094; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA15117 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:26:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA14912; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:26:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:26:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199904031026.DAA14912@indra.com> From: MzScahlett@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com, sca-east@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Elizabethn Collar Search Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com I've been referred to the SCA, where I am told there are merchants who specialize in constructing both collars and the pieces that make them up. Rather than subscribe to an SCA list for a single request, perhaps one of you who is already involved in the SCA would be kind enough to forward my request on to the list. To reiterate: I'm looking for a source for the pieces to make up, or the made-up collars themselves. They are the large pieces of jewelry worn by men over their clothing, of varying stations during the late 16th Century and into the 17th. I do not need a particular "garter" - just a nice piece of faux men's jewelry. angil e:mail "MzScahlett@aol.com" Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" Albert Einstein _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 10:25:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27744 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:25:39 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA09373; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA24333 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA24314 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:31:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30512 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:31:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kdp@tiac.net) Received: from kdp.tiac.net (kdp.tiac.net [206.119.75.41]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25981 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:35:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904031535.KAA25981@mail-out-1.tiac.net> From: "John Page" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:43:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "John Page" Alcega should be available from: Quite Specific Media Group, Ltd. Attn: Ralph Pine 260 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10001 email: rpine@quitespecificmedia.com starting in the next week or two. They don't have the book in stock yet. ---------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 12:21:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28379 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:21:51 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26914; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04084 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04076 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from default - 208.253.11.207 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:28:46 -0800 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be7df8$472ac7e0$cf0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199904030939.CAA26305@indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" These are tiny brass lacing rings sewn on the surface edges of the front closure of the garment. They can also be sewn on the inside and the edges laced lightly closed for a hidden closure. I believe grommets showed up in clothing starting in the 19th century. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Franchesca Havas Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 4:39 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/l/leonardo/painting/portrait/g inevra.jpg Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 12:30:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28429 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:30:01 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA28439; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:47:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04720 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04714 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:37:39 -0700 (MST) From: CONNECT@aol.com Received: from CONNECT@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6UQIa24473 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:35:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:35:31 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: CONNECT@aol.com In a message dated 4/3/99 10:31:43 AM, kdp@tiac.net writes: << Alcega should be available from: Quite Specific Media Group, Ltd. Attn: Ralph Pine 260 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10001 email: rpine@quitespecificmedia.com starting in the next week or two. They don't have the book in stock yet. >> Could someone be so kind as to post the ISBN number for me. Thank you very much. Yours, Pattie Rayl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 12:38:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28473 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA28648; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04841 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from hummer.tci.net (hummer.tci.net [209.19.4.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04826 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303-a (c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.4.53.172]) by hummer.tci.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 2CZ5Q8SK; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:38:09 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01be7df8$ee0ad000$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: , "sca-garb" , "Scriptoris" , Subject: H-COST: Fw: [atyc] ATYC A&S (please forward to other lists) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:37:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Fopdejour1@aol.com To: atyc Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: [atyc] ATYC A&S (please forward to other lists) :PLEASE FORWARD TO OTHER LISTS!!!!!!! : :Announcing the Ansteorran 20th Year Celebration Arts and Sciences :Competitions! : :There are to be two separate competitions at Ansteorra's Twentieth Year :Celebration, Twentieth Year Artisan, and Twentieth Year Laurel. Included in :the Twentieth Year Artisan competition are several sub-competitions sponsored :by different individuals. : :1. The 20th year Artisan......single Item entry (w/ documentation of :course!!!) : :sub-competitions: : : •A. A subtlety competition....documentation not required but :recommended. : : •B. A glass arts competition will be sponsored by Mistress Teleri :ferch Pawl. : Entries may fall into one of three categories: : •Hot/warm glass (including flameworked, blown, and fused :glass, as well as true glass enamels), : •cold glass (such as stained, etched, and engraved glass), : •and glass research papers. Original works using :well-documented period styles and technologies will be most :favored. : Contact Mistress Teleri at esmitman@ghg.net for more information. : : •C. There will be a competition for the best Greek, Roman, or :Byzantine entry sponsored by Mistress Xene. : :2. 20th Year Laurels' Tourney. The Laurels will be the ones competing, and :the populace will get the chance to judge the Laurels. : :The suggested requirements to enter: : : •along with the entered item, : •they can display an early (pre- Laurel) piece. : : : :The sub-competitions are a part of the 20th Year Artisan competition. :Artisans wishing to participate in any of the sub-competitions need to :specify that they are wishing to do so at sign in. : :Set up for the 20th year artisan and the 20th year Laurel competition will :begin at 8 am Friday. They all will run simultaneously on Friday until 5ish. : :There will be a light luncheon provided by the Barony of Bordermarch for :those Laurels who will donate their time to judge the A&S competition. : :If there are any groups wishing to donate a prize, or an individual wishing :to sponsor a competition see the information below for a contact. : :For more information please contact: :Ld. Charles Pierre de Bourbon :Charles Burke 409-721-5133 :fopdejour1@aol.com :Deputy Kingdom MoAS ~ ATYC : :(please visit the 20th year website at http://www.ansteorra.org/20thyr/) : :REMEMBER TO PRE-REGISTER FOR ATYC!!!!!!!!!! : :Twenty years of blood, sweat, tears, fun, family, and friends. Here's to Twenty more! : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 13:07:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28623 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:07:30 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA02636; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA08261 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:14:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA08249 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:14:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TUwU-0007UQ-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:14:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:13:20 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question In-Reply-To: <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <3703CD99.FA34376E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, Kevin and Carol writes > >-Poster: Kevin and Carol > >Hello list. > >I am searching for information/documentation on a garment called a >pellison. My costume books do nothing more than mention it in passing >as the forerunner of the 18th century Pellise. Is there anyone out >there who can suggest where I might find more information? > >Thank you in advance for your help. > >Carol Brink Francois Boucher describes a pelicon as an "undergarment, without sleeves, made of animal skin sewn between two pieces of cloth". He later says that this, and various other undergarments, evolve into the 15th century pourpoint (if it's not your period, a pourpoint is like a tight waistcoat, worn over the shirt and under the doublet, which hose tie onto). The last mention of the pelicon is 14th century, and the first mention of the pelisse is 1781, so I'm a bit surprised if it was a direct development! I think a pelisse is usually fur lined? so maybe that's the link? Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 15:39:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29443 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:39:48 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA15455; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA22427 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA22413 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:46:51 -0700 (MST) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.12.11] (hrfr-sh9-port11.snet.net [204.60.12.11]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id PAA24425 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:46:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904032046.PAA24425@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:46:31 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Re: velvet To: indra.com@snet.net In-Reply-To: <199904032015.NAA19803@indra.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net Greetings everyone! I just subscribed to the list, and I have a few garb questions. I wonder if someone could help? 1. As an Anglo - Norman 12th Century persona (i.e. high Saxon) how could I possibly get away with wearing velvet? I love velvet and would dearly love to justify wearing it and still be true to my persona. Do I have to move forward a little in period to do this legitimately, or should I encorporate some Norman somewhere in my background in order to justify my wearing it? 2. I understand wool and linen are the "stock in trade" garb fabrics for Saxons. This seems it would be a bit hot for summer (and Pennsic)? How does one adapt to cope with the heat? Linen and linen? Only wearing one layer? (walking around in just one's chemise seems a bit wrong somehow...?) I want to stay with the Saxon persona if I can, but I guess I could go to a second cooler dressed persona if I have to... Is pink an acceptable colour for a 12th Century Saxon lady? I saw some beautiful pink linen at the fabric store this week, and as I'm very pale, pink suits me well. Just wondering... Elysant P.S. I'm so excited to finally get onto this list! :-) I've been trying to find you for months now! :-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 16:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29653 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:20:17 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA18295; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA25870 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA25849 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:25:14 -0700 (MST) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6DTJa15989 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:24:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:24:40 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com In a message dated 4/1/99 10:21:56 PM Central Standard Time, Tigershado@aol.com writes: > I seem to remember a message not to long ago about an alternative to > grommets/eyelets for lacing. Something about the lacing going through pieces > > attached to the clothing rather through holes. Norsk Engros USA, Inc. has a great variety of Norwegian pewter lacing eyelets and clasps. Their US/Canadian toll free number is 1-800-553-0014 and their fax is 1-800-667-7501. I don't have their mailing address handy, but I can provide it if needed. One great thing about their offerings is that even the clasp styles can be ordered as all eyelets, so there are about 20 styles to choose from, in sevaral sizes. They also have cloak-sized pewter clasps and pewter buttons. Since I have a costume business, I purchase them wholesale in bags of 25 pairs, but they may well sell to individuals in that quantity, or maybe even smaller quantities. It's certainly worth checking them out! Priscilla Schmitz www.faire.net/merlyncc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 16:29:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29702 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:29:50 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA19399; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA26907 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA26898 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0618.gti.net [208.216.122.18]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15364 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <370689D3.82D7376E@gti.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:36:19 -0500 From: "Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: film/costume/Rob Roy References: <199904030933.CAA25906@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Lisa R." > I was able to find 2 kilts from Rob Roy for $50 > Bill--- Do you mean $500? That's what they're priced at on the web site. ---Deb Rand _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 16:52:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29832 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:52:04 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA21494; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:08:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA28850 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:58:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA28829 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP263.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.25]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13827 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:58:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001401be7e1e$48cf0cc0$191cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: velvet Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:06:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >2. I understand wool and linen are the "stock in trade" garb fabrics for >Saxons. This seems it would be a bit hot for summer (and Pennsic)? How >does one adapt to cope with the heat? Linen and linen? Only wearing one >layer? (walking around in just one's chemise seems a bit wrong somehow...?) Don't believe the propaganda--wool is a lot cooler than quite a few other fabrics for summer wear, because it breathes. I've worn wool at Pennsic. I think the trick is not to cut the garments too tightly, and to look for the lighter-weight woolens, rather than the coat-type fabrics. But you could probably do just linen if you didn't want to push it :-) >Is pink an acceptable colour for a 12th Century Saxon lady? I saw some >beautiful pink linen at the fabric store this week, and as I'm very pale, >pink suits me well. Just wondering... Pink itself is fine. Pink linen--depends on the colour of pink, because linen can be difficult to dye a dark colour (that is, a dark colour which isn't fugitive) using period techniques. You'd probably be OK with pale pink. Now, if you're talking wool--a friend of mine has been spinning some lichen dyed wool that is exactly the colour I'd describe as "shocking pink." Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 22:34:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA31724 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:34:44 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA28480; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA27257 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA27249 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:41:58 -0700 (MST) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.10.174] (hrfr-sh6-port174.snet.net [204.60.10.174]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id WAA10272 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:41:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904040341.WAA10272@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:42:20 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: velvet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001401be7e1e$48cf0cc0$191cbfa8@dsc> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net Thank you m'lady for your kind response to my questions. I think I'll take a woollen over-dress with me then, and a cloak. But I think I'll probably fo linen/linen or gauze. Gauze was not something I'd considered! >Pink itself is fine. Pink linen--depends on the colour of pink, because >linen can be difficult to dye a dark colour (that is, a dark colour which >isn't fugitive) using period techniques. You'd probably be OK with pale >pink. This was a pale-ish pink. The colour caught my attention. They also had sky blue and lemon. Both of those colours looked a bit too chalky though. I thought they'd be too modern! But the pink was nice. Good! That's going to be my next project then! Can't wait! BTW how should one wash linen? Does it shrink? Even if pre-washed? Full of questions today! Elysant Now, if you're talking wool--a friend of mine has been spinning some >lichen dyed wool that is exactly the colour I'd describe as "shocking pink." > >Susan Carroll-Clark > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 3 22:36:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA31738 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:36:06 -0500 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA28241; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA27174 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dias.net (dias.net [199.170.176.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA27157 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ophelia@localhost) by dias.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05195 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:56:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ophelia@dias.net) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Sara J. Davitt" To: Historic Costumers! Subject: H-COST: I got some fabric... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" OK.. so here's the deal... I am a painter/printmaker, and I had a briliant idea. i was going to creat this room, onto which was printed my images, so that they would surround you, and be transperant etc. oh my vision was lovely. So I ran myself down to Chicago, and bought many many (25) yards of the most beautiful (and with an incredibly sexy hand to it) orange chiffon Sari Material. It has a simple shiney Orange border on the salvage. I also bought some scraps. I went back and began printing on the scraps. I would lay them on the table, and i was SO excited, and i began experienting with it. They were so pretty. So I wake up the next morning, and actually consider them in installation (up against a window) AND all my hard printed work, all but disapeared!... so, In short, this is Not going to work, and I have 25 yards of the sexiest chiffon I have ever felt on in hands, and nothing to use it for that requires such yardage. (though I will probably make a nice little sundress) --though it would make a perfect top layer for a Double layer Duvet... The big question is... does anyone need this sort of fabric? (or would anyone want to add it to their fabric stash?) I paid about 110$ for the whole lot of it, and I'd even chip in the postage (unless you want me to cut it down) Thanks for listening, and I hope one of you could use some of it! Sarahj **2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 07:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08398 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:29:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA04769; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 05:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA27365 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 05:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA27360 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 05:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-246-76.s584.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.76]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id HAA02443 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01be7ea9$04f9b8c0$4cf67ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: velvet Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:40:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" >BTW how should one wash linen? Does it shrink? Even if pre-washed? > >Full of questions today! > >Elysant What I always do is wash in hot and dry on the hottest setting before cutting, then wash the finished garment in cold and dry on delicate. I usually have no shrinkage this way. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 09:27:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09041 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:26:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA09570; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA02090 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA02080 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BlueNeptune.Com (ppp166.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.166]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17232 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from BlackCat@BlueNeptune.Com) Message-ID: <3707698F.53A22EB7@BlueNeptune.Com> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 06:30:55 -0700 From: "BlackCat =^..^=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costuming Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Thoughts on costume books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "BlackCat =^..^=" I have the opportunity to get my paws on the following books, any opinions? Peasant Costume Europe. by K. Mann A Pictorial History Of Costume (Pepin) --Chris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 09:27:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09050 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:27:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA09732; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA02140 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA02135 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BlueNeptune.Com (ppp166.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.166]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17255 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 06:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from BlackCat@BlueNeptune.Com) Message-ID: <370769C8.3C2C723@BlueNeptune.Com> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 06:31:52 -0700 From: "BlackCat =^..^=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costuming Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Thoughts on costume books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "BlackCat =^..^=" I have the opportunity to get my paws on the following books, any opinions? Peasant Costume Europe. by K. Mann A Pictorial History Of Costume (Pepin) --Chris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 13:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10626 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:45:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA02615; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA18807 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA18799 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.131 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:51:59 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: I got some fabric... Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be7ebc$4e613f20$830bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Before you throw away your wonderful initial concept so hastily, it seems like there must be a technical reason that the printing disappeared, and also a technical solution. Sounds like just the wrong technique/paint/ink/whatever. There is nothing inherently impossible about printing on chiffon. Printing a light color on a dark one frequently requires two passes. So if you were printing a light color onto the orange, it's not a failure, you're just half-way there. And sometimes a little colored or gilt dust sprinkled in te wet paint can give the printed work the sheen and body it needs to stand up and stand out. Do some tests on scraps before printing the whole yardage again. Work at the test pieces until you get it right, and then apply your methodology to the whole yardage. Hang in there! Technical assistance is available from books, friends, and commercial sources such as the help lines at Dharma Trading Co., toll-free telephone (800) 452-5227 and www.darmatrading.com and address Box 150916 San Rafael, CA 94915. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sara J. Davitt Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 10:56 PM To: Historic Costumers! Subject: H-COST: I got some fabric... -Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" OK.. so here's the deal... I am a painter/printmaker, and I had a briliant idea. i was going to creat this room, onto which was printed my images, so that they would surround you, and be transperant etc. oh my vision was lovely. So I ran myself down to Chicago, and bought many many (25) yards of the most beautiful (and with an incredibly sexy hand to it) orange chiffon Sari Material. It has a simple shiney Orange border on the salvage. I also bought some scraps. I went back and began printing on the scraps. I would lay them on the table, and i was SO excited, and i began experienting with it. They were so pretty. So I wake up the next morning, and actually consider them in installation (up against a window) AND all my hard printed work, all but disapeared!... so, In short, this is Not going to work, and I have 25 yards of the sexiest chiffon I have ever felt on in hands, and nothing to use it for that requires such yardage. (though I will probably make a nice little sundress) --though it would make a perfect top layer for a Double layer Duvet... The big question is... does anyone need this sort of fabric? (or would anyone want to add it to their fabric stash?) I paid about 110$ for the whole lot of it, and I'd even chip in the postage (unless you want me to cut it down) Thanks for listening, and I hope one of you could use some of it! Sarahj **2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 13:55:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10676 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:54:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA03510; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA19553 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA19534 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21972 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-139.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.139]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16628 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904041802.UAA16628@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Ghita? Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:55:22 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi list, Cynthia wrote: > Yes, that is it. Excellent. Thanks. Trying to figure out how to make all > those little plates. They were little brass, tin, silver or even gold squares, circles or lozenges, pounced out in carved out moulds. Stella Newton has a picture of one on page 43 for bezants, which were round plates. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 13:55:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10683 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:55:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA03529; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA19555 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA19533 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21968 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-139.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.139]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16625 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904041802.UAA16625@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: velvet Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:49:22 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi all, Elysant wrote: > 1. As an Anglo - Norman 12th Century persona (i.e. high Saxon) how could I > possibly get away with wearing velvet? No, you won't. There just was no velvet yet, this only arrived since the middle of the 13th c and than only for the super rich. > 2. I understand wool and linen are the "stock in trade" garb fabrics for > Saxons. This seems it would be a bit hot for summer (and Pennsic)? How > does one adapt to cope with the heat? Linen and linen? Only wearing one > layer? (walking around in just one's chemise seems a bit wrong somehow...?) There were hot summers in Saxon England as well; they had to make do with what they had, without giving offence. Light wool and linen was the solution. I have worn medium wool over linen in a 30 degrees C moist atmosphere and was less hot than scantily clad tourists. > > Is pink an acceptable colour for a 12th Century Saxon lady? Yes. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 14:01:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10722 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:01:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA03492; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA19551 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA19535 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21962 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-139.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.139]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16620 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904041802.UAA16620@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:43:17 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, > Carol and Cybthia wrote: > There are a quick one or two mentions of the fur lined pelison in _Fashion > in the Age of the Black Prince_ by Mary Stella Newton. It was listed in > somewardrobe accountings. I warn you, it's not much. However, she is > highly respected and I wouldn't feel as though I hadn't tried if she was > the only documentation I found on it. :) > Cynthia > Stella Newton interprets pelissons as short silk/sendal capes worn with fur on the outside. This sounds a bit like the fur hoods worn by canons during their services in the cold churches of which she gives a picture on page 59, which there is called an 'aumuce', also known as 'almuce'. In fact, a 'pelisse' is a pelt or fur, a 'pelisson' is a large fur. These names were used for furlined garments as well, so the pelisson should be a large fur-lined mantle, cloak or coat. There is in fact a very large and costly fur-lined oval cloak with a wide hood and a train, which is worn by queens, high noblewomen and high prelates like cardinals, and which is called 'pelicon' (with the cedile under the c). It was buttoned at the neck, had slits for the arms and was completely closed and very expensively furred with light coloured furs. All costumebooks I own say it's 14th c, but I found it only on early 14th c miniatures and other pictures. These books don't mention the pelicon being worn by high clerics. It appears especially in the Life of Saint Louis in the National Library in Paris, dated ca 1313. This large furlined cloak seems to be typically french, because I can't remember ever having seen it in sources from other countries. > > I am searching for information/documentation on a garment called a > > pellison. My costume books do nothing more than mention it in passing > > as the forerunner of the 18th century Pellise. Is there anyone out > > there who can suggest where I might find more information? > > > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > > > Carol Brink I don't know about it being a forerunner of an 18th c garment, since it disappears from view ca 1350 (although I have always thought that one of the protraits of cardinal Rolin by Jan van Eyk (ca 1435) shows a similar cloak), but large fur-lined have always been worn: houppelandes, tabards, bellcloaks, etc. I guess there is really no more information to give, except that Bucknell and Hamilton-Hill, The evolution of fashion, London, 1967, have a pattern of the pelicon. It takes a lot of cloth and a lot of fur, I warn you. Hope this helps, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 15:01:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11048 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:01:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA09248; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA25035 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA25017; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904041908.NAA25017@indra.com> From: lynnx <@mc.net@indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Publisher rant (warning: long) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx <@mc.net> ***Zot!!*** Your quotes from "Bill" are almost *word-for-word* the same as what a guy told me on the phone when I called out there! He was nice enough to me, but I gotta agree he was awfully hard on Arnold! I assumed he wasn't expecting that what he told me was going to appear on one of the busiest costume lists Out There, but since he (if it *was* the same guy) doesn't seem to mind who hears it, here's my two bits worth... Whoever I talked to said (Background info): Arnold and Hunnisett knew each other and were friends for quite a while, Arnold even sent 1 or 2 of her early books to Hunnisett for "proofing" /corrections. Later Arnold got p.o.'d at Hunnisett for publishing a book that covered part of what one of Arnold's did. However, when Hunnisett heard Arnold was ill, she took pains to help Arnold, and they were back on good terms when she died. How this relates to the "update" thing: The "Arnold-corrections" work PP has on the shelf is by *Hunnisett*, and she didn't want to offend Arnold's fans by publishing it and maybe have them take it as "dissing" Arnold's work. (Sounds considerate enough to me. He said Hunnisett is a very nice person.) Some other stuff he said, which gave me a rather confused impression of *him*: Like you, Tina, I said I felt bad that Arnold had died, and he said flat-out, "I don't - she was a nuisance!" Then went on to tell me pretty much the same boo boos he told you, but added some stuff that I would think would make *him* a little more sympathetic: First: She (he said) had to sneak a camera into the V&A's "back room" because *her publisher* wouldn't shell out the $$ to use the museum's photos (apparently a pricey proposition) for research. So she took "bad" photos and derived mismeasurements from them. This pissed off the V&A, so they wouldn't let her back there any more. (Doesn't this merit a bit of sympathy for Arnold, who *IF* it's true, was jammed between a rock and a hard place?) BTW, I have all 3 of Arnold's Englishwomen's Dress books, and the Tudor-era one has the most spectacular photos I have *ever* seen - is this guy trying to claim those are "bad" or "used without permission"? ***CYA NOTE: None of this reflect *my* opinion of Arnold's publisher, since I haven't met them. END CYA NOTE*** He also seemed critical of the fact that Arnold *didn't* "update" the measurements she took of the garments for the "typical" modern build; she kept the proportions etc. pretty close to the actual garments. His claim was that readers of her books wouldn't all understand this and would complain because the garments made using her info didn't fit. (Like this is supposed to be a problem to Player's? How??) ***THE RUMOR MILL CRANKS UP*** Disclaimer: It was 11PM here when I talked to the guy at Player's, so *apply salt liberally to this section!* Re upcoming books, I *think* (Dontquotemeonthis) Hunnisett may be planning on one or 2 more books, I also got the impression that reenactors have expressed annoyance with Hunnisett's patterns because she comes from a *theatrical* point of view, and (if I got this right) she will be considering the reenactor/ historical research crowd more in the next thing she comes out with. ***THE RUMOR MILL SHUTS DOWN*** One conclusion I can draw from all this: Whoever is talking this line about Arnold etc. should be put back in the back room editing or whatever, and let *someone else* do PR for Player's, or they're gonna get some very bad press! And Now, Back To Our Regularly Scheduled Topic, Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 16:04:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11445 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:04:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA15069; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA00713 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA00699 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA22535 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3707C63B.A7A11511@best.com> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 13:06:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Publisher rant (warning: long) References: <199904041908.NAA25017@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > > > He also seemed critical of the fact that Arnold *didn't* "update" the > measurements she took of the garments for the "typical" modern build; > she kept the proportions etc. pretty close to the actual garments. His > claim was that readers of her books wouldn't all understand this and > would complain because the garments made using her info didn't fit. > (Like this is supposed to be a problem to Player's? How??) If you publish patterns in one size (which in many cases is the only practical way to publish them), whether they are in one modern size or one original size, either way most people will have to alter them. IMO he should just have said, "I know some publishers do it differently, but our policy is to publish all women's patterns in modern size 10" (or whatever they use). What is Players Press publishing anyway, that has everybody calling them? Fran ---------------------------------------------- Visit our web sites! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Vintage and historic dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 16:46:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11668 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:46:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA19885; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA04122 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA04117 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:53:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Gerekr@aol.com Received: from Gerekr@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6FVHa28343 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:12:09 -0500 (EDT) Message-ID: <80e6fd63.24392fa9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:12:09 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Pellison question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Claris Emailer v2.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gerekr@aol.com >I am searching for information/documentation on a garment called a >pellison. My costume books do nothing more than mention it in passing >as the forerunner of the 18th century Pellise. Norris is what's closest to the computer, 8-). P. 97-98 of v.2 "The only women's garment to be noticed in this reign is an over-robe called the PELICE or PELICON (with circunflex on C) ..." from period Richard I: a fur lined over-garment ("supertunic"), just-below-knee length and roomy elbow-length sleeves, not usually belted (but when there are belts, worn at the hip). He gives "pelice" as Norman French for fur, therefore the name is based on the fur-lined-ness. I like Norris, but others may want to use this as a starting place for more rigorous documentation... Chimene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 17:24:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11864 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:24:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA23878; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA07576 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA07570 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.151.9.12] (th-0-3.patriot.net [206.151.9.12]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08854 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:27:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199904042127.RAA08854@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: Published pattern drafts Date: Sun, 4 Apr 99 17:29:29 -0400 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: > He also seemed critical of the fact that Arnold *didn't* "update" the > measurements she took of the garments for the "typical" modern build; > she kept the proportions etc. pretty close to the actual garments. His > claim was that readers of her books wouldn't all understand this and > would complain because the garments made using her info didn't fit. > (Like this is supposed to be a problem to Player's? How??) I like the patterns drafted straight off the originals. As the cut is adjusted for size, the patternmaker is adding a bit of her or his own interpretation to the cut. While we frequently discuss matters of how tightly corsets fit, I think we agree that it takes the body away from the "typical" modern build. In many cases, the bustline is raised significantly from the typical! When using Janet Arnold's drafts, I know that I will need to adjust the size. If I bought a pattern in my size, I would also realize that additional fitting is necessary. Other costume makers might think that no further adjustment was necessary in a sized pattern. I don't think Janet Arnold intended her books to make it easy on costume makers. She seems to be sharing her research in a more exact form. Some have mentioned errors, but the information is presented as close to the original as Janet Arnold could get it at the time. We've found her books very valuable in making costumes. Others who could find them useful are those comparing sizes of extant garments, waist to hip or waist to bust ratios, etc. The fabric of that particular garment is described, which is not done as often with sized patterns. Janet Arnold takes us into collections that we may otherwise not reach. There is a new book out with pattern drafts of items in the Chester County Historical Society collection, and another coming out soon of clothing in the DeWitt Wallace (Williamsburg) collection. We're buying these books! -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 18:36:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12303 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:36:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA01467; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA13578 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA13565 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.92] (sdts10-92.znet.net [207.167.66.92]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id PAA07004 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904040341.WAA10272@smtp.snet.net> References: <001401be7e1e$48cf0cc0$191cbfa8@dsc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: velvet Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Julie Adams re: wearing wool in the heat. On several occasions I've found wool gauze or just fine or sheer wool. I suggest you keep an eye out, perhaps you'll come by some eventually. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 19:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12499 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:08:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA04478; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA16287 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA16276 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id QAA28442; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3707F267.8CABA3E3@best.com> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:14:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, aquazoo@patriot.net Subject: Re: H-COST: Published pattern drafts References: <199904042127.RAA08854@jefferson.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > There is a new book out with pattern drafts of items in the Chester > County Historical Society collection, What is the title and author? > and another coming out soon of > clothing in the DeWitt Wallace (Williamsburg) collection. We're buying > these books! > > - This is Linda Baumgarten's book? Or?? Thanks for any info, Fran ---------------------------------------------- Visit our web sites! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Vintage and historic dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 19:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12590 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:22:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA05449; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA17375 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA17368 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:29:43 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6VJGa23483 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:40:41 -0500 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:40:41 EDT Subject: H-COST: New 18th clothing book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com The new book on 18th century clothing is "Fitting and Proper: 18th Century Clothing from the Collection of the Chester County Historical Society" by Sharon Ann Burnston ISBN 1-880655-08-X, Spurlock Publishing Co. Inc. Forty measured and gridded garments (mostly women's and mens, but a few children's and accessory pieces), with photos of the originals as well. Another must for everyone's bookshelf. Charlene Bullard _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 19:40:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12683 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:40:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA06892; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA18778 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA18769 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id QAA22619 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3707F992.71A0120F@best.com> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:45:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: New 18th clothing book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > The new book on 18th century clothing is "Fitting and Proper: 18th Century > Clothing from the Collection of the Chester County Historical Society" by > Sharon Ann Burnston ISBN 1-880655-08-X, Spurlock Publishing Co. Inc. Forty > measured and gridded garments (mostly women's and mens, but a few children's > and accessory pieces), with photos of the originals as well. Another must > for everyone's bookshelf. > Charlene Bullard > _________________________________________________________________ > Thanks . . . Amazon.com has just parted me from some more hard-earned $$. Fran ---------------------------------------------- Visit our web sites! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Vintage and historic dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 22:03:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13561 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:03:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22151; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA00418 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA00400 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.151.9.11] (th-0-2.patriot.net [206.151.9.11]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00038 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:08:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199904050208.WAA00038@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Published pattern drafts Date: Sun, 4 Apr 99 22:10:53 -0400 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: I wrote, >> There is a new book out with pattern drafts of items in the Chester >> County Historical Society collection, And Fran asked, >What is the title and author? _Fitting and Proper_, by Sharon Ann Burnston. "18th Century Clothing from the Collection of the Chester County Historical Society". ISBN 1-880655-08-X Price - $55. The publisher is Scurlock of Texarkana, TX. I believe this is the same publisher that did _Tidings from the Eighteenth Century_ by Beth Gilgun, which is in its second edition. >> and another coming out soon of >> clothing in the DeWitt Wallace (Williamsburg) collection. We're buying >> these books! > >This is Linda Baumgarten's book? Or?? Yes, and it's supposed to be available in December. -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 4 23:07:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13925 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:07:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA01425; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA05757 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA05746 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.70.125]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with ESMTP id <19990405031400.BSKF20893@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 03:14:00 +0000 Message-ID: <37082918.A7D83118@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 20:08:08 -0700 From: Kevin and Carol X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Pelisson again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin and Carol -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" writes: > In fact, a 'pelisse' is a pelt or fur, a 'pelisson' is a large fur. > These names were used for furlined garments as well, so the pelisson > should be a large fur-lined mantle, cloak or coat. There is in fact a > very large and costly fur-lined oval cloak with a wide hood and a > train, which is worn by queens, high noblewomen and high prelates like > cardinals, and which is called 'pelicon' (with the cedile under the > c). It was buttoned at the neck, had slits for the arms and was > completely closed and very expensively furred with light coloured > furs. So what would you call the garment worn by the Duchess of Burgundy in the 15th century painting: Hunting with Falcons at the Court of Phillip the Good? This painting is in Boucher and all the court are in white. It appears that her 'cloak' is cut like a tabard with maybe a yoke? Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 02:03:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA17395 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:03:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA22723; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA19490 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.softcom.net (mail.softcom.net [209.160.160.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA19485 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tc0104-71.promedia.net (unverified [209.160.170.164]) by mail.softcom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:10:30 -0700 Received: by tc0104-71.promedia.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BE7EEF.C827FD20@tc0104-71.promedia.net>; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <01BE7EEF.C827FD20@tc0104-71.promedia.net> From: Broneske To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Costuming Guilds Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:06:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE7EEF.C83124E0" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Broneske ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7EEF.C83124E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Roseville, count me in too! Joan B. ---------- From: Diana H[SMTP:dch@inreach.com] Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 11:32 PM To: H-Costume Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming Guilds -Poster: Diana H Margo Anderson wrote: > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > At 01:10 PM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I'm looking for a costuming guild for my mom, who lives in Cameron > Park > >(between Sacramento and Placerville). I went on the ICG web site, > but > >didn't see anything for her area. > there isn't a > guild currently but I am hoping to start one very soon. > > Margo Anderson Dear Margo, I live in a suburb of Sacramento and would love to be involved in a costuming guild also! Would you mind including me in your list when you get things started? Mucho thanks! Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7EEF.C83124E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiEGAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEUAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABoLWNvc3R1bWVAaW5kcmEuY29tAFNNVFAAaC1jb3N0dW1lQGluZHJhLmNvbQAAAAAe AAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAFAAAAGgtY29zdHVtZUBpbmRyYS5jb20AAwAVDAEA AAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAAFgAAACdoLWNvc3R1bWVAaW5kcmEuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAGQAA AFNNVFA6SC1DT1NUVU1FQElORFJBLkNPTQAAAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAA AAAAA3QyAQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABAB0AAABSRTogSC1D T1NUOiBDb3N0dW1pbmcgR3VpbGRzADoJAQWAAwAOAAAAzwcEAAQAFwAGABgAAAATAQEggAMADgAA AM8HBAAEABcABgAGAAAAAQEBCYABACEAAAA0RDZGRjNCQkUxRUFEMjExQTMzQTQ0NDU1MzU0MDAw MAAPBwEDkAYAsAUAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDgYiBv Kn++AR4AcAABAAAAHQAAAFJFOiBILUNPU1Q6IENvc3R1bWluZyBHdWlsZHMAAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAW AAAAAb5/Km8gu/NvTurhEdKjOkRFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABQA AAB1bmljb3JuQHNvZnRjb20ubmV0AAMABhCQOWqUAwAHEFMDAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABJTUlOUk9T RVZJTExFLENPVU5UTUVJTlRPT0pPQU5CLS0tLS0tLS0tLUZST006RElBTkFIU01UUDpEQ0hASU5S RUFDSENPTVNFTlQ6RlJJREFZLEFQUklMMDIsMTk5OTExOjMyAAAAAAIBCRABAAAALgQAACoEAAAc CAAATFpGdX3HKKb/AAoBDwIVAqQD5AXrAoMAUBMDVAIAY2gKwHNldO4yBgAGwwKDMgPGBxMCg7oz Ew19CoAIzwnZOxX/eDI1NQKACoENsQtgbvBnMTAzFCALChLyDAGCYwBAIEknbSALgAsH8RHwdgMQ bGUsIDUFoHUCMCAHgBsSdG9MbyEKhQqFSm8DkUIGLh0MCvRsaTE4MMEC0WktMTQ0DfAM0LMgMwtZ MTYKoANgdAWQfQVALSJXCochCwwwIdZGnQNhOiNeIdYMgiBEBzAAbmEgSFtTTVToUDpkEbBAC4AW AADQ5GguBaBtXSL/JA0GYA8CMCU/Jksk8GlkYXlNG+BBIdADETAyG+AxRjkuMC4QMTozEiBQZk0o 7yQNVG8rLyZLSOItCFBzdHUHgC7/Kf44dWJqIhExHyZLUmXjNfAy8U9TVDXwMxQLgJBnIEd1AxBk cx5f+R9jMzYg1xQiDAEh1gqFPC1QMyEEkDXwJxUgPJUn7T4dDE0KwGdvE3BKbgSBcwIgIHch4jpt HQw+PPhADTwAwEAhQBxkaRYAIiAFoG4ubt8SAD8WRRcTcAVAMC6AGSBBLsEgNC8yLy5BLfYwH8Eb 4HkIYEDsQjBFmOY+GuIVkG9rOPICEAXANydQBaA4tmc5QkpjbXlnHFADcBvgd2hAQB+QdrMHkRsh Q2EHgANgbkHHSlAKwGtIeChiEgB3/wnhBgEFAE1xAjBAQABwS7AaUAtgYwSQG5MpLiCXGtBA4Crx IEDBdGgccHhJQ0dRwSbwAJAiACwxQcdidXRIeERAZG7eJwVAEfAccABweVJQSjb/UmBKkShBHkZC MFJCFgAbENpzVPJhQcdLdGMIcBYAfQIwbEwgU/FRoU1wVjBv/nA48lBRMzAKwFICHHBM8H5yTCBA sESxRS9ADB0MRP8oUD/lU1YKhVGwTNIbEidQTnM1kAhwJvBvZk/Od38IYEuhFZBg4VBRT1AbEXb/ BvBM8EuwYRIKhUreB0BAsHohUZBXYwNH0jjhZHJj/wpAREA5ARxkR9EFwB+QMzDvTIFPoUfRCoVn EgBSQTjx1wQgWwMJgD8/LXURsEBAM1JQAHBrcxz9JxQ6fvc/HSLXCoUqcF9xb3J/c435CoUiVFeD VoEcshxQVXH7HFFEQG8FAGOBaoQbIR+Q/mZjgw2wB0BA4FMgKIB4gvZMY2EKhXNMoGMRVPJj0Y9b YQqFYcJSUW0uIm73IklbYlNreRxzIkTvKEEbAEpzA6BJAIADcAMA5wDQe4YdDCBff9+A74H//4Lb eoYw8EngKFBjclWwBCD/AMADEDjyaPIb4BHwUJGFQutawgDAagWwZANwRCBnYT9QACiSeoZ4QlJD B4FzYQFqMCBVTlNVQlMgQ1JJQkU4BVVNvkU5nzquGjU8HRUhAI6wAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAA QAAHMGBShGQqf74BQAAIMGBShGQqf74BHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAABxrA== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7EEF.C83124E0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 10:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23212 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:13:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24812; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA22046 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA22039 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:21:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 6NJLa11275 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:20:18 -0500 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:20:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Alternative to grommets/eyelets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com Update on source for lacing eyelets: I checked with Norsk Engros (which I should have done before posting!) about quantity orders. They only sell wholesale, which means you can order only if you have a business and a resale tax permit from your state. Sorry! If anyone who doesn't have a resale number needs at least 25 pairs, let me know and I can order them for you. Priscilla Schmitz www.faire.net/merlyncc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 11:21:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23688 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:21:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA06045; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA05828 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA05813; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904051528.JAA05813@indra.com> From: "Steven Heeter" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: Elizabethn Collar Search Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Steven Heeter" Milady, If I am not mistaken you are looking for a piece that is similar in construction to a plaque belt. That is to say a piece constructed of plaqards of metal joined by rings (of a sort). Usually the individual plaques would have relief designs worked into them. Am I correct? If so, please tell me what motif you seek and perhaps we can help one another. I am an armorer and jeweler and am currently working on a belt peice. Stephan deCaerleon aka Steve Heeter _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 17:09:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25905 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:09:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA10850; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA07302 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA07153 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgjrd29496 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:18:35 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:19:01 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST:Janet Arnold question Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199904041908.NAA25017@indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > -Poster: lynnx <@mc.net> > > BTW, I have all 3 of Arnold's Englishwomen's Dress books, and the > Tudor-era one has the most spectacular photos I have *ever* seen - Which book is this? I did not know she had done any work on Tudor clothing. Please enlighten me! Thanks! --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 17:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25914 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:10:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA10699; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA19236 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hummer.tci.net (hummer.tci.net [209.19.4.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA19091 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a (c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.4.53.172]) by hummer.tci.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 2CZ5RT9W; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:48:28 -0600 Message-ID: <004701be7f8c$dcf75be0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: , "sca-garb" , Subject: H-COST: armor patterns Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:49:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I am in search of leather armor patterns that are online. If you know of any please send them my way! :) Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 5 23:18:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28211 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:18:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA05958; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA15431 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA15426 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-35-187.s187.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.187]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12258 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3709A8BB.43D918B2@erols.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 23:24:59 -0700 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Tartan in VA References: <199902280220.VAA21575@mail.niagara.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David S. Mallinak" kathleen@niagara.com wrote: > First...how wide will the fabric have to be for someone about 6'5" to 6'6"? As wide as can get. but what ever will cover him from his head to his knee, I have found to work well. > Second...can anyone let me know the best places to find good deals on > suitable fabric in his area? He lives in VA near Washington. I don't > particularly care about the sect, as long as it isn't something truly > obvious like Royal Stewart. Blues and heathery tones would look great with > his colouring, but again...not that picky. The best time to get wool tartan fabric is late winter and early spring. At this time the fabric stores are getting rid of the winter fabric (wool) to make room for spring/summer fabric > Third...any ideas on footwear? He loves to go barefoot, but if it rains... For 16th/17th century Highland Scots a American Indian mocassin with the part that is loose either cut off or tied up over the ankle is a resonable looking Highland shoe. A pampotte, a Scottish 18th footwear can be make by taking a piece of leather 3 to 4 inches larger than the foot, put holes around the edge and then lace up to fit. > Fourth...accessories. I figure a plaid pin, a belt, dagger, a version of a > sporran for practical reasons, maybe a bonnet if he'll wear one...anything else? A man would not use a kilt pin, he would use a strong straight pin to hold up the material. A dirk (dagger), a sporran ( a simple pouch with a flap over the opening), and bonnet are OK I have replyed to you directly as my PC is recently recovered from a disk crash. Your most obediant servant David S Mallinak matchlck@erol.com Adjunt MacLean's Company (serving in Scotland for King Charles in 1645) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 00:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29217 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:15:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA13437; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA22788 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f183.hotmail.com [207.82.251.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id WAA22774 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1437 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 04:22:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406042228.1436.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.193.30.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:22:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.193.30.22] From: "Catherine de Calais" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Janet Arnold question Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:22:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Catherine de Calais" I think the book she is referring to is "Patterns of Fashion" c1560-1620 Tudor/Elizabethan era. Catherine >From: "Jessica Wilbur" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST:Janet Arnold question >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:19:01 -0400 >From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 05 14:23:06 1999 >Received: from [204.144.142.2] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id MHotMailB8D274B700F2D1B98320CC908E020FA90; Mon Apr 05 14:23:06 1999 >Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA10997;Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:33:57 -0600 (MDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA07302for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) >Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22])by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA07153for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:35 -0600 (MDT) >Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP(peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119])id QQgjrd29496for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:18:35 GMT >Message-Id: >Priority: normal >In-reply-to: <199904041908.NAA25017@indra.com> >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) >Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com >Precedence: bulk > >-Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > > >> >> -Poster: lynnx <@mc.net> > >> >> BTW, I have all 3 of Arnold's Englishwomen's Dress books, and the >> Tudor-era one has the most spectacular photos I have *ever* seen - > > >Which book is this? I did not know she had done any work on Tudor clothing. Please >enlighten me! > >Thanks! >--Jessica > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 00:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29519 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:56:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA17464; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA26645 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA26615 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id OAA04408 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:27:53 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02327; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:37:27 +0930 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:37:19 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Greenburg & Hammer In-Reply-To: <016a01be7c5c$074747e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Franchesca Havas wrote: > > -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > > >From http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/mailorder.html > > Greenberg and Hammer > 24 W. 57th St. > NY, New York > 212-246-2835. > 72437,674@compuserve.com > steel and plastic boning. Their boning is the cheapest I've found anywhere. > Do they do international mail order? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 06:53:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03430 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 06:53:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA08031; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA23597 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.niagara.com (mail.niagara.com [209.5.56.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA23588 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:01:11 -0600 (MDT) From: kathleen@niagara.com Received: from Kathleen (isdn-69.niagara.com [209.5.58.69]) by mail.niagara.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29216 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904061101.HAA29216@mail.niagara.com> X-Sender: kathleen@mail.niagara.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: unsubscribing Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kathleen@niagara.com Due to extraordinary circumstances, I will be unsubscribing for a while. Have fun and I will see you when my life calms down. Kathleen/Catriona () _/)(\_ "Tehee!" quod she, and clapte the wyndow to /~~\ /____\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 09:49:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30462 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:49:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA20306; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA06784 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA06768 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01704 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <009501be8034$b51ec560$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Happiness and hats Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:52:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" 2 things... first, I ordered a 1920's pattern from Lark Books last week, and it was waiting for me when I got home yesterday... and this was normal shipping! I am very pleased! Just had to say that after all the "difficulties" we have been bringing up with other places. Secondly, and for anyone who doesn't care, sorry, but there is a beautiful "Swashbucklers" hat for sale on e-bay if anyone is interested. It's a nice addition to a pirate costume, though most likely not accurate for any real historical sense. It's still fun... It's at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87607172. Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 10:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22000 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:26:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24137; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12086 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c2smtp.kentlaw.edu (c2smtp.kentlaw.edu [192.148.222.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12075 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <79D4093701AA3400@c2smtp.kentlaw.edu> X-SMF-Message-ID: 79D4093701AA3400 X-SMF-Hop-Count: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:31:00 -0500 From: KATHARINE WHISLER To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00102459 Subject: H-COST: Alcega ISBN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.50 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER Here's the info on the Alcega book from U.K. "Books In Print": Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589: Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca DATE ENTERED: 990315 STATUS IN FILE: Changed Alcega Juan de Pain J.(Tr.); Bainton C.(Tr.); Nevinson J.L. (Ed.) R Bean Feb 1999 28cm.254. 137ill. n.e. BINDING: Paperback PRICE: L25.00 ISBN: 0903585316 PRINT STATUS: In Print COUNTRY OF PUBLICATION: England In English & Spanish. Tr.fr.Spanish J.Pain & C.Bainton. Ed.J.L.Nevinson SUBJECT HEADINGS: Customs, Costumes, Folklore Costume That should be enough information! --K _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 10:58:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24062 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:58:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA29579; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA17295 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA17273 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA83914 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (hag@localhost) by elk.uvm.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA176204 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: elk.uvm.edu: hag owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hope A. Greenberg" X-Sender: hag@elk.uvm.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega ISBN In-Reply-To: <79D4093701AA3400@c2smtp.kentlaw.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope A. Greenberg" For any of you who have or have seen the Alcega book, can you tell us what kinds or garments are represented. From previous posts and from Arnold's books there seem to be at least three men's loose gowns and a lady's farthingale. What else is there? Mostly men's or some other women's? And what dates does it cover? Many thanks! - Hope ----------------- Hope.Greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 11:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24243 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:32:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA04553; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA23894 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA23872 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:39:29 -0600 (MDT) From: cnevin@caci.co.uk Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04622 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:35:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2AF4TM8A>; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:39:00 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: OT cross-stitch software request Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:38:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cnevin@caci.co.uk Hi, sorry for this slightly OT question. One of my workmate's wives is looking for a cross stitch software program and I said I would help by asking around. She has seen the CrossStitch Pro software and likes the top end program but it's too expensive at GBP 400. Does anyone have any alternatives? She mostly wants it for graphing out cross-stitch and maybe some lace. Her 'wants' were - mirror and maybe rotational functions - easily usable graph plotting - easy access to a full colour chart, pref. either Anchor or DMC - having already built motifs is optional If anyone is on an embroidery list they could also ask, I would really appreciate it. Please email me off list. Thanks a lot. Regards, Tina thorngrove@geocities.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 11:32:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24251 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:32:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA04744; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA24133 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA24114 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:40:29 -0600 (MDT) From: cnevin@caci.co.uk Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04641 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:36:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2AF4TM81>; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:40:00 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Medieval Tailor's Assistant Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:39:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cnevin@caci.co.uk >>I hope this helps! (Note, Quite Specific Media Group is the same outfit that publishes Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" series.) Mr. Bean told me by e-mail that his company is planning a new book to be called the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant." It will be interesting to see if it is any better than Hunnisett's book. >>Katharine Whisler I saw the planned section on men's jerkins for the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant", as well as meeting Ruth and Nigel Bean - both lovely people, and one of the NICE things that happened to me that weekend . It's pretty much going to be aimed at the re-enactors/recreationist market, serious research with patterns (usable even by the sewing-impaired such as myself). I was very impressed, and can't wait till it comes out. I think it'll an invaluable aid for a great many of us. Regards, Tina _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 11:49:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24343 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:49:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA06470; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA25846 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (smtp1-alterdial.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA25840 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgjud09494 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:49:42 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:50:16 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST:Janet Arnold question Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990406042228.1436.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" Oh, Ok... I have that one, I just don't think of it as Tudor, since it doesn't cover anything before the reign of Elizabeth I. YMMV. --Jessica > > -Poster: "Catherine de Calais" > > I think the book she is referring to is > > "Patterns of Fashion" c1560-1620 Tudor/Elizabethan era. > > Catherine > > >From: "Jessica Wilbur" > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Subject: Re: H-COST:Janet Arnold question > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:19:01 -0400 > >From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 05 14:23:06 1999 > >Received: from [204.144.142.2] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id > MHotMailB8D274B700F2D1B98320CC908E020FA90; Mon Apr 05 14:23:06 1999 > >Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by > server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA10997;Mon, 5 Apr 1999 > 15:33:57 -0600 (MDT) > >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id > OAA07302for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) > >Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET > [192.48.96.22])by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id > OAA07153for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:18:35 -0600 (MDT) > >Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP(peer > crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119])id > QQgjrd29496for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:18:35 GMT > >Message-Id: > >Priority: normal > >In-reply-to: <199904041908.NAA25017@indra.com> > >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) > >Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com > >Precedence: bulk > > > >-Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > > > > > > >> > >> -Poster: lynnx <@mc.net> > > > >> > >> BTW, I have all 3 of Arnold's Englishwomen's Dress books, and the > >> Tudor-era one has the most spectacular photos I have *ever* seen - > > > > > >Which book is this? I did not know she had done any work on Tudor > clothing. Please > >enlighten me! > > > >Thanks! > >--Jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:12:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24842 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:12:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA09453; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA28797 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA28763 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990406160443.KIGC23708.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: <370A30B6.DE1856D1@home.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:05:10 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Busk suppliers - US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Okay, I didn't pay any attention the first several rounds and I think the agreement is that Greenburg & Hammer is the cheapest source for boning (the lady I talked to said they're out of the catalog for about two months) but is it also the best source for busks? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:15:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24865 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:15:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22358; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA12100 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f67.hotmail.com [207.82.251.207]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA12011 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 88708 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 17:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406171329.88707.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:13:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Busk suppliers - US Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:13:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Kat, So far, G&H is my best bet. Saundra Altman may have a few in various sizes left; she stopped carrying them awhile back but last fall I got some smaller ones from her -the front clasp kind you use in ACW & later corsets. Otherwise, Greenberg & Hammer is the one I usually use. I have a catalog; if you want I'd be happy to look up the numbers for you so you can order some. Susannah >From: Kat & Kent >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" >Subject: H-COST: Busk suppliers - US >Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:05:10 -0500 > > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >Okay, I didn't pay any attention the first several rounds and I think >the agreement is that Greenburg & Hammer is the cheapest source for >boning (the lady I talked to said they're out of the catalog for about >two months) but is it also the best source for busks? > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:22:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24902 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:22:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23078; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA14914 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA14860 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27872 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:28:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-136.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.136]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06140 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:28:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904061728.TAA06140@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Pelisson again Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:25:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi all, Carol wrote: > So what would you call the garment worn by the Duchess of Burgundy in > the 15th century painting: Hunting with Falcons at the Court of Phillip > the Good? > > This painting is in Boucher and all the court are in white. It appears > that her 'cloak' is cut like a tabard with maybe a yoke? > I suppose you mean the painting in the Musee de Versailles called "La Chasse du Duc de Bourgogne" which is a 16th c copy of a painting dated ca 1420-30. I don't know which lady is the duchess, because that's not at all clear by either dress or other characteristics. Maybe you mean the lady with the long red necklace reaching to her knees, with the furry cloaklike thing? This could be called a large furred cloak or a pelisson, but it does not look like a 14th c one. It is hazardous to use this painting as a source for burgundian dress, as the 16yh c painter did not exactly understand what he was depicting in the manner of dress. This is very obvious from the headdresses and hats which are poorly understood, as ar some of the garments. Maybe the cloak used to look different on the original painting; I don't know. But a pellison in the conservative meaning it isn't... Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:22:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24908 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:22:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23232; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA15073 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA15059 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 69541 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 17:29:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406172947.69540.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:29:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: corded petticoat Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:29:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >-Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com > >Hi Margo, > Re your questions on a corded petticoat (one of the things I've always meant >to make and never have time), I'll describe the original I have in my >collection. It's made of 3 panels (2) of 35" and one of 16" (after seaming) of >a fairly heavy white cotton. The cording is poking out in some places and is >a 1/4" diameter white cording. From wist to hem is 38". >From these measurements it appears that this petticoat may be earlier than the 1850s. It is fairly narrow, less than 90" around. May be 1830s or even mid-to-late 1820s. The cording starts >app. 18" from the waist, with the first 4 cords being 2" apart, then they >gradually go down to app 1 1/2 apart. Ther are 11 cord rows in all, just the >fabric pulled together and stitched in back to make the rows, plus a double >cord for the hem. Fairly typical of 1st quarter of the 19th c. construction for drawstrings or cords in petticoats, corsets, and shortgowns. The double corded hem is also very typical of that period. The hem seems to an extra 1 1/2: which is turned under and >stitched in place just under the last cord row. The waistband is 1" wide, just >a 2"+ piece folded over and the petticoat skirt is gauged/cartridge pleated >into the waistband. Again, fairly typical of the earlier period. The placket opening is 11" long, done on the join of two >panels. The interersting thing to me is that on the waistband are (5) 3/4" >buttonholes--one at each end of the waistband, one at the opposite end (center >front?) and one on each side between these three. Possibly this was a >petticoat for a young girl or teen and was fastened to some type of >corset/waist? (any helpful comments out there??) Often, a "petticoat body" consisted of two parts --the petticoat skirt, and an attached, or detachable, bodice, which held the petticoat at the right place in order to give the correct fashion silhouette, very important in the 1830s and earlier when the waistline was higher than the actual waist, and therefore had to be contrived into place. I haven't actually seen one that buttoned on, but it was a common way to attach upper and lower parts of little boys' outfits in the later part of the 18th century and early 19th, (slops/trousers to undervest) so maybe this wasn't unusual. Just a thought. There is a replaced part of >a panel plus a repair by the placket. Is the stitching very fine, or not? Just curious, not necessarily helpful in dating. I will check my references tonight as to the color brown in the 1850s for corded petticoats. Also, I have a "recipe for a corded petticoat" from a class of Saundra Altman's. You might try e-mailing her for a copy, or asking her if she minds us sharing ours with the list. Just couldn't resist sticking my oar in again... Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:26:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24932 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:26:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23980; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA15776 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.hotmail.com [207.82.251.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA15752 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21688 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 17:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406173319.21687.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:33:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:corded petticoat Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:33:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >I would like to make an 1850's corded petticoat. Would it be appropriate to >make it in a solid color other than white, preferably dark? I have 200 >yards of brown cording, I hate brown so it's unlikely I'll use it for trim, >and it would show through white. Also, how is the petticoat attached to the >waist band? Flat pleats, gathers, or cartridge pleats? I believe in the 1850s cartridge pleats were still the preferred method of attaching skirts to waistbands. Susannah > >Margo > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:31:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24959 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:31:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA24738; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA16729 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f220.hotmail.com [207.82.251.111]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA16692 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 58204 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 17:38:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406173844.58203.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:38:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 19th century men's undershirts Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:38:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" In the mid 19th c. and earlier, men often wore shirts of wool under their outer clothes. Wool was considered from much earlier times to be the healthiest thing to wear "next the skin" [sic]. Ref. the Workwoman's Guide (c. 1839), for a start. It was credited with keeping unhealthy draughts and sudden changes in temperature away from the body, among other less likely things, such as keeping ladies' & children's minds on their work, and away from bodily concerns. These shirts were made of flannel, or a knitted fabric called "stockinette," in the 1820s. You might also look at Cunnington's "The History of Underwear," for some more refs. Hmmm... Susannah >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: 19th century men's undershirts >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >I'm researching men's working wear of the 1850's and I have questions about >undershirts. Since I've found a number of references to wool shirts, I >assume something must have been worn under them for cleanliness and comfort. >Was this simply an ordinary shirt in linen or cotton, or was there a >specific undershirt style? I have found mention of undershirts knitted of >merino wool, which I understand is soft enough to wear next to the skin. >Were these the norm, or was there something else? > >Margo >(Who STILL hasn't found her copy of the History of Underclothes) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 13:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25057 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:47:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA26794; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA19409 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA19383 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p3.directcon.net [206.170.184.52]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24438 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:53:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:53:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904061853.KAA24438@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: corded petticoat Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >I will check my references tonight as to the color brown in the 1850s >for corded petticoats. Actually, I'd prefer almost any other color that the brown cording won't show through: I hate brown so much that it would depress me to have on a brown petticoat. I charge extra to sew brown clothes, too! Also, I have a "recipe for a corded petticoat" >from a class of Saundra Altman's. You might try e-mailing her for a >copy, or asking her if she minds us sharing ours with the list. Hmm...someone posted a "recipe for a corded petticoat" in response to my query at the civilian reenactor's Discussion Forum at http://www.cwreenactors.com/forums/civilian/civilian.html Is this the same article? If so, we should let the poster know that it should at least be credited to Sandra. Margo Anderson In Sunny California...with six inches of fresh snow. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 14:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25293 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:24:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA02350; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA26036 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithium.dowco.com (root@lithium.dowco.com [207.23.88.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26021 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spirit (express-005.tch1.van.dowco.com [207.23.90.5]) by lithium.dowco.com (8.8.8/8.8.7/CF.6) with SMTP id LAA19872 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990406112734.01464db0@silverspin.net> X-Sender: karla@silverspin.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:27:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karla Sexsmith Subject: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karla Sexsmith Greetings everyone, I am looking for places to start with regards to researching late-period (ie. 1400-1500's) French women's clothing (for SCA purposes). Does anyone know of any books or websites that would be a good place to start? Thanks, Karla _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 14:26:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25305 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:26:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA02788; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA26454 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26441 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:33:06 -0600 (MDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id 6MDKa22361 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b7ee8cd.243bacec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:31:08 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: OT cross-stitch software request To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com I like and use Pattern Maker. The standard version that I have cost ca. $60 while the professional version is $120. You can visit their web page at www.hobbyware.com and email them at support@hobbyware.com. Good program! Nancy/Ingvild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 14:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25433 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:42:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06305; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA29294 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (rumpleteazer.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.45]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA29269 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU (31907@ese.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.43]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id LAA22053 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ariyana@localhost) by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8.cats-client) id LAA03237; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ariyana Kylstram X-Sender: ariyana@ese.UCSC.EDU To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #260 In-Reply-To: <199904061833.MAA26473@indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ariyana Kylstram Aiee! I deleted the contact info for the Juan de Alcega book. Could someone please repost it for me? Thanks! .ari The Lady Ariyana of House Kylstram ariyana@cats.ucsc.edu http://www.kithrup.com/~ariyana/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 16:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26243 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:29:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA26144; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18268 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA18232 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1540 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1999 20:36:23 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-153.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.153) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 20:36:23 -0000 Message-ID: <370A8E3E.D53@mc.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:44:14 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Publisher rant References: <199904042329.RAA17384@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather > What is Players Press publishing anyway, that has everybody calling > them? Jean Hunnisett!! And lots of other theatrical and costuming stuff. This discussion got started when someone on the list ran into one of their people at a show, who started dissing Janet Arnold's work. Needless to say she (the list-er) was unimpressed. I had earlier called them to answer a query of Where are they? on the list, and gotten the same diatribe on Arnold. (So, of course, I *had* to stick my oar in.) Hope this doesn't make things *too* much more confusing! Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 17:10:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26539 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:10:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03371; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA25237 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f77.hotmail.com [207.82.250.183]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA25228 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 50860 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 21:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406211201.50859.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:11:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: The Sound of Music Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:11:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Speaking of the Sound of Music in my last post, does anyone know or have an opinion of the late 1930s costuming in that movie? Is it bad or good for Austria? It is nothing like people were wearing in America during that time. I know the movie played havoc with the real story of the Family von Trapp, but I fell in love with the playclothes & dresses made out of Fraulein Maria's draperies and the lovely brown (OK, I won't use brown) princess-seamed jumper worn by Julie Andrews. Just for a novelty, I might make something like them, as I have a great green & white print that looks like the drapery. It would be nice to know if it were something like might have been worn in Austria in the late 30s, not just a Hollywood idea of the 1960s. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 17:18:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26582 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA04842; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA26561 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA26550 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05529 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:17:09 -0400 Message-ID: <016101be8073$793ba920$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: The Sound of Music Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" On this topic, if you live in the area at all, the Von Trapp Family owns an Inn in Midstate Vermont that is interesting to visit. I believe they do have some old "family possessions" which may include clothing. Either way, a great place to visit. Sarah >Speaking of the Sound of Music in my last post, does anyone know or have >an opinion of the late 1930s costuming in that movie? Is it bad or good >for Austria? It is nothing like people were wearing in America during >that time. I know the movie played havoc with the real story of the >Family von Trapp, but I fell in love with the playclothes & dresses made >out of Fraulein Maria's draperies and the lovely brown (OK, I won't use >brown) princess-seamed jumper worn by Julie Andrews. Just for a >novelty, I might make something like them, as I have a great green & >white print that looks like the drapery. It would be nice to know if it >were something like might have been worn in Austria in the late 30s, not >just a Hollywood idea of the 1960s. > >Susannah > >"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." > --William Morris > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 17:23:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26617 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:23:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA06593; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA28070 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA28059 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9479 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1999 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-153.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.153) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 21:28:28 -0000 Message-ID: <370A9A77.4CAD@mc.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:36:23 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book References: <199904061433.IAA12107@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather > Which book is this? I did not know she had done any work on Tudor > clothing. Please enlighten me! (realizing I may have my neck in the guillotine for not making ***sure*** Tudor is the right word for "1560 to 1620"...:-) It's: Patterns of Fashion, The cut and construction on clothes for men and women c. 1560-1620. Janet Arnold 1985. ISBN 0 333 38284 6 The publisher of my copy is "M Papermac/DRAMA BOOK New York" but I'd do a search on ACSES or Bookfinder, someone else might be doing it now. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 17:50:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26766 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:50:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA02412; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA24507 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f26.hotmail.com [207.82.250.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA24481 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12523 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 21:08:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406210826.12522.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:08:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: corded petticoat Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:08:26 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >-Poster: Margo Anderson > > >>I will check my references tonight as to the color brown in the 1850s >>for corded petticoats. > >Actually, I'd prefer almost any other color that the brown cording won't >show through: I hate brown so much that it would depress me to have on a >brown petticoat. I charge extra to sew brown clothes, too! > ;-D Will check as to suitability of which colors might be best. I know I will find it in some book or other with good refs... btw, I love brown, but it doesn't love me. As a matter of fact, my fiance calls my much-loved brown suit my "the poor didn't want this" suit, after a similar one worn by Julie Andrews in the Sound of Music. He frowns and says, "please don't wear that! It just isn't your color." And he's right. sigh... > Also, I have a "recipe for a corded petticoat" >>from a class of Saundra Altman's. You might try e-mailing her for a >>copy, or asking her if she minds us sharing ours with the list. > >Hmm...someone posted a "recipe for a corded petticoat" in response to my >query at the civilian reenactor's Discussion Forum at >http://www.cwreenactors.com/forums/civilian/civilian.html Is this the same >article? If so, we should let the poster know that it should at least be >credited to Sandra. > Yep! Good thinking. > >Margo Anderson >In Sunny California...with six inches of fresh snow. Yikes! And I thought I was to be pitied after a beautiful weekend in South Carolina, upon returning to the cold and windy mountains... Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 18:58:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27110 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:58:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17660; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA09545 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA09526 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bino (1Cust237.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.144.237]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17668 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004301be807c$660ed260$ed90fed0@bino> From: "Van Cleave & Fleming" To: Subject: H-COST: OT: hat for sale Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Van Cleave & Fleming" Is anyone interested in purchasing a large-brimmed black felt hat from me? It's the Hatcrafter's "Cartwheel" style which I bought from Amazon Drygoods (you can see it pictured in their General catalog, or online at http://hatcrafters.com/page9.htm ), hoping it would look early 1900's/1910's, but it's very 1940's/1950's instead. It's brand new, never been worn, one size. I bought it for $53 from Amazon Drygoods, I'll sell it for $30 plus shipping. If you're interested, please email me directly. Kendra Van Cleave tweedlebop@earthlink.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 19:03:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27151 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:03:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA13416; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA01727 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA01643 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09888 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:46:38 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book References: <199904061433.IAA12107@indra.com> <370A9A77.4CAD@mc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I'll stick me head on the block with ya. I believe many consider "Elizabethan" to be Tudor. She *is* a Tudor. FWIW, Cynthia > (realizing I may have my neck in the guillotine for not making > ***sure*** Tudor is the right word for "1560 to 1620"...:-) > It's: > Patterns of Fashion, The cut and construction on clothes for men and > women c. 1560-1620. Janet Arnold 1985. ISBN 0 333 38284 6 The > publisher of my copy is "M Papermac/DRAMA BOOK New York" but I'd do a > search on ACSES or Bookfinder, someone else might be doing it now. > > Heather > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 19:05:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27165 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:05:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA19660; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA12413 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (smtp1-alterdial.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA12395 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgjvf28360 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:49:01 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:49:34 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book Priority: normal In-reply-to: <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > I'll stick me head on the block with ya. I believe many consider > "Elizabethan" to be Tudor. She *is* a Tudor. FWIW, Cynthia Very true! I was just explaing to Heather privately that I tend to make a distinction in my own mind between "Tudor" and "Elizabethan". I much prefer earlier Tudor styles to later Elizabethan ones. Eliz. looks fussy to me, whereas Tudor has much more graceful lines. Just a quirk of mine, I guess. =) --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 19:05:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27168 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:05:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA19900; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA12653 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA12627; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id SAA11857; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <370A8FF2.2CA4F3E2@hawkeswood.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:51:30 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ICG List , CostumeDC List , Hawkeswood Sewing Circle , F-Costume , H-Costume List , Ron Robinson , Marvin Bryant , Amanda Allen Subject: H-COST: ANNOUNCEMENT: Tackycon Rides Again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Warning: This announcement is being crossposted. Please don't be cross with me. Forward at will, but not to the same lists! Thanks! Now scheduled: Tackycon 1999 (http://www.hawkeswood.com/tackycon/index.html) "What the heck is a Tackycon?" Glad you asked. Tackycon is a relaxacon for costumers. It is generally scheduled for whenever the World Science Fiction Convention is held off continent. There is no pressure, no "official" schedule of events, usually a silly masquerade, shopping trips and lots of hanging out and socializing. Don't miss your chance to socialize and be silly with the silliest of us! Activities in the Works: Friday Night Barbeque & Roast The Great Langley Park Maryland Shopping Spree & Masacree The Silly Hat Contest The "Name that Mannequin" Competition Wading Pools-a-go-go And probably more, though we haven't thought of it yet. Win Fabulous Prizes! Watch Really Old Videotaped Costume-Con Masquerades! See Full Grown Adults Play in Wading Pools! The details so far are as follows: Dates: Friday, July 16 - Sunday, July 18, 1999 Location: Hawkeswood (Our House) in Lovely, Scenic West Laurel, MD Hotel: I need to know which venue people would prefer to use, and how many rooms will be taken, so I know how many to reserve. This information needs to be back to me as soon as possible. The two hotels being considered are: The Comfort Suites: Route 1, South of Cherry Lane Advantage: Near 10 trillion restaurants (Well, okay, 30 or 40...) Room Rate (unofficial): $85 plus tax Suites hold up to six per room including sleeper couch. Best Western Maryland Inn Route 198 and I-95 Advantage: Five minutes from Hawkeswood, right off I-95. In-house restaurant, cafe and bar. Room Rate (unofficial): $82 (10 rooms reserved) $79 (20 rooms reserved), $75 (30 rooms reserved) King or Double Double, Smoking or Non-Smoking, Indoor or outdoor entrance, some rooms overlook pool. I'll need to set the room block with the chosen hotel. I'd really LOVE a headcount/roomcount, if possible. Cost: $20 per adult attendee $10 per child under 12 Under 6 free (Fee to be used for supplies and stuff; possibly for room rental if we take a meeting room at the hotel of choice.) Disclaimers and other stuff: This event is being run (more or less) in conjunction with the Hawkeswood Sewing Circle, regularly scheduled for the third Saturday every month. For more information about the Sewing Circles, please send me email: (mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com) The house comes cat-enabled. He's a nice cat, but he does live here. Medicate accordingly. We don't have kids (yet), but lots of our friends do and the house is sort-of child proof. Plan accordingly. The main events may be held either at Hawkeswood or at the hotel, depending on the deal I can cut with them. Watch this web page for further details as they become firmer. Please feel free to distribute this information to whomever you think might be interested. And remember, this is supposed to be fun, dammit! How to Register: Send your Tackycon 1999 registration fee (US Funds only) with the following details to the address below: Tackycon 1999 P.O. Box 1044 Laurel, MD 20725-1044 301-369-3563 mailto:tackycon@hawkeswood.com Your First & Last Name: Additional People you are registering: Address: City, ST ZIP/PC: Phone Number: Email Address: Accommodations required (# of nights): (# of People): Arrival Date: Departure Date: (Note: This is for statistical purposes only! You will be responsible for making and confirming your own reservations, once a hotel room block has been established! Casa Hawkeswood has floor crashspace, but not for lots of people. The house isn't that big!) Dietary Restrictions/Accessability Issues: Anything you might like to do while you're here: Anything else you think I should know: Print this form and mail with your payment to the address above. Please don't send cash in the mail! This event is a Hawkeswood Production http://www.hawkeswood.com/tackycon/index.html Cheers! -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 19:36:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27342 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:36:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA26755; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA21044 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA21007 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:43:31 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id 6VZWa26971 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f00033e.243bf590@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:41:04 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: The Sound of Music To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/6/99 5:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oh_susannah@hotmail.com writes: << does anyone know or have an opinion of the late 1930s costuming in that movie? >> It is a Dorothy Jenkins 1960s fantasy. Only the nuns are dressed correctly. My advice is to ignore the film's costuming all together. Actually I just ignore the whole thing. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 19:47:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27402 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:47:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA28950; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA22407 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA22388 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA13207 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:23:56 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02442; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:33:29 +0930 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:33:21 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990406112734.01464db0@silverspin.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Karla Sexsmith wrote: > > -Poster: Karla Sexsmith > > Greetings everyone, > > I am looking for places to start with regards to researching late-period > (ie. 1400-1500's) French women's clothing (for SCA purposes). Does anyone > know of any books or websites that would be a good place to start? > That's a very broad time period during which costume changed quite a bit. How accurate are you looking to be? Do you want a quick overview of the whole period or a tighter focus on a specific part? When you say 'late- -period' do you really mean Tudor/Elizabethan eras? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 20:06:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27509 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:06:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA02265; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA25052 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA25033 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msmclean.interlog.com (209-20-12-69.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.12.69]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29177 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990406200938.2e8fc8e4@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: msmclean@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Marsha McLean Subject: H-COST: Alcega Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Marsha McLean - -Poster: "Hope A. Greenberg" WROTE: For any of you who have or have seen the Alcega book, can you tell us what kinds or garments are represented. From previous posts and from Arnold's books there seem to be at least three men's loose gowns and a lady's farthingale. What else is there? Mostly men's or some other women's? And what dates does it cover? It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: doublets, jerkins, cloaks, capes, loose gowns, hose of various types, venetians, etc. It was written in 1589 for the fashions of that year. It is especially useful for the variety of styles, there are several examples of everything. His cutting diagrams (taking the difference in fabric width into account) are very educational: I waste far less fabric now. Marsha Marsha McLean "Be yourself - it's who you do best" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 20:17:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27567 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:17:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA03524; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA25829 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithium.dowco.com (root@lithium.dowco.com [207.23.88.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA25815 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spirit (express-037.tch1.van.dowco.com [207.23.90.37]) by lithium.dowco.com (8.8.8/8.8.7/CF.6) with SMTP id RAA00178 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990406171047.006de6b4@silverspin.net> X-Sender: karla@silverspin.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:10:47 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karla Sexsmith Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990406112734.01464db0@silverspin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karla Sexsmith >That's a very broad time period during which costume changed quite a bit. >How accurate are you looking to be? Do you want a quick overview of the >whole period or a tighter focus on a specific part? When you say 'late- >-period' do you really mean Tudor/Elizabethan eras? I haven't really pinned my persona down to a specific time yet, so I was hoping to get a bit of an overview of that era... (and yes I know I'm sort of doing things backwards, but I'm not looking to limit myself to only garb from that era, I just want at least one outfit to match my persona)... the name I've chosen can be documented to as early as 1462, so I'm looking for something between there and about 1600. I think what I'm looking for would be more like during the Renaissance period, but France instead of Italy. Does that help? :) Karla _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 20:27:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27624 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:27:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA06188; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA28920 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA28902 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA11272 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:04:31 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02461; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:14:04 +0930 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:13:56 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990406171047.006de6b4@silverspin.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Karla Sexsmith wrote: > I haven't really pinned my persona down to a specific time yet, so I was > hoping to get a bit of an overview of that era... (and yes I know I'm sort > of doing things backwards, but I'm not looking to limit myself to only garb > from that era, I just want at least one outfit to match my persona)... the > name I've chosen can be documented to as early as 1462, so I'm looking for > something between there and about 1600. I think what I'm looking for would > be more like during the Renaissance period, but France instead of Italy. > > Does that help? :) Well it eliminates 50 years which is a start *grin* For pre-1500 I'd suggest "Mediaeval Costume in England and France" by Mary Houston. Unfortunately most of the stuff I can think of off the top of my head is English, and this is the period when French and English costume begin to differ. However, if you don't mind risking the differences you could try "A Handbook of English Mediaeval Costume" and "A Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century", both by some combination of Cunningtons. You can also look at books on memorial brasses (good for late 15th early 16th century England) or some of the late Books of Hours. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 21:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28048 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:45:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA15944; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA07170 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA07158 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15324 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, The Purple Elephant wrote: > For pre-1500 I'd suggest "Mediaeval Costume in England and France" by > Mary Houston. Unfortunately most of the stuff I can think of off the top > of my head is English, and this is the period when French and English > costume begin to differ. However, if you don't mind risking the > differences you could try "A Handbook of English Mediaeval Costume" and > "A Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century", both by some > combination of Cunningtons. You can also look at books on memorial > brasses (good for late 15th early 16th century England) or some of the > late Books of Hours. Let me take this ball and run with it. Yes, this is the period in which national differences became apparent. But so did art styles, which actually is a help when you're researching. Generally, for late 1500s and 1600s, each of the Western European cultures shone in a different medium. Brasses are almost exclusively English. Flanders produced superb portraits and other paintings. French costume is easiest to track through manuscript art and tapestries, and then paintings in the 1500s. Yes, you can find English manuscripts and paintings, and Flemish brasses and tapestries -- but if you want a general overview, go to where the bulk of the sources are. I'd head for a good library, preferably an older university library. Look in the catalog, under subject, for books on manuscript painting -- e.g. Harthan's _Books of Hours_ -- and anything on tapestries, and anything that says French art of the Middle Ages or the Renaissance or "Gothic" or whose title specifies one of your target centuries. Write down all the shelf numbers you find under these topics -- they'll come in clusters, as some books will be grouped with international, some with French art, and some by medium. Then head for the *oversize* shelves, and browse these numbers. Pull all the books with good color photos, and give preference to books that focus on France. After you've leafed through the ones that are exclusively French, your "eye" will be attuned to the styles in your range. In fact, before you start, get hold of Davenport's _History of Costume,_ which organizes art by century *and country*, unlike most costume books. The pictures are small and black-and-white, but many of the ones you find here you will see later, reproduced in the art books. You can use Davenport as your overall guide to fashion changes in this period, and the art books for a better view. It's best to avoid books that rely on re-drawings of art. I would also suggest avoiding books that focus on English costume until you feel *very* familiar with the French styles and can spot the differences. In the 1400s, the differences are often in headdress; in the 1500s, as clothing gets more structured, the English silhouette in general heads for a boxier, more angular look, while the French retains some curves. And, when you're looking at artwork, be suspicious by nature of anything worn by a saint, a goddess, or a historic queen. Often you'll find incredible and interesting costumes on these people, but if you never see the like on a *real* person, then it probably is at least partly the artist's imagination. Best sources are donor portraits (within religious paintings) and stand-alone portraits; illustrations of stories are often fine if the person being illustrated is a regular noblewoman, not a saint, goddess, queen, or supernatural figure. For non-noble dress, look at labors of the months, genre paintings, crowd scenes, etc. --Robin, in the midst of feverishly preparing a presentation on dress of the 1400s, and thus surrounded with slides of English brasses, Flemish portraits, and French manuscripts _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 22:00:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28127 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:00:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA17790; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA09020 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA09004 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11951 invoked from network); 7 Apr 1999 02:01:47 -0000 Received: from 38.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.38) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 02:01:47 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990406190844.43bf21e2@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 11:13 AM 04/07/1999 +0930, The Purple Elephant wrote: > >-Poster: The Purple Elephant > >On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Karla Sexsmith wrote: > >> I haven't really pinned my persona down to a specific time yet, so I was >> hoping to get a bit of an overview of that era... [snip] the >> name I've chosen can be documented to as early as 1462, so I'm looking for >> something between there and about 1600. I think what I'm looking for would >> be more like during the Renaissance period, but France instead of Italy. >> Does that help? :) >Well it eliminates 50 years which is a start *grin* >For pre-1500 I'd suggest "Mediaeval Costume in England and France" by >Mary Houston. Unfortunately most of the stuff I can think of off the >top of my head is English, and this is the period when French and >English costume begin to differ. However, if you don't mind risking the >differences you could try "A Handbook of English Mediaeval Costume" and >"A Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century", both by some >combination of Cunningtons. >You can also look at books on memorial brasses (good for late 15th early >16th century England) or some of the late Books of Hours. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Claire F. Clarke I do know of one book for French costume information, it's even *in* French . The book is "Le Costume Civil en France du XIIIe au XIXe Siecle" by Camille Piton, printed in Paris in 1926. I first saw this book in the UCDavis Shields Library; when I did find one to purchase (several years ago), it cost me $100. The book has many examples of original (not re-drawn) pictures, bas-reliefs, and sculptures (almost all the illustrations are in black and white, but the descriptions usually describe the colors if the originals were colored). The pictures are not only of noble or royal personages, but include many illustrations of peasants and merchants as well. It is well worth the trouble to try to get this book via ILL if your local university library does not have a copy. Bonne chance, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 22:38:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28329 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:38:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA21321; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11972 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA11962 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:37:13 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id 6WJRa23773 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:34:31 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: The Sound of Music To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I have to agree. I know people in theater costuming who worship the movie, and I could never figure out why. I think it's just dreadful. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 6 22:40:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28343 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:40:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA22242; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA12919 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA12900; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s0peladn (207-172-63-157.s157.tnt3.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.63.157]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19998; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904070245.WAA19998@smtp1.erols.com> X-Sender: penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Penny E. Ladnier" Subject: H-COST: Chat Room Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny E. Ladnier" We have another fun thing to do on The Costume Gallery, a live chat room that is devoted to Historic and Vintage Costumes. You can find it at http://www.costumegallery.com/chat/chat.html We hope in the future to have scheduled featured guests in the chat room. I am open for suggestions as to who you would like to have as a featured guest. So please send suggestions and why they should be featured. If you know how I may contact this person, please include this information. Depending on the success of the chat room, I might add more chat rooms in the many diverse areas of the costume and fashion industries. Later...Penny Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier The Costume Gallery Website http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 00:43:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29691 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:43:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA06575; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA26032 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA26021 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-52.radiks.net [206.29.243.54]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08644 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:50:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990406233333.00885c40@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:33:33 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Forming a costume guild In-Reply-To: <199904070010.SAA25064@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger FYI for those who were mentioning starting a costume guild: If you wish to form a chapter of the International Costumer's Guild, info may be found at: www.costume.org/about/HowTo.html This is the "How to Start a Chapter" page. The basic site is www.costume.org. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 01:11:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA30051 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:11:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA09376; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA28669 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA28663 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id OAA16798 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:49:48 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02538; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:59:21 +0930 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:59:14 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late-period French women's clothing sources? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Robin Netherton wrote: > actually is a help when you're researching. Generally, for late 1500s and > 1600s, each of the Western European cultures shone in a different medium. > Brasses are almost exclusively English. Flanders produced superb portraits > and other paintings. French costume is easiest to track through manuscript > art and tapestries, and then paintings in the 1500s. Yes, you can find Of course! *smacks head* How could I forget tapestries?! I've just pored over an entire book of them looking at c1500 clothing....*grin* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 03:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02304 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:05:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA17726; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA06011 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metz.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA06001 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hr-bronwyn (personnel-154.une.edu.au [129.180.96.154]) by metz.une.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA30919 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:01:50 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990407170557.00937c30@metz.une.edu.au> X-Sender: bclarke@metz.une.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:05:57 +1000 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Bronwyn Clarke Subject: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? In-Reply-To: <199903311354.GAA24201@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Bronwyn Clarke I have a whole afternoon and evening in Vienna, Austria in August in between plane flights. Does anyone know of any costume or textile museums in Vienna that I could visit? Thanks for any info, Bronwyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 05:38:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03326 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:38:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA24983; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 04:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA25833 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:45:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA25690 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-68-151.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.68.151]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id CAA02261 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370AC6DC.E054E704@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 02:45:54 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? References: <3.0.5.32.19990407170557.00937c30@metz.une.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings all, Bronwyn wrote: > I have a whole afternoon and evening in Vienna, Austria in August in > between plane flights. Does anyone know of any costume or textile > museums in Vienna that I could visit? Well, it's not exactly a costume or textile museum, but one of THE BEST art museums in the world is the Kunsthistorisches (art history) Museum in downtown Vienna. Many, many famous paintings are housed there: Bellini, Raphael, Titian, Tintoretto, Velazquez, Bosch, Durer, Cranach, Holbein, Breugel, Rubens, Van Dyck, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Gainsborough, etc. They have a collection of sculpture and decorative arts which features a number of tapestries (and the Cellini salt cellar). There are also collections of Greek and Roman Antiquities, Coins, Arms and Armor, and my personal favorite: the insignia, jewels, and vestments of the Holy Roman Emperor; i.e., the coronation robe, gloves, shoes, crown, orb, scepter, sword, etc. A full day isn't enough to see all of the good stuff that they have. Enjoy your trip, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 08:16:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04167 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:15:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA03163; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA29347 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA29342 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04233 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Wed, 7 Apr 99 8:23:30 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 99 8:23:23 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Men's wool shirts X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Regarding Margo's question about men's wool workshirts of the 1850's, there are countless photographs of working men, especially Gold Rush miners, wearing wool overshirts from this period.. Perhaps that is what Margo is looking for. These shirts had been around for some time, with many descriptions of sailors, express drivers, mountain men, soldiers, etc. wearing them in the 1830's and 1840's. They were an early "readymade" garment - mass produced in several sizes. Almost always they were either of red or blue wool, and pretty substantial. There are indications that some men did wear them next to the skin, while others undoubtedly wore "vests" (sleeveless undershirts, often, as Susannah points out, of wool, though linen and cotton were also used). But many of the photos and paintings of the day show a woolen shirt worn over a white cotton or linen shirt, the white shirt serving as an "undershirt." My impression is that often these woolen shirts served in place of a coat and waistcoat when working men, especially those far from home, lacked these. Thus you often see men in white shirts with cravats, with a woolen shirt worn over this. The woolen shirt's collar is unbuttoned to reveal about as much as a waistcoat would have shown of the white shirt front and the cravat. Unfortunately, no woolen work shirt seems to have survived in this country - well, at least no one seems to have found one yet. But a friend of mine, Jim Miller, has produced a small monograph on the subject of the woolen work shirts seen in Gold Rush photographs, and has even produced a pattern. It is speculative, but I've seen the shirts he has made from it and they look extraordinarily _right_ for the period. If Margo, or anyone else, would like me to send them the source for Jim's publications, I would be happy to do so. Just e-mail me directly. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >I'm researching men's working wear of the 1850's and I have questions about >undershirts. Since I've found a number of references to wool shirts, I >assume something must have been worn under them for cleanliness and comfort. >Was this simply an ordinary shirt in linen or cotton, or was there a >specific undershirt style? I have found mention of undershirts knitted of >merino wool, which I understand is soft enough to wear next to the skin. >Were these the norm, or was there something else? > >Margo >(Who STILL hasn't found her copy of the History of Underclothes) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 08:59:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04409 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:59:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA05899; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA02716 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f290.hotmail.com [207.82.251.181]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA02706 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 50642 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1999 13:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990407130456.50641.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:04:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: The Sound of Music Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:04:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > >-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > >I have to agree. I know people in theater costuming who worship the movie, >and I could never figure out why. I think it's just dreadful. >Ann Wass OK, Ok. I think it's because it was the first movie I ever saw, and I was about 4 years old. I thought Julie Andrews had descended straight from heaven, I had never heard such a voice. I still cry when she comes singing back over the fields to return to her beloved children. Sniff, sniff... I think the word that was used in the '70s to describe it was "schmaltzy." Thanks for your patience while I dip into the nostalgia bucket! Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 09:18:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04521 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:18:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA08030; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA04472 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA04456 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (blaoo.dot.rrnet.com [206.11.183.124]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15941 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:23:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904071323.IAA15941@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:23:11 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: Sound of Music & Elizabeth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Nostalgia time-- I remember standing in a loong line to get in to Sound of Music--I've never seen so many nuns in one place as were in that line! Saw Elizabeth last night--what a strange movie. But visually impressive--images keep fleeting before my eyes. The costume budget must have been amazing. Kim in ND, where spring has sprung, but that doesn't mean we won't get a blizzard yet. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 09:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04559 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:22:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA08607; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA04968 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f16.hotmail.com [207.82.250.27]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA04950 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 99114 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1999 13:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990407132747.99113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:27:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Corded Petticoat Refs. Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:27:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Hi Margo & all: Didn't get to search as much as I needed to last night re: corded petticoat colors, 1840s & 1850s refs, etc. in order to make a definitive answer; but I did find the following (all paraphrased): Corsets & Crinolines: 1850s -An English young lady comments to a friends how her laundress must think her "fast" for owning "two corded petticoats." This is in the same breath while describing the caged crinolines of another acquaintance. History of Underclothes: By the 1850s, petticoats were available in brilliant colors, especially scarlet. Petticoats are mentioned in the late 50s being described as "parti-coloured," which I assume must describe some sort of multi-colored fabric. All 1840s & 1850s underpetticoats were stated to be white, except for the outermost one, which might be embroidered elaborately, or even brightly coloured, or possess a coloured hem decoration or frill that showed when the skirts were lifted. Calico Chronicle (Betty Mills, Texas Tech Press): "By the 1850s, most women owned at least one red flannel petticoat." I found no references to corded petticoats being anything other than white. I found no references in this period to taffeta petticoats. I found refs to drill, starched cotton, linen, wool, and "longcloth," which is also wool. I did not get a chance to look again in The Workwoman's Guide; it's an earlier book, anyway (1839, 1840). Might mention petticoat colors, but I can't remember anything other than white from my previous reading. Overall observations from my reading last night: By the 1850s, corded petticoats by and large were falling by the wayside in favor of the crinoline, and the fact that wearing more did not increase the size of the bell at the hem of one's skirt; they would crush one another instead of holding out the skirts because of their weight. I could find no advertisements for corded petticoats in the 1850s, but plenty of ads for cages & crinolines. Also, I could NOT find anything which led me to believe red flannel, or any other colored fabric, might be used for a corded petticoat. As stated above, all corded petticoats in which color was mentioned, were white. This from culling all my early-mid diaries & journals (about 15), store advertisements, and a quick scan of my library. Hope this helps. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 09:48:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04696 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:48:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA12222; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA08455 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA08422 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:55:04 -0600 (MDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id 6EHSa07376 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92c4183b.243cbd97@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:54:31 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com Bronwyn asked- << I have a whole afternoon and evening in Vienna, Austria in August in between plane flights. Does anyone know of any costume or textile museums in Vienna that I could visit? Oh deary me, yes! Go to the Kunsthistorisches Museum at Burgring 5. They have all the coronation regalia of the old Holy Roman Emperors such as Roger II's 11th century Sicilian mantle which is stunning. Nancy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 13:38:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06088 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:38:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA19960; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA29767 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA29598 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com ([17.129.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29174 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:34:25 -0700 Received: from scv3.apple.com (scv3.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (mailgate2.apple.com- SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:34:18 -0700 Received: from [17.202.21.54] (decaga.apple.com [17.202.21.54]) by scv3.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22270 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:34:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199904071734.KAA22270@scv3.apple.com> Subject: H-COST: Museums in Vienna Date: Wed, 7 Apr 99 10:38:03 -0700 x-sender: gdecamp@shell12.ba.best.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Gail DeCamp To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gail DeCamp Depends what you want. For art, art, art and more art, go to the Kunsthistorisches. For spectacular examples of Imperial regalia-- clothing, embroidery, jewels, etc. etc, see the crown jewels collection. >I have a whole afternoon and evening in Vienna, Austria in August in >between plane flights. Does anyone know of any costume or textile museums >in Vienna that I could visit? > >Thanks for any info, > >Bronwyn "A journey of a thousand miles should not begin with a wet butt." -T. Kolar _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 14:43:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06503 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:43:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA02969; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16109 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16075 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UxMT-000Isx-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:43:40 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book In-Reply-To: <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net>, Merouda the True of Bornover writes > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >I'll stick me head on the block with ya. I believe many consider >"Elizabethan" to be Tudor. She *is* a Tudor. FWIW, Cynthia Trouble is, there's so much Elizabethan and so little Henry/Henry/Edward/Mary, us early Tudor types get our hopes up and then get disappointed again! Now, who can I confuse by calling very late 15th century "Tudor"? ;) Jean > >> (realizing I may have my neck in the guillotine for not making >> ***sure*** Tudor is the right word for "1560 to 1620"...:-) >> It's: >> Patterns of Fashion, The cut and construction on clothes for men and >> women c. 1560-1620. Janet Arnold 1985. ISBN 0 333 38284 6 The >> publisher of my copy is "M Papermac/DRAMA BOOK New York" but I'd do a >> search on ACSES or Bookfinder, someone else might be doing it now. >> >> Heather >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > >-- >Cynthia Long >Merouda the True of Bornover >Barony of Madrone >Kingdom of An Tir > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 14:44:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06512 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:44:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA03387; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16497 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hamachi.synopsys.com (hamachi.synopsys.com [204.176.20.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16484 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marathon.synopsys.com (marathon.synopsys.com [146.225.100.41]) by hamachi.synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19583 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synopsys.com (ca11.ca11.synopsys.com [146.225.39.5]) by marathon.synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23504 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abc (abc [146.225.39.106]) by synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22184; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990407115102.009d12c0@domo> X-Sender: lmeyer@domo X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:51:02 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com, h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Meyer Subject: Re: H-COST: clothing sources? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Meyer >From: Robin Netherton > >Let me take this ball and run with it. Yes, this is the period in which >national differences became apparent. But so did art styles, which >actually is a help when you're researching. Generally, for late 1500s and >1600s, each of the Western European cultures shone in a different medium. >Brasses are almost exclusively English. Flanders produced superb portraits >and other paintings. French costume is easiest to track through manuscript >art and tapestries, and then paintings in the 1500s. Yes, you can find >English manuscripts and paintings, and Flemish brasses and tapestries -- >but if you want a general overview, go to where the bulk of the sources >are. One of those really great ideas that seems so obvious once it's pointed out! Cool. Do you happen to know what areas of art would be good for Spain (at any century)? >And, when you're looking at artwork, be suspicious by nature of anything >worn by a saint, a goddess, or a historic queen. Often you'll find >incredible and interesting costumes on these people, but if you never see >the like on a *real* person, then it probably is at least partly the >artist's imagination. Best sources are donor portraits (within religious >paintings) and stand-alone portraits; illustrations of stories are often >fine if the person being illustrated is a regular noblewoman, not a saint, >goddess, queen, or supernatural figure. For non-noble dress, look at >labors of the months, genre paintings, crowd scenes, etc. I've heard this before and I'm curious about more detail. I haven't noticed anything really outrageous on a queen (or even a saint) in the Spanish paintings etc. I've seen so far, but they've mostly been in well-researched books devoted to costume, so presumably the authors weeded out these things. I can understand that they'd make up who-knows-what for saints (at least Biblical saints, or any other centuries-past figures) and goddesses and such. I'm mostly curious about what they'd imagine for queens, and why, and maybe if it was particularly common (or uncommon) for any particular country or time. Inquisitively, Halima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 14:53:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06601 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:53:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA04901; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA18034 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f32.hotmail.com [207.82.250.43]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA17979 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13811 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1999 18:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990407185803.13810.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:58:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Corset Survey: Before/After? Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:58:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Hi all, I have compiled the 8 responses I have received so far. It is heavily weighted towards the 1500s and mid 1800s. For a more representative view, it would be nice to have more 18th and early 20th c. responses. Age & size-wise, the responses vary nicely. I'll give it another week, and then forward the tabulations to the list. As I mentioned to each of the respondents, in case this wasn't clear in the original post (see below), I will only include numbers, no names or e-mails to protect identities. Susannah >From: "Susannah Eanes" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Corset Survey: Before/After? >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:11:04 PST > > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > >Kind readers of the list, > >A conversation off-list got me curious about something, so I thought I >would try to compile a private survey based on modern women who are used >to corseting on a pretty regular basis --say at the very minimum, at >least three or more times a month for at least four to five or more >hours at a time. > >If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me privately with >the following information: > >Your age range --teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and older >Your time period --1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, 1900s >Your modern-day size range --Junior/Petite, Medium/Reg. Misses incl. >Tall, or Queen >Your build --small, medium, or large-boned >Your overall muscle tone --soft, medium, or firmly toned >Your before corseting waist measurement standing erect with good posture >but muscles relaxed (not holding that tummy in!) measured on bare skin >Your after corseting waist measurement standing, laced comfortably for >normal activities (not to get into that ball gown!) measured over the >corset > >I will compile the numbers I get and post the results. The premise is, >that smaller, more firmly toned people cannot corset down and compress >the flesh as much as larger people with softer flesh, so they end up >with less of a difference between their before and after corset >measurements than larger people, who can usually have greater >differences before and after corset measurement. >I forgot where I read this and wanted to try and see if it holds up in >practice. > >Thanks for your willingness to participate! > >Susannah Eanes >The Tailor's Measure > >"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William >Morris >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 14:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06621 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:55:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA05434; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18705 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (smtp1-alterdial.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18688 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgjyi21118 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:01:42 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > -Poster: Jean Waddie > > In message <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net>, Merouda the True of Bornover > writes > > > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > >I'll stick me head on the block with ya. I believe many consider > >"Elizabethan" to be Tudor. She *is* a Tudor. FWIW, Cynthia > > Trouble is, there's so much Elizabethan and so little > Henry/Henry/Edward/Mary, us early Tudor types get our hopes up and then > get disappointed again! Now, who can I confuse by calling very late > 15th century "Tudor"? ;) > > Jean I'm with you, Jean! My pipe-dream project is to do a study of early Tudor fashion, starting with Elizabeth of York and working my way through up to Bloody Mary, making a gown for each distinctive style, in order to fully understand the evolution thereof. Not that I'll ever have the time to do this, but I can dream! =) --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 14:59:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06654 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:59:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA05542; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18850 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18843 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP133.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.197]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14450 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001001be8129$1d6122e0$c51bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: clothing sources? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:01:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >I can understand that they'd make up who-knows-what for saints >(at least Biblical saints, or any other centuries-past figures) >and goddesses and such. I'm mostly curious about what they'd >imagine for queens, and why, and maybe if it was particularly >common (or uncommon) for any particular country or time. I'll chime in here, having been to several of Robin's lectures. The classic example of this is the sideless surcote. If you took paintings at face value, you'd think sidelesses were being worn well into the 16th century. The fact is that they disappear in the scenes of regular people (that is, non-royalty) early in the fifteenth (if not before), being restricted after that to royal saints and queens. Some believe that the sideless continued on as a ceremonial garment. However, if you look particularly at the late examples, there are depictions of fabric doing things fabric couldn't possibly do and strange cuts and the like that lead one to believe that the artist could never have possibly *seen* a real sideless and was just working on the convention that a sideless was shorthand for "royal female saint" or "queen." If your queen or saint is wearing clothing whose cut you can confirm in contemporary depictions of regular people (even other nobles), you're probably OK. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 15:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06800 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:26:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA10138; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24289 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA24270 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p11.directcon.net [206.170.184.60]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08966 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:30:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:30:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904072030.MAA08966@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: The Sound of Music Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Just to show that even a primary source can be corrupt: My mother in law grew up in a similarly affluent military family during WWII, although in Germany, not Austria. She says that this movie is an exact picture of what her childhood was like! Of course, when you do a little more research, you realize that my mother in law is, while sweet, a total whacko, who has managed to convince herself that growing up in Nazi Germany was just like a Rogers and Hammerstein musical. Isn't research fun? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 15:59:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07142 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:59:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA15371; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA29140 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:00:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f171.hotmail.com [207.82.251.57]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA29134 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 39550 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1999 20:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990407200129.39549.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:01:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:01:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Some of my thoughts on the following --no flames here! >-Poster: LuAnnMason@aol.com > >I'm going to risk some flames, but here goes anyway.... I was very intrigued >by the patterns available from the Wisconsin State Historical Society, because >I know that the reproduction items from the Wisconsin Veteran's Museum are >first rate. But.... (you knew it was coming, right??? ;-) )" > >In a message dated 3/30/99 11:27:27 AM EST, hhdunlap@email.msn.com writes: > ><< They have a > pretty Period Impressions day dress of 1845 which is very > simple. > >In my OWN experience, Period Impressions patterns give you JUST that--a >general "Impression" of the period. If that's what you are interested in, >that's just fine, BUT for people who want more than just a general look, to >whom the construction details make or break an outfit, Period Impressions is >NOT the way to go. They basically use and redesign modern patterns, using >modern cutting and tailoring techniques. Unfortunately, patternmaking has >altered drastically in nearly 150 years, and you WILL NOT achieve a true >period drape or look using these patterns. It's a physical impossibility. >Their armscyes are too large, their seams are in the wrong places, and their >patterns are NOT placed on the grain consistent with originals. > I will wholeheartedly agree with your description of Period Impressions patterns. They will not give you an accurate silhouette, even if you know how to make adjustments to patterns. They are frustrating to work with, and look --well --frumpy. Even the men's stuff. I tried, between six and eight years ago, several. >>> Heidi's Patterns LD-1-WD shows an 1859 work dress which is > basically an updated bed gown over a petticoat. >> > >I haven't tried this specific one, but once again, modern cutting techniques >were used on almost every pattern of Heidi's that I have purchased over the >past 20 years. You will NOT get a true period fit or look using these >patterns. > Welll.... I can't say I agree wholeheartedly here. I haven't used the above-referenced pattern, so I can't speak to that. I have only used ONE Heidi Marsh pattern, the Constance Dress. It is a copy of an original work gown from California c. 1850 or so, and it is the best and most representative of this type of work gown available that I have found. I have measured and photographed at least five extant gowns from different parts of the US that are almost identical to the Constance Dress. Is it possible that she got one right? I have made this gown in every size, from 6 to 46, that it is available in. It is one of the most popular gowns I make. The gown looks nice whether you are UltraQueensize or miniscule. It is a front-button gathered bodice with a waist inset piece onto which a cartridge-pleated skirt is set. I have made it in calicoes, homespun cottons, solid wool/linen, & lightweight wool. The shoulderline drops correctly, the waist inset is flattering and, above all, the dress is Comfortable to Wear! I call it my "sweatsuit," and I wear it with two lightweight petticoats & sensible stays. It is the one thing I come home & crawl into when I've had a bad day. I love it. Now, I'll stop & let someone else speak... >Finally, if anyone on this list feels like I'm being overly critical and/or >picky, and is still interested in using Period Impressions or Heidi Marsh >patterns, please e-mail me privately. I have a whole stash, and I'll let >them go CHEAP. I won't use them, and won't pass them on to folks in my area >because they aren't historically accurate. They're gathering dust and taking >up room, and I don't want them. I think I have 4 or 5 ladies patterns, and >another 8 or 10 men's patterns. > >LuAnn in Washington State > LuAnn, I wasn't being critical. I have heard that Heidi's other patterns are difficult to use and often the pieces do not fit. I just had to take up for my favorite gown! If you want to e-mail me privately, please do. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 16:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07295 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:17:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA17833; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA04023 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA04013 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UyMm-0004VU-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:50:51 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Arnold's Tudor(?) book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message , Jessica Wilbur writes > >-Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > >> >> -Poster: Jean Waddie >> >> In message <370A80BD.E7993B7D@serv.net>, Merouda the True of Bornover >> writes >> > >> >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover >> > >> >I'll stick me head on the block with ya. I believe many consider >> >"Elizabethan" to be Tudor. She *is* a Tudor. FWIW, Cynthia >> >> Trouble is, there's so much Elizabethan and so little >> Henry/Henry/Edward/Mary, us early Tudor types get our hopes up and then >> get disappointed again! Now, who can I confuse by calling very late >> 15th century "Tudor"? ;) >> >> Jean > >I'm with you, Jean! My pipe-dream project is to do a study of early Tudor >fashion, starting >with Elizabeth of York and working my way through up to Bloody Mary, making a >gown for >each distinctive style, in order to fully understand the evolution thereof. Not >that I'll ever >have the time to do this, but I can dream! =) > >--Jessica Yo! I'll do the hats! (when I give up my job, my husband, eating, cleaning, etc :-)) -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 16:36:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07427 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:36:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA14006; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA28587 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA28565 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18791 invoked from network); 7 Apr 1999 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-206.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.206) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 19:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <370BD511.1ED8@mc.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:58:41 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: tapestry book? References: <199904071305.HAA02733@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather > Of course! *smacks head* How could I forget tapestries?! I've just > pored over an entire book of them looking at c1500 clothing....*grin* What book is this?? Sounds fascinating. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 16:43:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07477 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:43:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA22200; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA09164 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA09151 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p8.directcon.net [206.170.184.57]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16148 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904072148.NAA16148@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Fireman's shirt? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson What is the earlest date for those bib-fronted western shirts sometime's called "fireman's shirts"? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 17:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07876 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:38:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA01307; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA18944 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA18900 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:43:05 -0600 (MDT) From: LuAnnMason@aol.com Received: from LuAnnMason@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.7) id 6DMSa27158 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6cb2cd98.243d2aaf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:39:59 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: LuAnnMason@aol.com In a message dated 4/7/99 3:05:45 PM EST, oh_susannah@hotmail.com writes: << I have measured and photographed at least five extant gowns from different parts of the US that are almost identical to the Constance Dress. Is it possible that she got one right? I have made this gown in every size, from 6 to 46, that it is available in. It is one of the most popular gowns I make. >> Ahhh--I have not tried THIS particular Heidi Marsh pattern. She does a men's shirt that goes together like a dream, and other stuff that I wouldn't use to kindle the fire. I'll have to give the Constance dress a try! :-) Thanks for the clarification--guess I swung my tarred brush a bit too wide on that one! ;-) LuAnn Mason Vancouver, WA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 18:11:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08061 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:11:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA08171; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA25393 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA25371 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-169-87.pq.ca.ibm.net [129.37.169.87]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14036 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:15:44 GMT Message-Id: <199904072215.WAA14036@out1.ibm.net> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:12:09 -0400 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: re: clothing sources X-Mailer: Hilary Doda's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hilary Doda >I can understand that they'd make up who-knows-what for saints >(at least Biblical saints, or any other centuries-past figures) >and goddesses and such. I'm mostly curious about what they'd >imagine for queens, and why, and maybe if it was particularly >common (or uncommon) for any particular country or time. Well, if you take a look at the "Rainbow Portrait" of Queen Elizabeth, there are a number of very strange things. Her neckline is very 17th century, but even beyond that, the ~whatever-it-is~ that she's wearing on her head is definitely not your usual Elizabethan hat. Hilary Doda/Joane Steward ********************************************** "Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." - Steph Brochu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 18:50:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08271 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:50:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA15233; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA02516 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA02493; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA24277; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:25:51 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02691; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:35:23 +0930 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:35:16 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: tapestry book? In-Reply-To: <370BD511.1ED8@mc.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, heather wrote: > > -Poster: heather > > > Of course! *smacks head* How could I forget tapestries?! I've just > pored over an entire book of them looking at c1500 clothing....*grin* > > What book is this?? Sounds fascinating. Argh! It was a French book, can't recall the title (took it back to the library the other day. Hang on I'll check the catalogue quickly... Aha! "Chefs-D'Oeuvre de la Tapisserie du XIVe au XVIe Siecle" No more info is listed in the catalog, but I think it was a museum publication. It does have a few tapestries from earlier and later but most of them date c1500. Most of the piccies are black and white, but they have quite a few colour plates and lots of close-ups that cause you to dribble on the page and say 'How the hell did they make these things so detailed?' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 20:35:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08930 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:35:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA02240; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA17051 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop3.inreach.com (root@mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA17044 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-41-177.stk.inreach.net [209.142.41.177]) by pop3.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13983 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: <370BF88C.7BE08361@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:30:04 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Subject: H-COST: Sacramento Area Costume Guild (to be) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H Dear Sandy, Thanks for the info on how to start a chapter of the International Costumer's Guild! I was looking at the web page and found out that to start a chapter all you need a little dedication, an organizer, and six people to sign the petition to form the group. I was wondering if people in the Greater Sacramento area were interested in this? This includes Davis, of course (I know there are a few of you on the list who live out there.....) Not that I am volunteering myself to organize everything, but I will certainly help out because it would be nice to get together with other costumers and chat about this and that. So if you are interested, please respond to my e-mail and I will try to compose a list of us and maybe get things off the ground. Thanks for the bandwidth! Diana from Roseville, CA -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 7 21:21:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09182 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:21:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA08230; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA23228 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy.netwizards.net (qmailr@Proxy.NetWizards.Net [206.99.115.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id TAA23222 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17369 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 01:34:07 -0000 Received: from bayarea56k422.netwiz.net (HELO slave) (208.164.208.22) by proxy.netwizards.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 01:34:07 -0000 Message-ID: <370C05A7.7937@netwiz.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:25:59 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? References: <92c4183b.243cbd97@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com > > Bronwyn asked- > > << I have a whole afternoon and evening in Vienna, Austria in August in > between plane flights. Does anyone know of any costume or textile museums > in Vienna that I could visit? > > Oh deary me, yes! Go to the Kunsthistorisches Museum at Burgring 5. They > have all the coronation regalia of the old Holy Roman Emperors such as Roger > II's 11th century Sicilian mantle which is stunning. > Nitpicking, or possibly an interesting sidebar. If Roger's mantle is the one I'm thinking of, it is a Mamluk piece, probably made in Egypt or Syria. It's red and gold and has lions, a palm tree, and some other animal. Susan F. Might there be some kind of museum in Vienna that would showcase the work of the Wienner Werkstatte?? Active from about the turn of the century up to WWII, I believe. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 03:24:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16618 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:24:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA17249; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA27378 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA27373 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-70-236.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.70.236]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id AAA10183 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370BF922.CEFFE209@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:32:37 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? References: <92c4183b.243cbd97@aol.com> <370C05A7.7937@netwiz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings all, > Nitpicking, or possibly an interesting sidebar. If Roger's mantle > is the one I'm thinking of, it is a Mamluk piece, probably made > in Egypt or Syria. It's red and gold and has lions, a palm tree, > and some other animal. That's the one. It's a semicircle with a tree of life up the center and a lion on top of a camel reflected on either side. The ground is red silk embroidered with gold thread and crusted with gold filigree, precious stones and pearls. The Cufic inscription in Arabic around the hem states that the robe was made in 1133/4 by Arab artists for Roger II of Sicily. > Might there be some kind of museum in Vienna that would showcase > the work of the Wienner Werkstatte?? Active from about the turn of > the century up to WWII, I believe. I might be confusing them with the Blaue Reiter, but they were undoubtedly shut down by the Nazis in the early 30's. I don't know of a museum in Vienna, but you'd undoubtedly find a lot of their work in the Neue Pinakothek in Munich. Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 08:45:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18678 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:45:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA05352; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA19931 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA19926 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06003 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07875 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Corded Petticoat Instructions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed I wanted to thank the person who posted the URL for the bbs that had the message on making a corded petticoat, and also to let y'all know that I've put the instructions up on a webpage of their own at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/cordpett.html From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 09:43:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19017 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA11521; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA26215 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA26208 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:49:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.7) id 6QQNa27151 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f2963e1.243e0de0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:49:20 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com In a message dated 4/7/99 1:28:31 PM Central Daylight Time, gdecamp@best.com writes: > For art, art, art and more art, go to the > Kunsthistorisches. For spectacular examples of Imperial regalia-- > clothing, embroidery, jewels, etc. etc, see the crown jewels collection. > I'd like to add my two cents worth - do not miss the crown jewels collection! And allow several hours - they ran me out five minutes after closing time, and I'd go again. It is much more than jewels. You'll drool over the christening gowns encrusted in pearls and see silk/gold embroidery on liturgical garments so fine it may change your mind about a historical basis for using gold lame (though probably not!) It's in a building to the side at the Imperial Palace (Hofburg.) If you're interested in men's clothing, I'm told the Military Museum is great for 18th-19th century. Our group split, and I chose the Kunsthistorisches. Take a sketchbook to the K, and be sure to wander the side galleries as well. Wish I could go back! Priscilla Schmitz _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 11:32:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25774 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:32:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27011; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA15857 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA15836 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.A52504D0@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <370CDBB9.47F7@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:39:31 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega References: <1.5.4.16.19990406200938.2e8fc8e4@mail.interlog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg Marsha McLean wrote: Re: the Alcega book > It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, > loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: etc. Thanks! (Or maybe I should say "Oh No!!!") You just moved it from my "should buy" to my "must buy" list. - Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 11:36:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25808 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:36:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA28522; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA17169 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA17152 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:44:09 -0600 (MDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.7) id 6CGKa28464 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b28020e.243e28a3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:43:31 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com Hello, Susan. << Nitpicking, or possibly an interesting sidebar. If Roger's mantle is the one I'm thinking of, it is a Mamluk piece, probably made in Egypt or Syria. It's red and gold and has lions, a palm tree, and some other animal. Yes, that is the mantle. All the references I have on it, including those from the Kunsthistorisches Museum, indicate that the mantle was made in the workshops in Palermo which Roger started after his conquest of Sicily. The workmanship is definitely Islamic (and stunningly beautiful it is, too). Roger pulled many many weavers and other artisans to Palermo from the eastern Mediterranean. What is very interesting, to me at least, is that brocaded tabletwoven band around the bottom. Sicily was apparently the place were this northern European technique went east, one of the very few textile techniques to not go from east to west. <> I just looked through "The Cambridge Guide to the Museums of Europe". Lots of great museums in Vienna, but I didn't see any reference to the Wienner Werkstatte specifically. May I suggest that you find the Austrian Embassy on-line and make inquiries through them? Good luck! Nancy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 11:45:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25869 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:45:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA00185; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18587 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA18568 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:52:10 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.12.76] (hrfr-sh10-port76.snet.net [204.60.12.76]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id LAA17462 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904081552.LAA17462@smtp.snet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:52:30 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <370CDBB9.47F7@uvm.edu> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net >Marsha McLean wrote: >Re: the Alcega book >> It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, >> loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: >etc. M'lady, could you please post the details on this book? And also, I wonder, what is the time-span the patterns are drawn from? Elysant de Holtham _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 13:43:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32607 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:43:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA22061; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA09127 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA09093 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 83966 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 1999 17:45:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990408174558.83965.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:45:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: H COST: seamstresses & buttonholes Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:45:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >>In the books, it was Laura, not Mary, who worked in town by doing piecework >>sewing. As I recall, she worked one summer, mostly making buttonholes at a >>dry goods store > >Laura Ingalls Wilder (the author, not her character) helped support her >family with sewing when she wasn't teaching school. After her marriage, she >helped raise the money needed to move and buy their farm by sewing. She was >very proud of having once made sixty shirt buttonholes in one hour. My mind >boggles at the idea of doing a handworked buttonhole in one minute, (or at >all, but that's me) but her daughter says she did do it. > >Margo Anderson > Late reading old mail... this was so interesting! I have to brag on my better half a bit. With about a year's worth of practice, he has learned to do wonderful handworked buttonholes that mimic exactly those on 18th c. tailored mens' frock coats. He uses various weights of pearl cotton, silk twist, or linen thread, whatever is called for by the garment. He can do 20 tightly embroidered buttonholes, approx. 1 1/2" to 2" long, in about two hours. Yes! 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Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 13:59:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32703 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:59:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA23482; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA11033 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hummer.tci.net (hummer.tci.net [209.19.4.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA11005 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a (c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.4.53.172]) by hummer.tci.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 2CZ5SN9X; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:55:42 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01be81e9$35b88200$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:56:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Pine To: Franchesca Havas Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 9:37 AM Subject: Re: book inquiry :You can order the book, "Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca" by Juan de Alcega (Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589) via phone, fax, email, mail, or the order form on :our web site. It is $40.00 and should be in our warehouse within the week. ISBN but it is 0-89676-234-3. : :Thanks for your interest. : :Ralph Pine :Quite Specific Media Group Ltd., 260 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10001. (212) :725-5377 v. (212) 725-8506 f. www.quitespecificmedia.com. Imprints: Drama :Publishers, Costume & Fashion Press, By Design Press, Jade Rabbit, :EntertainmentPro :_______________________________________________________________________ :rpine@quitespecificmedia.com :_______________________________________________________________________ : Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: snowfire@mail.snet.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega : :-Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net : : :>Marsha McLean wrote: :>Re: the Alcega book :>> It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, :>> loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: :>etc. : :M'lady, could you please post the details on this book? And also, I wonder, :what is the time-span the patterns are drawn from? : :Elysant de Holtham : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 14:05:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA32748 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:05:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25225; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA12874 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA12862 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p8.directcon.net [206.170.184.57]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20523 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:04:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904081904.LAA20523@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: H COST: seamstresses & buttonholes Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson A >I have to brag on my better half a bit. With about a year's worth of >practice, he has learned to do wonderful handworked buttonholes that >mimic exactly those on 18th c. tailored mens' frock coats. He uses >various weights of pearl cotton, silk twist, or linen thread, >whatever is called for by the garment. He can do 20 tightly >embroidered buttonholes, approx. 1 1/2" to 2" long, in about two >hours. Wow! He's a keeper, all right! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 14:38:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00228 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:38:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA01140; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA18186 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA18135 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dkenton (camb0104.capecod.net [209.244.244.104]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id OAA02441 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:40:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990408143835.00700044@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:38:35 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: H-COST: NYC Museums Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Donna Kenton If memory serves, this was recently discussed, and I don't want to bog down the list with it again. However, it looks like I'm going to have a full week in NYC to look at costuming and needlework. Oh, I'm a happy camper! If someone can kindly tell me how I can find the old posts on NYC museums and their costuming/needlework, I'd be most appreciative. Or, if you have a particular museum you'd recommend, please send the info to me. The more research I get done before I go, the more I can get accomplished in that week. Thanks! Donna Kenton donna@dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 18:19:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02029 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:19:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA07446; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA02868 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA02840 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p12.directcon.net [206.170.184.61]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16338 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:21:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:21:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904082321.PAA16338@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: *sigh* Need a web site Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 03:18 PM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Brandy Dickson" > >I am looking for the farthingales webpage that sells corset and boning >supplies. Farthingales is at: www.farthingales.on.ca/ If you're in the US, this URL is for a currency converter that will help you figure out the prices: http://www.xe.net/currency/ Have fun! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 18:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02257 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:55:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA14006; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA10095 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA10084 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (fraidy.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.194]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01062 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904082302.SAA01062@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:02:05 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: *sigh* Need a web site In-Reply-To: <004101be820d$be153840$0300a8c0@direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" http://www.farthingales.on.ca phone 519-275-2374 At 03:18 PM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Brandy Dickson" > >I am looking for the farthingales webpage that sells corset and boning >supplies. I recall that the list had put it up a while ago, but I can't >find it in my old postings... I was wondering if anyone had the url, 'cause >my attempts have failed... > >Thanks, >Brandy Dickson > >P.S. If you want to e-mail me privately, that's fine. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 20:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02898 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:50:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA26904; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA25409 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA25388 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msmclean.interlog.com (209-20-45-125.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.45.125]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA06078 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990408205558.2edf5224@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: msmclean@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Marsha McLean Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #264 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Marsha McLean >- -Poster: Hope Greenberg > >Marsha McLean wrote: >Re: the Alcega book >> It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, >> loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: >etc. > >Thanks! (Or maybe I should say "Oh No!!!") You just moved it from my >"should buy" to my "must buy" list. > >- - Hope > _______________________________ So I should hope! _ Marsha McLean "Be yourself - it's who you do best" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 21:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02985 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:06:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA28932; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA27067 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA27053 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:12:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Tigershado@aol.com Received: from Tigershado@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6KZEa20624 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c0c7a59.243eada8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:11:04 EDT Subject: H-COST: Speaking of art books... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Tigershado@aol.com I just saw a book on Hans Holbein over on eBay. It's listed as a 1999 advance review copy with 268 illustrations. Sounded interesting, but I'm between jobs so I don't dare bid on it. In case anyone's interested here's the URL. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=86061321 Barbara Corley tigershado@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 8 22:13:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03442 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA07493; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA04060 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy.netwizards.net (qmailr@Proxy.NetWizards.Net [206.99.115.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA04050 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1999 02:24:53 -0000 Received: from bayarea56k600.netwiz.net (HELO slave) (208.164.208.200) by proxy.netwizards.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 02:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <370D6305.A75@netwiz.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:16:37 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Museums in Vienna? References: <1b28020e.243e28a3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > > I just looked through "The Cambridge Guide to the Museums of Europe". Lots > of great museums in Vienna, but I didn't see any reference to the Wienner > Werkstatte specifically. May I suggest that you find the Austrian Embassy > on-line and make inquiries through them? Good luck! > > Nancy Thanks, Nancy, but unfortunately I'm not the one going to Vienna! Just offering a suggestion. The Werkstatte (which means workshop, I think) was the Viennese equivalent of the Arts & Crafts movement and wanted to bring the beauty of good design to every aspect of daily life. They designed furniture and upholstery fabric, tea kettles and china. But most importantly they designed *clothing* and *shoes*. Gustav Klimt even designed a dress or two. There have been several books about the workshop, but not enough pictures of clothes. Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 01:07:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05375 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:07:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA29703; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA22043 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA22030 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wanda (pa-ppp25.hevanet.com [204.119.60.110]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA03934 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega info and reply to Snowfire Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8247$7155f460$59a8b4d1@wanda> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wanda Pease" Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589 Translated and reproduced from the Spanish original (first published in this year, so _everything_ in the facsimile is "period" by definition. The publication date gives you a hint at to what "period" the patterns are from), Juan de Alcega. Facsimile (means exact duplicate, in this case photographic), with translation by Jean Pain & Cecilia Bainton, Introduction and notes by J.L. Nevinson; Ruth Bean, Carlton, Bedford Originally published as _Libero de Geometria practica y traca, etc. in the city of Madrid (Spain).The facsimile of the original volume is contained in the first 90 pages or so. The last 66 pages consist of the patterns reproduced exactly (4 to a page) with English translations of Senor Alcega's notes, and conversion tables. It is a pattern book: "Dealing with all that concerns the profession of Tailor, in order to know how much woolen cloth, silk or other material will be needed to make many kinds of clothes both for men and for women; and many other secret and curious facts concerning this Art. Compiled by Juan de Alcega of the Province of Guipuzcoa and of the house of Alcega. Dedicated to the most illustrious Senor Tejada, Bachelor of Arts, of the Supreme Council of our lord the King. Seen, examined and licensed. Printed in Madrid at the house of Guillermo Drouy Printer of books in the year 1589" (original foreword) (What a Tailor in Spain, practicing his craft in the year 1589, would/should know.) "The republication of this work after nearly 400 years, though absorbing, has been neither swift nor easy. The initial plan to produce a straight facsimile reprint was soon expanded by the addition of a translation aimed primarily at the costume maker but, because of the obscurity of many of the old Spanish terms and Alcega's sometimes sketchy instructions, several difficult textual problems arose. The solutions required much original research and sustained detective work, both here (i.e. England) and abroad, before a text making practical sense could be produced and backed by authoritative notes." This edition could not have been produced without the help of the Victoria and Albert Museum, London, who permitted the reproduction of their extremely rare copy of the book. " (Ruth Bean's Foreword to the Facsimile) I count 79 original patterns in all (all of which are reproduced in the second, translated section of this edition of the book. They range from mens and women's doublets of silk and wool, to cloaks (plain, Herreruelo, Bohemian, Balandran, christening and Clerical in silk, cloth, and felt), jerkins, Christian and Moorish cassocks, Bishop's Mantle and amice, cloth and "Florentine cloth rash), Chapter mantle for Knight Commanders of the Order of St. John, soutanes,Turkish and Spanish morning gowns of silk and cloth, Spanish and Roman gowns of silk and cloth, Learned mens gowns, Saddle trappings for jousting, Burnous for the game of canes, skirts (narrow and large) Kirtles for children, women, fat women, with low cut bodice, two kirtles of cloth rash cut together, Skirt and bodice with puffed sleeves, Laced mourning coats for women, Silk farthingale for a woman, baize gown for a girl, Gowns of silk and cloth for a woman, Mantles of silk, kersey, and cloth for women and girls, War Banner of taffeta. Each pattern comes with a short explanatory paragraph by the author, translated in the second section. These are not Simplicity directions. The patterns worked wonderfully for me once I figured out what in the world was going on. Some pieces are not marked as to what they are. Several do not look anything like what we expect, with back collar pieces cut in one with the back piece, curved shoulder seams, lack of a back armscye on full backed pieces. Sleeves are not set in the modern manner, the seams come off the inside of the arm rather than at the arm pit. Skill working with modern patterns may actually be a liability. The patterns do seem to be to scale. The book does not include things a Tailor would not make, i.e. corsets, hose, and surprisingly slops, netherhose, whatever. Recommendation: even if Elizabethan (or Philippians in this case) isn't your "thang", get this book! Senor Alcega was a master at getting the most out of every piece of fabric that came his way, and the cutting diagrams will give you a feel for the way earlier costumes were cut. Also, this book is unlikely to be available for long. It appears to be a private printing, for a small audience (I know, we may not be mighty in numbers, but our hearts are pure!). Before this came up I was ready to Xerox a copy for a friend because it was unobtainable even though book searchers. I suspect this will be the case again in a year! Regina Romsey, OL, OP, and old used Viscountess :You can order the book, "Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca" by Juan de Alcega (Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589) via phone, fax, email, mail, or the order form on :our web site. It is $40.00 and should be in our warehouse within the week. ISBN but it is 0-89676-234-3. : :Thanks for your interest. : :Ralph Pine :Quite Specific Media Group Ltd., 260 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10001. (212) :725-5377 v. (212) 725-8506 f. www.quitespecificmedia.com. Imprints: Drama :Publishers, Costume & Fashion Press, By Design Press, Jade Rabbit, :EntertainmentPro -----Original Message----- From: snowfire@mail.snet.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega > >-Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net > > >>Marsha McLean wrote: >>Re: the Alcega book >>> It has patterns for many styles of men'sand women's dress: round gowns, >>> loose gowns, kirtles, petticoats, mourning gowns, many many things, mens: >>etc. > >M'lady, could you please post the details on this book? And also, I wonder, >what is the time-span the patterns are drawn from? > >Elysant de Holtham > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 01:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05540 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:31:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA02624; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA24491 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www0x.netaddress.usa.net (www0x.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.53]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id XAA24480 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:38:20 -0600 (MDT) From: griffinhold@usa.net Received: (qmail 17073 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 1999 05:33:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409053352.17072.qmail@www0x.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.53 by www0x via web-mailer(M3.0.0.45) on Fri Apr 9 05:33:52 GMT 1999 Date: 8 Apr 99 23:33:52 MDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Vienna X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.45) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA05540 Status: O -Poster: griffinhold@usa.net Hello; For the person with time in Vienna, you should know that the HRE garments as well as the Golden Fleece vestments are in the Treasury, not the Kunsthistoriches. Same area, just different building and separate entrance price. Also, there was a display of late 1800's and 1900's clothing at the Museum of the City of Vienna as of Christmas time when I was there. Hope this helps and have a wonderful time! Lyn Gillespie ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 09:29:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12745 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:29:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA07319; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA04413 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA04406 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (ip232.denver23.co.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.5.232]) by wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29458 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370E0294.307891F4@costumemag.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 07:37:26 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith Organization: Costume & Dressmaker Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alcega info References: <01be8247$7155f460$59a8b4d1@wanda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mary Denise Smith Hello List, Please note that English/European purchasers can get the Alcega book on amazon.co.uk Search under "Alcega". Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 09:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12759 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:31:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA08015; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA05165 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA05154 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13012 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <015301be828e$9ca3cce0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Question... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:41:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Is there any way to "cheat" on button holes? My machine is an old upholstery machine, so I have to do button holes by zig zagging and hoping it hits right. Is there a guide sold or a cheat or anything? The piece I am doing now is an order for someone and is made out of silk essence, so I really don't want to screw up the button holes since pulling stitches out of silk essence destroys the fabric. Thanks! Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 09:53:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12877 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA10170; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA08072 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA08050 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-246-177.s558.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.177]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03406 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601be82ab$48b9b0a0$b1f67ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Question... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:06:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > >-Poster: "Sarah Toney" > >Is there any way to "cheat" on button holes? My machine is an old >upholstery machine, so I have to do button holes by zig zagging and hoping >it hits right. Is there a guide sold or a cheat or anything? There is a great guide sold, usually in the notions section of your fabric store. It's kind of like tape that has markings for the standard button sizes in different colors. It easily comes off most of the fabrics I have tried. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 11:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08373 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:12:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA23035; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22190 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.250.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA22165 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20657 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1999 15:19:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409151943.20656.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:19:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fireman's shirt? Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:19:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have seen these double-buttoned bib front shirts in photographs of Confederate soldiers during the war; can't recall right now what year but I will look again tonight. I believe they were initially issued for military use. Will check carefully on that though. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Fireman's shirt? >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >What is the earlest date for those bib-fronted western shirts sometime's >called "fireman's shirts"? > >Margo > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 14:33:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14926 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:33:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA26498; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA29989 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f131.hotmail.com [207.82.251.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA29966 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18581 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1999 18:39:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409183927.18580.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:39:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: marquise_de_pompadour@gmx.net Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1880s skirt drapery Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:39:26 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Did you get an answer for this? Because I did not see your prior post, I am not certain of the source for your pattern. If it is a late 1880s Harpers Bazar or similar magazine, I have quite a few of these originals, including the original engraved illustrations and the cursory directions. I have even made a bodice, a child's dress, and a man's vest from the patterns. I also have a wonderful misses' hunting/shooting outfit that I would love to attempt, but haven't had the time just yet. >From your post below, I would think that the drapery is at half- scale. All of my copies are also at half scale. 8 - 10 yards is about average for skirt drapery in the 1880s, so 7 meters is not out of the question. The x's usually marked the places to fold the dots to. Assymetrically draped fashions abound in the 1880s. E-mail me back if you think I can help. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >From: Pompadour >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: 1880s skirt drapery >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:02 +0000 > > >-Poster: Pompadour > >hi list, > >i sent this earlier but didn't get my more pressing questions answered, so i'm >trying again... > >i have only a sketch of the drapery pattern. according to it,  it's about a >metre wide and 3.5 metres long and completely asymmetric. am i looking at half >of the pattern, or is the drapery really supposed to be asymmetric - and 7 >(seven!) metres long? > >as for the draping technique: i honly have a numberof little x'es and dots to >mark the folds. does anybody on this list know enough about draperies to >interpret it and maybe even imagine what the finished drapery would look like? >the illustration of the finished  garment is missing as well. >(there was a reply that the pattern was only a guideline - well, ok, but i >don't even know how to use the guideline. because i don't know where it >leads.) > > >thanks in advance.... >yo > > > >marquise_de_pompadour@gmx.net - www.costumegallery.com/pompadour/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 14:57:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15079 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:57:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA01290; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA03518 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host1.texramp.net (root@host1.texramp.net [209.144.20.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA03502 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LocalHost (hydroseal.com [209.144.20.50]) by host1.texramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07144 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:59:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904091859.NAA07144@host1.texramp.net> From: "Sterling Ranne" To: Subject: H-COST: Fabric Search Engine... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:03:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sterling Ranne" Once upon a time someone posted a link to a fabric search engine. I thought I had saved the link but can't find it now. Tried a couple of things in Yahoo and still can't find it. Could someone please send me the link? Thanx Sterling _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 15:18:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15206 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:18:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA04477; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA07812 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA07805 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14287 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1999 19:24:23 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-177.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.177) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 19:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <370E7201.5907@mc.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:32:49 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Water-spotted silk s.o.s! References: <199904091339.HAA05179@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather ('Scuse crossposting, please) I have a shiny-ish silk Japanese haori (jacket) that got water spots on it when I steam ironed it and the iron "spit up" - I almost had it to someone when they noticed the spotting and pointed it out to me (I hadn't realized it, but was obvious if you look at it from the right direction.) Any suggestions? Thanks, Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 15:36:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15298 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA06502; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA10032 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA10022 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-167-76.pq.ca.ibm.net [129.37.167.76]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA71698 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:38:07 GMT Message-Id: <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:34:38 -0400 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Silk floss X-Mailer: Hilary Doda's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hilary Doda Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time finding anything suitable in Montreal. Joane Steward. ********************************************** "Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." - Steph Brochu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 15:48:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15361 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:48:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA08504; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA12345 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA12313 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (vcn2.pm3-2.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.240.71]) by sight.vcn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ED575F51B9; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> References: Conversation <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> with last message <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 13:54:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA15361 Status: O -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Just off-hand, I got some Madeira silk floss from Nancy's Notions; don't have the address handy, alas, but a quick web-search for the name will get you there, and you can order on-line as well as request a catalog. I think it was .99 cents US per 4yard, 4-strand package. Liadain > Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk > embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on > a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time > finding anything suitable in Montreal. > > Joane Steward. > > ********************************************** > > "Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." > - Steph Brochu > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 15:58:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15413 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:58:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA10305; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA14406 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA14391 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p16.directcon.net [206.170.184.65]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19064 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:02:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:02:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904092102.NAA19064@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Water-spotted silk s.o.s! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I have a shiny-ish silk Japanese haori (jacket) that got water spots on >it when I steam ironed it and the iron "spit up" - I almost had it to >someone when they noticed the spotting and pointed it out to me (I >hadn't realized it, but was obvious if you look at it from the right >direction.) Any suggestions? > If the copnstruction is such that you can wash it, that would be your best bet. It might change the appearance of the garment slightly in terms of color and sheen, but it's better than spots. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 16:00:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15427 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:00:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA10748; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA14770 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA14750 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15517 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00fd01be82c4$c6f99980$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:08:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" If I recall, DMC sells silk floss in several colors. I'm not sure where they are, but craft stores sometimes have it, and I'm sure a quick search of the internet will turn them up. Sarah >Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk >embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on >a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time >finding anything suitable in Montreal. > >Joane Steward. > >********************************************** > >"Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." > - Steph Brochu > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 16:01:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15441 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:01:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA11244; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA15308 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA15285 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:26 -0600 (MDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6VSAa05267 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4cf80660.243fb84f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:08:47 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_4cf80660.243fb84f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com --part1_4cf80660.243fb84f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? >> Try some of these mail-order companies. Good luck. Nancy --part1_4cf80660.243fb84f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="SUPPLI~1.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="SUPPLI~1.TXT" SUGGESTED LIST OF SUPPLIERS 1. Aurora Silk, 5806 North Vancouver Avenue, Portland, OR 97217 (503) 286= -4149 - silk threads 2. Beggar=92s Lace, P.O. Box 481223, Denver, CO 80248 (303) 722-5557 lace= lady@rmii.com - silk, linen, cotton threads 3. Bob Patterson, P.O. Box 424, Orinda, CA 94563 (925) 943-5243 - silk, l= inen, and cotton threads 4. Books in Transit, 2830 Case Way, Turlock, CA 95382 (209) 632-6984 - out= -of-print books 5. 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Box 334, Lawrence, KS 66044 (800) 468-0035 - square car= dboard tablets, shuttles, warping pegs, books --part1_4cf80660.243fb84f_boundary-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 16:03:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15455 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:03:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA11254; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA15310 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA15296 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deb (ip21.bel-d16.nwlink.com [209.20.184.21]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15634 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Deborah von Seggern" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Silk floss Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be82c4$dfecedc0$15b814d1@deb.sea.wamu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah von Seggern" You might also try Things Japanese. They specialize in silk threads and silk dye. Here is the contact info: (425) 821-2287 Deb in Redmond, WA (soon to be Mountlake Terrace) > -----Original Message----- > > Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk > > embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have > information on > > a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time > > finding anything suitable in Montreal. > > > > Joane Steward. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 18:22:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16314 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:22:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA05117; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA15221 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA15202 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup331.serv.net [207.207.70.224]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA26641 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004a01be82d8$446ea000$e046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:28:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Threadneedlestreet. They have a web page and you can order long distance a couple of different ways. The URL is: http://www.threadneedlestreet.com I've not ordered from them, but I hear that their stock of merchandise is yummy enough to require a drooling bib. Gia/Giacinta -----Original Message----- From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: H-COST: Silk floss > >-Poster: Hilary Doda > >Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk >embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on >a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time >finding anything suitable in Montreal. > >Joane Steward. > >********************************************** > >"Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." > - Steph Brochu > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 18:34:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16409 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:34:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA18720; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA21514 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA21486 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p16.directcon.net [206.170.184.65]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22175 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904092143.NAA22175@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-cost: Early Levi's Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson I've been researching early Levi's, and I've found a lot of information on the Web. One of the most interesting sites is Hamilton Dry Goods at: http://www.hamiltondrygoods.com/old73s.html They actually own a pair of 1870's Levi's, which they have taken a pattern from. they make replicas, to which they will make the necessary alterations (no rivets and no back pockets) to make them suitable for 1850's wear. I'll be ordering a pair for my husband soon, and I'll let you all know what I think of them. One question I haven't been able to answer, though, is this: Levi Strauss made his original pants out of brown tent canvas. According to my research, during this period "brown" could mean unbleached, as in natural colored cotton such as unbleached muslin or some of the "green" cotton colors available today. So, were Levi's brown as in the color brown, or were they brown as in "natural cotton color"? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 18:42:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16458 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:42:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA08599; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA18957 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA18941 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24167 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370E830F.C26E1D9@serv.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:45:35 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss References: <004a01be82d8$446ea000$e046cfcf@gia-g> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Oh yes indeed. I am fortunate to be able to actually shop there in person. They are as good as they appear, the owner is a gem. Satisfied costumer, Cynthia > Threadneedlestreet. > http://www.threadneedlestreet.com > > I've not ordered from them, but I hear that their stock of merchandise is > yummy enough to require a drooling bib. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 19:05:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16650 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:05:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA11358; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA21608 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hamachi.synopsys.com (hamachi.synopsys.com [204.176.20.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA21593 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marathon.synopsys.com (marathon.synopsys.com [146.225.100.41]) by hamachi.synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14846 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synopsys.com (ca11.ca11.synopsys.com [146.225.39.5]) by marathon.synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18224 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abc (abc [146.225.39.106]) by synopsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26554 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990409160400.00a06640@domo> X-Sender: lmeyer@domo X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:04:00 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Meyer Subject: Re: H-COST: Water-spotted silk s.o.s! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Meyer I had that identical problem with a silk noil/wool mix jacket. I didn't want to wash it, due to some trim on it, but I wetted the non-trim part thoroughly in lukewarm water and let it drip-dry. Almost all of the spots (and there were a *lot* of them) went away. I suspect that repeating it would get rid of the one or two that were left. Good luck! Lynn (Halima) >From: heather > >I have a shiny-ish silk Japanese haori (jacket) that got water spots on >it when I steam ironed it and the iron "spit up" - I almost had it to >someone when they noticed the spotting and pointed it out to me (I >hadn't realized it, but was obvious if you look at it from the right >direction.) Any suggestions? > >Thanks, >Heather > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 19:14:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16698 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:14:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA13614; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA23662 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA23653 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from claude.excite.com ([199.172.152.181]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990409231728.BPMH22687.tracker@claude.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:17:28 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Early Levi's Message-Id: <923699850.24170.583@excite.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:17:30 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" *snip* > One question I haven't been able to answer, though, is this: Levi Strauss > made his original pants out of brown tent canvas. According to my research, > during this period "brown" could mean unbleached, as in natural colored > cotton such as unbleached muslin or some of the "green" cotton colors > available today. So, were Levi's brown as in the color brown, or were they > brown as in "natural cotton color"? If I recall the tale correctly, Mr. Strauss made his first pair of this kind of trouser our of some sailing canvas. I would assume this would be natural, not dyed (though possibly faded). I'll see if I can locate my source for this over the weekend, but don't hold your breath! ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 19:17:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16717 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:17:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA13687; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA23710 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA23699 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from speedy.excite.com ([199.172.152.78]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990409231740.BPNK22687.tracker@speedy.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:17:40 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Early Levi's Message-Id: <923699861.27460.331@excite.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:17:41 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" *snip* > One question I haven't been able to answer, though, is this: Levi Strauss > made his original pants out of brown tent canvas. According to my research, > during this period "brown" could mean unbleached, as in natural colored > cotton such as unbleached muslin or some of the "green" cotton colors > available today. So, were Levi's brown as in the color brown, or were they > brown as in "natural cotton color"? If I recall the tale correctly, Mr. Strauss made his first pair of this kind of trouser out of some sailing canvas. I would assume this would be natural, not dyed (though possibly faded). I'll see if I can locate my source for this over the weekend, but don't hold your breath! ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 19:47:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16878 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:47:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA18200; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA28244 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.jps.net (smtp4.jps.net [209.63.224.57]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA28238 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.199] (209-63-113-199.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.199]) by smtp4.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25879 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904100756.AAA25879@smtp4.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:42:36 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Early Levi's From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Levi Straus & Co. maintain a library in their San Francisco office and have a very good librarian - whose name escapes me at the moment. She used to work for a costumer in Southern California. I am sure that she could answer your questions. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: "StitchWitch" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Early Levi's >Date: Fri, Apr 9, 1999, 4:17 PM > > >-Poster: "StitchWitch" > >*snip* > >> One question I haven't been able to answer, though, is this: Levi >Strauss >> made his original pants out of brown tent canvas. According to my >research, >> during this period "brown" could mean unbleached, as in natural colored >> cotton such as unbleached muslin or some of the "green" cotton colors >> available today. So, were Levi's brown as in the color brown, or were >they >> brown as in "natural cotton color"? > >If I recall the tale correctly, Mr. Strauss made his first pair of this kind >of trouser out of some sailing canvas. I would assume this would be natural, >not dyed (though possibly faded). I'll see if I can locate my source for >this over the weekend, but don't hold your breath! ;) > >Kate >---- >StitchWitch > >All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the >impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 9 21:04:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17307 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:04:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA27560; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA05788 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m16.boston.juno.com (m16.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.192]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05783 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7S923UD; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:05:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss Message-ID: <19990409.164805.4791.1.cley@juno.com> References: <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,9-19,21-25 From: cynthia j ley Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:05:17 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cynthia j ley Are you looking for flat or twisted? the reason i ask is because you can get a very nice, although very different, result with both! Twisted seems readily available in needlepoint shops around here (Portland, OR). Flat silk is locally available from Pastiche, e-mail pantinc@aol.com, ask for Foggy Bell or Aisha. It runs $6 a spool. It's the Japanese flat silk and is wonderful to work with. Let me know if you would like some hints with the stuff. It's a little touchy at first, but once you get the hang of it, you won't look back! Arlys Cley@juno.com On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:34:38 -0400 Hilary Doda writes: > >-Poster: Hilary Doda > >Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk >embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on >a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time >finding anything suitable in Montreal. > >Joane Steward. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 10 04:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24507 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:24:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA13220; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA08716 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA08707 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA23711 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Sat, 10 Apr 99 4:31:47 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Apr 99 13:55:20 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Fireman's shirts X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Regarding Margo's question about "fireman's shirts," when working on the Sutter's Fort Costume Manual, I was not able to find any pictures of men wearing wool shirts with plastrons (bibs) prior to the late 1840's. After that, they become pretty common through the late 19th century. Naturally, they were not specifically shirts for firemen, but were worn by working men of all kinds. What made them firemen's shirts is that by the 1850's we find fire companies in America, which were usually volunteers, wearing these shirts as a sort of uniform, often with the engine or company number appliqued onto the plastron. This was not the only kind of ornamentation these shirts saw. There are photographs from the Gold Rush of wool shirts that have been embroidered with flowers, vines, etc., and others that have little crossed picks and figures of miners embroidered all over them. These novelty shirts must have been produced either by the miners themselves or were perhaps manufactured for the market. The later "cavalry" shirt popular at the time of the Indian Wars on the Great Plains (late 1860's through 1880's) was, of course, just a blue, plastron-front wool shirt, often trimmed with the branch color. David _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 10 23:02:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA30112 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:02:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA06765; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA14843 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA14836 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port014.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.14]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA25767 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:09:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <370C11E5.186E4662@ndh.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 04:18:14 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: baroque mailing list X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Andrea Clef Hello everybody! Somehow I keep talking about other mailing lists here but I thought this might also be of interest to some of you: Maybe there are some people out here, who appreciate the time and style of the late Baroque in the 18th century... So I thought that I should tell you that I have just opened up another mailing list at onelist called "lumieres" dealing with every aspect of life in the 18th century, the age of enlightment. I founded this list together with a friend here in Germany, hoping that we will meet other people there who are interested in the topic and maybe also in founding an active group in Europe that organizes meetings in costume, period events, visits to museums etc. If you`re interested, I`d be glad to meet you on this list, if you`d like to know how to subscribe, just e-mail me privately. Everybody from all around the world is welcome! Many greetings, Diana _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 10 23:04:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA30123 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:04:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA16431; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA21694 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA21653; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904100958.DAA21653@indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Cornelia Rutherford Subject: Re: H-COST: Water-spotted silk s.o.s! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cornelia Rutherford Heather - I had this problem with a silk satin wedding dress a couple years ago and, after a stiff shot of scotch, I washed it.  Someone on the list has once commented that ironing while still quite damp helps restore the sheen.  I tried it and they're right.  It wasn't AS shiny or AS smooth as originally made but the result was still lovely and beat the heck out of water spots on a cathedral train.
Good Luck - Cornelia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 00:28:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31324 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:28:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA24197; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA19669 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA19662 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p2.directcon.net [206.170.184.51]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23665 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:33:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:33:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904110533.VAA23665@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Fireman's shirts Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson . There >are photographs from the Gold Rush of wool shirts that have been embroidered >with flowers, vines, etc., and others that have little crossed picks and >figures of miners embroidered all over them. These novelty shirts must have >been produced either by the miners themselves or were perhaps manufactured for >the market Oh, please tell me where I can find these photographs! I feel an embroidery project coming on... Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 00:40:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31389 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:40:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA25103; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA20606 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id WAA20600 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29459 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 04:42:37 -0000 Received: from 94.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.94) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 04:42:37 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990410215035.2ad756e4@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Susannah, Where can one purchase Heidi Marsh patterns? I'd like to get a copy of the Constance Dress pattern you recommended below. Thanks, Joan Jurancich Sutter's Fort, Sacramento CA joanj@quiknet.com At 01:01 PM 04/07/1999 PDT, Susannah Eanes wrote: > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" [snip]I have only >used ONE Heidi Marsh pattern, the Constance Dress. It is a copy of >an original work gown from California c. 1850 or so, and it is the >best and most representative of this type of work gown available that >I have found. I have measured and photographed at least five extant >gowns from different parts of the US that are almost identical to the >Constance Dress. Is it possible that she got one right? I have made >this gown in every size, from 6 to 46, that it is available in. It >is one of the most popular gowns I make. The gown looks nice whether >you are UltraQueensize or miniscule. It is a front-button gathered >bodice with a waist inset piece onto which a cartridge-pleated skirt >is set. I have made it in calicoes, homespun cottons, solid >wool/linen, & lightweight wool. The shoulderline drops correctly, >the waist inset is flattering and, above all, the dress is >Comfortable to Wear! I call it my "sweatsuit," and I wear it with >two lightweight petticoats & sensible stays. It is the one thing I >come home & crawl into when I've had a bad day. I love it. [snip] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 01:16:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA31849 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:16:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA28485; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA23042 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA23036 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:24:03 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6WWAa20339 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b8ac685.24418bc9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:23:21 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 4/10/99 9:20:13 PM Central Daylight Time, joanj@quiknet.com writes: << Where can one purchase Heidi Marsh patterns? >> I just did a websearch and came up with the following site. http://www.sft.org/jamescntry/heidi1.html Kelly Albrecht m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 08:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05391 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:02:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA18975; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA18577 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from michelle.cobweb.net ([208.130.82.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA18571 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (annex5p8.cobweb.net [208.130.82.54]) by michelle.cobweb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02225 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904111208.IAA02225@michelle.cobweb.net> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: Subject: H-COST: article Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:15:13 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE83F3.6C8994C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lloyd Mitchell" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE83F3.6C8994C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you folks haven't checked out the "Out of the East" report in the New York Times, on a current display in the Museum of the Fashion Institute of Technology in Manhattan, you might want to. It has to do with the influence of Chinese clothing on modern western fashion. Kathleen, who just costumed "The Good Woman of Szechuan", was greatly impressed. The site address is: http://www.nytimes.com/library/style/030899china-index.html. Enjoy - Lloyd Mitchell (for Kathleen) ------=_NextPart_000_01BE83F3.6C8994C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you folks haven't checked out the = "Out of the East" report in the New York Times, on a current = display in the Museum of the Fashion Institute of Technology in = Manhattan, you might want to. It has to do with the influence of Chinese = clothing on modern western fashion. Kathleen, who just costumed = "The Good Woman of Szechuan", was greatly impressed. The site = address is: =

http://www.nytimes.com/library/style/030899china-index.html.
<= br>Enjoy -

Lloyd Mitchell (for Kathleen)

------=_NextPart_000_01BE83F3.6C8994C0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 17:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08664 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:15:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA18508; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA04413 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA04402 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:21:47 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6ZBYa15519 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <120be5cf.24426c00@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:20:00 EDT Subject: H-COST: silk stockings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Can anyone on the list recommend a source for silk or silk blend stockings for women? I tried the Wintersilks Company, but they, understandably were sold out of the stockings (I guess they are truly a winter product.) Thanks. Ann Wass annbwass@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 19:29:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09497 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:29:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA02960; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA15834 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA15824 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:36:01 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6HQEa02488 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1912d8be.24428bb2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:35:14 EDT Subject: H-COST: foul weather gear To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com As I was slogging through the rain today in contemporary dress, I was wondering what proper foul weather gear during the Regency would have been? I'm mainly interested in women. Any ideas? Ann Wass annbwass@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 19:55:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09708 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:55:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA05073; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA17720 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hilly.apci.net (qmailr@hilly.apci.net [206.100.36.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA17714 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31490 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 23:53:54 -0000 Received: from pm3-4-213.apci.net (HELO trgaryo) (208.142.225.213) by hilly.apci.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 23:53:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3711362A.980@apci.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:54:18 -0500 From: PenDragon Organization: Olde Frame Cellar X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Linsey-Woolsey References: <199904112336.RAA15844@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: PenDragon My friend and I spin and weave. We heard there may be a market for handwoven linsey-woolsey fabric made from handspun wool. We also handweave scarves made from handspun dog hair and wool blend. Do you believe there is a market large enough for these items at colonial reenactments to make it worthwhile setting up a merchant's booth? Thanks for your opinion. Gary _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 11 19:57:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09723 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:57:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA06369; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA18588 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA18583 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990412000336.GEJW3300.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:03:36 -0700 Message-ID: <009c01be8478$3ca152e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: ruffs Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:03:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" How many of you make ruffs and how long does it take you to make one? How long have you been making them? I understand that you all may have more questions yourself and that is a good thing. I want to hear about all the experiences you all have had with ruffs. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 01:06:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12370 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:06:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA17186; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA27427 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id XAA27408 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27121 invoked from network); 12 Apr 1999 05:07:31 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-68.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.68) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 05:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <37119DBE.56D6@mc.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:16:14 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: silk stockings References: <199904112336.RAA15844@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather Anne, I have been trying to find silk stockings for over ten years. Garnet Hill no longer carries them, and a websearch turned up about ten thousand porn sites and nobody currently selling silk stockings. If Wintersilks carries them in the Winter that's a major step forward. The only other place I have ever found them is in Chinatown, and that was years ago. Carol Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 10:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19391 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:02:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA21862; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA07262 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA07222 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.26.96.209] (ip209.manchester2.nh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.96.209]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04731 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cahuff@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904112336.RAA15844@indra.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:20:01 -0600 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: carol huff Subject: H-COST: Re: Foul weather gear and oil cloth Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: carol huff Hi I'm looking for a source of oilcloth or waxed cloth. Is it still being made? And if not, any suggestions for DIY?? Thanks Carol Creative Clutter is preferable to Idle Neatness cahuff@mindspring.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 10:17:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19469 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:17:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22906; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA08598 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f273.hotmail.com [207.82.251.164]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA08592 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 44197 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 1999 14:21:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412142102.44196.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:21:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:21:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I bought all of mine from Amazon Dry Goods out of Davenport, Iowa. >From: Joan M Jurancich >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Heidi Marsh's 1850 Gown (was Wrapper variations) >Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:48:08 -0600 (MDT) > > >-Poster: Joan M Jurancich > >Susannah, > >Where can one purchase Heidi Marsh patterns? I'd like to get a copy of the >Constance Dress pattern you recommended below. > >Thanks, > >Joan Jurancich >Sutter's Fort, Sacramento CA >joanj@quiknet.com > >At 01:01 PM 04/07/1999 PDT, Susannah Eanes wrote: >> >>-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >[snip]I have only >>used ONE Heidi Marsh pattern, the Constance Dress. It is a copy of >>an original work gown from California c. 1850 or so, and it is the >>best and most representative of this type of work gown available that >>I have found. I have measured and photographed at least five extant >>gowns from different parts of the US that are almost identical to the >>Constance Dress. Is it possible that she got one right? I have made >>this gown in every size, from 6 to 46, that it is available in. It >>is one of the most popular gowns I make. The gown looks nice whether >>you are UltraQueensize or miniscule. It is a front-button gathered >>bodice with a waist inset piece onto which a cartridge-pleated skirt >>is set. I have made it in calicoes, homespun cottons, solid >>wool/linen, & lightweight wool. The shoulderline drops correctly, >>the waist inset is flattering and, above all, the dress is >>Comfortable to Wear! I call it my "sweatsuit," and I wear it with >>two lightweight petticoats & sensible stays. It is the one thing I >>come home & crawl into when I've had a bad day. I love it. [snip] > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 10:17:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19473 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:17:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA23412; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA09147 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f258.hotmail.com [207.82.251.149]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA09133 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 67679 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 1999 14:25:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412142509.67678.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:25:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:25:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have access to the inventory of an old store that contains, among other wonderful things, original late 18th - early 19th c. silk stockings & corsets in their original boxes. I don't know how they have stood up to the decades of being stored away in an unheated/uncooled store attic warehouse, but they sure look & feel pretty good to me. The owner is currently assessing these items for sale either in lots or as one whole. If anyone is interested in finding out more, please e-mail me privately. >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: silk stockings >Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:20:00 EDT > > >-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > >Can anyone on the list recommend a source for silk or silk blend stockings >for women? I tried the Wintersilks Company, but they, understandably were >sold out of the stockings (I guess they are truly a winter product.) >Thanks. >Ann Wass >annbwass@aol.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 10:39:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19599 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:39:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA26563; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12740 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f19.hotmail.com [207.82.250.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA12734 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27192 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 1999 14:46:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412144607.27191.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:46:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foul weather gear Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:46:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > >As I was slogging through the rain today in contemporary dress, I was >wondering what proper foul weather gear during the Regency would have been? >I'm mainly interested in women. Any ideas? >Ann Wass >annbwass@aol.com I find a nice wool cape with hood works wonders in most situations. It keeps you dry, and warm besides. The one I made is from referencing photographs of two originals c. 1805 - 1820 in private collections, references & descriptions from period sources, and ultimately altering Kathleen Kannik's cloak pattern, adding the hood & changing the line slightly. One of the period cloaks was of brown & blue printed cotton, and the other was wool. If the weather is too warm for wool, for a lady impression, I might consider a solid color cotton chintz or glazed cotton, and line it with lightweight silk. It sheds water to a degree, and would be appropriate in this period. True glazed cotton is available from Kathleen Smith's Textile Reproductions at about $12.00 a yard. I wouldn't use upholstery weight chintz, but a lighter dress weight, and make sure it doesn't have polyester in it to give it the glaze. It's harder to find, but I have found some at some specialty fabric stores. You might also look for a firmly woven lightweight wool, such as Exotic Silks sells for suiting. They have a really nice wool & silk herringbone twill that is nice & crisp & might do nicely, as it mimics period bombazine. It sells for about $12.00 a yard also. Just an idea, maybe others have better ones... Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 11:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19802 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:08:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA02435; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18635 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18621; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904121516.JAA18621@indra.com> From: "John Page" To: Subject: H-COST: aid, please Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "John Page" Good morning all, I come begging aid altering my old early Tudor gown -- I've not worn it in years and now discover I need two more inches around. Does any one know what a period alteration would look like? Alternatively, would it be accurate if I split the gown up the front and added a kirtle underneath? Any ideas and information are most welcome. Thanks, everyone, for you time, Kristin Page _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 11:14:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19836 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:14:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA03105; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA19272 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA19248; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904121519.JAA19248@indra.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This could be fun... This person wrote me and asked for help in dating some family photos by looking at their costumes. Maybe we all could help and take stab at it. Please reply back Chris, Martinez.Hain@worldnet.att.net the author of the seeker of this information. Later...Penny >I have a few "mystery photos" that have been in our family, and no one >knows who they are, except that they are family. I thought that if we >could 'date' the photos that might narrow down the possibilities. > >Could you help me date 3 photos based on the costumes the people are >wearing? > >The 3 photos are linked here: >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/mysteryrelatives1.jpg >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/mysteryrelatives2.jpg >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/MysteryCouple.jpg > >I'd appreciate even just a guess, give or take 10 years. Or if >you could refer me to someone who would know. > >Thank you Chris Hain Martinez.Hain@worldnet.att.net >P.S. For the record, my UNEDUCATED guess would be >mysteryrelatives1.jpg ----------maybe taken around 1900? >mysteryrelatives2.jpg ----------maybe taken around 1890? >MysteryCouple.jpg--------------maybe taken around 1880? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 11:14:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19840 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:14:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA03209; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA19351 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA19335; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904121520.JAA19335@indra.com> From: Kara Rodgers To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Buttons Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kara Rodgers As far as the Civil War goes, I know that the Union uniforms used brass buttons. They were manufactured in Waterbury, CT. Looking into what factories were producing might be a good way to prove that many buttons were made of things other than shell. Good luck, Kara _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 12:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20226 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:20:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA16624; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA02214 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA02201 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.58 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:26:49 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01be8502$1d521520$df0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199904121519.JAA19248@indra.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" No expert here, but my guess is: 1.jpg 1896-8 2..jpeg 1904 couple.jpeg 1840-60 I wish I had the time to research this one. What a fun puzzle! Don't you just love those shirtwaist sleeves in the 1.jpeg?? Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This could be fun... This person wrote me and asked for help in dating some family photos by looking at their costumes. Maybe we all could help and take stab at it. Please reply back Chris, Martinez.Hain@worldnet.att.net the author of the seeker of this information. Later...Penny >I have a few "mystery photos" that have been in our family, and no one >knows who they are, except that they are family. I thought that if we >could 'date' the photos that might narrow down the possibilities. > >Could you help me date 3 photos based on the costumes the people are >wearing? > >The 3 photos are linked here: >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/mysteryre latives1.jpg >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/mysteryre latives2.jpg >http://home.att.net/~martinez.hain/MYSTERY_photos/MysteryCo uple.jpg > >I'd appreciate even just a guess, give or take 10 years. Or if >you could refer me to someone who would know. > >Thank you Chris Hain Martinez.Hain@worldnet.att.net >P.S. For the record, my UNEDUCATED guess would be >mysteryrelatives1.jpg ----------maybe taken around 1900? >mysteryrelatives2.jpg ----------maybe taken around 1890? >MysteryCouple.jpg--------------maybe taken around 1880? ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 12:43:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20348 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:43:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA20003; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA06550 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [195.63.104.61]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA06514 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25440 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 1999 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from host.77.23.ixos.de (HELO jacomo) (149.235.77.23) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 16:47:55 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19990412184718.00a61700@pop.gmx.de> X-Sender: costume@gmx.net@pop.gmx.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:49:31 +0200 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "costume@gmx.net" Subject: H-COST: that book on late 16th c spanish tailoring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "costume@gmx.net" oh woe! i've lost the bibliographic details of that infamous book which has been discussed here... alcega, was it? something like it. could some kindly soul please send them to me off-list? thanks an advance! roxane _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 12:49:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20390 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:49:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA21889; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA08427 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mb06.swip.net (mb06.swip.net [193.12.122.210]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA08404 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [130.244.205.252] (dialup205-4-60.swipnet.se [130.244.205.252]) by mb06.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04368 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:57:06 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: md21199@dredd.swip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:37:12 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ninni Pettersson Subject: Re: H-COST: Finally FO! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ninni Pettersson Greetings! About a month ago, I wrote: > I was going to delay describing the finished result of my 1545 >Tudor Doll Project until I had at least one photo on the web > I hope to have at least one (not very good) photograph up on the >web in, at most, three weeks time. As usual for me, three weeks actually became almost five until I could fulfill my promise and get a photo up on the web. But now it's there, and you can all take a look at and tell me what you think of her. /Ninni Pettersson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 12:53:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20417 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22759; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA09424 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA09413 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03193 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:05:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Finally FO! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Lovely! Beautifully done! Emma On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Ninni Pettersson wrote: > > -Poster: Ninni Pettersson > > Greetings! > About a month ago, I wrote: > > > I was going to delay describing the finished result of my 1545 > >Tudor Doll Project until I had at least one photo on the web > > > I hope to have at least one (not very good) photograph up on the > >web in, at most, three weeks time. > > As usual for me, three weeks actually became almost five until I > could fulfill my promise and get a photo up on the web. But now it's there, > and you can all take a look at > and tell me what you think of > her. > > /Ninni Pettersson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 13:42:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20686 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:41:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA01535; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA19657 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA19644 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990412174846.XIKH9376.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3712321E.4F0AEFD1@home.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:49:18 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Finally FO! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Wow! I hope my daughter doesn't see this...she's sure to want me to make her one!! Which reminds me, I'd better see if *her* Tudor still fits for Ren Faire!! Kat suddenly *four* projects behind instead of three!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 14:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20827 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:01:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA06028; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA23741 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA23726 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (wild.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.216]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06757 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904121809.NAA06757@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:03:59 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: mystery photos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Great photos. I almost agree with Hope: 1. 1895-1900 2. 1901, or even earlier 3. 1860 or later--because these are old people, and not rich, their clothing might easily be 10 years out of date Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 15:38:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21492 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:38:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA22368; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA13765 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (pager.inreach.com [209.142.0.209]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA13718 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-12-121.stk.inreach.net [209.142.12.121]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id MAA13062 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37124C54.41998105@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:41:09 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: aid, please X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199904121516.JAA18621@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H John Page wrote: > -Poster: "John Page" > > Good morning all, > > I come begging aid altering my old early Tudor gown -- I've not worn > it in years and now discover I need two more inches around. Does any > one know what a period alteration would look like? Alternatively, > would it be accurate if I split the gown up the front and added a > kirtle underneath? Any ideas and information are most welcome. > > Thanks, everyone, for you time, > Kristin Page I do not envy you this endeavor! I had a similar experience with a dress where I had made the bodice and between starting it and finishing it, I had gained a few pounds back. I was using the Phoenix bodice pattern where the bodice was all one piece so there were no seam lines to fudge with. I ended up putting two strips of extra fabric in the back where the lacing goes and it worked okay for lacing, but it really threw the sleeve fitting off!! They flopped all over the place instead of sitting on my shoulders like they should. I know that the Jane Seymour portrait shows a flap in the front that is actually pinned in place with brass or gold straight pins indicating that there is a front opening. However, if you did this it may throw your sleeves off as it did mine. Hmmm....maybe add side seams and put the extra fabric there? As I said, good luck in this. I really can't think of a good way to do it. If you find one, please let someone else know because I am sure you are not alone in your problem. Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 16:48:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21905 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:48:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA06180; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:29:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA29618 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA29602 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:56:37 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6JJDa01910 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33189c0e.2443b7a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:55:05 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I would guess that 2.jpg is very early 1890s. I agree that 1.jpg is probably turn of the 20th century. Couple--probably 1860s. While there is some possibility that it could be much later, because they are older and not well-to-do, I think it more likely that they would have been wearing their very best clothes for the photographer, and there seems to be quite a bit of evidence that most people made an effort to keep up with fashion. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 17:04:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22051 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:04:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA09471; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA06743 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from naos.cc.umanitoba.ca (naos.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.122]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA06695 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from library (net138.lib.umanitoba.ca [130.179.164.138]) by naos.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA25636 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904122113.QAA25636@naos.cc.umanitoba.ca> From: "Linda Lassman" Organization: University of Manitoba To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:17:34 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk floss Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199904091938.TAA71698@out1.ibm.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Linda Lassman" Date sent: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:34:38 -0400 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Silk floss Send reply to: h-costume@indra.com > > -Poster: Hilary Doda > > Hi! A quick supply question. I am desperately searching for black silk > embroidery floss, for a blackwork project. Does anyone have information on > a company who manufactures/sells/mail-orders any? I'm having a hard time > finding anything suitable in Montreal. > > Joane Steward. > > ********************************************** > > "Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." > - Steph Brochu > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME "Mrs. Twitchett's Eye" in Winnipeg carries silk floss and I believe she has black in stock. She has a web page at http://www.mrstwitchett.mb.ca/ and she does mail order. And, being in Canada, there's no duty to Montreal! - Linda Lassman Winnipeg, MB _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 18:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22682 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:52:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA26736; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA04515 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA04483 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msmclean.interlog.com (209-20-12-51.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.12.51]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA20244 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990412185925.22e72098@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: msmclean@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Marsha McLean Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #268 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Marsha McLean -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Wrote: > >How many of you make ruffs and how long does it take you to make one? How >long have you been making them? I have been making ruffs, with ever evolving methods, for roughly 10 years. At first I used the method in Schultz and Savoy, but I have evolved that over the years. Currently I use a pegboard to hold even pleats in place and hand tack the band to the ruff along the top edge only. This leaves the ruff itself free to hang over the collar for the most authentic look. I have been studying ruffs in portraiture and woodcuts for many years, as well as wearing them under divers conditions. The time involved varies depending on the style, fullness, embellishment. To handsew a medium-full, plain ruff takes 2-ish hours. I can do it faster if i'm in the right mood. I'm currently working on a spectacular one. I use period starches with a technique developed fron a ruff article by poor, lambasted Janeet Arnold and a modern iron before the ruff is sewn. After it is assembled I use a curling iron to set it. Marsha > Marsha McLean "Be yourself - it's who you do best" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 19:13:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22809 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:13:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA29826; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA07956 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f305.hotmail.com [207.82.251.218]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA07936 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25468 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 1999 23:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412232008.25467.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:20:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: photo guesses Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:20:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Hi list, Here was my guess, that I sent to Chris. What do you think? Susannah >Dear Chris, > >From my studies of this period, I would guess that the clothing >itself dates as follows: > >1. 1895 - the height popularity of the huge leg-of-mutton sleeve, wide-brimmed boaters, bouffant hairstyles >2. 1888 - small boaters, very narrow shoulders, slightly gathered & high sleeve caps on blouses pre-date the leg-of-mutton sleeve explosion in 1893. Also shawl collars on men as well as women, which were not as popular after the turn of the century. Fashionable shoulders were wider after the turn of the century, too. >3. 1862-1867 - new-looking dress (shiny fabric, not worn-looking), but older style. Garibaldi tape trim on sleeve, waist still set higher than waistline, indicating a preference for the early 1860s placement. > >Now, bearing in mind that people may be wearing things a few years >out of date, especially as they get older or if economic factors >come into play (eg, hard times), the actual photos may not be this >old. I have seen photos which were definitely dated 1920, for >example, in rural North Carolina communities, in which the men and >women and children all wore clothing and haristyles which looked to >be from the late 1880s - early 1890s, and very conservatively cut, >at that. These may or may not have been an unusual time lag. >But this clothing is recognizable enough as pretty standard attire >for these years, which offered relatively fast & well documented change when compared to the earlier part of the century. > >Feel free to return e-mail me if you have further questions. > >Susannah Eanes >The Tailor's Measure > >"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." > --William Morris> _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 12 20:19:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23190 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:19:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA08979; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA17554 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.io.com (root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA17549 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as8-dialup-34.io.com [206.224.80.34]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12196 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199904130024.TAA12196@mx2.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:26:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" Now my curiosity is up. Since ya'll pin-pointed the dates, can you "explain" the clothing. The one of the old couple..........that dress COULDN'T be comfortable! Thanks, Amanda Texas ***************************************** > 1.jpg 1896-8 > 2..jpeg 1904 > couple.jpeg 1840-60 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 00:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25465 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:13:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA14716; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA18114 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA18102 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA20782 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3712C5AC.5F8431AD@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:18:52 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos References: <199904121519.JAA19248@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas For the first photo, given the size and sag of the sleeves, I would say late 1890's as the "sagging" look was popular then. The clothing looks too constructed and stiff to be past 1900, unless they were behind the times. The second photo is 1880's by the narrow shoulders, high sleeve caps and general "reinforced" clothing stiff look. I think the third photo is from 1869 or 70 because there isn't a definite hoop look and that was the time of the collapse of the full hoop and just before the very draped bustle look. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 01:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25917 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:07:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA20656; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA23556 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA23550 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:16:52 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.47.45] (hrfr-sh15-port45.snet.net [204.60.47.45]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id BAA03851 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904130516.BAA03851@smtp.snet.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:16:54 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3712C5AC.5F8431AD@mediaone.net> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net Hello the list! I have a couple of questions on 18th century costumes - in particular dresses. I'm talking about the dresses that had heavy skirts, and low necklines, fashionable about the mid-18th century, prior to the empire style. The kind of dresses which were worn with the powdered wigs, and the era of Marie Antoinette and Madame Pompadour. (I love this period! even though it's post SCAdian)! My questions are this. How were these dresses constructed? of what were they constructed usually, was it farthingales they had under them, and were the dresses made in one piece or two? I worked for a semester some years ago in the costume shop as part of a drama class in college and we made the costumes for "She Stoops to Conquer". They made the top separate to the skirt, and the two pieces hooked together to complete the outfit. I asked why, and the answer was that the skirts were too heavy to support the bodices, and therefore had to be separate. I'd always thought they were one piece before this. I have the book "Eighteenth Century French Fashion Plates" Edited by Stella Blum. The dresses look as if they are in one piece there! Anyone? Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 09:59:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00079 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA23565; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA06031 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA06018 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:06:57 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 6UIBa16622 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a396f68.2444a921@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:05:21 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mystery Family Photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/13/99 1:18:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, snowfire@mail.snet.net writes: << How were these dresses constructed? of what were they constructed usually, was it farthingales they had under them, and were the dresses made in one piece or two? >> The "open robe" was the dress of choice. This means it was put on like a robe...and closed in front. Due to the conical shape of the corset, the waist would meet or nearly meet & the bust would have a wider space between the front edges thus creating that characteristic "V" in front which was filled in with a stomacher. Stomachers could be decorated quite elaborately. In the 1770s, you see bodices cut so they close all the way down the center front with no stomacher. All the skirts were attached as the backs of the bodices were usually cut in one with the skirt...IOW with no waist seam. [at the beginning of the century, the fronts were cut in one as well] << I asked why, and the answer was that the skirts were too heavy to support the bodices, and therefore had to be separate. I'd always thought they were one piece before this. >> You were right. The "heavy" bit is a theatrical problem as very often upholstery fabrics are now used. The real gowns were made of lighter stuff. Indeed, the only reason I can find to hook & eye a skirt to the bodice of just about any period, is if the skirt opens in back & the bodice opens in front....even if the fabrics are heavy. The "open robe" is open all the way down the center front...to the hem, and a decorated, often matching petticoat was worn under the robe to show at the open front. This would have been a separate skirt but there's no need to attach it to the robe. Go rent "Dangerous Liaisons" and watch the opening credits closely. You will see all of this as they dress Glenn Close. You will also see the "panniers" [not farthingale] which hold the skirts out. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 16:42:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28655 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:42:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA06728; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA25438 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:49:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f130.hotmail.com [207.82.251.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA25423 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21176 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1999 20:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990413204803.21175.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:48:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: quilted waistcoats Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:48:00 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Who knows anything about gentlemen's quilted whitework waistcoats, c. 1720s - 1780s? In what context were they worn? Were they for dress or undress? Why do they all seem to have interior buttons that do not show on the outside? Reference www.museumofcostume.co.uk for good pics of examples (See items II.32.4, II.32.8, & II.32.34). There is also an extant just like this at SC Dept. of Archives & History. Any info would be helpful. Thanks! Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 18:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29465 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:50:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA27082; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:54:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA12951 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA12936; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904131954.NAA12936@indra.com> From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Need Fabric! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Dear List, I am in *desperate* need of 2 1/2 yards of 54" Charcoal Grey wool. I need it *yesterday*. If anyone has some & could sell it to me, or knows of a supplier who DEFINITELY has some in stock, please e-me right away --I have checked everyone I know & all over the net and everyone seems to be out! Help! Thanks in advance, Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 13 19:23:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29643 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:23:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA04344; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA24619 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA24590 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-67.intrepid.net [206.102.68.67]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA32129 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:28:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990413190812.007ca970@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:08:12 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: Need Fabric! In-Reply-To: <199904131954.NAA12936@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto Susannah, I have a large amount of very expensive charcoal grey wool. I was going to make a full length cape with it. Let me know privately if you want me to go measure, etc. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 03:11:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04666 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 03:11:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA26334; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA14587 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m4.boston.juno.com (m4.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.198]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA14571 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lanaeparris@juno.com) by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7582JCL; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 03:19:09 EDT To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:21:26 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #265 Message-ID: <19990414.022339.12094.0.LanaeParris@juno.com> References: <199904091339.HAA05179@indra.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6 From: "Lanae A. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 09:01:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06585 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:01:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA17242; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA10124 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA10111 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id JAA22252; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:02:53 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: New UK Re-enactors Magazine To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904140903_MC2-71D8-E5E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA06585 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson Revival is a new 32 page glossy magazine , which will be issued quarterly in the UK. I have a Agency for this mag & can do a yearly subscription for 12 pounds (four issues) including postage in the UK or US, if anyone is interested, let me know. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 09:19:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06706 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:19:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA19770; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA12814 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f208.hotmail.com [207.82.251.99]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA12806 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7233 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 1999 13:26:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990414132628.7232.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:26:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Old Mercantile Stock Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:26:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Dear List, The interest in this stuff has flooded my mailbox, as you can probably imagine. Here is the poop: Firstly, I cannot believe I typed "18th" instead of "19th" century, but I did, and that is an obvious mistake. The stock dates c. 1890s - 1940s. It includes several hundred pairs of unworn women's and children's shoes, incl. some very ornately beaded 20s pumps & early 19th c. ladies boots, in mint condition, still in the boxes. Wipe the drool off your chin, and keep reading. Late 19th c. corsets, including some with nursing openings, are also there, in original boxes, unworn of course. There are men's work clothing, mens & boys underwear, infants' and toddlers' dresses, millinery ribbon, lovely wood cabinets full of unsold silk thread, gloves, scarves, silk stockings, and other juicy stuff too numerous to mention. We have had interested buyers call from several very large international auction houses, as well as many private collectors and owners of vintage clothing stores. The stock has yet to undergo an inventory, we are still working out the details as to how that is to be done. Consequently, I do not have prices on any particular items. The owner is leaning toward selling it in (very) large lots, or the entire inventory to a broker or auction house. He wants to be sure he is not left with the "dregs," so to speak. During the inventory the most interesting & representative items will be photographed to be included in a packet describing in detail the inventory, incl. total numbers of items, that will be mailed to interested bidders. If you are seriously interested, please send me your snail address. I will see that a packet is sent to you. There is a strong possibility that I may bid on some of the items, and so if you are only interested in one or two items, you may e-mail me & let me know if you haven't already (I have a list of the people who have already e-mailed me & what they are interested in.) If I win one of the bids, I will, of course, share! Thanks for your interest, Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 15:10:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09511 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:10:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA21084; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA05567 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA05264 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-167-235.pq.ca.ibm.net [129.37.167.235]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA18778 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:32:08 GMT Message-Id: <199904141732.RAA18778@out1.ibm.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:28:39 -0400 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: black floss X-Mailer: Hilary Doda's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hilary Doda I'd like to thank everybody for your help.... armed with the company information and some caffeine, I managed to talk a local shop into ordering some for me. :) Now I know why I love this list.... Hilary Doda/Joane Steward ********************************************** "Good drama is like Soylent Green - it's made of people." - Steph Brochu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 23:22:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14229 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:22:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA13278; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA15616 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA15569 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-81.intrepid.net [206.102.68.81]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29817 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:29:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990414233040.007db760@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:30:40 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: Old Mercantile Stock In-Reply-To: <19990414132628.7232.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto Suzannah, My intersets are shoes, corsets,millinery ribbon. Keep me in mind. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 14 23:42:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14474 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:42:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA16935; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA03456 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA03426 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:51:04 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.10.69] (hrfr-sh5-port69.snet.net [204.60.10.69]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id WAA15947 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904150250.WAA15947@smtp.snet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:51:01 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: 18th century dresses To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2a396f68.2444a921@aol.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net Thank you! Elysant On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >In a message dated 4/13/99 1:18:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >snowfire@mail.snet.net writes: > ><< How were these dresses constructed? of what > were they constructed usually, was it farthingales they had under them, > and were the dresses made in one piece or two? >> > >The "open robe" was the dress of choice. This means it was put on like a >robe...and closed in front. Due to the conical shape of the corset, the waist >would meet or nearly meet & the bust would have a wider space between the >front edges thus creating that characteristic "V" in front which was filled >in with a stomacher. Stomachers could be decorated quite elaborately. In the >1770s, you see bodices cut so they close all the way down the center front >with no stomacher. All the skirts were attached as the backs of the bodices >were usually cut in one with the skirt...IOW with no waist seam. [at the >beginning of the century, the fronts were cut in one as well] > ><< I asked why, and the answer was >that the skirts were too heavy to support the bodices, and therefore had >to be separate. I'd always thought they were one piece before this. >> > >You were right. The "heavy" bit is a theatrical problem as very often >upholstery fabrics are now used. The real gowns were made of lighter stuff. >Indeed, the only reason I can find to hook & eye a skirt to the bodice of >just about any period, is if the skirt opens in back & the bodice opens in >front....even if the fabrics are heavy. The "open robe" is open all the way >down the center front...to the hem, and a decorated, often matching petticoat >was worn under the robe to show at the open front. This would have been a >separate skirt but there's no need to attach it to the robe. > >Go rent "Dangerous Liaisons" and watch the opening credits closely. You will >see all of this as they dress Glenn Close. You will also see the "panniers" >[not farthingale] which hold the skirts out. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 00:54:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15741 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:54:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA24680; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA10484 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA10451 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id AAA11129 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37156F94.CBA921C6@hawkeswood.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:48:20 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: [Fwd: H-COST: Alter Years] Handle with asbestos mailreader... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DA0FDDAC21C975C1FDE972C8" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DA0FDDAC21C975C1FDE972C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all! I have to apologize in advance for the following post, to anyone who is unhappy with me for having done so. I know the owner of AlterYears quite well, and was very surprised to see all the complaints posted on this list recently. I haven't ordered anything from them recently, so I can't say whether or not service has been bad, but I wanted Janet to be aware of what was being said about her company. I was especially concerned as I recommend using their services quite often to my friends. Janet asked me to forward her response, and this I am doing. Flames to me, not the list, please!!! Thanks, -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ --------------DA0FDDAC21C975C1FDE972C8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id AAA10926 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gary (ip203.pasadena3.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.85.203]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12630 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37156EA2.387E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:44:18 -0700 From: Janet Wilson Anderson Reply-To: janetanderson@earthlink.net Organization: AlterYears X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Betsy Delaney Subject: Re: [Fwd: H-COST: Alter Years] Handle with asbestos mailreader... References: <37028412.FF427BC5@hawkeswood.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betsy: Thanks so much for forwarding the AlterYears gripes to me. I am not on H-Costume at present,(I can barely keep up with my other mail)and so don't see these. If at all possible could you post the following to it from me? (and to any other forums that you see gripes on). Many thanks if you can!!! JanetWA ----------------- To Those who have been kind enough to let us know they've had problems with AlterYears... MANY THANKS!!! Your feedback is invaluable to me. I am the owner, and can only apologize profusely for the problems some of you have had with us as of late. We have been going through some difficult times due to the death of my husband - who not only was co-founder, but also our VP of Operations. We are a relatively small company and he left a VERY big hole. Some of our problems can be traced to trying to figure out the systems he built for us and expand them to deal with some increased volume. Things have gotten lost in transition, and there's still some sorting out going on. On the plus side, we have hired an additional staff member, who is getting the orders pulled more rapidly and we are getting caught up with our backlog. We are also trying to contact folks with old backorders as we can, in and around the regular store and mailorder business. As for the inventory stock-down, this is a rumor. It may have sprung from the fact that we don't order during the last two weeks of the year, right before we take inventory the first week of January. After we take inventory, we start stocking back up. That is, if our suppliers cooperate! One of our suppliers (for some of our most popular patterns, naturally) moved, didn't tell us and left no forwarding address. For three months we tried to track her down. Thanks to an email contact, we finally did so and are SLOWWLY getting patterns from her again, and filling backorders as the patterns trickle in. Another of our suppliers had heart surgery. Another sold her business, and the new owners are nearly impossible to deal with! A fourth lost her printing company, when it went out of business. These are the kind of things that make for backorders! Most of the companies we get our patterns from are one-man (or woman) operations, and are not the supplier's main line of work. Producing patterns and shipping to us are not always their highest priority. We do try very hard to keep a decent stock position on best sellers, suppliers permitting. But there are those times when 10 of you order the same pattern in the same week - one which no one has wanted in the past nine months....! As for the failure to answer questions and return phone calls, I'm glad to hear about it and will rattle some cages. We have been better in the past about this sort of thing, and I intend us to return to that level of service once more. Again, I appreciate hearing from our customers. We want to be your first choice for historical and speciality patterns, supplies and accessories. We will be trying to earn your trust again over the upcoming months. And if you don't get satisfaction with a problem after a couple of trys, write me directly- Janet Wilson Anderson at AlterYears - and I'll see if I can find out what's going on and get back to you. Thank you for your support and patience. Janet Wilson Anderson, owner AlterYears --------------DA0FDDAC21C975C1FDE972C8-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 01:08:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16049 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:08:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA26158; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA13967 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA13943; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-46.s46.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.46]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id BAA19186; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be86ff$4c4dc460$2e3daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "fantasy" Subject: H-COST: More Articles Added Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:17:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I have added some more articles to my Vintage Ladies' Home Journal Website, http://www.costumegallery.com/LHJ/Magazine.htm (this is the index to all the issues.) This time the articles are from June 1895 issue. The articles on the site from the 1895 issue are: ***Mourning and Its Usage (this covers about every member of the family, etiquette, fashions, fabrics, and stationary. BTW, the article states that mourning jewelry is not fashionable at this date.) ***Designs in Crochet and Tatting (these are complete instructions on how to make the designs. If you know someone on this type of email list, please past the URL on to them.) ***Just Among Ourselves (a letter to the editor, deals with what if an Egyptian woman had to wear an 1895 corset... ever heard of corset liver??? It is discussed in this letter.) ***Hints from the Dressmaker (this was a re-occuring advice column. These are different responses than the 1893 article.) Good news for my Vintage Ladies' Home Journal Online Site ... a museum and a private collector have offered their collections to place on the website. So this site will be growing over time. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 06:37:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22610 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:37:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA16170; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA12114 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA12044 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spry117883spry01.sprynet.com (hil-c52-004-vty176.as.wcom.net [206.175.118.176]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01600 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ed01be872d$0630eba0$8976afce@sprynet.com> From: "TC Carstensen" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: H-COST: Alter Years] Handle with asbestos mailreader... Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "TC Carstensen" Betsy Delaney wrote: >I have to apologize in advance for the following post, to anyone who is >unhappy with me for having done so. What's to apologize for? I appreciated hearing Janet Wilson's explanation about the problems. After having gone through some long streaks of major bad luck myself, I don't find it hard to believe that a lot of things beyond her control all happened around the same time (bad luck seems to attract more bad luck sometimes). And it does sound like she is doing her darnedest to correct the problems that are within her control. Heck, I may send in an order now just as a show of support. It's hard not to take advantage of an excuse to buy patterns! ;) TC Carstensen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 10:28:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22559 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:28:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA07208; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA06743 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA06655; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id KAA06186; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3715F60A.F389AB11@hawkeswood.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:22:02 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List , F-Costume , ICG List , CostumeDC List , TechnoFandom List Subject: H-COST: TACKYCON 1999 Clarification (Please delete if not interested!) References: <464ffb58.24473cb1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Sorry for the probable multiple posts and additional potential waste of bandwidth (if you're not interested, just delete this message...)! I guess I wasn't clear when I wrote the first message. All the Tackycon 1999 registration info is available on a web page attached to my web site, located at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/tackycon/ If you don't have access to the web, and you'd like more info, please send me email (mailto:tackycon@hawkeswood.com), and I'll fill you in. A couple of people already have asked about the "registration fee." Yes, I'm serious (if only because this way I can afford to a. Rent a room at the hotel for one night, b. Have a barbecue at my house, and/or c. Provide munchies to a bunch of wet, hungry costumers for the weekend! The rates are: $20 per person $10 per child under 12 Under 6 is Free There's a registration form on the web page, which has all the info I need to accept your money. Again, if you don't have web access (I know some of you don't), please feel free to email me and I'll fill you in. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of whatever you were discussing before this message..... Thanks! -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 10:37:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01124 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:37:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA07668; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA08012 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA07977 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19927 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 15 Apr 99 10:40:00 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 10:39:58 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Gold Rush items X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Regarding Margo's questions about early Levis, Mr. Shep has given her good advice about contacting the librarian at Levi Strauss. However, about the use of brown tent cloth for the originals, if that is what the originals were made from, then the fabric referred to was simply unbleached cotton duck, the kind of stuff you can buy for oil painting canvases. The Dick Blick catalogue I have has 11 oz. "wagon-cover" grade canvas, unprimed, for $5.95 a yard (36-inch wide) up to $14.99 a yard (84-inch wide). If that is not heavy enough for you, they even have 14 oz. canvas, which is pretty sturdy stuff. I would recommend that Margo be careful about trying to adapt 1870's levis to 1850's wear. Check the cut. By the 1870's, trousers were lower in the waist, tighter in the rear and leg than in the 1840's - '50's. Unless these 1870's levis retained a "retro" cut, you might be better off copying a pair of Gold Rush era trousers and making them up in canvas. I have studied a pair of brown- dyed, fly-front linen trousers in the Old Sturbridge Village collection that I think probably resemble work trousers of the period. I show these in my Sutter's Fort Costume Manual. If you talk with Jim Miller about his Gold Rush miner wool overshirt, you might ask his advice for copying men's trousers for this period. The blue wool pair I saw him in at Columbia were very good indeed. Margo also asked about embroidered wool shirts for the Gold Rush. These appear in any number of books on early photography. However, the source I have at hand is John Adams Graf "In Rags for Riches: A Daguerrian Survey of Forty-Niner's Clothing" Dress (The Annual Journal of the Costume Society of America) vol. 22, 1995, p. 64, figs. 13 and 14. Both of these pictures show the wool work shirt modified to look like a dress coat or jacket. One has a velvet collar with checked cloth lining to the lapels. Both have the overshirt's lapels spread out and pressed down so they look like a coat. I emphasize this because it is important to remember that embroidered shirts were for dress wear only. I have never seen them in a work context. I also mentioned the shirts covered with little figures of men, crossed picks and shovels, etc. On closer examination the other day, I realized that these were not embroidered but were resist-dyed. The white figures were blocked out with resist on the fabric, which was then dyed. When the resist is removed, you have white figures on probably red or blue fabric. What makes it clear that these are patterned cloth rather than embroidery is that the figures often appear upside- down on parts of the shirt (i.e. they will be rightside up on the bodice and upside down on the sleeve). This also indicates that they were mass-produced "ready-made" garments, intended for a certain market. One of the photos shows a wool shirt with figures of anchors on it. My guess is that shirts of this particular pattern were originally meant for sailors, but ended up in the Gold Rush because the market there was so desperate for clothes that they would have absorbed anything. To see these resist-dyed shirts, look at Drew Heath Johnson and Marcia Eymann _Silver & Gold: Cased Images of the California Gold Rush_ (University of Iowa Press and the Oakland Museum, 1998), pp. 3, 88. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 10:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11486 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:50:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA10005; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:57:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12810 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12794 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id KAA07024 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3715FA6B.EF733244@hawkeswood.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:40:43 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: AlterYears Fears... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Hi, all! About my apology: I'm on other lists (big surprise) and on one of them there was quite a fuss made when someone took complaints published to the list to the owner of the company. I was avoiding a possible flame war on this list. Glad to know I'm dealing with reasonable people! That said, I've ordered patterns in the past from AlterYears, and while I looked at the Amazon Drygoods catalogue, and they do carry a slightly different stock of other items, Janet's prices appear to be slightly better than AD's. And the AlterYears catalogue has been real handy for giving newbies who come to my sewing circles a chance to see what's available in patterns. Now, at last, a question... Have you made a bustle dress? Which pattern did you use, and would you recommend it again? (Pattern source could be either purchased tissue or book. I've got lots of reference material, but no clear idea of what to choose.) I bought a bustle from AY back at Costume-Con 12, and I have an itch to use it for some fantasy fabric I bought on spec a couple of years ago. (Looking for the right silhouette, even if the wrong fabric... I'm like that a lot.) Gonna try one of those Corsets & Crinolines corsets with the project, if I can get my dressform right. (Remember that discussion about Duct Tape Doubles? Mine's not right after all. Think I'm gonna make a cover out of it, and fit it properly, and stuff *it* with the stuffing instead of the original. Maybe that way it will work right!) Thanks! -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 10:57:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11563 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:57:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA11679; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16062 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA16029 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id KAA07384; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3715FCC7.96C87A1A@hawkeswood.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:50:47 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List , Janet Wilson Anderson Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: AlterYears] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EFE2F1FAA62FE34F3104F2FF" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EFE2F1FAA62FE34F3104F2FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded as requested! (Thanks, Ann!) -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ --------------EFE2F1FAA62FE34F3104F2FF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id IAA01212 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id tFVHa12394 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <192061c2.24473b93@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:54:43 EDT Subject: AlterYears To: betsy@hawkeswood.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Reply-To: AnnBWass@aol.com Please forward this, or summarize it, if you wish. Thanks you for giving us AlterYears' response. I just wanted you to know that I expressed my distress directly with them, not just to the list, or I tried to. They may never have received my communication, because I found that the e-mail address listed on their website was no longer current. I understand that dealing with the small pattern companies can be very frustrating. As I said to them, the most frustrating thing was the total lack of communication. I never did hear from my last fax asking to cancel my order, I guess because, by then, my merchandise was finally on its way--but, as it took two weeks for me to get it, a quick, "We have sent your merchandise" would have been nice. For those of us interested in this field, there just are not that many choices to order from. I hope that AlterYears can continue to be one of the names we can trust. (Nobody on the list has mentioned Harper House, but I gave up on them two years ago when I found their service, or lack of it, to be totally incomprehensible.) Anyway, please relay the message that I, for one, will not give up just yet. Ann Wass --------------EFE2F1FAA62FE34F3104F2FF-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 13:16:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15129 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:16:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA02283; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA27525 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA27486 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p4.directcon.net [206.170.184.53]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11280 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904151806.KAA11280@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Gold Rush items Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson David, thank you very much for all the great information. I can see that this is a subject I'll be studying for a LONG time. I'm finding Gold Rush costume to be fascinating and infuriating. Every diary I read contradicts the one I read before it! For example, one diarist describes going to a dance and says that the ladies attending wore calico dresses, men's boots and a ribbon if they were lucky. Another diarist, writing about a dance the same year in a mining town the same size and 20 miles away, describes ladies wearing elaborate toilettes with short sleeves and low necks, and changing their gowns two and three times during the evening! > >I would recommend that Margo be careful about trying to adapt 1870's levis to >1850's wear. Check the cut. By the 1870's, trousers were lower in the waist, >tighter in the rear and leg than in the 1840's - '50's. Unless these 1870's >levis retained a "retro" cut, you might be better off copying a pair of Gold >Rush era trousers and making them up in canvas. Since Levi Strauss lost their early records in the '06 fire and quake, they don't have the original patterns. Here's what the people at Hamilton Dry goods have to say about their product, which can be seen at: http://www.hamiltondrygoods.com/old73s.html: >The reproduction Levis that we make are made exactly like an old pair of >Levis that we own which were found in an old mining camp in Nevada -- The >Levi Strauss Museum has dated them at 1880's -- They are the oldest known >surviving pair. > >We make these in the same denim fabric used in the originals -- These are >as close as you will ever get to the originals and are appropriate for >1850 - The blue denim would have been used at that time -- We also make >them in other colors of denim. (brown, etc.) and then, in answer to further questions: >As to some of your questions: > >1873 is the date on the rivets -- We will make the pants without rivets or >back pockets. > >All Levis were machine sewn -- Clothing was being made in factories with >sewing machines back to 1830's > >We do the pants in both brown and blue denim > >The original pants were found by the son of a friend of ours in an old >mining camp in Nevada -- The friend gave them to us, because of our >interest in reproducing period clothing. > >The pants have been featured on a segment of "Hunt for Amazing Treasures" >on Learning Channel just this past week. > So, what does everyone think? My own guess, looking at the picture, is that they are too tight in the rear for 1850's. Opinions, please? BTW, this may all end up being moot anyway. It turns out that the park where my husband and I will be docenting wants the docents to dress appropriately for the different buildings, some of which are later period than goldrush. This includes the blacksmith shop where my husband will be working, which is turn of the century. He may end up wearing the 1880's Levis after all, and looking old fashioned. This policy seems hard on the docents, either asking them to make several different costumes or limit themselves to one area, but, one the other hand, it means I'll finally have an excuse to make a bustle dress. Whee! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 13:45:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06465 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:45:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA09735; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA05892 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.org (root@morgoth.tuug.org [130.232.72.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA05868 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:47:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shodan.yok.utu.fi ([130.232.128.27] HELO shodan ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 12036]) by tuug.org with SMTP id <40804-9887>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:47:36 +0300 From: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" Organization: Lyninine Federation To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:52:48 +2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: lacing through handmade eyelets Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990415174736Z40804-9887+50@tuug.org> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" I just got Jean Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909. I haven't had much time to spend on reading it yet, but I already have one question: On page 25 there are instructions how one should lace over each side separately if the corset has handmade eyelets instead of metal ones. What is the purpose of this? It might be done to stretch the eyelets and to keep them open better. Is it an authentic thing to do? -- -------(c) 1999--------------* lynoure@tuug.org * Ella Lynoure Rajamaki--------* http://www.tuug.org/~lynoure * _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 15:12:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07246 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:12:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA05265; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA19416 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA19259 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:42:22 -0700 Message-ID: <50107DFA67E5D211BC6D00A0C9AA05020119A5@vail> From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: H-COST: Alter Years] Handle with asbestos mailreader... Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:42:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE875E.EE9500A0" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE875E.EE9500A0 Content-Type: text/plain My mom placed an order for several patterns a few weeks ago (even after I warned her about the problems other folks were having)and she got them all within a week or so. I think that perhaps as Betsy said below Alter Years is making a comeback and it may be worth giving them another shot. -Jill -----Original Message----- -Poster: "TC Carstensen" Betsy Delaney wrote: >I have to apologize in advance for the following post, to anyone who is >unhappy with me for having done so. What's to apologize for? I appreciated hearing Janet Wilson's explanation about the problems. After having gone through some long streaks of major bad luck myself, I don't find it hard to believe that a lot of things beyond her control all happened around the same time (bad luck seems to attract more bad luck sometimes). And it does sound like she is doing her darnedest to correct the problems that are within her control. Heck, I may send in an order now just as a show of support. It's hard not to take advantage of an excuse to buy patterns! ;) TC Carstensen ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE875E.EE9500A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Fwd: H-COST: Alter Years] Handle with asbestos = mailreader...

My mom placed an order for several = patterns a few weeks ago (even after I warned her about the problems = other folks were having)and she got them all within a week or so.  = I think that perhaps as Betsy said below Alter Years is making a = comeback and it may be worth giving them another shot.

-Jill

    -----Original = Message-----

    -Poster: "TC = Carstensen" <eccentri@sprynet.com>

      Betsy Delaney = <betsy@hawkeswood.com> wrote:
    >I have to = apologize in advance for the following post, to anyone who is
    >unhappy with me = for having done so.

    What's to apologize = for?  I appreciated hearing Janet Wilson's explanation
    about the = problems.  After having gone through some long streaks of = major
    bad luck myself, I = don't find it hard to believe that a lot of things beyond
    her control all = happened around the same time (bad luck seems to attract
    more bad luck = sometimes).  And it does sound like she is doing her = darnedest
    to correct the = problems that are within her control.

    Heck, I may send in = an order now just as a show of support.  It's hard not
    to take advantage = of an excuse to buy patterns!  ;)


    TC Carstensen

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE875E.EE9500A0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 16:26:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07918 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:26:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA06254; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA17387 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA17340 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16708 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37164A77.95ACCB0A@serv.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:22:15 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: lacing through handmade eyelets References: <19990415174736Z40804-9887+50@tuug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > On page 25 there are instructions how one should lace over > each side separately if the corset has handmade eyelets > instead of metal ones. What is the purpose of this? I don't understand the sentence exactly, but what I think you're saying is that one should lace one tier at a time and not just pull the lacings from the top to get tight. This later method *is* hard on eyelets and even harder on buttonhole stitched eyelets. The lacing rubs against the ridge formed by the buttonhole stitch and wears it out quicker than a simple whip stitched eyelet. Hope that was helpful, Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 16:55:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11087 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:55:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA11913; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA24135 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.org (root@morgoth.tuug.org [130.232.72.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA24125 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shodan.yok.utu.fi ([130.232.128.27] HELO shodan ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 65028]) by tuug.org with SMTP id <40804-9887>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:50:10 +0300 From: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" Organization: Lyninine Federation To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:55:16 +2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: lacing through handmade eyelets Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37164A77.95ACCB0A@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990415205010Z40804-9887+51@tuug.org> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" On 15 Apr 99, at 13:22, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > I don't understand the sentence exactly, but what I think you're > saying is that one should lace one tier at a time and not just pull > the lacings from the top to get tight. No, that's not it. It's really hard to explain it without a picture and I'm not skilled enough with ascii art to make one. That's why I mentioned the page number. It's not really lacing the corset together at all, but lacing through the eyelets and over the edge on each side separately. I suppose the normal lacing would go over this afterwards. > This later method *is* hard on > eyelets and even harder on buttonhole stitched eyelets. The lacing > rubs against the ridge formed by the buttonhole stitch and wears it > out quicker than a simple whip stitched eyelet. But you might have a lead there. The (under-)lacing might be done to smooth the ridge and protect it when this is done! -- -------(c) 1999--------------* lynoure@tuug.org * Ella Lynoure Rajamaki--------* http://www.tuug.org/~lynoure * _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 18:01:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02223 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:01:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA27047; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA14408 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA14373 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18895 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371661E1.2E1CED2A@serv.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:02:09 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: lacing through handmade eyelets References: <19990415205010Z40804-9887+51@tuug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > It's not really lacing the corset together at all, but lacing > through the eyelets and over the edge on each side > separately. I suppose the normal lacing would go over this > afterwards. Okay, I think I get it. And yes, I would think it would keep the eyelet, especially 2 pieced grommet eyelets, from pulling through to the edge. > But you might have a lead there. The (under-)lacing might be > done to smooth the ridge and protect it when this is done! Yes, I see it! :) Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 18:02:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02230 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:02:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA27162; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18800 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA18735 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28673 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904152123.NAA28673@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: lacing through handmade eyelets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >I just got Jean Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage and >Screen 1800-1909. I haven't had much time to spend on >reading it yet, but I already have one question: > >On page 25 there are instructions how one should lace over >each side separately if the corset has handmade eyelets >instead of metal ones. What is the purpose of this? It might be >done to stretch the eyelets and to keep them open better. Is it >an authentic thing to do? How strange, I just turned on the computer to ask about that very same thing! (insert Twilight Zone music) I don't quite understand how this is supposed to work. There's a picture that shows the lace sort of wrapped over the edge. Are the the laces supposed to loop around each other, or what? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 19:34:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03277 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:34:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA11162; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA16375 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA16327 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (pluring.dot.rrnet.com [206.11.183.68] (may be forged)) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18124 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:36:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:26:13 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: bustle dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" I have made one bustle dress. I made the pattern from Patterns of Fashion 1860-1940, Janet Arnold. I did modify the skirt somewhat. It turned out great--it's worn by a very thin 17 year old. The only thing that gave me any troublewas the cartirdge pleating at the back of the skirt--since I didn't know what cartridge pleats were (now I do). Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 22:07:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05019 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:07:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA07338; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA23774 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA23744 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-55-117.s117.tnt8.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.55.117]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19059 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be87af$2c8e4360$7537accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Hong Kong Trend Research Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:16:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" You all are always in need of academic research that is being performed... I just found some online at the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Institute of Clothing and Textiles' website, http://www.itc.polyu.edu.hk/aoepress.htm This is a study they are conducting about blue jeans and the Chinese people. This study does involve the product development stages... They discuss are the dye stuffs, weight of textile, etc. You do have to read through the "academic bull" before you get to the heart of the research. This is one that you want to print and read when you have time. Gee, those stone washed jeans are really STONE washed. Later...Penny _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 23:18:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05860 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:18:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA16434; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA13997 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA13978 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (user-2ivehnq.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.70.250]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18888 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01db01be87b7$a2b52ce0$fa46f7a5@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:35:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Megan McHugh" I am interested in a corset or two, as well as possibly stockings. I currently wear about a size 20, if that helps. Let me know when you have any info. Thanks for letting us know. -----Original Message----- From: Susannah Eanes To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > >I have access to the inventory of an old store that contains, among >other wonderful things, original late 18th - early 19th c. silk >stockings & corsets in their original boxes. I don't know how they >have stood up to the decades of being stored away in an >unheated/uncooled store attic warehouse, but they sure look & feel >pretty good to me. The owner is currently assessing these items for >sale either in lots or as one whole. If anyone is interested in >finding out more, please e-mail me privately. > > >>From: AnnBWass@aol.com >>Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: H-COST: silk stockings >>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:20:00 EDT >> >> >>-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com >> >>Can anyone on the list recommend a source for silk or silk blend >stockings >>for women? I tried the Wintersilks Company, but they, >understandably were >>sold out of the stockings (I guess they are truly a winter product.) >>Thanks. >>Ann Wass >>annbwass@aol.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 23:30:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05998 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:30:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA17928; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA19098 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marlo.eagle.ca (marlo.eagle.ca [206.186.242.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA19070 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialin8.eagle.ca (dialin47.eagle.ca [206.186.242.208]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17830 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904160333.XAA17830@marlo.eagle.ca> X-Sender: mercury@eagle.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gothic Splendour Subject: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gothic Splendour Hi- I'm working on a ballgown for a fashion show which is based on a the look of a 1950's ballgown. I'm planning a fitted bodice over a separate, very full tulle skirt. I have a few questions about the decoration of the bodice & was wondering if some of you might be able to give me an idea of how to approach it. I've constructed a base for the bodice, it is very fitted with a bowed top edge (shaped like the top of a heart with a dip in the middle), it will be fully boned, it has a V point along the bottom front edge dipping about 3 " below the waist. I've bought some beautiful chiffon & want to shirr it in the sort of cross-your-heart style (it should sort of look like a wrap top over the bust)on the bodice. What I'm not sure about is - should the chiffon be cut on the bias? what general shape should the piece of chiffon be (I know I'll have to do some draping but need to have a starting point). I would really like to have the two pieces of chiffon (each covering a breast) come from the side seams to the centre front, then twist around each other & continue back to the sides. On the original 50's dresses where were the openings? at the centre back? or at one side? I would like to be able to hide the closure as much as possible. Also, would it look better to gather the chiffon or pintuck it along the edges of the bodice? As for the tulle skirt, I want it to be very full. Did they tier the layers on the underside (maybe to an inner lining skirt?) on those big puffy skirts or did all of the tulle get gathered into the waistband? I have 14 yards of the double width tulle. Did they wear a crinoline underneath the skirt to make it stand out even more? I keep picturing the glorious canary yellow tulle dress w/ the feather covered bodice that Galliano did a few years ago, it seemed so ethereal & floaty. I'm looking forward to any insight you may have! Thanks Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 15 23:54:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06308 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:54:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA20148; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA26754 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:57:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA26696; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:57:13 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D8AZ9ELN; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:56:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: f-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:47:38 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Fabric pattern question Message-ID: <19990415.224740.-424531.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a question about woven fabric patterns during the last half of the 18th century. Was houndstooth available during this time? Was it fashionable? I have found some terrific dark red and black houndstooth wool which I think is just screaming to be made into a late 18th century riding habit. I don't know if that particular pattern would be correct. It's okay if it's a bit on the masculine side, it's a riding habit after all, I just want to know if it would be appropriate for the period. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 06:08:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13614 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:08:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA18529; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA10512 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA10271; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904161016.EAA10271@indra.com> From: Broneske To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Gold Rush items Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:57:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE8726.61E42040" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Broneske ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE8726.61E42040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of years ago, I attended a workshop at the Eagle Theater in Old = Sacramento which was put on by a husband and wife team called "Chile N' = Crackers". They had patterns that they had taken from actual garments = for a woman's workdress, man's bib-front shirt, trousers with front = flap, a women's corded petticoat, a calash and a couple of house caps. = The woman also made beautiful reproduction calico buttons. They used to = have a web site, but I couldn't find it again. These items were billed = as "Gold Rush Era" The buttons are sold through Past Patterns = (http://www.thepoint.net/~pastpat/button.html) I do have the address for Chile N' Crackers, it is P.O. Box 442, = Columbia, CA 95310. Phone is 209-588-9513 I have made the corded petticoat and the workdress (It is called = Isabella's Workdress) and I thought they were quite easy to make and = came out quite well. The workdress may have to be altered a bit for = different bodies. I bought the small, which is supposed to fit sizes = 10-12 and it fits me pretty good, except I needed to take in the waist = (especially if you are planning to wear a corset underneath). It is a = basic round dress (?) I think and buttons up the front. It has deep = pockets in each side and it has long, slightly puffed sleeves with cuffs = that button. (closer to late 1830s). Margo, I see that you are in the Tahoe area, not too far from me. I am = in Roseville. Have you been to any of the events in Old Sacramento? I = was an active member of the Old Sacramento Living History Center for a = while and also of the Railroad Museum's Living History program, but have = since dropped out for a while due to things in my personal life, but I = do know that they have events from time to time. I also understand that = they will again be doing the "Gold Rush Tent Town" by the Eagle Theater = on Labor Day weekend. They also have a yearly "Easter Bonnet Parade" = which they held a couple of weekends ago. I didn't attend this year, so = I don't know how it went but it used to be a lot of fun. Joan Broneske _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 09:28:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15965 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:28:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA02209; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA12365 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA12337 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:31:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6SRZa09990 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2923fcc.2448955e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:30:06 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com I had a similar blue ballgown in the 50's - that really dates me! I didn't make it, but I remember it well. The bodice was straight at the bottom, not pointed, but pointed ones were fashionable also. It was joined to the skirt at the waist and had a side zipper. It had rows of ruffles under the outer two layers, attached to a taffeta petticoat. If the petticoat wasn't circular, it was at least very full gored (to reduce waistline bulk). And yes, I wore a crinoline petticoat under it. My bodice was shirred tulle similar to your description, except it didn't cross and continue. As I remember it, it was shirred tightly at center front and sideseams, not pleated. The shape was probably closest to two rounded diamond shapes, not too narrow at center front or sides. I had another yellow one that appeared to be straight, with more shirring at sides and center and just spread more over the bust. Good luck! That really brings back prom memories! Priscilla Schmitz _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 10:01:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16427 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:01:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA07870; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA24623 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f65.hotmail.com [207.82.251.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA24545 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 49400 invoked by uid 0); 16 Apr 1999 14:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990416140942.49399.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:09:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Corset Survey: Before/After? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:09:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Hello all, I now have 14 responses, plus my own to add to the compilation, and so I will be compiling them this weekend and post the results early next week. Thanks to all who responded. Regards, Susannah see original post below (for those of you who missed it) >> >>-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >> >> >>Kind readers of the list, >> >>A conversation off-list got me curious about something, so I thought >I >>would try to compile a private survey based on modern women who are >used >>to corseting on a pretty regular basis --say at the very minimum, at >>least three or more times a month for at least four to five or more >>hours at a time. >> >>If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me privately >with >>the following information: >> >>Your age range --teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and older >>Your time period --1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, 1900s >>Your modern-day size range --Junior/Petite, Medium/Reg. Misses incl. >>Tall, or Queen >>Your build --small, medium, or large-boned >>Your overall muscle tone --soft, medium, or firmly toned >>Your before corseting waist measurement standing erect with good >posture >>but muscles relaxed (not holding that tummy in!) measured on bare >skin >>Your after corseting waist measurement standing, laced comfortably >for >>normal activities (not to get into that ball gown!) measured over >the >>corset >> >>I will compile the numbers I get and post the results. The premise >is, >>that smaller, more firmly toned people cannot corset down and >compress >>the flesh as much as larger people with softer flesh, so they end up >>with less of a difference between their before and after corset >>measurements than larger people, who can usually have greater >>differences before and after corset measurement. >>I forgot where I read this and wanted to try and see if it holds up >in >>practice. >> >>Thanks for your willingness to participate! >> >>Susannah Eanes >>The Tailor's Measure >> >>"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William >>Morris >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 10:07:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16469 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:07:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA08655; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA26635 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA26604 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.99 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:15:25 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:03:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000101be8814$6d710740$630bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199904160333.XAA17830@marlo.eagle.ca> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Regarding the bodice, experimental draping should resolve the "look" issues. Gathered was typical for those cross-your heart styles, but tiny pleats are not out of the question, especially if you are large busted and don't need the volume produced by the gathering and twisting of the fabric. Little pleats were more typical around the waist where a slender line was required. My guess is that the draping was typically cut on the grain, as bias-cut material would tend to stretch and droop over time. The 50's was a time of crispness, and firmly structured underpinnings, pertness---droopy was considered quite old-fashioned, as it hearkened back to 30's evening wear. I remember thrift stores being full of the droopy 30's evening wear in the 50's. I think people may have made do with it through the forties, or kept it in the closet hoping it would come back, but in the fifties, it finally hit the rag bag, as it was just all wrong for the spirit of the decade, which placed an emphasis on new-ness. The closure was either side zipper, snaps, or hooks and eyes, OR center back zipper, with a hook and eye at the top of the closure. For the skirt, tulle is too soft to achieve the structural support the big skirt needs. Taffeta and nylon net are the right materials for the supporting petticoats. Tulle or chiffon would be appropriate for the visible skirt. Typically, the petticoat would be taffeta on the part next to your skin, with three rows of overlapping gathered nylon net flounces sewed onto the surface of it. All of that could be sewed into the dress permanently or alternatively made into a separate slip or half-slip to wear with different dresses. Nylon tricot to taffeta would be appropriate for the bodice of the slip. The petticoat/slip waist was often a little below the actual waist in order to achieve a smooth fit at the waist for those dipping front points on bodices. The taffeta was typically nylon for most of us, but on couture wear it was probably silk. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gothic Splendour Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:33 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown -Poster: Gothic Splendour Hi- I'm working on a ballgown for a fashion show which is based on a the look of a 1950's ballgown. I'm planning a fitted bodice over a separate, very full tulle skirt. I have a few questions about the decoration of the bodice & was wondering if some of you might be able to give me an idea of how to approach it. I've constructed a base for the bodice, it is very fitted with a bowed top edge (shaped like the top of a heart with a dip in the middle), it will be fully boned, it has a V point along the bottom front edge dipping about 3 " below the waist. I've bought some beautiful chiffon & want to shirr it in the sort of cross-your-heart style (it should sort of look like a wrap top over the bust)on the bodice. What I'm not sure about is - should the chiffon be cut on the bias? what general shape should the piece of chiffon be (I know I'll have to do some draping but need to have a starting point). I would really like to have the two pieces of chiffon (each covering a breast) come from the side seams to the centre front, then twist around each other & continue back to the sides. On the original 50's dresses where were the openings? at the centre back? or at one side? I would like to be able to hide the closure as much as possible. Also, would it look better to gather the chiffon or pintuck it along the edges of the bodice? As for the tulle skirt, I want it to be very full. Did they tier the layers on the underside (maybe to an inner lining skirt?) on those big puffy skirts or did all of the tulle get gathered into the waistband? I have 14 yards of the double width tulle. Did they wear a crinoline underneath the skirt to make it stand out even more? I keep picturing the glorious canary yellow tulle dress w/ the feather covered bodice that Galliano did a few years ago, it seemed so ethereal & floaty. I'm looking forward to any insight you may have! Thanks Elizabeth ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 10:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16593 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:19:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA10562; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA00739 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00719 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.99 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:27:11 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000401be8816$13c3a700$630bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101be8814$6d710740$630bfdd0@default> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Yes, the taffeta underskirt was often shaped to fit the waist without gathers to minimize bulk and to work with those low waisted dresses which were popular then. The gathered flounces typically started a little lower than the waist on petticoats which were meant to be worn with a variety of dresses. That style would accommodate a low waisted dress or a regular waisted dress. I don't know if this was general or just common. My mother always selected such a style for me because of its versatility. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Hope H. Dunlap Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Regarding the bodice, experimental draping should resolve the "look" issues. Gathered was typical for those cross-your heart styles, but tiny pleats are not out of the question, especially if you are large busted and don't need the volume produced by the gathering and twisting of the fabric. Little pleats were more typical around the waist where a slender line was required. My guess is that the draping was typically cut on the grain, as bias-cut material would tend to stretch and droop over time. The 50's was a time of crispness, and firmly structured underpinnings, pertness---droopy was considered quite old-fashioned, as it hearkened back to 30's evening wear. I remember thrift stores being full of the droopy 30's evening wear in the 50's. I think people may have made do with it through the forties, or kept it in the closet hoping it would come back, but in the fifties, it finally hit the rag bag, as it was just all wrong for the spirit of the decade, which placed an emphasis on new-ness. The closure was either side zipper, snaps, or hooks and eyes, OR center back zipper, with a hook and eye at the top of the closure. For the skirt, tulle is too soft to achieve the structural support the big skirt needs. Taffeta and nylon net are the right materials for the supporting petticoats. Tulle or chiffon would be appropriate for the visible skirt. Typically, the petticoat would be taffeta on the part next to your skin, with three rows of overlapping gathered nylon net flounces sewed onto the surface of it. All of that could be sewed into the dress permanently or alternatively made into a separate slip or half-slip to wear with different dresses. Nylon tricot to taffeta would be appropriate for the bodice of the slip. The petticoat/slip waist was often a little below the actual waist in order to achieve a smooth fit at the waist for those dipping front points on bodices. The taffeta was typically nylon for most of us, but on couture wear it was probably silk. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gothic Splendour Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:33 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown -Poster: Gothic Splendour Hi- I'm working on a ballgown for a fashion show which is based on a the look of a 1950's ballgown. I'm planning a fitted bodice over a separate, very full tulle skirt. I have a few questions about the decoration of the bodice & was wondering if some of you might be able to give me an idea of how to approach it. I've constructed a base for the bodice, it is very fitted with a bowed top edge (shaped like the top of a heart with a dip in the middle), it will be fully boned, it has a V point along the bottom front edge dipping about 3 " below the waist. I've bought some beautiful chiffon & want to shirr it in the sort of cross-your-heart style (it should sort of look like a wrap top over the bust)on the bodice. What I'm not sure about is - should the chiffon be cut on the bias? what general shape should the piece of chiffon be (I know I'll have to do some draping but need to have a starting point). I would really like to have the two pieces of chiffon (each covering a breast) come from the side seams to the centre front, then twist around each other & continue back to the sides. On the original 50's dresses where were the openings? at the centre back? or at one side? I would like to be able to hide the closure as much as possible. Also, would it look better to gather the chiffon or pintuck it along the edges of the bodice? As for the tulle skirt, I want it to be very full. Did they tier the layers on the underside (maybe to an inner lining skirt?) on those big puffy skirts or did all of the tulle get gathered into the waistband? I have 14 yards of the double width tulle. Did they wear a crinoline underneath the skirt to make it stand out even more? I keep picturing the glorious canary yellow tulle dress w/ the feather covered bodice that Galliano did a few years ago, it seemed so ethereal & floaty. I'm looking forward to any insight you may have! Thanks Elizabeth ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 10:34:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16788 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:34:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA12230; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04154 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA04086 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06303 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <01f501be8816$ef3d90c0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:39:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I just wanted to let ya'll know... I was looking through the Simplicity patterns book the other day, and found some really great patterns for "medieval" (I use that phrase but I'm not sure it's accurate) dresses and such with the beautiful floor length drop sleeves and also men's shirts. But, they aren't in the costuming section of the book... they're in the "prom" section and have a "historical" symbol on them. Just thought someone may be interested. I know I was. ;-) Sarah, who now has waaaaaaay too many patterns. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 10:40:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16906 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:40:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA14596; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA06959 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA06750 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19949 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37174C58.A08AE37E@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:42:32 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shirred Chiffon Bodice 1950's Ballgown References: <199904160333.XAA17830@marlo.eagle.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas As I remember, the zipper was on the side. What is sold as square dance crinolines would do nowadays for the skirt propping. I've also see them used for ballroom dance waltz contestants so ask at a dance supplies shop. I don't remember anyone wearing a "twist" bodice, but I remember shirred chiffon. Cutting on the bias seems sensible. The crinolines were made of paper taffeta, woven horsehair, and a very stiff tulle, such as ballet companies import from England. I think Baer may have carried it. Often there would be a paper taffeta gored base, then a stiff organdy with rows of ruffles, and on top, another smooth,gored, layer of Taffeta, though that could be optional. One of my mother's had a top layer of white with a sheer organdy oval insert at the front hem. Shadow embroidered on this was a rose. It was a very feminine, peek-a-boo touch. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 11:29:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09621 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA24594; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22943 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22871 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06808 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:35:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:35:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904161635.IAA06808@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: H-COST: Gold Rush items Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Hi Joan, thanks for the advice. Apparently Chili-n-Crackers no longer has a website but they are still in business. They're on my list of people to call today. I'm not in Tahoe, I'm in Camino, (Apple Hill) just a few miles up the highway from Placerville, which means I'll be close enough to participate in the Sacramento group if we get it going. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 11:42:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10855 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:42:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27529; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA25271 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA25221 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07768 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:43:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:43:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904161643.IAA07768@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-cost: Chrocheted shawls Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's? I'm talking about those triangular ones, with or without fringe, that were popular in the early 70's and now seem to be a staple of the beginning reenactor wardrobe. I've seen some very fine knitted ones, but nothing that looks chrocheted to me. (I don't knit or chrochet so it's hard for me to tell.) Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 12:00:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11076 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:00:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA01130; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA00846 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA00746 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:06:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6HYWa18186 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e916b40.2448b988@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:24 EDT Subject: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Chindora@aol.com I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me with. I just got a bolt of ivory dupion that I am making into a wedding gown and flower girl dresses. I religiously pre-wash before sewing, but the only other time that I ever washed some dupion silk the fabric lost the sheen and luster after it dried. I was told that you should only dry clean dupion for this reason. I have sewn with lots of other silk and never had this problem before, but was told that this fabric has a particular kind of finish on it. Is it really necessary to pre-wash dupion before sewing it, and if so, is there a feasible way to do so without it losing the finish? I really cannot see me taking this 30 yard bolt of fabric to the dry cleaner before starting to sew on it. Thanks! Kimberley _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 12:11:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11201 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:11:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA02876; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04137 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04116 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:19:10 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6TQLa12138 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:17:52 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/99 12:10:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chindora@aol.com writes: << Is it really necessary to pre-wash dupion before sewing it, and if so, is there a feasible way to do so without it losing the finish? >> I dyed some dupioni and it just went [beautifully] limp & flow-y. It still had that silk look. I wasn't aware that "sheen" was a characteristic of dupioni, it being "rough" so to speak. Anyway, if you steam iron it so it gets really hot, that should get it stricken & abused enough to withstand future dry cleaning without changing the fabric. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 12:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11235 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:17:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA03998; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA05485 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA05428 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06889 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: <026b01be8825$f023d440$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:26:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >> Sarah, who now has waaaaaaay too many patterns. > >You can *never* have too many patterns! ) I just got their 8587. Er..... well... let's see... I have at least 200 different patterns sitting in a box, 75 or so of which I have in every size made! *sigh* Though, I never run out of projects. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 12:49:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11606 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:49:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA09565; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA11795 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from centum.utulsa.edu (centum.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA11715 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by centum.utulsa.edu for H-COSTUME@INDRA.COM; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:56:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:56:13 -0500 From: "I. Marc Carlson" To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990416115613.12822b@centum.utulsa.edu> Subject: H-COST: Shoes in History question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "I. Marc Carlson" Hi, it's me again. I am trying to find factual evidence of what types of shoes were being worn in Byzantium, Coptic Egypt, the ancient Near East, the Steppes, and the Ancient Far East. Basically, I'm currently out of leads since it appears that no one has dug any up, or bothered to discuss them. However, since I am moving into things beyond my normal areas of research, I may just be missing the literature -- so I am asking for help. Any help. I would prefer archaeology over pictures, contemporary art over something made up for a costuming book, you know - the basic drill :) I'm trying to disprove a hypothesis before I stick my neck out on a major sweeping generalization of shoe history. Thank you for your time. Responses can either come here or to my private email. Marc Carlson lib_imc@centum.utulsa.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 14:12:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05936 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:11:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA22196; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA19435 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA19278 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990416152508.EYNL9376.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:25:08 -0700 Message-ID: <37175648.E1D2179D@home.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:24:56 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again References: <01f501be8816$ef3d90c0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Sarah Toney wrote: > > I just wanted to let ya'll know... I was looking through the > Simplicity patterns book the other day, and found some really great > patterns for "medieval" (I use that phrase but I'm not sure it's > accurate) dresses and such with the beautiful floor length drop > sleeves and also men's shirts. But, they aren't in the costuming > section of the book... they're in the "prom" section and have a > "historical" symbol on them. Just thought someone may be interested. > I know I was. ;-) > > Sarah, who now has waaaaaaay too many patterns. You can *never* have too many patterns! ) I just got their 8587. Does anyone know the numbers off hand? JoAnn's will have Simplicity on sale for $0.99 on May 8th! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 14:15:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05958 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:15:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA15258; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA09056 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cubbie.excite.com (cubbie-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.216]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA09025 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorch.excite.com ([199.172.152.240]) by cubbie.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990416145045.LGCQ15243.cubbie@scorch.excite.com> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:50:45 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again Message-Id: <924274247.13981.815@excite.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:50:47 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > I just wanted to let ya'll know... I was looking through the Simplicity > patterns book the other day, and found some really great patterns for > "medieval" (I use that phrase but I'm not sure it's accurate) dresses and > such with the beautiful floor length drop sleeves and also men's shirts. > But, they aren't in the costuming section of the book... they're in the > "prom" section and have a "historical" symbol on them. Just thought someone > may be interested. I know I was. ;-) Yep, saw 'em. They are on my 'to get soon' list. They also have a bustle dress in the costume section, which looks passibly accurate. (The line seems right in the photo, anyway.) > > Sarah, who now has waaaaaaay too many patterns. You are not the only one! ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 14:23:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06065 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:23:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25691; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA29411 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA29361 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-74.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.74]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29968 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416143326.0099f270@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:33:26 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Byzantine/coptic Shoes in History In-Reply-To: <990416115613.12822b@centum.utulsa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >I am trying to find factual evidence of what types of shoes were >being worn in Byzantium, Coptic Egypt, the ancient Near East, the >Steppes, and the Ancient Far East. Well, shoes are not my specialty but, the Bata Shoe Museum in Toronto has an extant pair of very lovely coptic (I think) shoes which were cream with burgundy leather (and if I remember correctly some gold work as well). I only saw them briefly but, they were kind of pointy toed with a slit down the middle of the high front part of the shoe. I know the museum has a website. Good luck contacting them. They are very friendly and nice people. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 14:47:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06346 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:47:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA29719; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA03644 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA03626 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24359; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20066; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: New webpage on French Hoods Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Hey guys, Drea here. I just put up a couple pages on Tudor French hood history, development and construction at: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/headwear/frenchhood.html enjoy! Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 15:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06692 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:15:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06366; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA08293 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA08271 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06839 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoes in History question In-Reply-To: <990416115613.12822b@centum.utulsa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley Have you got the book 'The Mummies of Urumchi' by Elizabeth Wayland Barber yet? It's great -- and has early Indo-European clothing, including a few bitf of footwear, I believe. I lent my copy to a co-worker, so I can't look it up right now. The mummies are from the Tocharian peoples in the Takla Makan desert in Western China. Well worth having, IMO -- it's informative and readable. Cheers, Mara On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, I. Marc Carlson wrote: > > -Poster: "I. Marc Carlson" > > Hi, it's me again. I am trying to find factual evidence of what types of shoes were > being worn in Byzantium, Coptic Egypt, the ancient Near East, the Steppes, and the > Ancient Far East. Basically, I'm currently out of leads since it appears that no one > has dug any up, or bothered to discuss them. However, since I am moving into things > beyond my normal areas of research, I may just be missing the literature -- so I am > asking for help. Any help. I would prefer archaeology over pictures, contemporary > art over something made up for a costuming book, you know - the basic drill :) > > I'm trying to disprove a hypothesis before I stick my neck out on a major sweeping > generalization of shoe history. > > Thank you for your time. Responses can either come here or to my private email. > > Marc Carlson > lib_imc@centum.utulsa.edu > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 15:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06797 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:22:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA07666; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA09645 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA09570 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.814ADB50@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:29:15 -0500 Message-ID: <37179E53.382A@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:32:48 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Chrocheted shawls References: <199904161643.IAA07768@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg Margo Anderson wrote: > Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's? Paging through 1850s volumes of Godey's Lady's Book, I see plenty of shawls, cloaks, or mantles and lots of crochet projects, but no crocheted shawls. The shawls all seem to be fabric usually with lots of lace and trimming, and the crochet patterns seem to be for things like sleeve borders, table mats and doilies, scarfs, a baby cap, etc.--that is, small accessory or houseware items. That's not to say that crocheted shawls didn't exist, but it does suggest that, if someone is considering making an appropriately period overgarment, a fabric one would be the better bet. (A few samples at Godey's online at http://cit.uvm.edu:6336/dynaweb ) - Hope --------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 15:46:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07058 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:46:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA12009; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA13666 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA13637 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:53:13 -0700 Message-ID: <50107DFA67E5D211BC6D00A0C9AA05020119B1@vail> From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume'" Subject: H-COST: Costume College Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:53:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE8842.C1BD5E60" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE8842.C1BD5E60 Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone tell me where to find info on the Costume College being held in July in Southern CA? I ran across the link at one time, and now I don't remember where. BTW - I'd appreciate some reviews of this function, since I've never been. My mom and I want to go, but with airfare and hotel and stuff, I want to make sure it's worth our while. Thanks, -Jill ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE8842.C1BD5E60 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Costume College

Can anyone = tell me where to find info on the Costume College being held in July in = Southern CA?  I ran across the link at one time, and now I don't = remember where.

BTW - I'd = appreciate some reviews of this function, since I've never been.  = My mom and I want to go, but with airfare and hotel and stuff, I want = to make sure it's worth our while.

Thanks,
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------ =_NextPart_001_01BE8842.C1BD5E60-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 16:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07289 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:07:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA15024; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA17793 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA17713 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:13:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Simone89@aol.com Received: from Simone89@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6CZMa00791 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a0fd102.2448f3d7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:13:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Simone89@aol.com Kimberly, be very careful about washing Dupioni, some of the new dupioni's are so fine that they disintegrate when washed. I work at a drapery fabric store and we recently had a client wash (by hand) Dupioni that was tagged "dry clean only." She brought in the pitiful shreds for us to see. I would test it carefully because although it might be strong enough to survive one gentle wetting it may not hold up properly afterwards. I recently made a Byzantine for a gentleman using black Dupioni and stressed to him always to wear an undershirt and dry clean the costume. Simone >Chindora@aol.com wrote: >I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me with. I just got a >bolt of ivory dupion that I am making into a wedding gown and flower girl >dresses. I religiously pre-wash before sewing, but the only other time that > I ever washed some dupion silk the fabric lost the sheen and luster after it >dried. I was told that you should only dry clean dupion for this reason. I >have sewn with lots of other silk and never had this problem before, but was >told that this fabric has a particular kind of finish on it. Is it really >necessary to pre-wash dupion before sewing it, and if so, is there a feasible >way to do so without it losing the finish? I really cannot see me taking >this 30 yard bolt of fabric to the dry cleaner before starting to sew on it. >Thanks! >Kimberley ________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 16:19:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07422 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:19:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA00696; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA04241 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA04217 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03525 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings In-Reply-To: <01db01be87b7$a2b52ce0$fa46f7a5@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley Susannah, is that really late 18th-early 19th, or late 19th-early 20th? Mara > -----Original Message----- > From: Susannah Eanes > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings > > > > > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > > >I have access to the inventory of an old store that contains, among > >other wonderful things, original late 18th - early 19th c. silk > >stockings & corsets in their original boxes. I don't know how they > >have stood up to the decades of being stored away in an > >unheated/uncooled store attic warehouse, but they sure look & feel > >pretty good to me. The owner is currently assessing these items for > >sale either in lots or as one whole. If anyone is interested in > >finding out more, please e-mail me privately. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 16:23:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07501 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:23:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA01896; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA05171 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA05148 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990416190409.LXQQ22687.tracker@pounce.excite.com> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:09 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: New webpage on French Hoods Message-Id: <924289451.17457.675@excite.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:11 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > Drea here. I just put up a couple pages on Tudor French hood history, > development and construction at: > > http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/headwear/frenchhood.html Oh, dear! Now I've no more excuses for not making one. ;) Very, very nice, and thanks! Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 17:46:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08434 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:46:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA09756; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA06459 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA06342 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 764 invoked from network); 16 Apr 1999 21:47:29 -0000 Received: from 237.240.3-2.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.237) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 21:47:29 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990416145448.2c3730f0@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: H-cost: Chrocheted shawls Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 08:43 AM 04/16/1999 -0800, Margo Anderson wrote: > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's? I'm talking about those >triangular ones, with or without fringe, that were popular in the early 70's >and now seem to be a staple of the beginning reenactor wardrobe. > >I've seen some very fine knitted ones, but nothing that looks chrocheted to >me. (I don't knit or chrochet so it's hard for me to tell.) > >Margo As best as I can tell from period sources (Godey's, Peterson's, Workwoman's Guide {1838}, The Ladies' Self Instructor in Millinery & Mantua Making, Embroidery & Applique {1853}), the loosely crocheted shawls of the 1970s are not appropriate for the 1850s. The 1970s shawls were often done using very large size crochet hooks and substantial yarn (frequently synthetics that *look* synthetic) and crocheted in extremely open large-scale patterns. The last-named source (which just happened to be handy by the keyboard ) has *no* crocheted shawl patterns at all; the only crocheted items are a gentleman's cap, a muffatee (with a note that the same stitch is good for mittens, baby's shoes, gaiters, gloves, etc.), and a couple of purses. Seems like crochet was considered especially good for fairly small items. The shawls are knitted or netted (one of these years I'll try netting one [yeah, right , just one *more* project]). I would discourage use of *any* crocheted shawl. One can make simple, lovely shawls out of a 60-inch (or even 45-inch) square of nice drapey wool, cotton, or silk (linen is usually too stiff). Either fold (if the fabric is lightweight) or cut (if the fabric is heavier or if one doesn't want or need two layers) the square on the diagonal to make triangular shawls. Fringe the fabric, add fringe, or simply hem the raw edges. Easy enough even for your novices to do. And very good-looking, too. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 18:37:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09021 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:37:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA21661; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA24396 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy.netwizards.net (qmailr@Proxy.NetWizards.Net [206.99.115.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA24303 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12985 invoked from network); 16 Apr 1999 20:56:35 -0000 Received: from bayarea56k460.netwiz.net (HELO slave) (208.164.208.60) by proxy.netwizards.net with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 20:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3717A215.189B@netwiz.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:48:21 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoes in History question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > Have you got the book 'The Mummies of Urumchi' by Elizabeth Wayland Barber > yet? It's great -- and has early Indo-European clothing, including a few > bitf of footwear, I believe. I lent my copy to a co-worker, so I can't > look it up right now. The mummies are from the Tocharian peoples in the > Takla Makan desert in Western China. Well worth having, IMO -- it's > informative and readable. > I'd just like to point out that whether they were Tocharian or not is still being debated. It's a reasonable hypothesis, but without any evidence of their language, it's hard to prove. Susan Fatemi p.s. There were 2 tv programs (Nova??) about the Ice Maiden from Siberia (N.W. of where the mummies were found) She was wearing thigh-high leather "stockings". Like boots, but probably not meant for outdoor wear. For comparison, in Uzbekistan (see the lovely big book by that title for pictures) women wore a knee-high leather stocking, with designs on the sole, indoors. To go out of doors, they'd slip their feet into heavy leather shoes with raised soles (not unlike clogs) This is as late as early 20th c. at least. There are lots of pictures of early Chinese shoes. (How early??) The book "Mongol costumes" discusses construction methods, I believe. "When silk was Gold" has pictures of chinese ladies shoes from the T'ang dynasty and Jurchen boots from roughly the same time. Does this help?? -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 21:13:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10973 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:13:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA07721; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA12800 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA12789 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:50 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6RVEa26022 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2834e301.24493bbe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:19:58 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I think the "finish" is actually the opposite--the natural gum produced by the silk worm (the worm spins two strands of silk "glued" together.) Some silk has more gum left in it than others and I think that washing would remove some of that. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 21:25:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11109 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:25:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA09562; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA14096 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from onramp.i2k.com (root@onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA14086 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raille ([198.110.185.76]) by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA04885 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990416205011.007af8c0@onramp.i2k.com> X-Sender: alwen@onramp.i2k.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:50:11 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Carpenter Subject: H-COST: Re: Crocheted shawl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Carpenter Margo Anderson wrote: > >Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's? I'm talking about those >triangular ones, with or without fringe, that were popular in the early 70's >and now seem to be a staple of the beginning reenactor wardrobe. > and Hope Greenberg replied: >Paging through 1850s volumes of Godey's Lady's Book, I see plenty of >shawls, cloaks, or mantles and lots of crochet projects, but no >crocheted shawls. The shawls all seem to be fabric usually with lots of >lace and trimming, and the crochet patterns seem to be for things like >sleeve borders, table mats and doilies, scarfs, a baby cap, etc.--that >is, small accessory or houseware items. Hope, what about *netted* shawls? I have a photocopy of a netted shawl pattern which is supposed to be from Godey's "~1850's". The page # is 392, and the "Materials" list reads "Six ounces of white, six ditto of cerise single Berlin wool; two netting-needles and meshes, one-third and three-fourths of an inch wide." The engraving shows a heavily fringed shawl in broad bands of light and dark. Netted wool would look vaguely like crochet - - my mother made a "broomstick lace" shawl back in the 1970's that has this open texture. And maybe you can date my pattern more precisely. Lynn When I say I'm a "net head", oh! You were talking about the Internet. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 21:47:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11345 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:47:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA11778; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA16338 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id TAA16333 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990417015807.8378.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.252.42.227] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:58:07 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: H-COST: Greek sandals To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" I have a pair of authentic Greek sandals (Pier 1 special). They tie up the calf in the traditional way, but I can't keep them up! I tie them at the top of my calf, but short of totally cutting off my circulation, I just can't keep them from falling down. Any help? Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 21:54:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11439 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:54:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA12660; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA17023 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA17017 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990417020259.RXU3300.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:02:59 -0700 Message-ID: <00d401be8876$6ae40740$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Greek sandals Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:02:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Speare (sp?) gum? If your legs are very smooth, whether due to soft supple skin or soft slick furry skin, they are going to slip down. In the 70's my favorite pair of pumps had these ties and the only way I kept them up was with clear elastic. They sell it at most fabric places. Ballet artist use it in their costuming. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Kristen M. Sieber To: Historic Costume Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: H-COST: Greek sandals : :-Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" : :I have a pair of authentic Greek sandals (Pier 1 special). They tie :up the calf in the traditional way, but I can't keep them up! I tie :them at the top of my calf, but short of totally cutting off my :circulation, I just can't keep them from falling down. Any help? : :Kristen Morgaine Sieber :lady_gawain@yahoo.com : : : : :_________________________________________________________ :DO YOU YAHOO!? :Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com : : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 21:56:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11453 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:56:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA13187; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA17297 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA17286 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:05:18 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.8.65] (hrfr-sh1-port65.snet.net [204.60.8.65]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id WAA26987 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904170205.WAA26987@smtp.snet.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:05:05 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <37175648.E1D2179D@home.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net >You can *never* have too many patterns! ) I just got their 8587. >Does anyone know the numbers off hand? JoAnn's will have Simplicity on >sale for $0.99 on May 8th! Ohhhh! I'm going to be away on the 8th! Is it only on that day? I have 8587 too! I just used it to make the man's tunic, a chemise, and the overdress I'd mentioned here on various messages, for EK Coronation last Saturday. It's quite a useful and adaptable pattern isn't it? Also I have Simplicity 8286, which I bought to make a cloak, but the "shoulders" in it make it too modern so I had to re-cut it. Also, I'd have preferred a circular cloak to semi-circular. As I note that the price of a nice woollen cloak is between $80.00 and $120.00 if I buy it from merchants at events, I'll be hunting for another cloak pattern next fall! The dresses and other garments included have some possibilities. There are some useful sleeves, but the cut of the dress they're attached to is altogether wrong, and in general, the garments in this pattern tend to be to "hokey" for me. (Hallowe'en costumes). Also I have McCalls 8826, which depicts more 14th - 15th century style gowns, and McCalls 8449 which has some pieces within it as possibilities (e.g. a gathered neckline chemise), but is more Rennaissance than medieval. BTW once opened, I keep my pattern pieces in ziplock bags, together with the original envelope, so I don't have to scrunch the pieces back into the envelope again! Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 22:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12045 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:50:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA20020; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA22705 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA22693 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.156] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10YLJC-00070P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:58:18 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:59:27 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again In-Reply-To: <199904170205.WAA26987@smtp.snet.net> References: <37175648.E1D2179D@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I don't recall which Pattern Co. it was, and better NOT to name it...but there's a rather ugly 'Gates of Hell' in one currently... :-) Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 23:35:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12605 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:35:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA25718; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA27004 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA26990 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18111 invoked from network); 17 Apr 1999 03:38:12 -0000 Received: from 214.240.3-2.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.214) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 03:38:12 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990416204548.382fd37a@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Crocheted shawl Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 08:50 PM 04/16/1999 -0400, Lynn Carpenter wrote: > >-Poster: Lynn Carpenter > >Margo Anderson wrote: >> >>Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's?[snip] > >and Hope Greenberg replied: > >>Paging through 1850s volumes of Godey's Lady's Book, I see plenty of >>shawls, cloaks, or mantles and lots of crochet projects, but no >>crocheted shawls.[snip] > >Hope, what about *netted* shawls? I have a photocopy of a netted shawl >pattern which is supposed to be from Godey's "~1850's". The page # is 392, >and the "Materials" list reads "Six ounces of white, six ditto of cerise >single Berlin wool; two netting-needles and meshes, one-third and >three-fourths of an inch wide." The engraving shows a heavily fringed >shawl in broad bands of light and dark. Netted wool would look vaguely >like crochet - - my mother made a "broomstick lace" shawl back in the >1970's that has this open texture. > >And maybe you can date my pattern more precisely. > >Lynn >When I say I'm a "net head", oh! You were talking about the Internet. Lynn, Yes, *netted* shawls are period for the 1850s. My facsimile reprint of the 1853 "Ladies' Self Instructor in Millinery & Mantua Making, Embroidery & Applique" has instructions for several netted shawls. The only problem with substituting crochet for netting is that, in hand, netting and crochet really do not resemble each other at all. The easiest way to visualize it is to think a finely-netted fishing net; then compare that to a crocheted net bag. The netting is a single strand knotted around another strand. Crocheting, especially when making net bags, consists of a single strand looped around itself, making a three-stranded "string" (simple chain stitch, of course) with lumps. Now I need to re-teach myself netting. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 16 23:35:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12606 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:35:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA25706; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA27005 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA26989 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18111 invoked from network); 17 Apr 1999 03:38:12 -0000 Received: from 214.240.3-2.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.214) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 03:38:12 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990416204548.382fd37a@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Crocheted shawl Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 08:50 PM 04/16/1999 -0400, Lynn Carpenter wrote: > >-Poster: Lynn Carpenter > >Margo Anderson wrote: >> >>Are chrocheted shawls period for the 1850's?[snip] > >and Hope Greenberg replied: > >>Paging through 1850s volumes of Godey's Lady's Book, I see plenty of >>shawls, cloaks, or mantles and lots of crochet projects, but no >>crocheted shawls.[snip] > >Hope, what about *netted* shawls? I have a photocopy of a netted shawl >pattern which is supposed to be from Godey's "~1850's". The page # is 392, >and the "Materials" list reads "Six ounces of white, six ditto of cerise >single Berlin wool; two netting-needles and meshes, one-third and >three-fourths of an inch wide." The engraving shows a heavily fringed >shawl in broad bands of light and dark. Netted wool would look vaguely >like crochet - - my mother made a "broomstick lace" shawl back in the >1970's that has this open texture. > >And maybe you can date my pattern more precisely. > >Lynn >When I say I'm a "net head", oh! You were talking about the Internet. Lynn, Yes, *netted* shawls are period for the 1850s. My facsimile reprint of the 1853 "Ladies' Self Instructor in Millinery & Mantua Making, Embroidery & Applique" has instructions for several netted shawls. The only problem with substituting crochet for netting is that, in hand, netting and crochet really do not resemble each other at all. The easiest way to visualize it is to think a finely-netted fishing net; then compare that to a crocheted net bag. The netting is a single strand knotted around another strand. Crocheting, especially when making net bags, consists of a single strand looped around itself, making a three-stranded "string" (simple chain stitch, of course) with lumps. Now I need to re-teach myself netting. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 17 07:48:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA20643 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:48:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA26447; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA06790 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:56:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA06781 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:56:48 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6KTWa05707 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7cd6378e.2449d0c3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:55:47 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Greek sandals To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com That's "spirit" gum. I was going to suggest it, too. You can buy it at theatrical make-up places. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 17 14:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25194 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:38:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA03503; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA08040 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA08033 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:41:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Sandyswank@aol.com Received: from Sandyswank@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6KTNa12138 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26314961.244a2f46@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:39:02 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Simplicity Patterns To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sandyswank@aol.com Sarah: Thanks for the info, just picked up some really neat Simplicity medieval patterns for 99 cents a piece locally (leftover Halloween costume patterns). Ones that I thought that could easily be adapted for field garb etc for Pennsic. By the way my philosophy is He who dies with the most patterns and most fabric wins..... Sandy In a message dated 4/16/99 6:42:08 PM EST, owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com writes: << Subject: H-COST: Simplicity strikes again - -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I just wanted to let ya'll know... I was looking through the Simplicity patterns book the other day, and found some really great patterns for "medieval" (I use that phrase but I'm not sure it's accurate) dresses and such with the beautiful floor length drop sleeves and also men's shirts. But, they aren't in the costuming section of the book... they're in the "prom" section and have a "historical" symbol on them. Just thought someone may be interested. I know I was. ;-) Sarah, who now has waaaaaaay too many patterns. _____________________________ >> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 17 16:14:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26303 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:14:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA13911; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA16764 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA16756 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:23:10 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6QBAa12143 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:22:26 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Simplicity Patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com In a message dated 4/17/1999 2:41:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sandyswank@aol.com writes: > Simplicity medieval > patterns for 99 cents a piece locally Just an interesting sidelight on these patterns--the designer said she had a little difficulty with Simplicity because they showed cleavage! Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 00:58:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00101 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:58:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA09993; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA27945 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from centum.utulsa.edu (centum.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id XAA27937 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by centum.utulsa.edu for H-COSTUME@INDRA.COM; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 0:07:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 0:07:28 -0500 From: "I. Marc Carlson" To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990418000728.14b90e@centum.utulsa.edu> Subject: H-COST: Re: Shoes in History question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "I. Marc Carlson" > >...Good luck contacting them. They are very friendly and nice people. Thank you, I will try to contact them. Their web site has very little in actual pictures. > >Have you got the book 'The Mummies of Urumchi' by Elizabeth Wayland Barber >yet?... I took a look at it recently, but don't recall seeing any pictures of shoes. I will see if I can get a hold of it again. Thank you. > >...There are lots of pictures of early Chinese shoes. (How >early??) The book "Mongol costumes" discusses construction >methods, I believe. "When silk was Gold" has pictures of >chinese ladies shoes from the T'ang dynasty and Jurchen >boots from roughly the same time. Thank you, I will see if I can find it. Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 01:02:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00261 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:02:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA10438; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA28208 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA28200 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-2-208.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.208]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id VAA10114 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3719687D.40E91A58@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:07:09 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/16/99 12:10:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Chindora@aol.com writes: > > << Is it really > necessary to pre-wash dupion before sewing it, and if so, is there a > feasible > way to do so without it losing the finish? >> > > I dyed some dupioni and it just went [beautifully] limp & flow-y. It > still > had that silk look. Be careful about this, though. Depending on what look you want, you may or may not want to wash it. The relative stiffness of the silk will definitely go away if you wash & dry it. You can wash the silk and air dry it, but you still will change the consistancy of the fabric. It seems to me that the stiffness of the unwashed fabric is what you tend to find on wedding dresses and designer suits. I personally like that look and it doesn't need much in the way of lining, either. If you want something drapey and flowey, then wash the bejessus out of the silk. But for anything that needs shape or stiffness, DON'T WASH IT. Hope this helps! Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 06:09:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05895 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:09:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA03696; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA27351 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from onramp.i2k.com (root@onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA27041 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raille (o7du24.i2k.com [198.110.185.24]) by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA02296 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990418062455.007be150@onramp.i2k.com> X-Sender: alwen@onramp.i2k.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:24:55 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Carpenter Subject: H-COST: Netted shawls Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Carpenter Joan M Jurancich wrote: >Yes, *netted* shawls are period for the 1850s. My facsimile reprint of the >1853 "Ladies' Self Instructor in Millinery & Mantua Making, Embroidery & >Applique" has instructions for several netted shawls. > >The only problem with substituting crochet for netting is that, in hand, >netting and crochet really do not resemble each other at all. [snip] > >Now I need to re-teach myself netting. I made a netted scarf using wool Bernat bulky yarn. I agree that crochet and netting look entirely different when you know what you're looking at. But the 1850's are not my focus -- netting is. I *am* curious to date this pattern. My favorite netting site on the web: http://www.the-spa.com/bartholomew/netting/ Lynn (Just finished another "string" netted bag in size 5 perle cotton Saturday) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 11:37:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09498 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:37:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA22757; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA04714 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA04706 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:46:41 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.8.51] (hrfr-sh1-port51.snet.net [204.60.8.51]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id LAA24480 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904181546.LAA24480@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:46:21 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Simplicity Patterns To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <26314961.244a2f46@aol.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net > - -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > I just wanted to let ya'll know... I was looking through the Simplicity > patterns book the other day, and found some really great patterns for > "medieval" (I use that phrase but I'm not sure it's accurate) dresses and > such with the beautiful floor length drop sleeves and also men's shirts. > But, they aren't in the costuming section of the book... they're in the > "prom" section and have a "historical" symbol on them. Just thought someone > may be interested. I know I was. ;-) I went to seek them out yesterday at JoAnns (down the street :-) )and you're right! Ooooooohhhhh!!!!! I love the black one with the long sheer sleeves! I wonder what period that would be? 13th C maybe? Also the one with the cross lacing in front? (Sorry didn't copy numbers and I have to wait until they go on sale to pick them up) :-( I'm thinking of making the long sleeved one in a dark strawberry red for the Ladies Champion Tourney next month. My next project!!!!! blissfully, Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 12:26:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10063 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:26:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27199; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA08764 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA08754 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p33.directcon.net [206.170.184.82]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27967 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904181732.JAA27967@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-cost: Coming of age Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson When did mid-19th century girls start to dress as adults, putting up their hair and lengthening their skirts? Was there a usually acepted age, or was it just when her mother decided it was time? Or did it have to do with her physical maturity? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 12:34:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10204 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:34:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27787; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA09245 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.mcia.net [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA09237 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.186]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3719D391.F42AAD33@woodenporch.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:44:17 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: French costume book on ebay References: <199904180510.XAA28217@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois I have just enter a great resource book on e-bay. Closes the 25th. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=92708736 Piton's Le Costume Civil en France du XIII au XIX Siecle. 1926. 9" x 11", 380 pp., illus., color plates, decorative hard cover. Great primary source material information. Even greater if you read French. Lois > -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 13:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11076 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:49:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA06417; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA15829 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.mcia.net [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA15809 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.186]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3719E513.EDB2D9C1@woodenporch.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:59:12 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: French costume book on ebay References: <199904180510.XAA28217@indra.com> <3719D391.F42AAD33@woodenporch.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A7A383D2BDE5B8929E8F5DC3" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois --------------A7A383D2BDE5B8929E8F5DC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should add that I do have a reserve of $45.00 on this book. Lois wrote: > I have just enter a great resource book on e-bay. Closes the 25th. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=92708736 > > Piton's Le Costume Civil en France du XIII au XIX Siecle. 1926. > 9" x 11", 380 pp., illus., color plates, decorative hard cover. > Great primary source material information. Even greater if you read > French. > > Lois > > > > > -- > Lois Mueller > Wooden Porch Books > books@woodenporch.com --------------A7A383D2BDE5B8929E8F5DC3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should add that I do have a reserve of $45.00 on this book.

Lois wrote:

I have just enter a great resource book on e-bay. Closes the 25th.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=92708736

Piton's Le Costume Civil en France du XIII au XIX Siecle. 1926.
9" x 11", 380 pp., illus., color plates, decorative hard cover.
Great primary source material information. Even greater if you read
French.

Lois

>

--
Lois Mueller
Wooden Porch Books
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--------------A7A383D2BDE5B8929E8F5DC3-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 13:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11149 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:51:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA06842; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16103 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA16090 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27806 invoked from network); 18 Apr 1999 17:54:48 -0000 Received: from 45.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.45) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 17:54:48 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990418110119.2c07a61e@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: French costume book on ebay Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 12:44 PM 04/18/1999 +0000, Lois wrote: > >-Poster: Lois > >I have just enter a great resource book on e-bay. Closes the 25th. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=92708736 > >Piton's Le Costume Civil en France du XIII au XIX Siecle. 1926. >9" x 11", 380 pp., illus., color plates, decorative hard cover. >Great primary source material information. Even greater if you read >French. > >Lois I have this book and echo Lois's comments. Even I, who can struggle through French only with a French-English dictionary in hand, was able to figure things out. And if you can get it for $100 or less, it's a bargain. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 14:13:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11387 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:13:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA08741; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA17990 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA17983 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.3 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:21:21 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: H-COST: 19th and early 20th Century Lace Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:22:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000101be89c9$207198e0$cc0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" This Web Site has some lovely examples of nineteenth and early 20th century laces for sale. Just reading it and looking at the pictures is quite educational regarding appearance and technology and may help those who are facing the task of trimming their historical recreations appropriately. http://www.cherubcomforts.com/antiquelace.html Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 16:30:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12974 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA21853; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA03032 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA03019 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alysea@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D8HYCRA5; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:38:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:39:40 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Pre-washing dupion silk Message-ID: <19990418.164147.14902.0.Alysea@juno.com> References: <5e916b40.2448b988@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-36 From: Karen J Farris Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karen J Farris You're right--if you pre-wash the silk, it will lose its luster and hand. No need to pre-dry-clean it, though, and it makes up beautifully into wedding attire. Karen Farris On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:24 EDT Chindora@aol.com writes: > >-Poster: Chindora@aol.com > >I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me with. I just >got a >bolt of ivory dupion that I am making into a wedding gown and flower >girl >dresses. I religiously pre-wash before sewing, but the only other >time that >I ever washed some dupion silk the fabric lost the sheen and luster >after it >dried. I was told that you should only dry clean dupion for this >reason. I >have sewn with lots of other silk and never had this problem before, >but was >told that this fabric has a particular kind of finish on it. Is it >really >necessary to pre-wash dupion before sewing it, and if so, is there a >feasible >way to do so without it losing the finish? I really cannot see me >taking >this 30 yard bolt of fabric to the dry cleaner before starting to sew >on it. > >Thanks! > >Kimberley > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 19:01:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14817 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:01:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA10363; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA15035 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA15022; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990418230926.FXOM9366.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a>; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:09:26 -0700 Message-ID: <004201be89f0$7a4437c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: , "Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) -Garb" , References: <199904181546.LAA24480@smtp.snet.net> Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Patterns...links etc. Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" The Simplicity patterns came out about the same time as the somewhat atrocious Peasant Garb patterns did (around February or January). They are part of the Begotten line that they came out with. The website calls them "renaissance" now. The first Simplicity books that had them referred to them as "gothic". They are very pretty, really really off construction wise and style wise for history...sort of a mishmash from what I see. Here are the numbers and links: 8623 dress/gown ... makes me think Martha Washington...I'm positive in the movie 1776 some of the characters wore dresses with coats like this ::chuckles:: I like it....maybe with a petticoat under it...maybe if the gown and the false jacket were separate http://www.simplicity.com/852/8623.htm 8619 dress/gown... the black one say modern day Goth to me... if the long sleeve version was in a solid black without the sheer sleeves it would work for Morticia Adams...but also very nice http://www.simplicity.com/852/8619.htm 8502 dress/gown...this one look renaissance sort of...a false lace up front and a leg of mutton style sleeve...would make a cute beginner gown for fairs definitely. http://www.simplicity.com/851/8502.htm 8615 men's shirts ... these have that combo of Errol Flynn and Goth count feel...nice and flowing...the one version is a nice ren fair shirt definitely. http://www.simplicity.com/852/8615.htm I'm by no means an expert, but none of these look good for historical accuracy in the least. They look great for ren fair "play dresses and shirts" though. Oh...and ya...I bought them when I saw them a few months ago ;) ALL of them She who dies with the most patterns and yummy fabric....wins !!! ~Kyna Grannd _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 20:31:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15857 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:31:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA22085; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA22645 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA22640 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:39:26 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6KBQa21002 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:37:55 EDT Subject: H-COST: Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com That's really scary. It probably is "based" (and I use that term loosely) on a c 1770s gown. Unfortunately, I've seen people wear it for 18th dance programs (always wondered where they came up with an open robe look where the gown was so short--now I know). But then, if you make Simplicity's astronaut costume, you'll look just like a real one and can fly to the moon in it! Fun note--several years ago I picked up an early 20th c pattern (just for the fun of it--not to use) that I thought must be a Little Bo Peep costume--fitted bodice with ruffled sleeves, mid length full skirt with pantaloons with tiers of ruffles them, big open brim sunhat with ribbons. When I opened up the pattern to see how it was made and it said "Colonial Costume." It's nice to see how far we've come in documentation and historical accuracy in costumes! Charlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 20:56:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16098 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:56:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25251; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA24635 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA24627 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.161] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10Z2Tq-00022z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:04:10 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:45:04 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Simplicity Patterns In-Reply-To: <199904181546.LAA24480@smtp.snet.net> References: <26314961.244a2f46@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Two comments--and a question: I was under the impression that the one with the lovely period sleeves had the wrong neckline [sweetheart] and was too narrow-skirted for Medieval period. I did buy it, with plans to remedy those two 'flaws', however. Oh--and w/o a zipper, of course. :-) A friend who loves the pattern as is wanted to make it that way, but that would be wrong, wouldn't it? Please let me know asap...many thanks, in advance...Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 21:15:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16327 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:15:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA27006; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA25663 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA25653 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:20:05 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.10.225] (hrfr-sh6-port225.snet.net [204.60.10.225]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id VAA19688 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904190120.VAA19688@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:19:50 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Simplicity Patterns To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net -Poster: Jean Holtom > Two comments--and a question: I was under the impression that the >one with the lovely period sleeves had the wrong neckline [sweetheart] and >was too narrow-skirted for Medieval period. I did buy it, with plans to >remedy those two 'flaws', however. Oh--and w/o a zipper, of course. :-) A >friend who loves the pattern as is wanted to make it that way, but that >would be wrong, wouldn't it? Please let me know asap...many thanks, in >advance...Gra/inne Here's my 4 penneth! Basically, I think the Simplicity patterns are good templates, and I really loved the black one! I always have costume books to hand when I'm sewing garb, and would definately adapt the pattern as well as I could to try to make it as authentic as possible (it might not be perfect, but it would be my best shot). Also, I'd look at the pattern pieces as "spare parts" for future ventures, as e.g. a sleeve of one combined with e.g. the body of another might work in some weird way, and be perfect to give me exactly what I had been aiming for. These days I would not use a zipper (although the first dress I made I did use one (Ooooops!). I'd probably try to use another period way of easing the fabric in to fit me as I wanted now. I've yet to try the lacings that have been spoken about on this list of late! Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 23:09:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17595 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:09:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA12582; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA05488 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oly.silverlink.net (root@oly.silverlink.net [209.20.168.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA05483 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cvntlale (silver170-53.silverlink.net [209.20.170.53]) by oly.silverlink.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13036; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990418201800.00ea79ec@silverlink.net> X-Sender: tsuruko@silverlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:18:00 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, ICG-L@lists.best.com From: debbie strub Subject: H-COST: The Gilded Age Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: debbie strub Greetings, For those in the Seattle area interested in Victorian or Edwardian clothing, a new exhibition has just opened in downtown Bremerton that is a must see! The Gilded Age is a vintage clothing exhibit featuring gowns and accessories from the collection of Neil S. Vincent dating from 1860 to 1910, presented by the West Sound Arts Council. The pieces are in excellent condition and are displayed in low lighting to preserve the fragile textiles. However, there is enough light to see clothing details (and take notes!). Some notable garments include: The 1883 "poppy dress" - made of brocade with a poppy design with a black velvet bodice and silk poppies on the neckline and hem. A 1904 dinner gown of opal, silver, blue and black. A 1909 light mourning dinner gown, featuring black matte sequins graduated in size from shoulder to hem. Additionally, there are several cases displaying all manner of accessories including hats & bonnets, gloves, shoes, stockings, fans, and parasols. The exhibit runs from April 10 through May 9, 1999 at 263 4th St. in downtown Bremerton. The building is a few blocks up from the Bremerton ferry terminal. Admission is $4.00. Hours are Wed., Thurs., Sat. 11am - 5pm; Friday 2pm-8pm; Sunday 1pm-5pm. Lectures by Neil Vincent at 2pm on April 11 and April 25. Note: No cameras or strollers allowed. Enjoy! Deb Strub _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 18 23:55:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18161 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:55:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA19464; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA09574 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA09563 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p42.directcon.net [206.170.184.91]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15327 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:03:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:03:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904190503.VAA15327@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity pattern Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson It's nice to see how far we've come in documentation and >historical accuracy in costumes! I can't seen that we've come that far, at least when we're referring to the Big Three pattern companies. All of their "historical" costumes look dreadful to me. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 00:25:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18934 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:25:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA23146; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA12110 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA12096 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-90.s90.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.90]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA28663 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be8a1e$2d2e17c0$5a3daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:36:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I was watching "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" tonight. I don't know why I never noticed before that during the opening credits that they were showing the Bayeux Tapestry. I went back and watched the credits again to look at the condition of the tapestry. I want to define if the film's tapestry was a remake or the orginal. I just can't imagine the Bayeux owners to allow someone to place bright lights for filming on such a delicate piece of work. Did anyone hear anything about the tapestry during the filming of this movie? The tapestry shown during the opening credits appeared in excellent condition. If this is a remake, the embroider did a wonderful job. The stitches and spaces appear to be placed in the correct for the original. I am leary of the bright white background in the film version. Most of the photos I have seen of the original, the background is off-white, sometimes yellowed. Has anyone seen the original in person and can comment on the condition of the background? If you have the video, please watch the beginning and let me know your opinions. Has anyone noticed that midway through the film, Marion is embroidering on a "new" panel of the Bayeax Tapestry? Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 01:09:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19556 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:09:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA27345; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA14921 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA14916 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p42.directcon.net [206.170.184.91]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20927 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:16:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:16:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904190616.WAA20927@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Skirt supporting corset on ebay Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson There is an original skirt supporting corset on Ebay which appears to be very similar to the Past Pattern. here's the URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=91594162 I'm not selling it, just interested and thought others might be, too. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 01:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19710 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:19:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA28276; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA15495 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA15489 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id PAA25206 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:00:03 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA04131; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:09:25 +0930 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:09:18 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: costume list Subject: H-COST: FO - sort of.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant Well I feel the need to boast about the my latest FO, even though it was not really intended as a historical costume. I made it for my sister- -in-law's wedding (which was on Saturday). It was based on the Edwardian suit (circa 1906 I think) pattern given by Norah Waugh in 'The Cut of Women's Clothes 1600-1930', but with different sleeves on the jacket. For those unfamiliar with that, the pattern is for a bolero jacket with a 'corselet' skirt. Since I wasn't intending it for historical wear I made it without a corset or any sort of proper undergarments, though I boned the top of the foundation skirt. I made the suit in purple wool, with the foundation skirt and jacket lining of lilac linen. It's decorated with bands of black velveteen and silver buttons. To go with it I made a blouse of blue-grey lace with a silk lining (the pattern from the lining was also taken from the above book, though I forget which one) - again not exactly accurate, in that I decided to forego the high boned collar. I managed to find real shell buttons, very very small ones for the blouse. To go with it I decorated a hat with lots of fake blue, red and purple flowers and a big purple bow. Now I just have to wait and see how the photos turn out.... Anyway, the reason it's only sort of an FO is that I didn't quite finish it in time (we moved about three weeks ago and I lost my sewing machine cord - pretty much everyhting but the blouse got done in the last two weeks). I didn't get to sew the velveteen bands on the skirt, and only the functional buttons got to be sewn on. Also my grand tradition of wearing stuff for the first time unhemmed was continued *grin* This was quite possibly one of the most complex things I've made to date and I was quite pleased with the way it turned out (when you put a 4 piece jacket and six piece facing together and they match exactly it's hard not to be self congratulatory *grin*). There was some cursing over pieces sewn together wrongly at frightful hours, but generally it was well-behaved. Still, I'm glad it's done....now, back to the 15th century :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 06:56:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25486 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:56:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA17517; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA08741 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA08734 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:06:13 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6MOQa24955 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4259e93e.244c67fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Not the "regular" pattern companies, but people who actually do research and draft from originals so that there are accurate pattens for use. But unfortunately, I've seen far too many "Halloween costume" pattterns used for "ye olde looke" by people and at places where they should try for accuracy. I "practice" with an English country dance group locally (and have for over 12 years) but will not "perform" with them (again use that loosely) since the first time I did and saw their costumes (in the modern Simplicity patttern term), modern hair and glasses, etc. They've been doing it since the Bicenntennial and have no desire to change--but a few newer people have noticed my clothes and asked info and have actually made stays and correct clothing. If only the Simplicity pattern ones would stay at purely social functions and not step into the world of performances and museums who of course don't know when they ask these people to do performances and the group says they are historically accurate. I just don't want to be seen with them in public in those clothes. Nice people, but totally clueless. Charlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 10:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21159 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:03:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA03062; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA23564 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f303.hotmail.com [207.82.251.216]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA23555 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 52803 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 1999 14:12:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990419141225.52802.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:11:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:11:48 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Dear Kevin & Mara, Did you see my later post, correcting this message? I was excited, and in a hurry. The stock is c. 1890 - 1940. Susannah >From: Kevin & Mara Riley >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) > > >-Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley > >Susannah, is that really late 18th-early 19th, or late 19th-early 20th? > >Mara > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Susannah Eanes >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: H-COST: silk stockings >> >> >> > >> >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >> > >> >I have access to the inventory of an old store that contains, among >> >other wonderful things, original late 18th - early 19th c. silk >> >stockings & corsets in their original boxes. I don't know how they >> >have stood up to the decades of being stored away in an >> >unheated/uncooled store attic warehouse, but they sure look & feel >> >pretty good to me. The owner is currently assessing these items for >> >sale either in lots or as one whole. If anyone is interested in >> >finding out more, please e-mail me privately. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 10:40:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21598 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:40:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA08685; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA29267 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA29242 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.E39597B0@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 9:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <371B5140.104A@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:52:40 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Crocheted shawl References: <3.0.5.32.19990416205011.007af8c0@onramp.i2k.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg Lynn Carpenter wrote: > Hope, what about *netted* shawls? I have a photocopy of a netted shawl > pattern which is supposed to be from Godey's "~1850's". The page # is 392, > > And maybe you can date my pattern more precisely. Hi - I can't date it precisely as I don't have all the volumes for the 1850s :-( sigh But I can help you narrow it down a bit. It's not in any of the following: Jan-June 1852, July-Dec 1855, Jan-June 1856, all of 1857, all of 1858 March and April 1857 have a two-part article on how to do netting which includes several different netting designs, but does not indicate what you would actually make with the netting. Not much help I'm afraid... - Hope ---------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 11:08:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21886 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:08:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA13011; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA04991 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA04977 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne.creighton.edu (brujne.creighton.edu [147.134.201.104]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09498 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:17:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904191517.KAA09498@mailjay.creighton.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Cindy Abel" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:18:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: EXIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4259e93e.244c67fb@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Cindy Abel" Friday I went to the Western Heritage Museum here in Omaha to see the touring exibit of 20 of the 80 dresses Princess Diana had auctioned in 1997. Included are the so-called "Travolta dress"(the ink blue dress she wore to the White House), the pink two-piece silk with very complicated embroidery, the two sheath dresses she wore to the two-day auction itself, and the green sequin"mermaid" dress. Because the weather was so horrid, it wasn't crowded and I was able to check out most of the dresses from all angles making mental notes since photographs were banned, of course, and also any sketching or notes. Because of the properly controlled lighting, it was hard to pick up details(seaming especially) on the darker gowns, but the cut, construction and details on most of the gowns are things that never show up in photographs(sleeves cut more on a 19th century line as they are two-piece and have the slightest curve to follow the natural curve of the arm)and most seams and darts on the gowns follow the body(such as you can have when you have the $$ or the time and skill for custom made clothes!) There was a catalog and other goodies to buy, but moi is currently low on cash and what I would have preferred of course, would have been a book on the design, fabric history, and actual construction of the gowns. Any expert on the list interested in getting the rights to do such a project? I will shortly be doing a Princess Diana doll in porcelain--my teacher finally found a mold where the sculpt really looks like her--and several of us in class will be making it. A few have started and the original artist has patterns for the "Travolta" dress and a two-piece dress and jacket in bright pink satin. Some classmates want me to do the wedding dress(very easy to research, at least), but I'm leaning towards a 1880's style dress she wore in Canada, I think on a 1983 tour. I think the original was a cream silk or satin with a little pancake-shaped hat she wore in honor of Yukon days or whatever it was called. I can't remember where I saw the picture but it stuck in my mind because of the historic style of the dress. I will have to go to our local main library who has the older issues in hardcopy of "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature" in order to find some articles. But does anyone on the list have any hints on where I might find photographs of this dress? It looks as if there are going to be lots of this particular Diana doll at our local show in September(I can imagine it now--"Dueling Dianas at Doll Show")and I want to combine my interest in historic costume and desire to do something different from everyone else. Plus I have a reputation to keep up--I'm getting known for doing a doll differently from everyone else! Don't know if that's good or bad! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 11:25:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22096 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:25:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA16030; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA08345 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f50.hotmail.com [207.82.250.61]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA08330 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 57267 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 1999 15:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990419153513.57266.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:35:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:35:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Kind readers: Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? ??? And did her accent seem incredibly Scottish for someone purporting to be a Duchess residing in London? I know she was actually an actress portraying a Duchess, but did they mean to pick a Scottish actress to portray the actress portraying a Duchess? How stupid do they think we are? The men's costuming by and large seems to be superb, given my limited knowledge of maritime garments. Did they screw up on the ladies' attire, or am I just totally wrong on the time period being portrayed? I haven't read the C.S. Forester novel, btw. Maybe if I had, I could answer my own questions. If anyone has any insight into this puzzle, please let me know. Susannah _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 11:36:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22235 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:36:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA18023; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA10383 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA10361 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:44:38 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id aRYMa18186; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:43:01 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: EXIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES To: Cindy.Abel@creighton.edu, h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 4/19/99 10:18:53 AM Central Daylight Time, Cindy.Abel@creighton.edu writes: << 'm leaning towards a 1880's style dress she wore in Canada, I think on a 1983 tour. >> Yes, I thought it sounded familar. I have a couple of picture books on her. I found it in the one. It is in the book: Diana Princess of Wales- A Tribute by Tim Graham --Welcome Rain, New York, New York, ISBN #1-56649-599-7 It shows the front and part of the side plus the bag and gloves. You can see the boots also. It is on page 39. I hope that helps. Kelly Albrecht m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 11:54:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22458 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:54:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA21506; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA14326 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA14270 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25879 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <371B53B9.BA588E75@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:05:25 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry References: <000101be8a1e$2d2e17c0$5a3daccf@costume> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue I saw the tapestry about a year ago. The background is sorta cream-colored -- but I would expect that professional film people could correct the color once it was filmed. Likewise they could have access to very low-light film so that they could film with the conservation lights only. The two things I'd look for to decide if the film version is real or not -- I'm no expert, however: 1. are all border figures finished. The original's border figures are not evenly spaced, some only partially finished. There are figures that are only outlined and never filled in with stitching. The very first panel has an unfinished left border. 2. if it shows the end (extreme right edge) as a finished pice with a border, it's not original. The original cuts off in the middle of a scene with horses, before William is crowned. The tapestry museum theorized that the tapestry was at least long enough to show his crowning, since the rest of it seems to be somewhat justifying his invasion, it would make sense to end the story at his coronation. -- Cynthia Virtue, theobromian =-=-=-=-= Easy medieval hats for everyone! http://www.virtue.to/virtue/articles/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 12:14:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11386 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:14:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA25174; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA20195 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA20131 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16467 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 19 Apr 99 12:18:57 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 99 10:10:22 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Old blue jeans X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Margo wrote: > I'm finding Gold Rush costume to be fascinating and infuriating. Every >diary I read contradicts the one I read before it! For example, one diarist >describes going to a dance and says that the ladies attending wore calico >dresses, men's boots and a ribbon if they were lucky. Another diarist, >writing about a dance the same year in a mining town the same size and 20 >miles away, describes ladies wearing elaborate toilettes with short sleeves >and low necks, and changing their gowns two and three times during the >evening! I understand the frustration. The economic history of the California Gold Rush, and its impact on the clothing worn there, has yet to be written - and I am not the person to do it, either. However, to interpret the Gold Rush in costume that is accurate needn't be all that difficult. Any town that was established enough to have buildings still standing that you are interpreting today, was not a town that was experiencing shortages. It had supply routes well established to bring in building materials (and therefore any other products the settlers wanted), and it had an economic system well-enough founded that the citizens could pay for whatever was imported. The real times of shortages and strange contrasts like the one described above, are likely to have happened early on in the Gold Rush, when everything was still up in the air. To my knowlege, there are no sites in California that can interpret that period - because the buildings were all temporarty: tents, log cabins, lean-tos and rough frame structures. Look at the photos. Whenever a picture is taken in a town that is a town - with a main street and three or four substantial buildings, the women are decently dressed. I am curious about this changing gowns two and three times during the evening. Why would they do this? Pure ostentation? I am reminded of a well-known story from the Gold Rush. The Rush, to begin with, was a largely all-male phenomenon. Women, especially white women, were extraordinarily rare in the early Gold Fields (prior to the 1850's). One day a group of miners found the baggage of an emigrant wagon that had been tossed out to lighten the load going over the mountains. In the baggage the miners found a woman's dress and bonnet. It had been so long since these men had seen a white woman that they set up a post and hung the dress on it, topping it off with a bonnet. They then held a "war dance" around the effigy, in celebration of all their memories, hopes and aspirations about the women they had left at home. I repeat this story because I find it sweet, but it is also indicative of just how rare white women were in the early mines. The probability is that the site Margo is interpreting dates from a period and location in the Gold Rush where things were well-established enough that women were fairly well clad. >The reproduction Levis that we make are made exactly like an old pair of >Levis that we own which were found in an old mining camp in Nevada -- The >Levi Strauss Museum has dated them at 1880's -- They are the oldest known >surviving pair. > >We make these in the same denim fabric used in the originals -- These are >as close as you will ever get to the originals and are appropriate for >1850 - The blue denim would have been used at that time -- We also make >them in other colors of denim. (brown, etc.) No, I don't think so. I think we can do much better. I took a look at the pants this company offers and, while you may never do better for interpreting the 1880's, you could not do much worse for interpreting the Gold Rush. Clearly these pants are cut much more slimly than the 1850's, and that rear rise is positively tight. Since you are not sure that you are going to need Gold Rush pants, Margo, I won't do more than say that if anyone _is_ interested in the proper cut for these, Jim Miller in Columbia could probably help you. I also have photos from the Old Sturbridge Village collection of those brown linen trousers that might help as well. By the way, I didn't see anything on this website that is appropriate for the Gold Rush. Be careful. David _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 12:18:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14236 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:18:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27139; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA23619 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA23572 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18274 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 19 Apr 99 12:27:16 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 99 10:32:10 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Gold Rush X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Joan Broneske wrote: >A couple of years ago, I attended a workshop at the Eagle Theater in Old = >Sacramento which was put on by a husband and wife team called "Chile N' = >Crackers". They had patterns that they had taken from actual garments = >for a woman's workdress, man's bib-front shirt, trousers with front = >flap, a women's corded petticoat, a calash and a couple of house caps. = >The woman also made beautiful reproduction calico buttons. They used to = >have a web site, but I couldn't find it again. These items were billed = >as "Gold Rush Era" >The buttons are sold through Past Patterns = >(http://www.thepoint.net/~pastpat/button.html) >I do have the address for Chile N' Crackers, it is P.O. Box 442, = >Columbia, CA 95310. Phone is 209-588-9513 Chil N' Crackers is the business owned by my friends Jim and Lindy Miller. I do recommend that you talk with them about your Gold Rush living history projects. They are wonderful people and very knowlegeable. David _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 13:01:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16545 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:01:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA06880; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA09224 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA09138 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990419171009.RUXF3300.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:10:09 -0700 Message-ID: <007301be8a87$baf6b120$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:11:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I will look at the movie later tonight but I do know that there are members of the SCA that have reconstructed selected panels of this tapestry in the Texas Oklahoma area. I saw one once and thought it was just a print of it only to find out that it was a reconstruction. It was beautiful. I was told that several ladies had sat down one summer and did panels together, kinda like a quilting circle. The movie folks either had the real one actually filmed with highly specialized film, which with Mr. big bucks Kevin Costner as a member of the production team it is quite likely, or they had a team of people reconstruct one for the production. If the film was used of the original there is technology that can do the very thing we see in this movie. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Penny Ladnier To: h-costume Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry : :-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" : :I was watching "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" tonight. I don't know why I :never noticed before that during the opening credits that they were showing :the Bayeux Tapestry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 13:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17078 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:45:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA15545; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA25016 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA24946 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ZIEP-000BZP-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:53:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:52:04 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry In-Reply-To: <000101be8a1e$2d2e17c0$5a3daccf@costume> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <000101be8a1e$2d2e17c0$5a3daccf@costume>, Penny Ladnier writes > >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >I was watching "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" tonight. I don't know why I >never noticed before that during the opening credits that they were showing >the Bayeux Tapestry. I went back and watched the credits again to look at >the condition of the tapestry. I want to define if the film's tapestry was a >remake or the orginal. I just can't imagine the Bayeux owners to allow >someone to place bright lights for filming on such a delicate piece of work. >Did anyone hear anything about the tapestry during the filming of this >movie? The tapestry shown during the opening credits appeared in excellent >condition. If this is a remake, the embroider did a wonderful job. The >stitches and spaces appear to be placed in the correct for the original. I >am leary of the bright white background in the film version. Most of the >photos I have seen of the original, the background is off-white, sometimes >yellowed. Has anyone seen the original in person and can comment on the >condition of the background? If you have the video, please watch the >beginning and let me know your opinions. > >Has anyone noticed that midway through the film, Marion is embroidering on a >"new" panel of the Bayeax Tapestry? > >Later...Penny >http://www.costumegallery.com > I think there is a replica of the Bayeux tapestry at Hastings or Battle Abbey. It was made fairly recently - in the last 15-20 years I think. Any embroidery buffs remember it being on the news? Maybe the film makers were allowed to use that. Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 14:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17521 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:20:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA21451; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA05051 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA04962 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-6.agt.net ([161.184.43.6]:1029 "HELO Freya") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <542831-11230>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:19:20 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: RE: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990419181928Z542831-11230+51@edtnps05.telusplanet.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:19:20 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) "Susannah Eanes" wrote: > Why did it seem on >last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that >the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and >early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? I thought she should have been wearing Empire dresses; she was portraying a Duchess, & was really an actress--either way, she should have been 'fashionably dressed'. As for the date, the intro said 1790's, I believe, and the show didn't take place over much more than a single year. >And did her accent seem incredibly Scottish for someone purporting to >be a Duchess residing in London? I wouldn't have called the accent Scottish, myself; she said that she was the daughter of the Duke's 'mill' (plant) manager, which accounted for the lower-class accent & manners. When she wasn't 'playing' the Duchess, she dropped the accent. (E.g. the last few scenes of her & HH together.) >I haven't read the C.S. Forester novel, btw. Maybe if I had, I could >answer my own questions. No, if you had, you'd have turned off the TV halfway through. My husband has been re-reading the books, and that's what he did. They've crammed several decent stories into one movie, and dramatically re-arranged the plot & 'jazzed up' the characters so that Forester fans must surely be pulling their hair out. The characterization of HH in the movies isn't nearly as complete as in the novels. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 14:30:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17592 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:29:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA23439; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA10352 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:30:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA09972 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p45.directcon.net [206.170.184.94]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03685 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:27:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:27:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904191927.LAA03685@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Old blue jeans Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:10 AM 4/19/99 EDT, you wrote: >I understand the frustration. The economic history of the California Gold >Rush, and its impact on the clothing worn there, has yet to be written - and I >am not the person to do it, either. Well, if I continue to be as fascinated as I am, I can see doing that book...in about 20 years. > >I am curious about this changing gowns two and three times during the evening. >Why would they do this? Pure ostentation? Probably. Here's the relevant quote, from A Buckeye in the land of Gold, Letters and jounals of William Dennison Bickham; describing a ball at Pilot Hill on Feb. 15, 1851: "Mrs G. appeared in the ball room during the evening with three different dresses, Miss L. with two changes was content. Huzzah for California." Bickham is a good source for clothing, even describing ladies' dresses in detail, which one might expect of a man with four sisters. As for Hamilton Dry Good's Levi's, I was afraid of that. I would like to tell the list members, however, that these people appear to give excellent service, answering numerous emails in detail and even emailing me to check up on me when I hadn't talked to them in a while. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 14:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17829 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:43:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25505; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16373 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16348 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10135 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371B79A2.A66C1CE8@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:44:50 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Costume College References: <50107DFA67E5D211BC6D00A0C9AA05020119B1@vail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Jill, The web-site for Costume College is at members.aol.com/ccollege99. It's July 23-25, 1999. We fly in from Boston and consider it definitely worth the trip. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 16:10:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18894 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:10:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA12177; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:20:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA07274 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA07268 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13235 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904192115.NAA13235@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Old blue jeans Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Here's the relevant quote, from A Buckeye in the land of Gold, >Letters and jounals of William Dennison Bickham; describing a ball at Pilot >Hill on Feb. 15, 1851: > >"Mrs G. appeared in the ball room during the evening with three different >dresses, Miss L. with two changes was content. Huzzah for California." > Whoops! I just went back and read the whole section in the book, not the reference card I'd written. What I missed here is that Mrs G, a widow, and Miss L have just been married at this ball, "in the Morman rite". One assumes they were married to men, (or to one man, it being a Morman rite at the time of polygamy) not to each other. At any rate, the fact that we're talking about their weddings makes a difference. I'm still wondering what they wore. Since the wedding was at the ball with gentiles present, it wouldn't have been their temple garments, and since Mrs G was a widow, I'm guessing she didn't wear a bridal veil. Maybe they were just showing off their troussoux? I can see that I'm going to have to research Morman clothing, too, if I'm going to make an intense study of the Gold Rush. One refererence I found described Morman men with long hair "tied up in ribbons like ladies"! Charging off in all directions, Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 16:23:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19034 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:23:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA14767; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA09409 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (hbv@shell.tsoft.com [198.144.192.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA09369 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (hbv@localhost) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15018 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Ho To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E In-Reply-To: <19990419153513.57266.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Vincent Ho On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Susannah Eanes wrote: > > -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > Kind readers: > > Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on > last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that > the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and > early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? It was in 1793, or shortly thereafter. -- Vincent B. Ho hbv@tsoft.com -- Flow my tears, fall from your springs, Exiled forever: Let me mourn where night's black bird her sad infamy sings, there let me live forlorn. --John Dowland (2nd book of Songs or Ayres, 1600) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 16:26:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19053 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:26:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA06455; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA08619 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isis.netherworld.com (isis.Netherworld.COM [199.165.233.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA08606 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost by isis.netherworld.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA15076 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:58:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Sylvia Rognstad To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E In-Reply-To: <19990419153513.57266.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sylvia Rognstad > > -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on > last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that > the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and > early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? I havent seen last night's episode yet, but I recall that the time specified for episode I was 1793. I dont know how much time is supposed to have elapsed by now. And YES, there's a man! Sylvia R _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 16:30:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19132 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:30:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA22879; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA12539 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA12496 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10002 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371B77F6.6E729AD@serv.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:37:43 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I think there is a replica of the Bayeux tapestry at Hastings or Battle > Abbey. It was made fairly recently - in the last 15-20 years I think. > Any embroidery buffs remember it being on the news? Maybe the film > makers were allowed to use that. What I remember was that someone *completed* the Tapestry as accurately as possible. Not that a new one or a duplicate was made but that the final scene was completed. The tapestry itself (not really a tapestry but an embroidery) is kept in Reading I am told. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 17:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19841 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:32:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA27595; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA22426 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA22384 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP104.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.64]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19251 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004c01be8aad$3068c360$401bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:40:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! There is a professor at an Ontario university (can't remember now whether it's Laurier, Waterloo, or Guelph) who has stitched a complete replica of the tapestry, including "completing" the final scene. He did it over about 10 years, essentially for fun, and last I heard, it was touring Canada. It's a little smaller than actual size, but is extremely cool (I've seen it, and the work is beautiful). I'll sniff around and see if I can find more info. Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 17:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19967 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:40:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA28288; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA23197 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA23185 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 38.29.61.152 (ip152.phoenix8.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.29.61.152]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17616 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371B413C.24A6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:44:12 +0000 From: "S.B. McDaniel" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: H. Hornblower on A&E References: <199904191620.KAA20245@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "S.B. McDaniel" >From the context, the action in last night's movie would be taking place in about 1795. I know very little about 18th c. dress, but my friend who watched it with me claims the "duchess" was pretty well dressed for the period. She had done a good deal of 18th c. reenactment, and is fairly knowlegable. On the accent: The character was an actress spying for the English, posing as a north country mill owner's daughter who had married a duke. Her accent was not Scottish, but the appropriate accent for such a woman. When the actress/spy dropped her impersonation she spoke in a middle class London accent. Cheri Lunghi is a wonderful and skilled actress whom I thought did a perfect job in this role. Sandy "Susannah Eanes" wrote: > Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on > last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that > the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and > early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? > ??? > And did her accent seem incredibly Scottish for someone purporting to > be a Duchess residing in London? I know she was actually an actress > portraying a Duchess, but did they mean to pick a Scottish actress to > portray the actress portraying a Duchess? How stupid do they think > we are? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 17:42:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19999 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:42:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA29801; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA24431 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA24337 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA22789; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:48:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lai-ca4-101.ix.netcom.com(209.110.245.101) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022718; Mon Apr 19 16:47:56 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990419144743.007c89e0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: alikhat@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:48:11 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Alikhat Subject: Re: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Alikhat At 08:35 AM 4/19/99 PDT, Susannah Eanes wrote: >Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on >last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that >the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and >early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? The story is set in the early 1790's, and yes, I noticed that her fashions wandered a bit, too. Perhaps that was intentional, though, since her character was an actress *pretending* to be a Duchess and her clothes might just be costumes from plays she'd been in. >And did her accent seem incredibly Scottish for someone purporting to >be a Duchess residing in London? I know she was actually an actress >portraying a Duchess, but did they mean to pick a Scottish actress to >portray the actress portraying a Duchess? How stupid do they think >we are? The accent was Yorkshire, actually. And as much as it annoyed me, too, it was clearly intentional, as she dropped it in favor of a nice, stately BBC-British accent as soon as she "dropped character". To an American ear, the latter may sound far more regal, but she did say that the Duchess was a real person, so perhaps the idea was that she would speak with the accent of the region she came from. Just a thought, anyway. Alikhat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 18:44:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20662 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:44:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA13308; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA06272 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA06261 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990419225245.SPQF8247.tracker@spike.excite.com> for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:52:45 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Message-Id: <924562365.29533.388@excite.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:52:45 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > There is a professor at an Ontario university (can't remember now whether > it's Laurier, Waterloo, or Guelph) who has stitched a complete replica of > the tapestry, including "completing" the final scene. He did it over about > 10 years, essentially for fun, and last I heard, it was touring Canada. > It's a little smaller than actual size, but is extremely cool (I've seen it, > and the work is beautiful). > > I'll sniff around and see if I can find more info. > > Susan Carroll-Clark Might there possibly be a website for this newer working? I'd love to see it, if at all possible! Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 19:04:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20892 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:04:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA16735; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA09982 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.jps.net (jps.downlink.skycache.com [209.63.224.103]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA09967 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.232] (209-63-113-232.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.232]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13563; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904200713.AAA13563@smtp6.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:15:08 -0700 Subject: H-COST: Symposium Report From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" CC: dale , dale2 Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" The first Triannual R.L. Shep Symposium on Textiles on Dress took place this last weekend at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art in the Bing Auditorium. All I can say is that it exceeded my expectations - and the audience, which was quite substantial, was very enthusied by the talks that were given. The Theme was *Dress as Transformation* which was explored in terms of both historical dress and ethnic dress. And the speakers were leaders in their fields rom all over this country and even one from England. To all of you who missed it, we hope to publish the proceedings later this year. The NEXT Symposium will take place on 15 December 2002 in conjunction with the opening of a large exhibit of Noh Costumes at LACMA and will center around this theme. Mark you calendars! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 20:11:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21679 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:11:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA28689; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA19887 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA19875 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc429928-a.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.3.63.99]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990420002046.OGCS29499.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc429928-a.hwrd1.md.home.com> for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:20:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19990419201836.3eafbc26@connext.net> X-Sender: micki@connext.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (16) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:18:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Michel McCabe Subject: H-COST: Opinions, do you have any In-Reply-To: <199904192115.NAA13235@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Michel McCabe The current "issue" for the Edward Hamilton Bookseller has several possibly useful books listed, A Pictorial History of Costume Edited by Dorine van den Beukel, published at $29.95, listed at $ 19.95 Fashion Design 1850-1895 published at $29.95, listed at $ 19.95 Dress & Decoration of the Middle Ages by Henry Shaw "orig published in 1858" this seems to be a soft cover repro of the original - $14.95 anyone familiar with these _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 20:40:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22027 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:40:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA03980; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA23729 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA23719 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.96.178.41] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 10ZOiP-0005Fl-00; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:48:41 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990420004700.006db3e0@mail.widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@mail.widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:47:00 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: H. Hornblower on A&E Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 02:44 PM 4/19/99 +0000, you wrote: > >-Poster: "S.B. McDaniel" > >>From the context, the action in last night's movie would be taking place >in about 1795. I know very little about 18th c. dress, but my friend who >watched it with me claims the "duchess" was pretty well dressed for the >period. She had done a good deal of 18th c. reenactment, and is fairly >knowlegable. > >On the accent: The character was an actress spying for the English, >posing as a north country mill owner's daughter who had married a duke. >Her accent was not Scottish, but the appropriate accent for such a >woman. When the actress/spy dropped her impersonation she spoke in a >middle class London accent. Cheri Lunghi is a wonderful and skilled >actress whom I thought did a perfect job in this role. > >Sandy I re-watched it tonight, and the accent sounds North Country to me, not Scottish. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 21:05:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22322 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:05:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA10550; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA26802 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id TAA26785 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9799 invoked from network); 20 Apr 1999 01:13:36 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-167.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.167) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 01:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <371BA238.EB8@mc.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:38:00 -0700 From: heather X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: O.T. "Which Heather?" References: <199904191620.KAA20245@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: heather Sorry for the o.t. stuff, but some folks seem to be confused by posts from "lynnx@mc.net"; understandable. There are 2 of us using this addy, me (Heather, name on the email addy) and Carol Mitchell, who originally subscribed us to this list. To deconfuse, look at the signature *below* the post. Thanks, Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 22:41:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23498 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:41:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA27431; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA06868 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA06856 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.186] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10ZQTG-0006Lj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:41:10 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:42:20 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry In-Reply-To: <371B77F6.6E729AD@serv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" One group in the SCA completed a copy of the Bayeux tapestry a few years ago, but I do not recall which group. -- Carol At 11:37 AM 4/19/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >> I think there is a replica of the Bayeux tapestry at Hastings or Battle >> Abbey. It was made fairly recently - in the last 15-20 years I think. >> Any embroidery buffs remember it being on the news? Maybe the film >> makers were allowed to use that. > >What I remember was that someone *completed* the Tapestry as accurately as >possible. Not that a new one or a duplicate was made but that the final scene >was completed. The tapestry itself (not really a tapestry but an embroidery) is >kept in Reading I am told. >-- >Cynthia Long >Merouda the True of Bornover >Barony of Madrone >Kingdom of An Tir > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 19 23:40:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24376 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:40:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA05164; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA14430 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA14419 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:48:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 6JKYa00664 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74ea6104.244d52a5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:46:45 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com If I remember correctly, in one of the "Henry II movies" (I can't recall if it was "Becket" or "Lion in Winter", since Peter O'Toole played Henry in both), probably "Becket" there is a scene that shows Henry's mohter, the Empress Matilda, embroidering -- the Bayeux Tapestry! I laughed. Kathleen Norvell "How many costumes do you think I can pack?" --"Start the Revolution Without Me" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 00:36:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25477 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA12345; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA19748 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA19741 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-83.radiks.net [206.29.243.85]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08999 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990419234342.008cf790@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:43:42 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Diana dress exhibit In-Reply-To: <199904191620.KAA20245@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger We went to see this exhibit Saturday, and happened to run into a couple of friends there, so there were four of us leaning as close to the glass as we could get, taking mental notes. One could even occasionally see one of us on our hands and knees, looking at hem details. We spent about an hour+ there, trying to determine where the seams went, if there was boning, other construction and trimming details, etc. Our favorites were the burgundy velvet sheath dress with tailcoat, and the pink wild silk with the Mughal-style embroidery on bodice and jacket. We bought all three books that were for sale: the exhibit catalog, one titled "Dressing Diana", and one about the designer Catherine Walker. Some time ago we found another book (at Sam's Club, of all places) called "Diana: Her Life in Fashion". Author is Georgina Howell, publisher Rizzoli International, c. 1998, ISBN 0-8478-2137-4. It's more or less a chronological biography of her wardrobe, the things that makes it interesting are the back views, designer's sketches, and extreme closeups of embroidery and beadwork. Also in the back is a complete listing of the lots for Christie's auction. Unfortunately, not all are pictured, but several are. Cindy, not sure if the one you are interested in is in there or not - couldn't place it from your brief description. Absolutely enjoyed the exhibit! Pierre and Sandy >- -Poster: "Cindy Abel" > >Friday I went to the Western Heritage Museum here in Omaha to see the >touring exibit of 20 of the 80 dresses Princess Diana had auctioned >in 1997. Included are the so-called "Travolta dress"(the ink blue >dress she wore to the White House), the pink two-piece silk with very >complicated embroidery, the two sheath dresses she wore to the >two-day auction itself, and the green sequin"mermaid" dress. Because >the weather was so horrid, it wasn't crowded and I was able to check >out most of the dresses from all angles making mental notes since >photographs were banned, of course, and also any sketching or notes. >Because of the properly controlled lighting, it was hard to pick up >details(seaming especially) on the darker gowns, but the cut, >construction and details on most of the gowns are things that never >show up in photographs(sleeves cut more on a 19th century line as >they are two-piece and have the slightest curve to follow the natural >curve of the arm)and most seams and darts on the gowns follow the >body(such as you can have when you have the $$ or the time and skill >for custom made clothes!) > >There was a catalog and other goodies to buy, but moi is currently >low on cash and what I would have preferred of course, would have >been a book on the design, fabric history, and actual construction of >the gowns. Any expert on the list interested in getting the rights >to do such a project? > >Some classmates >want me to do the wedding dress(very easy to research, at least), but >I'm leaning towards a 1880's style dress she wore in Canada, I think >on a 1983 tour. I think the original was a cream silk or satin with >a little pancake-shaped hat she wore in honor of Yukon days or >whatever it was called. I can't remember where I saw the picture but >it stuck in my mind because of the historic style of the dress. I >will have to go to our local main library who has the older issues in >hardcopy of "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature" in order to >find some articles. But does anyone on the list have any hints on >where I might find photographs of this dress? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 02:34:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA25617 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:34:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA20463; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA28305 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA28295 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.3) id CAA10119 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:41:07 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199904200241_MC2-72AE-26AD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id CAA25617 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson There was a repro done a while ago with a company from England Maderia wools. I think the web page was maderia.co.uk, but I'm not sure, there was some info on it anyhow (the repro) Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 07:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA31878 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:01:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA04134; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA18447 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA18441 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21213 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:58:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:02:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: Christina Nevin To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: HB Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:02:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Christina Nevin Alikhat wrote: The accent was Yorkshire, actually. And as much as it annoyed me, too, it was clearly intentional, as she dropped it in favor of a nice, stately BBC-British accent as soon as she "dropped character". To an American ear, the latter may sound far more regal, but she did say that the Duchess was a real person, so perhaps the idea was that she would speak with the accent of the region she came from. Just a thought, anyway. Yes, especially as "class accents" were a development in the 18th century. They were entrenched by the 19th century, so now we don't realize "it wasn't always so". Previously the nobility spoke with the accent of the region they came from, as same as the gentry, middle and lower classes. Apparently Sir Walter Raleigh, the epitome of a courtier, spoke with a strong Midlands accent all his life (think Sean Bean from "Sharpe"). I find that notion somewhat amusing, for some reason. I gotta admit I did the same as Angela's husband and switched off halfway through an episode of HB though. I was very disappointed in the adaptation. Speaking of adaptations - has anyone seen the latest BBC "Scarlet Pimpernel"? One of my top twenty favorite books but they _totally_ ignored the entire point of the books (i.e. master of disguise/tactical genius and improviser/etc) and went for "James Bond in the eighteenth century". Having said that, as "007 1780s" I enjoyed it. The nobles' clothes were _absolutely gorgeous_. I'm not too up on C.18 fashion, so couldn't tell whether they were historically accurate but they looked very like some of the stuff they have in the Museum of London. There were several ballroom scenes where both the men's and women's dress was to kill for. All those peacocks make modern men look sooo boring! Brocade and lace left, right and center... What did other people think of it? Cheers, Tina _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 08:45:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00312 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:45:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA10995; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA25838 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA25832 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07490 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Tue, 20 Apr 99 8:53:24 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 99 8:53:29 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, I must admit that I have not actually watched the Horatio Hornblower series, so I probably shouldn't comment. However, I am a big fan of C.S. Forester, read many of the books and feel sorry for the fact that his Hornblower character seems not to translate well into film - well, popular film at any rate. The only other time I know of that it went before cameras was the film made in the 1950's, with Gregory Peck as Hornblower. Given Hollywood's fear of making anything that isn't "boffo boxoffice," it is surprising that thefilm was made at all. Still, even with a screenplay partly written by Forester himself, and an attempt to portray the less glamorous aspects of Royal Navy service, the film was truly wretched. As wretched as only Hollywood knows how to do it. I have stayed away from the current series largely because I really like the Hornblower books and I really like the series' designer. I first decided not to watch the series when I saw a photograph of the lead actor. My God, Forester would never recognize that pretty boy as his skinny, awkward young Hornblower. I wonder if they included in the series the fact that Hornblower was actually seasick in Spithead, afraid of heights (so he hated to go aloft) and was absolutely tone-deaf and so found music irritating. I wonder, too, if they included the fact that he was perpetually concerned with the image he projected, fearing that if others found out how softhearted and uncertain he was they would not trust him to lead them, so he spent his life wearing mask of stern superiority and suffered from loneliness? No, that wouldn't be boffo boxoffice. But since this is the costume list, and not the Forester list, I might comment that one of my favorite costume designers, John Mollo, was at the helm on this production. Mollo is an acknowleged expert on military matters, is the author of numerous respected works on British uniforms, and yet has had to suffer through working on such series as "Sharpe", films like "Revolution" and, by all accounts, now this. It must be hard for the man to have to continually compromise his deep knowlege of such matters because of the realities of working in film. He has written a brilliant account of his experiences on "The Charge of the Light Brigade" the first film he ever designed, where he had to endure the usual ignorance of directors. Tony Richardson, the director, called the young Mollo in to discuss the design and said emphatically that he did not want Mollo to put the British Army in red coats. He felt that they were cliche, and wanted to see them all in dark blue. Mollo left the meeting stunned, not knowing how he could turn down such an important job, but not knowing how he could represent the British infantry in the Crimean War in the wrong color uniforms. An old hand on the set took him aside and said "Don't worry. Here's what you do. Do a couple of test shots with extras in blue coats with lots of dust and gunsmoke floating around, and then do the same shots with red coats. Don't try to tell the director that the red coats are the only accurate choice, tell him they look better on film." Mollo did it and was allowed to put the men in red coats. And so it has ever been with his career. Except in rare cases, it is typical of film work that the first budget they cut - before special effects, before music, even before catering, is costuming. Most directors are wholly ignorant of such matters and indifferent besides. Thus, in the current production one sees Royal Navy Marines in 1793 wearing uniforms of a style ten years too early. The sailors' costumes are reasonably good, but the officers' hats are absurdly misshaped. The strange combinations of women's fashions will be obvious as well. Some look quite good (usually the lead actresses) while others are impossibly wrong. No doubt Mollo has had to make the usual concessions to poor budgets (forcing him to rent most of the costumes), director's ignorance and indifference and actors' egos. So, if you see something strange in this series, do not blame the designer. Very likely he was the only one on the set who knew or cared about accuracy. David _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:02:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00546 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:01:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA12601; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA27414 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA27405 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03591 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:07:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00da01be8b2f$66857a60$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity pattern Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" One thing you must remember, though, is that the "big three" often cater to the ever growing number of us who do live roleplaying, mostly because we are the most vocal about it. We need stuff that we can run throught the woods in but to the untrained eye still looks "period". For the true historical costumer, they definitely need to be adapted, but still, they're something. > >-Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com > >Not the "regular" pattern companies, but people who actually do research and >draft from originals so that there are accurate pattens for use. But >unfortunately, I've seen far too many "Halloween costume" pattterns used for >"ye olde looke" by people and at places where they should try for accuracy. >I "practice" with an English country dance group locally (and have for over >12 years) but will not "perform" with them (again use that loosely) since the >first time I did and saw their costumes (in the modern Simplicity patttern >term), modern hair and glasses, etc. They've been doing it since the >Bicenntennial and have no desire to change--but a few newer people have >noticed my clothes and asked info and have actually made stays and correct >clothing. If only the Simplicity pattern ones would stay at purely social >functions and not step into the world of performances and museums who of >course don't know when they ask these people to do performances and the group >says they are historically accurate. I just don't want to be seen with them >in public in those clothes. Nice people, but totally clueless. >Charlene > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:05:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00570 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:05:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA12912; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA27747 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA27734 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03642 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:11:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00ef01be8b2f$e37b8780$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: H. Hornblower on A&E Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:15:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" As I recall, she was supposed to be a "BAD" actress... though she was waaay too amusing. > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > >Kind readers: > >Am I missing something or just totally confused? Why did it seem on >last night's episode of Horatio Hornblower (now THERE'S a man!) that >the Duchess seemed to be wearing early 1780s attire in one scene, and >early 1790s in the next, and I thought the time was early 1800s? > >??? >And did her accent seem incredibly Scottish for someone purporting to >be a Duchess residing in London? I know she was actually an actress >portraying a Duchess, but did they mean to pick a Scottish actress to >portray the actress portraying a Duchess? How stupid do they think >we are? > >The men's costuming by and large seems to be superb, given my limited >knowledge of maritime garments. Did they screw up on the ladies' >attire, or am I just totally wrong on the time period being portrayed? > >I haven't read the C.S. Forester novel, btw. Maybe if I had, I could >answer my own questions. If anyone has any insight into this puzzle, >please let me know. > >Susannah > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:18:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00717 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:18:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14261; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA29218 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA29209 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (alley.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.199]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25444 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:26:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904201326.IAA25444@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:26:44 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, do you have any In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.16.19990419201836.3eafbc26@connext.net> References: <199904192115.NAA13235@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" > Fashion Design 1850-1895 > published at $29.95, listed at $ 19.95 > I have this book, and I do like it. It is only illustrations, NO DATES or other text. If you already recognize the dates of various styles, it's good for ideas. I browsed through it last night for overskirt variations, and a few days ago for lace collars. Illustrations are loosely grouped by subject--bodices, sleeves, handbags, collars, evening gowns, underwear, shoes, etc. It's 9"x11", about 1" thick. kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:25:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00832 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14914; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA00155 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA00137 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11640 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: H-COST: Upcoming papers for Kalamazoo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton I promised I'd post a reminder to the list about this: The International Congress on Medieval Studies, run by the Medieval Institute at Western Michigan University, includes three costume-related sessions this year. (That I know of -- I haven't looked through the entire list of 532 sessions yet, and each session has three to four papers.) The conference will be May 6-9 at the usual venue in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Gale Owen-Crocker and I have again organized a dress/textiles track, with the following sessions/papers: Session 79: Dress and Textiles I: Art & Reality (Thursday 6 May, 1:30 p.m.) "The Use of Textiles in Religious Ritual: Sacred `Cloth' in the Armenian Rite -- A Preliminary Study of the Armenian Collections in Istanbul, Turkey" Marlene Breu, Western Michigan University, and Ronald Marchese, U. of Minnesota - Duluth "Why Valerie Wears Polka Dots: The Limitations of Medium on Twelfth-Century Enamels" Marcia Schlemm, Kansas City "`With Tars and with Tafeta': The Symbolic Use of Fabric and Dress in Six Middle English Alliterative Poems" Patricia A. Price, U. of Minnesota Session 125: Dress and Textiles II: Practical Considerations (Thursday 6 May, 3:30 p.m.) "Medieval Knitting in the Islamic World and Spain" Anne Reaves, Marian College "Lower-Class Flemish Women's Dress of the Later Sixteenth Century" Drea Leed, Springfield, Ohio "The Fifteenth-Century V-Neck Gown" Robin Netherton, Annandale, Virginia Members of this list may recognize Drea as a current member and Anne as a past one. Both of these sessions are sponsored by DISTAFF, a group we formed to organize people interested in costume who attend the Kalamazoo conference. (The letters stand for Discussion, Interpretation, and Study of Textile Arts, Fabrics, and Fashion.) DISTAFF will host an informal reception immediately after these two sessions, at 5:15 p.m., so the discussion can conveniently spill over from the sessions. (Last year, we just all sat in a circle and talked costume.) Earlier on the same day is another costume-related session, organized by the gracious and talented Desiree Koslin of New York University. This session is focused on literary and art interpretation: Session 27: Medieval Textiles and Attire: Object, Text, and Image (Thursday 6 May, 10 a.m.) "Christ as a Windblown Sleeve: The Ambiguity of Clothing as a Sign in Gottfried von Strassburg's _Tristan_" Margarita Yanson, U. of California-Berkeley "Marie de France's _Bisclavret_: What the Werewolf Will and Will Not Wear" Gloria Thomas Gilmore, U. of Utah "Unravelling the Mystery of Jan van Eyck's Cloths of Honor: Textiles as Sacred Object and Text" Donna M. Cottrell, Shaker Heights, Ohio "`Dressed in Humility': Fashioning Identity in an Age of Living Saints" Elizabeth R. Dunn, Georgetown University There may be other papers with a costume or textile focus scattered elsewhere in the four-day program; most of the other sessions, however, cover such areas as literature, art, history, economics, language, music, archaeology, pedagogy, etc. Information on the conference, including registration info, is available at . At-the-door registrations are accepted; housing is probably full by now, but there are plenty of hotels and a local SCA group that has been known to be friendly with crash space. Warning: The conference is a professional academic conference, and accordingly pricey: $95 regular, $65 for students with proof of current enrollment. This is not a costumed event. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00922 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA15011; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA00250 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f96.hotmail.com [207.82.250.215]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA00230 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 58760 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 13:36:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420133652.58759.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:36:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:36:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Forgive the long quote, but these points are important... > Mollo is an acknowleged expert on military matters, is the author >of numerous respected works on British uniforms, and yet has had to suffer >through working on such series as "Sharpe", films like "Revolution" and, by >all accounts, now this. It must be hard for the man to have to continually >compromise his deep knowlege of such matters because of the realities of >working in film. > >Most directors are wholly ignorant of such matters and indifferent >besides. Thus, in the current production one sees Royal Navy Marines in 1793 >wearing uniforms of a style ten years too early. Must be one reason why I thought the story was early 1800s. Still, for 1793, the only good reason I read from the responses to my original question was the one someone made about perhaps the actress/Duchess character was just wearing the things she had available in her acting wardrobe. Now that makes sense. Still, if she was a Duchess, and wanted to be believed one, she would not have PURPOSELY worn things an entire decade out of fashion (the lovely brown open-fronted robe, for instance --and it is lovely, if quite out of fashion for 1793) --and I am so sick and tired of seeing this type of pandering to popular ignorance by Hollywierd. Also, I was not aware of the humble birth of the Duchess. Thank you for letting me know. And, in my own ignorance, I cannot tell a northern accent from a Scottish one. So am I to gather that in this one detail, A&E got it right? And can anyone be surprised at my assumption that they did not, given their stupidity on costuming? >The sailors' costumes are >reasonably good, but the officers' hats are absurdly misshaped. The strange >combinations of women's fashions will be obvious as well. Some look quite good >(usually the lead actresses) while others are impossibly wrong. No doubt Mollo >has had to make the usual concessions to poor budgets (forcing him to rent >most of the costumes), director's ignorance and indifference and actors' egos. >So, if you see something strange in this series, do not blame the designer. >Very likely he was the only one on the set who knew or cared about accuracy. > >David I never blamed anyone but the producers of the series, and A&E, and never mentioned this blame in my original post. I know from the experience of friends who have worked as makeup artists & extras on sets how little regard Hollywierd has for accuracy in costume. This was the point I was getting to... Shouldn't we all who are concerned about things like this, and are sick & tired of trying to explain to visitors to the living history sites at which we work, why we don't look & act & talk like the idiotic wretches they see on TV/in movies, write en masse to A&E and TELL them it DOES matter? And btw, until the directors get it and I see a major change in the accuracy and direction of mundane theatrical costuming, I am going to KEEP saying a very loud and emphatic *NO* when theatre & TV people hear about me & wonder if I will do any work for them. I don't need the heartache & I am really *much* too much of an egotistical prima donna about my work! Or perhaps my ego isn't so large that I need to see my name in a list of film credits to satisfy my need for recognition. I, for one, could not hold my head up in public, and my pocketbook, thank God, does not suffer for this. Oh, but belittle not their choice of the actor who portrays Hornblower. It is lovely that they finally found someone with a chin to play a hero! And he does seem to me to be playing a fallible hero, which only increases his likeability. Now, if they can only find someone with chest hair... we might actually believe there are real men out there who act! Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:49:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01083 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA18153; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA03818 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA03807 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02159.; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:02:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:57:36 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:57:08 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: Hornblower Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA01083 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" I second Sandy's comments on the "Duchess" - the character told Hornblower she was imitating a real duchess who spoke with a north-country (not Scottish!) accent. As to date; the series of novels cover the entire period of the Napoleonic Wars, during which our hero rises to high rank and marries twice. It's about 30 years since I read the early ones so I forget the details, but it appears that to avoid having to "age" the dishy Ioan Gruffudd they have embroidered upon Hornblower's adventures as a junior officer in the 1790's, adapting some incidents from later stories. I'm told the uniforms are very authentic, so presumably the civilian clothes were well researched too. BTW, here in Britain we have just seen Ioan Gruffudd in "Great Expectations", so no doubt that will come your way in due course. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:51:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01155 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:51:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA18413; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04252 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04231; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904201400.IAA04231@indra.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Hong Kong Tour Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I just added to the Fashion Perspective Tours' Website details about their Hong Kong Tour during this summer's fashion week. If you would like more information about the tours go to http://www.costumegallery.com/fashion/tours.html Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 09:57:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01232 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:57:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA18776; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04979 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA04944 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03980 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <018b01be8b37$11aa7b00$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hornblower Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" According to A&E, this series is trying to encompass only the first book... if it is popular, they may do several of the other books... but they didn't want to do it an injustice by trying to cram too much into a two hour time slot. Personally, I have seen each of the episodes aired so far and think they are excellent... It may not be exactly as the book, however, there is a reason for it... in a book, we can imagine things and develop our own opinions of the characters looks and such... in a movie this is not so... if they did the movies exactly as the books, for most any series, audiences would most likely find them "boring" or "shallow"... it is very difficult to adapt a novelization into a workable screenplay that is interesting... they have done a wonderful job. Sarah As to date; the series of novels cover the entire period of the Napoleonic Wars, during which our hero rises to high rank and marries twice. It's about 30 years since I read the early ones so I forget the details, but it appears that to avoid having to "age" the dishy Ioan Gruffudd they have embroidered upon Hornblower's adventures as a junior officer in the 1790's, adapting some incidents from later stories. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 10:06:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01374 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19930; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA06478 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA06453 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.snet.net ([204.60.6.10]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id KAA21633 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nancygil (nrwc-sh8-port132.snet.net [204.60.51.132]) by pop.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-pop-1.3/D-1.5.1.2/O-1.5) with SMTP id KAA15628 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990420101439.0079d980@mail.snet.net> X-Sender: philippa.grey@mail.snet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:14:39 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Nancy Gilly / Philippa Grey Subject: H-COST: Re: H. Hornblower on A&E In-Reply-To: <199904191620.KAA20245@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Nancy Gilly / Philippa Grey The movie "The Duchess and the Devil" was set in the mid/late 1790s (1796 I believe was the date given at the beginning). According to the books, Hornblower was confirmed in his lieutenancy in 1797. Philippa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 10:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01466 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:10:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA20413; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA07237 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA07229 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP020.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.28]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16372 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01be8b38$c433a160$1c1bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:19:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! I've tracked down the replica that the professor in Canada's made. It'll be at the Woodstock Museum until next Saturday. Woodstock Museum 466 Dundas St, Woodstock, ON, N4S 1C4 (519) 537-8411 I don't know whether they have a web page, or know if the tapestry is moving on after that, but if you're really interested, it might be worth a call. The thing is *fabulous*. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 10:35:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01714 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:35:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24183; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12266 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA12260 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 93314 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 14:43:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420144319.93313.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:43:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: HB Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:43:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >I gotta admit I did the same as Angela's husband and switched off halfway >through an episode of HB though. I was very disappointed in the adaptation. > >Speaking of adaptations - has anyone seen the latest BBC "Scarlet >Pimpernel"? >The nobles' clothes were _absolutely >gorgeous_. > >There were several ballroom scenes where both >the men's and women's dress was to kill for. All those peacocks make modern >men look sooo boring! Brocade and lace left, right and center... What did >other people think of it? > >Cheers, >Tina > > Indeed! *They seek him here, they seek him there... !!* We saw the Anthony Andrews version & it was wonderful & just awful at the same time. Sometimes the acting can be downright masterful, while the makeup and costuming can be positively painful to endure... my fiance fell asleep while in a roomful of people watching it last fall, waking only long enough to murmur thru squinted lids "This is positively dreadful," ...and yet, the ending and all those disguises were positively superb. Sigh... Susannah _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 10:35:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01718 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:35:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24245; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12299 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12283 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p24.directcon.net [206.170.184.73]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10576 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904201541.HAA10576@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: EXIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Some classmates >want me to do the wedding dress(very easy to research, at least), but >I'm leaning towards a 1880's style dress she wore in Canada, I think >on a 1983 tour. I think the original was a cream silk or satin with >a little pancake-shaped hat she wore in honor of Yukon days or >whatever it was called. I can't remember where I saw the picture but >it stuck in my mind because of the historic style of the dress. I >will have to go to our local main library who has the older issues in >hardcopy of "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature" in order to >find some articles. But does anyone on the list have any hints on >where I might find photographs of this dress? I have a book called "The Royal Style Wars" that shows the dress. She borowed it from the BBC wardrobe to wear to Fort Edmonton. It's a nice costume, but the photo shows one of the basic costume mistakes--modern underpinnings. A corset would have helped. We should be fixing our scanner sometime this week, so let me know if you can't find it and I'll send you a pic. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 10:46:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01838 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:46:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA26667; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA14185 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA14178 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p24.directcon.net [206.170.184.73]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11559 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904201552.HAA11559@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Getting wildly OT, here, but...Did you all know that Gene Roddenberry based the character of Captain Kirk on Hornblower? As for the Scarlett Pimpernel, I don't agree. I turned it off. I thought the acting was dull, and the clothes didn't grab me. In a period of peacock men, I find it hard to forgive sloppy tailoring. Learn to hang a sleeve, people! Of course, as David points out, the producers probably neither knew nor cared to spend the money for a decent tailor. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 11:19:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02214 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:19:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA02426; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA20892 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.hotmail.com [207.82.251.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA20880 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15503 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 15:26:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420152650.15502.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:26:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:26:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >As for the Scarlett Pimpernel, I don't agree. I turned it off. I thought the >acting was dull, and the clothes didn't grab me. In a period of peacock >men, I find it hard to forgive sloppy tailoring. Learn to hang a sleeve, >people! > >Of course, as David points out, the producers probably neither knew nor >cared to spend the money for a decent tailor. > >Margo What? You mean they didn't hang sleeves in the 18th century the way they did in 1970? But, but,,, !!! ;-D One would think that the way they all swagger about with those immensely padded shoulders, you know. Too bad the subtleties of period fit are beyond most of them. And they are subtleties. Like the way the SLEEVE itself allows for movement, and NOT the back of the coat. I am so sick of correcting this on every single pattern I buy that purports to be made from an original. When I gather enough money, I will publish my patterns, so help me, I will... I think what most of us were applauding was the use of color and fabric. Again, I was referring to the Anthony Andrews version, and I do not know if this is also the BBC version. Jump in, anyone. Susannah _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 11:21:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02285 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:21:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA02822; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA21331 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boomer.brightok.net (boomer.brightok.net [206.30.97.13]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21286 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.brightok.net (springer1p60.cld.brightok.net [206.30.113.60]) by boomer.brightok.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10602 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:29:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <371C9E39.E6A243CE@mail.brightok.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:33:13 -0500 From: The Mulders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Brigadoon References: <000a01be8b38$c433a160$1c1bbfa8@dsc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Mulders I've got one for the scottish lovers in the house. My son will be in a high school play this week end. He is so upset because the costume company sent white tights for under the kilts. He is a true son of mine. He would like to know if they wore socks at all or if so what color. They sent victorian costumes for the girls. It is just high school and no one had the time to sew up 31 costumes. Renting you get what you get. He would like vindication anyway. Thanks, Ninya _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 11:28:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02336 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:28:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA04046; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22747 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22715 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-50.agt.net ([161.184.43.60]:1036 "HELO Freya") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <543339-10127>; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:20 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: H-COST: EXIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990420153723Z543339-10127+34@edtnps05.telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:20 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Margo Anderson wrote: > I have a book called "The Royal Style Wars" that shows the dress. She >borrowed it from the BBC wardrobe to wear to Fort Edmonton. Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of personal privilege! The Princess of Wales could not possibly have worn the dress to Fort Edmonton, as no such place currently exists. She probably either wore it to Edmonton, Alberta for Klondike Days, or to Edmonton's Fort Edmonton Park, perhaps to take part in some reenactment on 1886 Street. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 11:40:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02516 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:40:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA05687; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA24884 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA24867 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:11 -0600 (MDT) From: MargEvaPor@aol.com Received: from MargEvaPor@aol.com (8046) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6VPTa20195 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4faf3580.244dfb95@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:47:33 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Hornblower To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MargEvaPor@aol.com At the conclusion of THE DUCHESS & THE DEVIL, reference was made to a recent victory by Nelson--Cape St Vincent, I believe. The date of this battle was 14 February, 1797. Margaret Porter _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 11:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02543 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:45:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA06421; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA25772 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f30.hotmail.com [207.82.250.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA25730 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27949 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 15:53:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420155330.27948.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:53:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Brigadoon Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:53:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Oh, my God. This reminds me of the time my mother, the English teacher, said blithely in response to being asked for her advice on what a student should wear who was portraying Amelia Bloomer in a school play, "Oh! Bloomers, of course! Like Little Bo Peep!" No, I didn't strangle her. I just smiled politely and said, "Let me help you find something suitable." Even if you go to the library and check out the most basic Osprey costume book, you will see Highlanders wearing bias cut hose --OK, argyle socks aren't the best substitute, but they are better than white tights!!! AAGGHH! Susannah > >-Poster: The Mulders > > > >I've got one for the scottish lovers in the house. My son will be in a high >school play this week end. He is so upset because the costume company sent >white tights for under the kilts. He is a true son of mine. He would like to >know if they wore socks at all or if so what color. They sent victorian >costumes for the girls. It is just high school and no one had the time to sew >up 31 costumes. Renting you get what you get. He would like vindication >anyway. >Thanks, >Ninya > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 12:24:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02990 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:24:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA12825; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA02636 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.jps.net (smtp4.jps.net [209.63.224.57]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA02624 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.231] (209-63-113-231.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.231]) by smtp4.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02978 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904210028.RAA02978@smtp4.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, do you have any From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I agree whole heartedly. The illustrations are good but since it is not dated it is absolutely useless for research. Just pretty to look at! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: "J,K,S&A Baird" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, do you have any >Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999, 6:26 AM > > >-Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" > > >> Fashion Design 1850-1895 >> published at $29.95, listed at $ 19.95 >> >I have this book, and I do like it. >It is only illustrations, NO DATES or other text. >If you already recognize the dates of various styles, it's good for ideas. >I browsed through it last night for overskirt variations, and a few days >ago for lace collars. >Illustrations are loosely grouped by subject--bodices, sleeves, handbags, >collars, evening gowns, underwear, shoes, etc. >It's 9"x11", about 1" thick. > >kim > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 12:44:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03209 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:44:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA17200; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA07500 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA07464 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.172 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:51:30 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: H-COST: Elizabethan Gloves Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000501be8b4e$ee2d2ac0$c60bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I recently found a beautiful color picture of a pair of Elizabethan gloves, with a page long explanation of the ceremonial use of gloves as gifts to seal contracts, express fealty, etc. in Treasures from the Embroiderers' Guild Collection, edited by Elizabeth Benn, ISBN 0-7153-9829-6, copyright 1991. It's on page 14, with relevant text on page 12. The hands are kid or doeskin, while the gauntlets are two layers of linen overlaid with embroidered silk and trimmed with silver gilt lace (looks gold in the photo--does it mean silver, gilt with gold?) and spangles. The embroidery is done in colored silk floss, silver gilt thread, silver strip, and something called "metal purl." The cut of the fingers and the way the gores are fit in on the sides of the fingers is ingenious and elegant, exaggerating the length of the fingers substantially as they are cut well back towards the wrist from the first knuckles. The gores extend to a point at the end of the actual fingers, but the glove fingers without gores extend another inch, as if to accommodate the wearer's long fingernails. The text emphasizes that many gloves were made entirely for ceremonial purposes and never worn. These appear to have been lightly worn from the way the fingers are shaped. The three-tabbed gauntlets are decorated with embroidered tulips and butterflies, each motif different. It's a gorgeous book overall, with 54 pages of photographs of British embroideries from Tudor times to present, , 46 pages of Turkish, Persian, and Greek examples which are glorious, and 44 pages of Indian, Pakistani, other Asian and Chinese examples. Well worth requesting from interlibrary loan, as it is chock full of close-up photographs, all in color. Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 14:41:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04550 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:41:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA08715; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA29724 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA29651 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA17689.; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:53:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:48:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:47:56 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: More comments from England Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id OAA04550 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Actually, Sir Walter Ralegh was a Devon man so his accent was West Country, not Midlands. One thing that made me smile in the "Scarlet Pimpernel" series was that everyone wore 1790s fashions except for the Prince of Wales. He had been given a Regency haircut, presumably so the audience would know who he was meant to be! In answer to David Rickman - yes, the first Hornblower film did include the seasickness and the fear of heights (though not the tone-deafness), and I thought he appeared suitably gauche. The character is, after all, supposed to be attractive to women when he is a few years older. I can't remember the "Duchess's" clothes in detail (that episode was shown here a month or two ago), but I bow to Susannah's superior knowledge if she says they were wrong for the 1790s. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:01:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04799 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA13840; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA03631 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA03589 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-214-12.s266.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.12]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06728 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: marking on dark wool Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:15:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have suggestions? Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:28:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05138 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:28:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA19637; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA08570 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f204.hotmail.com [207.82.251.95]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA08542 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29950 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 19:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420193536.29949.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:35:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:35:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Try pricking holes in shape of the design on the pattern paper, and then dusting through the holes with powdered tailor's chalk. This is the period method, and it works well for me. The marks brush off easily as I work. For light colored fabric, I use black carbon paper, and trace the design lightly, then rinse the fabric thoroughly to remove the marks when I am finished. Susannah >From: "Andrea Gideon" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "H-Costume" >Subject: H-COST: marking on dark wool >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:15:00 -0700 > > >-Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > >I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything >to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing >paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have >suggestions? >Andrea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:34:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05234 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:34:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA19558; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA08566 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA08504 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (vcn32.pm3-4.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.240.201]) by sight.vcn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B55DF51B4; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> References: Conversation <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> with last message <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool Date: Tue, 20 Apr 99 13:38:52 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA05234 Status: O -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" My last project involved embroidery on very very dark green (almost black) cotton velveteen, and I had the same problem. I finally suceeded by marking the pattern with yellow tracing paper, then basting along the lines before they could rub off - these stitches can be hidden under your embroidery, or you can clip them as you go along. Liadain ---------- > > -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > > I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything > to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing > paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have > suggestions? > Andrea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:41:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05329 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:41:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA22549; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA10837 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA10826 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 38.29.61.178 (ip178.phoenix8.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.29.61.178]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14357 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371C77BA.3A06@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:48:59 +0000 From: "S.B. McDaniel" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: marking on dark wool References: <199904201936.NAA08627@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "S.B. McDaniel" I use yellow tracing paper, and then go over the markings with a very fine gel roller in a light color. This doesn't tub off, and my embroidery covers the markings. If your embroidery won't cover it, then baste over the tracings, then pull them out when finished. Sandy > > -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > > > > I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anyt= > hing > > to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tra= > cing > > paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone= > have > > suggestions? > > Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:52:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05483 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:52:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25114; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA13260 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.mcia.net [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA13187 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.102]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:05:08 -0400 Message-ID: <371CA4D2.84166EB7@woodenporch.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:02:33 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Scottish Tartan References: <199904201936.NAA08627@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois Could someone please tell me what Scottish tartan the Porter's used. Last year at Convergence '98 there was a Scottish group with a commercial booth. They told me that the Porter's did not have a tartan of their own but used the tartan of Mc???????? Lois -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 15:54:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05500 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:54:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25400; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA13411 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ic.net (ic.net [152.160.8.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA13373 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904202001.OAA13373@indra.com> Received: (qmail 14661 invoked from network); 20 Apr 1999 19:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p40.a2.56k.ic.net) (152.160.22.40) by unknown with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 19:55:03 -0000 From: "Steve & Michelle Plumb" To: "vintage clothing group" , "historic costume group" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:05:02 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: H-COST: Any lecturers in the Metro Detroit area? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Steve & Michelle Plumb" Hello all. I visited the Detroit Historical Museum last week. While strolling through the J.L. Hudson exhibit, I stumbled on quite a find! The Tavy Stone Fashion Library - The Fashion Group Interntional, Detroit Unfortunately, due to threatening weather, I had only a short time to peruse this wealth of information. It is an impressive library, with a second room with what appeared to be magazines, newspaper articles, and heaven knows what else. I will return as soon as I can, and spend some quality time there. Now, as to the subject of this message, the lecturer part. While there, I met a very nice person named Jill, who asked me what my fashion interests were, and would I like to guest lecture at Wayne State University. They are apparently in great need of lecturers on the fashion and costume industry. I thanked her, and told her that I am only an interested rank amateur, and am in no way qualified to lecture. I then thought that maybe some of you were in the Metro Detroit area, and would be interested in giving a lecture. If so, here is the Library's address, etc. Tavy Stone Fashion Library The Fashion Group International Detroit Hours are: Wednesday through Thursday 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Friday 1:00 pm to 4:00 pm Sunday by appointment Arrangements for special groups Library phone: (313) 832-0844 The Detroit Historical Museum 5401 Woodward Ave. Detroit, Michigan 48202 ttfn, Michelle =========================================================== Steve & Michelle Plumb -- splumb@ic.net Plymouth, Michigan USA "Gstaad. Today, a paradise in the Alps. Tomorrow, a wasteland. Compared to Clouseau, Atilla the Hun was a Red Cross Volunteer." -- Herbert Lom, in "Return of the Pink Panther" =========================================================== _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 16:12:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05736 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:12:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA00242; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA17146 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org (suetoo@svpal.svpal.org [204.118.32.56]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA17125 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (suetoo@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA29137 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Toorans To: H-Costume Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool In-Reply-To: <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Toorans On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Andrea Gideon wrote: > > -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > > I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything > to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing > paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have > suggestions? > Andrea > I have done this to try to mark dark, silk velvet for metal thread embroidery. First copy the paper design to more paper that can be trashed. Pin the copy to the fabric with *LOTS* of pins. You don't want it to move. Next, thread a needle with contrasting thread and sew through the paper and the fabric on the design lines. Use small running stitched. When all design lines are "traced" in thread, tear out the paper. After the embroidery is complete, the outline thread may be completely covered, in that case, don't sweat it, otherwise, remove what still shows. Painful, but effective. Sue I am *NOT* a rabid feminist! I had my shots last year. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 16:30:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05938 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:30:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA04573; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA22066 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA22052 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 93596 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 20:38:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420203817.93595.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:38:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: OT-Horatio Hornblower Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:38:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" > >I have not read the books, but I love the movies--whether the costumes >are accurate or not. The important thing for me is that the movie >will lead to read the books. As an avid reader I think that interest >in movies should cause the viewer to read--not necessarily compare. I >am an Arthurian and believe, the so-called Arthurian movies drive me >crazy but I hear so often that someone gets excited about the movies >and then reads the "true" story! > >My $.02 worth, >Kristen Sieber > > I have to agree with Kristen. Happily, in this case, the HH movies did lead me to check out my local library and there I found, to my great astonishment, that all 37 copies of the various HH volumes in the series had been checked out, and that there was a waiting list! And this, in a very rural county with four regional libraries! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry... I can wait, if others are already reading them, in this case I am quite gratified! Also, I checked out the A&E website. Over 3500 good (& bad!) rating comments have already been made on the Hornblower series. If you care to read and/or make a comment, go to www.AandE.com then to the message boards section. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 17:05:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06349 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:05:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA11023; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA28467 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (tor-smtp1.netcom.ca [207.181.101.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA28428 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (trt-on37-17.netcom.ca [209.146.210.145]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19989 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001be8b72$78d4d7e0$02ef92d1@default> From: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" To: Subject: H-COST: Tracing embroidery patterns Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" I know this won't necessarily work on dark fabrics, but I wanted to share this tidbit: >From Historical Needlework by Margaret Swaine, 1970: "A design could be drawn out on thin paper, and pricked through and pounced (powder rubbed through the prick holes) on to the cloth. This "pricking and pouncing" was the traditional method of transferring designs and dated from the Middle Ages." I don't know what she used as her source for that argument, but I like the practicality. Eve Harris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 17:14:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06459 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:14:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA23552; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA11554 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA11538 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990420195116.6593.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.254.19] by send101.yahoomail.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:51:16 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: H-COST: OT-Horatio Hornblower To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" I have not read the books, but I love the movies--whether the costumes are accurate or not. The important thing for me is that the movie will lead to read the books. As an avid reader I think that interest in movies should cause the viewer to read--not necessarily compare. I am an Arthurian and believe, the so-called Arthurian movies drive me crazy but I hear so often that someone gets excited about the movies and then reads the "true" story! My $.02 worth, Kristen Sieber _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 17:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06490 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:19:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA15779; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA05217 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA05207 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06310 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: <028401be8b62$eb0546c0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Try doing a hand baste to create the pattern... very loosely... then embroider it and pull out the basted threads when you are done.' Sarah > >-Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > >I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything >to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing >paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have >suggestions? >Andrea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 17:27:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06598 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:27:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA24786; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA10579 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA10569 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.96.178.8] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 10Ze0r-00004g-00; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:08:46 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990420170705.006f42b8@mail.widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@mail.widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:07:05 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 06:36 AM 4/20/99 PDT, you wrote: >I never blamed anyone but the producers of the series, and A&E, and >never mentioned this blame in my original post. I know from the >experience of friends who have worked as makeup artists & extras on >sets how little regard Hollywierd has for accuracy in costume. This >was the point I was getting to... Shouldn't we all who are concerned >about things like this, and are sick & tired of trying to explain to >visitors to the living history sites at which we work, why we don't >look & act & talk like the idiotic wretches they see on TV/in movies, >write en masse to A&E and TELL them it DOES matter? And btw, until >the directors get it and I see a major change in the accuracy and >direction of mundane theatrical costuming, I am going to KEEP saying >a very loud and emphatic *NO* when theatre & TV people hear about me >& wonder if I will do any work for them. I don't need the heartache >& I am really *much* too much of an egotistical prima donna about my >work! Or perhaps my ego isn't so large that I need to see my name in >a list of film credits to satisfy my need for recognition. I, for >one, could not hold my head up in public, and my pocketbook, thank >God, does not suffer for this. > >Oh, but belittle not their choice of the actor who portrays >Hornblower. It is lovely that they finally found someone with a chin >to play a hero! And he does seem to me to be playing a fallible >hero, which only increases his likeability. Now, if they can only >find someone with chest hair... >we might actually believe there are real men out there who act! > >Susannah > I do not see how A&E can be blamed at all. This is NOT an A&E production or for that matter even an American production. It was produced by Meridian in Britain and aired on ITV last November. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 17:27:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06604 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:27:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA21331; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA11297 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA11264 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.96.178.8] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 10Ze3t-0000Bt-00; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:11:53 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990420171012.006f0f48@mail.widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@mail.widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:10:12 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 08:26 AM 4/20/99 PDT, you wrote: >>Margo > >What? You mean they didn't hang sleeves in the 18th century the way >they did in 1970? But, but,,, !!! ;-D One would think that the way >they all swagger about with those immensely padded shoulders, you >know. Too bad the subtleties of period fit are beyond most of them. >And they are subtleties. Like the way the SLEEVE itself allows for >movement, and NOT the back of the coat. I am so sick of correcting >this on every single pattern I buy that purports to be made from an >original. When I gather enough money, I will publish my patterns, so >help me, I will... > >I think what most of us were applauding was the use of color and >fabric. Again, I was referring to the Anthony Andrews version, and I >do not know if this is also the BBC version. Jump in, anyone. > >Susannah > >_______________________________________________________________ > The Anthony andrews version was far better than the newer version, aired in in the US on A&E not very long ago. I do not know it's history however. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 18:21:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07224 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:21:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA23108; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA08340 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA08278 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:06:44 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14380) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SEPa24487 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:04:14 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I'll chime in with my two cents' worth, since no one has suggested it. You can also use a tear-away stabilizer. Sulky makes several products. They keep coming out with new ones. I haven't investigated lately. Be sure you read the package directions. They are very good. You copy your design onto the stablizer, attach it to your fabric (some are iron-on, if your fabric can stand it, some not), embroider through it, and tear it away after. It tears away very well. (One is also water soluble, and dissolves after--again, if your fabric and threads can take water. Won't work for velvet, of course.) If you are doing dense satin stitch, some of the stablizer will remain underneath, and this may affect the hand a little. The various stablizers are also good for embroidering on pile fabrics--I've used them for monograming towels, for instance. Some purists may shudder at using new-fangled products like these, but I don't think they are going to harm the finished look. Ann Wass annbwass@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 18:22:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07233 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:22:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA23200; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA06000 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA05979 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:36 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14380) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6RTHa19332 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:51:26 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I haven't been watching the Hornblower series because I don't have cable. I read the books years ago, and they do go all the way up through Waterloo, but evidently this take is only the early years. I went up to Baltimore for the big A & E promotion for the series. They had a couple of replica ships. I went dressed in my 1815 garb, and was told by one of the sailors that their ship was a copy of a 300 year old vessel. I happened to meet someone I knew who was also confused by having a ship of that era promoting the Hornblower series. So, to sum up, this promotion did not leave me with high expectations of the whole project. Ann Wass annbwass@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 18:22:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07237 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:22:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA23297; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA00209 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA00187 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040s38M.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA10222 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990420212552.0068f834@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:25:52 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: OT-Movies to Book Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" ....the HH movies >did lead me to check out my local library and there I found, to my >great astonishment, that all 37 copies of the various HH volumes in >the series had been checked out... ----------------------------------- Exactly! I was intimidated by the thought of reading Woolf. But I HAD to see "Orlando" for the costumes. I was so taken by the premise that I immediately read the book. I frequently move from film-to-book. Publishers expect it. Look at "Publishers Weekly" for re-issue of classics depicting a scene from a film or tv production on the cover and lurid hype. Jane Austen--as seen on tv! Henry James--as you've never seen him! Hawthorne--a tale of lust, betrayal and obsession! What the heck. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 18:59:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07604 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:59:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA27821; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA18621 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA18607 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem34.fred.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.162] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10ZjXl-0002en-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:03:06 +0100 Message-ID: <013c01be8b81$e2374e70$09065cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:01:51 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" > > -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > > I haven't been watching the Hornblower series because I don't have cable. I > read the books years ago, and they do go all the way up through Waterloo, but > evidently this take is only the early years. > I went up to Baltimore for the big A & E promotion for the series. They had > a couple of replica ships. I went dressed in my 1815 garb, and was told by > one of the sailors that their ship was a copy of a 300 year old vessel. I > happened to meet someone I knew who was also confused by having a ship of > that era promoting the Hornblower series. > So, to sum up, this promotion did not leave me with high expectations of the > whole project. > Ann Wass I had a conversation with my bootmaker who worked as an extra on the filming. The original ships used would not have made it across the Atlantic if anyone could afford it. Most of the action taking place on board ship was actually filmed on a huge quarter section , Aft and a bit of side , mounted on a barge ; although they also had a part of the prow similarly set up. Or so I remember. The ships only being used for distance shots. The main reasons for using these mockup is to allow for all of the lighting cameras and gneral requirements of modern filming, which would be impossible on a real ship. L.D.Mundy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 19:06:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07704 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:06:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA29390; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA20358 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f262.hotmail.com [207.82.251.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA20349 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21662 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 23:14:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420231436.21661.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:14:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Poor Mr. Forester Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:14:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >> >> -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com >> >> I haven't been watching the Hornblower series because I don't have cable. >I >> read the books years ago, and they do go all the way up through Waterloo, >but >> evidently this take is only the early years. >> I went up to Baltimore for the big A & E promotion for the series. They >had >> a couple of replica ships. I went dressed in my 1815 garb, and was told >by >> one of the sailors that their ship was a copy of a 300 year old vessel. I >> happened to meet someone I knew who was also confused by having a ship of >> that era promoting the Hornblower series. >> So, to sum up, this promotion did not leave me with high expectations of >the >> whole project. >> Ann Wass > >I had a conversation with my bootmaker who worked as an extra on the >filming. The original ships used would not have made it across the Atlantic >if anyone could afford it. Most of the action taking place on board ship >was actually filmed on a huge quarter section , Aft and a bit of side , >mounted on a barge ; although they also had a part of the prow similarly set >up. Or so I remember. The ships only being used for distance shots. The main >reasons for using these mockup is to allow for all of the lighting cameras >and gneral requirements of modern filming, which would be impossible on a >real ship. > >L.D.Mundy > > Actually, there is an interview on the AandE.com website, with the makers of this ship. I found it very interesting. Look for the link on the "behind the scenes" section of the H&H section, which is hard to miss since it is the big promotion this week. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 20:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08482 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:17:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA08989; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA29748 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA29735 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p14.directcon.net [209.77.71.113]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03252 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:22:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:22:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904210122.RAA03252@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: EXIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 09:37 AM 4/20/99 -0600, you wrote: > >-Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) > >Margo Anderson wrote: >> I have a book called "The Royal Style Wars" that shows the dress. She >>borrowed it from the BBC wardrobe to wear to Fort Edmonton. > >Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of personal privilege! The Princess of Wales >could not possibly have worn the dress to Fort Edmonton, as no such place >currently exists. Having been to Canada for a total of eight hours in my life, I don't claim to know this... I'll just quote the book: "Pale pink period costume borrowed from the BBC'S wardrobe for the Princess of Wales for her trip to the historical monument of Fort Edmonton, where time has stood still". Maybe it only comes out of the mists for one day every hundred years? No...wait a minute....I'm getting my threads mixed up again! MARGO _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 21:00:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09018 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:00:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA14110; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA04874 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from onramp.i2k.com (root@onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA04867 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raille (o7du17.i2k.com [198.110.185.17]) by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12730 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990420211123.007abb10@onramp.i2k.com> X-Sender: alwen@onramp.i2k.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:11:23 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Carpenter Subject: H-COST: re: Upcoming papers for Kalamazoo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Carpenter Robin Netherton wrote: >The International Congress on Medieval Studies, run by the Medieval >Institute at Western Michigan University, includes three costume-related >sessions this year. (That I know of -- I haven't looked through the entire >list of 532 sessions yet, and each session has three to four papers.) The >conference will be May 6-9 at the usual venue in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Question: I've heard that the Congress sometimes includes a fantastic book sale. Is this true? Can non-participators sneak into the vendor room? I could drop $95 on books so easily. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 20 22:26:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09958 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:26:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA24955; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA15117 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA15089 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:35:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14442) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6CLHa13355 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2bb6b488.244e92d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:32:57 EDT Subject: H-COST: almost OT 19th-cent. Q To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Hello, all! I am writing with one on-topic and one related off-topic question about weddings in the mid-19th century (pre ACW). What would working-class people wear to their weddings? Just their Sunday best, or special clothing? Also, WHEN would they get married? I understand (or I THINK I understand) that, for instance, urban workers generally worked long days, six days a week. So would they get married on Sunday? Nobody does that today. Would they get married in a church, or at a JP's office? Thanks in advance -- Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 00:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11090 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA08563; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA26056 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA26035 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a2a01770.direct.bconnected.net ([209.53.2.42] helo=vamp) by edam.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10ZoK9-0006lc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01be8bae$3f4af540$0300a8c0@direct.ca> From: "Brandy Dickson" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry / SCA group Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" I live just a small ferry-boat ride away from Lion's Gate, and I can't speak for them, but I know that Sea Girt, Kingdom of An Tir (Victoria, B.C. Canada), had worked on a tapestry not unlike that of the Bayeaux Tapestry...only they made a MANY panelled tapestry of the history of THIER shire (now Barony)... I'm not sure if that's perhaps what you were thinking of..... Brandy Dickson > One group a friend believes worked on it was "Lion's Gate, AnTir". That > sounds right to me. Carol / Gra/inne, who doesn't know what they did with > it afterward _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 00:42:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11943 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:42:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA14050; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA00631 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA00616 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-90.radiks.net [206.29.243.92]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21032 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990420234958.00a5b510@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:49:58 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: marking on dark wool In-Reply-To: <199904210109.TAA04885@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger > -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > > I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything > to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern tracing > paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. Anyone have > suggestions? > There is a pencil made for marking dark colored fabric - designed for quilters primarily. It has a silver lead and is supposed to erase easily with a good art eraser. I have one but haven't tried it yet. I would guess it would work best if the wool was not too loosely woven or fuzzy. They're pretty cheap, so if it didn't work, you're not out much. Also I would test on a scrap first, and mark lightly to start. Just my tuppence worth. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 01:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12765 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:34:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA18458; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA05112 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA05104 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.185] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10ZpmN-0007gI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:42:35 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:43:43 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry / SCA group In-Reply-To: <004b01be8bae$3f4af540$0300a8c0@direct.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:20 PM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Brandy Dickson" > >I live just a small ferry-boat ride away from Lion's Gate, and I can't speak >for them, but I know that Sea Girt, Kingdom of An Tir (Victoria, B.C. >Canada), had worked on a tapestry not unlike that of the Bayeaux >Tapestry...only they made a MANY panelled tapestry of the history of THIER >shire (now Barony)... I'm not sure if that's perhaps what you were thinking >of..... > >Brandy Dickson It may well be that you have the right of it. Thank you for the correction. It had been a long while since that was discussed on the SCA Digest. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 01:57:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13003 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:57:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA20230; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA07002 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m16.boston.juno.com (m16.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.192]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA06993; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D8P5N2HV; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:06:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: marking on dark wool Message-ID: <19990420.214917.4791.1.cley@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19990420234958.00a5b510@radiks.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9 From: cynthia j ley Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:06:47 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cynthia j ley Try the silver quilters' pencil. I use mine on darned near everything--keep it sharp and it will serve you well. Most fabric shops around here sell them in the Notions department. Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 04:49:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16686 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:49:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA06598; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA17475 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA17462 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) id <01JAAHJ4TETC005D8H@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:00:14 BST Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) with ESMTP id <01JAAHJ3JBAW006GPV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:00:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:57:59 +0000 (GMT0BST) Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.43); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:57:41 +0000 (GMT0BST) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:57:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Teddy Subject: H-COST: Hornblower To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 (NDS) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Teddy > At the conclusion of THE DUCHESS & THE DEVIL, reference was made > to a recent I've not been watching this series (no interest in it other than the costumes and I don't watch *anything* just for the costumes), but I did catch this episode and was startled to see a friend and fellow costumer in it. In the scene where Hornblower was introduced to the "Duchess" there are a few people chatting in the background. One lady then dashes across the room and offers her arm to a startled looking Hornblower to escort her in to the dining room. It was unmistakably Frances Tucker who's quite an active costumer and trader in the UK re-enactment scene. Nxt time I see her, I shall take her to task for not letting me know she was making an appearance and ask if she was wearing one of her own costumes. Teddy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 08:24:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19257 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA17049; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA04970 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA04964 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem78.fred.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.206] helo=herimats) by svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10ZvkS-0001QQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:05:00 +0100 Message-ID: <002601be8bef$1e67db40$ce075cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Hornblower Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:03:59 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" Poster. L.D.Mundy Teddy said > It was unmistakably Frances Tucker who's quite an active costumer and > trader in the UK re-enactment scene. > Perhaps this is an oppurtunity to mention Frances' excellent sourcing guide The Garter Directory; which I for one found to be most useful (altho Uk based) Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 08:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19260 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:24:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA16963; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA04921 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA04910 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20318 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re: Upcoming papers for Kalamazoo In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990420211123.007abb10@onramp.i2k.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Lynn Carpenter wrote: > >The International Congress on Medieval Studies, run by the Medieval > >Institute at Western Michigan University, includes three costume-related > >sessions this year. (That I know of -- I haven't looked through the entire > >list of 532 sessions yet, and each session has three to four papers.) The > >conference will be May 6-9 at the usual venue in Kalamazoo, Michigan. > > Question: I've heard that the Congress sometimes includes a fantastic book > sale. Is this true? Can non-participators sneak into the vendor room? I > could drop $95 on books so easily. The program this year lists about 70 vendors, representing university presses and scholarly publishers from around the world, as well as used book dealers, plus vendors of art objects, manuscript pages (real ones), t-shirts, and knickknacks. They used to be spread out among 6 or 8 rooms (I remember when they could all fit into one or two) until a year or two ago, when the conference moved them into one of the dorm cafeterias. In other words, yes, it's big. I have been known to drop $95 on a *single* book if it's a great one, and several hundred dollars a year total -- much of it on Sunday, when many of the vendors offer half-price on their remaining display copies. Most publishers of new books give conference participants 20 percent off list price. With new books, generally they bring a limited supply of display copies, and once those are spoken for you order the book and have it shipped to you. I suspect you have to have a conference badge to shop. You might want to email the Congress to be sure -- mdvl_congres@wmich.edu. But for future reference, if you get on the conference mailing list, you'll get many of these publishers' catalogs (complete with 20 percent discount order forms) in the weeks before the Congress. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 08:52:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19668 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:52:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA21794; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA09989 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA09969 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.182] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10Zwcd-0004fj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:00:59 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@mail.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:02:05 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Fwd: Re: Socks with kilts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I wrote to my friend, who spent some time in the 48th Highlanders of Canada to ask him about the young gentleman's kilt/socks question. Here is his answer: >Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: Some costume rental place sent white tights for high school aged >> young men to wear under their kilts. > >BLEARGH! > >> One wishes to know what color[s]/style[s] of socks would really be worn. > >The hose you wear with a kilt can be of various sorts and colours (generally to >match the doublet or tunic). My own regiment wore green lovat hose with >service dress and black-and-red diced hose with more formal orders of dress. >Civilian kilt-wearers can obviously wear what they like. I sometimes wear >cross-country ski stockings with my civilian kilt; but I also have some >purpose-made kilt hose. > >The main thing is that they come up over the knee, are gartered below the knee, >then cuffed down so that the hose come just below the knee, with a thick cuff >and the flashes of the garters showing. (Most garters are now elastic with a >worsted flash). The sgian dubh is tucked in the right stocking just in front >of the round of the calf muscle. > >The kilt should come to the centre of the kneecap. The hose come to the bottom >of the kneecap or just a bit lower. > >>Best, Aryk > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 09:30:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20137 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:30:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA26081; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA13895 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m16.boston.juno.com (m16.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.192]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA13881 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D8QXJYBW; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:38:56 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Socks with kilts Message-ID: <19990421.052129.4783.0.cley@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,10-14 From: cynthia j ley Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:38:56 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cynthia j ley Long woolen socks also work. These should ideally be custom-fitted to the foot and leg. The sock should come up over the knee in length. Flashes (garters, often with a bit of decorative ribbon) would then be put on, holding the sock up just under the knee. The sock would then be folded down, leaving the flashes showing. Depends on the period. If you're in a bind, long ladies' socks will do in a pinch, and flashes can be quickly and cheaply made using a bit of elastic for the garter part, and attaching a bit of wide ribbon at the top. Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 10:01:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20645 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:01:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA00694; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA17909 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA17893 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:09:56 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (526) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6JYHa18508 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:09:11 EDT Subject: H-COST: Polka Dots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com About polka dots...... Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka does...no? Why do I ask? I have been given some wonderful light as air silk chiffon that is a Champaign beige with white polka dots. The dots are about 1/4" to 3/8" in diam. and pretty close together. Because of the transparency of the fabric, the pattern is very subtle. It looks particularly good over the Robin's egg blue/green silk I also have but how early a garment can I get away with? 1800s? 1850s? 1890s? 1950s[!]? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 10:59:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21416 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:59:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA09337; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA27612 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:07:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA27582; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] (exim) by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 10Zyan-0007DM-00; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:07:13 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 10Zyaj-00010P-00; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:07:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: vintage costume , historic costume Subject: H-COST: vintage ball Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Katy Bishop The Commonwealth Vintage Dancers, Medford, MA are pleased to announce an upcoming Ragtime Ball. Please address all enquiries to vintage@shore.net (Katy Bishop). Grand Ball to Celebrate the Maiden Voyage of the latest addition to the White Star Fleet TITANIC Saturday May 8, 1999, 7:30-11pm Sponsored by the Commonwealth Vintage Dancers Reserve your berth today! This year we are going to make it!!! Live Orchestra! Featuring: The New River Dance Orchestra Free Ragtime Dance Workshop 6:30-7:30pm Ball Rates: $20 per person, $17.50 if pre-paid by May 1st To secure your tickets or for further information call (617) 666-1596 To book passage send a check payable to CVD to: P. O. Box 9, Nahant, MA 01908 Also join us for a Ragtime Tea Dance Sunday May 9th, also at the Unitarian Society. Contact Michael Bergman, (617) 964-7684, eclectic@mit.edu for more information. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 11:04:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21511 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:04:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA10286; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA28556 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [195.63.104.61]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA28494 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22374 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 1999 15:11:54 -0000 Received: from host.77.23.ixos.de (HELO jacomo) (149.235.77.23) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 15:11:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19990421171123.00a5b020@pop.gmx.de> X-Sender: marquise_de_pompadour@gmx.net@pop.gmx.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:13:11 +0200 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pompadour Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_29216821==_.ALT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pompadour --=====================_29216821==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:09 21.04.99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >About polka dots...... >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka >does...no? a 1929 source of mine says they were "becoming almost as standard as floral patterns". of earlier times... i can't tell by heart. i'm pretty certain they were only used for home, children and underwear even in 1929. salut, pompadour --=====================_29216821==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:09 21.04.99 -0400, you wrote:
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>-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com
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>About polka dots......
>Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka
>does...no?

a 1929 source of mine says they were "becoming almost as standard as floral patterns".
of earlier times... i can't tell by heart. i'm pretty certain they were only used for home, children and underwear even in 1929.

salut,
pompadour
 --=====================_29216821==_.ALT-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 12:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22435 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:17:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA22983; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA13951 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA13933 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kdp.tiac.net (kdp.tiac.net [206.119.75.41]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with SMTP id MAA06376 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990420125225.2aff1ed2@tiac.net> X-Sender: kdp@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:52:25 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kristin Page Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool In-Reply-To: <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kristin Page >I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find anything >to mark my pattern with. ... Anyone have suggestions? > I use soap scraps or baste an outline in in light-colored thread. Kristin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 12:35:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22680 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:35:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27125; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA17179 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x14.boston.juno.com (x14.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.27]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA17121 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from annetteallen@juno.com) by x14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D8Q93R8V; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:42:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:41:02 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool Message-ID: <19990421.094945.-795693.1.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-27,29 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Annette M Allen Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Annette M Allen If you embroider thickly and don't care about it washing out, how about light (or appropriately) colored fine line fabric paint? -Annette On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:15:00 -0700 "Andrea Gideon" writes: > >-Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > >I'd like to embrioder on some very dark green wool, but can't find >anything >to mark my pattern with. I've tried white chark and yellow pattern >tracing >paper, but the marks aren't very clear and rub off very easily. >Anyone have >suggestions? >Andrea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > AnnetteAllen@juno.com For any attached files use: aallen@pacbell.net See my homepage at: Reach or page me at ICQ: Send E-Mail directly to my computer screen using: 14988389@pager.mirabilis.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 12:36:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22698 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:36:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27465; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA17563 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from naos.cc.umanitoba.ca (naos.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.122]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA17523 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from halket (halketl.hr.umanitoba.ca [140.193.8.105]) by naos.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA20945 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904211645.LAA20945@naos.cc.umanitoba.ca> From: "Linda Lassman" Organization: University of Manitoba To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:49:00 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: marking on dark wool Priority: normal References: <002d01be8b7b$3caa8900$0cd67ad1@pavilion> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Linda Lassman" Sue Toorans posted: > > I have done this to try to mark dark, silk velvet for metal > thread embroidery. First copy the paper design to more paper that can be > trashed. Pin the copy to the fabric with *LOTS* of pins. You don't want > it to move. Next, thread a needle with contrasting thread and sew through > the paper and the fabric on the design lines. Use small running > stitched. When all design lines are "traced" in thread, tear out the > paper. After the embroidery is complete, the outline thread may be > completely covered, in that case, don't sweat it, otherwise, remove what > still shows. Something I was taught--which is particularly effective on light coloured fabric, but could also work for dark fabric--is only to tear the tissue or tracing from each area actually being worked on. This keeps the rest of the fabric clean, which is particularly important for projects that you carry around with you (or which take a long time to complete....). Another thing I've seen recently are soapstone markers; they look like one of the Staedler white plastic erasers that you use in a holder, and they come with a metal holder. I've seen them in craft stores for use on fabric, but I've seen exactly the same thing (same marker and holder; different package) for a whole lot cheaper in Home Depot (which is a hardware store chain from the US)! - Linda Lassman Winnipeg, Manitoba _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 14:01:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23865 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:01:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA12738; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA03874 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA03636 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 55863 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 1999 17:43:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990421174312.55862.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:42:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:42:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Polka dotted fabrics did exist as far back as 1800 or possibly earlier. They were known as "spots," and I have seen them in fashion plates from the early 1800s. I will have to go back & check as to specifically what year I saw them, but I do remember a sort of filmy overdress such as you wish to make that dated sometime c. 1800 - 1825. Do you have Ackerman's? I may have seen it in there, or it may be one of my own original possessions; I have about 12 original plates that date from this period. However, any allover design was spaced rather far apart during this time, and the smaller the spot, the earlier it can be used, perhaps as far back as 1795. I don't know if they were used when the filmy white gowns first began to be seen in the late 1780s. For these gowns, I find that printed designs are spaced at least 1" apart, often 1 1/2" apart. Is the spot printed or woven in? Either would be useful, just do some more research to find the context in which it would be most appropriate. Some fabrics are more suited for "morning," or undress, and some are suitable for "day," and others for "evening" attire. I will send you what I can on the subject. Wonderful find, anyway! Susannah >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Polka Dots >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:09:11 EDT > > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >About polka dots...... >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka >does...no? >Why do I ask? I have been given some wonderful light as air silk chiffon that >is a Champaign beige with white polka dots. The dots are about 1/4" to 3/8" >in diam. and pretty close together. Because of the transparency of the >fabric, the pattern is very subtle. It looks particularly good over the >Robin's egg blue/green silk I also have but how early a garment can I get >away with? 1800s? 1850s? 1890s? 1950s[!]? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 14:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24237 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA17635; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA26273 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26263 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:39:14 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (14409) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6RGJa06717 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36b6708b.244f7526@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:38:30 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com Ladies and gents of the list- I have seen several photos during the ACW era of polka-dot dresses- at least one in Who Wore What, and I know I have others...somewhere. If you'd like more documentation, let me know. I did check on this, since I found some BEAUTIFUL dotted swiss I wanted to make into a sheer dress...until I realized it was $40/yard. Oh well. -Alison (who is just trying to pay for food at this weekend's reenactment) Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com Canton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 14:56:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24526 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:56:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA11483; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA00383 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA00361 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19267 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14520 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:18:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990421171123.00a5b020@pop.gmx.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed > > > >About polka dots...... > >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka > >does...no? Although I haven't seen it myself, someone I know informed me about an astonishing mantle from the 14th century that was a bright pink, with gold polka-dots on it. Sorry I don't have more info. Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 17:36:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26362 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:36:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA20934; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA03535 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com (dub-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA03518 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id RAA23770; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:41:30 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Tartan Fabric To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Cc: LIST SCA arts Message-ID: <199904211742_MC2-72E8-7242@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id RAA26362 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson I've been offered a load of pure wool, suit weight (heavy) Tartan fabric in various Tartans, the down side is I'm in the UK, the up is it is only 7.50 per metre. Made in Scotland. About 20m each tartan Any would be Scots out there who want some I'm willing to ship to you.... wherever Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 17:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26366 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:36:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA20946; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA03534 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-11.compuserve.com (arl-img-11.compuserve.com [149.174.217.141]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA03506 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id RAA29640 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:41:32 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Kilt Hose To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199904211742_MC2-72E8-7243@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id RAA26366 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson Designs for knitting kilt hose & knickerbocker stockings by Veronica Gainford is the book you must get. Loads of traditional patterns for the real thing Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 19:45:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27826 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:45:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA14128; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA24272 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA24265 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-86-47.s47.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.47]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21137 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005001be8c51$8e00a880$2f56accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:49:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I have seen a dress as early as the 1820-30s in polka dots. This was at a very well respected dealer's shop. This was a couple of years ago. The date was her claim. One of the articles on my 1890s Ladies Home Journal website mentions fabric with printed dots. At the moment, I cannot recall which article, but try the 1895 issue. Not a very good day for my memory. Its not a good teacher day...Penny >About polka dots...... >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual Polka >does...no? >Why do I ask? I have been given some wonderful light as air silk chiffon that >is a Champaign beige with white polka dots. The dots are about 1/4" to 3/8" >in diam. and pretty close together. Because of the transparency of the >fabric, the pattern is very subtle. It looks particularly good over the >Robin's egg blue/green silk I also have but how early a garment can I get >away with? 1800s? 1850s? 1890s? 1950s[!]? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 19:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27953 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:59:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA16769; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA27135 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phantom.golden.net (phantom.golden.net [199.166.210.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA27118 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.183.131.142] (AS52-18-142.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.131.142]) by phantom.golden.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03807 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: lgsteph@pop.golden.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904210109.TAA04885@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Gary Stephens Subject: H-COST: Re: Tracing embroidery patterns Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gary Stephens Eve wrote: >"A design could be drawn out on thin paper, and pricked through and >pounced (powder rubbed through the prick holes) on to the cloth. This >"pricking and pouncing" was the traditional method of transferring >designs and dated from the Middle Ages." The originator of this message neglected to append the charcoal pounce marks were then set in place by using India ink and a fine brush to connect the dots, if you will. When elaborate shading, as in or nue, was required, an actual ink wash was done to create the half-tones required for the embroider. I have done this myself with great effect. >I don't know what she used as her source for that argument, but I like >the practicality. There are many modern scientific references to this having been done, and actual source documentation from Charles Germain St. Aubin's 1700s treatise on embroidery. It can be a very effective method of transfer. Oh, BTW, a lead oxide (I believe that's correct) was used as a white for this same sort of pouncing on dark cloth. Personally, I'd forgo this one attempt at historical re-creation. I rather like remaining non-toxified. :) Lorina -------------------------------------- Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, period furniture & fine hand-sewn garments ~ e-mail: lgsteph@golden.net ~ website: http://www.historicmerchants.com/fiverivers _Touring the Giant's Rib_ ~ http://web.idirect.com/~canuck/stephens/stephen.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 21 22:13:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29496 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:13:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA04823; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA13311 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA13303 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-514.agt.net ([161.184.45.6]:1027 "HELO Freya") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <544481-19187>; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:16:09 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: OT: Ft. Edmonton (was: EXHIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES) X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990422021616Z544481-19187+43@edtnps05.telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:16:09 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Margo Anderson wrote: >I'll just quote the book: "Pale pink period costume >borrowed from the BBC'S wardrobe for the Princess of Wales for her trip to >the historical monument of Fort Edmonton, where time has stood still". And we wonder why people get historical facts wrong, when so many writers can't accurately report the recent past!? Obviously Princess Charles went to Fort Edmonton PARK, which is _not_ an historical monument, but a living history village in the city of Edmonton. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 00:44:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31605 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:44:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA22043; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA29621 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA29611 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:53:02 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com (14407) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6VBAa27453 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <555feb26.245004fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:52:12 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: polka dots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Just doing a quick check of a few books: In "Textile Designs--Two Hundred Years of European and American Pattersn for Printed Fabrics...", by Susan Meller and Joost Elffers, there are 29 examples of "polka dots" beginning, from the first quarter 19th c to 1930s. Also echoing the reference to earlier "spotted"fabrics, in that wonderful book, "A Lady of Fashion--Barbara Johnson's Album of Styles and Fabrics" (a swatch book of her personal garments made between 1746 and 1822), a swatch for1762 is a "blue and white spotted lutestring (silk). For mid-19thc, I have numerous CDV photographs in my collection of women and girls in "polka dot" patterned gowns. Hope that helps Charlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 01:24:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32249 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:24:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA27012; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA03334 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA03319 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-62-197.s197.tnt2.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.62.197]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id BAA06647 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007901be8c81$cd49fac0$c53eaccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Well, it drove me crazy until I found the article in the 1893 Ladies Home Journal... so here the webpage referring to the "dots" on fabric, http://www.costumegallery.com/LHJ/Sept_1893/Color/silk_fabrics.htm It is actually referred to as dots at this point. This reference is near the bottom of the section. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 08:05:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05765 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:05:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA21414; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA04690 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA04677 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem86.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.214] helo=herimats) by svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10aIMa-0003tU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:13:52 +0100 Message-ID: <003901be8cb9$86245900$6a065cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <19990422021616Z544481-19187+43@edtnps05.telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Ft. Edmonton (was: EXHIBIT OF PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:12:26 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" Poster L D Mundy > Margo Anderson < wrote: > >I'll just quote the book: "Pale pink period costume > >borrowed from the BBC'S wardrobe for the Princess of Wales for her trip to > >the historical monument of Fort Edmonton, where time has stood still". >Angela Gottfred wrote And we wonder why people get historical facts wrong, when so many writers > can't accurately report the recent past!? Obviously Princess Charles went to > Fort Edmonton PARK, which is _not_ an historical monument, but a living > history village in the city of Edmonton. Was this the famous Princess David trip? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 08:43:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06264 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:43:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA23700; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA07958 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.hotmail.com [207.82.251.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id GAA07949 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 82713 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 1999 12:50:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990422125039.82712.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:50:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:50:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" In Ackermans (Blum, ed.), "1820...a round dress of white crape, spotted with white satin." (p. 25). "1826... Ball dress...with... blond spotted scarf..." (p. 66). In the famous 1810 Gilray print of the lady dressing, the lady is drawn wearing a spotted gown. However, in other prints, (Arnold, Cunnington, Blum) wherein it appears that the fabric of a gown or trimming is spotted, the period description uses things like, "figured muslin," or "hailstone," instead of the word "spot," to describe these things that look like dots, and sometimes in these cases there is a close-up that shows the spots to be shaped more like lozenges, leaves, or other geometric shapes. Hope this helps. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 09:34:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06838 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:34:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA00469; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA14799 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA14782 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16962 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 22 Apr 99 9:42:06 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Apr 99 9:20:26 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Wedding Costume X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Gail wrote, concerning early-19th century clothing, >What would working-class people wear to their weddings? Just their Sunday >best, or special clothing? Also, WHEN would they get married? I understand >(or I THINK I understand) that, for instance, urban workers generally worked >long days, six days a week. So would they get married on Sunday? Nobody does >that today. Would they get married in a church, or at a JP's office? Generally speaking, you are right that people got married in their Sunday best. They couldn't afford dresses and suits that they wore once and put away forever. Often, though, it is my understanding that women might make a dress especially for their wedding with the plan that they would wear it for best dress after that - often for years. Most weddings would take place in a church, of course, but there were civil weddings. There is a wonderful painting in the Walter Art Gallery in Baltimore, by the American genre artist Richard Caton Woodville, Sr. It is called, I believe, "The Sailor's Wedding" and it shows a big, strapping young sailor in white frock and blue roundabout standing with his bride in the justice of the peace office in a port town. They are in a small, shabby room, with desks and ledgers and a few government clerks. A justice of the peace office would not be open on a Sunday. Also, even today it is not common for those who are married in church to have the service performed on a Sunday. I believe it was the same then. I suggest that you look at period genre paintings of weddings to get details of dress, etc. It was a popular theme for paintings, prints, etc., and the subjects were usually poor or middle class people's weddings, not upper class, so you should certainly find what you are looking for. Good luck! David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 10:24:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07413 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:24:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA06285; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA22511 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA22502 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:33:26 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com (14387) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6XGEa02599 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:31:59 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tartan Fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com I'm very interested! Which tartans are available?That's 20 meter lengths---at 7.50 ---about $150. How much do you suppose for shipping? And how would you want your funds sent? Thanks-- Albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 14:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10443 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:36:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA14605; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA14580 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA14570 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip220-18.cc.interlog.com [207.34.220.18]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07427 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990422015414.00963280@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:54:14 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: H-COST: Nelson bustle? In-Reply-To: References: <199904210109.TAA04885@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, I have a question regarding the "Nelson bustle." I've been reading a novel recently which is set in London in 1820 and referrs to one of the characters wearing a Nelson bustle. This doesn't seem right to me (not my period). Can anyone tell me whether or not such a thing existed as the "Nelson bustle" and if so, when would it have been worn? 1890's? Just wondering, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 14:36:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10449 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:36:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA14678; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA14606 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA14563 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip220-18.cc.interlog.com [207.34.220.18]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07387 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990422012449.0096e3a0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:24:49 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >About polka dots...... >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? Surely before the actual >Polka does...no?...It looks particularly good over the Robin's egg >blue/green >silk I also have but how early a garment can I get away >with? 1800s? 1850s? 1890s? 1950s[!]? I've seen stuff from the 16th century which looks an awful lot like polka dots. I couldn't tell you *where* I saw it, it was just one of those things where I said "oh, cool!" and kept on going. Sounds lovely, have fun. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 14:57:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17843 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:57:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA18069; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18541 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18525 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990422190542.EUXN9420.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a>; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <015001be8cf3$8ecb9200$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: "sca-garb" Cc: Subject: H-COST: Fw: glove pattern Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:58:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Here is a glove pattern that I have used that is very good. You can get it from these guys or from amazon dry goods. The price is the same. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Moscow Hide and Fur To: 'Franchesca Havas' Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: RE: glove pattern :We've added a picture of the glove pattern to our web site: : :http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/95000760.html : :You may have to "Reload" the page in your browser to :see the pictures. : :Thank you for your interest in Moscow Hide and Fur and our web site! : :> ---------- :> From: Franchesca Havas[SMTP:ches@io.com] :> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 1:09 PM :> To: Moscow Hide and Fur :> Subject: Re: glove pattern :> :> Sounds great! Thank you! I collect glove patterns and I may have this :> one if :> not I will buy it. :> :> Sincerely, :> F. Havas :> Dallas, Texas :> :> -----Original Message----- :> From: Moscow Hide and Fur :> To: 'Franchesca Havas' :> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:04 PM :> Subject: RE: glove pattern :> :> :> :I've done some checking, and we could probably have a photo :> :posted on the web site next week some time, if you're not in :> :a hurry. :> : :> : :> :> ---------- :> :> From: Franchesca Havas[SMTP:ches@io.com] :> :> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 12:45 PM :> :> To: CustomerService@hideandfur.com :> :> Subject: glove pattern :> :> :> :> lot # 9500-0760 :> :> :> :> I am interested in this pattern but want to make sure it is not one :> :> that I :> :> already have. Can you send me an image of the cover please? :> :> :> :> Sincerely, :> :> F. Havas :> :> Dallas, Texas :> :> :> :> :> : :> : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:12:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01946 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:12:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA19655; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA20799 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com (arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA20736 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id PAA07319 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:13:00 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Tartans To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199904221513_MC2-7310-356@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA01946 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >I'm very interested! Which tartans are available? Anderson -blue, white, red, yellow Black Stewart- Dress Stewart Muted- Dress Mccloud Erracht Cameron Erskine- black & white Green Douglas Hay-red, black, yellow Hunting Chisholm-blue/slate, red white Hunting Mcinnes-reds yellows Hunting McKellar-green blue yellow white Hunting Chisholm Old Colours-browns Hunting Mccloud King George Lynsey 7-8 M-red green Mcduff red blue black Mcnab-red black Princess Elizabeth Princess Mary Muted Red Fraser-reds Wallace-black red bit yellow >That's 20 meter lengths---at 7.50 ---about $150. You don't need to take the whole 20m > How much do you suppose for shipping? Surface or air ? > And how would you want your funds sent? Visa, Mastercard, Cheque, money order anything except debit cards really ! Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:23:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04293 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:23:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA22047; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24355 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA24318 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28578 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-39.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.39]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24088 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904221931.VAA24088@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:10:55 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi list, Penny wrote: > Has anyone noticed that midway through the film, Marion is embroidering on a > "new" panel of the Bayeax Tapestry? Yes, I did. To think that Robin Hood is supposed to play in the 1190ties, ca 110 years after the tapestry was made. I laughed a lot during this film. Mainly not to get angry... Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:24:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04301 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:24:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA22214; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24490 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA24471 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28592 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-39.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.39]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24103 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: "H-COSTUME" Subject: H-COST: SIL Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:30:04 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi list, At last had the chance to see Shakespeare in love. Delightful film! Worth the Oscars for the sheer courage to show mr S's language on the screen. I've been a S-adept for the whole of my adult life and was enchanted with the actors, costume and sets. Only a few questions: would late 16th c british actors have known what late 15th c italians wore? Not in my opinion, they would have worn contemporary dress, wth maybe a few exotic accessories or props (not necessarily italian too...). There were some pretty anachronistic wall sconces with candles to be seen in taverns and rooms, a lot of the men (including Will) wore there doublets open, showing shirts, which is (IMO) a bit too loose for the time. Incidentally : this is the first film in very many years where the barbs were (for the most parts) stripped form the writing quills. We always shout: WHOLE FEATHER! when we see such an unstripped quill. And they appear in every historic film or documentary, while in real life EVERY quill was stripped wholy or partly. I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. It reminded me a bit of the pictures in Mrs Charles H. Ashdowns British Costume during XIX centuries, (p. 67) of a lady circa 1290 or the one on p.99, lady temp. Edward III. This type of headcovering was long gone by 1593. It was a bit of a blemish on the picture. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04307 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:24:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA22231; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24515 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA24347 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28557 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-39.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.39]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24083 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904221931.VAA24083@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:07:59 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Cynthia wrote: > The tapestry itself (not really a tapestry but an embroidery) is > kept in Reading I am told. Is this the replica? I know for a fact that the real one is still in Bayeux; I saw it there. Could you find out where in Reading it is kept? Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:28:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04329 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:28:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA21924; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24251 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA24193 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA23431 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:28:14 -0400 Message-ID: <052d01be8cf6$e1ae69e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fw: glove pattern Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >Here is a glove pattern that I have used that is very good. You can get it >from these guys or from amazon dry goods. The price is the same. > Ya'll are dangerous for a girls wallet! So, I went to look at the gloves and ordered the pattern along with the pattern for the moccasin boots. ;-) I made a list yesterday of all the projects I have the material and patterns for... 27 items on the list! When am I going to find the time for all of these!?!? ;-) Sarah ***************************************** "Bach gave us God's word, Beethoven gave us God's fire, Mozart gave us God's laughter, God gave us music so that we may pray without words." ~Anonymous, found on a wall in a German Opera House _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:38:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04453 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:38:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA25278; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA27021 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA27009 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:46:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:44:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "Henk 't Jong" > >Henk & Pauline 't Jong >tScapreel >Medieval Advisors >Dordrecht, Netherlands > >Hi list, > >At last had the chance to see Shakespeare in love. Delightful film! Worth >the Oscars for the sheer courage to show mr S's language on the screen. > >I've been a S-adept for the whole of my adult life and was enchanted with >the actors, costume and sets. Only a few questions: would late 16th c >british actors have known what late 15th c italians wore? Not in my >opinion, they would have worn contemporary dress, wth maybe a few exotic >accessories or props (not necessarily italian too...). There were some >pretty anachronistic wall sconces with candles to be seen in taverns and >rooms, a lot of the men (including Will) wore there doublets open, showing >shirts, which is (IMO) a bit too loose for the time. Incidentally : this is >the first film in very many years where the barbs were (for the most parts) >stripped form the writing quills. We always shout: WHOLE FEATHER! when we >see such an unstripped quill. And they appear in every historic film or >documentary, while in real life EVERY quill was stripped wholy or partly. > >I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me >was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a >mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or >fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. It reminded me a bit of the pictures in Mrs >Charles H. Ashdowns British Costume during XIX centuries, (p. 67) of a lady >circa 1290 or the one on p.99, lady temp. Edward III. This type of >headcovering was long gone by 1593. It was a bit of a blemish on the >picture. > >Henk > Yes, Henk, a blemish, not a pox. This movie was the first that didn't hurt to watch. I was more than willing to ignore the few things that weren't right, even the nurse's headdress. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 15:59:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04688 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA29781; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA01166 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cubbie.excite.com (cubbie-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.216]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA01149 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mystic.excite.com ([199.172.152.98]) by cubbie.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990422200545.RXAT13399.cubbie@mystic.excite.com> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:05:45 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL Message-Id: <924811545.7361.998@excite.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:05:45 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > At last had the chance to see Shakespeare in love. Delightful film! Worth > the Oscars for the sheer courage to show mr S's language on the screen. > > I've been a S-adept for the whole of my adult life and was enchanted with > the actors, costume and sets. I was most delighted with this movie, and not just for the costumes. It actually had a plot (though there were a *few* holes, such as the 'Virginia colony') and the characters were some I could cheer for. As one who shares Mr. S's birthday (just the day, not the year. Sheesh!) I've long been a fan as well. Interesting to see him portrayed as a human being. And I want that green leather doublet, period or not! >Only a few questions: would late 16th c > british actors have known what late 15th c italians wore? Not in my > opinion, they would have worn contemporary dress, wth maybe a few exotic > accessories or props (not necessarily italian too...). I was surprised to see all the costumes backstage, as I'd always thought that actors wore pretty much their street clothing in that era. (Though, for the female parts, this makes sense.) Guess I have a lot to learn about theater. >There were some > pretty anachronistic wall sconces with candles to be seen in taverns and > rooms, a lot of the men (including Will) wore there doublets open, showing > shirts, which is (IMO) a bit too loose for the time. The open doublets bothered me as well. They did that in 'Elizabeth', too. I think it was a bow to the modern masses, who might not be able to relate to what might be seen as the greater formality of the times. >Incidentally : this is > the first film in very many years where the barbs were (for the most parts) > stripped form the writing quills. We always shout: WHOLE FEATHER! when we > see such an unstripped quill. And they appear in every historic film or > documentary, while in real life EVERY quill was stripped wholy or partly. Didn't even catch that. Yet another tidbit to file away in the 'Historical Accuracy' bin. > > I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me > was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a > mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or > fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. It reminded me a bit of the pictures in Mrs > Charles H. Ashdowns British Costume during XIX centuries, (p. 67) of a lady > circa 1290 or the one on p.99, lady temp. Edward III. This type of > headcovering was long gone by 1593. It was a bit of a blemish on the > picture. The nurse did look out of place, but until I saw your e-mail, I couldn't put my finger on why. (wimples are not my area.) This costume seemed to me to more representational of the character, rather than any attempt at accuracy. Kind of interesting in it's own right, even if a *bit* out of place. The movie was a treat, and I think that if we manage to express ourselves to Hollywierd more firmly, the costuming can only get better. (Well, I can hope, can't I?) Kate ---- StitchWitch All things are possible until they are proved impossible - and even the impossible may only be so, as of now. - Pearl S. Buck _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 16:13:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04892 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:13:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA02786; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA03998 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA03990 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-87.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.2.87] helo=herimats) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10aPyz-0006Uk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: <011401be8cfd$b7feb490$6a065cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <199904221931.VAA24083@worldonline.nl> Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:00:26 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" cross posted from Later Medieval Britain> > Dave wrote: > The copy Anne mentioned is in the Museum of Reading, in England. My > husband and I saw it in '95. It's a great place for kids - they even have > a little throne, and cape, so one child can pretend to be William and the > other Harold as Harold swears his oath. The rest of the museum is very > interesting too - has a pretty good giftshop where I had to resist spending > too much money! The replica itself was stitched in the 1800s. Teresa: Thanks for letting me know that the Bayeux Tapestry copy is in Reading. I'm afraid the Bernard Clayton Book of French Bread didn't exactly tell me *where* this British copy was located; just that it was British and made in the 1800's. I'll try to remember that when this Starving Writer gets famous and can take a "research" trip to England. If I *do* remember, I'll be sure to stop in Reading!!! Anne Gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: Henk 't Jong To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Bayeux Tapestry > > -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" > > Henk & Pauline 't Jong > tScapreel > Medieval Advisors > Dordrecht, Netherlands > > Hi, > > Cynthia wrote: > > The tapestry itself (not really a tapestry but an embroidery) is > > kept in Reading I am told. > > Is this the replica? I know for a fact that the real one is still in > Bayeux; I saw it there. Could you find out where in Reading it is kept? > > Henk > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 16:16:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04915 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:16:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA03353; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA01638 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA01620 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10662 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371F8238.EB8746FF@serv.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:10:32 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL References: <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me > was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a > mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or > fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. Yup, my only complaint or confusion in the whole film. What I figured was that they had to have a reasonable way to dress Will up as a nurse. The only way to do it would be to cover his head and face. So, the nurse got stuck with the old timey headdress. I tried not to let it bother me. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 16:44:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05264 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:44:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA07413; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA09844 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA09815 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990422205214.FSMB9420.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a>; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:52:14 -0700 Message-ID: <027201be8d02$73acad60$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: "sca-garb" , Subject: H-COST: Alcega Taylor's book Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:55:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! WoW! What a great source! It may not be the actual book but the copy I have is the best I have seen in a long time of a primary source reprint. It has an english translation in the back of the WHOLE book! It even translates the letter from the king giving him the right to create this book because he has been declared the Master of his craft. WOW! Beautiful!! A must have book, so many patterns in it!! ISBN: 0-89676-234-3. "Libro de Geometria, Pratica y Traca" by Juan de Alcega (Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589) $40.00 Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 16:53:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05376 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:53:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA08848; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA11839 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA11789 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:01:56 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (14460) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6FGTa16596 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <169b17bd.2450e81e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:01:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com Thanks all for the polka dot research. So.....even though the fabric has a 1950s "feel" to the dots [Luuuucy!!!!] I'm thinking of an 1820-ish outfit....the chiffon over the Robin's egg blue. I have some silk twill the same blue color as the silk but about 2 shades darker for a Spencer or Pelisse to go with it all. And even some millinery velvet in that shade for a bonnet. So it's not common for the period; when have I ever cared about that????? I just didn't want it to be completely & totally off the mark. [I would make a mid 19th century gown but there isn't enough fabric.] Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 16:58:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05405 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:58:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA09544; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA12771 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA12757 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP012.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.20]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA04801 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001be8d04$22021520$141bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:07:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! Henk said, > Incidentally : this is >the first film in very many years where the barbs were (for the most parts) >stripped form the writing quills. We always shout: WHOLE FEATHER! when we >see such an unstripped quill. And they appear in every historic film or >documentary, while in real life EVERY quill was stripped wholy or partly. Yep, I noticed that, too (being trained in palaeography makes me notice little details like that...) >I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me >was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a >mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or >fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. It reminded me a bit of the pictures in Mrs >Charles H. Ashdowns British Costume during XIX centuries, (p. 67) of a lady >circa 1290 or the one on p.99, lady temp. Edward III. This type of >headcovering was long gone by 1593. It was a bit of a blemish on the >picture. I'm assuming that she was dressed that way because that's the way the Nurse in Romeo and Juliet (which SIL alludes is modelled on her) usually dresses. (e.g. "A sail! A sail!" I'm guessing they were going for the basic 15th century look, but didn't quite know enough to get it right. Didn't completely jar, however, since, as I mentioned, I've seen enough productions of "Romeo and Juliet" that costume the Nurse much like her...) Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 17:00:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05476 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:00:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA09804; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA13096 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA13066 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (ip161.denver23.co.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.5.161]) by wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14905 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371F9150.6DC00205@costumemag.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:14:56 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith Organization: Costume & Dressmaker Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL/Nurse's Head Dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mary Denise Smith It never occurred to me to wonder whether the nurse's head dress was correct or not. I thought it was a pun on the nurse's outfit in the Zeffrelli R&J film of 20-something years ago! Old and doddering, Mary Denise Smith _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 17:17:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05635 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:17:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA12363; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA16517 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (rumpleteazer.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.45]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA16469 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU (31907@ese.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.43]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id OAA14504 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ariyana@localhost) by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8.cats-client) id OAA06839; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ariyana Kylstram X-Sender: ariyana@ese.UCSC.EDU To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: SIL In-Reply-To: <199904222022.OAA04030@indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Ariyana Kylstram The "doublet" I believe was actually a jerkin, and looked similar to one in Arnold. The problem was he didn't wear it over a doublt, which is what most liely would have been done. Jerkins don't have to close all the way up, since they go OVER doublets, which DO close all the way up. The other thing is that even though the costumes were all beautiful, and most very period, there wasa seeming mishmash of styles...for example, cone farthingales with the stifffened heart shaped standing ruffs worn behind seemed a little odd. Oh yes, and the spikey gold ruff and the peacock feather one as well... I've looked at lots of portraits and not seen anything *quite* like those ever. Still, all that aside. it was beautiful, it had fantasy elements and it ADMITTED THAT at the beginning of the film, and it gave history a good name without munging the facts too badly. Far better than, as some friends of mine have called it, "that movie" (elizabeth). .ari The Lady Ariyana of House Kylstram ariyana@cats.ucsc.edu http://www.kithrup.com/~ariyana/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 18:14:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06292 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:14:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA20643; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA27825 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA27808; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904222222.QAA27808@indra.com> From: "Gillespie, Lyn" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in any costume books I know of. I'm guessing the painting of the saint is from about 1350, based on the painter's life span and the sleeves. My questions are as follows: 1. The only way I could drape the organ pipe pleats was to put the front on the bias and the back on the straight grain. I'm assuming the back is similar to the front based on some similar dresses illustrated in Jaqueline Herald's book. Is this correct? If not, what am I doing wrong? 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper sleeve from slouching over the elbow? 3. Lastly, the last one to two pleats at the side of both front and back don't quite hang right. Has anyone learned a trick about the sides? I am planning on side lacing the dress. I'm planning on using a midweight wool for the dress, partially lined through the bottom of the pleats. I apologize for posting this again, but my dress dummy is getting very tired of wearing the same mock-up And I'm scared of wasting the wool because fabric prices are high here. Many thanks! Lyn Gillespie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 20:07:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07658 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA06020; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA15492 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA15467 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA20531 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:45:39 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA00827; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:55:07 +0930 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:55:00 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn In-Reply-To: <199904222222.QAA27808@indra.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Gillespie, Lyn wrote: > > -Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" > > > I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. > I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in > any costume books I know of. I'm guessing the painting of the saint is from > about 1350, based on the painter's life span and the sleeves. Um...you did? There was no attachment at this end.... > > 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper > sleeve from slouching over the elbow? Ooh, yes I'd be interested in some advice on this too - one of my next projects will be one of those It Ren with the really huge puffy upper sleeves and I was wondering if it would need a foundation sleeve or whether a puffy chemise and very tight lower sleeve would be sufficient to hold it up. The fabric I was planning on using was a light silk satin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:04:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08369 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:04:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA14702; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA23292 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brain.proaxis.com (root@brain.proaxis.com [206.163.142.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA23281 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:11:24 -0600 (MDT) From: midorih@proaxis.com Received: from oemcomputer (ld01-44.inet-x.net [198.106.195.108]) by brain.proaxis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12355 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990422181228.007b2810@proaxis.com> X-Sender: midorih@proaxis.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:12:28 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Polka Dots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: midorih@proaxis.com AlbertCat@aol.com asks: >About polka dots...... >Does anyone know.....When do they appear? I am not sure when the earliest Polka Dot prints were available however in "Printed calicos for Indians", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly 24(3): 1-10 There is a photograph of a "Polka dot" print collected by William Clark in St. Louis in 1813. and in a letter from G.W. Ewing to R. Chute April 27, 1847 "It's not so important about the shape of the figure, whether it is round, square, diamond, oblong or what, so it is clear, bright, distinct and striking, the sizes of the figures or springs may also vary from --- to --- [circles about 1/10 to 1/4 inches in diameter]" There is also a quote from Phyn and Ellice trade suppliers in Schenectady in 1768: "20 pcs. Indian Callicoe-Red figures and patterns as you chose" that may have included "Polka dots" >Surely before the actual Polka >does...no? I don't know when the Polka originated, it is a Czech dance, but it was being danced in Prague in 1833 so perhaps... Mark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:05:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08378 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:05:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA14934; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA23485 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA23476 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p40.directcon.net [206.170.184.89]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20978 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:10:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:10:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904230210.SAA20978@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper >sleeve from slouching over the elbow? If you want to support a puffy upper sleeve without an extra layer of fabric, a sleeve stay will work. Use a 1" strip of grosgrain ribbon cut to the length you want the puff to cover, and tack it to the top of the armsceye seam and the upper/lower sleeve seam, running along the top of the arm on the inside of the sleeve. I'm pretty sure this isn't a period solution, but it worked well on all those glitzy wedding dresses I used to alter. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:27:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08644 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:27:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA17617; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA26208 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA26187 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id LAA21056 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:05:47 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA00834; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:15:15 +0930 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:15:06 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn In-Reply-To: <199904230210.SAA20978@zeus.directcon.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Margo Anderson wrote: > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > > >2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper > >sleeve from slouching over the elbow? > > If you want to support a puffy upper sleeve without an extra layer of > fabric, a sleeve stay will work. Use a 1" strip of grosgrain ribbon cut to > the length you want the puff to cover, and tack it to the top of the > armsceye seam and the upper/lower sleeve seam, running along the top of the > arm on the inside of the sleeve. Do you tack it to the sleeve all the way down, or just at the top and bottom? And when you say grosgrain ribbon do you mean the ordinary satin ribbon they have in 3 million colours or something a bit stiffer? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:50:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08939 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:50:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA21396; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA29244 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA29231 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.110] (sdts11-118.znet.net [207.167.66.118]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id SAA28725 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Julie Adams > a lot of the men (including Will) wore there doublets open, showing >shirts, which is (IMO) a bit too loose for the time. When I look at 16th c German men's costume they do sometimes show shirts, but at the bottom, rather than the top. The top 3-5 buttons of a doublet are almost always buttoned, even if the bottom 3/4 of the doublet is wide open... But most modern guys will automatically open the top few buttons. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:50:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08942 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:50:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA21403; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA29245 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA29226 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.110] (sdts11-118.znet.net [207.167.66.118]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id SAA28715 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904222222.QAA27808@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Julie Adams Lynn, my expertise is German, and I didn't get the picture, but I'll answer what I can since many construction aspects are similar. >My questions are as follows: >1. The only way I could drape the organ pipe pleats was to put the front on >the bias and the back on the straight grain. I'm assuming the back is >similar to the front based on some similar dresses illustrated in Jaqueline >Herald's book. Is this correct? If not, what am I doing wrong? I do organ pipe pleats as a full circle cut. It shouldn't matter between front and back. I use the pattern drawn from the bases in Blanche Payne's History of Costume FIRST edition (they cut the diagram out in the second) and lengthen or shorten as necessary. >2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper >sleeve from slouching over the elbow? Yes >3. Lastly, the last one to two pleats at the side of both front and back >don't quite hang right. Has anyone learned a trick about the sides? I am >planning on side lacing the dress. Is this where the opening is? If so, I use extra stay tapes on the edges of the openings when organ pipe pleating. Knife pleating is a period alternative if things are going hokey... Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:53:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08961 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:53:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA10329; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA21801 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA21778 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id RAA02547 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:48:35 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Tartans Pounds not dollars To: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199904221748_MC2-7314-D754@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id VAA08961 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson Just to clarify the price of the fabric is 7.50 pounds not dollars, a few seem confused Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 21:54:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08970 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:54:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA10276; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA00640 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA00615 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990422223625.WRNK28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: <371FA48A.A3D3D363@home.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:36:59 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tartans References: <199904221513_MC2-7310-356@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Nobody ever has Bruce! :-( Kat (or at least any in stock or any I can afford!!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:00:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09059 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:00:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA10380; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA18943 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA18923 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:37:06 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (14460) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OSLa03466 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:36:21 EDT Subject: H-COST: Fitting & Proper To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com About the book "Fitting & Proper"... Huge disappointment!!! Not worth the $$$$$. There's nothing new & little information unless you like descriptions of what is on estate inventories. The garments look awful & little or no attempt has gone into the display or photography. The patterns are what you'd expect....no surprises or even interesting details here. Tell your library to get a copy & then check it out. Do not buy this book. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:06:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09105 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:06:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA10277; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA05914 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA05862 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.136.51.73] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.400) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 22 Apr 99 18:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01be8d15$535ebd60$65c1ced0@mamabear> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:10:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" The attachment did not show up. Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: Gillespie, Lyn To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:27 PM Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn > >-Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" > > >I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. >I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in >any costume books I know of. I'm guessing the painting of the saint is from >about 1350, based on the painter's life span and the sleeves. > >My questions are as follows: >1. The only way I could drape the organ pipe pleats was to put the front on >the bias and the back on the straight grain. I'm assuming the back is >similar to the front based on some similar dresses illustrated in Jaqueline >Herald's book. Is this correct? If not, what am I doing wrong? >2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper >sleeve from slouching over the elbow? >3. Lastly, the last one to two pleats at the side of both front and back >don't quite hang right. Has anyone learned a trick about the sides? I am >planning on side lacing the dress. > >I'm planning on using a midweight wool for the dress, partially lined >through the bottom of the pleats. I apologize for posting this again, but >my dress dummy is getting very tired of wearing the same mock-up And >I'm scared of wasting the wool because fabric prices are high here. Many >thanks! > >Lyn Gillespie > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:07:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09123 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:07:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA10332; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA21432 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA21384 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10aRLL-000Fxx-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:49:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:16:45 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: SIL In-Reply-To: <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <199904221931.VAA24103@worldonline.nl>, Henk 't Jong writes > >-Poster: "Henk 't Jong" > >Henk & Pauline 't Jong >tScapreel >Medieval Advisors >Dordrecht, Netherlands > >Hi list, > >At last had the chance to see Shakespeare in love. Delightful film! Worth >the Oscars for the sheer courage to show mr S's language on the screen. > >I've been a S-adept for the whole of my adult life and was enchanted with >the actors, costume and sets. Only a few questions: would late 16th c >british actors have known what late 15th c italians wore? Not in my >opinion, they would have worn contemporary dress, wth maybe a few exotic >accessories or props (not necessarily italian too...). There were some >pretty anachronistic wall sconces with candles to be seen in taverns and >rooms, a lot of the men (including Will) wore there doublets open, showing >shirts, which is (IMO) a bit too loose for the time. Incidentally : this is >the first film in very many years where the barbs were (for the most parts) >stripped form the writing quills. We always shout: WHOLE FEATHER! when we >see such an unstripped quill. And they appear in every historic film or >documentary, while in real life EVERY quill was stripped wholy or partly. > >I can live with the above, but the only thing that was really bothering me >was the headdress of the nurse (and Will's at Greenwich): this was a >mixture of a 15th c couvrechef and wimple (with cornus) and the band or >fillet of a 13th c 'gebende'. It reminded me a bit of the pictures in Mrs >Charles H. Ashdowns British Costume during XIX centuries, (p. 67) of a lady >circa 1290 or the one on p.99, lady temp. Edward III. This type of >headcovering was long gone by 1593. It was a bit of a blemish on the >picture. > >Henk > I was amused that the nurse was so much Juliet's nurse (with a fair bit of Blackadder's "nursie" thrown in) - and of course, when modern companies do Romeo and Juliet, and do it in 15th century Italian, the nurse always wears layers and layers of linen round her head. I knew it was wrong, but I liked the way it was wrong ;-) Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:32:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09537 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:32:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA27184; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA04442 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA04340 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04680; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:44:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:44:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Tish Lehman Subject: H-COST: need help dying (not Kevorkian) In-Reply-To: <199904221748_MC2-7314-D754@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> My mother purchased blindly a blazer, the cut, fit, and fabric of which she likes very much, but the color she discribes as a "sickly green". It is a light green/dark green (or perhaps light green/black) herringbone twill wool. What we'd like to find out is what kind and color of dye would work best, and the actual process of dying something that can't just be tossed in the washing machine. any help is greatly appreciated. Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:38:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09571 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:38:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA27922; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA05303 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA05275 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-198.s198.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.198]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20090 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be8d33$aa8453c0$c63daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Remake of Bayeux Tapestry Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:47:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Those interested in the remake of the Bayeux Tapestry might like to read this article at this webpage... http://www.madeira.co.uk/bayeux_index.html Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 22 22:58:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09801 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:58:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA00379; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA07898 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA07888 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Eskimo.mindspring.com (user-2ivegh5.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.66.37]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05237 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990422230830.006dc5a8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gunstonian@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:08:30 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Laurie L. Kittle" Subject: Re: H-COST: Polka Dots In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990421171123.00a5b020@pop.gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Laurie L. Kittle" Re polka dots, I have a copy of a book about women equestrians of the 20th century, which contains a black-and- white copy of a 1780 print. This print is entitled "The Joys of the Chase, or the Rising Women and the Falling Man." This rising woman's riding habit is most definitely polka dotted or "spangled" (the more appropriate 18th century word). In the battle of the sexes, she definitely wins, as she is jumping over the fallen man. This could now be in a museum as it was owned by the late Paul Mellon. Laurie Kittle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 00:17:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11067 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:17:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA02981; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA06884 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA06870 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:59:26 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (8041) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6ROEa14183 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:21:42 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Nelson bustle? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com In a message dated 4/22/1999 2:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dnunn@interlog.com writes: > have a question regarding the "Nelson bustle." I've been reading a novel > recently which is set in London in 1820 and referrs to one of the > characters wearing a Nelson bustle. This doesn't seem right to me (not my > period). Can anyone tell me whether or not such a thing existed as the > "Nelson bustle" and if so, when would it have been worn? 1890's? > Women were wearing bustle pads circa 1820. They started small and grew larger through the '20s. (See figures 58 & 60 in Cunningtons' History of Underclothes.) And, I just found, the Cunningtons say that women called such a pad a "Nelson," perhaps in honor of the admiral. Ann Wass annbwass@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 00:22:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11153 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:22:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA02921; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA07451 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA07442 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup311.serv.net [207.207.70.204]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA06006 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002601be8d36$5e021de0$cc46cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Hi! > >On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Gillespie, Lyn wrote: > >> >> -Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" >> >> >> I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. >> I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in >snip> >Um...you did? There was no attachment at this end.... >> Didn't get it either... >> 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper >> sleeve from slouching over the elbow? >Ooh, yes I'd be interested in some advice on this too - one of my next >projects will be one of those It Ren with the really huge puffy upper sleeves >and I was wondering if it would need a foundation sleeve or whether a >puffy chemise and very tight lower sleeve would be sufficient to hold it >up. The fabric I was planning on using was a light silk satin. When I've made dresses with these sleeves, I've lined the upper sleeve to give the sleeve a little support for the puffiness, and interlined the lower sleeve with horsehair (or goat hair) interfacing to stabilize the lower sleeve (so they don't slouch) and keep the upper sleeves 'up'. If this is the picture I think it is, I think you want the upper puffy sleeves to sort of slouch down over the tops of the lower sleeves. But I don't know which picture you are using. I think if you are using a lighter weight fabric the lining should be made of a stiffer fabric or maybe you might consider interlining the upper sleeve, too. Otherwise you might get a 'collapsed' puffy sleeve (even if you use the ribbon suggestion to keep it up). But I suggest you use a woven interfacing, 'light weight' if you choose to do this. In my personal experience, I have not found that the really full sleeves of a chemise capable of supporting the puffiness that I think you are looking to acheive. Just my two cents worth. Gia/Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 02:58:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11684 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:58:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA22918; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA24768 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA24761 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:04:15 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com (8060) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GVAa17922 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:03:05 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tartans To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com Mmmmmm! None of them appear to be from any of the family names I am related to, alas! Many thanks for your kind offer and information--but I think that I shall take a pass, after all. Thanks again-- Most sincerely -- albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 02:58:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11690 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:58:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA22864; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA28209 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id AAA28198 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 323 invoked from network); 23 Apr 1999 06:53:56 -0000 Received: from p36.sac3.2xtreme.net (HELO 2xtreme.net) (209.63.218.36) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 06:53:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3720178D.5EA2EBA7@2xtreme.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:47:42 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: A question to the List References: <027201be8d02$73acad60$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Stephen Bergdahl Dear list I am in the middle of thinning out my costume collection. While the patterns, trims, and fabric have not been a problem. I find myself trying to figure out what I am going to do with the clothing. The simplest thing to do is just put them on Ebay, but where on Ebay? Do they go with the Vintage Clothing or................ Any input that you can come up with will be greatly appreciated. I don't know what to do yet. Yours Stephen Bergdahl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 02:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11694 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:58:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA22977; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA22398 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA22391 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p40.directcon.net [206.170.184.89]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17154 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904230631.WAA17154@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson > >Do you tack it to the sleeve all the way down, or just at the top and bottom? Just at the top and bottom. >And when you say grosgrain ribbon do you mean the ordinary satin ribbon >they have in 3 million colours or something a bit stiffer? No, not satin ribbon, although it would work, as would twill tape or any other non-stretchy material. Grosgrain is the ribbon with the crosswise ribs. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 02:58:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11698 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:58:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA23033; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA15704 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA15695 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0692.gti.net [208.216.122.92]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00631 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371FF3AD.6C200843@gti.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:14:38 -0400 From: "Deb-Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fitting & Proper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deb-Lisa R." > Albert- > I agree with you completely. Very disappointing, especially for $55 , this is > not worth buying. And you are so right on about the displays, they are > exceptionally cheesy. Oh well, live & learn, right? > --Lisa-- > > About the book "Fitting & Proper"... > > Huge disappointment!!! Not worth the $$$$$. There's nothing new & little > information unless you like descriptions of what is on estate inventories. > The garments look awful & little or no attempt has gone into the display or > photography. The patterns are what you'd expect....no surprises or even > interesting details here. Tell your library to get a copy & then check it > out. Do not buy this book. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 07:28:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17590 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:28:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA05932; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA19824 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oak.ait.fredonia.edu (oak.ait.fredonia.edu [141.238.1.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id FAA19817 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [141.238.21.194] by oak.ait.fredonia.edu (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.aapi) with ESMTP id ra070347 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:31:51 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Carol Blanchard" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:34:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: Re: need help dyeing (long answer) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <11315109233468@ait.fredonia.edu> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol Blanchard" In my experience, dyeing any premade garment that is not intended to be water washed is a tricky and potentially disasterous experiment. In the case of a suit coat or sports jacket you have many factors to consider: first, is it lined partially or fully - if so you must take the lining out because it will shrink, stain or dye differently than the wool of the jacket itself. Secondly, is the jacket 100% wool or a blend and can it be water washed or is it dry clean only. This should tell you something about the fibres involved and if you can expect some shrinkage or not. Third, is the jacket fully tailored (does it have hand pad-stitched horsehair, collar flannel, etc. in it) or is it convenience tailored with interfacing. If it is hand tailored, expect the horsehair to shrink when wet and need lots of steaming and pressing to lay right again. If interfaced, the felted pellon may dissintegrate in water. In any case, a good professional pressing will be needed after the dyeing. Now to the dye. Wool dyes best with acid dyes. Acid dyes are meant for protein fibres and can give good vibrant hues to wool. These kind of dyes can be obtained from Rupert, Gibbon and Spider or from Dharma Trading, both are on the web. Rit and Tintex are union dyes. There are other manufacturers of union dyes too. These dyes contain some acid dye in their formulas which is why they will color protein fibres. However, it is more difficult to get vibrant tones with these dyes. Fibre reactive dyes like Procion MX will also dye protein fibres when you use acetic acid (white vinegar) in the mix. Consult the actual dye for instructions on this as each is a bit different. Acid and union dyes take best under heated conditions. Fibre reactives are usually cold water dyes, but wools take better if they are heated in this dye system too. However, you can get color into wool with either warm or cool dye in any of these systems. The amount of color that will set will be dependant upon the wool fibres, the percentage of dye used, the time in the bath, whether the dye is steam set or batched, and the kind of dye used. You could also air brush the dye on if you wanted to avoid vat dyeing. Then steam the garment to set the color. As you can see, there are lots of answers to this problem, but each has its drawbacks. I would suggest a talk with someone at Dharma or Rupert, Gibbon and Spider. They may have better ideas. In any case, I have dyed premade garments for the stage quite often, but have always found that the result, although fine for stage use, was most often detrimental to the garment and would not have looked wonderful for street wear. Good luck. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 08:07:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18057 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:07:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA08923; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA22497 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA22481 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-244-136.s136.tnt4.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.244.136]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20296 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201be8d83$3a9f4060$88f4accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: H-COST: Polka Dots and Dotted Swiss Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:17:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" When did the Polka Dots get texture and become Dotted Swiss? When did Dotted Swiss first appear in fashion? Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18880 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:10:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA13555; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA28160 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA28144 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:19:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com (7982) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6HWIa03466 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:18:00 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com In a message dated 4/22/99 5:23:52 PM Central Daylight Time, GillespieL@oiccnaples.navfac.navy.mil writes: > 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper > sleeve from slouching over the elbow? This is purely a costume suggestion, but I underline all my light weight (and some heavy weight) puffy sleeves with petticoat net. It works beautifully, but there are two downsides: 1. Under some fabrics, the net increases the abrasion and if worn frequently under something like a coat or heavy cape, some of the surface may show wear prematurely. (I learned this to my chagrin on velveteen slops under a Henry VIII skirted doublet with greatcoat.) 2. For comfort you will probably want to use a bias binding to finish the armhole edge unless you attach a lining by hand over the seam. Priscilla Schmitz _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:10:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18884 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:10:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA13470; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA28094 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA28072 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.E1629130@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 8:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <37208201.1FDD@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:21:57 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn References: <002601be8d36$5e021de0$cc46cfcf@gia-g> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg > >> 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy > upper > >> sleeve from slouching over the elbow? > >Ooh, yes I'd be interested in some advice on this too - one of my next > >projects will be one of those It Ren with the really huge puffy upper > sleeves > >and I was wondering if it would need a foundation sleeve or whether a > >puffy chemise and very tight lower sleeve would be sufficient to hold it > >up. The fabric I was planning on using was a light silk satin. I've only done a couple big puff sleeves (Italian, early 16th cent.) and am working on a third. But For what it's worth: In the first, not being excessively concerned with authenticity, I made the sleeve with silkessence (that polyester limp imitation silk) and flat-lined them with a fairly stiff nylon net/tulle. Puffed beautifully. For the second, I used china silk, no flat-lining, but did the ribbon method. Also puffed nicely, mostly due to the relative stiffness of the silk. I bet silk taffeta would be even more spectacular. I wonder what flat-lining with silk organza would be like... - Hope ------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:16:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18939 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:16:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14335; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA28884 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA28874 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990423132524.BRQC28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:25:24 -0700 Message-ID: <372074E5.D2DCF6F6@home.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:25:57 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Any tricks for keeping plastic boning from 'buckling' in a rather large hem? (Captain Hook style coat) Any tips or tricks would be *greatly* appreciated!!! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:19:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18963 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:19:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14896; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA29217 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA29196 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29869 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:39 -0400 Message-ID: <05bc01be8d8d$62d84b80$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: A question to the List Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:29:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Vintage clothing is always good... hint for you... put the word "roleplaying" in your description somewhere... people search on it ;-) Also, if at all applicable (not usually in historic costuming, but you never know) use the word "gothic". It makes things sell faster than hotcakes. Recently someone sold a "gothic" men's shirt (similar to those you find in any teenage fad shop) for $80+. And it was very basic... any of us most likely could have made it in an hour or so. ;-) Also, let me know what you have! I just got my bonus from work and for the right piece am more than willing to spend the money. ;-) Sarah >-Poster: Stephen Bergdahl > >Dear list > >I am in the middle of thinning out my costume collection. While the patterns, >trims, and fabric have not been a problem. I find myself trying to figure out >what I am going to do with the clothing. The simplest thing to do is just put >them on Ebay, but where on Ebay? Do they go with the Vintage Clothing >or................ > >Any input that you can come up with will be greatly appreciated. I don't know >what to do yet. > >Yours Stephen Bergdahl > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:30:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19150 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:30:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA15819; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA29905 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA29897 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29934 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: <05e001be8d8e$22b1c260$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. Casings are easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I found was that they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches wide... it depends on what you are doing with it, but that may work... I'm not sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. Sarah > > >Any tricks for keeping plastic boning from 'buckling' in a rather large >hem? (Captain Hook style coat) Any tips or tricks would be *greatly* >appreciated!!! > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:41:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19301 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:41:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA17400; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA01831 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA01822 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990423134843.BWSA28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37207A5C.3321E8DB@home.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:49:16 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! References: <05e001be8d8e$22b1c260$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Sarah Toney wrote: > > Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. Casings are > easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I found was that > they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches wide... it > depends on what you are doing with it, but that may work... I'm not > sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. Hmmm, did not have it in the casing but sewed it tightly into the hem. Can you please, please, please check with your mom and see where she got it? Pretty please with whipped creqm, chocolate, cherries & sprinkles on top? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:51:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19418 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:51:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19122; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA03441 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA03390 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:00:25 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (3704) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6PJMa15097 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e26136b.2451d6aa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:59:06 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Polka Dots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/22/99 9:13:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, midorih@proaxis.com writes: << There is a photograph of a "Polka dot" print collected by William Clark in St. Louis in 1813. >> Great! And I just saw [quite by accident....I wasn't researching] in my "Fashion in Detail" a gown of "printed cotton with gold polka-dot overprinting. Dutch, 1780s" [Page 42, 43] so the early 1800 dress I have planned is looking more & more authentic. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:53:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19434 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:52:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19303; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA03559 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA03533 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00220 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:58:17 -0400 Message-ID: <05fa01be8d91$f1a2b860$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:02:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I will most certainly try... though my mom's memory for these silly things has gone straight down the tubes... kids do that to ya. ;-) Honestly, though, I should be talking to her sometime this afternoon and will ask. Sarah >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >Sarah Toney wrote: >> >> Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. Casings are >> easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I found was that >> they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches wide... it >> depends on what you are doing with it, but that may work... I'm not >> sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. > >Hmmm, did not have it in the casing but sewed it tightly into the hem. >Can you please, please, please check with your mom and see where she got >it? Pretty please with whipped creqm, chocolate, cherries & sprinkles >on top? > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 09:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19478 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:57:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA20123; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04205 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA04172 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26923; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11534; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: FO: Elizabethan Ruff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Though I've been doing Elizabethan costuming for a long time, so far I've avoided making ruffs. It's personal bias more than anything else--I hate the claustrophobic feel of the things and I look silly in them besides. But ruffs are one of those de rigeur costuming things that Elizabethan costumers are expected to make, so I finally rolled up my sleeves and decided to try one out. I got construction ideas from several postings on h-costume & sca-garb, so I thought I'd write down the details of how I made it for any others on the list who might be able to use them. So here goes: The ruff itself is serviceable, but not spectacular. Authenticity was not my first priority when making this one; ease of construction was. So I ended up using that polyester "ruffle" stuff-it's about 3 inches wide with fishing-wire type stuff sewn into the outer edge and the inner edge slightly gathered to a small band. It looks like the stuff that goes on the neck of a clown outfit. I bought 8 yards of this and 9 yards of white, 3/4 inch-wide bobbin lace to edge it with. The first part was easy-I sat down at the sewing machine and stitched the bobbin lace to the outer edge of the white ruffly material, covering up the topstitched hem and helping to stiffen the edge. Then I made a linen neckband-1 inch wide and big enough to fit comfortably around my neck. I basically folded over a rectangle of linen, sewed one short side and the two long edges together, turned it right side out, and voila. I marked out dots with a vanishing fabric pen every 1/4 inch at the bottom edge of the neckband. I did the same along the top edge, but I started 1/8 an inch away from the end so that the dots on the top edge and bottom edge were staggered. If you connected a top dot to a bottom dot and went back to the top and then to the bottom, you'd get a very narrow zig-zag. Using the same pen, I marked dots along the gathered edge of the ruffle at 1-inch intervals. Then I threaded two needles with strong white thread. I folded 1 raw end of the ruffle under, and stitched the gathered edge to the bottom edge of the band, matching the first dot on the ruffle to the first dot on the band. Using the other needle, I stitched the ruffle fabric to the top of the band, matching the next dot on the ruffle to the first dot on the top edge of the neckband. I then brought the fabric back across and stitched the ruffle to the bottom edge of the band with the bottom edge needle, matching dots. I continued this zig-zag stitching,sewing the ruffle to the top edge, then the bottom edge, then the top edge again, until I came to the end of the neckband. I had just a little bit of fabric left. I cut the ruffle off half an inch after the last dot, folded it under, and stitched it to the very end of the band. I now had a ruff, albeit an exceedingly messy and contrary one. I then took some stiffening stuff-it's used for stiffening crochet, and is available at Ben Franklin's, some Jo-Anns, and other craft and fabric stores-and diluted it half and half with water in a big bowl. I dunked the ruff in, massaged it around, and let it sit for a couple of hours. Then I took it out, gently squeezed out any excess moisture, set it on a flat surface (covered with saran wrap), andd began to arrange and even out all of the ruffles so that they were the same height and size. It took a while, but I finally finished-and let it sit for two days. After it had thoroughly dried, I picked it up and tried it on. Voila! A perfectly even ruff! It stuck straight out when I tried it on by itself; when I put a high-collared gown on over it, however, it pushed it up around my face like the ruffs you see in period in the later 1560s. Things I will do different next time: Use a different ruffle material. The polyester, though very convenient, looked polyester-y and didn't stiffen very well. Next time I plan to use a band of linen, with horsehair braid sewn to the outer edge, gathered on the inner edge into bias tape. Use a different lace. The 3/4 inch bobbin lace was OK, but didn't look particularly Elizabethan. I found this amazing 2-inch-wide Versailles lace that I plan to stitch to the edge of the linen band-it cost an arm and a leg, but it is the spitting image of lace edging seen in Elizabethan portraits. I'm going to make the linen band narrower, so the finished ruff is still only 3.5 inches wide or so. Stitch the edge ruffles together where they touch, once the ruff is starched. This ruff tended to slip and slide and get slightly bent out of shape. I plan to stitch pearls to the ruffles where they touch, like I've seen done in a couple of Elizabethan portraits. Hope this post comes in handy, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 10:59:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29399 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:59:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA28682; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA14561 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA14548 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.211 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:06:41 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000101be8d9b$c9f24e20$d30bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199904222222.QAA27808@indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Lyn, You might try sending your Perugia attachment to interested folks individually, if you can't post it on somebody's website for us to access. This list doesn't accept attachments. Jaqueline Herald indicated the pleats were stayed on the inside with tapes. They could also be sewn to a lining, although I don't know if the Italians did this generally. I suspect they did, because those pleats are so darn even in paintings of the wealthy. Grosgrain ribbon is distinguished by tiny ridges going across the ribbon, in the same solid color as the ribbon. It is strong and doesn't crush or twist as easily as a satin ribbon of the same width. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gillespie, Lyn Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:23 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn -Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in any costume books I know of. I'm guessing the painting of the saint is from about 1350, based on the painter's life span and the sleeves. My questions are as follows: 1. The only way I could drape the organ pipe pleats was to put the front on the bias and the back on the straight grain. I'm assuming the back is similar to the front based on some similar dresses illustrated in Jaqueline Herald's book. Is this correct? If not, what am I doing wrong? 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper sleeve from slouching over the elbow? 3. Lastly, the last one to two pleats at the side of both front and back don't quite hang right. Has anyone learned a trick about the sides? I am planning on side lacing the dress. I'm planning on using a midweight wool for the dress, partially lined through the bottom of the pleats. I apologize for posting this again, but my dress dummy is getting very tired of wearing the same mock-up And I'm scared of wasting the wool because fabric prices are high here. Many thanks! Lyn Gillespie ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 11:00:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA30379 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:00:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA28711; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA14579 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA14560 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.211 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:06:46 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000201be8d9b$cca0f360$d30bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <37207A5C.3321E8DB@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I don't know any commercial products for your need, but in the trash bins at Home Depot and similar stores, you can find cast-of nylon strapping which is about 5/8" wide which would work for your purposes in a casing. the maximum length without bends is about 3 feet, so longer lengths will have to be taped together. If you crease it hard, it will not bounce back into shape perfectly, but for the tails of a captain hook coat, I would think it would work quite well. In my area this stuff is a lovely bright green, so it would have to go inside a material where it wouldn't show through. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kat & Kent Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:49 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! -Poster: Kat & Kent Sarah Toney wrote: > > Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. Casings are > easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I found was that > they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches wide... it > depends on what you are doing with it, but that may work... I'm not > sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. Hmmm, did not have it in the casing but sewed it tightly into the hem. Can you please, please, please check with your mom and see where she got it? Pretty please with whipped creqm, chocolate, cherries & sprinkles on top? Kat ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 11:06:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06273 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:06:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA00721; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16163 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA16158 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p12.directcon.net [206.170.184.61]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13876 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:13:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:13:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904231613.IAA13876@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: A question to the List Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I am in the middle of thinning out my costume collection. While the patterns, >trims, and fabric have not been a problem. I find myself trying to figure out >what I am going to do with the clothing. The simplest thing to do is just put >them on Ebay, but where on Ebay? Do they go with the Vintage Clothing >or.......... Most costumes I've seen on Ebay are in Vintage Clothing, or Women's Clothing, General. I think it's time for a costume category, though. Perhaps you should suggest it to Ebay? Let us know how you do on this. I'm considering doing the same with some of my costumes. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 11:23:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13914 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:23:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA01488; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16832 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA16786 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00631 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:08:59 -0400 Message-ID: <065101be8d9b$d1259120$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Wow! you are waaay more resourceful than I am... I may make you my new official crazy but useful ideas person. ;-) Sarah > >-Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > >I don't know any commercial products for your need, but in >the trash bins at Home Depot and similar stores, you can >find cast-of nylon strapping which is about 5/8" wide which >would work for your purposes in a casing. the maximum >length without bends is about 3 feet, so longer lengths will >have to be taped together. If you crease it hard, it will >not bounce back into shape perfectly, but for the tails of a >captain hook coat, I would think it would work quite well. >In my area this stuff is a lovely bright green, so it would >have to go inside a material where it wouldn't show through. > >Hope H. Dunlap > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-h-costume@indra.com >[mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Kat & Kent >Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:49 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! > > > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >Sarah Toney wrote: >> >> Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. >Casings are >> easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I >found was that >> they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches >wide... it >> depends on what you are doing with it, but that may >work... I'm not >> sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. > >Hmmm, did not have it in the casing but sewed it tightly >into the hem. >Can you please, please, please check with your mom and see >where she got >it? Pretty please with whipped creqm, chocolate, cherries & >sprinkles >on top? > >Kat > >____________________________________________________________ >_____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to >majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 11:28:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13948 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:28:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA02803; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18137 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA17847 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p12.directcon.net [206.170.184.61]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14764 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904231621.IAA14764@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson . I wonder what flat-lining >with silk organza would be like... > It's gorgeous. I used to alter a line of wedding gowns by the name of St. Pucci (horrible name) that were made with the most exquisite technique, really couture quality at the price of moderately high off the rack bridal gowns. Every piece was flatlined with silk organza, and it gave a soft but still substantial line. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 12:01:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14364 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:01:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA10162; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA26407 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA26379 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.155 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:08:50 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn, again Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000501be8da4$78d60f00$d30bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I've often wondered if those very regular organ pipe type pleats on Italian Renn garments weren't strategically weighted, especially at the bottom of the outside pleats, along with the staying, to help them fall into position so perfectly. I could see a series of washers sewn inside the hem of the garment, all linked with a tiny chain or cord fastened at regular intervals to the washers but visible on the back side of the garment to help achieve that look. The washers would be located in the inside back of each pleat. I've seen this done in the huge pleated velvet curtains for stage prosceniums in theatres, but never tried it on a garment. It may be that the stay is enough for the center pleats but that the weights become necessary for the outside pleats. It may be that graduated weights with the heavier ones toward the outside edges would do the trick. I would think that you might need more weight at the sides than center front. Weighted correctly, you might not need any staying at the hem at all. Does the Pitti Palace collection include any garments like this? Some museums, such as the Museum at Bath, have an e-mail hotline to which you can direct this kind of question to their curators. The M of B will not answer any questions about non-English garments however--not even other UK garb. I wonder if there is anyone in Italy who would do the same. I've gotten some intelligent answers by e-mail from the Bibiotecha Stampalia in Venice, which has a Web site, but my questions were related to scanning their collection for certain rare books, not costume. Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 12:24:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14631 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:24:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA15194; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA01825 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA01795 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03160 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13011 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:32:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn, again In-Reply-To: <000501be8da4$78d60f00$d30bfdd0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed > -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > > I've often wondered if those very regular organ pipe type > pleats on Italian Renn garments weren't strategically > weighted, especially at the bottom of the outside pleats, > along with the staying, to help them fall into position so > perfectly. I could see a series of washers sewn inside the > hem of the garment, all linked with a tiny chain or cord > fastened at regular intervals to the washers but visible on > the back side of the garment to help achieve that look. The > washers would be located in the inside back of each pleat. > I've seen this done in the huge pleated velvet curtains for > stage prosceniums in theatres, but never tried it on a > garment. It may be that the stay is enough for the center > pleats but that the weights become necessary for the outside > pleats. It may be that graduated weights with the heavier > ones toward the outside edges would do the trick. I would > think that you might need more weight at the sides than > center front. Weighted correctly, you might not need any > staying at the hem at all. You could try the "lead-weighted string" that they have in the drapery sections of fabric stores. It's about 1/4 inch in diameter, with small beads of lead enclosed within. It looks like normal heavy string but weighs a /ton/. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 13:14:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17862 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:14:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA27537; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA07516 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA07479 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:24 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com (2612) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GMa019332 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:56:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: A question to the List To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/99 10:16:18 AM Central Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: > Most costumes I've seen on Ebay are in Vintage Clothing, or Women's > Clothing, General. I think it's time for a costume category, though. > Perhaps you should suggest it to Ebay? > > Let us know how you do on this. I'm considering doing the same with some of > my costumes. PLEASE let the list know when you post on Ebay, along with which category (until they incorporate a costume category), and the time period of the costumes. I am always willing to purchase costumes and pieces. DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 14:12:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18767 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:12:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA10221; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA24977 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA24833 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07639 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14169 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Back issues of Costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can one get them? Thanks for any info you have, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 14:19:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18817 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:19:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA10873; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA25913 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA25890 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem23.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.151] helo=herimats) by svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10ahtS-0002PB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:29:31 +0100 Message-ID: <009401be8d9e$054a57e0$21075cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <000101be8d9b$c9f24e20$d30bfdd0@default> Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:28:16 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" Poster LD Mundy ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope H. Dunlap To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 4:02 PM Subject: RE: H-COST: Italian Renn > > -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > > Lyn, > > You might try sending your Perugia attachment to interested > folks individually, if you can't post it on somebody's > website for us to access. This list doesn't accept > attachments. > > Hope H. Dunlap > If its any help and as its within the scope of our mag anyway, we can offer the list some spare webspace for uploading attachments and pics; Usually we can get them up with a day; often less; The offer is there if anybody needs it - just email me the pic direct and include the thread title and your name , We can inform the list when it is up; L:D:Mundy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 14:53:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19294 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:53:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA18448; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA02743 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA02722 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-218.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.218]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA09734 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990423150945.009796c0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:09:45 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn In-Reply-To: References: <199904222222.QAA27808@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, I didn't receive any attached picture so I'm winging it. >> 2. Should the sleeves have a false interior sleeve to keep the puffy upper >> sleeve from slouching over the elbow? >Ooh, yes I'd be interested in some advice on this too - one of my next >projects will be one of those It Ren with the really huge puffy upper sleeves >and I was wondering if it would need a foundation sleeve or whether a >puffy chemise and very tight lower sleeve would be sufficient to hold it >up. The fabric I was planning on using was a light silk satin. Are you speaking of the large ruched sleeves found primarily in Bronzino portraits? If so, I've done them and you need an under layer or base to attach all the outer fabric to or else it won't hold it's shape. Good luck. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 19:51:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23118 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:51:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA12119; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA11213 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA11168 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup315.serv.net [207.207.70.208]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA25543 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301be8de5$ea51a900$d046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:59:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" >-Poster: "Gillespie, Lyn" > > >I'm writing again to ask for help with the Italian Renn I'm trying to make. >I've attached the picture since it is from a museum in Perugia and is not in Could you post the URL, so I could see the picture? Thanks! Gia/Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 19:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23156 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:57:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA20399; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA05003 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04947 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port098.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.98]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA15637 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:45:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <371E219F.A461B9C3@ndh.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:06:09 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: a question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Andrea Clef Hello Stephen! Why don`t you offer your costumes for sale at this list at first? I think here might be many people who could be interested in buying certain pieces, including myself ;-). If it`s really a lot and you don`t want to post a long listing to this mailing list, just let the interested people send their e-mail adresses to you and mail them your list separately. At ebay, I think, you would have to use the normal clothing or miscellania section, I haven`t discovered something about costume yet. Many greetings, Diana _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:00:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23230 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:00:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA06667; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA19654 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA19568 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904231758.JAA24337@zeus.directcon.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:56:03 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Currency/price converter website? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Somewhere, I read about a website that has a function similar to a currency >converter. Apparently you give it a price, type in a date, and it adjusts >for inflation and gives you the figure that the price would be in that >year's money. Has anyone run across this site? > >Failing that, I've been told that a very rough rule of thumb for converting >19th century prices to today's money is to multiply by 33. Any opinions? > >Margo > I can't answer to the second paragraph you've written but the conversion site is http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic I use it at work all the time to convert money for people traveling in Europe, but I only work in the past few months, not decades or centuries. Good luck. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:00:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23234 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:00:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA08798; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA18536 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA18106 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19398.; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:31:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:26:10 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:25:43 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #286 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id UAA23234 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Julie Adams wrote: When I look at 16th c German men's costume they do sometimes show shirts, but at the bottom, rather than the top. The top 3-5 buttons of a doublet are almost always buttoned, even if the bottom 3/4 of the doublet is wide open... But most modern guys will automatically open the top few buttons. //Early 17th cent. Englishmen sometimes did so too, it being considered sexy to have some shirt showing.This idea was taken to extremes in the very skimpy doublets of the 1650s, worn with petticoat breeches. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:06:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23277 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:06:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA20606; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04160 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:42:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04143; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:42:40 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D8WET6CR; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:42:18 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com, sca-arts@raven.cc.ukans.edu Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:41:16 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Polish Exhibit in Chicago Message-ID: <19990423.114140.-425765.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,15-16,31-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com The Art Institute of Chicago is having an exhibit called "Land of the Winged Horsemen: Art in Poland, 1572-1764" from June 5-September 6 1999. >From the newsletter: "From 1572 to 1764, the Polish Commonwealth was Europe's largest nation and a gigantic melting pot of cultures, religious beliefs, customs, and historical experiences. A sovereign state, Poland enjoyed an independently developed and unique form of government- a democracy of the gentry in which kings were elected. During this period of prosperity and stability, Poland developed into a country of power and significance. The nobility indulged in it's love of splendor, nurturing the arts. The military flexed it's might, lending forces to Christian Europe against invading Muslims and striking fear in the enemy with the "winged horsemen" of it's cavalry. Polish civilization and culture radiated upon it's neighbors. 'Land of the Winged Horsemen' contributes greatly to a better understanding of this rich and exuberant period. Consisting of apporximately 150 works drawn from the Royal Castle, Warsaw, the Wawel Royal Castle, Cracow, and other Polish collections, this exhibition is the first major display in the United States of Paintings, ceramics, glass, furniture, weaponry, metalworks, and textiles (including a Turkish tent) from this crucial period. The four sections of the exhibition cover: Polish royalty, highlighted by a portrait of Ladislas IV by Peter Paul Rubens, the gilded and velvet appointed throne of King Stanilas Augustus Poniatowski, and a crown, orb, and scepter used for coronation; the luxurious taste in furnishings and costume of the nobles, known as Magnates; the magnificent armor and horse-trappings of the military; and the icons, liturgical vestments, and such paintings as a 17th century version of the Black Madonna of Czestochowa, which reflect the depth and piety of Polish religious life." Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23279 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:06:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA08797; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA24528 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA24397 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.118 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:28:03 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000301be8d9e$c56f2fa0$d30bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I've often wondered if those very regular organ pipe type pleats on Italian Renn garments weren't strategically weighted, especially at the bottom of the outside pleats, along with the staying, to help them fall into position so perfectly. I could see a series of washers sewn inside the hem of the garment, all linked with a tiny chain or cord fastened at regular intervals to the washers but visible on the back side of the garment to help achieve that look. The washers would be located in the inside back of each pleat. I've seen this done in the huge pleated velvet curtains for stage prosceniums in theatres, but never tried it on a garment. It may be that the stay is enough for the center pleats but that the weights become necessary for the outside pleats. It may be that graduated weights with the heavier ones toward the outside edges would do the trick. I would think that you might need more weight at the sides than center front. Weighted correctly, you might not need any staying at the hem at all. Does the Pitti Palace collection include any garments like this? Some museums, such as the Museum at Bath, have an e-mail hotline to which you can direct this kind of question to their curators. The M of B will not answer any questions about non-English garments however--not even other UK garb. I wonder if there is anyone in Italy who would do the same. I've gotten some intelligent answers by e-mail from the Bibiotecha Stampalia in Venice, which has a Web site, but my questions were related to scanning their collection for certain rare books, not costume. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:09:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23300 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:09:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA11707; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA25097 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA24962 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.112 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:02:19 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000401be8da3$8d6a6b60$d30bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <065101be8d9b$d1259120$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" "Crazy and resourceful" comes from being the daughter of two Depression-era children. In those days people reused everything and called it "thrift" or "making do." We washed aluminum foil and reused it, saved string, paper bags, cereal box cardboard, etc. Today they have this new-fangled word for it called "recycling." You'd think to listen to the environmental crowd, that it was only recently invented! It's a way of life in the Third World, and I hope it never changes. For instance, in Mexico, instead of mounting reflectors on little metal posts at regular intervals to mark the sides of the highways, they dump out a succession of neat little piles of gravel and jam an empty aluminum soft drink can in each little pile. The round end sticks out a little and acts as the reflective marker. Cheap, low tech, tidy, and quite effective. When I go to Home Depot, I always buy a few things, but I leave with a whole shopping cart full of mill ends, strappings, and other useful materials from the waste bins. The clerks think its fun and are quite supportive--you have to ask the clerk in charge of the area around the bin for permission to remove it free, but no one has ever said " no". But I've noticed the Managers eyeing my cart regularly, thinking they are missing an opportunity for resale. Don't let on that it is useful stuff. You're just cutting down on their waste disposal costs, that's all! The clear green strapping has a rigidity which is appropriate for your use. It is used to bind huge pallets of dimensioned lumber, so look for it in the lumber aisle. No to be confused with the softish 1/4" white woven strapping, which must also be very useful, but I haven't yet figured out what to do with it. Likewise it seems to good to be regularly thrown away. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Toney Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:13 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Wow! you are waaay more resourceful than I am... I may make you my new official crazy but useful ideas person. ;-) Sarah > >-Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > >I don't know any commercial products for your need, but in >the trash bins at Home Depot and similar stores, you can >find cast-of nylon strapping which is about 5/8" wide which >would work for your purposes in a casing. the maximum >length without bends is about 3 feet, so longer lengths will >have to be taped together. If you crease it hard, it will >not bounce back into shape perfectly, but for the tails of a >captain hook coat, I would think it would work quite well. >In my area this stuff is a lovely bright green, so it would >have to go inside a material where it wouldn't show through. > >Hope H. Dunlap > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-h-costume@indra.com >[mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Kat & Kent >Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:49 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! > > > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >Sarah Toney wrote: >> >> Case it and sew it directly into the inside of the hem. >Casings are >> easy enough with the right fabric. The other thing I >found was that >> they have a version of "boning" that is about 1 1/2 inches >wide... it >> depends on what you are doing with it, but that may >work... I'm not >> sure where to find it... my mom sent it to me. > >Hmmm, did not have it in the casing but sewed it tightly >into the hem. >Can you please, please, please check with your mom and see >where she got >it? Pretty please with whipped creqm, chocolate, cherries & >sprinkles >on top? > >Kat > >___________________________________________________________ _ >_____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to >majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:22:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23496 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:22:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA17347; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA15006 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailserver1.picknowl.com.au (mailserver1.picknowl.com.au [203.24.77.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA14999 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:31:13 -0600 (MDT) From: starkiller@picknowl.com.au Received: from [203.24.76.210] by mailserver1.picknowl.com.au (NTMail 4.20.0009/NU2410.00.9f0c7ce7) with ESMTP id wdndcaaa for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:01:10 +0930 Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19990424110255.3837be06@mail.picknowl.com.au> X-Sender: starkiller@mail.picknowl.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:02:55 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Viking Apron dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: starkiller@picknowl.com.au Greetings one and all I hope someone here can help me. I'm trying to find some pictorial sources for the Viking Apron dress. I can't even find the pictures of the find from Hedeby! I've found one site, which is by an SCA lady, which has diagrams for cutting and construction, but I'm really looking for images to see how its worn. If anyone can point me in the direction of sites or books or sources or papyri or soothsayers (see how desperate I'm getting?)I'd be eternally grateful! Thankyou all in advance. Yours, Lydie _______________________________ Now, now, mind your manners and play war nicely-Kate, Grey Co, WA. Costume researcher of doom, manic seamstress and photographic perfectionist. Phew! starkiller@picknowl.com.au _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 20:32:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23609 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:32:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA18750; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA16117 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA16097 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21898 invoked from network); 24 Apr 1999 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from 194.64.3-9.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO ?207.231.64.194?) (207.231.64.194) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 00:35:45 -0000 X-Sender: karolee@keith.lloyd.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:41:23 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) >-Poster: aleed > > >Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of >Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can one get >them? > >Thanks for any info you have, > >Drea > I don't know where to buy it but you can check them out of libraries. You can photocopy the sections you want. Try your nearest university library. If they don't have it, interlibrary loan works. Non-students can usually get university library cards. By the way, CSUSacramento does have several issues in hardbound which are available for check out. Karolee J. Smiley _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 22:17:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24970 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:17:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA02000; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA26002 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA25981 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-77.intrepid.net [206.102.68.77]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20121 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:20:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990423222103.00805800@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:21:03 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto I just received the form yesterday from the Costume Society for ordering back issues and threw it away. Penny Ladiner runs the Costume Society's Web page. Penny! tell her where to look. At 05:41 PM 4/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) > >>-Poster: aleed >> >> >>Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of >>Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can one get >>them? >> >>Thanks for any info you have, >> >>Drea >> > > >I don't know where to buy it but you can check them out of libraries. You >can photocopy the sections you want. Try your nearest university library. >If they don't have it, interlibrary loan works. Non-students can usually >get university library cards. By the way, CSUSacramento does have several >issues in hardbound which are available for check out. > >Karolee J. Smiley > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 22:37:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25219 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:37:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA04363; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA27658 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA27647 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:40:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Jess786587@aol.com Received: from Jess786587@aol.com (14395) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6CCQa19330 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:37:46 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jess786587@aol.com Try either The English Costume Society http://www.Bath.uk.com/CostumeSociety/ or The American Costume Society http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com One's Dress and the other is Costume. I can never keep them straight! Jess _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 22:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25347 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:47:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA05492; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA26865 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mi.verio.com (mail.mi.verio.com [209.69.6.110]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA26689 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rust.net (69-124.pop.sh.mi.verio.com [209.69.69.124]) by mail.mi.verio.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00819 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37212C2A.761C58D@rust.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:27:54 -0400 From: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen Organization: The Curiosity Shop X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Subject: H-COST: Mid 19th c. weddings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen - -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > ...weddings in the mid-19th century (pre ACW). > What would working-class people wear to their weddings? Just their Sunday > best, or special clothing? Most working class people probably couldn't afford special clothing to get married or if they did have new clothes for the occasion, those clothes remained their best clothes for some time to come. This was probably true for many people that were fairly middle class too. > Also, WHEN would they get married?...for instance, urban workers generally worked > long days, six days a week. So would they get married on Sunday? Sunday was the one day most people had off so that was a popular day to get married. > Would they get married in a church, or at a JP's office? It depended on a variety of factors, but the tendency was to have private ceremonies, generally in the bride's home if there was room or in a church of small chapel if not. Only the witnesses and very close friends or relations generally attended the actual ceremony with a wider circle of friends and family celebrating after the ceremony. By the ACW 'public' weddings were becoming much more common. There is a wonderful description of a public church wedding in a book titled _The Cormany Diaries: A Northern Family in the Civil War_. The minister invited the congregation at the last church service of the day to stay and witness the wedding that was to follow. Rachel and Samuel walked up the aisle together as a couple and got married. Her bridesmaids wore white and she wore a blue dress she made for the occasion. They were both college educated and middle class, Her wedding dress was her 'best' dress for some time after that. Glenna Jo Christen gwjchris@rust.net Visit our web site, "The Curiosity Shop" http://www.rust.net/~gwjchris/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 22:59:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25482 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:59:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA06595; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA29339 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA29333 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:02:26 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com (2615) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6WTGa02129 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:52:34 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: back issues of "Costume" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Re the request for back issues of the society journal. Which costume society journal might need clarification. The journal of the Costume Society of America is Dress and some back issues are available throught the society, both to members and non-menbers. that particular page is Costume Society of America's Journal DRESS, 1993-1996 (http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/dress5.html ) The journal for the British Costume Society (not sure of the proper name) is Costume and I don't even know of a web site for them. If someone does and knows about back issues, I'd like them also. Charlene Bullard _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 23:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25710 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:16:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA08588; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA01312 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA01304 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:19:10 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com (14431) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6FRa019330 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:17:57 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Costume Calendar Concept (long) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com shoot, darn, sorry...sent personal to the list Kelly _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 23 23:18:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25730 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:18:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA08409; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA01191 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA01182 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:17:52 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com (14431) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6VVNa07145 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39c4e70a.245291bb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Costume Calendar Concept (long To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/20/98 1:13:33 PM Central Standard Time, SAQUEEN@aol.com writes: << The Costume Calendar Series began with the 1998 edition, Reflections in Time followed by the 1999 Historic Fashions of Women & Children. >> I have written before I know but I wanted to see if you still had calendars left from both years. Please let me know and the prices and where to send the money. Is a personal check okay? I am willing to wait for it to clear your bank if needed. I probably only want one of each. Thanks, Kelly Albrecht m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 24 00:00:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26374 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:00:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA15425; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA06625 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA06615 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990424040927.IJHU28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: <37214417.73303369@home.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:09:59 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! References: <000401be8da3$8d6a6b60$d30bfdd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent "Hope H. Dunlap" wrote: > > "Crazy and resourceful" comes from being the daughter of two > Depression-era children. In those days people reused > everything and called it "thrift" or "making do." We > washed aluminum foil and reused it, saved string, paper > bags, cereal box cardboard, etc. Today they have this > new-fangled word for it called "recycling." You'd think to > listen to the environmental crowd, that it was only recently > invented! It's a way of life in the Third World, and I hope > it never changes. same here! > > When I go to Home Depot, I always buy a few things, but I > leave with a whole shopping cart full of mill ends, > strappings, and other useful materials from the waste bins. > The clerks think its fun and are quite supportive--you have > to ask the clerk in charge of the area around the bin for > permission to remove it free, but no one has ever said " > no". But I've noticed the Managers eyeing my cart > regularly, thinking they are missing an opportunity for > resale. Don't let on that it is useful stuff. You're just > cutting down on their waste disposal costs, that's all! Aha! I've already scavenged their sawdust piles for the sawdust to make my pressing hams with! > The clear green strapping has a rigidity which is > appropriate for your use. It is used to bind huge pallets > of dimensioned lumber, so look for it in the lumber aisle. > No to be confused with the softish 1/4" white woven > strapping, which must also be very useful, but I haven't yet > figured out what to do with it. Likewise it seems to good > to be regularly thrown away. Thanks!! Now...anything in the waste bins for boning corsets? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 24 01:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27587 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:03:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA21026; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA11974 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA11966 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p18.directcon.net [206.170.184.67]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28131 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:09:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:09:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904240609.WAA28131@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Currency/price converter website? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:56 AM 4/23/99 -0800, you wrote: >t the conversion >site is http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic > >I use it at work all the time to convert money for people traveling in >Europe, but I only work in the past few months, not decades or centuries. >Good luck. Thanks, but it only goes back to 1990. Oh well. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 24 01:20:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27827 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:20:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA22867; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA13213 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA13205 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p18.directcon.net [206.170.184.67]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29477 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:26:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:26:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904240626.WAA29477@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >Thanks!! Now...anything in the waste bins for boning corsets? Yes, the metal strapping that they use for bundles of lumber will work, especially for heavy Elizabethan corsets. Watch out, though, it rusts so you'll need to stop in the paint aisle and get a can of Rustoleum (3.95) to paint it. Also, it needs to be cut to size, so go to the tool cage and buy a pair of tin snips (14.95). While you're there, pick up a can of tool dip ($7) for coating the ends. You have now spent $26 to save spending $15 on boning! Not that I'm running down hardware stores, just the boning alternative fallacy. My studio contains any number of cool sewing tools that came from Home Depot, including a set of wood clamps I used for holding long lengths of fabric on the cutting table and on grain, a chalk line that's wonderful for marking really long cutting lines, a tool apron that holds my various cutting and marking tools, and of course, pegboard with those nice long hooks for hanging cones of thread. Not to mention barge cement and a wallpaper seam roller for holding leather seams open, plastic snap lock storage drawers for beads and findings, and clamp on shop lights wherever I need extra light. I love that place! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 24 15:48:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05199 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25294; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA28892 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA28885 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990424195657.MCOD28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <37222229.F1EB7D09@home.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:57:29 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! References: <199904240626.WAA29477@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Margo Anderson wrote: > > Yes, the metal strapping that they use for bundles of lumber will > work, especially for heavy Elizabethan corsets. Watch out, though, it > rusts so you'll need to stop in the paint aisle and get a can of > Rustoleum (3.95) to paint it. Hmmm, I can find it for $3.50 or less > Also, it needs to be cut to size, so go to the tool cage and buy > a pair of tin snips (14.95). Gee, husband was SCA heavy weapons fighter...have tin snips and bolt cutters. > While you're there, pick up a can of tool dip > ($7) for coating the ends. Just bought a can at Wal-Mart for another project for $5.97. > You have now spent $26 to save spending $15 on boning! Sooooo, in my case I'll save about $11! > Not that I'm running down hardware stores, just the boning alternative > fallacy. My studio contains any number of cool sewing tools that came > from Home Depot, including a set of wood clamps I used for holding > long lengths of fabric on the cutting table and on grain, a chalk line > that's wonderful for marking really long cutting lines, a tool apron > that holds my various cutting and marking tools, and of course, > pegboard with those nice long hooks for hanging cones of thread. Not > to mention barge cement and a wallpaper seam roller for holding > leather seams open, plastic snap lock storage drawers for beads and > findings, and clamp on shop lights wherever I need extra light. I > love that place! Home Despot is my friend! BTW we have a bunch of fence wire that I'm thinking of trying out for the farthingales...whatcha think? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Apr 24 23:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10766 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:47:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA14242; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA08089 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA08074 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:56:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Luiseach@aol.com Received: from Luiseach@aol.com (320) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6MGCa03242 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:55:22 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Viking Apron dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Luiseach@aol.com In a message dated 04/23/99 05:31:33 PM, Lydie wrote: <> Since you already know about the SCA, have you seen the SCA Compleat Anachronist on "Women's Dress in Northern Europe" which, IIRC, has a good summary of information on Viking aprons and good references to other publications. Lucinda _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 00:02:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10971 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:02:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA15944; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA09446 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA09429 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [209.77.71.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14669 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904250508.VAA14669@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson > >Home Despot is my friend! BTW we have a bunch of fence wire that I'm >thinking of trying out for the farthingales...whatcha think? > It might work, depending on how stiff the wire is. I'm thinking of trying to build a cage crinoline with wire, since the narrow thread covered hoop steel is so expensive. I've only found one source for it and they want $5.50 Canadian a metre. I figured that's about $175 US to make the crinoline I want. ACK!!! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 00:56:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11818 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:56:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA22591; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA13628 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:05:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail5.austin.rr.com (fe5.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.52]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA13622 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs9363-30.austin.rr.com ([24.93.63.30]) by mail5.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:05:52 -0500 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 05:10:30 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <37299ca2.263768235@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> References: <199904250508.VAA14669@zeus.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: <199904250508.VAA14669@zeus.directcon.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id AAA11818 Status: O -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > >It might work, depending on how stiff the wire is. I'm thinking of trying >to build a cage crinoline with wire, since the narrow thread covered hoop >steel is so expensive. I've only found one source for it and they want >$5.50 Canadian a metre. I figured that's about $175 US to make the >crinoline I want. ACK!!! A possible solution is "hobby" piano wire (music wire), which costs about 50cents to a dollar or so per length (depending on gauge), comes in 3 foot lengths, and can be cut with heavy tinsnips, and can be joined by brass tubing (about a dollar for a 1 foot length, which makes 10-12 joins), secured with epoxy. You could construct an entire skirt, quite easily, by building your hoops out of these materials - I have made a hoop, based on drawings in _Costume In Detail_ (which I do not have on hand..grrr.) , in the section on the 1850's, that resembles the one on page 165 of Cunnington's _History of Underclothes_ and referred to as the 'Scarlet Flannel Crinoline, 1869'. Mine is made without the small flat bustle pad and fabric panel containing the hoops (my hoops are held inplace by being firmly stitched into casings on the vertical bands) in that example, and with an added ruffle around the bottom hoop. It's a pretty robust hoop. I also made a larger version for my sister who is more buxom than myself (and six inches taller). Both of these have withstood the test of bus and car rides in (HEAVY) costume, multiple costume changes, and a season of Dickens Faire. Ours are both made with the wire hoops uncovered, but thay can easily be covered by bias tape or ribbon sewn into a tube and run over the wire or sewn directly over the wire itself. It could also be electrical or gaffer taped, painted or tooldipped, though I don't think it is really necessary, as the hoops have never rusted. It's a bit cheaper than your nifty-sounding thread-wrapped hoop-wire, and probably not as pretty, but it does the job fairly well. You would also have to invest in tinsnips and a hobby saw (to cut the tubing) but if you make several sets of complex wire hoops, the cost differential will show. I think my sister and i spent perhaps $50 total for *both* sets of light hoops. We had the tools on hand. If you are one of those who likes to custom-cut their own boning form a spool of the stuff, you will find the tools handy anyway. Margery ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There is no spoon~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ {*to reply take "spambegone" from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 01:37:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12531 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:37:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA25413; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16381 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16375 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [209.77.71.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20673 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:43:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:43:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904250643.WAA20673@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: wire for hoops, WAS plastic boning in hem...Help! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >A possible solution is "hobby" piano wire (music wire), which costs >about 50cents to a dollar or so per length (depending on gauge), comes >in 3 foot lengths, and can be cut with heavy tinsnips, and can be >joined by brass tubing (about a dollar for a 1 foot length, which >makes 10-12 joins), secured with epoxy. Thank you! I had considered music wire, but thought it would be to hard to shape from the small coils I've seen it sold in. I didn't know you can buy it in straight lengths. May I ask where? The brass tubing joiners is a great idea, too. I feel a crinoline coming on... Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 02:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11997 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:47:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA00963; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA20258 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA20252 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:56:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Mezarale@aol.com Received: from Mezarale@aol.com (8002) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6YTGa03569 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3280b9a5.2454167b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:55:55 EDT Subject: H-COST: sewing by hand To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mezarale@aol.com Hi, I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Jonica Hogan (I have been unable to read the list for a while so if this topic has come up please forgive me) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 09:22:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18134 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:21:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA19306; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA15796 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA15788 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:25:33 -0600 (MDT) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-129-54.s54.tnt2.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.129.54]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10596 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:25:57 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Viking Apron dress Date: Sun, 25 Apr 99 13:26:11 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: trekona@erols.com > I hope someone here can help me. I'm trying to find some pictorial sources > for the Viking Apron dress. I can't even find the pictures of the find from > Hedeby! I've found one site, which is by an SCA lady, which has diagrams > for cutting and construction, but I'm really looking for images to see how > its worn. If anyone can point me in the direction of sites or books or > sources or papyri or soothsayers (see how desperate I'm getting?)I'd be > eternally grateful! Thankyou all in advance. Hi Lydie, The problem, as you are finding, is that there isn't much in artwork to go by! First you need to get your hands on a bunch of the huge 'coffee-table' books that are mostly pictures (authors/edslike, David Wilson or Graham-Campbell) to see the artifacts. And there's not much, and what there is doesn't help a whole lot unless you know what you're looking at. There is (somewhere, I've seen someon'e drawing of it, but never the artifact) a little hnefatafl piece that shows a large rectangular iece wrapping around, and a little rectangular piece hanging down front. If you find the little gold foil pieces, they often show a women in a pleated dress, wearing a rectangular cloth that wraps around from the back (like the game piece) and cross over the breast - the result is that it spits in an inverted V down the front of the body, this time with no front panel hanging over the V (like the game piece is trying to depict). You can try on the Gotland stones (lotsa pictures of them in the books), but most of the wmen depicted are in profile and it's hard to see what they are wearing. The most common one shows the woman with her hair knotted, wearing a triangular shawl (therefore you can't see brooches) and holding something wierd in her hands. She is clearly wearing a pleated dress with a separate front panel, but you can't tell what the back treatment is (this is the closest to showing those standard tea-towel aprons that many people are fond of wearing, there is no evidence for them, otherwise). Most of the little silver pieces of women are also in profile and done't help any on this - although there is one who looks very much like she's wearing a coat (quite similar to one of Folkwear's patterns!). The Oseberg tapestry shows lots of women - sitting down in wagons and you can only see a dress, shawl and baggy cap. Oh, you can't find pictures of the find from Hedeby, because only scraps of women's stuff were found. The closest to artistic interp that you'll find is in Graham-Campbell's _cultural Atlas of the viking World_. It's fairly expensive (though a lovely book), but luckily you can browse it in many Barnes & Nobles. Hope this is of some help. -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 10:47:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19101 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:47:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA25131; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA21332 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA21327 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990425145636.QKHN28556.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:56:36 -0700 Message-ID: <37232D43.D5A772E8@home.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:57:07 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand References: <3280b9a5.2454167b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Mezarale@aol.com wrote: > > > I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where > I have nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone > please give me any helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing > and how to finish seems when I am hand sewing? Any help will be > appreciated. When I'm handsewing I tend to first sew all my seam by finger pressing a very small hem and stitching that first. Then I sew the seams together. I also 'cheat' a bit by taking more than one stitch at a time if the fabric is fine as opposed to heavy (eg in, out, in, out, in, out and *then* pull the fabric through). This method allows *me* to make smaller stitches without going crazy! For me hand sewing isn't really all that different from machine sewing because I didn't get a sewing machine until I was 20, so my first 9 years of sewing costumes were all done by hand...and even then, unless it's for stage I tend to only sew the interior seams (and occasionally the hem if I'm in a hurry) by machine. You may try different thimbles. Personally, I can't use one and control the needle. I've tried the traditional metal ones that fit over the finger, leather thimbles and ring thimbles. The ring thimbles are the easiest for me to tolerate and I only use them when I'm working with very, very heavy fabric or many layers of cloth sewn together. When I am heming collars and cuffs I tend to use fancier stitches to finish them...even if it's just something as simple as slanting (eg /\/\/\ or such). I have an encyclopedia of stitches which provides inspiration. I've always enjoyed hand sewing costumes/garb and can generally turn out a plain t-tunic dress in about 7 hours...your time may vary! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 11:00:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19247 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:00:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA26168; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22290 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22281 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.164] (209-63-113-164.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.164]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27437 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904252310.QAA27437@smtp5.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:09:40 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I would like to call everyone's attention to this post. This is not to make comments about the poster at all. But it is to point out to everyone that when people try to make clothing pre the invention of the sewing machine they are at a dis-advantage. In fact from what I can see many people do not know how to sew even with a sewing machine these days. The problem is that people are not taught to sew as a part of their general education. Women - and I think it unfortunately that one can't say this for men too - were taught to sew as children. Since this was a basic skill you do not find instructions on how to sew period clothing. Women were expected to know how to do this. This problem comes up again and again on this list and it is not the fault of the people involved but of our world. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: Mezarale@aol.com >To: h-costume-digest@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: sewing by hand >Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999, 11:55 PM > > >-Poster: Mezarale@aol.com > >Hi, > >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have >nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any >helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems >when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jonica Hogan >(I have been unable to read the list for a while so if this topic has come up >please forgive me) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 13:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20852 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:16:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA10928; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA04726 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA04717 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup315.serv.net [207.207.70.208]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10503 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01be8f41$1e9ceec0$d046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:28:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Greetings! I've been having fun doing hand sewing, lately. I had decided to try it to make T-tunics by handsewing them all by hand. I don't know if all of what I did is actually 'right', but it felt right to me. So, here goes... Using a very short running stitch, I sewed the seam using thread that was doubled and beewaxed . Then I did a blanket stich to finish the seams also using doubled beeswaxed thread. On the first one I laid the seam over to one side (flat felled?) and did a short running stitch, again with doubled beewaxed thread. I did this mostly for decoration, but it will also give the seams more strength. I plan on wearing this T tunic alot! On the second one I didn't do the flat felled (?) seam, and I suppose I could have done the running stitch twice, up then down, but since I don't plan on wearing this one as much, I didn't feel that I needed the additional stitching. I finished the seams the same as I did one the first one. For the hems, I turned down a 1/4 inch and then did a very short hemming stitch. My first one took about 8 hours my second about 7 hours. I think the difference in time was due to the fact I wasn't watching a movie when I did the second one. I used a leather thimble while stitching. There are a few styles out there. The one I have is one that has a bit of elastic type stuff that goes up past the first knuckles and is quite secure. I've found that other thimbles just don't stay on my finger and it's annoying to have to stop and adjust it to use. All in all, I found sewing garments by hand quite relaxing and I got to be with my family instead of behind my sewing machines! I hope that this helps...Have fun! Gia/Giacinta > >-Poster: Mezarale@aol.com > >Hi, > >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have >nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any >helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems >when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jonica Hogan >(I have been unable to read the list for a while so if this topic has come up >please forgive me) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 13:23:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20956 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:23:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA11483; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA05394 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA05388 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p9.directcon.net [206.170.184.58]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18436 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:30:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:30:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904251830.KAA18436@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have >nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any >helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems >when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. > This is something I'm just starting to do, so far I've made an apron and I'm almost done topstitching the side back seams on a dress. One thing I've found very helpful is, when sewing a long straight seam, to secure the end of the seam so that it can be kept under tension. You can buy a screw and clamp arrangement from Clotilde that's helpful, or just pin it to your clothing. I also have my great-grandmother's sewing bird clamp, but the spring is broken. Does anyone know someone who fixes antique sewing tools? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 15:33:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22477 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:33:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA25951; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA27103 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.austin.rr.com (pop-server.satx.rr.com [24.93.35.146]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA27097 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs9363-30.austin.rr.com ([24.93.63.30]) by mail3.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:30:59 -0500 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: wire for hoops, WAS plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:46:04 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <37236eb4.3176909@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> References: <199904250643.WAA20673@zeus.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: <199904250643.WAA20673@zeus.directcon.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA22477 Status: O -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:43:36 -0800 (PST), Margo Anderson wrote: >Thank you! I had considered music wire, but thought it would be to hard to >shape from the small coils I've seen it sold in. I didn't know you can buy >it in straight lengths. May I ask where? Many train and hobby shops carry it, as do some hardware stores that have a small train and hobby section. It's usually near the doweling and wood/plastic bits for building your own hobby things. I *think* it's for airplanes, but I'm not sure and I've never had the courage to ask. Oh - and this had slipped my mind when I posted the last hint - For another covering option, you can get heatshrink tubing at large electronics supply stores and either actually shrink it in place or just seal the ends together with hotglue. The tubing comes in 5 foot lengths and can be cut easily with scissors. I've also used it to build flexible, articulated armatures for a set of large red angel wings for a Pre-Raphaelite Angel costume. A bit tough, and not something I'm likely to post instructions for on the list ;) Margery ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There is no spoon~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ {*to reply take "spambegone" from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 15:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22693 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:52:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA28959; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA00358 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.austin.rr.com (pop-server.satx.rr.com [24.93.35.146]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA00320 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs9363-30.austin.rr.com ([24.93.63.30]) by mail3.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:50:09 -0500 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: wire for hoops, WAS plastic boning in hem...Help! Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:05:15 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3724751b.4816713@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> References: <199904250643.WAA20673@zeus.directcon.net> <37236eb4.3176909@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <37236eb4.3176909@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA22693 Status: O -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:46:04 GMT, I wrote: >I've also used it to build flexible, articulated armatures for a set >of large red angel wings for a Pre-Raphaelite Angel costume. >A bit tough, and not something I'm likely to post instructions for on Meaning, of course, that I'd used the Music Wire...Not just the tubing. *smacks forehead* I need to have a cup of coffee, apologies to any I unintentionally misled with that. Margery ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There is no spoon~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ {*to reply take "spambegone" from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 18:54:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24833 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:54:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA21680; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA26688 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mi.verio.com (mail.mi.verio.com [209.69.6.110]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA26671 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rust.net (69-104.pop.sh.mi.verio.com [209.69.69.104]) by mail.mi.verio.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA26620 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37239F66.3129D85B@rust.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:04:06 -0400 From: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen Organization: The Curiosity Shop X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Subject: H-COST: Re: Sewing by hand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen - -Poster: Mezarale@aol.com > Can anyone please give me any helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and > how to finish seams when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. How you finish seams depends in part on your time period and the material you are sewing. I can only comment on mid to late 19th c. seam finishes... There are two very helpful books titled _Lady's Guide to Plain Sewing_ Vol. 1 & Vol. 2. from Kannik's Korners. They are geared to late 18th & early 19th c. sewing techniques, but most of the basic stitches are pretty universal and well worth the price of $10 ea. Every stitch is clearly explained with easy to follow line drawings. If I can learn to make Dorset thread buttons as well as a variety of other basic buttons as well as that wonderful rolled edging for ruffled shirts, anyone can! ;-) Shameless plug: If you can't find these books locally, contact me off line and I can send them to you. S&H is only $1.50 for one or both books. Glenna Jo Christen gwjchris@rust.net Visit our web site, "The Curiosity Shop" http://www.rust.net/~gwjchris/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 19:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25093 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:18:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA25437; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA28947 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA28938 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.151.9.20] (th-0-11.patriot.net [206.151.9.20] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14758 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199904252327.TAA14758@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Date: Sun, 25 Apr 99 19:30:54 -0000 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jonica Hogan wrote, >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I >have nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please >give me any helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to >finish seems when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. It may make a difference depending on what period clothing you are making. Wasn't there a web page at one point illustrating Viking era stitches? For the eighteenth into the early nineteenth century, I like _A Lady's Guide to Plain Sewing_, from Kannick's Korner. PO Box 1654, Springfield, Ohio, 45501. The book costs about $10, and there is a second volume for about the same price. The techniques in these books were learned from the examination of extant objects. Sitting and waiting may also be a good opportunity to take up some decorative work, such as embroidery or small scale quilting. -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 21:45:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26878 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:45:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA18352; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA29174 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA29126 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup324.serv.net [207.207.70.217]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13139 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001f01be8f88$25059680$dd46cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:56:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Greetings, again...more of my 2 cents worth... > > It may make a difference depending on what period clothing you are >making. Wasn't there a web page at one point illustrating Viking era >stitches? > Yes, there was a web page with "Dark Ages Stitch Types", but it's no longer functioning. It reviewed basic stitches: running stitch, oversewing, herringbone and blanket stitch. If you are interested in excavations with information on stitches, the book Textiles in Northern Archeology NESAT III: Textile Symposiun in York edited by Penelope Walton and John-Peter Wild (ISBN 1 873132 05 0) is very good. There are other books, as Carol says, so you could do a search if you are interested. I hope this helps; have fun! Gia/Giacinta > For the eighteenth into the early nineteenth century, I like _A >Lady's Guide to Plain Sewing_, from Kannick's Korner. PO Box 1654, >Springfield, Ohio, 45501. The book costs about $10, and there is a second >volume for about the same price. The techniques in these books were >learned from the examination of extant objects. > > > Sitting and waiting may also be a good opportunity to take up some >decorative work, such as embroidery or small scale quilting. > > -Carol Kocian > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Apr 25 21:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26892 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:47:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA18724; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA00504 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA00443 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (p16.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.144]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21047 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904260156.VAA21047@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:01:23 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: H-COST: Tartans In-Reply-To: <199904221513_MC2-7310-356@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin + Mara Riley No McGill or McAlpin, of course -- dang! Well, they aren't that common. Mara At 03:13 PM 04/22/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Melanie Wilson > >>I'm very interested! Which tartans are available? > >Anderson -blue, white, red, yellow >Black Stewart- >Dress Stewart Muted- >Dress Mccloud >Erracht Cameron >Erskine- black & white >Green Douglas >Hay-red, black, yellow >Hunting Chisholm-blue/slate, red white >Hunting Mcinnes-reds yellows >Hunting McKellar-green blue yellow white >Hunting Chisholm Old Colours-browns >Hunting Mccloud >King George >Lynsey 7-8 M-red green >Mcduff red blue black >Mcnab-red black >Princess Elizabeth >Princess Mary Muted >Red Fraser-reds >Wallace-black red bit yellow Kevin + Mara Riley Home Page http://www.radix.net/~lindo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 01:56:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA30298 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:56:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA17857; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA23002 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA22997 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blkhrse (ip9.pdx4.pacifier.com [216.65.146.9]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25524 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904260603.XAA25524@smtp.pacifier.com> From: "Jill & Ralph" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:45:50 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jill & Ralph" The Viking Tunic Construction page provides some information on stitch type and seam finish. I used this to makes a tunic for my husband and it worked out well. the URL is www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/viktunic.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 08:59:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02722 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:59:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA15803; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:16:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA23965 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f122.hotmail.com [207.82.251.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA23957 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 72040 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 1999 13:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990426130711.72039.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:07:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:07:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" There are two excellent guides available, that no one has mentioned in their replies to this post. They are both by Kathleen Kannik, and available from Burnley Trowbridge (jasburn@aol.com) as well from Kannik's Korner (fkkannik@glasscity.net) or you can try to access their web page through the Revlist web site. They are entitled A Lady's Guide to Plain Sewing, vols. 1 & 2. They are small, paperbound books, printed using period methods and hand bound, so as to even make them appropriate for a (literate) person to take to events. Of course, if you aren't portraying someone who would have been able to read, you'll still have to hide them! They include everything you will need to know, and are well illustrated. The language is easy to follow and include historical notes as well. I highly recommend them. They run about $10.00 each. Susannah > >-Poster: Mezarale@aol.com > >Hi, > >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have >nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any >helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems >when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jonica Hogan >(I have been unable to read the list for a while so if this topic has come up >please forgive me) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 09:08:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02837 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:08:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA16527; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA24757 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uno.cc.geneseo.edu (uno.cc.geneseo.edu [137.238.1.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA24743 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [137.238.65.152] (node152.brodie.geneseo.edu) by uno.cc.geneseo.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24514) with SMTP id <01JAHFKBIQMK001TD3@uno.cc.geneseo.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:19:27 EST Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:19:51 -0500 From: mason@uno.cc.geneseo.edu (barbara jeanette Mason) Subject: Re: H-COST: Santa Monica X-Sender: mason@uno.cc.geneseo.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <01JAHFKBL0KU001TD3@uno.cc.geneseo.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: mason@uno.cc.geneseo.edu (barbara jeanette Mason) All the great places for notions are in the garment district in L.A. Not much in Santa Monica On the mall by the Santa Monica Shopping Center are many good used and new book stores. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 10:33:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03882 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA26835; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA05830 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA05805 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:37:04 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D85WTCD9; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:36:10 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:35:12 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Message-ID: <19990426.093513.-278921.1.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com I don't think that anyone has mentioned it yet, but if you need hand sewing techniques for the Middle Ages, the Museum of London book "Textiles and Clothing" has a whole chapter detailing the sewing methods used on the pieces which were dug out of various sites in and around London. I would highly recommend the book as a resource both for sewing techniques and for information on what weaves and types of cloth are appropriate for that time/location. It covers 1150-1450. ISBN 0 11 290445 9 Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 16:40:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08346 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:40:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA11647; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA25673 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.hotmail.com [207.82.250.44]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA25656 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11251 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 1999 20:49:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990426204912.11250.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:49:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:49:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have ordered several back issues before directly from CSA (Costume Society) and they cost less than $10.00 apiece two years ago, I think. They may have been the cover price plus $4.00 for shipping. Hard to remember back that far! Susannah >From: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:41:23 -0700 > > >-Poster: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) > >>-Poster: aleed >> >> >>Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of >>Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can one get >>them? >> >>Thanks for any info you have, >> >>Drea >> > > >I don't know where to buy it but you can check them out of libraries. You >can photocopy the sections you want. Try your nearest university library. >If they don't have it, interlibrary loan works. Non-students can usually >get university library cards. By the way, CSUSacramento does have several >issues in hardbound which are available for check out. > >Karolee J. Smiley > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 17:07:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08609 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:07:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA17809; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA02290 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA02231; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904262116.PAA02231@indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn, again Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Donna Kenton At 12:13 PM 4/23/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > >I've often wondered if those very regular organ pipe type >pleats on Italian Renn garments weren't strategically >weighted, especially at the bottom of the outside pleats, >along with the staying, to help them fall into position so >perfectly. Is it possible that these skirts had the rows of tape sewn to keep the pleats in place, the way the Landsknect (sp?) bases did? Donna Kenton _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 18:26:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09516 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:26:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA03925; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA19738 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA19533 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.251 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:23:05 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Italian Renn, again Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:25:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be9034$44e4d860$fb0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199904262116.PAA02231@indra.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Well Jaqueline Herald in Rennaissance Dress in Italy 1450-1550 claims they did have tapes--that's what I meant by "staying," elaborated on further in a prior message. I don't think the staytapes alone would be completely effective on the lower edges of garments, hence the hypothesis of weights. Lyn herself ,mentioned the slpaying of the last pleat on each side of the front, and I wondered if the weights might help. There's a drawing of a dress in Kohler, which may be similar. I don't have a copy here, so I can't check the time frame and the location was German surely, not Italian . . . BUT it showed an inset pleated panel in the front of a gown, ie the gown bodice and side fronts were cut in one, with a wide piece of fabric sewn in on three sides, pleated at the top. The bodice ended at or just below the bust line. This cutting approach might help with the pleat splaying problem, particularly if the inset were straight cut and the side panels a little flared. The arms of the saint cover up where those cutting lines would be, if indeed they are there. I'm thinking about this more geometrically than historically, for I do not have the appropraite sources available here to check the provenances of everything. Another thought . . . Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Donna Kenton Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 5:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Renn, again -Poster: Donna Kenton At 12:13 PM 4/23/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > >I've often wondered if those very regular organ pipe type >pleats on Italian Renn garments weren't strategically >weighted, especially at the bottom of the outside pleats, >along with the staying, to help them fall into position so >perfectly. Is it possible that these skirts had the rows of tape sewn to keep the pleats in place, the way the Landsknect (sp?) bases did? Donna Kenton ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 20:08:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10744 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:08:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA19343; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA12437 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA12411 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990427001733.4848.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.255.7] by send102.yahoomail.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:17:33 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: H-COST: 2 felt questions To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" 1. How can I tell if a large piece of felt I have is wool or "fake" felt? 2. How do I clean it either way? Thanks, Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 22:29:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12433 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:29:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA09094; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA28346 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA28330 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27110 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1999 02:24:49 -0000 Received: from 105.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.105) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 02:24:49 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990426193027.2b27f11e@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: sewing by hand Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 02:55 AM 04/25/1999 EDT, Mezarale@aol.com wrote: > >Hi, > >I am going to be spending a lot of time in the near future being where I have >nothing to do and lots of sitting and waiting. Can anyone please give me any >helpful hints or tips on how to hand sew clothing and how to finish seems >when I am hand sewing? Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jonica Hogan Well, as some of the other responders have said, it depends upon what you are sewing. Whenever I sew body linens (shifts, drawers, shirts), I flat-fell all the seams except those that are selvedge to selvedge (those are whip-stitched). It really helps things to last longer. When I am doing a 19th-century (1840s) dress, I self-pipe the shoulders, armscyes, neckline, wrists, and usually the waist seams. The waist, armscye, and shoulder seams are back-stitched for strength. Most of the seams are done in running stitch, with a back-stitch every inch or so to strengthen it. If I'm joining two pieces that are cut on the bias, I like to use a back-stitch or half-back-stitch since it has a bit of "give" to it that running stitch does not. Since I completely line the bodice, I don't usually do any other special seam finishes unless the fabric frays easily (in which case I messed up on my fabric choice ), when I'll overcast or whip-stitch the edges. Since my dress skirts are cut longways of the cloth, those seams are always selvedge to selvedge (running stitch), so they don't need any seam finishing. To really do the hem "correctly", I should be using a hem facing, but I don't always get to it . I usually do an uneven running stitch for hemming; this just means a small stitch showing on the front of the fabric with a longer one on the inside (easier shown than described). The booklet "Ladies' Guide to Plain Sewing" is quite helpful for 18th-19th century sewing. All of this talk of hand sewing is reminding me of waiting projects.... Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Apr 26 23:01:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12895 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:01:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA12953; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA03180 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (mail.zebra.net [209.12.13.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA03163 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zebra.net ([209.12.69.197]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 evaluation license) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:09:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3725288B.33F5A2FA@zebra.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:01:31 -0500 From: Meribeth McCombs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Civil War Attire References: <016a01be7c5c$074747e0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> <3703C8E2.D0903CD5@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Meribeth McCombs HI - As a historic costumer and occasional living historian, I was wondering what women would do during the era to modify their dresses so that they could nurse their children? Any suggestions? MeriBeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 00:35:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14210 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:35:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA25156; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA13261 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA13237 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:44:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14418) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6EIGa02131 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:45:35 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish Exhibit in Chicago To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com The same exhibit is currently at the Walters Art gallery in Baltimore through May 9th. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 01:06:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14731 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:06:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA28892; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16573 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16567 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p28.directcon.net [209.77.71.127]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01351 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904270613.WAA01351@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Civil War Attire Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:01 PM 4/26/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Meribeth McCombs > >HI - > >As a historic costumer and occasional living historian, I was wondering >what women would do during the era to modify their dresses so that they >could nurse their children? Any suggestions? Most day dresses in this period fastened up the front, so little modification was necessary. There were corsets with laces or buttoned flaps over the breasts for nursing. there's also at least one example of a fan front bodice with slits for nursing hidden under the pleats. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 08:40:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20009 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:40:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA26589; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA25638 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f158.hotmail.com [207.82.251.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id GAA25628 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 75072 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 12:47:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990427124727.75070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.206.84.216 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:47:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.206.84.216] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Nat'l Std. Dress Reform Movement Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:47:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I apologize for sending this to the list but have apparently deleted the address of the lady who was researching this. I found (while looking for something else!) an article on the above in Dress, vol. 4, 1978, p. 24-29, by Deborah Jean Warner, entitled, "Fashion, Emancipation, Reform, and the Rational Undergarment." Hope this gets to the lady who was looking for this information! Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 09:14:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20369 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:14:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA29275; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA29371 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA29329 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uvm.edu (209.91.2.86) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.2F41AAD0@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 8:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3725B9F9.726151ED@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:22:04 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Another Simplicity Alternative Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg Hi - My daughter needs a new gown. As a slim active 14 year old (obviously didn't get my genes!) she likes simple gowns, nothing fussy or elaborate, and she hates layers, but loves a full swirling skirt. So my usual practice is to put her in something 14th to early 15th century (think Limbourg Bros.), with short sleeves for running around in, and front hidden lacing. I've got a dress weight deep scarlet wool, but the lining will just be cotton--didn't spring for the linen though I drooled over it a bit. I was thinking "Greenland gown" but after the recent talk about Simplicity patterns I thought I'd take a look at those instead of making my own. Anyway, not being particularly taken by the new Styles patterns (at least for this gown) I paged through the other books and came across #8345. It is intriguing because the front seams continue up over the shoulder to form the armhole. Image is available at: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/simp8345.gif If I closed up the neck a bit, and maybe split the side pieces would it be appropriate? Or are those front seams still too close to the center front? Also, since I usually stick to 16th cent. I've got another question: lining. What is the scoop on 14th cent. lining? Yes, no, what fabrics, white, colors? Thanks! - Hope ---------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 10:40:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21415 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:40:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA11153; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12970 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.shamerockhomes.com [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12933 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.130]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3725966F.4E600C74@woodenporch.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:50:41 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Costume Magazine References: <199904270236.UAA29076@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois > > >>Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of > >>Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can > one get > >>them? > >> > >>Drea Drea, I have copies of Costume and also copies of Dress which is the house organ of The Costume Society of America. They are very similar. They are more than $10 though. Contact me if interested with the issue year you want. Lois -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 15:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18271 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:22:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA04344; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA08679 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA08637 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:31:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (8023) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6LCOa02132 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96137cf1.24576a26@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:29:42 EDT Subject: H-COST: swing costume q To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com My husband and I are holding a swing party in October to celebrate our anniversary (12 years). We do swing dancing but we are not really part of the swing dancing "scene." Right now we are trying to figure out what we want to wear, because we will either have to be able to afford to buy it or we will have to make it. We do not care about accurately reproducing the clothing of a particular year. We want to be 1940s looking, that's all. We need clothing that is fancy enough for a big party but comfortable to dance in. Does anyone have any suggestions for (a) affordable stuff we can buy, or (b) patterns? We haven't done much investigation yet, and I thought someone here might be able to guide me! I am an average sewer -- in other words, no tailored suits. Thanks in advance! Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 16:23:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18980 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA14627; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18605 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hissy.excite.com (hissy-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.229]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA18598 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from digger.excite.com ([199.172.152.82]) by hissy.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990427202021.ETBL8309.hissy@digger.excite.com> for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:20:21 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: swing costume q Message-Id: <925244421.3190.353@excite.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:20:21 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "StitchWitch" > My husband and I are holding a swing party in October to celebrate our > anniversary (12 years). *snip* > Does anyone > have any suggestions for (a) affordable stuff we can buy, or (b) patterns? We > haven't done much investigation yet, and I thought someone here might be able > to guide me! I am an average sewer -- in other words, no tailored suits. > Thanks in advance! > > Gail Finke Funny you should ask . . . I was just in the fabric shop, leafing through the Simplicity patterns, and jotted down the number for a swing dress. (I didn't see any swing men's outfits, but I wasn't really looking for them, either.) It is in the costume section, near the back, and the number is: 8629 As Simplicity patterns are going on-sale for 99¢ each on May 8th, you may want to wait a little to pick it (and a few hundred others ) up. ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 20:24:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21731 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:24:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA27988; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA05853 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA05839 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:32:39 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (8010) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QLHa23676 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89aa2ff0.2457b0df@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:31:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: swing costume q To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/27/99 3:33:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gaelscot@aol.com writes: << I am an average sewer -- in other words, no tailored suits. >> I did some costumes back in '95 for a "USO" show commemorating VE day. I had some period patterns but nothing that would fit the girls. I fiddled with Butterick fitting shell patterns & got some great results. In many original 40s dresses there are 2 darts rising from the waist to the bust point & side darts from the side seam to the bust point. The fitting shell has these a la 1960s so I adjusted the side darts to follow the more 40s line: they start below [sometimes as low as 1/2 way down the side seam] the bust level & rise to the bust point in a diagonal line. Sometimes there are 2 parallel side darts & no dart from the waist. The backs of ALL the real 40's patterns I had were exactly like the fitting shell: a small dart at the shoulder & one either side of CB from the waist to nip it in. If you're putting in thick shoulder pads, you need to raise the outside edge of the shoulder seam accordingly. The skirts were very simple. "A" line or straight. Just about all had some kind of small darts in back, many in front too....just like the fitting shell. I stole necklines & sleeves from the original patterns but they were logical & simple. I found some great rayon's & crepes, beaded just the sleeves of one dress...made self fabric flowers & leaves for the left shoulder of another....put metal zippers in the side & added self belts with interesting buckles [one dress had a 2" sash that was tied with tails that hung to almost the just below the knee hem]....they looked real! & were perfect. You can make one.....it's just like modern clothes only more fitted to the figure. C'mon! It'll be fun! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Apr 27 22:26:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23182 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:26:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA17517; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA19912 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (beaver.slip.net [207.171.193.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA19902 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.143] (helo=default) by beaver.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10cJyv-0006Ej-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:21:49 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:22:52 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Your websites In-Reply-To: <3725763E.33D30D44@ndh.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Thanks...I was just curious. I'm still trying to get my 'Patterns & Stitchery' page together, but I, the computer illit, am having trouble figuring out html. Oh, well, one of these days. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 02:42:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA25111 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:42:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA15132; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA16194 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (hil-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.177.138]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA16183 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id CAA26633; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:51:01 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Ciba Reviews To: LIST SCA arts Cc: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199904280251_MC2-73AA-5361@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id CAA25111 Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson I've been offered these Ciba Reviews each at 15 pounds (ouch !) anyway as you know the Reviews are rarte so you might want to snap one or two up Mel 25 Paris Fashion Artists of the Eighteenth Century 32 Children's Dress 60 Roumanian Peasant Textiles 61 Gloves 62 Swiss Fairs and Markets in the Middle Ages 63 Basic Textile Techniques 64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages 65 The Cloth Trade and the Fairs of Champagne 67 Colbert and the French Wool Manufacture 69 Textile Art in Sixteenth-Century France 70 Textile Art in Ancient Mexico 75 Byzantine Silks 76 Early American Textiles 78 Fashions and Textiles of Queen Elizabeth's Reign 83 The Silk and Velvet Industries of Crefeld 84 Maori Textile Techniques 85 Indigo 86 Scottish Highland Dress 88 Swedish Peasant Textiles 89 The Handkerchief go Textile Arts of the North American Indians 90 The Linen Industry of St Gall 93 Uniforms 96 Velvet 97 New Orleans, Centre of the Cotton Trade I 03 Textiles and Dyestuffs at the Frankfort Fairs 106 The Stocking 111 Spun Silk I I 3 The Wool Fibre 114 Fur 133 Coptic Textiles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 03:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27039 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:50:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA19678; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA20248 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from redwood.shu.ac.uk (pp@redwood.shu.ac.uk [143.52.2.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA20241 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ntlupus.shu.ac.uk by redwood.shu.ac.uk with inbound ESMTP (local); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:59:35 +0100 Received: by ntlupus.shu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE9155.706CAA90@ntlupus.shu.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:59:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Chandler, Sally" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Ciba Reviews Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:58:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 68 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Chandler, Sally" Mel, I'd like the Cotton one - no. 64 and the Cloth Trade in Champagne - no 65 if no-one's snapped them up. (Actually I'd like all of them but can't afford them!) Many thanks, Sally Ann -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Wilson [SMTP:MelanieWilson@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:51 AM To: LIST SCA arts Cc: LIST historic costume Subject: H-COST: Ciba Reviews -Poster: Melanie Wilson I've been offered these Ciba Reviews each at 15 pounds (ouch !) anyway as you know the Reviews are rarte so you might want to snap one or two up Mel 25 Paris Fashion Artists of the Eighteenth Century 32 Children's Dress 60 Roumanian Peasant Textiles 61 Gloves 62 Swiss Fairs and Markets in the Middle Ages 63 Basic Textile Techniques 64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages 65 The Cloth Trade and the Fairs of Champagne 67 Colbert and the French Wool Manufacture 69 Textile Art in Sixteenth-Century France 70 Textile Art in Ancient Mexico 75 Byzantine Silks 76 Early American Textiles 78 Fashions and Textiles of Queen Elizabeth's Reign 83 The Silk and Velvet Industries of Crefeld 84 Maori Textile Techniques 85 Indigo 86 Scottish Highland Dress 88 Swedish Peasant Textiles 89 The Handkerchief go Textile Arts of the North American Indians 90 The Linen Industry of St Gall 93 Uniforms 96 Velvet 97 New Orleans, Centre of the Cotton Trade I 03 Textiles and Dyestuffs at the Frankfort Fairs 106 The Stocking 111 Spun Silk I I 3 The Wool Fibre 114 Fur 133 Coptic Textiles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 08:10:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30007 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:10:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA04224; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA12598 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA12591 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (d-ma-superpop-2-196.ici.net [207.180.42.196]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA00770 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904281208.IAA00770@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Tencel? Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:20:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id IAA30007 Status: RO -Poster: Irene leNoir I was hoping somoeone on this list would have the asnwer to a question. I was in my fabric store yesterday, and they had a section of fabrics that were listed as containing "100% Tencel". My question: Is Tencel a new brand name for an existing fiber? (EG: A brand of rayon.) - or - Is it a new fiber? If so, does anyone know anything about its derivation? Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 08:44:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30359 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:44:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA07156; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA15803 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA15788; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02487; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21146; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:54:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: LIST SCA arts , LIST historic costume Subject: Re: H-COST: Ciba Reviews In-Reply-To: <199904280251_MC2-73AA-5361@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed OK, I'll bite--what are the Ciba Reviews? Drea On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Melanie Wilson wrote: > > -Poster: Melanie Wilson > > I've been offered these Ciba Reviews each at 15 pounds (ouch !) anyway as > you know the Reviews are rarte so you might want to snap one or two up > > Mel > > 25 Paris Fashion Artists of the Eighteenth Century > 32 Children's Dress > 60 Roumanian Peasant Textiles > 61 Gloves > 62 Swiss Fairs and Markets in the Middle Ages > 63 Basic Textile Techniques > 64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages > 65 The Cloth Trade and the Fairs of Champagne > > 67 Colbert and the French Wool Manufacture > 69 Textile Art in Sixteenth-Century France > 70 Textile Art in Ancient Mexico > > 75 Byzantine Silks > 76 Early American Textiles > 78 Fashions and Textiles of Queen Elizabeth's Reign > 83 The Silk and Velvet Industries of Crefeld > 84 Maori Textile Techniques > 85 Indigo > 86 Scottish Highland Dress > 88 Swedish Peasant Textiles > 89 The Handkerchief go Textile Arts of the North American > Indians > 90 The Linen Industry of St Gall > 93 Uniforms > 96 Velvet > 97 New Orleans, Centre of the Cotton Trade > I 03 Textiles and Dyestuffs at the Frankfort Fairs > 106 The Stocking > 111 Spun Silk > I I 3 The Wool Fibre > 114 Fur > 133 Coptic Textiles > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 08:57:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30506 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:57:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA08176; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA17147 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns2.filemaker.com (ns2.filemaker.com [192.35.50.17]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA17132 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from banana.filemaker.com (banana.filemaker.com [17.184.4.101]) by ns2.filemaker.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA18426 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.184.16.134] ([17.184.16.134]) by banana.filemaker.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA22506 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:11:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199904281311.GAA22506@banana.filemaker.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #292 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 06:06:43 -0800 x-sender: carol_custer@mail.filemaker.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Carol Custer To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carol Custer Carol Custer will be out of the office for a few weeks, and will not be checking her email at this time. Please send any FileMaker work related matters to Michele Nadan at michele_nadan@filemaker.com. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 09:25:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30890 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:25:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA10757; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA20333 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA20323 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (big.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.197]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29460 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:34:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904281334.IAA29460@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:34:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: Tencel? In-Reply-To: <199904281208.IAA00770@bajor.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA30890 Status: RO -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Tencel is the proprietary name for a new fiber, lyocell. It is similar to rayon, in that it is man-made from natural fibers. For most purposes, you can treat it as you would cotton. It may have a silkier drape and more sheen than cotton, and I think it wrinkles even worse than cotton. It is (usually) machine wash and dry. Kim At 08:20 AM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Irene leNoir > >I was hoping somoeone on this list would have the asnwer to a question. > >I was in my fabric store yesterday, and they had a section of fabrics >that were listed as containing "100% Tencel". > >My question: > >Is Tencel a new brand name for an existing fiber? (EG: A brand of rayon.) > - or - >Is it a new fiber? If so, does anyone know anything about its derivation? > > >Jessica Clark >SCA: Irène leNoir >irene@ici.net >http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 09:43:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31878 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:43:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA12994; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA23085 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA23060 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27654 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:47:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:51:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: Christina Nevin To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" , "'MelanieWilson@compuserve.com'" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:51:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Christina Nevin Hi, I'm very interested in the following; 64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages as I'm trying (operative word being trying!) to write an article on the trade of cotton through Venice in particular, and Italy in general, pre-1600. Could you tell me if the book would be of any use to me? And if you haven't seen it, could you tell me a bit about the Ciba Reviews as I haven't heard of them before (though some of those titles sound familiar). Thanks a whole heap. Regards, Christina Nevin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 10:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA32688 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:46:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA22905; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04430 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA04407 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28720 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:51:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:55:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: Christina Nevin To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE: cotton Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:55:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Christina Nevin Oh well, scratch the below. Sally Ann got first dibs! Sally Ann, would you mind relating any useful bits to me? (email me privately) Cheers, Christina From: Christina Nevin Hi, I'm very interested in the following; 64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lady Lucrezia-Isabella di Freccia | mka Tina Nevin Thamesreach Shire, The Isles, Drachenwald | London, UK thorngrove@geocities.com | http://www.geocities.com/~thorngrove "There is no doubt that great leaders prefer hard drinkers to good versifiers" - Aretino, 1536 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 11:11:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00247 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:11:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27591; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA09768 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mcmail1.miningco.com ([206.132.96.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA09756 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.162.71.46] (HELO lisa) by mcmail1.miningco.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0/2.0 BL23 listener) id 0000_006d_3727_273c_7004; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: <003001be918a$a5da15c0$2e47a2d1@microweb.com> From: "Lisa Scovel" To: References: <199904281254.GAA15816@indra.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #292 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:19:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lisa Scovel" If you don't have your heart set on sewing, I'd really recommend haunting the EBay vintage clothing category for a couple of weeks. 1940s clothing is not at a premium and you can buy a very nice dress (and for your husband, perhaps a suit) for less, I'd wager, than the materials to construct it yourself. 1930s works well for swing, too, don't forget. I have lots of resources on my site, so feel free to take a look: http://reenactment.miningco.com/msub30.htm This article from RETRO can help with clothes for your husband: http://www.retroactive.com/aug98/40sman.html You can also browse the vintage clothing category, at least to get a sense of what's available. You're likely to get better bargains on EBay, however. http://reenactment.miningco.com/msub16.htm Good luck! > From: Gaelscot@aol.com > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:29:42 EDT > Subject: H-COST: swing costume q > > - -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > > My husband and I are holding a swing party in October to celebrate our > anniversary (12 years). We do swing dancing but we are not really part of the > swing dancing "scene." Right now we are trying to figure out what we want to > wear, because we will either have to be able to afford to buy it or we will > have to make it. We do not care about accurately reproducing the clothing of > a particular year. We want to be 1940s looking, that's all. We need clothing > that is fancy enough for a big party but comfortable to dance in. Does anyone > have any suggestions for (a) affordable stuff we can buy, or (b) patterns? We > haven't done much investigation yet, and I thought someone here might be able > to guide me! I am an average sewer -- in other words, no tailored suits. > Thanks in advance! > > Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 11:59:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00795 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:59:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA06572; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA19659 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f160.hotmail.com [209.185.131.223]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA19596 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 57671 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 1999 16:05:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990428160550.57670.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.127.174.177 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.127.174.177] From: "Victoria Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re:garb Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Victoria Clark" NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on period outfits for women which used pants. I'd like to "go guy", but don't want to have a guy persona. If you know what cultures found this acceptable, or any sources I could consult, please e-mail me @ dogbert6zinc@hotmail.com In service, Victoria "Be warned in time, James, and remain, as I do, incomprehensible; to be great is to be misunderstood." -Oscar W _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 12:14:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01003 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA09254; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA22630 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA22607 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25320 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:18:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:18:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904281718.JAA25320@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 09:05 AM 4/28/99 PDT, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Victoria Clark" > >NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on >period outfits for women which used pants. What period, and where? Without this important information, I'd be likely to point you to the 1970's and later, but I think that might not be what you're looking for. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 12:48:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01492 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:48:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA15446; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA29867 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA29849 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00453 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37273E19.6E6E7FC7@serv.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:58:01 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb References: <199904281718.JAA25320@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on > >period outfits for women which used pants. > > What period, and where? Without this important information, I'd be likely > to point you to the 1970's and later Isn't that funny. *g* I would point her towards Middle Eastern clothing. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 12:58:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01626 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:58:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA17449; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:17:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA02101 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA02058 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-122-228.bellatlantic.net [151.200.122.228]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24272 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3727404D.B2B13000@tymeportal.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:07:25 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb References: <199904281718.JAA25320@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Anah http://www.costumes.org/history/aquariangallery/LucyStone1853.jpg > >NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on > >period outfits for women which used pants. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 13:14:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01839 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:14:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA14769; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA28988 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA28972 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:52:31 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.195] (ppp-22.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.22]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06406 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990428160550.57670.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:01:07 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net Victoria Clark wrote: > >NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on >period outfits for women which used pants. I'd like to "go guy", but >don't want to have a guy persona. If you know what cultures found this >acceptable, or any sources I could consult, please e-mail me @ >dogbert6zinc@hotmail.com If you're talking SCA here, then off hand all i can think of that is definite is Near Eastern, depending on your persona's place and time of origin. If from a region where women wore pants, your tunic or overdress (these are not culture-specific terms) would fall somewhere between your ankles and your knees. I'm not sure if SCA-period Japanese peasant women wore the same pants that they wore earlier in this century and the last, but research might turn something up - Folkwear has a complete Japanese field work set, so if it is period, this is another option - and simple to make, based entirely on rectangles. And you might want to look into Chinese women's clothing as well - i'm not certain if they wore pants in period - they certainly have more recently, so again research is called for. Folkwear also has a number of 19th & 20th C. Chinese women's garment patterns, if they are period. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 13:44:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02248 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:44:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25547; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA11683 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA11631 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-246-113.s621.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.113]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25923 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01be91b9$b740b100$71f67ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:57:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" >I'm not sure if SCA-period Japanese peasant women wore the same pants that >they wore earlier in this century and the last, but research might turn >something up - Folkwear has a complete Japanese field work set, so if it is >period, this is another option - and simple to make, based entirely on >rectangles. > Japanese noble women wore hakama from about the 10th cent until the 14th cent. If anyone would like further info, just ask. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 14:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02784 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA04499; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA20381 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA20352 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:27 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.195] (ppp-22.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.22]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11483 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002d01be91b9$b740b100$71f67ad1@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net Andrea Gideon wrote: >Japanese noble women wore hakama from about the 10th cent until the 14th >cent. If anyone would like further info, just ask. Oh, right, i remember - worn over the kimono, very long legs dragging on the floor like a train,depending on how noble you are, and often red. And Folkwear also makes a hakama pattern. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 17:35:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05050 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:35:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA09253; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA13862 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com (arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA13841 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id RAA27790 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:43:33 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Ciba Reviews To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199904281743_MC2-73CB-460F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id RAA05050 Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson They were trade only small mags from 1930s on, never on sale, free internally, with the swiss co Ciba & to libraries. Very scolarly, but compact, very frequently used as reference. Printed in 4 languages (seperatly, these ones are English !) Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 19:59:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06779 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:59:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA04460; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA15945 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA15928 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in150 [199.173.93.150]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA24137 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00dc01be91d4$6e7358e0$965dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: References: <199904281718.JAA25320@zeus.directcon.net> <3727404D.B2B13000@tymeportal.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re:garb - Lucy Stone Picture Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:08:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Beth" Can someone please identify the source. I can't quite read the caption. Thanks in advance, Beth > http://www.costumes.org/history/aquariangallery/LucyStone1853.jpg > > > > >NOVICE QUESTION: I'd like to know if anyone has any information on > > >period outfits for women which used pants. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Apr 28 21:42:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07995 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:42:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22193; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA29399 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA29368 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip213-33.cc.interlog.com [207.34.213.33]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02342 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990428215955.00999c40@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:55 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Tencel? In-Reply-To: <199904281208.IAA00770@bajor.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >I was in my fabric store yesterday, and they had a section of fabrics >that were listed as containing "100% Tencel". > >My question: > >Is Tencel a new brand name for an existing fiber? (EG: A brand of rayon.) > - or - >Is it a new fiber? If so, does anyone know anything about its derivation? >From what I've seen on labels it appears to be cotton treated in some fashion. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 01:48:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10954 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:48:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA18781; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA23486 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA23478 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deathstar (deathstar.canfield.com [206.191.139.22]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA10867 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990428225200.009b5a40@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslieh@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:55:32 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Tencel In-Reply-To: <199904281254.GAA15816@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms I know just enough about Tencel to raise more questions! I think that it is like rayon in that it starts with cellulose fiber and is thus more "natural" acting than the other synthetics. I've also heard that its production is less toxic than that of rayon. (The stuff they liquidate the cellulose fiber with is pretty ghastly.) It looks and feels like a dream to sew with, but I haven't taken the financial plunge yet. Does anyone have more information? Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 08:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14454 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:37:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA12806; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:57:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA24860 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mercury.janrix.com (mercury.janrix.com [207.22.155.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA24850 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kat ([207.22.155.132] (may be forged)) by mercury.janrix.com (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA02440 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:47:37 -0400 Received: by kat with Microsoft Mail id <01BE921E.0B098500@kat>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:34 -0400 Message-ID: <01BE921E.0B098500@kat> From: kat To: "'Historic Costume list'" Subject: H-COST: OT Inflation calculator Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:08:49 -0400 Encoding: 9 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat Haven't tried this, but it came across from another list. Someone was asking about this kind of site. Inflation Calculator http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ In 1997, $1000 from 1850 will be worth $18819.56. Kat Hargus owner, Making Time www.makingtime.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 08:53:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14657 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14130; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA26575 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA26542; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-160.s160.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.160]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09630; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ac01be9240$decb9a00$41f4accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Titanic Dresses Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:04:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I am writing an article on the Titanic dresses. I would like to hear from the designers who reproduced the Titanic dresses. I am tracking the trend cycle and I have a few questions to ask you. Please contact me personally. Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 09:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15197 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:36:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA18314; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA01456 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com (arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA01437 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id JAA24621 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:45:56 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Alter years To: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199904290946_MC2-73D7-3CFD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA15197 Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson Has anyone got an email address for Alter years ? Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 10:04:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15559 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:04:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA21814; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA05054 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA05000 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnaco.net (pm3-1-25.dnaco.net [207.238.206.125]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26990 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37286892.602AA50E@dnaco.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:11:31 -0400 From: Christine Krebs-Bonder <2maples@dnaco.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tencel References: <4.1.19990428225200.009b5a40@mail.canfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Christine Krebs-Bonder <2maples@dnaco.net> I went and checked out the Tencel website. It is made from natural cellulose, and during th manufacting process the chemicals used to draw out the strands into usable threads, is recycled. Unlike in the manufacture of rayon where the fluid is drained off and then has to be dumped somewhere, the fluid is drained off, treated in some fashion to separate the cellulose breakdown byproduct, filtered and then reused to do the next batch. I've made a shell top out of it to wear with one of my summer suits and it is definitely much more omfortable than polyester and hada nicer appearance than rayon. Yes, it wrinkles, but I have yet to find any fabric that doesn't. I used my travel steamer to get the wrinkles out rather than ironing it. I wouldn't recommend it at current prices for costuming, but if you need a "business" blouse to wear during the smmer, it's great (and even at the higher cost for the fabric, it cost less than to buy a good rayon blend blouse at the department store). Christine in Dayton Leslie Helms wrote: > -Poster: Leslie Helms > > I know just enough about Tencel to raise more questions! I think that it > is like rayon in that it starts with cellulose fiber and is thus more > "natural" acting than the other synthetics. I've also heard that its > production is less toxic than that of rayon. (The stuff they liquidate the > cellulose fiber with is pretty ghastly.) It looks and feels like a dream > to sew with, but I haven't taken the financial plunge yet. Does anyone > have more information? > > Leslie > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 11:13:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16361 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27540; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA11537 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA11516 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:23 -0600 (MDT) From: DettaS@aol.com Received: from DettaS@aol.com (571) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OPBa20980 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1953e590.2459ccaf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:54:39 EDT Subject: H-COST: tencel To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DettaS@aol.com The information I've received is that tencel is produced from trees which are grown specifically for that purpose. I have it in a combed top for spinning. Spun alone, it has no spring. Blended with wool, it looked like a silk/wool blend. Very pretty! If anyone would like a bit to touch/feel/try spinning, send me a SASE. Detta Juusola, Detta's Spindle 2592 Geggen-Tina Rd., Maple Plain, MN 55359 Dettas@aol.com http://www.dettasspindle.com Phone 612-479-1612 Fax 612-479-1982 Spinning, weaving, & knitting supplies - Ask for our mail order catalog "Woofspun" dog hair yarn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 11:17:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16383 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:16:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA29098; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA13386 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA13348 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990429150541.CIJZ4670.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <006901be9251$bfa63660$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Cc: "sca-garb" Subject: H-COST: funny sewing web site Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:05:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Here is a hilarious web site for sewers. If you have any "laws" to add to it put them here too! http://www.lydias.com/murphy.html Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 11:49:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16782 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA07753; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22504 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22488 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28604 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372880AB.4801DD0B@serv.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:54:20 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alter years References: <199904290946_MC2-73D7-3CFD@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I don't know their email addy but their website is: http:\\www.alteryears.com > Has anyone got an email address for Alter years ? > > Mel > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 12:59:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17600 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:59:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA20969; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA08440 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saturn.rmci.net (saturn.rmci.net [205.162.184.38]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA08398 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30980 invoked from network); 29 Apr 1999 17:05:27 -0000 Received: from usr-boi-86.rmci.net (HELO pbcustomer) (206.159.112.172) by saturn.rmci.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 17:05:27 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:08:55 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE9230.AC4D86C0.fergusmacgill@rmci.net> From: Steve Manning To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Alter years Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:00:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 20 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Steve Manning Hello The last one I have is email:c/o Anderson 72437.674@compuserve.com Linda Halley Barry -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Wilson [SMTP:MelanieWilson@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 7:46 AM To: LIST historic costume Subject: H-COST: Alter years -Poster: Melanie Wilson Has anyone got an email address for Alter years ? Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 13:09:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17701 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:09:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22340; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA09404 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA09393 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:10:26 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.194] (ppp-194.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.194]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25455 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <372880AB.4801DD0B@serv.net> References: <199904290946_MC2-73D7-3CFD@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:19:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alter years Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > >I don't know their email addy but their website is: > http:\\www.alteryears.com > >> Has anyone got an email address for Alter years ? >> >> Mel Hmmm, try slashes instead of back-slashes: http://www.alteryears.com Their e-mail address is on the web site Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 13:29:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17880 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:29:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA26094; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA13579 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA13564 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:32:08 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.194] (ppp-194.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.194]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26492 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <372880AB.4801DD0B@serv.net> <199904290946_MC2-73D7-3CFD@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:40:50 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alter years Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net Mel asked: > Has anyone got an email address for Alter years ? and i answered: >Hmmm, try slashes instead of back-slashes: >http://www.alteryears.com > >Their e-mail address is on the web site Then i got to thinking, some folks don't have web access, so here's the info from their website: Address: 3749 E. Colorado Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91107 Phone: (626) 585-2994 Fax: (626) 432-4530 Email: Store: 72437.674@compuserve.com Hope this helps Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 15:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19159 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:31:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA17907; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA17024 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA16991 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p31.directcon.net [209.77.71.130]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02405 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:31:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:31:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904292031.MAA02405@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Plastron? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson In Jean Hunnisett's Period Costumes for Stage and Screen 1800-1909, she gives a pattern for an accessory she calls a plastron, to be worn over a bodice to change the look. What she doesn't make entirely clear is, is this a real period item of clothing or is it a theatrical solution? I've seen pictures of dresses that could have them, but on the other hand it could be trim sewn on along those lines. Can anyone refer me to documentation? This is for the 1850's. It would have been better if I had thought to ask this question before I started making the dress... Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 18:27:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20932 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:27:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA16262; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA20654 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA20641 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail.telesensory.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume'" Subject: H-COST: Italian Renn Lifestyle Books (sort of OT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:22:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" Here's some information on a couple of interesting looking books forwarded to me by Amazon.com. I haven't read them, so I can say how good they are, but they looked like they could be fun reading for the Italian Renn enthusiasts out there. Enjoy! -Jill "How to Do It: Guides to Good Living for Renaissance Italians" by Rudolph M. Bell offers an insightful, frequently humorous examination of 16th-century middle-class Italian life as reflected in the abundance of advice books that circulated during the period. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226042103/ref=ad_hs1 "The Preacher's Demons: Bernardino of Siena and the Social Underworld of Early Renaissance Italy," by Franco Mormando, examines the religious and social attitudes of late-14th-century Italy through the sermons of one Franciscan friar. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226538540/ref=ad_hs1 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 18:44:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21108 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:44:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA20761; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA25410 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA25329 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (d-ma-superpop-1-26.ici.net [207.180.41.26]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA15158 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904292239.SAA15158@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Tencel and other Synthetics Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:51:43 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id SAA21108 Status: RO -Poster: Irene leNoir After reading a response to my original Tencel question which mentioned the Tencel website, I did a search to see what else I could find about it. In the process I found a wonderful site I just have to share with everyone http://www.fibersource.com/ They give extremely comprehensive information on all of the manufactured fibers. For every FTC approved generic manufactured fiber name they have a page which gives a brief definition and then goes into a highly technical explanation of the processes involved in the productin of the fiber. They also have a comprehensive table of fiber brand names and their corresponding generic names and manufacturers. Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Apr 29 20:58:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22538 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:58:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA09589; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA13797 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA13769 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:00:07 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (7810) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KLLa17021 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <781e708a.245a5a41@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Plastron? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 4/29/99 3:48:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: << is this a real period item of clothing or is it a theatrical solution? I've seen pictures of dresses that could have them, but on the other hand it could be trim sewn on along those lines. Can anyone refer me to documentation? This is for the 1850's. >> It's real. I've seen them in Godey's Ladies & Peterman's. They're usually frillier & fussier than the one in the Hunnisett. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 30 05:33:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26519 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:32:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA09888; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA15980 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA15716 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id SAA23793 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:12:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-148.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.148]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id SAA14347 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:19:32 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199904300819.SAA14347@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT Inflation calculator Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:37:28 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" On the inflation comparison front, I was at an exhibition of gold mining and related stuff a few weeks ago. One of the facts presented was that a Holden car (GM's Australian brand), released in 1947-8, was equal in value to a certain amount of gold (can't remember the value per ounce); the current Holden is worth exactly that weight. I wonder............. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 30 05:33:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26518 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:32:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA10010; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA15032 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA14731 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-41-86.stk.inreach.net [209.142.41.86]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id AAA28534 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372957AD.57D2F16F@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:11:41 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: First Meeting of the GSACG] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------093DC20A42EE501A123CB3C5" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Diana H This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------093DC20A42EE501A123CB3C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow costumers! For anybody who lives in the area in or around Sacramento, CA I have forwarded the following message. Thanks again for the use of bandwidth! Diana :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" --------------093DC20A42EE501A123CB3C5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3729570D.EF105BB8@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:09:01 -0700 From: Diana H Reply-To: dch@inreach.com Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ghillie , Stephanie Rose , Joan Jurancich , Margo Anderson , Craig Brown Subject: First Meeting of the GSACG X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone! I was thinking we should set up a meeting to possibly further our endeavor to form the Greater Sacramento Area Costumer's Guild. Someone had previously mentioned that May sounded good, so I thought we should put forth a few dates. I propose either May 10th or 17th at 7pm. Both days are mondays and I am willing to host it at my house in Roseville (a northern suburb of Sac). How do people feel about these dates? Do you have any conflicts with one or the other? I will gather responses about any conflicts and then will notify everyone about which date works the best for people. In the meantime, let's all keep in touch and I look forward to our first meeting! Diana :~> If you have any other questions, please contact me via e-mail. It is the best way to get ahold of me :~> -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" --------------093DC20A42EE501A123CB3C5-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 30 09:09:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28487 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:09:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA22977; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA17650 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA17612 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA07505 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01be930c$60592c60$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: funny sewing web site Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:21:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Sarah Toney" "Your lost needle will be found by your son, husband or brother-in-law... while walking around barefoot. " You know, my roommate and I are always sewing... and we have cats, so pins tend to travel in our house. At least once a day I hear the evil string of anger coming from my boyfriend... I'll walk through the living room a hundred times barefoot and have yet to step on a needle, but he finds them all... I think he has magnetic feet. ;-) > >-Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > >Here is a hilarious web site for sewers. If you have any "laws" to add to it >put them here too! > >http://www.lydias.com/murphy.html > >Sincerely, >F. Havas >Dallas, Texas > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Apr 30 22:59:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03841 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:59:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA20133; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA21273 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA21259 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-2.s2.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.2]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09618 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be9380$10fa7920$023daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Society of London Ladies Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:09:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I found a website that has some articles you might enjoy. It is called The Society of London Ladies newsletter, Belle Letters http://members.aol.com/LONDON20/full/belle/belle.html Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 1 15:53:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12236 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:53:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA27624; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA11138 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA11130 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5851 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 19:55:00 -0000 Received: from 40.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.40) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 1 May 1999 19:55:00 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990501130216.29cfbf28@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: H-COST: Interesting book--1925 Costume Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Joan M Jurancich While browsing the costume books, I saw this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=96738934 Here's the description: Helen Goodrich Buttrick. PRINCIPLES OF CLOTHING SELECTION. New York: Macmillan, 1925. (Copyright 1923). Hardcover. Front cover is scanned below. Size: 5 1/4 by 7 1/2in. 185 pages. A vintage textbook for high school courses in clothing & costume design. With chapters on: Principles of Design or Composition; Elements of Composition; Color & its relation to Dress; Human Figure & Clothing Design; Texture & Pattern in Relation to Dress; Hair Arrangement & Hats; Appropriate Combinations in Dress; and more! Good++ condition, with the following blemishes: very light soiling and light edge-wear on cover; surface tears on page 3 where the pages were stuck together (these tears do affect text, but text is still readable); light crease at edges of pages near back of book; pages very lightly foxed at edges; minor pencil marks on a few pages. Inside, pages are otherwise bright and undamaged, and contents are complete. A GREAT, VERY OLD clothing design book!!! Buyer pays $2.10 book-rate S&H in U.S. This isn't my time period of interest, so I won't be competing with any of you . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 1 16:51:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12797 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:51:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03080; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA16190 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA16180 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:01:29 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 18860 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 21:01:24 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-230.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.230) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 21:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <372B8AAF.451@mc.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:13:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: vintage costume References: <199904301318.HAA17660@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lynnx@mc.net Can anyone tell me the subscription address for the vintage costume list? Is it also at indra.com? Thanks Carol Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 1 16:53:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12814 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:53:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03383; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA16354 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA16347 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:03:16 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 20218 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-230.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.230) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 21:03:16 -0000 Message-ID: <372B8B1F.42FC@mc.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:15:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: "sewing laws" References: <199904301318.HAA17660@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lynnx@mc.net One of the posters to the SCA-Garb list came up with several hundred. Carol Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 2 11:58:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22427 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA24009; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04946 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04937 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25592 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kdp@tiac.net) Received: from kdp.tiac.net (kdp.tiac.net [206.119.75.41]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08391 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:08:42 GMT Message-Id: <199905021608.QAA08391@posterchild1.tiac.net> From: "John Page" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: aid, please Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:03:47 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "John Page" To everyone on the list who had a suggestion for altering my early Tudor gown, or just wished me luck with the task: MANY THANKS! In the end I didn't try to alter the gown but lifted a pattern from it and made a new one in cotton velveteen. Thanks again, Kristin Page _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 2 16:01:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24943 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:01:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA19411; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA24541 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com (arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA24535 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id QAA24738 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 16:08:55 -0400 From: Cat Devereaux Subject: H-COST: AlterYears E-mail address: Correction To: "INTERNET:h-costume@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905021610_MC2-7439-9FE8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id QAA24943 Status: RO -Poster: Cat Devereaux Hi all, Just want to update you on AlterYears e-mail address, officially. The e-mail to reach the ladies directly at the store is sales@alteryears.com. We haven't gotten the web page updated yet, but are slowing working on getting the new address out. (Yes, this address is new since the last catalog came out.) I pick up mail on the old CompuSever address for Janet a couple of times a week. I handle the questions I can, but I am not located at the store. So, all orders, stock checks and traces get forwarded on to the sales@alteryears.com address. It takes a bit longer to process them through the CompuServe address... but don't worry, they still get handled From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 2 22:47:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29079 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 22:47:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA05597; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA28690 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA28683; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:56:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear Message-Id: <199905030256.UAA28683@indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage costume Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elizabeth Lear <-Poster: lynnx@mc.net < Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29648 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 23:41:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA10834; Sun, 2 May 1999 22:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA03111 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA03099 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p27.directcon.net [209.77.71.126]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03821 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:44:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:44:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: FO, 1850's Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I just finished a new 1850's costume. I used a heavy calico printed with a small paisley print in shades of grey, black, and tan. Since I wanted a dress that could convert from everyday wear for docenting to a dressier street outfit, I cut the bodice with a round waist, not a point. the sleeves are two peice coat sleeves, fairly wide, and have a "jockey", a short cap sleeve at the top. the jockey is edged with narrow black chrocheted-looking lace, some of a 220 yard spool I got at the Salvation Army for $2. The bodice hooks up the front. The skirt is plain and untrimmed. To dress it up, I made a pointed waist plastron based on the one in Hunnisett's book, banded acros the front with strips of 1" black bias tape, pointed at the ends. the top band turns a corner and goes up over the shoulders to form a square yoke. Each band has a 1" pewter colored button at the center, with a floral filligree design. The plastron is edged with the chrocheted lace. I wore the dress with plain white voile undersleeves, a needle lace collar (part of a bag of old lace I bought for $3) fancy black lace mitts I made, and a black velvet bonnet trimmed with black tassel fringe and Venise lace on the outside, lined with green silk and with an inner wreath of white daisys and purple roses, and carried a black parasol. I wore it to an "old time costume contest" that someone was sponsoring in a nearby town. Unfortunately, I got there just as the contest was ending , but the person handing out the prizes spotted me and announce that I deserved one anyway! (probably for being one of two women there who wasn't in a remodeled prom gown). Thanks to everyone for advice and support on this project and the larger one of preparing to teach my Gold Rush Costume classes, which start in ten days. I'm beginning to start to commence to get ready to feel prepared! Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME